Netflix coming to PS3
Jim
Going to use a BD-Live enabled disc for access (you can reserve one now) at
first but at least its free unlike Xbox which requires XBL Gold.
Mitch
Sweet! I use this on my Xbox all the time.
But why do you need a physical disc?
JordanLund
> But why do you need a physical disc?
It uses the BD-Live feature of Blu-Ray to stream the videos to the
PS3.
- Jordan
Bill Cable
> Jim wrote:
> >http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/10/netflix-coming-soon-to-playsta...
> > Going to use a BD-Live enabled disc for access (you can reserve one now) at
> > first but at least its free unlike Xbox which requires XBL Gold.
>
> Sweet! I use this on my Xbox all the time.
>
> But why do you need a physical disc?
The theory is to get around an exclusivity agreement with Microsoft.
Microsoft probably paid a chunk of money for direct downloads to a
video game console, but downloads via BD-Live weren't covered.
--
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The alMIGHTY N
> On Oct 26, 4:14 pm, Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:
>
> > Jim wrote:
> > >http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/10/netflix-coming-soon-to-playsta...
> > > Going to use a BD-Live enabled disc for access (you can reserve one now) at
> > > first but at least its free unlike Xbox which requires XBL Gold.
>
> > Sweet! I use this on my Xbox all the time.
>
> > But why do you need a physical disc?
>
> The theory is to get around an exclusivity agreement with Microsoft.
> Microsoft probably paid a chunk of money for direct downloads to a
> video game console, but downloads via BD-Live weren't covered.
It's funny how creative people can get when they need to be. :-)
Well, there's one "advantage" of Xbox 360 out the window...
nevertheless, if they're going through BD-Live, which I'm sure wasn't
designed to handle streaming of entire movies, I have to think there's
some catch somewhere... reduced performance? Increased download time?
Something's gotta give somewhere...
JordanLund
> Well, there's one "advantage" of Xbox 360 out the window...
> nevertheless, if they're going through BD-Live, which I'm sure wasn't
> designed to handle streaming of entire movies, I have to think there's
> some catch somewhere... reduced performance? Increased download time?
> Something's gotta give somewhere...
I remember the BD-Live driven director commentary on Dark Knight... it
worked... kinda... and that was just text. I can't imagine trying to
do full video over it.
Gizmodo coverage of that event:
http://gizmodo.com/5114320/dark-knights-chris-nolan-event-shows-bd+live-is-not-quite-ready
- Jordan
The alMIGHTY N
Well, Netflix and Sony must have confidence in the performance of this
technology. Hopefully, it works well.
Jim
The XMB app won't appear until "late next year" so the disc is likely a way
to get around MS's exclusive deal.
RKRM
"Jim" <j...@wtf.invalid> wrote in message
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> http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/10/netflix-coming-soon-to-playstation-3
> Going to use a BD-Live enabled disc for access (you can reserve one now)
> at first but at least its free unlike Xbox which requires XBL Gold.
You have to pay for netflix which aint free and Live costs a whopping 49.99
per year which is of course $4.16 a month. BFD. And as a person with both a
360 and a PS3 I happen to know how much better Live is. Ya get what ya pay
for.
>
>
Brenden Chase
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Yeah, you get to play online when you want to.. WOW! </sarcasm off>
RKRM
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hey smartass the offerings layout and functionality of Live FAR EXCEED PSN
not even close later Captain DF
>
Mitch
>
> hey smartass the offerings layout and functionality of Live FAR EXCEED
> PSN not even close later Captain DF
Yeah, millions of people know that XBox Live is worth paying for.
Anyone who say it's not, just sour grapes.
$50..big deal. If you're any kind of gamer, you're used to paying $60 a
pop for each game. So to get a year's worth of what XBox Live offers
for $50 isn't really worth crying about.
Besides, it's not even $50 any more.
Doug Jacobs
> You have to pay for netflix which aint free and Live costs a whopping 49.99
> per year which is of course $4.16 a month. BFD. And as a person with both a
> 360 and a PS3 I happen to know how much better Live is. Ya get what ya pay
> for.
I certainly don't see getting Live Gold just for this feature. If you
already have a Gold account to play games online and already have a
Netflix account, this is a nice bonus but otherwise...
Besides which there are unauthorized plugins you can get that allow you to
stream netflix through various media centers (and the PS3 or 360) without
having to use the goofy BD-Live workaround, or spending $50 for the
privelege.
