VIC: What's the scoop on WD/Sony?
Jay Swartzfeger
What's the deal with WD releasing no games on the Playstation?
Is it true that you guys approached Sony last year, and they 'spurned' your
advances?
If this is the case, I don't think Sony realized the mistake they've
made...
ciao,
Jay
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nukulkij poom
not sure how he feels about developing for them now, but that statement
said a lot at the time.
Poom
Marty Chinn
: Vic,
: What's the deal with WD releasing no games on the Playstation?
: Is it true that you guys approached Sony last year, and they 'spurned' your
: advances?
No, WD approached Sony for the rights to Arc the Lad and were denied it.
That's all.
: If this is the case, I don't think Sony realized the mistake they've
: made...
They let ASCII bring out King's Field didn't they?
: ciao,
: Jay
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: Vic,
:
: What's the deal with WD releasing no games on the Playstation?
:
: Is it true that you guys approached Sony last year, and they 'spurned' your
: advances?
: made...
:
: Jay
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Jay this is a good thing! Anyway working design's translates alot of
gamearts games among a few others and they dont make games for the psx. I
will say this for the last time! The saturn was built to run rpg's and
strats. It will have twice as many rpg's as the psx and as jay has
informed me the psx will have alot of pc ports and if they do well i can
definately tell you they will come out for the saturn. If i wanted 3do
and pc games i would have bought them. I bought my saturn for new games.
Not only that but i get to laugh at my friends constantly that own psx's
about them not getting working designs games. Cause when it comes to
rpg's in this country and damn good translations of others games NO ONE I
mean NO ONE tops working designs. As for square not only is it likely
they will become a sega 3rd party but the only game they have going for
them is final fantasy 7 which aint no LUNAR! Jay buy a saturn be a happy
man. Most games going to the psx are going to the saturn unfotunately
(for psx owners thats is) It isnt the other way around. Hey vic! Is
falcom a saturn 3rd party in japan? (if they are still around?) -Chris
nathan stehle
>Jay Swartzfeger (evge...@fyi.net) wrote:
>: Vic,
>: What's the deal with WD releasing no games on the Playstation?
>: Is it true that you guys approached Sony last year, and they 'spurned' your
>: advances?
>No, WD approached Sony for the rights to Arc the Lad and were denied it.
>That's all.
Sony of Japan OK'ed it, but SCEA nixed it.
>: If this is the case, I don't think Sony realized the mistake they've
>: made...
>They let ASCII bring out King's Field didn't they?
Your point is? SCEA has the final call on what is brought over from
Japan. Not bad, but they held on a little too tight, IMO. Methinks
SCEA pushed off WD so they could secure Square. Now, if the PS had
both WD and Square, that would have been very nice.
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Jason
>Vic,
I'm not Vic. :)
>What's the deal with WD releasing no games on the Playstation?
>Is it true that you guys approached Sony last year, and they 'spurned' your
>advances?
It's true. WD asked to port AtL. SCEA refused due to corporate
policy in which Sony of Japan made games can only be ported by SCEA.
>If this is the case, I don't think Sony realized the mistake they've
>made...
They do (to an extent) now. SCEA is scrambling to get AtL and BtB
out. Don't hold your breath for a decent translation though..
-- Jason
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S.L.A.
: What's the deal with WD releasing no games on the Playstation?
There is a simple answer to that: WD ports Japanese RPG's and there
are very few PSX RPG's in Japan, don't ask me why.
-S.A.
Victor Ireland
>
your
>advances?
True. Sony wouldn't let us translate some of Sony Japan's RPG's, and
since there are so few in Japan for PSX, most are made BY Sony. That
effectively cut us out, unless we wanted to port the crap, which we did
not.
>If this is the case, I don't think Sony realized the mistake they've
>made...
>
>ciao,
>
>Jay
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Sony *says* they want more RPG's, but the base policy that prevents US
from doing them is still in place.
DBTH - Vic
Marty Chinn
: >: If this is the case, I don't think Sony realized the mistake they've
: >: made...
: >They let ASCII bring out King's Field didn't they?
: Your point is? SCEA has the final call on what is brought over from
: Japan. Not bad, but they held on a little too tight, IMO. Methinks
: SCEA pushed off WD so they could secure Square. Now, if the PS had
: both WD and Square, that would have been very nice.
My point is SCEA is not denying RPGs, just WD the port of Arc the Lad.
Its one thing to say they were denied a game, and its another to say they
were denied to make RPGs on the system.
nathan stehle
>nathan stehle (ste...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: >: If this is the case, I don't think Sony realized the mistake they've
>: >: made...
>: >They let ASCII bring out King's Field didn't they?
>: Your point is? SCEA has the final call on what is brought over from
>: Japan. Not bad, but they held on a little too tight, IMO. Methinks
>: SCEA pushed off WD so they could secure Square. Now, if the PS had
>: both WD and Square, that would have been very nice.
>My point is SCEA is not denying RPGs, just WD the port of Arc the Lad.
>Its one thing to say they were denied a game, and its another to say they
>were denied to make RPGs on the system.
Well, duh! No one has said Sony is refusing RPG's completely, not even
the original poster. But, Sony really put off WD on a game with a company
that could help secure their position over Sega's with the Saturn. SCEA
dropped the ball, and basically pissed off WD, which is/was _very_
obvious.
The fact that FF7 is coming out helps the position for Sony considerably.
But, if WD was making games for the PS as well as Square, it would be
great for RPG fans and PS gamers. Too bad, but maybe things will change,
but it looks like RPG's from the PS are at least at a trickle. It's a little
better for the Saturn, but that all depends on what happens with future
releases.
Doug Erickson
>Sony *says* they want more RPG's, but the base policy that prevents US
>from doing them is still in place.
Would you have to deal with Sony if you wanted to translate, say,
Konami's _Genso Suikoden_ for the PS? Assuming Konami still has no intentions
of bringing it over...
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Danielle Rios
: Jay Swartzfeger (evge...@fyi.net) wrote:
:
: : What's the deal with WD releasing no games on the Playstation?
:
: There is a simple answer to that: WD ports Japanese RPG's and there
:
: -S.A.
bring from japan. -Chris
Sexton Furnival
>True. Sony wouldn't let us translate some of Sony Japan's RPG's, and
>since there are so few in Japan for PSX, most are made BY Sony. That
>effectively cut us out, unless we wanted to port the crap, which we did
>not.
we desperately need that in the usa and i doubt konami is gonna do it, what
will all concentrations of the "konami XXL sports series".
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>Vic,
>
>What's the deal with WD releasing no games on the Playstation?
Simple. WD asked Sony, "Could we bring Playstation RPG's over from
Japan?" and Sony replied "No, we don't think the market is there." Of
course, now sony is bringing rpg's here on it's own ONLY because they received
tons of requests...
