Battle Arena Toshinden-Best 3-D game?
Byakoshinken
NobodyClassic wrote:
>In article <4m6j13$f...@igor.rutgers.edu>, taco says...
>>
>>I think Toshinden is the best fighting game because you don't always
>>have to fight straight up. If you're getting your @$$ kicked, you can
>>escape. The fighting never gets old even though the moves are sometimes
>>hard to get(give me Ellis and watch me work!) The graphics are great as
>>well as the music(is their any way to buy the game soundtrack on tape?)
>>What do the rest of you think?
> Toshinden series is one of the worst fighters ever. Nice graphics,
> no gameplay.
> VF2 was the best polygon fighter yesterday, and it still is the best
> polygon fighter you can play today.
Gotta disagree. IMO TK2 is the best followed by Soul Edge than BAT2
Eric Smith
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I felt that BAT was crap. I like personally a touch of realism. Sorry but
when I hit my oponent with a kitana he's gonna be be messed up! And the game
runs too slow for my tase, and I thought the majority of the special attacks
look dumb. I am talking about the psx version, I haven't bothered to rent the
saturn because I'm pretty sure it's at least as bad.
IMO VF2,TEKKEN2,SOUL EDGE is the pecking order.
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Michael N. Hidalgo
Byakoshinken (eat...@usl.edu) wrote:
: NobodyClassic wrote:
:
: >In article <4m6j13$f...@igor.rutgers.edu>, taco says...
: >>
: >>I think Toshinden is the best fighting game because you don't always
: >>have to fight straight up. If you're getting your @$$ kicked, you can
: >>escape. The fighting never gets old even though the moves are sometimes
: >>hard to get(give me Ellis and watch me work!) The graphics are great as
: >>well as the music(is their any way to buy the game soundtrack on tape?)
: >>What do the rest of you think?
:
: > Toshinden series is one of the worst fighters ever. Nice graphics,
: > no gameplay.
:
: > VF2 was the best polygon fighter yesterday, and it still is the best
: > polygon fighter you can play today.
:
: Gotta disagree. IMO TK2 is the best followed by Soul Edge than BAT2
:
I support the first poster. I know it's not a popular view, especially
to "serious" fighting game aficionados, but BAT is a really fun game.
Being able to roll to the side is a really unique function that makes
the game much more visually/physically dynamic than a lot of other
fighters. People who are not really into fighters, who don't have
the same level of skill as seasoned veterans, can jump into the action
easily -- which is great when most of your friends don't keep current
with videogames. I won't say it's the best of all time, but I think
it's revolutionary in its sheer accessibility and visual bravura...
IMHO,
Mike, NYU
Baked
Toshinden series is one of the worst fighters ever. Nice graphics,
>> no gameplay. VF2 was the best polygon fighter yesterday, and it still is the best polygon fighter you can play today.
>
>Gotta disagree. IMO TK2 is the best followed by Soul Edge than BAT2
>
K., but if you're playing around near the edge and you fall off, it's your own damn fault and it shouldn't take anyone else to hit y=
ou in order to get a RING OUT. I'll stick Soul Edge under all the aforementioned games.
-'The Total Package'
Ed Giangrande
In <4md1f3$c...@news.net-connect.net> eat...@usl.edu (Byakoshinken)
writes:
>NobodyClassic wrote:
>
>>In article <4m6j13$f...@igor.rutgers.edu>, taco says...
>>>
>>>I think Toshinden is the best fighting game because you don't always
>>>have to fight straight up. If you're getting your @$$ kicked, you
can
>>>escape. The fighting never gets old even though the moves are
sometimes
>>>hard to get(give me Ellis and watch me work!) The graphics are great
as
>>>well as the music(is their any way to buy the game soundtrack on
tape?)
>>>What do the rest of you think?
>
>> Toshinden series is one of the worst fighters ever. Nice graphics,
>> no gameplay.
>
>> VF2 was the best polygon fighter yesterday, and it still is the
best
>> polygon fighter you can play today.
>
>Gotta disagree. IMO TK2 is the best followed by Soul Edge than BAT2
But can you play those in the USA without having to get an import or a
convertor??
Vo, Charles H.
In article <4mdh8o$f...@igor.rutgers.edu>, Baked <fin...@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> writes...
> Toshinden series is one of the worst fighters ever. Nice graphics,
>>> no gameplay. VF2 was the best polygon fighter yesterday, and it still is the best polygon fighter you can play today.
>>
>>Gotta disagree. IMO TK2 is the best followed by Soul Edge than BAT2
>>
>K., but if you're playing around near the edge and you fall off, it's your own damn fault and it shouldn't take anyone else to hit y=
>ou in order to get a RING OUT. I'll stick Soul Edge under all the aforementioned games.
> -'The Total Package'
>
VF series are really just 2D fighters with occasional 3D effects.
Byakoshinken
If your talking about only home games then BAT would be best 3D game
because it's the only one out there. However when Soul Edge hits the
PSX then you have a differnent story. hey lets make a new category.
Whats the best 2d-1/2 game?
Alex
Byakoshinken wrote:
>
> NobodyClassic wrote:
>
> >In article <4m6j13$f...@igor.rutgers.edu>, taco says...
> >>
> >>I think Toshinden is the best fighting game because you don't always
> >>have to fight straight up. If you're getting your @$$ kicked, you can
> >>escape. The fighting never gets old even though the moves are sometimes
> >>hard to get(give me Ellis and watch me work!) The graphics are great as
> >>well as the music(is their any way to buy the game soundtrack on tape?)
> >>What do the rest of you think?
>
> > no gameplay.
>
> > VF2 was the best polygon fighter yesterday, and it still is the best
> > polygon fighter you can play today.
>
> Gotta disagree. IMO TK2 is the best followed by Soul Edge than BAT2
Come on......BAT2....It is one of the worst fighting games i have seen.
Yeah, the graphics are great but how about game play! If the arcade is
OK the PSX version is not going to be that hot. You are going to loose
the game play. I guess I can agree about TK2, but it really depends on
what kind of game you like. If I go to the arcade (which I rarly do) I
usually go to VF2 not TK2. Some people might do different.
Well...whatever, like I said...I good game is in the eye of the one who
is playing. I bet if you look hard enough you could find a diehard
CYBERIA player.
vejita
On Fri, 3 May 1996, Eric Smith wrote:
>I felt that BAT was crap. I like personally a touch of realism. Sorry but
>when I hit my oponent with a kitana he's gonna be be messed up! And the game
>runs too slow for my tase, and I thought the majority of the special attacks
>look dumb. I am talking about the psx version, I haven't bothered to rent the
>saturn because I'm pretty sure it's at least as bad.
