U L T I M A T E reasons, which makes 3DO the best Next Generation System Part 1
1232...@aol.com
1232...@aol.com wrote:
Before you pull the gun and blow away my brain into zillion pieces , give
me a chance to explain myself.
I am an average gameplayer which means I shop in WIZ or FuncoLand.
Yesterday I visited funcoland and got the paper which has all the game
price listed. The average price ...
1) the ave price of these software.
3DO $19.00
SegaStaturn $39.00
PlayStation $49.00
Then I checked the list again and figured out that 64% of the the games
are
coming on every platform. Why shall I pay $49 for POed in PlayStation,
when I can get it for $19 in 3DO, etc. If you calculate all the money
you spend on software;it cost three times more then the HardWare Cost.
Therefore don't get fooled by the Razor Blade theory which is sucking you
money out of the wallet. In PlayStation there are Double Razor Blade
theory, because you have to buy NVRAM card to save those games.
Part 2
Lets go over the Hardware price
GoldStar3DO Panasonic3DO SegaSaturn Sony PlayStation
totalcost $199 $299 $299 $299
includes: Hardware Hardware Hardware HardWare
1 controlar 1 cont 1 cont 1 cont
2 games 1 games none none
value $120 value $60 $0 $0
titles FIFA 95 Super SF2Turbo none none
Shock Wave none none none
extra one more Side Kick none none
contvalue$30 PAD $30 $0 $0
saving: $150+100 $90 $0 loss -$40 NVRAM
upgradable YES YES NO NO WAY
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HIGHLIGHT
Games YES YES YES Y
PhotoCD YES YES NO NO
CD-G YES YES YES NO
VideoCD ADapter$199 ADapter$199 ADapter$299 NO WAY
MusicCD YES YES YES Y
Conclusion of PART 2: Why pay more and get less service? If you by
PlayStation then you are paying $299.00(platfrom)+$40.00(two NVRAM
cards)+($59.00 X 2games)+(30 controlar) =$487. Saturn is a better choice
because you will be paying $299+$59+$59+$30=$447. This is almost $40
cheaper then PlayStation.
If you buy Panasonic 3DO then you will only have to pay 299+ one
MORE games which comes with free software and controllar at a value of
$90. Now compare to PlayStation you are SAVING around $150 dollar!
If you buy a GoldStar 3DO you will be saving 487-199~$250.Yes that
is SAVING $250!!!!! Did you realizee that big difference. With those
$250 you can buy out all the best 3DO softwares. Nothing is more
efficient and more effective then 3DO.
If you already bought a PlayStation or SegaStaurn and it is lying under
the tree then quickly take it to the local store and CHANGE it with 3DO
and Save those $250.
With $250 you could buy out all the greatest titles in 3DO.
Having those big smashing titles for 3DO you can't say PlayStation or
SegaSaturn games are better.
Here are the great line up for 3DO which will go head to head with
Saturn's VirFighter 2, SegaRally, VirtueCop, and PlayStation's
Destruction Derby, Wipout, Warhawk.
1) StarFighter
2) Killing Time
3) Battle Sports
4) Captain Quaser
5) Need For Speed
6) Return Fire (same as below)
7) Space Hulk
8) Blade Force
9) Snow Job (comming soon)
10)POed (it will take a while for this one to come in PS)
11) New Return Fire Hell Map
12) D's Dinner (same as above)
14) Super Street Fighter II Turbo
13) .......many more is comming
Just in case you are curious about funture then I guess you know about M2
which kick ass. It is 5 times better then Ultra 64, 10~12 times better
than PlayStation, 15~20 times better then Saturn, 30~33 times better then
Atari Jag, 50 times better then SNES, 60 times better then Gennisis. Do I
have to go any furthe.
The above smash hit for 3do will pass your time so quickly that it will
feel like M2 will come tommorow.M2 is coming on 2nd half and that is not
really that far. Have the most fun right now and in the future with the
least price. You GOT it it is 3DO!!!
I think this is the 3DO homepage, check it out <http://www.3do.com>
MAKE A SAFE CHOICE> It is not too late to return those system and get a
3DO. I remember "WE GOT IT, AND THEY DON't"
Scott Le Grand
>Part 1
>1232...@aol.com wrote:
>Before you pull the gun and blow away my brain into zillion pieces , give
>me a chance to explain myself.
Target Rating: Waste of Ammunition...
>I am an average gameplayer which means I shop in WIZ or FuncoLand.
So how much did 3DO pay you to post this?
>Yesterday I visited funcoland and got the paper which has all the game
>price listed. The average price ...
They should have hired a spell checker as well...
>1) the ave price of these software.
>
>3DO $19.00
>SegaStaturn $39.00
>PlayStation $49.00
Of course no mention of the jag's prices which are probably $15.00 or less...
>Then I checked the list again and figured out that 64% of the the games
>are
>coming on every platform. Why shall I pay $49 for POed in PlayStation,
>when I can get it for $19 in 3DO, etc.
For the same reason I passed on C-64 Doom, bunghole...
>If you calculate all the money you spend on software;it cost three times more >then the HardWare Cost.
That's really hard! Do you have a degree in math?
>Therefore don't get fooled by the Razor Blade theory which is sucking you
suck you too...
>money out of the wallet. In PlayStation there are Double Razor Blade
>theory, because you have to buy NVRAM card to save those games.
And the hand can be used to split wood! But you wouldn't want to
use it as videogame system! Then again, I suspect you use your hand
for many entertaining applications...
>Part 2
>
>Lets go over the Hardware price
>
> GoldStar3DO Panasonic3DO SegaSaturn Sony PlayStation Your Hand
>totalcost $199 $299 $299 $299 Blindness
>includes: Hardware Hardware Hardware HardWare Hard-on
> 1 controlar 1 cont 1 cont 1 cont 4 Fingers
> 2 games 1 games none none 1 Thumb
> value $120 value $60 $0 $0 Priceless
>titles FIFA 95 Super SF2Turbo none none Virtua Babe
> Shock Wave none none none Shoot the Moon
>extra one more Side Kick none none Other hand
> contvalue$30 PAD $30 $0 $0 Free!
>saving: $150+100 $90 $0 loss -$40 NVRAM A lot!
>
>upgradable YES YES NO NO WAY Oh yeah!
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>HIGHLIGHT
>Games YES YES YES Y YESSIR!
>PhotoCD YES YES NO NO Kinky!
>CD-G YES YES YES NO Ooh Baby!
>VideoCD ADapter$199 ADapter$199 ADapter$299 NO WAY WANK WANK!
>MusicCD YES YES YES Y Whatever
>Conclusion of PART 2: Why pay more and get less service? If you by
>PlayStation then you are paying $299.00(platfrom)+$40.00(two NVRAM
>cards)+($59.00 X 2games)+(30 controlar) =$487. Saturn is a better choice
>because you will be paying $299+$59+$59+$30=$447. This is almost $40
>cheaper then PlayStation.
But as your own cost/benefit analysis shows, your hand is the ultimate
videogaming system!
> If you buy Panasonic 3DO then you will only have to pay 299+ one
>MORE games which comes with free software and controllar at a value of
>$90. Now compare to PlayStation you are SAVING around $150 dollar!
Have you ever heard of the principle of double-bagging? Explain and
Discuss...
> If you buy a GoldStar 3DO you will be saving 487-199~$250.Yes that
>is SAVING $250!!!!! Did you realizee that big difference. With those
>$250 you can buy out all the best 3DO softwares. Nothing is more
>efficient and more effective then 3DO.
And that $250 is less than half the cost of the prostitute you'll need
to help you get over the ridicule your former friends will subject you
to for being such a worldwide wank puddle...
>If you already bought a PlayStation or SegaStaurn and it is lying under
>the tree then quickly take it to the local store and CHANGE it with 3DO
>and Save those $250.
Bait and switch, eh? Sounds like what the doctors did to your mother...
>With $250 you could buy out all the greatest titles in 3DO.
>Having those big smashing titles for 3DO you can't say PlayStation or
>SegaSaturn games are better.
Playstation or Saturn games are better! Nyah Nyah!
>Here are the great line up for 3DO which will go head to head with
>Saturn's VirFighter 2, SegaRally, VirtueCop, and PlayStation's
>Destruction Derby, Wipout, Warhawk.
>
>1) SexFighter
>2) Spilling Slime
>3) Battle Spurts
>4) Captain Queer
>5) Need For Sperm
>6) Return Fur (same as below)
>7) Spurm Hulk
>8) Laid Force
>9) Bnow Job (comming soon, and so will you if you stick with your hand!)
>10) FUed (it will take a while for this one to come in PS)
>11) Nude Return Fur Hell Muff
>12) D's Dick (same as above)
>14) Super Sex Fighter II Trois
>13) .......many more is comming
>Just in case you are curious about funture then I guess you know about M2
>which kick ass. It is 5 times better then Ultra 64, 10~12 times better
>than PlayStation, 15~20 times better then Saturn, 30~33 times better then
>Atari Jag, 50 times better then SNES, 60 times better then Gennisis. Do I
>have to go any furthe.
Go all the way baby, you know you want it!
>The above smash hit for 3do will pass your time so quickly that it will
>feel like M2 will come tommorow.M2 is coming on 2nd half and that is not
>really that far. Have the most fun right now and in the future with the
>least price. You GOT it it is 3DO!!!
Hint: with that $250 you saved, go buy yourself a grammar and spelling
checker... You'll be glad you did!
>I think this is the 3DO homepage, check it out <http://www.3do.com>
>MAKE A SAFE CHOICE> It is not too late to return those system and get a
>3DO. I remember "WE GOT IT, AND THEY DON't"
You just had to go and so something cheesier than the jag
infomercial, didn't you?
M A
efficient system out there.
TeK-HeAd
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: 1232...@aol.com wrote:
Shit. And the shit was deleted.
Mark W. Maurer
Only a moron from AOL would post 3do-advocacy crap like that to all of
these newsgroups, when it should have been posted to .3do and .advocacy.
How much DID 3do pay you to write that blabbering crap? And as for giving
out the web page address, I couldn't tell that I wasn't already there.
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Colin Copeland
to your taste?
Zach Douglas
Well, my opinion on 3d0 vs. whatever the hell is that I don't HAVE an
opinion.
I'd just like to ask the person who posted originally to not cross-post to
so many groups, especially not RGVC becuase we have no interest in the
matter! The people who collect both read both, so no need to cross-post.
Alrighty then,
buh bye now.
INTV VS 2600 might be an ok argument though.
have clue--will travel
>Part 1
>1232...@aol.com wrote:
>Before you pull the gun and blow away my brain into zillion pieces , give
>me a chance to explain myself.
>
Ah, well, you tried, and you still failed to explain why this tripe is in
rec.games.video.CLASSIC.
Pull. Blam. Followups set.
jeff. and is it me, or does this look like
a mutant child of a Compu$erve and AOL
address?
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>[useless 3do crap deleted...]
>Only a moron from AOL would post 3do-advocacy crap like that to all of
>these newsgroups, when it should have been posted to .3do and .advocacy.
>How much DID 3do pay you to write that blabbering crap? And as for giving
>out the web page address, I couldn't tell that I wasn't already there.
Personally, I think it's Magvision or Raymond Zyck under a fake account...
Poom!
Mark Phaedrus
>price listed. The average price ...
>
>1) the ave price of these software.
>
>3DO $19.00
>SegaStaturn $39.00
>PlayStation $49.00
Okay. Now, here's the catch. Go back and compare the ages of the
games for the various systems. The prices of videogames almost inevitably
drop within the first year. By that time, either the manufacturer has
discontinued it and the stores are trying to clear their stocks so they can
make more room for the new hot games, or the manufacturer has switched into
"Okay, we've made all the high-priced sales we can on this game, and we've
recovered our development costs; now let's slash the price and see if we can
make a few more bucks by selling this to people who are casually interested"
mode.
