Help Saturn modchip needed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gerard
Can anyone give help to find a saturn modchip so that it can work with the
2nd saturn model (saturn with "round" buttons).
Come on i reallly need this chip.
Help please.
Thanks.
Phillip Roncoroni
still. You'll feel much better owning the full package.
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"Gerard" <Gerard...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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Mike G
<goo...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>You "really" need a chip... for pirating games? It may be a dead system, but
>still. You'll feel much better owning the full package.
Is the term "piracy" really appropriate when it's the Saturn we're
talking about? You can't hijack a sunken ship.
Mike
Raymond McKeithen II
"Mike G" <m.a.g...@ncl.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Whatever you claim, it's still stealing, and it's still piracy.
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Sunken ship or not, the Saturn is still the intellectual property of
Sega Enterprises, Ltd. Just because a car breaks down doesn't make
it the property of the first wrecker to tow it. Just because the
system is discontinued does not make it "open season" on the softs.
Here is the argument as I understand it.
Piracy proponents believe that since SEGA is not selling Saturn games
at the moment, then it's not really stealing to take the games for free.
I consider this to be similar to saying that if a store is closed at the
moment, then taking the merchandise isn't really stealing as there's no
way to pay for it.
Of course, the latter premise is false, but so is the former one.
Sega put a *lot* of intellectual resources into the Saturn, things like
the Panzer Dragoon series, the Shining Force series, and of course the
Sonic Team games like Burning Rangers and NiGHTS. These belong to SEGA.
Pirating them is still stealing. The availability of the resource is
not germane to the crime. Precious metals are "precious" because they
are rare and hard to find, but stealing gold is still theft.
The ship isn't "sunken", it's just not taking passengers at the moment.
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Mike G
I don't dispute that it's copyright infringement, and that it's
illegal. I just think there's a huge difference, morally speaking,
between copying games for a dead platform and commercial piracy for a
currently available system.
To use the stealing analogy, copying Dreamcast games is akin to
shoplifting, whereas copying Saturn games is more like "dumpster
diving" in the alley at the back of the store. As far as the law is
concerned, both acts are theft, and equally reprehensible. Morally,
though, I think the latter act is far less serious a transgression.
I don't have my Saturn chipped, nor do I own any copied games for it,
but I wouldn't be so quick to condemn those who do. Dreamcast copying,
OTOH, is a different matter entirely.
Mike
Mike G
<gdo...@primenet.com> wrote:
>
>
>Mike G wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 21:44:39 GMT, "Phillip Roncoroni"
>> <goo...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>>
>> >You "really" need a chip... for pirating games? It may be a dead system, but
>> >still. You'll feel much better owning the full package.
>>
>> Is the term "piracy" really appropriate when it's the Saturn we're
>> talking about? You can't hijack a sunken ship.
>
>Sunken ship or not, the Saturn is still the intellectual property of
>Sega Enterprises, Ltd. Just because a car breaks down doesn't make
>it the property of the first wrecker to tow it. Just because the
>system is discontinued does not make it "open season" on the softs.
Okay. But it makes copying them somewhat more acceptable from a moral
standpoint. It's not really "stealing", since stealing implies
depriving the copyright holder of revenue, which isn't the case with
the Saturn as Sega no longer profit from the system.
Between "All Pirates Will Burn in HELL!" and "WareZ R kEwl Man!",
there's a sensible moral compromise, somewhere, I hope.
>Here is the argument as I understand it.
>
>Piracy proponents believe that since SEGA is not selling Saturn games
>at the moment, then it's not really stealing to take the games for free.
>
>I consider this to be similar to saying that if a store is closed at the
>moment, then taking the merchandise isn't really stealing as there's no
>way to pay for it.
This stealing analogy is a flawed one, but I'll go along with it for
now.
Now suppose the store wasn't just closed, but closed DOWN - boarded
up, its windows soaped - and what was left of its stock heaped out to
rot in an alley beside the store. Would it still be stealing to take
it then? Technically, yes, but morally?
>Of course, the latter premise is false, but so is the former one.
>Sega put a *lot* of intellectual resources into the Saturn, things like
>the Panzer Dragoon series, the Shining Force series, and of course the
>Sonic Team games like Burning Rangers and NiGHTS. These belong to SEGA.
Of course they do, I'm not disputing that. But Sega only lose out if
a) those titles are still available commercially, and b) pirates are
copying them on a commercial basis, thereby directly depriving Sega of
revenue.
>Pirating them is still stealing. The availability of the resource is
>not germane to the crime. Precious metals are "precious" because they
>are rare and hard to find, but stealing gold is still theft.
That's a ridiculous analogy. The Saturn is dead because it's no longer
commercially viable. The same can hardly be said of precious metals.
Is it possible to "steal" something of zero value?
There is of course a collector's market for rare and hard-to-find
Saturn games, but that isn't going to be affected by copying because
collectors are only interested in the genuine article. Original =
Gold, CDR copy = Iron Pyrite.
>The ship isn't "sunken", it's just not taking passengers at the moment.
What? You seem to be under the impression that Sega will resurrect the
Saturn at some stage. If that is actually true, then I take back
everything I've said.
Dead parrot sketch, anyone? :-)
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Gennady Utkin
"Raymond McKeithen II" <rfmc...@suchiepaijas.net> wrote in message
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SomaAdor3
wrong to pirate games. But I think the Sega isn't really going to benefit from
pirating now. Sega isn't making Saturn games anymore, so most orginals would
be bought of someone, which would not benefit Sega. Plus games like Panzer
Dragoon Saga, are going for $100, Radiant Silvergun $60, these games aren't
going for to cheap. The orginals are definately better IMO, but for a Saturn
gamer on a budget, piracy is an alright solution. I do not own any pirated
games, but have spent a lot on Saturn games.
Arjan Tijms
>The ship isn't "sunken", it's just not taking passengers at the moment.
You mean Sega is going to bring out new games for the Saturn ? Or
perhaps release something like psx-one ? Kewl !
I had no idea. Where did you get this info from ? I looked all over
Sega's site, but can't find anything regarding a rerelease of the
Saturn.