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RKRM
"Doug Jacobs" <dja...@rawbw.com> wrote in message
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I am sure. I can stream for free throuh my PC which is attached to my 92" hd
projecter or one of my 360s or one of my tivos the point i was and am making
is i am tired of PSN being touted for freeness so what? It sux comparibly
big time
Zee
> I am sure. I can stream for free throuh my PC which is attached to my
> 92" hd projecter or one of my 360s or one of my tivos the point i was
> and am making is i am tired of PSN being touted for freeness so what? It
> sux comparibly big time
But for some people it's perfectly adequate, in which case the freeness does
actually mean something. I rarely play online multiplayer games so I don't care
that PSN sux comparably. Paying for XBL would bother me in principle because I
would rarely use it (but for those rare times I would probably have to shell out
the $$ for it rather than go without).
You get what you pay for, and for some people free is good enough.
Miles Bader
> You get what you pay for, and for some people free is good enough.
Of course, you often _don't_ get what you pay for...
[I haven't even hooked up my ps3 or wii to the net... maybe someday, if
I'm bored enough to go buy a wifi router (Nintendo's cute little router
looks nice)...]
-Miles
--
Bore, n. A person who talks when you wish him to listen.
Zee
> Zee <no_...@nowhere.net> writes:
>> You get what you pay for, and for some people free is good enough.
>
> Of course, you often _don't_ get what you pay for...
True enough, but at least in the case of PSN vs. XBL it appears to be the case.
Jim
> stream netflix through various media centers (and the PS3 or 360) without
> having to use the goofy BD-Live workaround, or spending $50 for the
> privelege.
PS3 can stream HD.
Bill Cable
>
> $50..big deal. If you're any kind of gamer, you're used to paying $60 a
> pop for each game. So to get a year's worth of what XBox Live offers
> for $50 isn't really worth crying about.
And what do you say to people that complained about the Playstation3's
initial $599 price tag when anybody who bought a launch 360 has
already spent as much for the console + 4 years of Gold? Same exact
dollars, no? Are the complaints against Sony thus unwarranted?
I don't see any need to pay a subscription for on-line gaming. There
are just too many other equally good free options out there. So I
view anybody willing to shell out an extra $50 for the privilege to
use a particular network as suckers.
Brenden Chase
layout... WOW! Got me there buddy!!
But please do fill me in on the functionality... cause last I heard PS3 only
did EVERYTHING. :-P
Miles Bader
Dunno, since I've never used either.
The "drooling fanboy" tenor of the comments on this thread does tend to
make me skeptical of their claims though...
-Miles
--
"An atheist doesn't have to be someone who thinks he has a proof that
there can't be a god. He only has to be someone who believes that the
evidence on the God question is at a similar level to the evidence on
the werewolf question." [John McCarthy]
argento32
When XBL started this was very true it had PSN beat by a mile. But
lately that has been far from the case and anyone saying that XBL is
still that far ahead of PSn is full of it. I don't care how many
systems they say they have. Its fanboy BS. Right now its pretty
comparable and XBL should not be 50 a year.
Mitch
arrive tomorrow. That's going to be a nice added bonus, especially for
my wife to watch all those chick-flicks I don't want to waste Netflix
transactions on. :)
Bill Cable
I haven't really read much about this, so excuse my ignorance... but
if I have the 1-at-a-time unlimited monthly Netflix plan, can I
download extra films with this disc free of charge? If so I need to
get me one of those!
Mitch
>
> I haven't really read much about this, so excuse my ignorance... but
> if I have the 1-at-a-time unlimited monthly Netflix plan, can I
> download extra films with this disc free of charge?
If it's the same as the XBox method, yes.
I'm only on the 1-out plan as well.
If you look at your Netflix queue, some movies have a little blue "PLAY"
button. Those are movies that you can add to your instant queue and stream.
Blig Merk
to log in to your Netflix account and SEARCH, review, select, sort
your Instant Play queue with the same interface as the PC but not
having to go to a separate PC to do it. You manage your queue, then go
back to the XMB to play from your Instant Play list. This is what
really distinguishes the PS3 from every other standalone Netflix
streaming app including Roku and the various Blu-ray players and
HDTV's that have the player app built in.
The xflop 3-shitty player app has NO SEARCH. The xflop 3-shitty was
recently patched to allow for queue selection but it is only through a
very limited selection of categories with a limited number of titles
per category plus having to use it on that gawd-awful interface, with
box covers whizzing by scrolling across the screen.
Netflix has said now that the PS3 is an Instant Play platform, they
are going to expand their HD stream.
This really works out for me with my second PS3, a Slim, in the
bedroom for some casual gaming and mainly as a movie player. I can
search, select, read reviews, prioritize the play list and play the
Netflix title all on one platform.
There are now over 50,000 Instant Watch titles on Netflix
Bill Cable
watch in HD through NetFlix, if they're available. But if they're SD
I'd just as soon wait for the Blu-rays. I suppose I can always cancel
the download if it pops up in low-def, but it'd be nice to know before
starting.