Locally, I've found the new 3DO games to generally be around $5 more
expensive than the new Saturn and Playstation games.
>Then I checked the list again and figured out that 64% of the the games
>are coming on every platform. Why shall I pay $49 for POed in PlayStation,
>when I can get it for $19 in 3DO, etc.
1. Don't count on buying PO'ed for $19 on any system, unless you're
willing to wait a year or so (at which point you'll be able to buy it on the
cheap for any system, not just 3DO).
2. Don't count on the game being identical on all systems.
> If you calculate all the money
>you spend on software;it cost three times more then the HardWare Cost.
I'm not sure where you get this figure; it's obviously going to depend
on how many games you buy. But your point is valid; over the lifetime of
a system, you generally pay far more for software than you do for hardware.
Which is why I have a lot of hardware--so I can pick and choose the best
apps for every system, and not feel pressured to buy nearly all the games for
a single system.
>Therefore don't get fooled by the Razor Blade theory which is sucking you
>money out of the wallet. In PlayStation there are Double Razor Blade
>theory, because you have to buy NVRAM card to save those games.
And the RAM cart comes in handy for Saturn games too. But there's a
catch; yes, Saturn and Playstation games often require purchased backup RAM
to work, but they do some very nifty things with that purchased backup RAM.
One of the problems with the 3DO is that there _isn't_ a way to add
additional backup RAM to the relatively small RAM provided in the unit (there
was supposed to be an add-on RAM module, but I don't think it ever
materialized); yes, it cuts costs, but it also limits game design. You just
cannot make a huge RPG for the 3DO that remembers the entire state of the
world, because the backup RAM simply isn't there to allow it. With the
Playstation and Saturn, that option is open.
>Part 2
>
>Lets go over the Hardware price
Yes, the 3DO is cheaper than the Saturn and Playstation; so's the
Jaguar. But the current 3DO is less powerful than the Saturn and Playstation
too. That's what makes the choice interesting...
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Zach Douglas
Please, please, please
No more senseless cross-posting.
Stop the insanity.
Especially to RGV.Classic
We don't really care if you're 3d0 is better than your playstation, and if
we did we'de probably be reading about it in one of those groups.
Emeka B. Okwuje
>additional backup RAM to the relatively small RAM provided in the unit (there
>was supposed to be an add-on RAM module, but I don't think it ever
>materialized); yes, it cuts costs, but it also limits game design. You just
>cannot make a huge RPG for the 3DO that remembers the entire state of the
>world, because the backup RAM simply isn't there to allow it. With the
>Playstation and Saturn, that option is open.
>
for trading cards though) cards are 8k i think, so go do da math... Po'ed is a huge advaenture that allows you to save anywhere in t=
he game (as is killing time) anyhow, I have tons of stuff saved in my 3do. However the largest file is slam n jam (? statistics???) =
which is 13000 blocks. You know I even have shitloads of audio cd programs stored (they remember which disc it is too).....
..when a man lies, he(she) murders some part of this world.
These are the cruel deaths that (wo)men miscall their lives.
thanx tRiP!
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Wayne Magor
1232...@aol.com writes:
>Part 1
I was wondering when people would finally start figuring out how much
cheaper and better the 3DO is than either the PSX or Saturn.
Take a look at Next Generation magazine (page 211) and count how many
four and five star games on each machine:
Four and Five star games:
-------------------------
3DO: 12 (all 12 avail in the U.S.)
Saturn: 6 (only 4 in U.S.)
Playstation: 11 (only 6 in U.S.)
This is from a magazine that is clear pro Sony.
Killboy Powerhead
>
> 1232...@aol.com writes:
> > If you buy Panasonic 3DO then you will only have to pay 299+ one
> >MORE games which comes with free software and controllar at a value of
at my friend's house for the past 3 months. (playstation release date) I have
no desire to play those (27) clunky, chunky games.
> > If you buy a GoldStar 3DO you will be saving 487-199~$250.Yes that
> >is SAVING $250!!!!! Did you realizee that big difference. With those
> >$250 you can buy out all the best 3DO softwares. Nothing is more
> >efficient and more effective then 3DO.(see above)
> >If you already bought a PlayStation or SegaStaurn and it is lying under
> >the tree then quickly take it to the local store and CHANGE it...Alright Trip, we all know it's you, so go away.
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>NINTENDO.
Yeah, right. If you were over ten years old you'd be interested in playing
something more advanced than Mario Brothers. And uncreative crap like that is
the only kind of software Nintendo ever writes. Sorry, my standards are a
little higher than that.
Besides, I already own a 3DO - why the hell would I want to _downgrade_ to a
crappy cartridge-based U64 system that has only 1/10th the storage capacity?
And it's only got 1/20th or 1/30th the storage capacity of the M2 DVD drive.
For some strange reason I expect technology to improve, not regress like this,
when I spend money to "upgrade" to a newer system.
>ALSO IF YOU CAN'T WAIT 4 MONTHS TO GET ULTRA I SAY BUY PSX.....IT IS
>THE BEST SYSTEM OUT NOW EASILY.......I WON'T SPEND MY MONEY UNTIL U64 COMES
>OUT.
I looked at the PSX and the Saturn. Quite frankly I am not at all impressed
with the quality of software available. Some of the titles look impressive,
but boot them up and you find not only sub-standard graphics (not as good as
3DO), but the usual attrocious gameplay found in rushed software developed by
large, uncreative and unmotivated companies.
By the way, could you PLEASE STOP YELLING, you're making my ears hurt.
Joe
Neil Archibald
>
> >One of the problems with the 3DO is that there _isn't_ a way to add
> >additional backup RAM to the relatively small RAM provided in the unit (there
> >was supposed to be an add-on RAM module, but I don't think it ever
> >materialized); yes, it cuts costs, but it also limits game design. You just
> >cannot make a huge RPG for the 3DO that remembers the entire state of the
> >world, because the backup RAM simply isn't there to allow it. With the
> >Playstation and Saturn, that option is open.
> >
a) learn to post on more than one lines.
b) the 3do has 32k of NVRAM, and i doubt you have 'shitloads' of audio
cd programs stored, since last time I checked mine, each audio CD uses
8% of the NVRAM.
c) the playstation cards have 128k of storage, NOT 8k.
Marty Chinn
: >IF YOU HAD AN OUNCE OF A BRAIN YOU WOULD REALIZE THE ONLY WAY TO GO IS
: >NINTENDO.
: Yeah, right. If you were over ten years old you'd be interested in playing
: something more advanced than Mario Brothers. And uncreative crap like that is
: the only kind of software Nintendo ever writes. Sorry, my standards are a
: little higher than that.
You may not like Mario, but to say the various games he's appeared in are
uncreative is taking it a bit far. There are noticeable differences and
creativity in all the mario bros games. Even looking upon Mario 64, its
just not some kid rehash stuff in there, there is a lot of creativity and
you can't deny this.
: Besides, I already own a 3DO - why the hell would I want to _downgrade_ to a
: crappy cartridge-based U64 system that has only 1/10th the storage capacity?
: And it's only got 1/20th or 1/30th the storage capacity of the M2 DVD drive.
: For some strange reason I expect technology to improve, not regress like this,
: when I spend money to "upgrade" to a newer system.
Downgrade? Yeah right. U64 is easily more powerful in technology.
Cartridge is not a regression. Take a look at your games, and see how big
they are without all that FMV, bet you not very big. You can fit a nice
game within the 25 megabytes before compression. Look how big a lot of PC
games are and they require a lot more programming routines than a console
game. Doom is only 15 megabytes, yet it can be done on the U64 and is
being questionable on the 3DO. M2 DVD drive? I'll believe it when I see
it. M2 will not be equipped with DVD when released. But hey if you want
to support 3DO, be my guest. Not exactly the wisest choice at the moment IMO.
: I looked at the PSX and the Saturn. Quite frankly I am not at all impressed
: with the quality of software available. Some of the titles look impressive,
: but boot them up and you find not only sub-standard graphics (not as good as
: 3DO), but the usual attrocious gameplay found in rushed software developed by
: large, uncreative and unmotivated companies.
This sounds like a 3DO advocate, denile, denile, denile.....
: By the way, could you PLEASE STOP YELLING, you're making my ears hurt.
: Joe
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Bruce Tomlin
>3DO kicks? Bull it does. I've played most games you list and they're
>all boring piles of poo. WHile the PSX has WIpeout, Doom, DEstruction
>Derby, Tekken, TOshinden, I don't have to go any further. 3Do SUCKS!
3D0 SUX! NU64 SUX! PSX SUX! PC'S SUX! GENESIS SUX! SNES SUX!
NES REALLY SUX! COLECOVISION RULZ! VECTREX RULZ! JEFF MINTER RULZ!
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> 1. Don't count on buying PO'ed for $19 on any system, unless you're
>willing to wait a year or so (at which point you'll be able to buy it on the
>cheap for any system, not just 3DO).
> 2. Don't count on the game being identical on all systems.
Provided that you have a decent used VG dealer around, then most
likely you will be able to find PO'd for $19 by the time it comes out
for any other system besides 3DO.
Remy Saville
> >Just in case you are curious about funture then I guess you know about M2
> >which kick ass. It is 5 times better then Ultra 64, 10~12 times better
> MEAN TO SAY IT IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE 5 TIMES MORE THAN ULTRA!!!!!!
gee.. a little upset? Its only a message..
> IF YOU HAD AN OUNCE OF A BRAIN YOU WOULD REALIZE THE ONLY WAY TO GO IS
> NINTENDO. WHY? WELL FIRST OF ALL YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE M2
> BEING POWERFULL CAUSE IF IT IS NINTENDO WILL SIMPLY RELEASE THE BULKY DRIVE
> WITH MORE GRAPHIC POWER AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS AFTER SEEING WHAT
> THE M2 HAS TO OFFER.......SINCE M2 WILL HAVE TO COME OUT ALMOST THE SAME
> TIME AS THE NINTENDO64.
Nintendo is the only way to go? Like the SNES playstation/philips system/32bit
CD system/SGI system? Oh yeah, we must go with Nintendo. Well the M2 is
pretty nice, it wont need a stupid bulky drive to add more storage and have a
built in FX3 chip. What makes you so sure that if nintendo can upgrade its
machine so easially, that the M2 can't? If nintendo came out with something
that was indeed better than the M2 by a lot, I am sure that there would be an
upgrade-if it was needed. The M2 will come out the same time as the Ultra64,
or shortly after.
> ALSO IF YOU CAN'T WAIT 4 MONTHS TO GET ULTRA I SAY BUY PSX.....IT IS
> THE BEST SYSTEM OUT NOW EASILY.......I WON'T SPEND MY MONEY UNTIL U64 COMES
> OUT.
Well if you want a sweet system, the 3DO is pretty cheap! $199 with 2 games
and 2 controlers? Then you can buy some games from 3DO direct and get 3 for
the price of 1! For the same price as a PSX with 1 game you get 5 and 2
controllers. Yeah, the PSX has better grafx and ridge racer is better than any
3DO racing game, but I'd rather be able to play 5 different games with a buddy
than race 1 track by myself. 3DO does have the current fun/price advantage
over all systems!
jim kanellopoulos
>
>Just in case you are curious about funture then I guess you know about M2
>which kick ass. It is 5 times better then Ultra 64, 10~12 times better
MEAN TO SAY IT IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE 5 TIMES MORE THAN ULTRA!!!!!!
IF YOU HAD AN OUNCE OF A BRAIN YOU WOULD REALIZE THE ONLY WAY TO GO IS
NINTENDO. WHY? WELL FIRST OF ALL YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE M2
BEING POWERFULL CAUSE IF IT IS NINTENDO WILL SIMPLY RELEASE THE BULKY DRIVE
WITH MORE GRAPHIC POWER AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS AFTER SEEING WHAT
THE M2 HAS TO OFFER.......SINCE M2 WILL HAVE TO COME OUT ALMOST THE SAME
TIME AS THE NINTENDO64.
