32X vs. 3DO
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by a 3do rep and the system looked *very* good. About the only flaws I saw
was the time needed to load up games from CD and the cheap controllers. There
are other controllers out that are better so that solves that problem. But the
rep said that so far they have no intention to make a 3x or 4x speed CD roms.
The rep really put the 32X down..he said that its not a true 32 bit system and
he did not have any pleasant things to say about the SegaCD. Some of the FMV
grafix of the 3do I felt was unnecesary, I mean having the cutesy intros is
nice, but you get tired of all that after about a week. Additionally, for a
32 bit fighting game to have only 9 (or 10,can't exactly recall the number)
different fighters is a waste, even if they have 100 moves ( I feel the same
way about eternal champions). How is the 32X? Is it comparable to the 3do?
JasonT
<U15...@uicvm.uic.edu> wrote:
> How is the 32X? Is it comparable to the 3do?
The 32X is closer in comparison to the SNES FX chip than it
is to the 3DO. 32X is a good system and I realy like the first
three games out for it. VR deluxe is great and I can't stop
playing Doom.
32X is not up to par with the 3DO but it's fun as hell and (IMO)
well worth the money.
JasonT
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Felarca Mario M
One also has to remember that the 32X is in the first weeks of its life. Give
the programmers some time and I think you will be pleasantly (sp?) surprised
by what the 32X can do. It is a true 32 bit system, albeit a low-end one, so
the 3DO may have some raw advantages in it, but the Genesis is technically
superior to the SNES and there are still many great games out there and many
people who either prefer the Genny over the SNES, or own both systems.
>JasonT
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Chris Ozols
>nice, but you get tired of all that after about a week. Additionally, for a
>32 bit fighting game to have only 9 (or 10,can't exactly recall the number)
>different fighters is a waste, even if they have 100 moves ( I feel the same
>way about eternal champions). How is the 32X? Is it comparable to the 3do?
SSF2T has 17 fighters, SS has, I dunno, 10 or 12. Don't be put off by
WOTW, SF is much better than that, though there is a lot of complaints
about SS...
Chris Ozols | ozol...@student.msu.edu | SF2/SS2/MK2/DS
au...@imap1.asu.edu
: Has anyone compared both systems side by side? I saw a presentation today
The 3do rep. was giving you false info. about the 32x. It is a true 32
bit system. Did he explain his comment about the 32x not being a true
32-bit system? Perhaps he meant this " Because the 32x relies on some
Genesis background 16 bit graphics processing and sound, it is not a true 32
bit system?" Whatever the case is, the 32x is 32 bit.
The 3do is the best CD system out in the market right now. It
has 3 megs of ram. This gives it the ability to do great fmv games, and
first person prespective games. It, however, will never accomplish a 1:1
fighting game arcade translation because the CD lacks speed and the data
must be loaded (in the 2 megs) before the each match. In order to accomplish
the games on the 3do right now, they sacrifice sound (SS samples are
sampled at 11mhz), and graphics, and have chopiness in the game.
What the 3do really needs
is a cartridge option or another 2 megs of ram so these games can be
produced 99.9% like the arcade games.
The 32x on the other hand is also a good system. The 32x is a must get if
you already own a Genesis. The 32xCD games will not be as good as the 3do
games, but the cartridge games should be more faithful to the arcade
games than the 3do's versions.
eunjoon lee
>first person prespective games. It, however, will never accomplish a 1:1
>fighting game arcade translation because the CD lacks speed and the data
>must be loaded (in the 2 megs) before the each match.
CD is slow, but not as bad as you want it to be. And, there is a technology
called spooling that can compensate the slowness quite efficiently depends
on programming. Also, don't forget 3DO's CD driver is twice as fast as SegaCD's.
> In order to accomplish
>the games on the 3do right now, they sacrifice sound (SS samples are
>sampled at 11mhz), and graphics, and have chopiness in the game.
Exactly, what part of SSF2T for 3DO had choppiness in the game? One game
having a flaw doesn't mean all games should have the flaw.
>What the 3do really needs
>is a cartridge option or another 2 megs of ram so these games can be
> produced 99.9% like the arcade games.
I don't think 2Mega byte memory is not enough to contain info for two fighters
and a background. Remember, SSF2 for genesis has only 40Megabit, which is
5Mega bytes. They put all the info from intro to all 17 fighters to background
to endings in 5 Mega byte space.
>you already own a Genesis. The 32xCD games will not be as good as the 3do
>games, but the cartridge games should be more faithful to the arcade
>games than the 3do's versions.