Mitch
> The BIG difference is the PS3 has a Web Browser, so you can use that
> to log in to your Netflix account
Yeah, that's a good point. With the XBox you have to manage your queue
elsewhere. It will be nice to be able to do everything in one place on
the PS3.
Which reminds me, that Netflix disc is probably out in my mailbox right
now. :)
Mitch
XBox takes 10-15 seconds. Maybe it's just opening-day congestion.
RKRM
fast on XBL? Game and console updates. PSN? Forever.
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Mitch
> Or maybe XBL is/has been/will be better than PSN. You know what else
> goes fast on XBL? Game and console updates. PSN? Forever.
Glad it's not just me. My friend keeps telling me I must be "far away
from the PSN servers."
Jim
A look at the interface. XMB says the audio 128K DD. VCDs have better
audio than that.
Brenden Chase
My email said it was coming Friday... it's Saturday and still no disc. :(
Blig Merk
is obvious it is one step away from being an install to the hard
drive. I expect Netflix will allow for it to be installed to the hard
drive long before it is added to the firmware.
One thing I found out only recently is that Netflix will not stream HD
to the PC because of how easy it can be ripped. So the PC stream has
always been scaled to sub-DVD. Not so with the PS3.
Also, they only recently started HD streaming, so out of the 50,000
titles that can be streamed, only a limited selection are HD right now
but Netflix has said they will be going forward with more and more HD.
Once the PS3 player is activated (which does have to be done through a
PC browser just once), then using the PS3 Web Browser to go to your
Neflix account, a new option will show up in the Genre list -- HD.
Then all the HD titles will be displayed, over 15 pages.
The HD is not 1080p quality but it is definitely better than DVD
quality and close to 720p quality. Not only that, my Slim in the
bedroom would not handle PS3 Media Server HD streams over wireless but
this Netflix HD stream was smooth and steady over the wireless.
The difference in load times is being way overplayed. This is a guy
that has done a direct comparison and the PS3 is taking about 1 to 3
seconds longer due to the disk based player.
http://www.ps3blog.net/2009/11/06/a-time-comparison-between-360-and-ps3-netflix/
This will be completely wiped out if it gets to be installed on the
hard drive plus the huge advantage of being able to use the PS3
browser for SEARCH, adding and editing the queue and reading reviews
just like the PC interface but all on the same box. Yes, the PS3 only
does Everthing.
Brenden Chase
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I got mine Saturday.
You can browse each category for movies not on your instant queue, and
either watch them from there or add them to your queue. From what I can tell
each category has about 100 movies to it. Unfortunately from what I could
tell all the HD ones were mixed in. Did not see an option to look just at
those. However, I know someone has mentioned that you can see these from the
web now.
Also, there was someone throwing around the idea that it took 10 minutes for
the thing to start up, or start a movie. Completely false. I think it's
their internet connection or router. I'd say it took about 15 seconds or so
to start the movie I watched today.
Primer (HD) <---GREAT movie for those that like to think about what you're
watching.
The movie came through in 720p (at least my TV said so) and looked great.
Sound was only stereo though, but I'm not sure if that was just the movie,
as it's a low budget independent film. I'll have to try another and see what
I get.
Either way, it's a welcome addition to the console that does EVERYTHING.
Mitch
> Primer (HD) <---GREAT movie for those that like to think about what
> you're watching.
Yeah, I've been meaning to watch that one again so I can catch all the
"stuff."
Doug Jacobs
> The "drooling fanboy" tenor of the comments on this thread does tend to
> make me skeptical of their claims though...
I have both a 360 and PS3, and they're both connected to the internet via
the same switch, that's plugged into my router.
PSN is dirt slow compared to Live. Updates on the PS3 are torturous,
taking upwards of 40 minutes to download The 360, meanwhile, is
completely finished in a matter of minutes. Even when I downloaded the big
NXE update last year during the early evening which I assume would be a
heavy traffic period, in about 5 minutes, the update had been downloaded and
installed.
Downloading demos is also noticably slower. A 1GB demo on the 360 takes
about 40 minutes. A similarly sized demo on the PS3 takes nearly 2 or 3 times
as long. I attribute most of this horrible performance to the fact that Sony
seems to be unaware on how to properly design a network before slapping badly
written, bandwidth sucking applications like Home on it. Although, even
before Home arrived, PSN was still noticably slower.
Doug Jacobs
> The BIG difference is the PS3 has a Web Browser, so you can use that
> to log in to your Netflix account and SEARCH, review, select, sort
> your Instant Play queue with the same interface as the PC but not
> having to go to a separate PC to do it. You manage your queue, then go
> back to the XMB to play from your Instant Play list. This is what
> really distinguishes the PS3 from every other standalone Netflix
> streaming app including Roku and the various Blu-ray players and
> HDTV's that have the player app built in.
