The GameFan Article in Question: Here it is!
Erin A Fritz
Gamefan, September issue, Page 115------------------------------------
This is the all mighty ace Combat. It will likely take the dubious honor
of most kick assest game that ever was (for a SIM) It has all the usual
components, speed, control, lots of lethal jets and a bitch load of air to
air missles. If you don't jerk you head around the first time you play this
game you had you hadbetter check your pulse. as far as originality and the
latter you will be a little miss laid and the intro will only make you say
"yeah that is going to be the game on the Ultra 64". But other than the oe
the game on the ultra 64". But other than the obvious flaws in the tiny
texture mapped terrors of the sky the game really rocks. Th e sound track
don't suck neither, wow! bonus shit or what I mean what the hell do those
guys at Namco smoke anyway. (wish I had some) I think those little jap
bastards love to freak, no I take that back I know those little jap bastards
love to freak on military Sims and that's cooly this game you hed better
check your pulse. as far as originality and the latter you will be a little
miss laid and the intor will only make you say "yeah that is going to be the
game on the utlra 64". But other than the obvious flaws in the tiny texture
mapped teerros of the sky the game really rocks. The sound track don't suck
neither, wow! bonus shit or what I mean what the hell do those guys at
Namco smoke anyway. (wish i had some) I think those little jap bastards
love to freak, no i take that back I know those little jap bastards love to
freak on military Sims and that's cool if your a littl jap bastard but i am
not. Us poor white trash from So CA will just have to play it for what it
is.. a video game and nothing else a little miss laid and the intro will
only make you say "yeah that is going to be the game on the ultra 64". But
other than the obvious flaws in the tiny texture mapped terrors of the sky
the game
- Cal Cavalier
End article------------------------------
I checked and double checked my typing so yes that is REALLY how it was
written. Very messed up. It was also in an article in the sports section
which should have had a review for College Football USA 96, by EA. There
was a blurb above it and two reviews of the game to the side which were
pertaining to the football game.
What ever the "excuse" they have I don't want to hear it. The only adult
course of action they CAN take now would be to publically apologize, admit
the wrongness of the article and bigotry, and explain the course of action
they have taken to correct this to prevent future happenings.
I don't need excuses. I especially don't want to hear why it happened
because like I said the damage is done. For this type of article to even be
on their computers or on their " minds" in the first place IS the real
problem. That it got to print only opens our eyes to their true beliefs.
I think Game Fan has gotten just a little to high and mighty. Too bad for
them they didn't remain the humble, accurate, and great magazine they once
were.
Erin
--
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email: fr...@iastate.edu
"We've got 200 woody-inducing titles to play on it." 3DO
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Shayne Judkins
I guess you read their public explanation/apology huh? Oh, I forgot, "You
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Wayne Magor
fr...@iastate.edu (Erin A Fritz) writes:
>Gamefan, September issue, Page 115------------------------------------
>
>The sound track don't suck
>neither, wow! bonus shit or what I mean what the hell do those guys at
>Namco smoke anyway. (wish i had some) I think those little jap bastards
>love to freak, no i take that back I know those little jap bastards love to
>freak on military Sims and that's cool if your a littl jap bastard but i am
>not.
Definitely reads like Game Fan's typical writing style (uneducated 12 year-
old boy authors). In fact, ALL the magazines produced by this publisher
are just like this.
Perhaps this incident will cause the crumbling of the kiddy fanzines.
Wayne.
Chris Curry
<stuff deleted>
Wow! I didnt' realize it was THIS bad.
DHGF's fault or not, I think I'd better find this issue and add it to
my collection...
As tribute to where a mag messed up BIG TIME, for DHGF it might even be worth
the 6$...
Chris C
+--------------------------------------------------+
Good taste depends on how many people you can
find willing to agree with you.
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Erin Catto
> Ok guys, Here it is verbatim:
>
> Gamefan, September issue, Page 115------------------------------------
[censor]
> - Cal Cavalier
> End article------------------------------
>
[edit]
>
> What ever the "excuse" they have I don't want to hear it. The only adult
> course of action they CAN take now would be to publically apologize, admit
> the wrongness of the article and bigotry, and explain the course of action
> they have taken to correct this to prevent future happenings.