>IMO VF2,TEKKEN2,SOUL EDGE is the pecking order.
I agree that TSD is only in it for the eye, not for the mind. But in Soul Edge
people get hit with glaves and katanas and glove knivey kind of things, they'd
be pretty messed up in that as well.
My pecking order?
Tekken2, VF2, Fighting Vipers, Virtua(L?) On (does that count?)
Damnit, should've bought a Saturn! =)
Michael Arguello
hit really hard in the face wouldn't it be pretty neat if the character
got a bloody nose, a bruise, or a cut lip(Unlike gallons of blood
squirting out whenever you touch your opponent in the MK series)? But if
they added blood in Toshinden I would hate to see how a smally person like
Fo would look after getting pounded by Rungo's big club. Ugh. Get a mop!!!
Joe Ottoson
In article <4mecb4$e...@news.net-connect.net>, eat...@usl.edu
(Byakoshinken) wrote:
> >i agree BAT looks like the best 3D fighter out there. Tekken series and
> >VF series are really just 2D fighters with occasional 3D effects.
>
> If your talking about only home games then BAT would be best 3D game
> because it's the only one out there. However when Soul Edge hits the
> PSX then you have a differnent story. hey lets make a new category.
> Whats the best 2d-1/2 game?
If people are going to nitpick this much, I'd just like to point out that
no game will be 3d on current TV sets. (They're all 2d games)
Always remember...
Real faith is objective.
MAL
> >>I said BAT was the best 3-D fighter, not the best 2-D trying to be
> >> 3-D(VF, VF2 & Tekken1 are 2-D for the most part.)
> >i agree BAT looks like the best 3D fighter out there. Tekken series and
> >VF series are really just 2D fighters with occasional 3D effects.
> If your talking about only home games then BAT would be best 3D game
> because it's the only one out there.
What a crock of shit!
The VF and TK series are 3-D because gameplay takes place on a 3-D
playing field. The same can't be said for the SF series which takes
place on a 2-D playing field. If any of you have played VF or VF2 for
any length of time you would notice that the players do not stay on a 2-D
line during gameplay (i.e., the exchanging of hits, getting up, dodging
moves, etc., etc. shifts position around the 3-D ring).
Granted, BAT may have more "3-D" moves (like the roll) for each player,
this does not inherently make the game any better since a simple and
stupid way to win is to roll, thrust, roll, thrust, and so on. While,
OTOH, VF2 (and VF for that matter) have loads of strategy that avoid
stupid combinations like the one above. Don't get me wrong, I like BAT
for what it offers ... but it doesn't do anything to perpetuate strategy
like the VF and TK series do.
MAL
Charles Doane
Joe Ottoson wrote:
>
> In article <4mecb4$e...@news.net-connect.net>, eat...@usl.edu
> (Byakoshinken) wrote:
> > >VF series are really just 2D fighters with occasional 3D effects.
> >
> > If your talking about only home games then BAT would be best 3D game
> > PSX then you have a differnent story. hey lets make a new category.
> > Whats the best 2d-1/2 game?
>
> If people are going to nitpick this much, I'd just like to point out that
> no game will be 3d on current TV sets. (They're all 2d games)
>
> Always remember...
>
John E Larkspur
Michael N. Hidalgo (mnh...@is2.nyu.edu) wrote:
: : >In article <4m6j13$f...@igor.rutgers.edu>, taco says...
: : >>
: : >>I think Toshinden is the best fighting game because you don't always
: : >>have to fight straight up. If you're getting your @$$ kicked, you can
: : >>escape. The fighting never gets old even though the moves are sometimes
: : >>hard to get(give me Ellis and watch me work!) The graphics are great as
: : >>well as the music(is their any way to buy the game soundtrack on tape?)
: : >>What do the rest of you think?
[biased followups deleted]
: I support the first poster. I know it's not a popular view, especially
: to "serious" fighting game aficionados, but BAT is a really fun game.
: Being able to roll to the side is a really unique function that makes
: the game much more visually/physically dynamic than a lot of other
: fighters. People who are not really into fighters, who don't have
: the same level of skill as seasoned veterans, can jump into the action
: easily -- which is great when most of your friends don't keep current
: with videogames. I won't say it's the best of all time, but I think
: it's revolutionary in its sheer accessibility and visual bravura...
I've had the same experience. For some reason people who you can't
get to play any sort of fighter will gladly soak in a few hours of TSD.
It also helps that it's difficult for a veteran fighter to dominate, so
the weaker fighter doesn't get frustrated and the stronger doesn't have
to play dumbed down. Basically, TSD has two things going for it:
1) Accessibility
2) Best music in a non-SNK fighting game.
While I like the graphics much better than Tekken's style (and almost on
par with VF2's), it's occurred to me that these would be really boring
character designs if they weren't wielding weapons. Oh, and some
backgrounds are beautiful (others are blah). If you're having trouble
getting someone into fighting games, show them TSD, and wait until
they're skilled enough to play you in the more complex games.
-Lark
John E Larkspur
Baked (fin...@eden-backend.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: Toshinden series is one of the worst fighters ever. Nice graphics,
: >
: >Gotta disagree. IMO TK2 is the best followed by Soul Edge than BAT2
: I said BAT was the best 3-D fighter, not the best 2-D trying to be 3-D(VF,
: VF2 & Tekken1 are 2-D for the most part.) Soul Edge is O.K.
If that's how you're going to define it, then King of Fighters 95 is
the best 3-D game. Now if you said 3-D fighters with 3-D graphics and
3-D moves that start with the letter "T", then I'd have to vote for
Toshinden.
-Lark
Craig A. Jensen
In article <jlarkDq...@netcom.com>, jl...@netcom.com says...
> I've had the same experience. For some reason people who you can't
>get to play any sort of fighter will gladly soak in a few hours of TSD.
>It also helps that it's difficult for a veteran fighter to dominate, so
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the weaker fighter doesn't get frustrated and the stronger doesn't have
>to play dumbed down. Basically, TSD has two things going for it:
> 1) Accessibility
> 2) Best music in a non-SNK fighting game.