Except that the 360 will also be getting the ability to manage your Netflix
queue as part of the next big update due in a week or so, and didn't
require a "one time fee" to Netflix for the driver disc.
> Netflix has said now that the PS3 is an Instant Play platform, they
> are going to expand their HD stream.
I'd be interested to see how good this "HD Stream" is going to look on
most peoples' broadband connection. When we had the 1.5mbps service, TV
shows looked "OK" but looked like a Tivo recording done at the highest
compression rate. Movies were completely unwatchable, as the resulting
image was 320x200 which was then stretched to fill our HDTV.
Upgrading to our provider's 6mbps service, TV shows were nearly identical
to what we get from our satellite HD DVR, but movies still didn't quite
look as good as a regular DVD. I can't imagine trying to view a
compressed 720p video stream. I stream Divx to my PS3 but it uses more
than 6mbps. And somehow I doubt Netflix is streaming Divx...
Doug Jacobs
> is obvious it is one step away from being an install to the hard
> drive. I expect Netflix will allow for it to be installed to the hard
> drive long before it is added to the firmware.
That's the plan, but it won't arrive until late next year, supposedly.
> The HD is not 1080p quality but it is definitely better than DVD
> quality and close to 720p quality. Not only that, my Slim in the
> bedroom would not handle PS3 Media Server HD streams over wireless but
> this Netflix HD stream was smooth and steady over the wireless.
This makes no sense to me. I've streamed Divx at 720p from my PC to the
PS3 via its Wireless connection and it worked just fine. Which media
server are you using?
Doug Jacobs
> Or maybe XBL is/has been/will be better than PSN. You know what else goes
> fast on XBL? Game and console updates. PSN? Forever.
While PSN has always been slow for me, this shouldn't involve PSN at all,
should it? I mean, Sony wouldn't be as stupid as to force you to stream
Netflix through their network that's already straining at the
seams...would they? Would they?
Bill Cable
that took an hour. Most are 10-15 minutes tops. And I download 1Gig+
demos in about 20 minutes. What kind of connection do you have?
Maybe it's just because I'm on FiOS. But then... I was on Comcast
cable before I moved to Pittsburgh, and didn't have any problems then,
either.
GMAN
>In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 Miles Bader <mi...@gnu.org> wrote:
>> The "drooling fanboy" tenor of the comments on this thread does tend to
>> make me skeptical of their claims though...
>
>I have both a 360 and PS3, and they're both connected to the internet via
>the same switch, that's plugged into my router.
>
then router?
>PSN is dirt slow compared to Live. Updates on the PS3 are torturous,
>taking upwards of 40 minutes to download The 360, meanwhile, is
i havent had it take 40 minutes to download a update since i was on dialup. I
have 7MB comcast and it takes less than 6 minutes via WiFi-G to do an update.
Mitch
>
> Downloading demos is also noticably slower.
Not to mention even after you download a large demo or game to the PS3,
it might take another 10 minutes to unpack it!
Doug Jacobs
> I've had a PS3 since launch, and I can only recall one update ever
> that took an hour. Most are 10-15 minutes tops. And I download 1Gig+
> demos in about 20 minutes. What kind of connection do you have?
> Maybe it's just because I'm on FiOS. But then... I was on Comcast
> cable before I moved to Pittsburgh, and didn't have any problems then,
> either.
I was at 1.5mbps DSL, now at 6mbps. No difference. The last update on
the PS3 to 3.0.1 took about an hour to complete (download, unpack,
install, and all those reboots)
I'm near San Francisco. Surely Sony has redunant server farms like any
other respectable network provider, yes? I mean, heck, there's tons of
huge datacenters in SF and points south throughout the Silicon Valley. I
should be getting pretty decent speed, but from what I'm seeing, the PS3
isn't even coming close to saturating 1.5mbps, much less 6.
Doug Jacobs
> What connection speed are you at? Are you wireless or direct to the switch,
> then router?
PS3 and 360 are wired to the switch. Switch is wired to the router. My
internet connection was 1.5mbps, but I recentaly upgrade to 6.0. It
didn't make a difference to the PS3. PS3 is still not even coming close
to 1.5mbps, much less 6. 1GB demo took just over 2 hours on an otherwise
lightly loaded 6mbps downstream connection with the PS3. With the 360, it
took about 40 minutes.
Now, I haven't tried to pick apart the PS3's net traffic to determine
where it's actually going. I know the Microsoft has servers in different
physical locations, with dedicated highspeed connections between them.