>
> I don't need excuses. I especially don't want to hear why it happened
> because like I said the damage is done. For this type of article to even be
> on their computers or on their " minds" in the first place IS the real
> problem. That it got to print only opens our eyes to their true beliefs.
>
> I think Game Fan has gotten just a little to high and mighty. Too bad for
> them they didn't remain the humble, accurate, and great magazine they once
> were.
>
> Erin
>
> --
> Erin A. Fritz
> email: fr...@iastate.edu
>
I hope you'll be there to tell us when its okay to read DHGF again.
Thanks,
Erin Catto
ec...@cornell.edu
Roger Huebner
: I guess you read their public explanation/apology huh? Oh, I forgot, "You
: don't want to hear it".
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: Shayne Judkins Senior Programmer/Analyst sjud...@trendar.com
: Trendar voice (615) 367-1000
: Nashville, Tn 37217 My opinions are my own fax (615) 367-1946
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------
I haven't read it either. Where can I find it?
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Quentin Mohos
>I guess you read their public explanation/apology huh? Oh, I forgot, "You
>don't want to hear it".
You mean their public passing of the buck...
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The "Q" stands for Quality.
Shayne Judkins
Well, certainly you nor I can prove or disprove their statement. I just
don't understand why you think they would flat-out lie? It seems that
most everyone else here agrees with you. I just don't understand the
mentality. I guess it is "The American Way". Everyone is always somehow a
victim. Ever wonder why there are SO many lawyers?
James Mohr
(Wayne Magor) writes:
>From: wem...@fmsa.cca.rockwell.com (Wayne Magor)
>Subject: Re: The GameFan Article in Question: Here it is!
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 15:02:22 GMT
>fr...@iastate.edu (Erin A Fritz) writes:
>>Gamefan, September issue, Page 115------------------------------------
>>
>>The sound track don't suck
>>neither, wow! bonus shit or what I mean what the hell do those guys at
>>Namco smoke anyway. (wish i had some) I think those little jap bastards
>>love to freak, no i take that back I know those little jap bastards love to
>>freak on military Sims and that's cool if your a littl jap bastard but i am
>>not.
>Definitely reads like Game Fan's typical writing style (uneducated 12 year-
>old boy authors). In fact, ALL the magazines produced by this publisher
>are just like this.
>Perhaps this incident will cause the crumbling of the kiddy fanzines.
I don't understand why everybody complains about the writing style in
DHGF. They write *better* than most Americans (according to my experience
with this subject). I bet most of the people here that complain about the
writing in the magazine can't write half as well. At least what the Game Fan
writers write makes sense, unlike 50% of the usenet posts I read, and that's all that
matters. As long as you understand what they are trying to say, who cares?
Most of the people that buy game magazines are kids anyway, so why make it
boring for them to read? Video games aren't a "serious" subject in the first
place, so why can't people make a "fun" magazine without having people waste
bandwidth about how they think mags purchased primarily by kids should cater
to "intellectually experienced" people? Sorry about ranting there, but it's just that it
makes to sense to complain about something that doesn't matter in the first place. It
should be fine as long as you understand what they are saying.
--James
UH TWO
figured out they were geared towards a much younger audience( and NG came
out). We as a community have to demand better than that.
Udell Holmes
Spicer Engineering
Saginaw, MI
Flynn
The internet, and these newsgroups in particular, are only a magnified
version of the general populace. Anything bad here becomes fruit of the
devil, and anything good because sent from the heavens. There is no gray
area here on the net. Enthusiast gamers, and in particular the ones on
the internet, seem to feel that the entire world looks to them for the
true and final word on any video game related subject. Perhaps it's the
kind of culture that's been developed on here... one that has become so
central that the people who are on it forget that they are part of a
larger picture, and begin to believe that they are the center of the
gaming universe.