This just isn't true. The veteran fighter will slaughter them. If I
play Ellis, you simply cannot roll for no reason if you're anywhere close
to me. If I'm feeling lazy, I'll do:
* Homing blue flame jump into you so that her flash kick hits you
coming out of the roll, then crouching light punch you 1 or 2 times, then
light dragon punch you. Done properly, this is a combo and *cannot* be
prevented once the first hit lands (which it does because you get a free
hit on them coming out of the roll.) The last hit does knockdown also.
* If I'm feeling less lazy or you're too close for the blue flame
jump to hit you, I can do combos starting with crouching heavy punch or
her crouching light kick slide, doing intervening hits, and ending with a
dragon punch.
So the veteran quickly reduces the beginner into *never* rolling
unnecessarily. But once they stop rolling (remember, they're just
beginners and so they probably think of rolls as being "good" or "bad";
you have just demonstrated to them--by hitting them out of rolls--that
rolls are "bad") you can just annihilate them with a high-low game.
Oh yeah, they also just can't do *any* special moves against the veteran
fighter, since they don't know the proper place to use them. The result
is that you kill them during the recovery time of special moves. You
also kill them during the recovery time of any heavy attack, and if
you're positioned correctly you can make them pay for light attacks.
---
I do, however, think TSD is nice for beginners and average players to
play together. It is reasonably easy to pick up the basics of the game,
and people who don't like fighters do like it.
-Craig
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Adam Hendershot
Vo, Charles H. wrote:
>
> i agree BAT looks like the best 3D fighter out there. Tekken series and
> VF series are really just 2D fighters with occasional 3D effects.
Tekken is fully 3-dimensional, it simply doesen't allow you to move
through it freely. Some of the characters have moves "to the side," such
as Armor King and Heiachi. The 3-dimensional nature of the arena is even
more pronounced in Tekken2; You're always kicking empty air. :)
Adam
good man charlie brown
No, no. The original poster meant that Tekken overall wasn't a true 3D game.
Yes, the fighters are 3D as in the VF series, but look at the background. It's
clearly 2D.
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Robbie Tarte
>>>>
>>>>Gotta disagree. IMO TK2 is the best followed by Soul Edge than BAT2
This is getting too ridiculous. Why dont you just say "I LOVE MY
PLAYSTATION" you retard. Tell me how any of the above games compare to VF2
in terms of anything (Graphics=Hi-res, 60FPS and Gameplay it is agreed
that gameplay in VF2 is the deepest yet). You seem like the kind of person
who doesnt play fighting games, rather, you just look them over and make a
decision based on your favourite system. RIDICULOUS.
>
> If your talking about only home games then BAT would be best 3D game
> because it's the only one out there. However when Soul Edge hits the
> PSX then you have a differnent story. hey lets make a new category.
> Whats the best 2d-1/2 game?
>
BAT is the only one out there??? - Why cuz you can roll to the side??.
There is dodging moves for some characters in VF2 - does that make it part
3-d or not?. This discussion has been had before. All of the above
mentioned games are considered 3-d because the Cpu keeps track of all
fighters in 3 dimensions and not just 2. If the game uses polygons then it
is a 3-d brawler. Rolling to the side is a useless trick in BAT but the
action still takes place from a side view. It has too take place from a
side view - the game would be unplayable otherwise. A true 3-d fighting
game would mean you could walk anywhere at anytime during play - imagine
the problems that would cause - unless you were wearing VR type glasses
then you would spend half and hour trying to figure out if your lined
upwith you opponent. Think about it!
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really can we have anybody that stupid? I mean for a fighting game
toshiden is lame at best. Samurai Showdown 2 has more depth. As a 3D
fighting game there is no comparison Virtua Fighter, Virtua Fighter 2, Last
Bronx&fighting vipers (I'm preety sure) and even virtua figher2 kids all
kick bat ass. . .
I would even put up those crappy tekken's over BAT
Jeremy McGlaughlin
In article <Graberc.36...@coral.indstate.edu>,
Gra...@coral.indstate.edu (Christian) wrote:
heh, Sony. Takes all kinds I guess... When will this virtua
fighter/tekken/BAT shit stop?
Jeremy
Roger Williams
Christian (Gra...@coral.indstate.edu) wrote:
: really can we have anybody that stupid? I mean for a fighting game
: toshiden is lame at best. Samurai Showdown 2 has more depth. As a 3D
: fighting game there is no comparison Virtua Fighter, Virtua Fighter 2, Last
: Bronx&fighting vipers (I'm preety sure) and even virtua figher2 kids all
: kick bat ass. . .
: I would even put up those crappy tekken's over BAT
"BALLZ- THE DIRECTORS CUT" for 3DO had more depth than BAT!
No kidding!
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mcglau...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeremy McGlaughlin) sez:
>In article <Graberc.36...@coral.indstate.edu>,
>Gra...@coral.indstate.edu (Christian) wrote:
>> really can we have anybody that stupid? I mean for a fighting game
>> toshiden is lame at best. Samurai Showdown 2 has more depth. As a 3D
>> fighting game there is no comparison Virtua Fighter, Virtua Fighter 2, Last
>> Bronx&fighting vipers (I'm preety sure) and even virtua figher2 kids all
>> kick bat ass. . .
>>
>> I would even put up those crappy tekken's over BAT
>heh, Sony. Takes all kinds I guess... When will this virtua
>fighter/tekken/BAT shit stop?
Seriously. To each their own. Toshinden happens to be my fave (SLIGHTLY
over VF 1 & 2), if only because it's the first one I bumped into, and I got
attached to it. (Not only that, but Toshinden has Ellis. Reason enough.)
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Thomas Holmes
I bought the games the day it appeared in the stores took it home popped
it in the machine turned the machine on played, looked then quickly put
it back in the box and exchanged it for VF2.
Battle Arena Toshinden Remix is the poorest 3D fighting game I have ever
played and the controls are a crime.
Anyone who recomends this title is either insane, evil or on the payrole
of games distrubution company.
Just go to your local store, close you're eyes, turn around seven times
and grab the first games that you find! I'll guaranty its better than
BATR!
Tommy
Gregory S Usberti
Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.video.sega: 9-May-96 Re: Battle Arena
Toshinden-.. by Roger Will...@max.tiac.
>
> : really can we have anybody that stupid? I mean for a fighting game
> : fighting game there is no comparison Virtua Fighter, Virtua Fighter
2, Last
> : Bronx&fighting vipers (I'm preety sure) and even virtua figher2 kids all
> : kick bat ass. . .