ALSO IF YOU CAN'T WAIT 4 MONTHS TO GET ULTRA I SAY BUY PSX.....IT IS
THE BEST SYSTEM OUT NOW EASILY.......I WON'T SPEND MY MONEY UNTIL U64 COMES
OUT.
>than PlayStation, 15~20 times better then Saturn, 30~33 times better then
>Atari Jag, 50 times better then SNES, 60 times better then Gennisis. Do I
>have to go any furthe.
No that is enough bullshit.
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Funny I played all of those too and thought they all lost replay value
except for Tekken. Tekken is the only one I kept.
Geoffrey M Forsaith (forsaith) wrote:
: 3DO kicks? Bull it does. I've played most games you list and they're
Andrew Stefanski
Mike Still <mst...@postoffice.ptd.net> wrote:
>HA! Uncreavtive crap? This "uncreavite crap" hasn't scored
>less than 90% in the last TWO YEARS in ANY video game magazine.
>Yeah, its funny how "uncreative crap" usually sets sales records and
>wins even the most tough of critics over. I mean, Ed Samerad , ed-in
>chief for EGM even said that Mario 64 is the BEST game EVER made.
>Its funny how uncreative crap can be like that.
Let's see... there hasn't been a creative fighting game in quite
a while, yet many people still seem to love them.
Just because someone thinks it's a good game doesn't mean it's
creative. Very few video game companies are willing to be creative.
They'd rather stick with what sells. And the video game mags just follow
the crowds while pretending to be leading them.
The only problem is that a good creative game will become a much
bigger hit than a good standard formula game.
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Diamon Hellstorm
>
>>
>>1) the ave price of these software.
>>
>>3DO $19.00
>
>>are
>>coming on every platform. Why shall I pay $49 for POed in PlayStation,
>>when I can get it for $19 in 3DO, etc.
>>
>
>>
>>totalcost $199 $299 $299 $299
>>includes: Hardware Hardware Hardware HardWare
>> 1 controlar 1 cont 1 cont 1 cont
>> 2 games 1 games none none
>> value $120 value $60 $0 $0
>>titles FIFA 95 Super SF2Turbo none none
>> Shock Wave none none none
>>extra one more Side Kick none none
>> contvalue$30 PAD $30 $0 $0
>>saving: $150+100 $90 $0 loss -$40 NVRAM
>>
>>upgradable YES YES NO NO WAY
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>NES looks like the best system. Think about it. You can buy
>most games for $5, it was supported by a HUGE company, and its
>available everywhere! Sure, its outdated (just like the 3DO), and
>has almost no more support (just like the 3DO), but hey! I'm saving
>lots of money if I buy it! Why buy Mario on the NU64 when I
>could go and buy it for the NES. Grow up and think monkey boy.
>
>
>Mike
>
>>
>"Great shot kid! That was one in a million....
> That means a thousand people in China could have made it"
> -Han Solo
> StarWars:A New Hope (modified)
>
>
I don't know about you all but a $199 Goldstar 3do seems like a quick way to get rid
of whatever they have in thier warehouses and leave the 3do group. It's really
funny that every 3do fan believes the m2 is going to sell millions. Now look there
are about what 300,000 3do's in America. Now not taking into account how many of
those numbers will and are lost due to the launch of Saturn, Playstation, and Ultra
64, the most Matsushita, becuase 3do no longer owns the m2 :), can have is the exact
number that they have sold. Hey that is not taking into account the number of 3do
people who will not go for the m2 upgrade. Also the m2 is coming WELL after the
launch of ultra, perhapes as much as 3-5 months. Which gives Nintendo more then
enough time to establish over 1 million units. Now I am not saying Nintendo can do
that, but if one company can attain world-wide domination in just under a month, if
the ultra is relsed on time in both Japan april 21 and in the US april 28(?),
Nintendo can. My best Guess would be over 200,000 sold on the first day of release
in Japan alone. With States sales running about the same. That's well over 500,000
units world-wide in less then one month, not the 3 years it took 3do. Hell does
goldstar even have a liscense for the m2 yet from Matsushita? And what about phase
2, has that happened yet? As snes owner I know it's days are done, it's old and
basically can't hack it anymore. I don't deny it's over for the snes, becuase ,
well...it is over. But someone posted something about 3do owners,which they said
all they do is deny and deny and deny. 3do is over, it's old just like the snes,
and can't hack it, the m2 is it's saving grace, but the question is other then
die-hard 3do owners, who wants a m2? Who wants to buy a 3do just to get a m2? 3do
people will point out that Goldstar $199 price, but what if Goldstar drops out? or
doesn't get the rights to use the m2? What then? How much for a m2? $250 for the
upgrade and $199 for the 3do is still more then an ultra 64 alone, not to mention a
playstation or a Saturn. Your technology won't sell your platform, your games will,
and right now m2 just doesn't have a killer game, although by launch time it might.
To me it seems if you buy a playstation, Saturn, or Ultra 64, I would find it a lot
easier to sleep at night then if I had a 3do. All IMHO of course. :)
Mike Still
>
>1) the ave price of these software.
>
>3DO $19.00
>Then I checked the list again and figured out that 64% of the the games
>are
>coming on every platform. Why shall I pay $49 for POed in PlayStation,
>when I can get it for $19 in 3DO, etc.
>
>
> GoldStar3DO Panasonic3DO SegaSaturn Sony PlayStation
>totalcost $199 $299 $299 $299
>includes: Hardware Hardware Hardware HardWare
> 1 controlar 1 cont 1 cont 1 cont
> 2 games 1 games none none
> value $120 value $60 $0 $0
>titles FIFA 95 Super SF2Turbo none none
> Shock Wave none none none
>extra one more Side Kick none none
> contvalue$30 PAD $30 $0 $0
>saving: $150+100 $90 $0 loss -$40 NVRAM
>
>upgradable YES YES NO NO WAY
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wait! Lets all use your reasoning! When I sue your reasoning, the
Frank Booth
> 1232...@aol.com writes:
> >
> >Just in case you are curious about funture then I guess you know about M2
> >which kick ass. It is 5 times better then Ultra 64, 10~12 times better
> WHO THE HELL TOLD YOU ABOUT M2 BEING 5TIMES BETTER???? I THINK WHAT YOU
> MEAN TO SAY IT IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE 5 TIMES MORE THAN ULTRA!!!!!!
That makes no sense.. he said it's 5 times better than the Ultra 64, then
you go say "No, that's not what you meant, you meant it's 5 times better
than the Ultra 64." Umm.. ok.
> IF YOU HAD AN OUNCE OF A BRAIN YOU WOULD REALIZE THE ONLY WAY TO GO IS
> NINTENDO. WHY? WELL FIRST OF ALL YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE M2
> BEING POWERFULL CAUSE IF IT IS NINTENDO WILL SIMPLY RELEASE THE BULKY DRIVE
> WITH MORE GRAPHIC POWER AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS AFTER SEEING WHAT
> THE M2 HAS TO OFFER.......SINCE M2 WILL HAVE TO COME OUT ALMOST THE SAME
> TIME AS THE NINTENDO64.
More graphic power? Releasing a device to store data does NOT increase
thepower of the machine.. Look at Sega CD.. no improvements.. just more
ram to work with. Nintendo's lame ass storage medium that's going to
kick the price of a total U64 to about 400 bucks, isn't going to help it
but make it be able to ALMOST match the data that can be stored by the
other systems.. (Shouldn't say almost.. maybe a 1/4 of the storage). And
you think that when the U64 comes out they'll see the M2 a few motnhs
later and then just "Whip up" a new device to outperform it? Yeah,
developing tech. takes a few days at most.. get real buddy.
Besides, with nintendo's jack-ass business practices, I wouldn't be
surprised if not many developers support it. Let's see, obscene
royalties, lower profits from using a cartridge, some kind of shitty deal
where if it comes out on the U64 it's exclusive to that. Any GOOD game
won't make it to U64 then sicne the company will want to make it for as
many systems as it can. Nintendo needs to realize that it's not the 80s
anymore and developers don't have to go to one system if they want to
produce.
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Bring back the shame of the many for the few
Get on your knees, cuz I'll be coming back to you..
Bring back the pain of an inverse world for two
It keeps me coming back to you...
-Mr. Bungle-
Don't let me die with that silly look in my eyes...
-Faith No More-
craig.
>Mike Still <mst...@postoffice.ptd.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>1) the ave price of these software.
>>>
>>>3DO $19.00
>>
>>>Then I ch
PSX,and Saturn versions are 10 times better than the 3DO
version!
so what do you expect?
Because it's the same game means it's the same???
NOPE,PSX and Saturn run circles around 3Do.
Janet Waterman
it a lot >easier to sleep at night then if I had a 3do. All IMHO of course. :)
>
You buy video game systems to help you sleep at night? Odd. All I care about
is good games - and the 3DO games are ten times better than any of those
systems (especially the pitiful U64 - who wants to downgrade to a crappy
cartridge-based system?).
Joe
Mike Still
>>IF YOU HAD AN OUNCE OF A BRAIN YOU WOULD REALIZE THE ONLY WAY TO GO IS
>>NINTENDO.
>
>something more advanced than Mario Brothers. And uncreative crap like that is
>the only kind of software Nintendo ever writes. Sorry, my standards are a
>little higher than that.
>
HA! Uncreavtive crap? This "uncreavite crap" hasn't scored
less than 90% in the last TWO YEARS in ANY video game magazine.
Yeah, its funny how "uncreative crap" usually sets sales records and
wins even the most tough of critics over. I mean, Ed Samerad , ed-in
chief for EGM even said that Mario 64 is the BEST game EVER made.
Its funny how uncreative crap can be like that.
Mike
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Janet Waterman
>uncreative is taking it a bit far. There are noticeable differences and
>creativity in all the mario bros games. Even looking upon Mario 64, its
>just not some kid rehash stuff in there, there is a lot of creativity and
>you can't deny this.
Nonsense. There's not an ounce of creativity in MB. That tired old 2D
scrolling genre was exhausted years ago, any any creative game desighner has
moved on.
>Cartridge is not a regression. Take a look at your games, and see how big
>they are without all that FMV, bet you not very big.
So who says I don't want FMV? It adds a lot to the story of the game. But
then again you wouldn't know that since stories are too advanced a
concept for Nintendo games.
By the way, ever seen D? Spectacular 3D rendered immersive adventure game, it
comes on 2 CDs. You won't be seeing D on Nintendo.
>You can fit a nice
>game within the 25 megabytes before compression.
So what? You can obviously fit more and better games in 600 megabytes or 2
gigabytes (DVD). You're trying to sidestep the issue that it clearly _is_ a
downgrade. All computers have three primary components: CPU(s), memory, and
storage space. You cripple any one of these areas and the whole system is
crippled for many types of software and games.
>Look how big a lot of PC
>games are and they require a lot more programming routines than a console
>game. Doom is only 15 megabytes, yet it can be done on the U64
Sure there are some games (limited to very specific genres - Doom types, 2D
scrolling games, etc) that can be done in 25 MB. The vast majority cannot,
almost all new PC games are so bit they come on CD. Rebel Assoult II, PC
versions of Hardball 5, NHL 96, The Dig - none of these games can be done on
puny cartridges.
>This sounds like a 3DO advocate, denile, denile, denile.....
This sounds like someone who couldn't think of any real arguments.
The only thing I'm an advocate of is quality games. And that's why you'll
never find a Nintendo connected to my TV.
Joe
Geoffrey M Forsaith
all boring piles of poo. WHile the PSX has WIpeout, Doom, DEstruction
Marty Chinn
: >You may not like Mario, but to say the various games he's appeared in are
: >creativity in all the mario bros games. Even looking upon Mario 64, its
: >just not some kid rehash stuff in there, there is a lot of creativity and
: >you can't deny this.
