Do Sega Executives smoke crack ? Or are they just retards ?
Warpig
their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
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Warpig <rhayden...@dbm.state.md.us.invalid> wrote in message
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Real Life
<goo...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> Wow... then Sony execs. must smoke crack for losing $100+ for
> every PS2 sold right? It's business.
Meryll Lynch pegged it as a $180 loss for each PS2 sold in
Japan. And the really sad thing is that software sales for
the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL. No one's buying any games. So
it seems most are using the PS2 as a DVD player with Sony
not selling NEARLY enough software to offset the huge $180
loss for each console sold. Just a bad financial situation
for Sony. If it weren't for the huge sums of licensing fees
they're getting from the Playstation, they'd be in deep trouble.
Joe Ottoson
<rhayden...@dbm.state.md.us.invalid> wrote:
> Wow I wonder how sega investors feel about Sega just giving away
> their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
Sega already made their money on the DC's when the stores bought them.
Between then and when the customers buy the DC in the store and ask for
the rebate, Sega's had that money for a while. Then they're getting a
decent montly payment commitment from the agreement the peopel have to
sign...
Besides that, Sega makes money off the games they sell. The larger the
userbase, the more games sold.
Darien Allen
Life) we were graced with this statement:
>Japan. And the really sad thing is that software sales for
>the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL. No one's buying any games. So
>it seems most are using the PS2 as a DVD player with Sony
>not selling NEARLY enough software to offset the huge $180
>loss for each console sold. Just a bad financial situation
>for Sony. If it weren't for the huge sums of licensing fees
>they're getting from the Playstation, they'd be in deep trouble.
No one is a bit of an overstatement. However since we are talking
about launches...could you please name a STRONG Japanese console
launch?
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Daniel E. Dutra
Darien Allen wrote:
> Now at the time of 04 Apr 2000 15:42:44 EDT, r...@noonehere.com (Real
> Life) we were graced with this statement:
>
> >Japan. And the really sad thing is that software sales for
> >the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL. No one's buying any games. So
> >it seems most are using the PS2 as a DVD player with Sony
> >not selling NEARLY enough software to offset the huge $180
> >loss for each console sold. Just a bad financial situation
> >for Sony. If it weren't for the huge sums of licensing fees
> >they're getting from the Playstation, they'd be in deep trouble.
>
> No one is a bit of an overstatement. However since we are talking
> about launches...could you please name a STRONG Japanese console
> launch?
>
SNES
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shock
>their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
you must be unaware sega will make over double then what they usually would for
each dc
Ethan Hammond
>
> Wow I wonder how sega investors feel about Sega just giving away
> their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
I guess you have never seen those $400 computer rebates
which basically make some computers free. This is a good
move for Sega because they get new customers and make money
at the same time.
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Ethan Hammond
> about launches...could you please name a STRONG Japanese console
> launch?
The Famicom that had the disk system built in.
I don't remember what that was called I think
it was the Famicom Double or something.
Omarichu
>the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL.
No they're not.
>No one's buying any games.
Yes they are.
>If it weren't for the huge sums of licensing fees
>they're getting from the Playstation, they'd be in deep trouble.
If you had to actually use truth to make your points, you'd be in trouble as
well.
terrell gibbs
>their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
This is kind of foolish. I imagine that the investors are mostly smart enough to
realize that promotions like this make money by attracting customers. That's why
many ISP's offer computer discounts as a bonus to long-term subscribers. It's
really no different than what game companies do when they sell the console at a
bargain price and make the money back on the games.
Ken Small
Real Life <r...@noonehere.com> wrote:
>Meryll Lynch pegged it as a $180 loss for each PS2 sold in
>Japan. And the really sad thing is that software sales for
>the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL. No one's buying any games.
How do you figure? Several titles have sold multiple hundreds of
thousands, according to Magic Box.
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Joe Ottoson
<darie...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Now at the time of 04 Apr 2000 15:42:44 EDT, r...@noonehere.com (Real
> Life) we were graced with this statement:
>
> >Japan. And the really sad thing is that software sales for
> >the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL. No one's buying any games. So
> >it seems most are using the PS2 as a DVD player with Sony
> >not selling NEARLY enough software to offset the huge $180
> >loss for each console sold. Just a bad financial situation
> >for Sony. If it weren't for the huge sums of licensing fees
> >they're getting from the Playstation, they'd be in deep trouble.