At any rate, the outcry among gamers HERE is many times over magnified
from the general video game public. To the casual reader, all that will
be necessary is an editorial apology for an editing mistake, and that
will be that... the general public is far more forgiving than the intense
scrutiny with which net gamers view virtually EVERYTHING that enters their
sacred hobby. The article, as far as I'm concerned, LOOKED like a
mistake. It was pasted over and over into the columns, and it certainly
does not look intentional. Certainly I don't condone the comments made,
but I think that is for the writer of those comments to live with,
whoever that might be. Beyond that, it was certainly also the
responsiblity of the editing staff to make sure something like that
didn't sneak in. But to issue a press release blaming it on sabateurs?
Well, personally I find that a little offensive to my own intelligence.
But I'll tell you what, to the majority of the GameFan readership, it
won't make much difference at all. They like the pictures. :)
-Flynn
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RobNHL
Mohr) writes:
>At least what the Game Fan writers write makes sense, unlike 50% of the
usenet >posts I read, and that's all that matters. As long as you
understand what they are >trying to say, who cares?
I care, for one. I'm neither a child nor illiterate. I buy DHGF, and I
expect to be able to read professionally written articles. Game Fan
should produce as high a quality publication as their deadlines allow.
Maybe they do, but I don't think so. As a journalism student at the
University of Florida, I can attest that most first-year journalism
students could produce higher quality work. True, GF does have the best
information and one can generally get the gist of their articles, but
there is something to be said for taking journalistic pride in their work.
My two cents.
Rob
Eric M. Ammon
Well Erin it definitely looks like we should take a pill. I do
remember a little document called the fr pardon my computer... the
first ammendment. If what you had read infuriated you so much then
why did you continue to read it?
You control your own destiny... don't complain about the way others
are taking theirs.
: I checked and double checked my typing so yes that is REALLY how it was
: written. Very messed up. It was also in an article in the sports section
: which should have had a review for College Football USA 96, by EA. There
: was a blurb above it and two reviews of the game to the side which were
: pertaining to the football game.
: What ever the "excuse" they have I don't want to hear it. The only adult
: course of action they CAN take now would be to publically apologize, admit
: the wrongness of the article and bigotry, and explain the course of action
: they have taken to correct this to prevent future happenings.
: I don't need excuses. I especially don't want to hear why it happened
: because like I said the damage is done. For this type of article to even be
: on their computers or on their " minds" in the first place IS the real
: problem. That it got to print only opens our eyes to their true beliefs.
: I think Game Fan has gotten just a little to high and mighty. Too bad for
: them they didn't remain the humble, accurate, and great magazine they once
: were.
: Erin
: --
: Erin A. Fritz
: email: fr...@iastate.edu
: "We've got 200 woody-inducing titles to play on it." 3DO
: ____DISCLAIMER______________________________________________________
: |The opinions expressed above are mine and in no way represent those|
: |of my employer, my school, my country, my wife, my political party,|
: |myself, or my cat. |
: |___________________________________________________________________|
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But it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
Shayne Judkins
I agree, you are dead-on. The only thing I don't agree with is that they
are lying. I personally don't have any reason to doubt them. I am
open-minded about it though. I think it is "possible" they are lying. I
just believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty. If proven guilty though, I
will be right there to "throw the switch"! Let me ask you one question,
though "Why would anyone buy DHGF for any other reason?" (besides
pictures).