ATLC
Victor Ireland
>
>Re: VIC: What's the scoop on WD/Sony?
>
>>True. Sony wouldn't let us translate some of Sony Japan's RPG's, and
>>since there are so few in Japan for PSX, most are made BY Sony. That
>>effectively cut us out, unless we wanted to port the crap, which we did
>>not.
>
>policenauts isn't crap. what about that?
>we desperately need that in the usa and i doubt konami is gonna do it,
what
It is also not an RPG. But, besides that, it is only ONE title. We're
not going to start publishing for a platform, giving OUR seal of approval
to OUR fans, if we only have the intent or ability to give them 1 or 2
titles. With Sony's continuing restrictive policies, that would be the
case.
DBTH - Vic
Marty Chinn
: In article <AD7CC81A...@zel19.fyi.net>, evge...@fyi.net says...
And this would be totally wrong. WD asked Sony for the rights to Arc the
Lad, which Sony owns, and WD was denied it. WD was never denied to make
RPGs in the US.
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Danielle Rios
werent doing sega games. Saturn is alot better with WD doing games on it
that alone makes it an rpg power then add sega's other third parties and
sega them selves who have proven they can make a damn good rpg (phantasy
star series, shinning force series, etc) . Sega looks to be the next
great rpg power. Guardian heroes has 60 harecters each having 2 sets of
supermoves and is 6 players! Gotta love treasure!-Chris
Mike S Reynolds
Marty Chinn <vids...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>And this would be totally wrong. WD asked Sony for the rights to Arc the
>Lad, which Sony owns, and WD was denied it. WD was never denied to make
>RPGs in the US.
It was more than Arc the Lad. It was *any* SCEJ RPGs, even ones SCEA had no
plans to port(which at the time included Arc). Since there are so few RPGs
for the Jap. PSX, and the good ones are almost all done by SCEJ, this
basically shut WD out of the market. Vic explained this awhile ago when you
posted asking the same question as the original poster, did you forget?
For those who don't understand WD's position, think of what would have
happened if SoA had done the same thing as SCEA. There goes 60% of WD's
announced titles for this year. The PSX rpg selection in Japan is even
slimmer than the Saturn's, so WD really has nothing good to port if they
can't do any SCEJ titles.
My own speculation: WD will eventually start doing games for the PSX once
the RPG market opens up a little in Japan and they wouldn't have to rely on
SCEJ as much. In fact I sincerely hope that WD eventually does PSX games,
because if Squaresoft sticks to its old ways, half their good PSX games
will not be picked up by their US division.
Mike Reynolds
Umair Yousufi
>
>: Simple. WD asked Sony, "Could we bring Playstation RPG's over from
>: Japan?" and Sony replied "No, we don't think the market is there." Of
>: course, now sony is bringing rpg's here on it's own ONLY because they received
>: tons of requests...
>
>Lad, which Sony owns, and WD was denied it. WD was never denied to make
>RPGs in the US.
*YOU* are wrong. Remember that Vic stated that SCea didn't believe there
was a market for rpgs in the US? That discussion lead Vic to state that
Sony had very tight controls over which games (in all genres and markets)
are made or not. He stated that if Sony didn't want to allow a game into
a market, that Sony would have the game fail the quality assurance test.
Vic stated numerous times (previously) that SCEA was (previously) very
anti-rpg in general. You've clearly distorted some facts.
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Sexton Furnival
>not going to start publishing for a platform, giving OUR seal of approval
>to OUR fans, if we only have the intent or ability to give them 1 or 2
>titles. With Sony's continuing restrictive policies, that would be the
>case.
as per the usual...
besides, every farging game you're doing for SATURN isn't an rpg either...
they are either ARPGs or [blech] strats.
what about albert odessy gaiden?
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nathan stehle
>Re: VIC: What's the scoop on WD/Sony?
>
>ok...i don't suppose *square* is going to make, oh, romasaga 4 and not port it
>as per the usual...
>
>besides, every farging game you're doing for SATURN isn't an rpg either...
>
>they are either ARPGs or [blech] strats.
>
>what about albert odessy gaiden?
Action RPG's are RPG's, just maybe not your cup of tea. And, WD started a
new label for their strategy game/puzzles/whatever. So that way, anal-retentive purists like you don't have to be confused. Iron Storm is not 'just' a
strategy game, it's different than most I have seen, and very fun and easy to
pick up and play. There is also sig. replay value. Broaden your horizons
and play it, it might actually be FUN. Maybe even more fun than whining on
the Sega group because WD isn't listening to your every whim.
Mike S Reynolds
>Re: VIC: What's the scoop on WD/Sony
>
>as per the usual..
The only thing that worries me is it seems unclear what Square's policy is
about letting other 3rd parties port their games. After all there were so
many great Squaresoft rpgs that never got picked up by Square US, yet to my
knowledge we never saw one ported by a different 3rd party either. So even if
someone like WD or even Atlus wants to port a Square game deoesn't mean its
going to happen.
>besides, every farging game you're doing for SATURN isn't an rpg either...
>they are either ARPGs or [blech] strats
Uhh...Lunar?
>what about albert odessy gaiden
If its any good I'm sure Vic is looking into it.
Mike Reynolds
Mike S Reynolds
nathan stehle <ste...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>
>Did you forget that Vic said 'Sony can bite me?' That does not bode well
>for future WD releases on the PS. Unless a radical shift happens with
>Sony of Japan (more RPG's) with 3rd party companies there and/or WD
>changes (doubtful), we aren't going to see anything soon, if ever.
True, I had forgotten about the 'bite me' thing. Still, I wouldn't be
surprised if we see some WD PSX games next year. If the opportunity to make
money and provide a decent flow of titles is there you can bet WD will at
least look into it. After a few humble apologies from Sony of course.
Mike Reynolds
Victor Ireland
>
>m...@cs.buffalo.edu (Mike S Reynolds) writes:
>
>
>>My own speculation: WD will eventually start doing games for the PSX
once
>>the RPG market opens up a little in Japan and they wouldn't have to
rely on
>>SCEJ as much. In fact I sincerely hope that WD eventually does PSX
games,
>>because if Squaresoft sticks to its old ways, half their good PSX games
>>will not be picked up by their US division.
>
>
>Did you forget that Vic said 'Sony can bite me?' That does not bode
well
>for future WD releases on the PS. Unless a radical shift happens with
>Sony of Japan (more RPG's) with 3rd party companies there and/or WD
>changes (doubtful), we aren't going to see anything soon, if ever.
>--
My favorite sign of our problems with Sony was the Christmas card from
them that arrived with postage due! I didn't even open it because it HAD
to stay perfect or no one would believe me!