>
> No one is a bit of an overstatement. However since we are talking
> about launches...could you please name a STRONG Japanese console
> launch?
Strong game launch sales usually follow even with the lousy lineups.
VF1 sold 1:1 with the Saturn, VF3 sold almost 1:1 with the DC Mario
64... It's surprising Sony didn't have at least one 1:1 seller at
launch, but I still wouldn't call it abysmal.
Cappone
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> >And the really sad thing is that software sales for
> >the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL.
>
>
> >No one's buying any games.
>
>
For every console sold, there are only about an average of 1.4 games sold.
That aint shit.
WaLLs
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"Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Warpig wrote:
> >
> > Wow I wonder how sega investors feel about Sega just giving away
> > their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
>
> which basically make some computers free. This is a good
> move for Sega because they get new customers and make money
> at the same time.
>
ManaByte
Ken Small <k...@typhoon.xnet.com> wrote in message
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> In article <8cdgjk$5...@chronicle.concentric.net>,
> Real Life <r...@noonehere.com> wrote:
>
> >Meryll Lynch pegged it as a $180 loss for each PS2 sold in
> >Japan. And the really sad thing is that software sales for
> >the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL. No one's buying any games.
>
> How do you figure? Several titles have sold multiple hundreds of
> thousands, according to Magic Box.
>
According to the games and numbers on that list, there have been approx
1,095,903 copies of games sold for the PS2 since launch. Sony sold about
900,000 systems. According to that list, less than 1.5 games were sold per
system.
Lets break it down (numbers are total copies sold):
Ridge Racer V: 451,763
Kessen: 254,954
Street Fighter EX3: 168,719
Eternal Ring 85,337
Fantavision: 81,541
Golf Paradise: 42,516
Fantavision: 11,073
And those are just the ones in the top 30.
Frank Grimes
has a rebate. I can care less that it may be free afterwards, but the fact
that I paid for it up front and have to wait 8-10 weeks before getting my
money back. And all this time that money is sitting in some high interest
account making money for them. I am pretty sure these companies that offer
rebates know what they are doing.
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"Joe Ottoson" <aj...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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> In article <pvikes48vfg8n6qfm...@4ax.com>, Darien Allen
> <darie...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> > Now at the time of 04 Apr 2000 15:42:44 EDT, r...@noonehere.com (Real
> > Life) we were graced with this statement:
> >
> > >it seems most are using the PS2 as a DVD player with Sony
> > >not selling NEARLY enough software to offset the huge $180
> > >loss for each console sold. Just a bad financial situation
> > >for Sony. If it weren't for the huge sums of licensing fees
> > >they're getting from the Playstation, they'd be in deep trouble.
> >
> > No one is a bit of an overstatement. However since we are talking
> > about launches...could you please name a STRONG Japanese console
> > launch?
>
> Strong game launch sales usually follow even with the lousy lineups.
> VF1 sold 1:1 with the Saturn, VF3 sold almost 1:1 with the DC Mario
> 64... It's surprising Sony didn't have at least one 1:1 seller at
> launch, but I still wouldn't call it abysmal.
I would think 'backward compatibility' plays at least some factor in the
lower software sales.
I wouldn't doubt that some consumers simply purchased the PS2, and because
of a launch delay(GT2000 or TTT), they didn't purchase one software title.
The PSX got packed up, and they play their psx games on the PS2 until the
games they want show up.
Schmev
Benjamin
>
> they still make money because 21.95 times 24 = more than a dreamcast and a
> keyboard
As if running an ISP requires and providing service during the two years
of the contract costs nothing to Sega.
> "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:38EA51...@worldnet.att.net...
> > Warpig wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow I wonder how sega investors feel about Sega just giving away
> > > their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
> >
> > I guess you have never seen those $400 computer rebates
> > which basically make some computers free. This is a good
> > move for Sega because they get new customers and make money
> > at the same time.
Benjamin
Schmev
term.
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NonDeskript
> Almost every company have rebates. I personally do not buy anything that
> has a rebate. I can care less that it may be free afterwards, but the fact
> that I paid for it up front and have to wait 8-10 weeks before getting my
> money back. And all this time that money is sitting in some high interest
> account making money for them. I am pretty sure these companies that offer
> rebates know what they are doing.
So would you buy the same product at the same price without a rebate? And
how much intrest do you really think Sega can make off of $200 in 10
weeks?