David C Satterlee
: Ok guys, Here it is verbatim:
: Gamefan, September issue, Page 115------------------------------------
: This is the all mighty ace Combat. It will likely take the dubious honor
: of most kick assest game that ever was (for a SIM) It has all the usual
: components, speed, control, lots of lethal jets and a bitch load of air to
: air missles. If you don't jerk you head around the first time you play this
: game you had you hadbetter check your pulse. as far as originality and the
: latter you will be a little miss laid and the intro will only make you say
: "yeah that is going to be the game on the Ultra 64". But other than the oe
: the game on the ultra 64". But other than the obvious flaws in the tiny
: texture mapped terrors of the sky the game really rocks. Th e sound track
: don't suck neither, wow! bonus shit or what I mean what the hell do those
: guys at Namco smoke anyway. (wish I had some) I think those little jap
: bastards love to freak, no I take that back I know those little jap bastards
: love to freak on military Sims and that's cooly this game you hed better
: check your pulse. as far as originality and the latter you will be a little
: miss laid and the intor will only make you say "yeah that is going to be the
: game on the utlra 64". But other than the obvious flaws in the tiny texture
: mapped teerros of the sky the game really rocks. The sound track don't suck
: neither, wow! bonus shit or what I mean what the hell do those guys at
: Namco smoke anyway. (wish i had some) I think those little jap bastards
: love to freak, no i take that back I know those little jap bastards love to
: freak on military Sims and that's cool if your a littl jap bastard but i am
: not. Us poor white trash from So CA will just have to play it for what it
: is.. a video game and nothing else a little miss laid and the intro will
: only make you say "yeah that is going to be the game on the ultra 64". But
: other than the obvious flaws in the tiny texture mapped terrors of the sky
: the game
: - Cal Cavalier
: End article------------------------------
: I checked and double checked my typing so yes that is REALLY how it was
: written. Very messed up. It was also in an article in the sports section
: which should have had a review for College Football USA 96, by EA. There
: was a blurb above it and two reviews of the game to the side which were
: pertaining to the football game.
: What ever the "excuse" they have I don't want to hear it. The only adult
: course of action they CAN take now would be to publically apologize, admit
: the wrongness of the article and bigotry, and explain the course of action
: they have taken to correct this to prevent future happenings.
: I don't need excuses. I especially don't want to hear why it happened
: because like I said the damage is done. For this type of article to even be
: on their computers or on their " minds" in the first place IS the real
: problem. That it got to print only opens our eyes to their true beliefs.
>>> I'm sorry, but this grouping of all of DHGF as if they were one person
>>> and punishing them all for something that is still unclear to all, is
>>> just as insulting as the article in question. What the hell do you
>>> mean, "their true beliefs", thats a bunch of crap. You people are
>>> hanging these guys before they've even plead thier case. I think
>>> there is no question the thing was rude and insulting, but I can't
>>> believe the feeding frenzy going on.
: I think Game Fan has gotten just a little to high and mighty. Too bad for
: them they didn't remain the humble, accurate, and great magazine they once
: were.
: Erin
: --
: Erin A. Fritz
: email: fr...@iastate.edu
: "We've got 200 woody-inducing titles to play on it." 3DO
: ____DISCLAIMER______________________________________________________
: |The opinions expressed above are mine and in no way represent those|
: |of my employer, my school, my country, my wife, my political party,|
: |myself, or my cat. |
: |___________________________________________________________________|
--
Dave Satterlee
satt...@acsu.buffalo.edu
"Even the frenzied cavorting of schmoo?"
Yes, Anything...
Steven W. Slater
to say, how can anyone question whether this was industry sabotage or
not? Obviously these guys revere Japanese culture and video games.
I think that the quality of screenshots really does make up for the
bad writing. But if i hear about games full of joy again I may puke.
It was probably those losers at Game Player. That mag STINKS.
Literally....down to the cheap paper it's printed on. Those glamor
boys should go back to just playing games.
long as you
> >understand what they are >trying to say, who cares?
>
> >I care, for one. I'm neither a child nor illiterate. I buy DHGF, and I
Erin Fritz
Did you mean something else when you said don't read it?
Erin
Vega Bros.
>
>I second that emotion. i stopped reading DHGF a long time ago, when I
>figured out they were geared towards a much younger audience( and NG
came
>out). We as a community have to demand better than that.
**NG is probably one of the best.
Adrian Garay
>Well Erin it definitely looks like we should take a pill. I do
>remember a little document called the fr pardon my computer... the
>first ammendment. If what you had read infuriated you so much then
>why did you continue to read it?