: Nonsense. There's not an ounce of creativity in MB. That tired old 2D
: scrolling genre was exhausted years ago, any any creative game desighner has
: moved on.
Look at the differences between SMB1, and SMB3, then SMB3 and Yoshi's
Island, a lot has changed. Now look at Mario 64, totally different. Mario
has evolved not only technologically, but in creativity.
: >Cartridge is not a regression. Take a look at your games, and see how big
: >they are without all that FMV, bet you not very big.
: So who says I don't want FMV? It adds a lot to the story of the game. But
: then again you wouldn't know that since stories are too advanced a
: concept for Nintendo games.
Shrug whats this FMV that killed the Sega CD? Whats this PSX and Saturn
here sitting next to me. I know the concept of a story, and various SNES
games have been able to supply that quite well. FMV does not mean a great
story, and the lack of it does not mean it won't have one. FMV is fluff.
Although most of the time its abused but in some cases done well. D and
WC3 come to mind.
: By the way, ever seen D? Spectacular 3D rendered immersive adventure game, it
: comes on 2 CDs. You won't be seeing D on Nintendo.
Yes I've seen D, and its nice. I really liked the game, however if you'll
notice, D 2 will be in real time on the M2, something with the U64 is
capable of as well instead of FMV. So lets see real time rendered
graphics which can fit on a cart, or FMV, give me the real time rendered
stuff.
: So what? You can obviously fit more and better games in 600 megabytes or 2
: gigabytes (DVD). You're trying to sidestep the issue that it clearly _is_ a
: downgrade. All computers have three primary components: CPU(s), memory, and
: storage space. You cripple any one of these areas and the whole system is
: crippled for many types of software and games.
Larger sized games do not mean they are better. There are some games that
are only 512k yet they are some of the best games made to date. You fail
to acknowldge that without a large cache, lots of memory, and a fast CD
drive, you will get a lack of speed in execution of the game. Systems
these days lack the memory to accomplish what a cart can so in your
analogy, current CD systems are crippled as well. DVD cannot be applied
to games, only video info. If that were the case, we would have seen MPEG
applied long ago. And again if you look at what is on a CD, if its a
huge game its most likely FMV thats wasting the space. VF2, one of the
msot popular Saturn games, can fit on a cartridge easily cuz it lacks
FMV. Hell VC, and Sega Rally can as well. The top hit games which seem to
sell well seem to be able to fit on a cart. Name the best games on the
PSX and Saturn and lets look to see which can fit on a cart.
: Sure there are some games (limited to very specific genres - Doom types, 2D
: scrolling games, etc) that can be done in 25 MB. The vast majority cannot,
: almost all new PC games are so bit they come on CD. Rebel Assoult II, PC
: versions of Hardball 5, NHL 96, The Dig - none of these games can be done on
: puny cartridges.
Rebel Assault 2 is basically FMV with a cursor to shoot. Limited play.
And I don't see how Hardball 95 or NHL 96 could not be put on to a cart.
: >This sounds like a 3DO advocate, denile, denile, denile.....
: This sounds like someone who couldn't think of any real arguments.
No your argument was one that couldn't think of any real argument.
: The only thing I'm an advocate of is quality games. And that's why you'll
: never find a Nintendo connected to my TV.
Funny if Nintendo doesn't create quality, then how come they are one of,
if not the biggest video game companies out there. They are #1 in Japan,
they have some of the hottest selling games on the market, and so forth.
Sorry to say Nintendo doesn't have quality games is just pure blind
advocacy and sad that you miss out on quality titles. I own every system
based on the reason that every system has quality titles that the other
systems won't get. Sorry that you miss out on quality titles. Remember
size of a game does not determine quality, its the programing and
creativity.
Marty Chinn
: >HA! Uncreavtive crap? This "uncreavite crap" hasn't scored
: >Yeah, its funny how "uncreative crap" usually sets sales records and
: >wins even the most tough of critics over. I mean, Ed Samerad , ed-in
: >chief for EGM even said that Mario 64 is the BEST game EVER made.
: >Its funny how uncreative crap can be like that.
: I just call 'em like I see 'em. I guess I just have higher standards than
: some people.
Higher standards yet you pick a 3DO over a PSX, Saturn, and SNES.
Mark Phaedrus
> "Emeka B. Okwuje" <ebok...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
> >I really don't understand this, first of all I thoughts that the 3do
has a 256kb NVRAM storage chip.
>
> Nope only 32K
You're both saying the same thing, though I don't think you realize
it. Traditionally, a lowercase "b" in memory figures means "bits"; an
uppercase "B", or no b at all, means "bytes". So 256Kb equals 32KB and
32K.
This is why I think whoever came up with the idea of advertising
videogame sizes in bits should spend at least ten years in purgatory...
:-)
> > Those little playstation (cool =
> >for trading cards though) cards are 8k i think, so go do da math...
>
> NOpe ach PSX memory card holds 128K.
Yes. A PSX memory card has fifteen 8KB memory blocks, plus an extra
8KB block for bookkeeping stuff, for a total of 128KB, with 120KB usable
for saves.
Janet Waterman
>less than 90% in the last TWO YEARS in ANY video game magazine.
>Yeah, its funny how "uncreative crap" usually sets sales records and
>wins even the most tough of critics over. I mean, Ed Samerad , ed-in
>chief for EGM even said that Mario 64 is the BEST game EVER made.
>Its funny how uncreative crap can be like that.
I just call 'em like I see 'em. I guess I just have higher standards than
some people.
Joe
Allan T Ottoson
> Nintendo is the only way to go? Like the SNES playstation/philips
system/32bit
> CD system/SGI system? Oh yeah, we must go with Nintendo. Well the M2 is
> pretty nice, it wont need a stupid bulky drive to add more storage and have a
> built in FX3 chip. What makes you so sure that if nintendo can upgrade its
> machine so easially, that the M2 can't? If nintendo came out with something
> that was indeed better than the M2 by a lot, I am sure that there would be an
> upgrade-if it was needed. The M2 will come out the same time as the Ultra64,
> or shortly after.
> Well if you want a sweet system, the 3DO is pretty cheap! $199 with 2 games
> and 2 controlers? Then you can buy some games from 3DO direct and get 3 for
> the price of 1! For the same price as a PSX with 1 game you get 5 and 2
> controllers. Yeah, the PSX has better grafx and ridge racer is better
than any
> 3DO racing game, but I'd rather be able to play 5 different games with a
buddy
> than race 1 track by myself. 3DO does have the current fun/price advantage
> over all systems!
If I really just wanted fun, and wanted to save my money, I have stayed
with my SNES. If you believe Nintendo, the SFX2 chip puts on on even
ground with the 3DO powerwise... Right now(IMHO), the SNES has the most
interesting games around.
Although, my Saturn does get a lot of my time. 3DO is on it's way out. I
may pick up a M2, but I'd never buy the current system. Less bang for your
buck is always a mistake.
--
Lest we forget...
Rikki Stevens
>> To me it seems if you buy a playstation, Saturn, or Ultra 64, I would find
>it a lot >easier to sleep at night then if I had a 3do. All IMHO of course. :)
>>
>You buy video game systems to help you sleep at night? Odd. All I care about
>is good games - and the 3DO games are ten times better than any of those
>systems (especially the pitiful U64 - who wants to downgrade to a crappy
>cartridge-based system?).
Hey, I dig the 3D0, but my sleeping at night has very little to do
with my toys. Job, bills, sex, and money seem to be slightly more
important. But hey, we are not all kiddie lamers.
Rikki Stevens
>More graphic power? Releasing a device to store data does NOT increase
>thepower of the machine.. Look at Sega CD.. no improvements.. just more
>ram to work with.
Ahh...kiddie consolers. ROM, idiot. ROM.
Janet Waterman
>with my toys. Job, bills, sex, and money seem to be slightly more
>important. But hey, we are not all kiddie lamers.
I agree, video games aren't worth losing sleep over (unless they _are_ your
job of course).
Joe
Janet Waterman
>doesn't mean the game will be better.
For the last time, NO ONE EVER SAID IT DID. What I said was that more space
is clearly better because it opens up more creative possibilities for the
programmers.
>Hardball 5 could fit, PGA 96 could fit, Need For Speed could fit, Rebel
>Assault may be a huge seller but its not a good game, but for the sake of
>argument no it couldn't fit cuz its all FMV and limited game play. D
>would be done in real time like it is being done on the M2. Myst is
>probable, since a lot of it is still pics.
Nonsense. Not one of the games above could even come close to
fitting on a cartridge, even with compression. Since you don't seem to
understand the difference between cartridges and CDs I'll explain it to you:
one is _an order of magnitude_ larger than the other. You can't take a 600MB
CD title and stuff it into a 25MB cartridge, no way no how.
Joe
Marty Chinn
: >Larger sized games do not mean they are better. There are some games that
: You are really dense aren't you? Do you ever read a post before repsponding
: to it? I never said a small game couldn't be good. But it is as clear as
: daylight that more storage allows for more creativity and flexibility for game
: designers, and makes possible many games that just can't be done in less
: space.
Ah I read but you miss the point. Just because there is more space
doesn't mean the game will be better. Creativity does not need more
space. Look at the earlier games, a lot of creativity there yet in so
much small space. How much of that space is needed though? You can fit a
considerable sized game in 25 megabytes and don't forget all the special
hardware in the U64 that will save space. And to finish this part off, if
you know that size does not restrict a game from being good, then why is
it you refuse to even look at the U64? I mean in the end its about games.
If it has good games you should play it and have fun depsite all hardware
or the medium its played on.
: >You fail
: >to acknowldge that without a large cache, lots of memory, and a fast CD
: >drive, you will get a lack of speed in execution of the game. Systems
: >these days lack the memory to accomplish what a cart can so in your
: >analogy, current CD systems are crippled as well.
: What the _hell_ are you blathering on about? I've never seen such illogical
: gibberish. Do you even know how computers work? Since you're abviously
: completely clueless, I'll give you a little computer mechanism. The CD, like
: the cartridge, is the storage mechanism. The amount of memory affects both
: systems equally, it doesn't make any difference once the program's loaded off
: the storage medium.
Geez are you that dense? The PSX and Saturn have 3 megabytes of RAM to
work with on the system, yet that isn't enough these days. Yes the CD is
a storage medium like the cartridge and any system be it computer or
video game has to load its data into RAM before it can work with it. With
a cartridge the access time is almost nil and it can easily throw stuff
into ram and take it out, however a CD has to be accessed. With more
memory, a large cache and a fast transfer rate on the cd drive, you will
cut that speed down. Do you really not know all this? This is why games
have access time. There are ways around it but it involves a lot of RAM.
A large cache will help so it can load stuff up at the same time its
using the data currently in the RAM. Its you who is clueless. Again with
a faster CD drive, more cache and more RAM, you wouldn't get the loading
time when Shang Tsung morphs.
: More nonsense. Let's see, let's pick some huge sellers. Rebel Assault, let's
: say, that's sold over a million copies. Can't do that on a cartridge.
: Hardball 5, recent golf games, Need For Speed, Starfighter, Myst, D, why the
: list seems to go on and on.
Hardball 5 could fit, PGA 96 could fit, Need For Speed could fit, Rebel
Assault may be a huge seller but its not a good game, but for the sake of
argument no it couldn't fit cuz its all FMV and limited game play. D
would be done in real time like it is being done on the M2. Myst is
probable, since a lot of it is still pics. This was too easy. Go ahead
name some more games that are huge sellers since the ones you listed
except for myst and rebel assault aren't exactly huge sellers.
: Now hang on a sec, please, please try to resist telling us there that there
: are some good small games. I KNOW that. This does not mean that you can't do
: better games (and I've provided many examples) without more storage. Please
: take some time to think this over as I know these comples logical puzzles can
: be difficult.
More storage does not mean the game will be better. More storage usually
gets abused than taken advantage of.