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Warpig wrote:
>
> Wow I wonder how sega investors feel about Sega just giving away
> their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
>
Dosen't anyone understand that the companies don't CARE about mking a
profit on the systems? it's all about the software and and market share.
In the same way crack dealers give you some for free, you get hooked,
and come back to pay for more, the cheaper they can give you a system,
the more games you will buy, and we all know companies who make a system
charge the third parties royalties on the 3rd parties' games. So they
can rack up the dough by cutting the cost of free systems by the large
market share.
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Real Life
> Wow I wonder how sega investors feel about Sega just giving away
> their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
Kinda like how Sony investors feel about Sony taking a $180 loss
on each PS2 sold in Japan. Good feeling indeed!
Darien Allen
Life) we were graced with this statement:
>In article <151fd46a...@usw-ex0103-023.remarq.com>, Warpig
Sony investors can't be too upset. We would have heard something by
now. As it is the stock is going through is usual ups and downs....
Michael R. Baraniecki
<d1IG4.911$hh2....@news.flash.net>:
>Another thought, perhaps DVD sales are cannibalizing PS2 sales in the
>short term.
You bring up a good point... a lot of people may have bought the PS2
primarily as a DVD player. DVD players are still pretty expensive in
Japan compared to here, and the PS2 is fairly cheap one compared to them.
Then as a plus, it plays PS2 and PSX games. I guess some people bought it
as a "DVD player that can play games" rather than a "Videogame system
that can play DVDs". This may be particularly true of sales after people
found out they can play out-of-region DVDs on the early machines.
Granted, a similar scenario should *not* happen when the system releases
here in the US, as we have cheap DVD players and DVD-ROMS up the wazoo.
So hopefully it'll mainly be gamers buying the system, with DVD as an
afterthought. Then Sony can recoup any losses.
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Darien Allen
(Michael R. Baraniecki) we were graced with this statement:
>schmev@"no spam"flash.net (Schmev) wrote in
><d1IG4.911$hh2....@news.flash.net>:
>
>>Another thought, perhaps DVD sales are cannibalizing PS2 sales in the
>>short term.
>
>
>You bring up a good point... a lot of people may have bought the PS2
>primarily as a DVD player. DVD players are still pretty expensive in
>Japan compared to here, and the PS2 is fairly cheap one compared to them.
>Then as a plus, it plays PS2 and PSX games. I guess some people bought it
>as a "DVD player that can play games" rather than a "Videogame system
>that can play DVDs". This may be particularly true of sales after people
>found out they can play out-of-region DVDs on the early machines.
>
>Granted, a similar scenario should *not* happen when the system releases
>here in the US, as we have cheap DVD players and DVD-ROMS up the wazoo.
>So hopefully it'll mainly be gamers buying the system, with DVD as an
>afterthought. Then Sony can recoup any losses.
Check out the article posted at FGNOnline today.
Sony recoups losses regardless remember Sony does DVD movies as well.
One of the ideas behind of making the PS2 a DVD movie player was to
expand the DVD movie market in Japan.
http://www.fgnonline.com/news/12870.html
PS2's DVD Supports Game Joy
PlayStation2: The DVD market is growing as fast as was predicted prior
to the next-gen console's March 4 Japanese release -- click through
for some impressive numbers.
53 percent of Japanese PlayStation2 owners have bought up to five DVDs
since the console's release, a survey conducted by the Nihon Keizai
Shimbun reports. 4 percent of those questioned have bought more than
six DVDs, while 30 percent rented between one and five DVDs. Most
importantly for DVD manufacturers around the world, just 23 percent of
the survey's contributors had not purchased or rented a DVD.
As for their reasons for buying PlayStation2, 74 percent of those
questioned chose "playing videogames and watching DVDs," 20 percent
chose "mainly playing games," and just 6 percent opted for "mainly
watching DVDs."
Only 52 percent of respondents said that they use the console
primarily to play games however, with 33 percent going for a
combination of games and DVDs, and a surprising 15 percent saying they
mainly use PlayStation2 to watch DVDs.
SCEI will be happy to hear that overall satisfaction with PlayStation2
was high, regardless of its specific use. 91 percent of respondents
said they were satisfied with the unit -- 15 percent said it is "much
better than expected," 56 percent thought it "as good as expected,"
and 20 percent believed it to be "satisfactory."
Frank Grimes
pay more and getting it all back in 8-10 weeks if it ever arrives on time.