However I don't know how PSN is setup. Please tell me Sony at least knows
about redundant servers, so that you don't have West Coast folks like me
going across to the East Coast all the time, even for something as simple
as a firmware update...
> i havent had it take 40 minutes to download a update since i was on dialup. I
> have 7MB comcast and it takes less than 6 minutes via WiFi-G to do an update.
So long as you have a solid wireless connection, 802.11G is still going to
be way faster than your internet connection.
Which is why I'm confused. 100mbps ethernet is way faster than any
internet connection I have.
Doug Jacobs
Very true, but that's not my network's, or PSN's fault ;)
Definitely slower to unpack and install stuff than the 360.
Brenden Chase
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Use the browser on the PS3 to go to www.speedtest.net and see what you got.
I cannot say I've had major issues with downloads or firmware updates. What
I have had issues with is beta downloads, but usually only when it first
becomes available, and thousands of people are trying to download it at the
same time.
Brenden Chase
"Doug Jacobs" <dja...@rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 Blig Merk <blig...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> The BIG difference is the PS3 has a Web Browser, so you can use that
>> to log in to your Netflix account and SEARCH, review, select, sort
>> your Instant Play queue with the same interface as the PC but not
>> having to go to a separate PC to do it. You manage your queue, then go
>> back to the XMB to play from your Instant Play list. This is what
>> really distinguishes the PS3 from every other standalone Netflix
>> streaming app including Roku and the various Blu-ray players and
>> HDTV's that have the player app built in.
>
> Except that the 360 will also be getting the ability to manage your
> Netflix
> queue as part of the next big update due in a week or so, and didn't
> require a "one time fee" to Netflix for the driver disc.
Who paid a 'one time fee'?
And just to clarify, you can still manage the queue in the Netflix app on
the PS3. You're just limited to 100 movies per category. While browsing
those categories you can add movies to your queue or just watch them right
then and there. You can still review and select, but searching from what I
can tell requires the website.
>
>> Netflix has said now that the PS3 is an Instant Play platform, they
>> are going to expand their HD stream.
>
> I'd be interested to see how good this "HD Stream" is going to look on
> most peoples' broadband connection. When we had the 1.5mbps service, TV
> shows looked "OK" but looked like a Tivo recording done at the highest
> compression rate. Movies were completely unwatchable, as the resulting
> image was 320x200 which was then stretched to fill our HDTV.
>
> Upgrading to our provider's 6mbps service, TV shows were nearly identical
> to what we get from our satellite HD DVR, but movies still didn't quite
> look as good as a regular DVD. I can't imagine trying to view a
> compressed 720p video stream. I stream Divx to my PS3 but it uses more
> than 6mbps. And somehow I doubt Netflix is streaming Divx...
>
I had no issues watching Primer at 720p this past Sunday. I'm considering
going to watch a movie right now, as I'm kind of bored and stuck at the end
of Uncharted 2 on hard. Anyone want to suggest a movie for instant play?
Brenden Chase
I'd assume that it's probably a buffering/memory issue if not the fault of
the PC itself.
Brenden Chase
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Well.. no longer stuck at the end of Uncharted 2. LOL. Oddly enough I beat
the end boss on the first try after letting it sit for about 2 weeks. :)
GMAN
minutes to do that upgrade.
alMIGHTY
> I've had a PS3 since launch, and I can only recall one update ever
> that took an hour. Most are 10-15 minutes tops. And I download 1Gig+
> demos in about 20 minutes. What kind of connection do you have?
> Maybe it's just because I'm on FiOS. But then... I was on Comcast
> cable before I moved to Pittsburgh, and didn't have any problems then,
> either.
There are a lot of factors at play here. One big factor is the fact
that Xbox Live has a much more robust network with more actual servers
located in more physical locations. Speeds will be noticeably higher
for people located closer to the closest server on a particular
network.
Consider that there's a noticeable difference in download time for a
20KB JavaScript library file. Multiply that by, say, a thousand times
for a 20MB system update.
The difference in download times between Xbox Live and PlayStation
Network is especially apparent in Manhattan. A few of my friends live
here and constantly complain about how slow downloads off PSN are when
compared to downloads off XBL.
On the other hand, I find the difference negligible in suburban New
Jersey.
alMIGHTY
That's because the Xbox 360 doesn't unpack or install anything except
when you do a system update that requires you to reboot the console.
Even then, it's not unpacking anything - it's just updating the files
as they exist on the console.