If Sega can make 100+Megabit cart affordable. Still, I don't think 32x can
handle the scaling, rotating, and texture mapping like 3DO does for Offworld
Interceptor.
Eunjoon
Joselito Tagarao
: Has anyone compared both systems side by side? I saw a presentation today
There really is no real way to compare them. The 32x isn't a true 32-bit
system...it's an upgrade to a 16bit system made affordable. The 3D0 is a
32-Bit system hundreds of dollars more, but it based around 32bit, not a
32bit 16 bit hybrid like the 32x. The Saturn is the main competitor for
the 3D0...personally, I'd take the 32x and Saturn over the 3D0 any day,
despite the fact that I own one (I think I might return it if it doesn't
start to pick up any speed, which seemes to be getting worse). The CD
only technology bothers me (speedwise, other limitations), and the 64bit
upgrade for the 3D0 looks like a weak 32x type attempt. They say it will
make it exactly like a 64 bit system, but I find that difficult to swallow.
BTW, that rep is probably promoting the 3D0. Did you really expect him
to say anythin' good about Sega? Duh.
eunjoon lee
Joselito Tagarao <ho...@amiserv.xnet.com> wrote:
>the 3D0...personally, I'd take the 32x and Saturn over the 3D0 any day,
>despite the fact that I own one (I think I might return it if it doesn't
>start to pick up any speed, which seemes to be getting worse). The CD
What do you mean?
Eunjoon
Andrew E. Babiec
ho...@amiserv.xnet.com (Joselito Tagarao) writes:
>There really is no real way to compare them. The 32x isn't a true 32-bit
>system...it's an upgrade to a 16bit system made affordable. The 3D0 is a
>32-Bit system hundreds of dollars more, but it based around 32bit, not a
>32bit 16 bit hybrid like the 32x. The Saturn is the main competitor for
RISC chips in it as the main ones. In my opinion, that makes it a legitimate
32 bit system. Now if Atari or NEC made the 32x, they would call it a 64-bit
system.
Andrew Babiec AEB9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu or PCl...@uconnvm.uconn.edu
"Yeah I do the math, but all I get is negatives"
Connecticut (3-0) 105, Yale 53
Greg Davis
In my opinion 3do is a world above the 32x, but I prefer the 32x
for 4 reasons. For one 3do has some really cool grahics and surround sound
but they don't seem to have a lot of arcade action games. I've seen
at least 8 games(that a friend recorded for me) and I was impressed with
Total Eclypse and Road Rash (would like to see SSFIIT).
But that still is not enough for me two spend $400. For two I aready had the
base system for Sega and the CD and $200 was more in my price range($150
for 32x, $50 for cart. For three I like having the choice of carts and CD
titles especially with some of the apparent difficulties with CD
conversions. For four I am pretty satisfied with sega and I knew they
would get the game titles that I want. So far the I am pleased with the
first three games for the 32x(SWA,VRD,, and Doom). 3do is clearly the
most powerful out of the two and it has made a name for it self in a what
I call a short period of time.I just don't like the way the a lot of the
games look computer generated or what ever you call it. I'll let the tech
guys handle that last comment.
au...@imap1.asu.edu
: In article <3bqtl6$4...@news.asu.edu>, <au...@imap1.asu.edu> wrote:
: >first person prespective games. It, however, will never accomplish a 1:1
: >fighting game arcade translation because the CD lacks speed and the data
: >must be loaded (in the 2 megs) before the each match.
: CD is slow, but not as bad as you want it to be. And, there is a technology
: called spooling that can compensate the slowness quite efficiently depends
: on programming. Also, don't forget 3DO's CD driver is twice as fast as
: SegaCD's.
The 3do kicks the SEGA CD's ****. I make no effort to compare the two
because the 3do does have more memory and a faster CD than the SEGA CD.
The SEGA CD has the slowest CD drive ever created!!!!!
The comparison here is between cartridge roms and CD ROM formats.
a double speed drive is a double speed drive!
300k per sec max! (you might be lucky to get 320k per sec.)
the spooling feature will speed up the seek time a little though.
you can't even compare CD ROM transfer rates and
seek times to cartridges!!!!
: > In order to accomplish
: >the games on the 3do right now, they sacrifice sound (SS samples are
: >sampled at 11mhz), and graphics, and have chopiness in the game.
: Exactly, what part of SSF2T for 3DO had choppiness in the game? One game
: having a flaw doesn't mean all games should have the flaw.
Even SSF2T for 3do has a chopiness problem. It also has parts where the
game slows down almost to a halt!!!! (ex. guile does a sonic boom and then
follows it to then do a leg sweep, lightning kick combo, etc.)