DBTH - Vic
Marty Chinn
: *YOU* are wrong. Remember that Vic stated that SCea didn't believe there
: was a market for rpgs in the US? That discussion lead Vic to state that
: Sony had very tight controls over which games (in all genres and markets)
: are made or not. He stated that if Sony didn't want to allow a game into
: a market, that Sony would have the game fail the quality assurance test.
: Vic stated numerous times (previously) that SCEA was (previously) very
: anti-rpg in general. You've clearly distorted some facts.
Thats what Vic claims, but its clear that several RPGs are on their way.
King's Field even made it. Just because Vic says something, doesn't
always mean its true. The fact is WD and Vic were denied SECJ RPGs, thats
all. Vic is free to pursue other RPGs in Japan that aren't made by SECJ.
These are the facts.
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: Umair Yousufi
John Phillips Jr.
says...
>My favorite sign of our problems with Sony was the Christmas card from
>them that arrived with postage due! I didn't even open it because it HAD
>to stay perfect or no one would believe me!
> DBTH - Vic
You're kidding, right? That's incredible! Damn, talk about nervy...
nathan stehle
>Umair Yousufi (you...@ucsub.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
>: *YOU* are wrong. Remember that Vic stated that SCea didn't believe there
>: was a market for rpgs in the US? That discussion lead Vic to state that
>: Sony had very tight controls over which games (in all genres and markets)
>: are made or not. He stated that if Sony didn't want to allow a game into
>: a market, that Sony would have the game fail the quality assurance test.
>: Vic stated numerous times (previously) that SCEA was (previously) very
>: anti-rpg in general. You've clearly distorted some facts.
>Thats what Vic claims, but its clear that several RPGs are on their way.
>King's Field even made it. Just because Vic says something, doesn't
>always mean its true. The fact is WD and Vic were denied SECJ RPGs, thats
>all. Vic is free to pursue other RPGs in Japan that aren't made by SECJ.
>These are the facts.
You are saying Sony doesn't control and monitor the games that are released?
Even if they don't, do you honestly think that WD will port games after
the Arc the Lad fiasco? Yes, they could go after other games, but as
Vic has posted, outside Sony of Japan, there isn't much. Deal with it.
Sexton Furnival
>Uhh...Lunar?
uh.. christmas? uh.. a game i already own?
sure, i'm excited about it, but it's not a *big* deal because i've played
through it before and i'm planning to buy the japanese version.
it *is* my favorite rpg but...
Sexton Furnival
>new label for their strategy game/puzzles/whatever. So that way, anal-retenti
>pick up and play. There is also sig. replay value. Broaden your horizons
>and play it, it might actually be FUN. Maybe even more fun than whining on
>the Sega group because WD isn't listening to your every whim.
wouldn't you? i'm very willing to give iron storm a chance but i've found
every strategy game i've ever played to be tedious at best. working designs
doesn't have anything listed RPG for the entire year! sure, i want shining
wisdom and i pray to rayearth but there are more things than that. dragon
force looks like pootie [and i'll know tomorrow because i'm getting the latest
volume of saturn super with the playable demo on it] and i know they're going
to pick up langrisser. it's obvious. i'm sorry, WD's very foundations are in
RPGs and that's something vic's ignoring. policenauts is more of an RPG than
iron storm is.
not like i expect a nonbiased view from a WD betatester.
nukulkij poom
>Re: VIC: What's the scoop on WD/Sony?
>
>>Uhh...Lunar?
>
>uh.. christmas? uh.. a game i already own?
You seem to be forgetting that the Saturn Lunar game is supposed to be more
than just one with enhanced graphics and new music--it's supposed to have
different sub-quests and new plot twists as well. This makes it PLENTY worth
buying to me. And it's my favorite RPG too.
Poom
nukulkij poom
>Re: VIC: What's the scoop on WD/Sony?
>
>>Action RPG's are RPG's, just maybe not your cup of tea. And, WD started a
>>new label for their strategy game/puzzles/whatever. So that way, anal-retenti
>>strategy game, it's different than most I have seen, and very fun and easy to
>>pick up and play. There is also sig. replay value. Broaden your horizons
>>and play it, it might actually be FUN. Maybe even more fun than whining on
>>the Sega group because WD isn't listening to your every whim.
>
>oh, bite me. i love rayearth to bits, but i still would like a turn based rpg!
>wouldn't you? i'm very willing to give iron storm a chance but i've found
>every strategy game i've ever played to be tedious at best. working designs
>doesn't have anything listed RPG for the entire year! sure, i want shining
>wisdom and i pray to rayearth but there are more things than that. dragon
>force looks like pootie [and i'll know tomorrow because i'm getting the latest
>volume of saturn super with the playable demo on it] and i know they're going
>to pick up langrisser. it's obvious. i'm sorry, WD's very foundations are in
>RPGs and that's something vic's ignoring. policenauts is more of an RPG than
>iron storm is.
Hey Sexton, name three real turn-based RPG's that WD could bring to the US.
Couldn't do it, could you? The reason WD is focusing on ARPG's and sims is
that there aren't a whole lot of "true" RPG's for Saturn right now. It's
not WD ignoring RPG's--it's the fact that there aren't a whole lot of 'em
right now.
Poom
Marty Chinn
: You are saying Sony doesn't control and monitor the games that are released?
: Even if they don't, do you honestly think that WD will port games after
: the Arc the Lad fiasco? Yes, they could go after other games, but as
: Vic has posted, outside Sony of Japan, there isn't much. Deal with it.
I'm saying, don't just listen to Vic and think thats the whole story. So
wait now we're saying there are few games outside of Sony of Japan, so go
blame the third party companies in Japan. There are several third party
RPGs for the Saturn in Japan. It seems to me that SCEA isn't the only
person at fault here. They only denied them their games, which I can
understand. Thats like going to Nintendo and asking if you can release
their Donkey Kong Country or their Zelda, they would laugh at you. Vic
has stated before that they are a small company, so maybe that played a
roll as well. Maybe bigger companies had negotiations on SCEA/SCEJ
titles. Again we don't know all the facts, just Vic's side of the story.
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: Action RPG's are RPG's, just maybe not your cup of tea. And, WD started a
: new label for their strategy game/puzzles/whatever. So that way, anal-
: strategy game, it's different than most I have seen, and very fun and easy
: pick up and play. There is also sig. replay value. Broaden your horizons
: and play it, it might actually be FUN. Maybe even more fun than whining on
: the Sega group because WD isn't listening to your every whim.