It was actually very prudent of Sony to take this route since they
knew ahead of time their network would never be as robust as
Microsoft's.
alMIGHTY
> On Nov 5, 12:46 pm, Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:
>
> > Just got my notification from Netflix that the streaming disc will
> > arrive tomorrow. That's going to be a nice added bonus, especially for
> > my wife to watch all those chick-flicks I don't want to waste Netflix
> > transactions on. :)
>
> if I have the 1-at-a-time unlimited monthly Netflix plan, can I
> download extra films with this disc free of charge? If so I need to
> get me one of those!
The ability to watch streaming movies is a bonus feature. The plan
limits apply only to the physical discs they send to you.
alMIGHTY
> The BIG difference is the PS3 has a Web Browser, so you can use that
> to log in to your Netflix account and SEARCH, review, select, sort
> your Instant Play queue with the same interface as the PC but not
> having to go to a separate PC to do it. You manage your queue, then go
> back to the XMB to play from your Instant Play list. This is what
> really distinguishes the PS3 from every other standalone Netflix
> streaming app including Roku and the various Blu-ray players and
> HDTV's that have the player app built in.
>
> recently patched to allow for queue selection but it is only through a
> very limited selection of categories with a limited number of titles
> per category plus having to use it on that gawd-awful interface, with
> box covers whizzing by scrolling across the screen.
>
> Netflix has said now that the PS3 is an Instant Play platform, they
> are going to expand their HD stream.
>
> bedroom for some casual gaming and mainly as a movie player. I can
> search, select, read reviews, prioritize the play list and play the
> Netflix title all on one platform.
>
> There are now over 50,000 Instant Watch titles on Netflix
I never thought I'd say it but I agree with you, at least partially.
The Netflix feature is quite obviously a tacked on feature - it's only
rudimentarily integrated into Xbox Live. Then again, it's the same way
with the PlayStation 3. The only difference is that, as you pointed
out, the PlayStation 3 comes with a web browser.
The problem, though, is that the web browser on the PlayStation 3
blows and 99% of people don't have a keyboard attached to their
console. For most people, it will actually be easier to use their PC
to manage their queue.
I think it's good that the option is there. I just don't think it's as
much of a bragging point as you make it out to be.
> On Nov 5, 12:51 pm, Mitch <Mitch@...> wrote:
>
> > Bill Cable wrote:
>
> > > I haven't really read much about this, so excuse my ignorance... but
> > > if I have the 1-at-a-time unlimited monthly Netflix plan, can I
> > > download extra films with this disc free of charge?
>
> > If it's the same as the XBox method, yes.
> > I'm only on the 1-out plan as well.
>
> > If you look at your Netflix queue, some movies have a little blue "PLAY"
> > button. Those are movies that you can add to your instant queue and stream.
alMIGHTY
That is certainly a possible culprit. Microsoft's network is
exponentially more robust.
alMIGHTY
wrote:
You seem to have caught Blig's severe case of exaggeritis. Otherwise,
I'll have to go and pick up a new PS3 since I have a broken door
that's definitely not fixing itself.
alMIGHTY
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 Blig Merk <blig_m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The BIG difference is the PS3 has a Web Browser, so you can use that
> > to log in to your Netflix account and SEARCH, review, select, sort
> > your Instant Play queue with the same interface as the PC but not
> > having to go to a separate PC to do it. You manage your queue, then go
> > back to the XMB to play from your Instant Play list. This is what
> > really distinguishes the PS3 from every other standalone Netflix
> > streaming app including Roku and the various Blu-ray players and
> > HDTV's that have the player app built in.
>
> Except that the 360 will also be getting the ability to manage your Netflix
> queue as part of the next big update due in a week or so, and didn't
> require a "one time fee" to Netflix for the driver disc.
Just a once per year fee for XBL Gold. ;-)
> > Netflix has said now that the PS3 is an Instant Play platform, they
> > are going to expand their HD stream.
>
> I'd be interested to see how good this "HD Stream" is going to look on
> most peoples' broadband connection. When we had the 1.5mbps service, TV
> shows looked "OK" but looked like a Tivo recording done at the highest
> compression rate. Movies were completely unwatchable, as the resulting
> image was 320x200 which was then stretched to fill our HDTV.
>
> Upgrading to our provider's 6mbps service, TV shows were nearly identical
> to what we get from our satellite HD DVR, but movies still didn't quite
> look as good as a regular DVD. I can't imagine trying to view a
> compressed 720p video stream. I stream Divx to my PS3 but it uses more
> than 6mbps. And somehow I doubt Netflix is streaming Divx...
I recall reading a minimum speed requirement for HD streaming on any
of the platforms. There's no way you're getting 720p through a 1.5Mbps
connection.
The point of *streaming* technology is to serve up a version of the
content that is most appropriate for the detected speed of a
connection.
Progressive download is the way to go when you want content to be a
specific quality regardless of the connection speed but you're out of
luck on controlling playback in that case.