>
> : I would even put up those crappy tekken's over BAT
>
> No kidding!
> --
BAT, while not chock full of strategy is a fun fighting game, that is
very easy for beginers to pick up and have some fun with. I admit it
has MASSIVE gameplay flaws, but the rolling technique is a very neat,
trully 3-d evasion, and some of the specials are very impressive
looking.
OH yea, the graphics obliterate VF, VFR and samurai shodown 2.
Greg Usberti
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> > If your talking about only home games then BAT would be best 3D game
> > because it's the only one out there. However when Soul Edge hits the
> > PSX then you have a differnent story. hey lets make a new category.
> > Whats the best 2d-1/2 game?
>
> no game will be 3d on current TV sets. (They're all 2d games)
Well, if you're gonna nitpick that much I'd like to point out that you
can move in 3 dimensions in BAT, 2 dimensions in Tekken. There is a
difference in the style of gameplay.
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Michael Arguello
>BAT, while not chock full of strategy is a fun fighting game, that is
>very easy for beginers to pick up and have some fun with. I admit it
>has MASSIVE gameplay flaws, but the rolling technique is a very neat,
>trully 3-d evasion, and some of the specials are very impressive
>looking.
>
>OH yea, the graphics obliterate VF, VFR and samurai shodown 2.
>
I agree. Its just for plain fun. I rented it at Blockbuster and I had fun
with it. Im a beginner so I guess thats why I like it. I hope I don't
become a diehard fighing game freak by the time Toshinden 2 for Saturn
comes out.
loy...@on.bell.ca
In <31924E...@nicom.com>, Thomas Holmes <to...@nicom.com> writes:
>Battle Arena Toshinden Remix is the poorest 3D fighting game I have ever
>played and the controls are a crime.
You should remember that you were playing the BAT port to Saturn. Why don't
you try the PS version. I can guarentee you that the graphics and controls
are much better. Have you not been reading the on going discussion on how
the Saturn is not as good as the PS when dealing in 3D.
>Anyone who recomends this title is either insane, evil or on the payrole
>of games distrubution company.
Sure I guess anybody who recommends this game for the Saturn should be shot.
Loy.
Djutmose
True, BAT Remix is awful. i think most people are talking about the PSX
version, though, which is a bit more playable . .
Dragonmaster Lou
loy...@on.bell.ca wrote:
>You should remember that you were playing the BAT port to Saturn. Why don't
>you try the PS version. I can guarentee you that the graphics and controls
>are much better. Have you not been reading the on going discussion on how
>the Saturn is not as good as the PS when dealing in 3D.
I guess you've never seen VF2, Sega Rally, Panzer Dragoon 2, the
previews of Nights, Virtua On, etc...
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>You should remember that you were playing the BAT port to Saturn. Why don't
>you try the PS version. I can guarentee you that the graphics and controls
>are much better. Have you not been reading the on going discussion on how
>the Saturn is not as good as the PS when dealing in 3D.
Great, just what we need. Another bonehead in rvg Sega and Sony. Just
what makes you so SURE that the PSX version is so much better? Sure,
it may have cleaner graphics, but that's about it. They are both
essentially the same game, gameplay wise. Also, IMO, the Saturn's
control are much better.
>>Anyone who recomends this title is either insane, evil or on the payrole
>>of games distrubution company.
>Sure I guess anybody who recommends this game for the Saturn should be shot.
And I guess anyone who thinks the Saturn is inferior to the PSX should
be shot, hanged, and fed to a bunch of alligators.
Biased people like you should just crawl of to a cave and die a very
unpleasant death.
>Loy.
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In article <4n10h7$s...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, djut...@aol.com (Djutmose)
wrote:
> True, BAT Remix is awful. i think most people are talking about the PSX
> version, though, which is a bit more playable . .
Gee, I never had any trouble getting BATR to do exactly what I wanted it to do.
(Only have been RO'ed twice too)
While the graphics did suffer, the gameplay did not.
good man charlie brown
In article <Dr77x...@on.bell.ca>, loy...@on.bell.ca writes:
>In <31924E...@nicom.com>, Thomas Holmes <to...@nicom.com> writes:
>>Battle Arena Toshinden Remix is the poorest 3D fighting game I have ever
>>played and the controls are a crime.
>
>you try the PS version. I can guarentee you that the graphics and controls
>are much better. Have you not been reading the on going discussion on how
>the Saturn is not as good as the PS when dealing in 3D.
BAT sucks on any system, period. I have the PS version, and it reeks.
>
>>Anyone who recomends this title is either insane, evil or on the payrole
>>of games distrubution company.
>
>Sure I guess anybody who recommends this game for the Saturn should be shot.
>
>Loy.
You're an obvious Sony fanatic. It's a shame that you don't open yourself to
new gaming possibilities.
nukulkij poom
aj...@dimensional.com (Allan T Ottoson) writes:
>In article <4n10h7$s...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, djut...@aol.com (Djutmose)
>wrote:
>> True, BAT Remix is awful. i think most people are talking about the PSX
>> version, though, which is a bit more playable . .
>Gee, I never had any trouble getting BATR to do exactly what I wanted it to do.
>(Only have been RO'ed twice too)
>While the graphics did suffer, the gameplay did not.
IMO, the gameplay in each game blows big _____. It's kinda cool if you've
never seen or played another 3D fighting game, but real fighting game fans
just won't find it appealing for long. Button mashing is not for me.
Poom
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~pnukulki
Peter Ronaszeki
aj...@dimensional.com (Allan T Ottoson) writes:
>In article <4n10h7$s...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, djut...@aol.com (Djutmose)
>wrote:
>> True, BAT Remix is awful. i think most people are talking about the PSX
>> version, though, which is a bit more playable . .
>Gee, I never had any trouble getting BATR to do exactly what I wanted it to do.
>(Only have been RO'ed twice too)
>While the graphics did suffer, the gameplay did not.
I guess so...
But who cares anyway? Tohshinden 1 is an OLD game.
Tohshinden 2 is quite different - still not that great, but a very
polished product that emphasises reflexes, evasion, and comboing rather
than complex moves like VF2 and TK2. BAT2 has a place among fighting
games (and the graphics engine is great!). When I first played it I HATED
it since its less instinctive than the first one, but now I love playing
it for a relaxing, mindless beat-em-up (sort of like SF:RBOF/Movie, if you
could enjoy that you'll enjoy this).