: Hell, by your logic why even include a catridge with the U64? I happen to
: know that Nintendo could clean up on second-hand Commodore-64 1541 disk
: drives, they'd make for a cheaper games than a cartridge. These disks hold
: 128K of data, and there since there are good games for the 64, this prooves
: that no larger storage devices are needed. Who needs 25MB? 128K is plenty.
Disk drive is slower than cartridge. Nintendo's mind frame is speed,
which cartridge is faster than disc or CD. Why do you think Nintendo is
opting for an optical drive with is about 8 times faster than CD?
: >Rebel Assault 2 is basically FMV with a cursor to shoot. Limited play.
: Yeah? Well, version one of the "Limited play" game sold over a million copies.
Which proves quality does not equal popularity, which is something you
disputed in another thread.
: >And I don't see how Hardball 95 or NHL 96 could not be put on to a cart.
: They cannot. Just like you can't buy them on floppy-disk for your PC, you
: have to get CD-ROM.
A lot of games onlyc ome on CD-ROM these days despite the game not
needing it. I seem to have put NHL 96 on to my hard drive just fine and
it wasn't too big to play. It could fit on a cart.
Mike Still
You don't have a high-standard, you just have a lot
less frontal lobe activity than most people.
Janet Waterman
Now I know you're hopelessly biased. I mean, comparing the PSX or Saturn to
3DO is fair enough (though for me 3DO won out because more and better games
available), but SNES? In the same class as those other three? GMAFB.
Joe
John Mooney
>>1) the ave price of these software.
>>
>>3DO $19.00
Where are you getting new 3DO games for $19??? Sure the old ones
are $19, but not the new ones. The new ones are still $49-$69 just like
all the other systems.
>>Then I checked the list again and figured out that 64% of the the games
>>are coming on every platform. Why shall I pay $49 for POed in
>>PlayStation, when I can get it for $19 in 3DO, etc.
You must have also seen a very small list of games if you get 64%
out of all the cross-platform games that include 3DO. Go check out the
coming soon list at the EB website(www.eboutique.com)for a more
comprehensive list. Also notice that most(I did not say all) of the
cross-platform games tend to be FMV based since they are easy to port.
>>
>> GoldStar3DO Panasonic3DO SegaSaturn Sony PlayStation
>>totalcost $199 $299 $299 $299
>>includes: Hardware Hardware Hardware HardWare
>> 1 controlar 1 cont 1 cont 1 cont
>> 2 games 1 games none none
>> value $120 value $60 $0 $0
Shouldn't the value be $40 and $20?
>>titles FIFA 95 Super SF2Turbo none none
>> Shock Wave none none none
>>extra one more Side Kick none none
>> contvalue$30 PAD $30 $0 $0
>>saving: $150+100 $90 $0 loss -$40 NVRAM
Mem cards for the PS are $20, and they can hold 4 times as much as
what a 3DO has.
>>upgradable YES YES NO NO WAY
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
I dont know how you are coming to the conclusion that the Saturn
and PS are not upgradable, but think of it this way, at least they dont
HAVE to be upgraded to compete in the market.
Patrick B. Moynihan
> > To me it seems if you buy a playstation, Saturn, or Ultra 64, I would find
> it a lot >easier to sleep at night then if I had a 3do. All IMHO of course.
Hmmm. Well, although the 3DO may not be technically superior to the PSX
or Saturn, the fact remains that some of us have been playing
next-generation 32-bit games since October 1993. We had great new games
coming out while the rest of the world was waiting for PSX and Saturn.
Now that I have a Saturn and a PSX as well, I have loaned my 3DO to a
friend who loves it -- he's not a huge videogame player, and as a result
the 3DO still just blows him away, although he still likes to come over
and play a little Tekken or Virtua Cop every now and then.
I figure when the M2 is released, I'll get my 3DO back from him and once
again have a cool, next-generation system to play games on.
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Rikki Stevens
Well yeah! I wouldnt sleep at all if I worked at Atari.
David Nagy
: Frank Booth <bc24...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
Oh, I see. The programs execute right on the CDs, huh? Amazing. A lot
of us "idiots" would have probably assumed that the data would have had
to be copied off the disc first... Live and learn.
Thanks for setting us straight, Rikki. Don't give up your day job.
Dave Nagy
Mike Still
>> To me it seems if you buy a playstation, Saturn, or Ultra 64, I would find
>it a lot >easier to sleep at night then if I had a 3do. All IMHO of course. :)
>>
>
>
>is good games - and the 3DO games are ten times better than any of those
>systems (especially the pitiful U64 - who wants to downgrade to a crappy
>cartridge-based system?).
>
access time that is 2 MILLION times faster than
a CD, and why would we want to use a medium that can
be easily upgraded? Lets all go with CDS! The companys
load them up with FMV, the access time gtakes minutes,
and best of all, the consumer feels no real price let
down from the cheapness of CDs to produce! I'll go with
you, but a 3DO then shoot myself in the foot. So Joey,
how is your mother's PPP account working out?
Mike
--
Mike Still
>Well if you want a sweet system, the 3DO is pretty cheap! $199 with 2 games
>and 2 controlers? Then you can buy some games from 3DO direct and get 3 for
>the price of 1! For the same price as a PSX with 1 game you get 5 and 2
>controllers. Yeah, the PSX has better grafx and ridge racer is better than any
>3DO racing game, but I'd rather be able to play 5 different games with a buddy
>than race 1 track by myself. 3DO does have the current fun/price advantage
>over all systems!
That is the Goldstar 3DO and its NOT compatible with the
M2 that you talk so fondly about. There is no way that the M2
will be available for an affordable price. Especially if they
add a DVD drive like they've been saying. The best game
system for the money is the SNES. You can buy it for 100$
with a game and two controllers. There have been no games
yet that have reached the fun factor of Yoshi's Island and Final
Fantasy 3 on any other systems.
Marty Chinn
: > I'm just showing that if you have
: >high standards, then why don't you pick the Saturn or PSX?
: One word: games. The only 32-bit system that can beat 3DO in game
: availability and quality is the PC (if you've got a powerful enough one).
Games is something the 3DO lacks IMO. Sure there are about 100 games out
but it lacks some of the key hits that are coming to both the Saturn and
PSX. Go ahead and list these games that out do the PSX and Saturn. Amuse me.
Janet Waterman
>high standards, then why don't you pick the Saturn or PSX?
One word: games. The only 32-bit system that can beat 3DO in game
availability and quality is the PC (if you've got a powerful enough one).
Joe
Janet Waterman
>are only 512k yet they are some of the best games made to date.
You are really dense aren't you? Do you ever read a post before repsponding
to it? I never said a small game couldn't be good. But it is as clear as
daylight that more storage allows for more creativity and flexibility for game
designers, and makes possible many games that just can't be done in less
space.
>You fail
>to acknowldge that without a large cache, lots of memory, and a fast CD
>drive, you will get a lack of speed in execution of the game. Systems
>these days lack the memory to accomplish what a cart can so in your
>analogy, current CD systems are crippled as well.
What the _hell_ are you blathering on about? I've never seen such illogical
gibberish. Do you even know how computers work? Since you're abviously
completely clueless, I'll give you a little computer mechanism. The CD, like
the cartridge, is the storage mechanism. The amount of memory affects both
systems equally, it doesn't make any difference once the program's loaded off
the storage medium.
>The top hit games which seem to
>sell well seem to be able to fit on a cart. Name the best games on the
>PSX and Saturn and lets look to see which can fit on a cart.
More nonsense. Let's see, let's pick some huge sellers. Rebel Assault, let's
say, that's sold over a million copies. Can't do that on a cartridge.
Hardball 5, recent golf games, Need For Speed, Starfighter, Myst, D, why the
list seems to go on and on.
Now hang on a sec, please, please try to resist telling us there that there
are some good small games. I KNOW that. This does not mean that you can't do
better games (and I've provided many examples) without more storage. Please
take some time to think this over as I know these comples logical puzzles can
be difficult.
Hell, by your logic why even include a catridge with the U64? I happen to
know that Nintendo could clean up on second-hand Commodore-64 1541 disk
drives, they'd make for a cheaper games than a cartridge. These disks hold
128K of data, and there since there are good games for the 64, this prooves
that no larger storage devices are needed. Who needs 25MB? 128K is plenty.
>Rebel Assault 2 is basically FMV with a cursor to shoot. Limited play.
Yeah? Well, version one of the "Limited play" game sold over a million copies.
>And I don't see how Hardball 95 or NHL 96 could not be put on to a cart.
They cannot. Just like you can't buy them on floppy-disk for your PC, you
have to get CD-ROM.
Joe
Marty Chinn
: >Higher standards yet you pick a 3DO over a PSX, Saturn, and SNES.
: Now I know you're hopelessly biased. I mean, comparing the PSX or Saturn to
: 3DO is fair enough (though for me 3DO won out because more and better games
: available), but SNES? In the same class as those other three? GMAFB.
Biased? No. But if you set a higher standard. I would put a 3DO above a
SNES, and a Saturn and PSX above a 3DO, yet that has nothing to do with
games. Games I'd rank SNES on top, PSX second, Saturn very very close
behind, and then 3DO on the bottom. First you talk about taking a step
down in standards cuz of the U64, and I'm just showing that if you have
high standards, then why don't you pick the Saturn or PSX? SNES is a wise
choice cuz of the games. Know what the SNES proves? Bits don't mean
anything, its the games, and right now the SNES has some of the best
games on the market. The PC Engine also showed this. It was an 8 bit
system yet it beat out 16 bit systems. Its the games that count, and its
something 3DO lacks.
Azhrei
<snip>
>one is _an order of magnitude_ larger than the other. You can't take a 600MB
>CD title and stuff it into a 25MB cartridge, no way no how.
>
>Joe
How many games actually take up the whole space of a CD? I think most
CD games could make a port over to cartridges minus a few things (i.e. FMV).
And would you use the exact same code in the cart version as you used in the
CD version? I honestly don't know, but I would *guess* not. Couldn't the
programmers make the code smaller if they tried? How much smaller (especially
for the U64 since it has so many goodies hardwired into the system)? I think
with a little reprograming and compression most CD games can fit in carts.
-Azhrei
nukulkij poom
>Nonsense. Not one of the games above could even come close to
>fitting on a cartridge, even with compression. Since you don't seem to
>understand the difference between cartridges and CDs I'll explain it to you:
>one is _an order of magnitude_ larger than the other. You can't take a 600MB
>CD title and stuff it into a 25MB cartridge, no way no how.
What Marty's referring to here is that the games, MINUS FMV and other memory-
munching goodies, COULD (technically) fit on a cart. Personally, I'd rather
have five seconds of load time and get FMV, voice, anime, etc. over no load
time and none of that. But I guess that's a purely subjective thing.
Poom!
Simon Barker
next generation consol. To be fair to the system it's not as bad as say
the Jaguar, but until the M2 comes out what's the point in buying one? You
get a better selection of games with the Sony Playstation and it's more
powerful. When the M2 is released it's going to be beaten by the Ultra 64,
Nintendo will force the Ultra to be the top next generation consol
nomatter what.
nukulkij poom
>Ah I read but you miss the point. Just because there is more space
>doesn't mean the game will be better. Creativity does not need more
>space.
Tell that to Microsoft--why does my paper require 47k on Word 5.0 and nearly
80k on Word 6.0? :)
Look at the earlier games, a lot of creativity there yet in so
>much small space. How much of that space is needed though? You can fit a
>considerable sized game in 25 megabytes and don't forget all the special
>hardware in the U64 that will save space. And to finish this part off, if
>you know that size does not restrict a game from being good, then why is
>it you refuse to even look at the U64? I mean in the end its about games.
>If it has good games you should play it and have fun depsite all hardware
>or the medium its played on.
I see one flaw in this reasoning--the assumption that the storage capacity
of a CD won't be used properly. Now let's say a developer has a great
RPG that he wants to release on all three systems, Saturn, PS, and U64. And
this RPG happens to have tons of voice and anime intermissions. Guess who's
not going to see such extras--it's not Saturn or PS. I know the whole spew
about CDs vs. carts, and in this case, CDs come out ahead.