Chris Nathan, settle down. =) I think you were a little unfair there, as
the guy posting did have a valid point; very few of the games WD are
releasing here in the next little while are NOT true JRPGs. Could you
define a game like Secret of Mana, an Action RPG, as an RPG? I guess so, but
it's not totally correct. Same point here. Lunar is, of course, true JRPG. But
games like Magical Knight Rayearth are not (though I'm not saying I won't
be the first in line where I live to pick one up). I would really love to
see Alb Ody Gdn picked up for a US release, because we don't have a long
list of 'true' JRPGs coming our way anytime soon.
I don't think the guy was bagging on strategy or ARPGs, I think he was
just saying that it would be nice to also get a nice selection of
traditional JRPGs, which I agree with.
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Victor Ireland
>King's Field even made it. Just because Vic says something, doesn't
>always mean its true. The fact is WD and Vic were denied SECJ RPGs,
thats
>all. Vic is free to pursue other RPGs in Japan that aren't made by SECJ.
>These are the facts.
The POINT is that there are only, like TWO RPG's in Japan NOT made by
Sony that are WORTH anything. Sony IS limiting the market.
- Vic
nathan stehle
>nathan stehle (ste...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: You are saying Sony doesn't control and monitor the games that are released?
>: Even if they don't, do you honestly think that WD will port games after
>: the Arc the Lad fiasco? Yes, they could go after other games, but as
>: Vic has posted, outside Sony of Japan, there isn't much. Deal with it.
>I'm saying, don't just listen to Vic and think thats the whole story. So
>wait now we're saying there are few games outside of Sony of Japan, so go
>blame the third party companies in Japan. There are several third party
>RPGs for the Saturn in Japan. It seems to me that SCEA isn't the only
>person at fault here. They only denied them their games, which I can
>understand. Thats like going to Nintendo and asking if you can release
>their Donkey Kong Country or their Zelda, they would laugh at you. Vic
>has stated before that they are a small company, so maybe that played a
>roll as well. Maybe bigger companies had negotiations on SCEA/SCEJ
>titles. Again we don't know all the facts, just Vic's side of the story.
You cannot compare Arc the Lad to Donkey Kong, sorry. Arc the Lad is not
a flagship game, nor would Sony bei doing the game a disservice by allowing
WD to port it. Fact of the matter is, Working Designs games sell. If
this game was so crucial to SCEA, then why wasn't it released by SCEA
already. Sony has known for quite some time the demand for RPG's, I'm even
on the petition. Thankfully, they listened. Sega has allowed WD to
do Popful Mail and Shining Wisdom, and these are games on a similar footing,
esp. Shining Wisdom. The Shining games are well known here and Sega could
have kept it, but since they did not want to release it, the let WD do it.
That's not to say that Sega let's 3rd party companies to do whatever they
want, but, they have been good to WD (or so it seems).
Yes, we have heard only Vic's side of the story. That makes this a dead
issue until we can get more info. I'm not saying accept only what Vic says,
but... The fact of the matter is that Vic has been soured on Sony, and for
at least a little while, we will not see and WD games for the PS.
I am still hopeful that the PS will get good RPG's. When it does, and the
price drops, I'll maybe get one, if I have the money.
So why did Sony drag their feet for so long? No one knows that either.
nathan stehle
>>Action RPG's are RPG's, just maybe not your cup of tea. And, WD started a
>>new label for their strategy game/puzzles/whatever. So that way, anal-retenti
>>strategy game, it's different than most I have seen, and very fun and easy to
>>pick up and play. There is also sig. replay value. Broaden your horizons
>>and play it, it might actually be FUN. Maybe even more fun than whining on
>>the Sega group because WD isn't listening to your every whim.
>oh, bite me. i love rayearth to bits, but i still would like a turn based rpg!
Chomp! ;)
>wouldn't you? i'm very willing to give iron storm a chance but i've found
>every strategy game i've ever played to be tedious at best. working designs
>doesn't have anything listed RPG for the entire year! sure, i want shining
>wisdom and i pray to rayearth but there are more things than that. dragon
>force looks like pootie [and i'll know tomorrow because i'm getting the latest
>volume of saturn super with the playable demo on it] and i know they're going
>to pick up langrisser. it's obvious. i'm sorry, WD's very foundations are in
>RPGs and that's something vic's ignoring. policenauts is more of an RPG than
>iron storm is.
Yes, their foundations are in RPG's, but WD is limited by what is made and what
they are allowed to port. Now, I don't really know what exactly is
available in Japan, so maybe there are games people know of that should be
ported, and I'd love to see a list. WD tries to bring over the games THEY
consider to be good and those they think will sell. Now, and Action RPG for
me is fun, as is a strateg game. Yes, Iron Storm can be tedious, but it
is one of the first games in a LONG time that I keep coming back to, and these
were still the beta versions! That also doesn't mean the game is perfect,
far from it.
So what's out there that WD is overlooking? And the Lunar games are fairly
'new' in that they are not the same old re-hashed stuff. Or else how could
they sell?
No one ever said that WD is beholden to do just RPg's, right? And let's give
them conctructive criticism instead of railing on them. Vic does address
our posts, better than any other company. It'd be a shame to see him go.
He gives his opinions, and telss us so. And we should ALWAYS give his ours.
I do want some turn-based stuff, and hopefully we'll see some. I went over the
edge in the last post, but I'm getting tired of people whining and complaining
and not giving constructive, new criticism.
Sexton Furnival
>than just one with enhanced graphics and new music--it's supposed to have
>different sub-quests and new plot twists as well. This makes it PLENTY worth
>buying to me. And it's my favorite RPG too.
breath.. but i'd sure like something new and original to go along with/before
it...
Sexton Furnival
>Couldn't do it, could you? The reason WD is focusing on ARPG's and sims is
>that there aren't a whole lot of "true" RPG's for Saturn right now. It's
>not WD ignoring RPG's--it's the fact that there aren't a whole lot of 'em
>right now.
if the schedule for the year is filled up with other games, there won't be room
for the RPG's when they *do* come out. the schedule from vic goes through..
christmas i believe? woo-ee. so we're into 97 without an rpg... oh well.
Jay Swartzfeger
vids...@netcom.com (Marty Chinn) wrote:
>: Simple. WD asked Sony, "Could we bring Playstation RPG's over from
>: Japan?" and Sony replied "No, we don't think the market is there." Of
>: course, now sony is bringing rpg's here on it's own ONLY because they received
>
>: tons of requests...
>
>And this would be totally wrong. WD asked Sony for the rights to Arc the
>Lad, which Sony owns, and WD was denied it. WD was never denied to make
>RPGs in the US.
SO WHAT'S THE REAL STORY???
Did the 'evil' Sony snub WD and the possibility of any rpg's?
Or is WD simply throwing a tantrum because they couldn't translate Arc the
Lad?