: >What the 3do really needs
: >is a cartridge option or another 2 megs of ram so these games can be
: > produced 99.9% like the arcade games.
: I don't think 2Mega byte memory is not enough to contain info for two fighters
: and a background. Remember, SSF2 for genesis has only 40Megabit, which is
: 5Mega bytes. They put all the info from intro to all 17 fighters to background
: to endings in 5 Mega byte space.
The Genesis has 5 Megabytes compressed, producing a total for the game of
about (10 megabytes, 2:1 ratio)
2 Megabytes for all the sounds, graphics, and code (in one level)
is not even close enough
for a 1:1 translation without cutting something out of the game (paralax
scrolling, background graphics, some sound effects etc.).
: >you already own a Genesis. The 32xCD games will not be as good as the 3do
: >games, but the cartridge games should be more faithful to the arcade
: >games than the 3do's versions.
: If Sega can make 100+Megabit cart affordable. Still, I don't think 32x can
: handle the scaling, rotating, and texture mapping like 3DO does for Offworld
: Interceptor.
I think it will be possible to produce a 118 Megabit game for $80. Street
Fighter2 is 40 megabits at $49. The reason why I say 118 MEGABITS is
because that is what Samurai Showdown is on the 1:1 NEOGEO.
U64...@uicvm.uic.edu
>
>In article <3brpki$1...@flood.xnet.com>
>ho...@amiserv.xnet.com (Joselito Tagarao) writes:
>
>>There really is no real way to compare them. The 32x isn't a true 32-bit
>>system...it's an upgrade to a 16bit system made affordable. The 3D0 is a
>>32-Bit system hundreds of dollars more, but it based around 32bit, not a
>>32bit 16 bit hybrid like the 32x. The Saturn is the main competitor for
>
>I beg to differ. THe 32X is a true 32 bit system...it has two(!) 32-bit
>RISC chips in it as the main ones. In my opinion, that makes it a legitimate
>32 bit system. Now if Atari or NEC made the 32x, they would call it a 64-bit
>system.
>
ot. The Jaguar has a total of five processors, three of which are 64bit.
Nice try...
Edwin Jose Reynolds
exception). Nice graphics and sounds aren't enough to make a great game.
Responsive play control is very important and this is where most 3DO games
fall short. Play Way of The Warrior, Dragon's Lair, and Crash 'N Burn and
you'll understand this right away. Even S.S.F.2 Turbo doesn't have that
crisp arcade feel, or even the excellent control of the SNES or Sega
versions.
Sega's 32X, while technically inferior, promises more exciting and
entertaining software at a lower price. V.R. Deluxe plays smoother and
better than any 3DO game could ever hope to.
- Ed
jua...@spcvxb.spc.edu
I have to admit that the 3DO is the superior machine -it has a double-speed
CD-ROM drive and its architecture is built for 32 bit processing.
The 32x is like a 386sx -it has 32bit processing but runs it on a 16bit
architecture and with the SegaCD -that's only a single speed drive.
Still -that doesn't mean anything in this business.
The SNES is a superior machine to the Genesis -but it can't really beat it,
The Genesis has a larger library and some of its games are superior to the
SNES -sports and some of the Virgin/Disney titles.
I'm not going to advocate Sega -IMO, they're the best ones out in the market.
All the 3DO games I've seen have been first person perspective or something
from PC CD-ROM, not many arcade titles -it's only now that they're beginning to
smarten up to the fact that the 3DO needs arcade type games in its library.
To be honest, if you have a Genesis and you like it -get a 32x, it's worth the
investment and wait for the competition to heat up in the 32bit arena to decide
whether a 3DO is worth it or not.
If you don't own a 3DO -don't buy it, nothing really spectacular has come out
for it (except Samurai Shodown) and it's library of games is limited. If
you need a video system to knock down the boredom consider a Genesis or a
SNES -or if you're into fight games, check out the new NEO-GEO CD that's coming
out.
Thanks
Ned
St. Peter's College
Bob Luffel
: I have to admit that the 3DO is the superior machine -it has a double-speed
: CD-ROM drive and its architecture is built for 32 bit processing.
: The 32x is like a 386sx -it has 32bit processing but runs it on a 16bit
: architecture and with the SegaCD -that's only a single speed drive.
: Still -that doesn't mean anything in this business.
: The SNES is a superior machine to the Genesis -but it can't really beat it,
: The Genesis has a larger library and some of its games are superior to the
: SNES -sports and some of the Virgin/Disney titles.