>More storage does not mean the game will be better. More storage usually
>gets abused than taken advantage of.
See above.
>Disk drive is slower than cartridge. Nintendo's mind frame is speed,
>which cartridge is faster than disc or CD. Why do you think Nintendo is
>opting for an optical drive with is about 8 times faster than CD?
Here's a question. The capacity of the supposed Bulky Drive is supposed to
be 160 megabits (is this right?). Why even bother with something like this
with all the compression routines Nintendo claims to have? And what about
those 256 meg ROMS in two years? Anyone else see something out of place here?
>Which proves quality does not equal popularity, which is something you
>disputed in another thread.
Uh yeah, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, anyone?
Poom!
Curtis Kelch
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References: <4alkc5$4...@spectator.cris.com> <4ao0cs$c...@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>
Distribution:
Sorry Bladder Lips but the Ultra is already in production and it
is not better than the planned M2. Maybe if Matsushita decides to
downgrade the M2 then your statement will hold water. Remember though, if
the final products have similar specs, then Nintendo may have an edge if
they do as good of a job software recruiting as Sony did.
Zsolt Szabo
>>The top hit games which seem to
>>sell well seem to be able to fit on a cart. Name the best games on the
>>PSX and Saturn and lets look to see which can fit on a cart.
>
>More nonsense. Let's see, let's pick some huge sellers. Rebel Assault, let's
>say, that's sold over a million copies. Can't do that on a cartridge.
>Hardball 5, recent golf games, Need For Speed, Starfighter, Myst, D, why the
>list seems to go on and on.
There is just one word to be said: Doom. Doom revolutionized the game market.
Doom sold more copies than all the games you mentioned above combined. Doom
sold computer systems. Please point out the game(s) from your list above that
were so popular that their creators (that is, the programmers) are now driving
Ferraris.
Oh, by the way, did I mention that Doom was not CD based?
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<<<Games is something the 3DO lacks IMO. Sure there are about 100 games
out
but it lacks some of the key hits that are coming to both the Saturn and
PSX. Go ahead and list these games that out do the PSX and Saturn. Amuse
me.>>>
FIFA Soccer, Star Fighter, SSF2T, Need for Speed, Road Rash, Slam n Jam,
D, PO'ed, Killing Time, Foes of Ali
Mark W. Maurer
: On 12 Dec 1995, Mike Still wrote:
: > HA! Uncreavtive crap? This "uncreavite crap" hasn't scored
: > less than 90% in the last TWO YEARS in ANY video game magazine.
: > Yeah, its funny how "uncreative crap" usually sets sales records and
: > wins even the most tough of critics over. I mean, Ed Samerad , ed-in
: > chief for EGM even said that Mario 64 is the BEST game EVER made.
: > Its funny how uncreative crap can be like that.
: And it's funny when you use references to magazines that are so Nintendo
: and Sega biased that they aren't even reliable for accurate ratings
: anymore. Seems like the reviews check the platform and say, "Oh,
: Nintendo. 90%! Hmm, Jaguar. We're not receiving any payola from them
: at the moment... 65%" regardless of actual game quality. And any game
: that is in the same genre of Mario simply CAN'T be the "best game ever"
: in my books. That formula wore itself out about 5 years ago. Maybe it's
: just because I've matured as a gamer and want more for my money than the
: same old game with some new levels and better graphics.
: -Eric
By that logic, there go all of the fighting games (3d, 2d, whatever, it is
still a fighting game), all sports, all shooters, all rpgs, .....
Honestly, what is the ACTUAL difference besides minor improvements in
graphics, sound, whatever, in, say, Madden 94 and then Madden 96? It is
basically the same game with new packaging. Most games are.
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Krom
Mark Phaedrus (phae...@coho.halcyon.com) wrote:
: In article <4akot7$9...@daryl.scsn.net>, Rikki Stevens <ri...@scsn.net> wrote:
: >Frank Booth <bc24...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
: >
: >>More graphic power? Releasing a device to store data does NOT increase
: >>thepower of the machine.. Look at Sega CD.. no improvements.. just more
: >>ram to work with.
: >Ahh...kiddie consolers. ROM, idiot. ROM.
: From the Sega CD manual, page 24, "Hardware Information": "RAM: 6 Mbit
: (program, picture data, sound data). 512 Kbit (PCM waveform memory).
: 128 Kbit (CD-ROM data cache memory). 64Kbit(backup memory)."
: You need to be careful before you start throwing words like "idiot"
: around. Otherwise they have a disturbing tendency to make 180-degree turns.
: (That being said, it's not quite accurate to say that the Sega CD had
: "no improvements". There were no graphic improvements, but the PCM sound chip
: was added. Not many games used it, but it was impressive in the games that
: did, notably some of the levels on Sonic CD.)
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Marty Chinn
: Nonsense. Not one of the games above could even come close to
: fitting on a cartridge, even with compression. Since you don't seem to
: understand the difference between cartridges and CDs I'll explain it to you:
: one is _an order of magnitude_ larger than the other. You can't take a 600MB
: CD title and stuff it into a 25MB cartridge, no way no how.
The games I listed above that I said could fit, could fit. Rebel Assault,
Myst, and D could not due to all the FMV they consist. And you don't
understand the point of memory used. Sure 650 MB is more than 25 MB. Yet
in reality, the key thing is how much of that 650 is used? Majority of
games, and I would guess more than 90% do not even come close to needing
the memory of a CD-ROM. If I have a house and live alone, what good does
it do me to have a house with 5 bedrooms when I only need one and only
use one? The mem is there but is it used? No. More than 90% of the games
are closer to 25 megabytes than 650, or even a 100 megabytes. Until I see
a game that actually needs a CD, actual game, not FMV fluff, cartridges
will still be fine to use. Look at the games that are int he works now.
All look great and yet done on a cart. Look at how big your favorite
games are, not exactly very big. Virtua Fighter 2, Tekken, Ridge Racer,
Daytona, and so forth, some of the hottest games out there, are easily
fit on to a cartridge.
Marty Chinn
FIFA, Road Rash, Slam N Jam, NBA In the Zone, PO'ed, Doom, Warhawk, D,
Street Fighter Zero, and maybe Need For Speed all are either on the
system now or coming soon, all either the same game, or something
comparable. No way do the titles you listed out do the PSX or Saturn.
Mike Still
>Someone said:
><<<Games is something the 3DO lacks IMO. Sure there are about 100 games
>out
>but it lacks some of the key hits that are coming to both the Saturn and
>PSX. Go ahead and list these games that out do the PSX and Saturn. Amuse
>me.>>>
>
>FIFA Soccer, Star Fighter, SSF2T, Need for Speed, Road Rash, Slam n Jam,
>D, PO'ed, Killing Time, Foes of Ali
Funny, most of them are being released on the PSX, only
the PSX versions are VASTLY improved. Come spring, I'm going
to be playing a PERFECT version of Street Fighter Alpha
on my PSX. I'm already playing a better version of FIFA,
several games that make the Need for Speed look like Pole
Position (Ridge RAcer, DEstruction Derby), and if I'm
so enclined, I can go out and buy a new version of Road
Rash next month. But hey, if low quality titles float
your boat then "LONG LIVE THE SINGLE 3DO SUPPORTER!"
Patrick B. Moynihan
> Frank Booth <bc24...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
>
> >More graphic power? Releasing a device to store data does NOT increase
> >thepower of the machine.. Look at Sega CD.. no improvements.. just more
> >ram to work with.
>
> Ahh...kiddie consolers. ROM, idiot. ROM.
You are mistaken, Rikki. The Sega CD actually did have RAM in it, because
to play Sega CD games you must load them into RAM. The cartridges are
ROMs. You ought to be certain of your facts before calling other people
idiots.
Also, Frank is mistaken in that the Sega CD *did* add a few improvements
to the original Genesis design. Most notably, hardware scaling and
rotation were added with the Sega CD. Previously this had to be done in
software and was much slower as a result.
I can't believe how full of misinformation this thread is...
Mike Still
>What Marty's referring to here is that the games, MINUS FMV and other memory-
>munching goodies, COULD (technically) fit on a cart. Personally, I'd rather
>have five seconds of load time and get FMV, voice, anime, etc. over no load
>time and none of that. But I guess that's a purely subjective thing.
>
Five seconds of load time? What system are you playing?
Thomas Pancoast
>Higher standards yet you pick a 3DO over a PSX, Saturn, and SNES.
And never forget that Marty isn't anti-3do!
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Thomas W Pancoast "An object at rest cannot be stopped!"
Marty Chinn
: Tell that to Microsoft--why does my paper require 47k on Word 5.0 and nearly
: 80k on Word 6.0? :)
Microsoft, enough said =)
: I see one flaw in this reasoning--the assumption that the storage capacity
: of a CD won't be used properly. Now let's say a developer has a great
: RPG that he wants to release on all three systems, Saturn, PS, and U64. And
: this RPG happens to have tons of voice and anime intermissions. Guess who's
: not going to see such extras--it's not Saturn or PS. I know the whole spew
: about CDs vs. carts, and in this case, CDs come out ahead.
While I agree it can have its advantages, and I'm not saying CDs are
totally inferior to carts, you have to look at the current crop of games
and most of them do not take advantage of the space but rather abuse it.
I agree with a RPG like you gave an example of, it would be used great.
Lunar 2 is a good example. My whole argument was more of that cartridges
aren't exactly obsolete either and that CDs don't totatlly kick the crap
out of carts. They don't. I believe most games can fit on a cartridge.
: Here's a question. The capacity of the supposed Bulky Drive is supposed to
: be 160 megabits (is this right?). Why even bother with something like this
: with all the compression routines Nintendo claims to have? And what about
: those 256 meg ROMS in two years? Anyone else see something out of place here?
Actually no, the capacity is about 120 to 160 megabytes, not megabits.
Big difference. Nintendo probably has some good compression schemes as
well as taking advantage of all the specialized hardware which i'm sure
they'll fit a lot on to a cart. The QT movies looked pretty damn good to
me. As for the 256 meg roms, heh i'll believe those when i see it.
: Poom!
Marty Chinn
: Janet_W...@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Waterman) writes:
: >Nonsense. Not one of the games above could even come close to
: >fitting on a cartridge, even with compression. Since you don't seem to
: >understand the difference between cartridges and CDs I'll explain it to you:
: >one is _an order of magnitude_ larger than the other. You can't take a 600MB
: >CD title and stuff it into a 25MB cartridge, no way no how.
: What Marty's referring to here is that the games, MINUS FMV and other memory-
: munching goodies, COULD (technically) fit on a cart. Personally, I'd rather
: have five seconds of load time and get FMV, voice, anime, etc. over no load
: time and none of that. But I guess that's a purely subjective thing.
Personally i'd like all the goodies with no load time. I know the sports
games he listed could fit on a cartridge. That shouldn't be a probelm. Of
course Rebel Assault, and Myst probably would be a problem.
Eric Johnson
Mark Phaedrus
>Frank Booth <bc24...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
>
>>More graphic power? Releasing a device to store data does NOT increase
>>thepower of the machine.. Look at Sega CD.. no improvements.. just more
>>ram to work with.
>Ahh...kiddie consolers. ROM, idiot. ROM.
From the Sega CD manual, page 24, "Hardware Information": "RAM: 6 Mbit
Roger Huebner
: Remy Saville <r...@guild.bc.ca> wrote:
: >Well if you want a sweet system, the 3DO is pretty cheap! $199 with 2 games
: >and 2 controlers? Then you can buy some games from 3DO direct and get 3 for
: >the price of 1! For the same price as a PSX with 1 game you get 5 and 2
: >controllers. Yeah, the PSX has better grafx and ridge racer is better than any
: >3DO racing game, but I'd rather be able to play 5 different games with a buddy
: >than race 1 track by myself. 3DO does have the current fun/price advantage
: >over all systems!