Jay
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: In article <vidsourc...@netcom.com>,
: vids...@netcom.com (Marty Chinn) wrote:
:
: >: Simple. WD asked Sony, "Could we bring Playstation RPG's over from
: >: Japan?" and Sony replied "No, we don't think the market is there." Of
: >: course, now sony is bringing rpg's here on it's own ONLY because they received
: >
: >: tons of requests...
: >
: >And this would be totally wrong. WD asked Sony for the rights to Arc the
: >Lad, which Sony owns, and WD was denied it. WD was never denied to make
: >RPGs in the US.
:
: SO WHAT'S THE REAL STORY???
:
: Did the 'evil' Sony snub WD and the possibility of any rpg's?
:
: Or is WD simply throwing a tantrum because they couldn't translate Arc the
: Lad?
: Jay
: ---
whatever the hell we feel like letting you do (to strt relations with
them) and then you have sega who you have already established a good
business relationship with saying what do you want its your. Who would
you like eh? I have only known working designs to do one system at a time
and i dont see em leaving sega anytime soon.-Chris
Victor Ireland
>
>Jay Swartzfeger (evge...@fyi.net) wrote:
>
>: SO WHAT'S THE REAL STORY???
>
>: Did the 'evil' Sony snub WD and the possibility of any rpg's?
>
>: Or is WD simply throwing a tantrum because they couldn't translate Arc
the
>: Lad?
>
I am REALLY growing quite tired of your insinuations like this. Are you
on Sony's payroll? I mean, if you have ANY history in this newsgroup,
you should KNOW that I ALWAYS tell it exactly like it is. (Witness my
warnings to people wanting 32x's last year that they were buying into a
very SHORT dead end street - this went directly against about 50% or more
of the user opinion here, and published reports, but turned out to be
TRUE)
FACT:Sony will not let anyone but Sony translate Sony Japan games. RPG's
included.
FACT:Sony has never converted an RPG.
FACT:Sony declared that there was not tangible market for RPG's when the
system launched. (They've since changed their public tune, but with only
2 first-party RPG's announced - big deal)
FACT:Arc the Lad was a good choice for release in September 1995, but in
Fall/Winter 1996, will look mighty dated, even with part two packed-in.
FACT:Besides RPG's made BY SONY, there are perhaps TWO that would be
suitable for licensing to the US. Their policy of not allowing third
parties to port RPG's they don't pick up IS hurting RPG releases HERE.
If you'd like, I can number them so you can keep your facts straight in
the future.
Don't Believe the Hype -
Vic
Xdar
> The POINT is that there are only, like TWO RPG's in Japan NOT made by
> Sony that are WORTH anything. Sony IS limiting the market.
How 'bout Genso Suikoden? (or is that one of the two...)
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Marty Chinn
: vids...@netcom.com (Marty Chinn) writes:
: >Jay Swartzfeger (evge...@fyi.net) wrote:
: >: SO WHAT'S THE REAL STORY???
: >: Did the 'evil' Sony snub WD and the possibility of any rpg's?
: >: Or is WD simply throwing a tantrum because they couldn't translate Arc the
: >: Lad?
: >There is more truth in the latter question.
: There is? What basis do you have for this BLATANT assumption? Yes, Vic
: is very peeved, and as a result, WD will likely never do a PS game. But,
: why did Sony wait so long to bring over Arc the Lad? Hm? WD offered to do it
: BEFORE the PS was released in the US. Don't assume, you what what will
: happen then... As much as you would like to believe Sony is nice and fluffy,
: they are a company, and they want to make money. So they sat on a game until
: they were wready to do it. Case closed.
My basis is from other companies who are Sony developers looking into
RPGs and other Japanese ports, as well as people at Sony. Sony never said
to WD to any effect "You can't do an RPG on the PSX" They simply said
more to the effect "You can't do our RPGs on the PSX" I don't think Sony
is all nice and fluffy, but I don't think Working Designs or Vic stated
the whole truth either. Vic why don't you go ask Square to do one of
their games, get the point Nathan?
Mike S Reynolds
Marty Chinn <vids...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>: Or is WD simply throwing a tantrum because they couldn't translate Arc the
>: Lad?
>
>There is more truth in the latter question.
Ok, Marty, you're taking this a little too far. I hope this isn't because
WD won't subtitle RayEarth like you wanted. Fact is, WD is out to make
money, and I doubt they'd let Sony porting Arc the Lad stop them from doing
*any* PSX titles.There are other reasons, as Vic has tried to explain to you
before. If I recall correctly WD wanted to port Guardian Heroes
but Sega took it, I don't remember WD "throwing a tantrum" about it.
Finally, Arc the Lad really ain't that hot a game. It's no big loss for
WD. WD isn't doing PS titles because 1.) SCEA won't let them do any SCEJ
titles, even ones they have no plans to port(which is a retarded move on
SCEA's part), 2.) there are few, if any, non-SCEJ quality RPGs for the PSX,
and 3.) Sony treated WD like shit. (3.) is probably the least significant.
And if you're going to act like an authority on the WD/Sony situation,
let's hear some sources. Otherwise I'll just assume you have no idea what
you're talking about. Vic has explained the situation quite clearly several
times, it seems you just don't want to accept it.
Mike Reynolds
nukulkij poom
VIc's response to Marty's post should be enough to prove this. That and the
fact that Marty has NO proof to back up what he claims. It doesn't happen
often, but Marty's nothing but a clueless imp in this discussion.
Poom
Sexton Furnival
>is very peeved, and as a result, WD will likely never do a PS game. But,
>why did Sony wait so long to bring over Arc the Lad? Hm? WD offered to do it
they did a pretty timely announcement of beyond the beyond...
sony works in mysterious ways. i suppose.
John Phillips Jr.
says...
>>: Or is WD simply throwing a tantrum because they couldn't translate Arc
>the
>>: Lad?
>>
>>There is more truth in the latter question.
>
>on Sony's payroll? I mean, if you have ANY history in this newsgroup,
>you should KNOW that I ALWAYS tell it exactly like it is. (Witness my
>warnings to people wanting 32x's last year that they were buying into a
>very SHORT dead end street - this went directly against about 50% or more
>of the user opinion here, and published reports, but turned out to be
>TRUE)
>
>FACT:Sony will not let anyone but Sony translate Sony Japan games. RPG's
>included.
>
>FACT:Sony has never converted an RPG.
>
>FACT:Sony declared that there was not tangible market for RPG's when the
>system launched. (They've since changed their public tune, but with only
>2 first-party RPG's announced - big deal)
>
>FACT:Arc the Lad was a good choice for release in September 1995, but in
>Fall/Winter 1996, will look mighty dated, even with part two packed-in.
>
>FACT:Besides RPG's made BY SONY, there are perhaps TWO that would be
>suitable for licensing to the US. Their policy of not allowing third
>parties to port RPG's they don't pick up IS hurting RPG releases HERE.