>You control your own destiny... don't complain about the way others
>are taking theirs.
>: I checked and double checked my typing so yes that is REALLY how it was
>: written. Very messed up. It was also in an article in the sports section
>: which should have had a review for College Football USA 96, by EA. There
>: was a blurb above it and two reviews of the game to the side which were
>: pertaining to the football game.
>: What ever the "excuse" they have I don't want to hear it. The only adult
>: course of action they CAN take now would be to publically apologize, admit
>: the wrongness of the article and bigotry, and explain the course of action
>: they have taken to correct this to prevent future happenings.
>: I don't need excuses. I especially don't want to hear why it happened
>: because like I said the damage is done. For this type of article to even be
>: on their computers or on their " minds" in the first place IS the real
>: problem. That it got to print only opens our eyes to their true beliefs.
BRAVO!! I think that about phrases the truth.. Who cares what the
hell they write?? If people were so "discomforted" by it then all
they had to do was stop reading.. Throwing blame and talking about
throwing the "switch" only further shows that we as Americans want our
reading content CONTROLLED by the government.. If people were raised
right nowadays their morals would be great enough to realize any
truths or falses to what other people say, anyways...
>: I think Game Fan has gotten just a little to high and mighty. Too bad for
>: them they didn't remain the humble, accurate, and great magazine they once
>: were.
Yeah, right.... Who are you to judge?!
>: Erin
>: --
>: Erin A. Fritz
>: email: fr...@iastate.edu
>: "We've got 200 woody-inducing titles to play on it." 3DO
>: ____DISCLAIMER______________________________________________________
>: |The opinions expressed above are mine and in no way represent those|
>: |of my employer, my school, my country, my wife, my political party,|
>: |myself, or my cat. |
>: |___________________________________________________________________|
>--
>It takes a big man to cry,
>But it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
Sure enough!
Duane Laviniere
address? I'm a college man now.
Duane Laviniere
>however, they did fuck up big time, and they deserve to pay, which they
>will. But, if diehard hasnet already lost all their Japanese support, I
>will continue to read it cuz I want to konw wuts going on. Next Genration
>gives the in-depth, but nothing cutting edge.
I don't think they'll lose their Japanese coverage over something so trivial.
It's pretty obvious that the artyicle was an acto of sabotage. In all their
prior issues, they never once made any stupid remark like that. I really think
people overreacted. Once you realize that it was not intended to be published,
you should then drop the subject, b/c there really isn't much to discuss.
Duane Laviniere
>Well I did cancel my subscription. That is not reading it in my book.
>Did you mean something else when you said don't read it?
Some may call your reaction courageous, but I call it overreacting. Do you
think for one minute that a mag as small and as desperate as DHGF would even
risk publishing anything near as risky as that? Not to mention, why was the
article so crappy and disjointed? That was probably a janitor who snuck in and
typed it. Whoever it was, they had an IQ equal to a snail's. I'm still
getting my GF's and love them. B/C some bonehead screws up the whole works for
everyone else, doesn't make everyone bad by default.
>Erin
>
>
Chinh Nguyen
Adrian Garay <adr...@mail.woodtech.com> wrote:
>>Well Erin it definitely looks like we should take a pill. I do
>>remember a little document called the fr pardon my computer... the
>>first ammendment. If what you had read infuriated you so much then
>>why did you continue to read it?
>>You control your own destiny... don't complain about the way others
>>are taking theirs.
>BRAVO!! I think that about phrases the truth.. Who cares what the
>hell they write?? If people were so "discomforted" by it then all
>they had to do was stop reading.. Throwing blame and talking about
>throwing the "switch" only further shows that we as Americans want our
>reading content CONTROLLED by the government.. If people were raised
>right nowadays their morals would be great enough to realize any
>truths or falses to what other people say, anyways...