Bill Cable
>
> The problem, though, is that the web browser on the PlayStation 3
> blows and 99% of people don't have a keyboard attached to their
> console. For most people, it will actually be easier to use their PC
> to manage their queue.
Man... I love my Bluetooth keyboard. Best $30 I spent on Black Friday
last year.
Ken
> http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/10/netflix-coming-soon-to-playstation-3
> Going to use a BD-Live enabled disc for access (you can reserve one now) at
> first but at least its free unlike Xbox which requires XBL Gold.
>
>
Just thinking about starting Netflix.
Does the Netflix account require the Blue Ray premium to stream HD?
Thanks
Brenden Chase
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My middle finger salutes you sir for even daring to bring that nonsense into
this conversation and comparing me to that idiot.
Please explain to me at which point I exaggerated.
Jim
> Just thinking about starting Netflix.
>
> Does the Netflix account require the Blue Ray premium to stream HD?
No
Doug Jacobs
>> Except that the 360 will also be getting the ability to manage your Netflix
>> queue as part of the next big update due in a week or so, and didn't
>> require a "one time fee" to Netflix for the driver disc.
>
> Just a once per year fee for XBL Gold. ;-)
I thought I read that the PS3 service cost $9.95 to setup or something?
Yeah, yeah, you have to be a Gold member on the 360... I definitely would
not reccomend getting a Gold membership JUST so you can stream movies.
You can get a dedicated set-top streamer box for just over $100 and get a
Netflix plug-in for your PC's media server to redirect the Netflix stream
to your set-top box.
> I recall reading a minimum speed requirement for HD streaming on any
> of the platforms. There's no way you're getting 720p through a 1.5Mbps
> connection.
>
> The point of *streaming* technology is to serve up a version of the
> content that is most appropriate for the detected speed of a
> connection.
I know that it's supposed to detect your bandwidth and tailor the stream
appropriately. However that's my point. At 1.5mbps, movies are basically
unwatchable. At 6.0mbps, movies look OK, but don't even come close to
un-upscaled DVD. So I have no idea how Netflix intends to do 720p
streaming when I doubt most folks in the US have the bandwidth for that.
Brenden Chase
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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 alMIGHTY <nathani...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> Except that the 360 will also be getting the ability to manage your
>>> Netflix
>>> queue as part of the next big update due in a week or so, and didn't
>>> require a "one time fee" to Netflix for the driver disc.
>>
>> Just a once per year fee for XBL Gold. ;-)
>
> I thought I read that the PS3 service cost $9.95 to setup or something?
>
No. I signed up for the disc. They sent me the disc. Free.
> Yeah, yeah, you have to be a Gold member on the 360... I definitely would
> not reccomend getting a Gold membership JUST so you can stream movies.
> You can get a dedicated set-top streamer box for just over $100 and get a
> Netflix plug-in for your PC's media server to redirect the Netflix stream
> to your set-top box.
>
>> I recall reading a minimum speed requirement for HD streaming on any
>> of the platforms. There's no way you're getting 720p through a 1.5Mbps
>> connection.
>>
>> The point of *streaming* technology is to serve up a version of the
>> content that is most appropriate for the detected speed of a
>> connection.
>
> I know that it's supposed to detect your bandwidth and tailor the stream
> appropriately. However that's my point. At 1.5mbps, movies are basically
> unwatchable. At 6.0mbps, movies look OK, but don't even come close to
> un-upscaled DVD. So I have no idea how Netflix intends to do 720p
> streaming when I doubt most folks in the US have the bandwidth for that.
>
I've got the 20Mb service from Cox, so I'd say I'm ok. Tested my bandwidth
with www.speedtest.net from the east coast to the west coast and was getting
7+Mbps. I'd say I'm definitely ok. :)
Bill Cable
I gave the service a spin last night... watched "Primer." Quality
flick... I enjoyed it. Solid sci-fi. The movie played very quickly
and never had any interruptions. It's a low-budget indie, so not
exactly the best thing to judge image quality. I'm not even certain
it was HD. I have a few others queued up that'll be a better test of
that.
But as far as the service goes, it's super-easy to use. No hassles at
all. You get a list of everything in your instant view queue and just
hit play. I've never used streaming on my PC because I don't want to
watch stuff on my PC. Now that it's on my PS3 I can see using this
all the time. What I loved is you can use your Blu-ray remote to
control the movie. It was obvious "this should work" but I still was
happy it worked.
Great addition to the PS3's arsenal!
Brenden Chase
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> Yeah, it's 100% free if you already have Netflix.
>
But that goes without saying, no? You're going to need Netflix no matter
what platform you're streaming to.