>
>If you'd like, I can number them so you can keep your facts straight in
>the future.
>
>
> Don't Believe the Hype -
>
> Vic
Hey, Vic. Don't take it personally. He's just got his panties in a bunch
because you wouldn't subtitle Rayearth. I did notice that statement on his
part was rather snide. Oh well, thanks for telling us what really went on.
Marty Chinn
: FACT:Sony will not let anyone but Sony translate Sony Japan games. RPG's
: included.
: FACT:Sony has never converted an RPG.
: FACT:Sony declared that there was not tangible market for RPG's when the
: system launched. (They've since changed their public tune, but with only
: 2 first-party RPG's announced - big deal)
: FACT:Arc the Lad was a good choice for release in September 1995, but in
: Fall/Winter 1996, will look mighty dated, even with part two packed-in.
: FACT:Besides RPG's made BY SONY, there are perhaps TWO that would be
: suitable for licensing to the US. Their policy of not allowing third
: parties to port RPG's they don't pick up IS hurting RPG releases HERE.
: If you'd like, I can number them so you can keep your facts straight in
: the future.
And if you look, none of this has to do with Sony denying you to make
RPGs, Sony just denied you their RPGs. Which shows truth to the latter,
you wanted Arc the Lad, and you didn't get it. Sony NEVER said you
couldn't port RPGs made by another company. I didn't see you trying to
port Square games over that didn't make it here for the SNES, why not?
There are RPGs in Japan made by third party companies. Sony won't let you
port theirs, live with it. This does not mean you can't follow after
other RPGs. Why not go after Konami's RPG? Why not go after Air Land
Battle? There are many other games.
:
: Don't Believe the Hype -
:
: Vic
nathan stehle
>My basis is from other companies who are Sony developers looking into
>RPGs and other Japanese ports, as well as people at Sony. Sony never said
>to WD to any effect "You can't do an RPG on the PSX" They simply said
>more to the effect "You can't do our RPGs on the PSX" I don't think Sony
>is all nice and fluffy, but I don't think Working Designs or Vic stated
>the whole truth either. Vic why don't you go ask Square to do one of
>their games, get the point Nathan?
Um, why would WD make stuff up? I mean, slander libel and all that fun
stuff. I have said many times and will say it again...DUH! I know that
WD was not refused to do other RPG's (do I have to scream?), but... the
fact remains that Sony soured any possible WD efforts for their system.
I agree, it would be silly to ask Square, but consider that Popful Mail
was done by Sega of Japan, as was Shining Wisdom, and you negelct these
(I should say released) when taking into account the Arc the Lad stuff.
The fact is Sony SAT on this game when WD was ready to do the game.
BJ Atchley
>Victor Ireland (SMR...@prodigy.com) wrote:
>: FACT:Sony will not let anyone but Sony translate Sony Japan games. RPG's
>: included.
>: FACT:Sony has never converted an RPG.
>: FACT:Sony declared that there was not tangible market for RPG's when the
>: system launched. (They've since changed their public tune, but with only
>: 2 first-party RPG's announced - big deal)
>: FACT:Arc the Lad was a good choice for release in September 1995, but in
>: Fall/Winter 1996, will look mighty dated, even with part two packed-in.
>: FACT:Besides RPG's made BY SONY, there are perhaps TWO that would be
>: suitable for licensing to the US. Their policy of not allowing third
>: parties to port RPG's they don't pick up IS hurting RPG releases HERE.
>: If you'd like, I can number them so you can keep your facts straight in
>: the future.
>And if you look, none of this has to do with Sony denying you to make
>RPGs, Sony just denied you their RPGs. Which shows truth to the latter,
>you wanted Arc the Lad, and you didn't get it. Sony NEVER said you
>couldn't port RPGs made by another company. I didn't see you trying to
>port Square games over that didn't make it here for the SNES, why not?
>There are RPGs in Japan made by third party companies. Sony won't let you
>port theirs, live with it. This does not mean you can't follow after
>other RPGs. Why not go after Konami's RPG? Why not go after Air Land
>Battle? There are many other games.
>:
I could of sworn Vic wrote that there were only about 2 3rd party
RPG's worth porting. Oh and they have only ported 1 card game I think
I beleive he also wrote earlier that he didn't want to port only
1 or 2 games to the Playstation which is all he'd be able to do right now.
Besides Marty why do you care Sony's porting the game and if you think
the playstation has tons of great RPG's in japan then learn Japanese
and buy the import.
I can understand you wanting to play devil's advocate all the time
but this isn't contributing anything this isn't "setting the facts straight"
and it sure isn't helping anyone, so leave it alone.
In fact I don't think you've contributed anything since the
stupid sub or dub threads. Oh and being annoying isn't gonna make Vic change
his mind I bet.
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Marty Chinn
: VIc's response to Marty's post should be enough to prove this. That and the
: fact that Marty has NO proof to back up what he claims. It doesn't happen
: often, but Marty's nothing but a clueless imp in this discussion.
Vic's response further proved my point. Lets take a look back at the post
that started the current discussion.
SO WHAT'S THE REAL STORY???
Did the 'evil' Sony snub WD and the possibility of any rpg's?
Or is WD simply throwing a tantrum because they couldn't translate Arc the
Lad?
Jay
---
I stated the latter was more true. Sony NEVER said WD could not port
RPGs. Sony said WD could not port THEIR RPGs. Thus the latter is more
true. Look at Vic's response. Every single fact he points out has to do
with them porting Sony RPGs, not the possibility of them doing any RPGs
or strategy games. There are several out there in Japan. While there are
more on the Saturn, there are still several to choose from on the PSX. I
wish I could back up with other examples, but I'm not allowed to cite
sources.
: Poom
Shannara21
Sexton Furnival
>The fact is Sony SAT on this game when WD was ready to do the game.
and now.. it's confirmed. you can't successfully release a short game like
that in america... it's a less understanding market.
Marty Chinn
: Um, why would WD make stuff up? I mean, slander libel and all that fun
I'm not saying he made stuff up, but only expressed it from his point of
view. I've heard various stories about the situation from other people.
The stories change. If it wasn't for some of the info from these other
people, then I would probably think everything Vic is saying is
completely true. Well it is to a certain extent, but there is more to the
whole picture.
: stuff. I have said many times and will say it again...DUH! I know that
: WD was not refused to do other RPG's (do I have to scream?), but... the
: fact remains that Sony soured any possible WD efforts for their system.
: I agree, it would be silly to ask Square, but consider that Popful Mail
: was done by Sega of Japan, as was Shining Wisdom, and you negelct these
: (I should say released) when taking into account the Arc the Lad stuff.
: The fact is Sony SAT on this game when WD was ready to do the game.