: That is the Goldstar 3DO and its NOT compatible with the
: M2 that you talk so fondly about. There is no way that the M2
: will be available for an affordable price. Especially if they
: add a DVD drive like they've been saying.
Well, I guess tiny old Matsushita should be taking business lessons from
the makers of the Virtual Boy. How do you know it will not be available
at an affordable price and what would their incentive be for doing so
in the first place?
: The best game system for the money is the SNES. You can buy it for 100$
: with a game and two controllers.
Face it. The SNES's days are numbered. I want a system with a future.
: There have been no games yet that have reached the fun factor of Yoshi's
: Island and Final Fantasy 3 on any other systems.
Although years ago when I had an SNES I *did* thoroughly enjoy FF2, Zelda
and all of the other games of that era, but time has passed and technology
and technique have moved on. I find as much enjoyment in 3DO's Starfighter,
D and in the hordes of PC RPG's.
Mike Still
>>You don't have a high-standard, you just have a lot
>>less frontal lobe activity than most people.
>
>That's right, when you can't think of anything to say just get the insults
>out. You learn that in debating class?
Look little Joey. First of all, you've already used that debating class
line (and may I say, its wasn't very funny the first time). Secondly,,
I've answered MOST of your posts with large letters explaining why you
are wrong. I'm just gettting sick of listening to you rattle on.
Mike
Janet Waterman
>hve a Phd in video games or whatever the hell you said.
Hey, at least I've shared where my expertise came from. What did you say your
qualifications are?
Joe
Mike Still
>Nonsense. Not one of the games above could even come close to
>fitting on a cartridge, even with compression. Since you don't seem to
>understand the difference between cartridges and CDs I'll explain it to you:
>one is _an order of magnitude_ larger than the other. You can't take a 600MB
>CD title and stuff it into a 25MB cartridge, no way no how.
Duh.... my name is Janet.... err Joe... err Janet.
Anyway, when was the last time that you looked at a
CD through your file manager? Most of them take up less
than a quarter of the space of the CD. With initial
NU64 games that will be in the 45 megaBYTE range uncompressed,
I'd say that they'll be able to fit some pretty impressive
stuff on there. REmember that games like DKC2 and SMW2 are
only FOUR MEGABYTES, yet they are more fun to play than
ALL of the 3DO's games.
Chris Long
Marty Chinn <vids...@netcom.com> wrote:
>games. Games I'd rank SNES on top, PSX second, Saturn very very close
>behind, and then 3DO on the bottom. First you talk about taking a step
In terms of hours I've logged I'd rate SNES, PSX, and 3DO almost
equally; Saturn is way down there with the 32x. The 3DO has some
absolutely *excellent* games out.
>system yet it beat out 16 bit systems. Its the games that count, and its
>something 3DO lacks.
I disagree. By the way, do you still stick to your opinion that the
32x will outlive the 3DO?
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Mike Still
>>Larger sized games do not mean they are better. There are some games that
>>are only 512k yet they are some of the best games made to date.
>
>You are really dense aren't you? Do you ever read a post before repsponding
>to it? I never said a small game couldn't be good. But it is as clear as
>daylight that more storage allows for more creativity and flexibility for game
>designers, and makes possible many games that just can't be done in less
>space.
>
Any good programmer can get around the fact that carts use less space. I don't
see Sigeru Miyamoto whining and saying "But Mr Yamaguchi! I don't have enough
space to make Mario 64.... whaaaa!" Have you seen what Miyamoto was able to
accomplish with the NU64 by just using "lowly" carts? Its a hell of a lot more
than ANY programmer has been able to do by just using CDS. Oh, but I'm sure Mario64
would be a lot better on a CD. Not only would it be priced the same than as
if it were on a cart, it would also have a 2 minute loading time between each level,
and we'd be treated to a SGI MArio going "Heya! I'm Mario!"
>>You fail
>>to acknowldge that without a large cache, lots of memory, and a fast CD
>>drive, you will get a lack of speed in execution of the game. Systems
>>these days lack the memory to accomplish what a cart can so in your
>>analogy, current CD systems are crippled as well.
>
>What the _hell_ are you blathering on about? I've never seen such illogical
>gibberish. Do you even know how computers work? Since you're abviously
>completely clueless, I'll give you a little computer mechanism. The CD, like
>the cartridge, is the storage mechanism. The amount of memory affects both
>systems equally, it doesn't make any difference once the program's loaded off
>the storage medium.
>
He isn't talking gibbersish. Many of the systems out there lack the memory and
cache to make CDs viable. Oh, but I guess you already know this since you
hve a Phd in video games or whatever the hell you said.
>>The top hit games which seem to
>>sell well seem to be able to fit on a cart. Name the best games on the
>>PSX and Saturn and lets look to see which can fit on a cart.
>
>More nonsense. Let's see, let's pick some huge sellers. Rebel Assault, let's
>say, that's sold over a million copies. Can't do that on a cartridge.
>Hardball 5, recent golf games, Need For Speed, Starfighter, Myst, D, why the
>list seems to go on and on.
>
Sure REbel Assult was a huge seller, but that's just because its something that
no one has ever seen before. It was the first time that anyone had been able
to fly around a ?StarDestroyer. Sure, you were on tracks, but it was pretty
neat the first time that you'd see it. The new game "Shadows of the EMpire"
on the other hand is being made by the designers of X-Wing, Tie Fighter, Rebel
Assult and Dark Forces. in this game you will be able to fly in REAL TIME around
StarDestroyers, AT-ATs and dozens of other StarWars fixtures. I don't see the
developers of that complaining that its going to be on a cart. As a matter of
fact, Shadows will be Lucas' biggest project since the original StarWars movies.
BTW, D's, Need for Speed, and StarFighter were all mediocre games that sold very few.
copies. You say that CDs sell huge amounts. Well show me a CD that sold a million
copies and I'll show you five carts that sold five times more.
>They cannot. Just like you can't buy them on floppy-disk for your PC, you
>have to get CD-ROM.
>
This is because CDs are faster than floppies, have uninterrupted
game data, and are cheeper to produce.
>Joe
Yeah right.
ACLAM
(technically) fit on a cart.<<<<
FYI - the CD image for PO'ed was 98 megabytes. This is without
compression and includes a 30 megabyte soundfile for the title music. I'm
not sure if you could really compress all this down to a small enough
image to put on a price-reasonable cart....
Phil Lam
Any Channel
Phil Lam
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mike peters
>games, and I would guess more than 90% do not even come close to needing
>the memory of a CD-ROM. If I have a house and live alone, what good does
>it do me to have a house with 5 bedrooms when I only need one and only
>use one? The mem is there but is it used? No. More than 90% of the games
>are closer to 25 megabytes than 650, or even a 100 megabytes. Until I see
>a game that actually needs a CD, actual game, not FMV fluff, cartridges
>will still be fine to use. Look at the games that are int he works now.
One of the major advantages to a cd is the quality of the soundtracks
that can be made for the games. The nice cd stereo soundtracks really
add to some of the games.
I think the ideal system would be a cartridge/cd mix. All the
graphics and stuff that need to be quickly loaded could be pulled off
the cartridge, while the cd could be used for playing the soundtracks
and buffering other graphics to memory.
Scarrow
> : FIFA Soccer, Star Fighter, SSF2T, Need for Speed, Road Rash, Slam n Jam,
> : D, PO'ed, Killing Time, Foes of Ali
> FIFA, Road Rash, Slam N Jam, NBA In the Zone, PO'ed, Doom, Warhawk, D,
> Street Fighter Zero, and maybe Need For Speed all are either on the
> system now or coming soon, all either the same game, or something
> comparable. No way do the titles you listed out do the PSX or Saturn.
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Ah, Marty, Marty, Marty ... what sense is there in comparing released 3DO titles
with unreleased titles for other systems? None. Sure, the Playstation has more
raw horsepower and will soon be getting ports of some of the better 3DO titles.
Why wouldn't it? It has the benefit of using the past to do so. So what? The
entire matter will change again with the release of the next new machine and the
next new machine and the next new machine and the ne...
On the other hand, I'll be sitting happily at home playing my new M2 games,
and, when I get bored for a bit, I'll still be able to pop in Need For Speed and
try a few circuits against Mr. X. I'll do all this without buying yet another
seperate console. Frankly, it has nothing to do with the currently most powerful
system. The most powerful system is changing now at a rate of about once every
one and a half years or so. Only a fool drops his commitments to each older
machine the instant it is superseded. Hell, I still own my Genesis and my SNES
plus a 3DO and Playstation. Give them up for the next generation machine? Never.
I like 'em all. You, on the other hand, consistently change your opinion to
which ever way the market points. Yet another brainwashed zombie of the gaming
magazine masses ...
- Scarrow
Who still thinks that the simple
creation of a game as cool as
"Need For Speed" validates the
entire 3DO experience.
Joe Ottoson
Janet_W...@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Waterman) wrote:
> All I care about
> is good games - and the 3DO games are ten times better than any of those
> systems (especially the pitiful U64 - who wants to downgrade to a crappy
> cartridge-based system?).
>
> Joe
I personally feel that my Apple 2e games beat out most 3DO games. I'm glad
I wasn't blinded by 3DO's hype. I'd also take any of the Virtua Fighter
series over a 3DO.
--
Lest we forget...
Janet Waterman
>less frontal lobe activity than most people.
That's right, when you can't think of anything to say just get the insults
out. You learn that in debating class?
Joe
Janet Waterman
>Myst, and D could not due to all the FMV they consist. And you don't
I've repeated myself to you for the last time, and you apparently haven't read
a single one of my messages. When your reading comprehension skills improve,
perhaps we can debate (and in context of our conversation I use this term
loosely) again.
Joe
Tyler Vallillee
>: One word: games. The only 32-bit system that can beat 3DO in game
>: availability and quality is the PC (if you've got a powerful enough one).
>
>Games is something the 3DO lacks IMO. Sure there are about 100 games out
>but it lacks some of the key hits that are coming to both the Saturn and
>PSX. Go ahead and list these games that out do the PSX and Saturn. Amuse me.
>
It stuns me that some people actually think that PSX and Saturn each
have better games than 3DO. COMBINED both systems have half as many
good games as 3DO. Lets list these:
Need For Speed: Is there any other game on any 32-bit system that can hold
even as much as a candle to this title? Graphically it is not the
best anymore but for a recurring challenge and gameplay it may be
the best game of all time. What does the PSX have: Ridge Racer, a game
that boasts 1 track that takes 1 minute to complete. Yeah it may look
nice for the first minute... until you start feeling ripped off.
Space Hulk: Alas, Action and strategy executed in the most haunting of
environments. A good framerate and huge challenge make this game great.
The PSX has Kileak... I won't waste bandwidth describing this. Saturn
has nada.
Starfighter: Wow! Another 3DO title that may be a little inferior in
graphics but superior in gameplay and fun. Air Combat and Warhawk for the
PSX look better but are over quick... where's the fun there?? I guess
trying to sell them over the Net could be a long-term adventure, but that's
not for me.
I could go on and on but I think the bottom line is: PSX and Saturn games
are for the most part all glitz and little substance. Sure there are
some outstanding titles but the 3 3DO games above whoop almost all of
them. Genre-by-genre there is no comparison.
See the light, go 3DO.
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Mike Still
>
>I see one flaw in this reasoning--the assumption that the storage capacity
>of a CD won't be used properly. Now let's say a developer has a great
>RPG that he wants to release on all three systems, Saturn, PS, and U64. And
>this RPG happens to have tons of voice and anime intermissions. Guess who's
>not going to see such extras--it's not Saturn or PS. I know the whole spew
>about CDs vs. carts, and in this case, CDs come out ahead.