The Tohshinden series gets more criticisms then it deserves... seems like
it is fashionable nowadays to attack anything that isn't like VF/TK...?
ie. "MK3 sucks!" "Tohshinden sucks!" "SF:RBOF/Movie sucks!" etc.
If you are a real fan of fighting games, you'll be able to enjoy all of
these games for the good points that they offer.
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pred...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Peter Ronaszeki) wrote:
>aj...@dimensional.com (Allan T Ottoson) writes:
>I guess so...
>But who cares anyway? Tohshinden 1 is an OLD game.
>Tohshinden 2 is quite different - still not that great, but a very
>polished product that emphasises reflexes, evasion, and comboing rather
>than complex moves like VF2 and TK2. BAT2 has a place among fighting
>games (and the graphics engine is great!). When I first played it I HATED
>it since its less instinctive than the first one, but now I love playing
>it for a relaxing, mindless beat-em-up (sort of like SF:RBOF/Movie, if you
>could enjoy that you'll enjoy this).
>The Tohshinden series gets more criticisms then it deserves... seems like
>it is fashionable nowadays to attack anything that isn't like VF/TK...?
>ie. "MK3 sucks!" "Tohshinden sucks!" "SF:RBOF/Movie sucks!" etc.
>If you are a real fan of fighting games, you'll be able to enjoy all of
>these games for the good points that they offer.
There seems to be a lot of disgruntled gamers who feel cheated by BAT
because they were lured in by the great visuals and then found no
involving gameplay underneath. This is a bunch of hooey in my
opinion. No, BAT is not the paragon of deep gameplay. What fighting
game is? (please don't throw VF or Tekken at me - whether it's one
foot of water or two feet, it's still shallow). As a matter of fact,
what console game is?
BAT is a well-presented fighting game. It is as enjoyable to me as
VF, VF2, Tekken and so on have been to me. Of course, this is for
different reasons.
It's just seems fashionable right now to say BAT sucks. The pathetic
sheep who followed the herd to buy BAT in the first place now must
follow the herd again to say BAT sucks.
well, I like BAT and I'll probably buy BAT2 because, from what I've
heard, they've added most of what I thought was lacking in the first
one.
---------------------------------------------*
Setting his death ray blaster on "frappe", our
hero sets off in search of alien weirdness!
Michael Arguello
characters have a lot of good personality. I can't wait for BAT 2 for PSX
and Saturn.
loy...@on.bell.ca
In <4n3rf9$n...@paraguay.it.earthlink.net>, vs...@earthlink.net (Magus) writes:
>
>Great, just what we need. Another bonehead in rvg Sega and Sony. Just
>what makes you so SURE that the PSX version is so much better? Sure,
>it may have cleaner graphics, but that's about it. They are both
>essentially the same game, gameplay wise. Also, IMO, the Saturn's
>control are much better.
>
Hmm, I'm sorry you got that first impression about me. I guess I should have
qualified with IMHO instead of "guarentee."
One question: Do you really believe this port is essentially the same game?
Another question: Do you believe that the PC port is essentially the same game?
>>>Anyone who recomends this title is either insane, evil or on the payrole
>>>of games distrubution company.
>
>>Sure I guess anybody who recommends this game for the Saturn should be shot.
>
>And I guess anyone who thinks the Saturn is inferior to the PSX should
>be shot, hanged, and fed to a bunch of alligators.
>
>Biased people like you should just crawl of to a cave and die a very
>unpleasant death.
>
I'm also sorry you misunderstood my comment here since I thought the comment
that I was responding to was even more biased. I was just wanted to add just
another stupid comment.
But I feel that from your response and your other posting (that I have noticed),
you seem to have quite the biased opinion yourself. Sorry no quotes, just an
opinion. So follow your same advice.
Thanks for listening.
Loy.
loy...@on.bell.ca
In <3194e2e3...@news.brown.edu>, Dragon...@brown.edu (Dragonmaster Lou) writes:
>loy...@on.bell.ca wrote:
>
>>You should remember that you were playing the BAT port to Saturn. Why don't
>>you try the PS version. I can guarentee you that the graphics and controls
>>are much better. Have you not been reading the on going discussion on how
>>the Saturn is not as good as the PS when dealing in 3D.
>
>previews of Nights, Virtua On, etc...
>
So I guess you don't think that either machine has an edge in 2D or 3D?
I guess I have to say that the games mentioned above are good games but I
have one question...As a person that hasn't played this games, don't these
games have a 2D engine? (ie. In PD2, are you really moving in 3D or is it like
Tekken where it looks like 3D but really it's not)
Please, no blasting the question ... it's just a simple question.
I have to say that the Saturn has the edge in 2D games. That doesn't mean that
the PSX cannot come out with a really good 2D game but it does say that
the programmers should have an easier time on the Saturn.
Ian McLean
>BAT sucks on any system, period. I have the PS version, and it reeks.
Oh? If it sucks, then why do you have it? I quite like it. Much smoother
than Tekken, IMO.
Ian
good man charlie brown
I have it because it was one of the few games available on Sept. 9. You're
joking, right? I think Tekken is a rather average game but the motion captured
players are silky smooth as opposed to BAT's jerky animated polygons.
Ian McLean
st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (good man charlie brown) writes:
>In article <ianm.988...@trumpet.com.au>, ia...@trumpet.com.au (Ian McLean) writes:
>>In article <4n5f9o$q...@masala.cc.uh.edu> st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (good man charlie brown) writes:
>>
>>
>>>BAT sucks on any system, period. I have the PS version, and it reeks.
>>
>>Oh? If it sucks, then why do you have it? I quite like it. Much smoother
>>than Tekken, IMO.
>I have it because it was one of the few games available on Sept. 9. You're
>joking, right? I think Tekken is a rather average game but the motion captured
>players are silky smooth as opposed to BAT's jerky animated polygons.
Well, I have yet to see any jerky animation in BAT. I did find Tekken fun
after a while, but it also seems very restrictive. The movements quite often
seem small and jerky. I suppose that was because I played BAT for a long time
before I checked out Tekken properly. Anyway, this thread is about 3-D games,
not games like Tekken.
Ian
Magus
>Hmm, I'm sorry you got that first impression about me. I guess I should have
>qualified with IMHO instead of "guarentee."
>One question: Do you really believe this port is essentially the same game?
Yes. If you have played both versions, you would find that they are
almost identical (besides the obvious graphical downgrade for the
Saturn). The gameplay is still intace...which in my opinion is weak.