Then we are pretty much in agreement. I wish everyone else could see
this. WD was only denied SCEA/SCEJ RPGs, nothing more. That is why it is
more true that WD was a bit pissed cuz of Arc the Lad, rather than Sony
saying they couldn't do RPGs. I do agree Sony sat on Arc the Lad, but
that still doesn't mean they were denied RPGs. Sony is new to this, and
while I'm not trying to say its right, I am saying they will probably
learn from their mistakes. They now are releasing it, so it seems
somewhat they have. That doesn't mean it still didn't cost them. But why
doesn't Vic complain about Square denying them conversions? It would be
somewhat the same situation. One company denying them their RPGs, not
RPGs to the entire system.
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Marty Chinn
: Hey, Vic. Don't take it personally. He's just got his panties in a bunch
: because you wouldn't subtitle Rayearth. I did notice that statement on his
: part was rather snide. Oh well, thanks for telling us what really went on.
Look at the original response, and you will see Vic just further proved
my point. The original said did Sony snub WD from RPGs, or is WD just mad
cuz they didn't get Arc the Lad. Fact, Sony denied them all SCEA/SCEJ
games which includes Arc the Lad. Fact, Sony never said they couldn't do
RPGs. Thus again, the latter is true. Look at Vic's facts, they support
the latter statement more than the first.
Marty Chinn
: I could of sworn Vic wrote that there were only about 2 3rd party
: RPG's worth porting. Oh and they have only ported 1 card game I think
There are a couple out there, with several new ones coming. Newest
PlayStation magazine now shows Ogre Battle, and a couple other games that
looked interesting.
: I beleive he also wrote earlier that he didn't want to port only
: 1 or 2 games to the Playstation which is all he'd be able to do right now.
: Besides Marty why do you care Sony's porting the game and if you think
: the playstation has tons of great RPG's in japan then learn Japanese
: and buy the import.
My point in the entire discussion was that WD was not denied to make
RPGs, just Sony's RPGs, and that part is true. That has nothing to do
with my disgust in the lack of RPGs.
: I can understand you wanting to play devil's advocate all the time
: but this isn't contributing anything this isn't "setting the facts straight"
: and it sure isn't helping anyone, so leave it alone.
: In fact I don't think you've contributed anything since the
: stupid sub or dub threads. Oh and being annoying isn't gonna make Vic change
: his mind I bet.
What? This is trying to set the facts straight. Fact, WD can make RPGs on
the Sony PlayStation if they wished. Fact, WD was only denied the
releases of SCEA/SCEJ's games. These are the facts. If Vic doesn't like
the third party RPGs on the PSX, thats his opinion and he doesn't have to
pursue them, but I think its stupid to say they were denied to make RPGs
or Sony is the evil party. I mean why don't they complain about say
Square? Square didn't release several RPGs, why didn't WD go after those?
They probably would have been denied as well, would he have said Square
can bite me?
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nathan stehle
>nathan stehle (ste...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>: Um, why would WD make stuff up? I mean, slander libel and all that fun
>I'm not saying he made stuff up, but only expressed it from his point of
>view. I've heard various stories about the situation from other people.
>The stories change. If it wasn't for some of the info from these other
>people, then I would probably think everything Vic is saying is
>completely true. Well it is to a certain extent, but there is more to the
>whole picture.
Ah-hah! It seeps in!!!! Still, VIc said there isn't much worth pursuing,
esp. now with all their Saturn titles they have slated. But quoting
vague rumors and sources does nothing for the argument. Let it go
already.
nathan stehle
>I stated the latter was more true. Sony NEVER said WD could not port
>RPGs. Sony said WD could not port THEIR RPGs. Thus the latter is more
>true. Look at Vic's response. Every single fact he points out has to do
>with them porting Sony RPGs, not the possibility of them doing any RPGs
>or strategy games. There are several out there in Japan. While there are
>more on the Saturn, there are still several to choose from on the PSX. I
>wish I could back up with other examples, but I'm not allowed to cite
>sources.
If there aren't more than one or two, be quiet. If there are, please list
the titles. This argument is going nowhere, Marty. If you have so
much time on you hands, why not post some reviews??
nathan stehle
>John Phillips Jr. (joph...@vt.edu) wrote:
>: Hey, Vic. Don't take it personally. He's just got his panties in a bunch
>: because you wouldn't subtitle Rayearth. I did notice that statement on his
>: part was rather snide. Oh well, thanks for telling us what really went on.
>Look at the original response, and you will see Vic just further proved
>my point. The original said did Sony snub WD from RPGs, or is WD just mad
>cuz they didn't get Arc the Lad. Fact, Sony denied them all SCEA/SCEJ
>games which includes Arc the Lad. Fact, Sony never said they couldn't do
>RPGs. Thus again, the latter is true. Look at Vic's facts, they support
>the latter statement more than the first.
Yes, and the government is hiding the knwoledge of extraterrestrials too.
Marty, face it, this argument is dead. What post of Vic's are you reading?
The one that requires a secret decoder ring?
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>What? This is trying to set the facts straight. Fact, WD can make RPGs on
>the Sony PlayStation if they wished. Fact, WD was only denied the
>releases of SCEA/SCEJ's games. These are the facts. If Vic doesn't like
>the third party RPGs on the PSX, thats his opinion and he doesn't have to
>pursue them, but I think its stupid to say they were denied to make RPGs
>or Sony is the evil party. I mean why don't they complain about say
>Square? Square didn't release several RPGs, why didn't WD go after those?
>They probably would have been denied as well, would he have said Square
>can bite me?
Then why hasn't Vic said "Sega can bite me?" when they wanted to do
Guardian Heroes? Fact of the matter is, Sony sat on Arc the Lad. Fact
of the matter is, WD will not do RPG's for the PS. fact of the matter is,
not all companies hold back games (Popful Mail and Shining Wisdom) from
3rd party publishers who want to port them. See Marty? No one
can say what happened from the Sony point of view. It's dead, this argument
and the liklihood that we will see tons of RPG's on the PS. Let it go.
I will say no more, this is REALLY pointless (I have helped here, too!)
Mike S Reynolds
>my point. The original said did Sony snub WD from RPGs, or is WD just mad
>cuz they didn't get Arc the Lad. Fact, Sony denied them all SCEA/SCEJ
>games which includes Arc the Lad. Fact, Sony never said they couldn't do
>RPGs. Thus again, the latter is true. Look at Vic's facts, they support
>the latter statement more than the first.
Marty you sure have a twisted way of looking at things. First Yu Suzuki's
statement about porting VF3 and now this. If anything Vic's post supported
the first statement, that SCEA snubbed WD out of doing PS RPGs. This is
because there really isn't much else besides SCEJ rpgs to port, and WD
wants to have a steady release schedule for the systems they support. The
fact that SCEA decided to port Arc the Lad themselves is almost
incosequential. The main thing is that SCEA won't let anyone else
port SCEJ games, *even those they have no plans to port themselves*.