>
Just remember that Lunar 2 took up about 100 times more space than
Final Fantasy 3. Yet which one was the better RPG., Its
an almost unanimous consent that FF3 is a better game.
Joe Ottoson
> >Hardball 5 could fit, PGA 96 could fit, Need For Speed could fit, Rebel
> >Assault may be a huge seller but its not a good game, but for the sake of
> >argument no it couldn't fit cuz its all FMV and limited game play. D
> >would be done in real time like it is being done on the M2. Myst is
> >probable, since a lot of it is still pics.
>
> Nonsense. Not one of the games above could even come close to
> fitting on a cartridge, even with compression. Since you don't seem to
> understand the difference between cartridges and CDs I'll explain it to you:
> one is _an order of magnitude_ larger than the other. You can't take a 600MB
> CD title and stuff it into a 25MB cartridge, no way no how.
>
> Joe
And how much of that 600MB is used for the game? In most PSx or Saturn
games, the game data rarely takes up more than 10-25MB. (Ridge Racer takes
4 MB) Just put one of these games in your CD rom and take a look. FMV and
music usually take up most of the disc. Just to say "It can be done", take
a good look at KI for the SNES. It is a cart version of a fairly large
arcade game. 300+MB(it's been awhile since I saw the exact #) down to
32Mb.
--
Lest we forget...
Dave Caldwell
FIFA-I hate soccer
SSF2T-It was good for the first littlw while it was out.
Need For Speed-I like Ridge Racer better
Road Rash-coming for PS
Killing Time-He said out do, this game sucked IMO.
Foes of Ali-Hate Ali, and hate the game even more.
You spent $$$ on 3DO so thats why you think 3DO is better, thats why
this talk should all end. But I think 3DO sucks now, they had better
get their asses in gear.
~Mike
Janet Waterman
Sorry 'bout, that Mike, didn't mean to confuse you. You see, some men have
female friends (no your mother doesn't count).
Joe
Alan L.M. Buxey
: Nintendo will force the Ultra to be the top next generation consol
: nomatter what.
Nintendo are no good with technology - SG are doing all the work -
Nintendo themselves will push out the console without really knowing how
it ticks - then force developers to pay massive amounts to publish on it
(without even getting lucrative returns) Nintendo wil cover the loss
each unit makes by getting mass profit on each cart.
The current Nintendos are dying BIG style, nintendo is soon not going to
be a consumer name for consoles if they delay the Ultra 64 release to
the rest of the world for any longer...
alan
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>
> Sorry Bladder Lips but the Ultra is already in production and it
>is not better than the planned M2. Maybe if Matsushita decides to
>downgrade the M2 then your statement will hold water. Remember though, if
>the final products have similar specs, then Nintendo may have an edge if
>they do as good of a job software recruiting as Sony did.
Just remember, Kidney Lips, that Nintendo was able to do better business with
the SNES, which is about 50 times less powerful than the 3DO. I'm sure that
they'll be able to do just fine with against the M2. The M2 really doesn't
have that much that is better than the NU64. Other than the storage facilities
(which the NU64 makes up by the fact that the access time is nil), there is
nothing that I can think of. Remember that Nintendo has a TON of exclusive
developers for the NU64. Have you seen Mario64 in action yet? Truely Next
Generational.
Marty Chinn
: >Games is something the 3DO lacks IMO. Sure there are about 100 games out
: >PSX. Go ahead and list these games that out do the PSX and Saturn. Amuse me.
: >
: It stuns me that some people actually think that PSX and Saturn each
: have better games than 3DO. COMBINED both systems have half as many
: good games as 3DO. Lets list these:
Wrong. There are about 100 games out for the 3DO. Almost reached 50 for
the PSX, and about 40 on the Saturn. Combined they equal almost the 3DO
library. And within less than half of the year for Saturn and only 3.5
months for the PSX, they have almost 50% the number of games the 3DO has.
: Need For Speed: Is there any other game on any 32-bit system that can hold
: even as much as a candle to this title? Graphically it is not the
: best anymore but for a recurring challenge and gameplay it may be
: the best game of all time. What does the PSX have: Ridge Racer, a game
: that boasts 1 track that takes 1 minute to complete. Yeah it may look
: nice for the first minute... until you start feeling ripped off.
Wipeout, Sega Rally, Daytona, are a few other racing games you could
mention. NFS is a great game, but its also being brought out on the PSX
and Saturn with a smoother frame rate.
: Space Hulk: Alas, Action and strategy executed in the most haunting of
: environments. A good framerate and huge challenge make this game great.
: The PSX has Kileak... I won't waste bandwidth describing this. Saturn
: has nada.
PSX has Doom, that should be enough said there but lets go on, did you
know a PSX version of Space Hulk is due out soon? Smoother frame rate as
well.
: Starfighter: Wow! Another 3DO title that may be a little inferior in
: graphics but superior in gameplay and fun. Air Combat and Warhawk for the
: PSX look better but are over quick... where's the fun there?? I guess
: trying to sell them over the Net could be a long-term adventure, but that's
: not for me.
Starfighter is great. Also exclusive. I don't think Warhawk is that quick
to finish though I do agree Warhawk needs to be longer. If it wasn't for
the length, Warhawk would probably edge out Starfighter.
: I could go on and on but I think the bottom line is: PSX and Saturn games
: are for the most part all glitz and little substance. Sure there are
: some outstanding titles but the 3 3DO games above whoop almost all of
: them. Genre-by-genre there is no comparison.
Each of the titles you listed are good, but there are also great titles
on both the Saturn and PSX that have both the glitz as you put it and the
depth and substance.
: See the light, go 3DO.
If 3DO was the light, why have sales almost completely stopped in stores?
3DO isn't outselling PSX or Saturn in any store I bet ya.
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: Tyler Vallillee | 2B Computer Science, University of Waterloo
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Maintainer of the SNMP Beginner's Homepage! Visit it & other fun suff at:
: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~tkvallil/index.html
Marty Chinn
: Ah, Marty, Marty, Marty ... what sense is there in comparing released 3DO titles
: with unreleased titles for other systems? None. Sure, the Playstation has more
: raw horsepower and will soon be getting ports of some of the better 3DO titles.
: Why wouldn't it? It has the benefit of using the past to do so. So what? The
: entire matter will change again with the release of the next new machine and the
: next new machine and the next new machine and the ne...
The 3DO has great titles, but I don't believe the titles outdo the best
PSX or Saturn titles like the previous poster stated.
: On the other hand, I'll be sitting happily at home playing my new M2 games,
: and, when I get bored for a bit, I'll still be able to pop in Need For Speed and
: try a few circuits against Mr. X. I'll do all this without buying yet another
: seperate console. Frankly, it has nothing to do with the currently most powerful
: system. The most powerful system is changing now at a rate of about once every
: one and a half years or so. Only a fool drops his commitments to each older
: machine the instant it is superseded. Hell, I still own my Genesis and my SNES
: plus a 3DO and Playstation. Give them up for the next generation machine? Never.
: I like 'em all. You, on the other hand, consistently change your opinion to
: which ever way the market points. Yet another brainwashed zombie of the gaming
: magazine masses ...
You'll be playing M2 late next year unfortunately. 3DO is going to have a
huge dead gap for the first half to first 3/4 of the year next year. Me
change opinion? Nope. I've been quite consistant, and I do own all the
systems so its not like I drop one for the other. Brainwashed? Not. I
play games not systems, and I disagree with what the original poster
said. I don't think the best 3DO title out does the best PSX or Saturn
title. Does that mean the 3DO doesn't have good games? No. I still play
my 3DO for PO'ed, and Space Hulk. However the releases on the PSX have
been pretty swift lately and its been hard to keep up with playing the
various games. There are just so many games I seem to enjoy on the PSX
and so little that are coming out on the 3DO. Within 3.5 months, the PSX
already has half the 3DO library. Saturn is heating up too. Lots of great
games lately, while titles trickle out slowly on the 3DO and I guarentee
you it will be almost dead for 96 as far as releases are concerned.
: - Scarrow
: Who still thinks that the simple
: creation of a game as cool as
: "Need For Speed" validates the
: entire 3DO experience.
Azhrei
>
>Aside from the extra goodies, you're also forgetting that you'll probably
>save about 30-40 bucks by buying the CD version.
>
A savings of $30-$40? CD's are cheaper, but that's a bit
far fetched. More like half that; $15-$20. I've seen no
CD games that cost $30 that would've been priced $60 or
$70 if done on cartridge.
-Azhrei
Dr. Moze
phae...@coho.halcyon.com (Mark Phaedrus) writes:
> In article <4akot7$9...@daryl.scsn.net>, Rikki Stevens <ri...@scsn.net> wrote:
> >Frank Booth <bc24...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>More graphic power? Releasing a device to store data does NOT increase
> >>thepower of the machine.. Look at Sega CD.. no improvements.. just more
> >>ram to work with.
>
> >Ahh...kiddie consolers. ROM, idiot. ROM.
>
> From the Sega CD manual, page 24, "Hardware Information": "RAM: 6 Mbit
> (program, picture data, sound data). 512 Kbit (PCM waveform memory).
> 128 Kbit (CD-ROM data cache memory). 64Kbit(backup memory)."
Whoops! Earlier in this thread, looks like *I* misinterpreted the
argument. For the case of the Sega CD *unit* (not just CD formats in
general), yeah, there *is* a lot more processing power. And, besides
the extra RAM, the Sega CD has a 68000 CPU (in addition to the one in
the Genesis).
----
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Azhrei
>
>: >> Sorry Bladder Lips but the Ultra is already in production and it
>: >Just remember, Kidney Lips, that Nintendo was able to do better business
>: Sorry Blubber lips, Mike is right and even at the end of it all Nintendo
>: is the ultimate distributor,
<snip>
>: . The amount of time
>: Nintendo is taking is something of a concern, isn't there a saying that
>: go's along the lines of 'Strike while the Iron is hot'?
>
>FYI, colon lips,
>
>...... I seem to remember a day when Atari was the ultimate distributor. Remember how far they went. The Iron should've been hot 6 months ago......someb
>at Nintendo must've forgot to pump the bellows.
>
>< I really just wanted to keep the <misc organ> lips thing going >
>--
Keep in mind, butt for lips (sorry, Jeffrey; couldn't help myself.
Hope you understand.), that the SNES come out almost a year after
the Genesis, and it still met with good success. Apparently the
"Iron" holds its heat for Nintendo. I'm one that thinks the U64
will be more successful than the M2 and that the companies will,
again, take roles similar to that of their previous generation
systems. But I'm no clarevoyant, and I could be wrong...
-Azhrei
tuffy
: pnuk...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (nukulkij poom) wrote:
: >What Marty's referring to here is that the games, MINUS FMV and other memory-
: >munching goodies, COULD (technically) fit on a cart. Personally, I'd rather
: >have five seconds of load time and get FMV, voice, anime, etc. over no load
: >time and none of that. But I guess that's a purely subjective thing.
: >
: Five seconds of load time? What system are you playing?
Sega Rally takes about 5-10 seconds to load an entire track. I haven't
bothered to actually time it, but it's nowhere near the "minutes" of load
time others have claimed.
Kevin Heider
In article <4aqg3q$1...@ns2.ptd.net>, mst...@postoffice.ptd.net says...
:Nintendo is the ultimate distributor, they had the NES (success),
:Gameboy (excellent), SNES (amazing).
Gameboy excellent?? Sorry, but from a technical capability point, "the
old fashioned black and white" Gameboy is the WORSE handheld! The
GameGear, ATARI Lynx, and Turbo Express are ALL technically SUPERIOR to
the GameBOY.
And oh yeah, the Virtual Boy isn't very good either.
The U64 should be great, but Nintendo has released crap in the past
(see above).
-- Kevin Heider
Don't get me wrong I like Nintendo. Hell, all I *currently* own are a
SNES, TG-16, and a PC. But the Gameboy and Virtual Boy would be
NOWHERE without Nintendo's marketing muscle.