>Another question: Do you believe that the PC port is essentially the same game?
I haven't played it yet (and have no desire to do so), so I cannot
comment on it.
>I'm also sorry you misunderstood my comment here since I thought the comment
>that I was responding to was even more biased. I was just wanted to add just
>another stupid comment.
Apology taken.
>But I feel that from your response and your other posting (that I have noticed),
>you seem to have quite the biased opinion yourself. Sorry no quotes, just an
>opinion. So follow your same advice.
Wait, wait. Just because I posted a reply to your post, saying that
both versions are exellent in their respect, makes me bias?
Truthfully, everyone is biased in his/her own way. I admit, I'm
biased. I do, however, believe that both systems are great. Nuff said
But, I do however remain firm in my opinion, whether you agree or not.
Both versions of Toshinden are the same, with the exception of the
graphics, the PSX being better.
>Loy.
The supreme and almighty,
MAGUS
VISIT MY HOMEPAGE!
http://home.earthlink.net/~vsoun/index.html
loy...@on.bell.ca
In <4n5f9o$q...@masala.cc.uh.edu>, st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (good man charlie brown) writes:
>In article <Dr77x...@on.bell.ca>, loy...@on.bell.ca writes:
>>In <31924E...@nicom.com>, Thomas Holmes <to...@nicom.com> writes:
>>>of games distrubution company.
>>
>>Sure I guess anybody who recommends this game for the Saturn should be shot.
>>
>
>You're an obvious Sony fanatic. It's a shame that you don't open yourself to
>new gaming possibilities.
>
Read my comment again, please. I said that whoever recommends BAT Remix (ie.
for the Saturn) should be shot. That means that I don't like this port over
to the Saturn, NOT, "I think the Saturn sucks." A lot of people want to argue
the old "PSX vs Saturn" debate.
I guess everyone jumps on my comment but forgets to read the comment that I
am responding to. Does anyone say that if anyone recommends or hates a game
then he/she must be "insane, evil or on the payrole ..."?
I was just upset about the comment.
Sure I open myself up to other gaming possibilities, but the whole thread was
about "BAT - Best 3D game" not "BATR - Best 3D game." Somehow someone made this
into a "PSX vs. Saturn" thread. My original post just stated that you should
try the PSX version to respond to other people's posts.
One trend I found on this group is that once you voice your opinion (how small
it is) towards one system, you are labeled as a PSX or Saturn fanatic.
Thomas Holmes
loy...@on.bell.ca wrote:
>
> In <4n5f9o$q...@masala.cc.uh.edu>, st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (good man charlie brown) writes:
> >In article <Dr77x...@on.bell.ca>, loy...@on.bell.ca writes:
> >>In <31924E...@nicom.com>, Thomas Holmes <to...@nicom.com> writes:
> >>>Anyone who recomends this title is either insane, evil or on the payrole
> >>>of games distrubution company.
> >>Sure I guess anybody who recommends this game for the Saturn should be shot.
> Read my comment again, please. I said that whoever recommends BAT Remix (ie.
> for the Saturn) should be shot. That means that I don't like this port over
> to the Saturn, NOT, "I think the Saturn sucks." A lot of people want to argue
> the old "PSX vs Saturn" debate.
>
> One trend I found on this group is that once you voice your opinion (how small
> it is) towards one system, you are labeled as a PSX or Saturn fanatic.
I didn't want to start a cross platform slagging match. I personnaly
didn't like the game and felt angry that I had belived the hype about
this game reported in games mags. The whole game was just so badly done
and shallow. I don't see how the playstation version can be really that
much better as I think the whole game control is flawed. This is a news
group on Sega video games so may be people sould just give there comments
on oncurrent Sega platform titles rather than comparing PSX to Saturn.
Someone sould start the "rec.games.video.sega-v-psx.fist-fight" newsgroup
just for those people who want to write reams about who one system sucks
when compared to the other.
Tommy
Magus
<rest of post deleted>
Funny, I found your post about whoever recommending Saturn BATR must
be shot very stupid and one-minded. I know you meant something else,
but think before posting this again.
Just because someone recommends BATR for the Saturn doesn't deserve to
'be shot'. Alot of people thinks that BAT for teh Saturn is great, as
is the PlayStation.
John E Larkspur
nk.net> <DrCL4...@on.bell.ca> <4nbd3h$v...@ecuador.it.earthlink.net>:
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Magus (vs...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: >Hmm, I'm sorry you got that first impression about me. I guess I should have
: >qualified with IMHO instead of "guarentee."
: >One question: Do you really believe this port is essentially the same game?
: Yes. If you have played both versions, you would find that they are
: almost identical (besides the obvious graphical downgrade for the
: Saturn). The gameplay is still intace...which in my opinion is weak.
Magus, you're usually right about this stuff, but you're wrong here.
Like Wipeout for the Saturn, Toshinden is dumbed down a bit by changing
one of the variables. Rolling is more powerful in Toshinden remix
because the characters don't track each other as quickly (you see alot
more attacking in the wrong direction on the Saturn version). Also, one
of the ways to beat someone who constantly rolls in the PSX version is to
walk up and throw them during that short window of recovery. You can't
do this in the Saturn version because it takes too long to line your
characters up on the X-Y axis and I think the throw range is smaller.
It sounds like a small detail, but it has a huge gameplay effect given
the heavy reliance on 3D movement.
-Lark
ps. yes, i did just say that even Toshinden can be dumbed down
Michael Arguello
loy...@on.bell.ca wrote:
>About BAT, I really like this game but I have to agree the gameplay (ie.
>versus the CPU) really is not that great. I can always get to Gaia but I
>can never defeat him. I found this game one of my favourites because I always
>play it with my friends. This way the challenge and rewards are much higher.
>Have you ever used Sofia to slap around (her throw move) her opponent? Trust
>me, it quite a laugh. I also like how you can avoid fireball by sidestepping.
>
>Let me recap, I think the game control is good but the CPU stratagy (sp?)
>really needs a lot of work.
I agree that move where Sofia picks you up and starts slapping you silly
really cracked me up. I also cracked up when Fo starts walking on his
claws. I agree the game is fun but the CPU is really wimpy. Since Sega is
doing the conversion of TSD 2 to Saturn with the SGL I bet they will make
the gameplay better and the CPU more tough. I found TSD 2 to be really
unbalanced because moves that required only a few bottons to be tapped or
some movements on the D-pad could rediculously take of like 50% of your
opponents life bar. I also hope Sega puts in some CG or hopefully anime in
place of the really crappy FMV intro. I almost puked my guts out when I
saw the FMV beginning!!!
loy...@on.bell.ca
In <319A40...@nicom.com>, Thomas Holmes <to...@nicom.com> writes:
>> Read my comment again, please. I said that whoever recommends BAT Remix (ie.