Mike Reynolds
Danielle Rios
working designs approach SCEA they were in fact anti rpg thier change in
attitude to rpg's is newly found. Jay these is another worthless post you
started here if you want saturn games buy a saturn that simple. If you
wanna complain about third parties not doing games for sony there is
something called the sony newsgroup. Marty get off vic's back your
sources should have already told ya that other third parties have not
liked sony's treatment that much either. Yeah marty you never add to a
thread for no absolute reason other than to argue and i am sure that i
should take your word over vic's cause he has nothing better to do than
sit here and spit out anti sony propaganda! I guess this is part of the
on going quest to get subtitles in rpg's by annoying the hell outta a
guy like vic who has done nothing but add to the greatness of this
newsgroup. Gee marty from your post i'd almost think that you were
biased toward playstation but i bet your one of those people who claims
out of ignorance of themselves that they are truly objective right? I am
amazed that vic has the patience to deal with some of the people on this
group truly amazed.-Chris
p.s. i'll ask even though i know it wont happen
but let this post die!
Joe Ottoson
Chinn) wrote:
> What? This is trying to set the facts straight. Fact, WD can make RPGs on
> the Sony PlayStation if they wished. Fact, WD was only denied the
> releases of SCEA/SCEJ's games. These are the facts. If Vic doesn't like
> the third party RPGs on the PSX, thats his opinion and he doesn't have to
> pursue them, but I think its stupid to say they were denied to make RPGs
> or Sony is the evil party. I mean why don't they complain about say
> Square? Square didn't release several RPGs, why didn't WD go after those?
> They probably would have been denied as well, would he have said Square
> can bite me?
>
I seem to recall Vic saying that WD doesn't do cart games. Kinda kills the
Square argument...
--
Till we meet again...
Jay Swartzfeger
SMR...@prodigy.com (Victor Ireland) wrote:
>FACT:Arc the Lad was a good choice for release in September 1995, but in
>Fall/Winter 1996, will look mighty dated, even with part two packed-in.
Good point, Vic.
I don't know about the gameplay, but Arc's graphics just look like souped
up 16 bit's. And when the 2d gen Saturn/PSX games come Xmas '96, it will
look very dated.
MoJo
In Article<4jhrs4$p...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, <pnuk...@students.uiuc.edu> write:
>
> so...@singe.com (Sexton Furnival) writes:
>
> >Re: VIC: What's the scoop on WD/Sony?
>
> >
>
> >>Uhh...Lunar?
>
> >
>
> >uh.. christmas? uh.. a game i already own?
>
>
> You seem to be forgetting that the Saturn Lunar game is supposed to be more
> than just one with enhanced graphics and new music--it's supposed to have
> different sub-quests and new plot twists as well. This makes it PLENTY
worth
> buying to me. And it's my favorite RPG too.
>
> Poom
>
Yeah! Look at it like this: Do you like chocolate ice cream? yum!
How about if we add hot fudge and peanuts? ooooOOOOOooooooyeah
Lunar Remix is Lunar-Plus...a bigger and better version of a lovely game.
MJ
Marty Chinn
: Marty you sure have a twisted way of looking at things. First Yu Suzuki's
: statement about porting VF3 and now this. If anything Vic's post supported
: the first statement, that SCEA snubbed WD out of doing PS RPGs. This is
: because there really isn't much else besides SCEJ rpgs to port, and WD
: wants to have a steady release schedule for the systems they support. The
: fact that SCEA decided to port Arc the Lad themselves is almost
: incosequential. The main thing is that SCEA won't let anyone else
: port SCEJ games, *even those they have no plans to port themselves*.
The part about lack of third party RPGs is absolutely not true. Here is a
list I made of PSX RPGs, both Sony and third party and there are a decent
ammount. This list contains only the ones that looked interesting and I'm
sure I left out several.
Vandal Hearts
Wild Arms
Ogre Battle
Persona
Popolo Crois
Breath of Fire 3
Final Fantasy 7
King's Field 3
Arc the Lad
Arc the Lad 2
Beyond the Beyond
Big War Tactic (?)
A RPG by Takara
Romance of the Three Kingdoms 5
Feda Remix
Air Land Battle
Angelic Special
Genso Suikoden
Sure not all of those will be probably available to Vic and Working
Designs, but thats a far cry from only a couple outside of Sony being
worth porting. Again I know I left out several as well. As for companies
not licensing games out, Sony isn't the only one who practices this so
don't make it sound like Sony does this exclusively. If Konami doesn't
release Policenauts and Vic is denied, are they going to get the same
treatment? You can keep bringing up Guardian Heroes but that is being
ported over.
: Mike Reynolds
Victor Ireland
a
>list I made of PSX RPGs, both Sony and third party and there are a
decent
>ammount. This list contains only the ones that looked interesting and
I'm
>sure I left out several.
<snipping list of 15 or so titles>
But, better than half of the ones on that list are not out in Japan yet,
3 are not RPG (they're strategy), some are distant fantasy, and of the
unreleased titles only about 5 have conversion potential (i.e. they're
good, regardless of who does them).
>As for companies
>not licensing games out, Sony isn't the only one who practices this so
>don't make it sound like Sony does this exclusively. If Konami doesn't
>release Policenauts and Vic is denied, are they going to get the same
>treatment?
You STILL don't get it. Konami is NOT a hardware manufacturer. Sony IS.
Sony should create policies that will GROW their HARDWARE sales. BFD if
Konami doesn't license stuff to us, I'm not crying. But if Sony, the
company that has, bar none, the MOST RPG titles under development for the
playstation makes ridiculous policies prohibiting a willing Sony of Japan
(which they are) from licensing stuff to us, THAT's a problem.
Regardless, you STILL will not get it, because you don't WANT to. Thank
you for giving me the opportunity to close out another thread that's
become tiresome.
William Geiger
>You STILL don't get it. Konami is NOT a hardware manufacturer. Sony IS.
> Sony should create policies that will GROW their HARDWARE sales. BFD
if
>Konami doesn't license stuff to us, I'm not crying. But if Sony, the
>company that has, bar none, the MOST RPG titles under development for
the
>playstation makes ridiculous policies prohibiting a willing Sony of
Japan
>(which they are) from licensing stuff to us, THAT's a problem.
>
>Regardless, you STILL will not get it, because you don't WANT to. Thank
>you for giving me the opportunity to close out another thread that's
>become tiresome.
Don't mean to be bothersome. But a friend of mine needs the codes for
Exile 1&2. could you post them? Thanks