> I gave the service a spin last night... watched "Primer." Quality
> flick... I enjoyed it. Solid sci-fi. The movie played very quickly
> and never had any interruptions. It's a low-budget indie, so not
> exactly the best thing to judge image quality. I'm not even certain
> it was HD. I have a few others queued up that'll be a better test of
> that.
>
I agree. I'm looking forward to a movie that has all the fixings. What's on
your queue?
> But as far as the service goes, it's super-easy to use. No hassles at
> all. You get a list of everything in your instant view queue and just
> hit play. I've never used streaming on my PC because I don't want to
> watch stuff on my PC. Now that it's on my PS3 I can see using this
> all the time. What I loved is you can use your Blu-ray remote to
> control the movie. It was obvious "this should work" but I still was
> happy it worked.
I just have to remember that when I plan to watch a movie I need to pick up
the blu-ray remote instead of the PS3 controller. I always forget that one.
>
> Great addition to the PS3's arsenal!
>
Like I said before, Add it to the list for the console that does EVERYTHING.
The alMIGHTY N
wrote:
> "alMIGHTY" <nathaniel.k....@gmail.com> wrote in message
I was speaking specifically to your last sentence. When I responded, I
had never seen the PlayStation 3 commercials with the "it only does
everything" slogan. Maybe I should have caught on when I read two
posts by two completely different people in the same day that used
that phrase.
The alMIGHTY N
> On Nov 11, 3:33 pm, alMIGHTY <nathaniel.k....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The problem, though, is that the web browser on the PlayStation 3
> > blows and 99% of people don't have a keyboard attached to their
> > console. For most people, it will actually be easier to use their PC
> > to manage their queue.
>
> Man... I love my Bluetooth keyboard. Best $30 I spent on Black Friday
> last year.
It's not necessarily a sensible purchase. If you have a need for a
wireless keyboard solution outside of PlayStation 3 usage, you likely
already have one... and likely it's not a Bluetooth device.
Even $30 is a lot to pay to be able to browse the web on a crappy web
browser on a television with significantly less clarity than a
computer monitor.
Bill Cable
> It's not necessarily a sensible purchase. If you have a need for a
> wireless keyboard solution outside of PlayStation 3 usage, you likely
> already have one... and likely it's not a Bluetooth device.
>
> Even $30 is a lot to pay to be able to browse the web on a crappy web
> browser on a television with significantly less clarity than a
> computer monitor.
I mostly like it for punching in codes and typing up messages to
friends. I also used it a lot when creating stuff in LBP. It was a
luxury purchase, and even though I haven't used it a ton when I do
need it it's fantastic.
Bill Cable
wrote:
>
> I agree. I'm looking forward to a movie that has all the fixings. What's on
> your queue?
It's all stuff that I can't get on Blu-ray, for now. I got "Oldboy"
on Blu-ray through Netflix a few weeks back and absolutely loved it,
so I added the other two "Vengeance Trilogy" movies. Some odd-ball
horror movies. A couple animes. I also added "Miller's Crossing"
which I saw AGES ago and wanted to see again. It's great just having
access to so many films I'd never find at Blockbuster and certainly
wouldn't pay to buy.
Miles Bader
> Even $30 is a lot to pay to be able to browse the web on a crappy web
> browser on a television with significantly less clarity than a
> computer monitor.
Especially if you're like me and have a small SD TV of mediocre
quality... Oo
[I have a lot of problems with game subtitles that use an extremely
small, basically unreadable, font, apparently with the assumption that
everybody plays on large HDTVs...]
-Miles
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The alMIGHTY N
> On Nov 17, 11:48 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > It's not necessarily a sensible purchase. If you have a need for a
> > wireless keyboard solution outside of PlayStation 3 usage, you likely
> > already have one... and likely it's not a Bluetooth device.
>
> > Even $30 is a lot to pay to be able to browse the web on a crappy web
> > browser on a television with significantly less clarity than a
> > computer monitor.
>
> I mostly like it for punching in codes and typing up messages to
> friends. I also used it a lot when creating stuff in LBP. It was a
> luxury purchase, and even though I haven't used it a ton when I do
> need it it's fantastic.
Fair enough. I certainly can see where that would be useful if you
happened to have a Bluetooth keyboard handy.
Fraser Johnston
"The alMIGHTY N" <natl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I wouldn't say that. My ps3 is running 1920 x 1080 on my plasma and looks way
better than 1024 x 768.
Fraser
noe
> http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/10/netflix-coming-soon-to-
playstation-3
> Going to use a BD-Live enabled disc for access (you can reserve one
now) at
> first but at least its free unlike Xbox which requires XBL Gold.
>
> hi my name is noel
> i am interested in communicating with you about netflix on playstation
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