>> for the Saturn) should be shot. That means that I don't like this port over
>> to the Saturn, NOT, "I think the Saturn sucks." A lot of people want to argue
>> the old "PSX vs Saturn" debate.
>>
>> One trend I found on this group is that once you voice your opinion (how small
>> it is) towards one system, you are labeled as a PSX or Saturn fanatic.
>
>I didn't want to start a cross platform slagging match. I personnaly
>didn't like the game and felt angry that I had belived the hype about
>this game reported in games mags. The whole game was just so badly done
>and shallow. I don't see how the playstation version can be really that
>much better as I think the whole game control is flawed. This is a news
>group on Sega video games so may be people sould just give there comments
>on oncurrent Sega platform titles rather than comparing PSX to Saturn.
>Someone sould start the "rec.games.video.sega-v-psx.fist-fight" newsgroup
>just for those people who want to write reams about who one system sucks
>when compared to the other.
I sure like that newsgroup title. I would definitely not subscribe to that
group since it would be full of "PSX/Saturn SUCKS just because!" articles.
Magus
> I agree that move where Sofia picks you up and starts slapping you silly
>really cracked me up. I also cracked up when Fo starts walking on his
>claws. I agree the game is fun but the CPU is really wimpy. Since Sega is
>doing the conversion of TSD 2 to Saturn with the SGL I bet they will make
>the gameplay better and the CPU more tough. I found TSD 2 to be really
>unbalanced because moves that required only a few bottons to be tapped or
>some movements on the D-pad could rediculously take of like 50% of your
>opponents life bar. I also hope Sega puts in some CG or hopefully anime in
>place of the really crappy FMV intro. I almost puked my guts out when I
>saw the FMV beginning!!!
Yup, the FMV was pure crap. Did you see Sofia? *shudder*
Roushi
>In article <4n5f9o$q...@masala.cc.uh.edu> st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (good man charlie brown) writes:
>
>
>>BAT sucks on any system, period. I have the PS version, and it reeks.
>
>Oh? If it sucks, then why do you have it? I quite like it. Much smoother
>than Tekken, IMO.
>
>Ian
Ahh B.S....Tekken is much more smooth than BAT..when i first played
the demo of BAT, i thought the animation was jerky cause it was a
demo..damn i wish i was right...BAT woud be much more pleasing if it
had smoother animation...
the total lack of strategy never really bothered me..it's one of those
games to beat just for the hell of it whenever ya feel like it..
BAT2 was a definate improvement though..it added SOME elements from
Tekken 2 (rolling to the side after getting knocked down, ground
pounces, etc) and improved the control a tad.
I own both BAT games and i'l admit that i enjoy playing them now and
then, but overall, i'll pick Tekken 2 over either ()and Jumping Fash 2
over that)..
I have no idea how good VF 2 is, i haven't played it more than 5
minutes or so, so i'mnot going to say Tekken 2 is the best fighting
game ever..but it IS pretty damn good, and i can't wait to get a
saturn (after playing Panzer Dragoon Zwei, i feel this odd urge to run
out and rob Best Buy silly)
-Roushi
Striving for peace amongst gamers
Roushi
>st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (good man charlie brown) writes:
>
>>In article <ianm.988...@trumpet.com.au>, ia...@trumpet.com.au (Ian McLean) writes:
>>>In article <4n5f9o$q...@masala.cc.uh.edu> st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (good man charlie brown) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>BAT sucks on any system, period. I have the PS version, and it reeks.
>>>
>>>Oh? If it sucks, then why do you have it? I quite like it. Much smoother
>>>than Tekken, IMO.
>
>
>>I have it because it was one of the few games available on Sept. 9. You're
>>joking, right? I think Tekken is a rather average game but the motion captured
>>players are silky smooth as opposed to BAT's jerky animated polygons.
>
>Well, I have yet to see any jerky animation in BAT. I did find Tekken fun
>after a while, but it also seems very restrictive. The movements quite often
>seem small and jerky. I suppose that was because I played BAT for a long time
>before I checked out Tekken properly. Anyway, this thread is about 3-D games,
>not games like Tekken.
>
>Ian
I belive the defination of a 3-d Game should be:
Any game where you can stand next to someone, kick them, and miss
because you were facing just a bit too far to the left to hit with the
kick.
Anyone who's played Tekken 2 as King knows what i mean...
Tekken really is like...2.5 D..heihachi is the only character with 3-d
movement..but in Tekken 2 there are roll arounds, along with plenty of
3d sidesteps..
Magus
> Magus, you're usually right about this stuff, but you're wrong here.
>Like Wipeout for the Saturn, Toshinden is dumbed down a bit by changing
>one of the variables. Rolling is more powerful in Toshinden remix
>because the characters don't track each other as quickly (you see alot
>more attacking in the wrong direction on the Saturn version). Also, one
>of the ways to beat someone who constantly rolls in the PSX version is to
>walk up and throw them during that short window of recovery. You can't
>do this in the Saturn version because it takes too long to line your
>characters up on the X-Y axis and I think the throw range is smaller.
>It sounds like a small detail, but it has a huge gameplay effect given
>the heavy reliance on 3D movement.
Well, first of all, I have to say that I've never like to play
Toshinden in the first place. I have the PSX version, and I rented the
Saturn version to try it out. I didn't play the Saturn version long
enough to compare the controls to the PSX (the game was just too
horrible). My mistake.
>-Lark
>ps. yes, i did just say that even Toshinden can be dumbed down
Michael Arguello
>Yup, the FMV was pure crap. Did you see Sofia? *shudder*
>
>The supreme and almighty,
>MAGUS
>
Ugh yes. I'd rather go out with Rosie O'Donnel than with that horde!!!!
Blah!!!
Magus
> Ugh yes. I'd rather go out with Rosie O'Donnel than with that horde!!!!
>Blah!!!
She looks like a complete drunk. Was she smoking before they took that
shot?
The supreme and almighty,
MAGUS
VISIT MY HOMEPAGE!