[Patriotic music abruptly halted]
Perhaps you two should get out of those political science books and live
in the real world for a couple of days. It's so wonderful whenever some
constitionalist comes around waving about the absoluteness of the 1st
amendment. The Freedom of Speech is *NOT* an absolute one, as any
other. Children are *regularly* deprived of this right in the name of
their education; the Supreme Court has upheld this and will continue to
do so. What, so Mr. Ammon doesn't have a right to complain about DHGF's
article? He doesn't have a right to exercise his free speech? That
you should tramp about mounted on your first-amendment high chairs is
blatantly and sadly hypocritical.
As a writer, I will be first in line against any government censorship.
However, criticism is *always* welcome, no matter how harsh. Though
preferably, it should be something besides mindless drivel out of some
pamphlet.
>Yeah, right.... Who are you to judge?!
A *consumer*. Like *anyone* else who is dissatisfied with a particular
product, he has the right to complain about it. What you both don't get
is that if he pans out $5.00 for the magazine, and doesn't get what he
wants, he has the *right* to complain about it in the hopes that they
will right what they did wrong. If they don't, then the "American" thing
to do is to boycott the product until they change their Evil Ways (tm).
For instance, Sega exercised their right to free speech (or rather, the
right that goes hand in hand with free speech, the right *not* to speak)
by censoring SoR 3. We, as the consumer, have the right to complain in
the hopes that they will change and produce a product that will satisfy
us. True, you can be ignorant little asses and say, "Well, if you don't
like it, JUST DON'T BUY IT!!!" But that is hardly the point. If that is
the attitude that all businesses took towards the consumer, then
capitalism would be dead.
As for you, Mr. Ammon, while you are free to post your comments and
decision, it is worth saying that you did something illegal. Even if the
article is full of profanity, it is *still* the copyrighted property of
DHGF. What you essentially did was xerox their article and posted it on
a public forum for all to access. Awhile ago, I posted a request for a
GamePro article, and Mr. Eddy came on to kindly warn anyone who complied
with it that this is an illegal act. You are lucky that the material was
so incendiary. If a magazine that "surfs the net" more often caught you,
you would might have had to prepare for legal action.
--Chinh Nguyen
Chris Curry
|>I don't think they'll lose their Japanese coverage over something so trivial.
|>It's pretty obvious that the artyicle was an acto of sabotage. In all their
|>prior issues, they never once made any stupid remark like that. I really think
|>people overreacted. Once you realize that it was not intended to be published,
|>you should then drop the subject, b/c there really isn't much to discuss.
I don't think the question is whether they did it on purpose because obviously
they didn't, but the issue is whether or not it was sabotage or filler text
they forgot to replace with the real article before it went to the presses.
I'm more inclined to believe the latter over the former.
Erin A Fritz
It wasn't the article that did it alone. It was their generally crappy
editorial quality, poor reviews (or shall I say advertisements), there
constant over emphasising of the Import market (to sell the import games),
their lack of accuracy in their news, and their genuine bias (showing tons
of import games NOT AVAILABLE in the US, while not even covering a portion
of the ones in the US we can buy), and finally their mistake with the
article. But it wasn't even that that did it. It was their lack of ability
to take responsibility for the matter and blaming it on others in the
industry that put the nail in the coffin.
Do you think I over reacted now? I know many people would just cancel their
subscripton because the magazine is late, period. So I think I had plenty
of reason to cancel.
Peter Berger
>>: them they didn't remain the humble, accurate, and great magazine they once
>>: were.
>
Uhhh, their CUSTOMER, you fucking moron.
Geez.
--
"Actually, you just think that's a telephone. Really, it's the alarm
that rings whenever I get out of my chair." -- E.S.
Peter Berger. System Administrator, Telerama Public Access Internet
http://www.lm.com/~peterb Serving Pittsburgh since 1991.
chris graber
I was just thinking about Die Hards exuse of SABATOGE, and I thought
that is it was don't you think the sabetours would of put FU@#ing instead of
FREAKING?!
Vega Sisters
>Some may call your reaction courageous, but I call it overreacting. Do you
>think for one minute that a mag as small and as desperate as DHGF would even
>risk publishing anything near as risky as that?