: I'm not going to advocate Sega -IMO, they're the best ones out in the market.
: All the 3DO games I've seen have been first person perspective or something
: from PC CD-ROM, not many arcade titles -it's only now that they're beginning to
: smarten up to the fact that the 3DO needs arcade type games in its library.
Actually, there are very many non-FMV/non-PC titles out for 3DO that are
excellent games: RoadRash, FIFA Soccer, Shockwave, CrashnBurn, TotalEclipse,
The Horde, SSFIIT, SamSho, OffRoad Interceptor, Monster Manor, Madden Football,
Need for Speed, Way of the Warrior, and RoadRash (did I mention RoadRash?).
My Genesis/SNES have been gathering some major dust since getting a 3DO.
: To be honest, if you have a Genesis and you like it -get a 32x, it's worth the
: investment and wait for the competition to heat up in the 32bit arena to decide
: whether a 3DO is worth it or not.
: If you don't own a 3DO -don't buy it, nothing really spectacular has come out
: for it (except Samurai Shodown) and it's library of games is limited. If
: you need a video system to knock down the boredom consider a Genesis or a
: SNES -or if you're into fight games, check out the new NEO-GEO CD that's coming
: out.
I own a 32X, Jaguar, and 3DO. The 3DO is far and away (really, of course
that is based on my likes) the most impressive system -
hardware wise and based on all of the excellent titles out and on the way.
Based on the games I have and have played, I would rate them:
1) 3DO (clearly the best graphic and sound abilities, polygon abilities
about on par with Jag and 32X - but it can texture map them
at the same time, good game selection and future).
2) Jaguar (Decent sound, Decent graphics, Limited games and poor future,
Same Poly performance if not texture mapped).
3) 32X (Mediocre sound, Mediocre graphics, Mediocre life, About the
same polygon performance - probably non-texture mapped ).
Sorry for the 3DO post in the Sega group, but it was brought up by others
and I felt it needed some opinions from someone who owns and plays both
systems.
Bob
Alex Hsu
<snip>
: All the 3DO games I've seen have been first person perspective or something
: from PC CD-ROM, not many arcade titles -it's only now that they're beginning to
: smarten up to the fact that the 3DO needs arcade type games in its library.
I just bought a 3DO and I have a Genesis and SNES - rather than buy the
32X, the 3DO was a much more worthwhile investment for the following reason:
- SF2ST which plays exactly like the arcade minus the parallax scrolling
(but when you're trying to do a 6 hit super combo, you don't really pay
attention to the elephant trunks in the background) including the
incredible sound track.
- Samuri Showdown - decent arcade translation - the sound bites, though
- Road Rash
- The need for Speed
- and most importantly, the M2 chip coming out next year that will
upgrade the 3DO like the 32X does to the Genesis.
: To be honest, if you have a Genesis and you like it -get a 32x, it's worth the
: investment and wait for the competition to heat up in the 32bit arena to decide
: whether a 3DO is worth it or not.
If you are waiting for the Saturn and the Playstation to heat up, you'll
have to wait until next Christmas. I'd rather play SF2ST, SS, RR, and
NFS *now* not to mention the games that will come on between now and next
Christmas. Besides, the 3DO is upgradeable with the M2 chip so I'm not
worried that it will be beaten on a technological level. On a games
library level, I'm not worried at all since 3DO already has over 100
titles and devoted developers like EA and Panasonic.
: If you don't own a 3DO -don't buy it, nothing really spectacular has come out
: for it (except Samurai Shodown) and it's library of games is limited.
Limited in what sense? I think the only way it is limited is in the RPG
arena, but as far as action, 3DO has an ace in every genre (fighting,
shoot'em up, gun game, and an awesome side scroller is coming hopefully
before Christmas)
: If you need a video system to knock down the boredom consider a Genesis
: or a SNES -or if you're into fight games, check out the new NEO-GEO CD
: that's coming : out.
If you don't want to invest a great deal of money (like $399 + a game
which with tax will run you over $500), consider a Genesis or SNES. If
you're into fighting games *AND ONLY* fighting games, check out the Neo
Geo. If you are a serious gamer that wants the best available games out
there right now as far as graphics, sound, and playability, check out the
3DO.
Alex Hsu
F.Schober
vs. 3DO"...
5bue> Burn and you'll understand this right away. Even S.S.F.2 Turbo doesn't
5bue> have that crisp arcade feel, or even the excellent control of the SNES
Get a good Joyboard for 3DO and you have 1:1 arcade feel!
The pad is just crap!
Take it easy :)
F.A.Schober