Michael Arguello
Well Toshinden for Saturn is watered down in graphics but at least not as
bad as Toshinden for PC!!! I almost puked all over the place when I saw
it!! The buildings in Kayin's stage are totally gone and all the other
backgrounds are screwed up!! If someone forced me to buy the Saturn or PC
version of Toshinden I'd buy Saturn Toshinden almost too quickly.
Oh and the box art sucks too.
Michael Arguello
I think the character's cultures are mixed up in this like why is Kayin
who is Scottish fighting in a ring that is along the buildings of New
York? Why does Eiji have mariachi/rock music in a Japanese stage(although
the music for his stage is kinda cool). Why does Ellis have techno music
for her stage? Mondo's stage is pretty much culturally active because it
sounds like its in Japan and it looks like its in Japan. Kayin really has
a better accent than Toshinden PSX. He kinds sounds like Groundskeeper
Willie from the Simpsons except younger. I bet the guys from MST3K would
LOVE to trash the conversation scenes between fights in the story mode.
Kayin: Did you kill my father? Crow T. Robot: You'll win the dollie if you
guess it right!!
Brian Mulhollon
The worst stage, by far, seems to be Duke's. While it makes perfect
sense with his being a Knight, the Saturn can't handle the textures on
the walls very well. The whole background is always moving; it really
seems alive. Duke, himself, seems to be the ugliest charcter in the
Saturn version. This pains me as I loved the way he looked in TSD2 for
the PSX, but having sold my PSX I'm left with Remix. I don't think it is
in any way as bad as it has been made out to be; to tell the truth, I
like Cupido quite a bit and the story mode gives it a certain charming
cheesiness the PSX original didn't have. I felt really bad when Mondo
beat Rungo and told him he needed more than strength; Rungo responds "But
I only know one way to fight." Poor guy, won't find his wife and son.
Sure it doesn't look that great and the moves are quite limited, it is,
in its own way, a really fun fighting game. I do hope TSD2 eventually
comes to Saturn with the same sort-of off beat charm as Remix.
Michael Arguello
Brian Mulhollon <mul...@earth.execpc.com> wrote:
>Sure it doesn't look that great and the moves are quite limited, it is,
>in its own way, a really fun fighting game. I do hope TSD2 eventually
>comes to Saturn with the same sort-of off beat charm as Remix.
game. Sure TSD 2 for Saturn will probably have awesome graphics but I hope
they put in conversation scenes for it to give it that cheesy charm which
kinda works. The anime like character drawings look great they they look
better in TSD 2. I am probably the only person in the world who likes the
music of Kayin's stage while everyone else winces at the thought of it.
Gamefan really bashed this game when they reviewed it. Remember when Nick
Rox said at the end of his review "lets pray they don't attempt TSD 2".
Well lets pray they make it great. But of course we shouldn't trust Nick
Rox since he is such a loser. Yes I agree Duke does look ugly. I think the
funniest character in the game is Fo. He tips like a dog and he walks on
his claws. Besides he also has that fart move. Working Designs would love
the game I bet. Sofia's slapping move is hilarious and that thing where
Ellis jumps on your sholders and tips you over is pretty funny. But I must
say the character designs of TSD 2 is great. Oh and I heard TSD 2 is 30%
complete. Did anyone see it at E3? AND CAN SOMEONE PHULEEZZZEEE TELL ME IF
DAYTONA USA CIRCUT ED. WAS THERE??? I gotta see how that sucker looks!!
Ian McLean
In article <319ba2ae...@news.usa.pipeline.com> j...@usa.pipeline.com (Roushi) writes:
>On Tue, 14 May 1996 13:50:43 GMT+1100, ia...@trumpet.com.au (Ian
>McLean) wrote:
>>In article <4n5f9o$q...@masala.cc.uh.edu> st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (good man charlie brown) writes:
>>
>>
>>>BAT sucks on any system, period. I have the PS version, and it reeks.
>>
>>Oh? If it sucks, then why do you have it? I quite like it. Much smoother
>>than Tekken, IMO.
>>
>>Ian
>Ahh B.S....Tekken is much more smooth than BAT..when i first played
No BS!!! It really *is* my opinion!! (Not stated as fact). To clarify, I
didn't mean the hardware wasn't handling it or the software was badly written,
I believe they both turned out exactly as they were supposed to. It's just
that in Tekken, the characters seem to have short, quick movements whereas in
BAT, they flow more smoothly and realistically. I admit they are sometimes
slow to respond, though.
Ian
Peter Ronaszeki
ia...@trumpet.com.au (Ian McLean) writes:
>No BS!!! It really *is* my opinion!! (Not stated as fact). To clarify, I
>didn't mean the hardware wasn't handling it or the software was badly written,
>I believe they both turned out exactly as they were supposed to. It's just
>that in Tekken, the characters seem to have short, quick movements whereas in
>BAT, they flow more smoothly and realistically. I admit they are sometimes
>slow to respond, though.
Well, the flow "realistically" part can be opinion...
But as far as flowing "smoothly", there is nothing subjective about
30FPS (BAT1and2) vs. 60FPS (Tekken1and2).
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>Well, the flow "realistically" part can be opinion...
>But as far as flowing "smoothly", there is nothing subjective about
>30FPS (BAT1and2) vs. 60FPS (Tekken1and2).
Excuse me for butting in guys, but I think Tekken is much *smoother*
than Toshinden. Just my 2 cents.
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Ian McLean
>ia...@trumpet.com.au (Ian McLean) writes:
>>No BS!!! It really *is* my opinion!! (Not stated as fact). To clarify, I
>>didn't mean the hardware wasn't handling it or the software was badly written,
>>I believe they both turned out exactly as they were supposed to. It's just
>>that in Tekken, the characters seem to have short, quick movements whereas in
>>BAT, they flow more smoothly and realistically. I admit they are sometimes
>>slow to respond, though.
>Well, the flow "realistically" part can be opinion...
>But as far as flowing "smoothly", there is nothing subjective about
>30FPS (BAT1and2) vs. 60FPS (Tekken1and2).
That still isn't what I meant. I don't mean frame rates, I mean the
characters themselves feel jerky, *to me*. I played BAT for ages, then gave
Tekken a go and found that the movements seem short and jerky, when you are
close to your opponent especially. You don't jump smoothly without running
and it is rather difficult to do flying kicks. And yes, it still is
subjective how smooth a game runs whether it is 30fps or 60fps. It is not
just the frame rate that affects it, but the game mechanics also. Tekken
seemed very stop-start after BAT, to me.
Ian