No, I don't think they even knew the article was like that before they
printed it. It was a bad magazine with pretty pictures. However,
those editor were not that dumb.
>Not to mention, why was the
>article so crappy and disjointed? That was probably a janitor who snuck in and
>typed it. Whoever it was, they had an IQ equal to a snail's. I'm still
That's what they want you to believe - someone sneaked in and typed
it. However, this kind of
we-are-the-greatest-and-everyone-is-jealous-of-us attitude is ignorant
and only their typical 14 yo readers will believe.
>getting my GF's and love them. B/C some bonehead screws up the whole works for
>everyone else, doesn't make everyone bad by default.
Now the point is not just the dumb magazine with a bad article. It's
the attitude they had after this accident:
1. They were too chicken to admit that was their own mistake.
Instead, they blamed on someone else.
2. It showed what they thought of the Japanese people despite the fact
that without those "little jap xxxx", they are outta their jobs
already!
>>Erin
Duane Laviniere
>I don't think the question is whether they did it on purpose because obviously
>they didn't, but the issue is whether or not it was sabotage or filler text
>they forgot to replace with the real article before it went to the presses.
>
>I'm more inclined to believe the latter over the former.
Yeah, and what boat did you fall off of. Why on God's earth did they even have
racist filler text? If there was even the smallest chance that something
shitty like that could leak through if there was a computer error, I don't
think they woulda put it in. Filler text would probably have been something
like "I'm a moron" over and over. You don't go dissing Japanese people who
make the friggin games and take more interest in game news than Americans. Not
even in filler. You ever notice that you get stomped on everytime you're down?
Quite stomping on GF. It was sabotage. NO MAGAZINE outside of Arian nation
stuff would go that far with racist filler text. Don't you think they have
minorities working fr the staff? This world is chock full of morons, but you
don't have to be one.
Return of KiiLA
"The streets will flow with the blood of the unbeliever."
- Beavis a.k.a the Great Cornholio
David Dempsey
follows is our official statement about the incident with Die Hard Game
Fan magazine:
"The September issue of Die Hard Game Fan magazine contained an
erroneous review of EA SPORTS' recently released game, COLLEGE FOOTBALL
USA 96. Electronic Arts is greatly disturbed by the offensive attitude
of this article. EA SPORTS believes that gaming and sports transcend
race, creed and religion, and that discrimination in any form is
unacceptable. Game Fan has assured us that an apology and corrected
review will run in the October issue of the magazine."
Das Cor
(Grass, LSD, Heroin, Coke, or whatever), but it is drug use.
- Matt
Eric Elias
Dear Mr. Dempsey;
After reading that article, one can tell that this is not a review, and/or
is anyway connected to the game that was shown(and the game looked incredibly
good!) The reason for this letter is twofold.
First, I urge you not to take any action against GameFan, other than
to voice warnings about editing. Their magazine is one of the best
magazines on the market and I hope they continue to thrive.
Second, I did not take the article to mean anything against EA. EA has
a good reputation among video game programmers and designers alike,
and in no way did we take the article as something produced from EA. THe
press release is commendable, but the true blame lies elsewhere...the
parties responsible for the sabotage.
Once again, thank you for the statement of concern!
Respectfully,
Eric Elias
Andrew
*****Gee you really went out on a limb with that *tough* official
statement. Sounds like the main concern was to get your review in;-)
-Andy
Nick Merritt
(Adrian Garay) wrote:
> BRAVO!! I think that about phrases the truth.. Who cares what the
> hell they write?? If people were so "discomforted" by it then all
> they had to do was stop reading.. Throwing blame and talking about
> throwing the "switch" only further shows that we as Americans want our
> reading content CONTROLLED by the government.. If people were raised
> right nowadays their morals would be great enough to realize any
> truths or falses to what other people say, anyways...
Don't be such a bloody paranoid arse. People do not buy games mags to read
racist tracts. Besides, it's not a matter of 'govt control' or such
hysterical mumblings, it's a matter of politeness, decency and respect for
your readers, whatever their ethnic background.