I don't know how much money they make but it must be enough to offset some
of their losses if any. If it was only $200 they wouldn't bother, they are
hoping this will attract tens of thousands of buyers. It is that large sum
they hope to get. Some people may not even send in their rebates because
they don't want to bother with it, that is what companies hope for but for
$200 I doubt people won't send it in.
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Kalren
wrote:
>Almost every company have rebates. I personally do not buy anything that
>has a rebate. I can care less that it may be free afterwards, but the fact
>that I paid for it up front and have to wait 8-10 weeks before getting my
>money back. And all this time that money is sitting in some high interest
>account making money for them. I am pretty sure these companies that offer
>rebates know what they are doing.
Well, from my understanding, some retailers will be able to give your
$200 Rebate then and there, effectivley making it just under $14 a
month for the service.
The reason? They hope by giving you the refund there, you'll be more
inclined to make purchases with it...
Mark
In article <8cdn7h$8s6$1...@flood.xnet.com>, k...@typhoon.xnet.com wrote:
<< >Meryll Lynch pegged it as a $180 loss for each PS2 sold in
>Japan. And the really sad thing is that software sales for
>the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL. No one's buying any games.
How do you figure? Several titles have sold multiple hundreds of
thousands, according to Magic Box.
>>
Of course, Kirby64 is outselling all of them right now.
Ah, the Japanese market...
-Mrk
Nick Zitzmann
saying this in article <151fd46a...@usw-ex0103-023.remarq.com>:
> Wow I wonder how sega investors feel about Sega just giving away
> their money with no cost dreamcasts ? it must be a good feeling !
They'll lose money in the short term, but in the long term, they will make
more money - several hundred dollars' worth from each customer - to make up
for the loss of giving away the Dreamcast. Besides, profit margins on
services are higher than they are on products - just go see Micron
Electronics's PC division and their service-oriented strategy.
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article <8cdgjk$5...@chronicle.concentric.net>:
> Meryll Lynch pegged it as a $180 loss for each PS2 sold in
> Japan. And the really sad thing is that software sales for
> the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL. No one's buying any games.
Say what? Ridge Racer V debuted at the top of the sales charts and stayed
there for more than a few weeks. Source, please.
Lewdvig
to gain market share before PS2 is launched. If this fails, expect to be
playing your AM2 games on an x-box.
Most sites have reported on the poor sales of PS2 games. A recent poll
indicates that 60% of owners use the PS2 as a DVD player and the top selling
software for PS2 is the Matrix DVD. Sources? I'll let you do the work, but
lets just say it is more work to NOT find these stories than it is to find
them.
Todd Jones
>> Japan. And the really sad thing is that software sales for
>> the PS2 in Japan are ABYSMAL. No one's buying any games.
>
>Say what? Ridge Racer V debuted at the top of the sales charts and stayed
>there for more than a few weeks. Source, please.
Look into the ratio of games sold to consoles sold. To describe it as
"abysmal" is not an exaggeration.
Raymond McKeithen II
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Not to mention that RRV, nor any PS2 game, has even been out for "more than
a few weeks."
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Joe Ottoson
II <rfmc...@suchiepaijas.net> wrote:
Oh, I'm sure if you look at the "big picture" the sales are somehow
terrible. ;)
Really though, that's the first time I've ever heard of a console not
launching in Japan with at least one game that sold 1:1 with the
console. That's rather amazing in of itself, but the software sales of
Ridge Racer and the other top games certainly aren't terrible. They are
showing a less than typically enthusiastic gaming market however.
Raymond McKeithen II
Joe Ottoson <aj...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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> In article <ZxCH4.216$%L6.1...@monger.newsread.com>, Raymond McKeithen
> II <rfmc...@suchiepaijas.net> wrote:
> >
> > Not to mention that RRV, nor any PS2 game, has even been out for "more
than
> > a few weeks."
>
> Oh, I'm sure if you look at the "big picture" the sales are somehow
> terrible. ;)
>
Heh.
> Really though, that's the first time I've ever heard of a console not
> launching in Japan with at least one game that sold 1:1 with the
> console. That's rather amazing in of itself, but the software sales of
> Ridge Racer and the other top games certainly aren't terrible. They are
> showing a less than typically enthusiastic gaming market however.
And it's still that way. Magic Box reports today that TTT sold 210,176 first
week and PS2 DoA2 did 157,317. MvC 2 wasn't far behind at 119,987.
I hope Tecmo got lots of money from Sony in that payoff, considering that a
Japanese DC DoA2 would have probably sold better than 157,317....