Nick
dmk
important stuff!!......Can you tell us somthing about
NHL 96 for 3do ,Playstation and Saturn?!? Which one will be
better,which one will be out first and how about some
features??....Thanks David...your swell!!
VGZ...@news.delphi.com
>Erin Fritz <fr...@iastate.edu> wrote:
>>Well I did cancel my subscription. That is not reading it in my book.
>>Did you mean something else when you said don't read it?
>Some may call your reaction courageous, but I call it overreacting. Do you
>think for one minute that a mag as small and as desperate as DHGF would even
>risk publishing anything near as risky as that? Not to mention, why was the
>article so crappy and disjointed? That was probably a janitor who snuck in and
>typed it. Whoever it was, they had an IQ equal to a snail's. I'm still
>getting my GF's and love them. B/C some bonehead screws up the whole works for
>everyone else, doesn't make everyone bad by default.
>>Erin
>>
>>
I still can't believe that ANYONE really thinks the Racist Fan review
was an act of "sabotage." Isn't it bloody obvious that they
cut-and-pasted a few paragraphs of dummy text from their Air Combat
review and forgot to rewrite it before it went to press? "Probably a
janitor who snuck in and typed it"? A janitor who happens to know his way
around desktop publishing programs AND who knows about an obscure
Japanese game called Air Combat? Come ON. They fucked up, pure and
simple, and instead of admitting it, they're feeding a line of BS to
their readers. And it looks like it just might be working. How sad.
Ralph Barbagallo
Dave Halverson had his mommy write that press release about the incident
because it has correct grammar and spelling. Definitely doesn't match
up with the rest of DHGF's content.
--
Ralph A. Barbagallo III --- rbar...@cs.uml.edu --- Only AMIGA makes it
URL: http://www.cs.uml.edu/~rbarbaga "Escom. ESCOM?!" * Possible...*
R.I.P. Jay Miner: June 20th 1994 Father of the 2600, Atari 8bit, Amiga
-=-=-=-=-="Orange Lazarus will rise again, Slushmaster!"-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
J.Caris
Government control? Come off it. Like Nick Merrit says, people buy
games magazines to read about games. If GameFan appreciated the fact
that the readers effectively pay these people's wages, they wouldn't
have even wriiten the article, let alone allowed it to get into print.
That they did just proves that DHGF don't have the sense of duty
towards their readers that Nick evidently has towards readers of his
tome (Sega Power, Britain's best Sega Mag:- buy it. Whoops, sorry, I
was overcome by a bout of brand loyalty. It won't happen again!).
The solution is simple: if you were offended (and you don't have to be
the butt of the comments to find them distasteful) then don't buy the
magazine *ever* again. I know I won't (before you ask, yes, you can
get DHGF in Britain, and yes, it is stupidly expensive.)
-----
J. Caris m...@pavilion.co.uk
Madlion
>fr...@iastate.edu (Erin A Fritz) writes:
>>Gamefan, September issue, Page 115------------------------------------
>>
>>The sound track don't suck
>>neither, wow! bonus shit or what I mean what the hell do those guys at
>>Namco smoke anyway. (wish i had some) I think those little jap bastards
>>love to freak, no i take that back I know those little jap bastards love to
>>freak on military Sims and that's cool if your a littl jap bastard but i am
>>not.
>Definitely reads like Game Fan's typical writing style (uneducated 12 year-
>old boy authors). In fact, ALL the magazines produced by this publisher
>are just like this.
>Perhaps this incident will cause the crumbling of the kiddy fanzines.
>Wayne.
As strange as this is it seems obvious that somethings not right.
Figrst of all, the game Cal Cavair is supposidly talking about is Ace
Combat yet on that page is the sport section showing pictures of
College Football 96. Second the article is written twice, the part of
the artcle that Wayne wrote is in one paragraph twice with ABSOLUTLY
no changes. Do you really beleive Gamefan would have let this go by?
It would destory the whole magazine, in fact it is! But I have yet to
see the new issue of Gamfan which will probably have an apology and an
explanation.