98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap!
The Mario Monks
98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap. Out
of the 340+ games available, only 7 are worth buying:
Resident Evil
Vandal Hearts
Super Puzzle Fighter 2
Final Fantasy 7
Tomb Raider
Twisted Metal
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Most of you misguided 32bit Sony trolls are always complaining
that the N64 only has a handful of games…it looks like the PSX has
even less than that! At this rate the PSX only gets a good game every
5 months! At least the N64 gets awesome software every month.
Hopefully this little fact will help lead you out of 32bit hell into
the garden of N64. May Mario bless you all!
The Mario Monks
M Tseytlin
In <340201e...@news.niagara.com> Wor...@the.way.of.mario (The
Mario Monks) writes:
>
You are pathetic.. psx has better games in EVERY genre than N64, you
need to jsut give up the 150 bucks, buy psx and play REAL good games
instead of the crap you get on n64! Btw, you forgot:
Tm2
Ncaa 98
Live 97
TP97
Madden 97(soon 98)
Shakoden(sp?)
Wild Arms
Time Crisis
Tekken 2 and many many more!
MISHA
King Jeff
The Mario Monks wrote:
>
> 98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap. Out
> of the 340+ games available, only 7 are worth buying:
>
Your opinion is your right, and I respect that. Don't take offense
from my reply:
You've left out a LOT of games that are worth buying. Wild Arms, Jet
Moto, Die Hard Trilogy, and I'm just looking at what I can see on my
shelf right now. Give me a list and I could find 50 games worth
buying. Even if those seven are all there are, however, it's still more
than the N64 has to offer ;).
-jeff
PS God help me, I can't stop playing Goldeneye!
Devilot
The Mario Monks wrote:
>
> 98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap. Out
> of the 340+ games available, only 7 are worth buying:
>
> Vandal Hearts
> Super Puzzle Fighter 2
> Final Fantasy 7
> Tomb Raider
> Twisted Metal
> Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
>
> Most of you misguided 32bit Sony trolls are always complaining
> that the N64 only has a handful of games…it looks like the PSX has
> even less than that! At this rate the PSX only gets a good game every
> 5 months! At least the N64 gets awesome software every month.
> Hopefully this little fact will help lead you out of 32bit hell into
> the garden of N64. May Mario bless you all!
>
> The Mario Monks
>
Uh...you forgot:
Tetris Plus
Suikoden
Wild Arms
Ogre Battle Limited Edition
Persona
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Mega Man 8
Mega Man X4
Crash Bandicoot
Rage Racer
Wipeout XL
X-Com UFO Defense
Powerslave
Pandemonium!
Tobal No. 1
Tekken 2
Alundra
Dragon Ball Z Legends (OK, so it's not out in the US...it still rules!)
Admittedly, I have left at least a hundred titles out of this list,
especially those in genres I don't play (such as sports). Nevertheless,
you now have in this list more good (I admit not all of the games on
this list are great, but they are all at least good) games than exist on
the N64 at the moment...but let's not judge the damn systems! If you're
happy with the one you have, great, if not, don't bug us by insulting
our system, you troll.
Darien Allen
On Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:07:08 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their
butts found Wor...@the.way.of.mario (The Mario Monks) mumbling:
> 98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap. Out
>of the 340+ games available, only 7 are worth buying:
>
>Resident Evil
>Vandal Hearts
>Super Puzzle Fighter 2
>Final Fantasy 7
>Tomb Raider
>Twisted Metal
>Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
>
> Most of you misguided 32bit Sony trolls are always complaining
>that the N64 only has a handful of games…it looks like the PSX has
>even less than that! At this rate the PSX only gets a good game every
>5 months! At least the N64 gets awesome software every month.
>Hopefully this little fact will help lead you out of 32bit hell into
>the garden of N64. May Mario bless you all!
>
> The Mario Monks
I can't wait to see the posts that result from this...god another long
drawn out flaming thread...
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Oliver Obagi
The Mario Monks (Wor...@the.way.of.mario) wrote:
> 98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap. Out
> of the 340+ games available, only 7 are worth buying:
> Resident Evil
> Vandal Hearts
> Super Puzzle Fighter 2
> Final Fantasy 7
> Tomb Raider
> Twisted Metal
> Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
> Most of you misguided 32bit Sony trolls are always complaining
> that the N64 only has a handful of games…it looks like the PSX has
> even less than that! At this rate the PSX only gets a good game every
> 5 months! At least the N64 gets awesome software every month.
> Hopefully this little fact will help lead you out of 32bit hell into
> the garden of N64. May Mario bless you all!
> The Mario Monks
>
You obviously LIVE in NINTENDO Land... Here on earth the
Playstion is kicking serous butt...
I could name you at least 100 more that are extremely good games...
you forgot Wild Arms, Die Hard, all those racing games, and The BEST
SPORTS GAMES EVER Seen... you obviously haven't played many Playstation
games or your just one of those "MY System Rules... everything else sucks"
person. The Playstation and the Saturn are considered ADULT systems, a
big reason The N64 is selling as well as it is, is because the KIDS are
attracted to the NINTENDO name and Parents don't know better...
Oliver
PS: Just admit it , the Playstation and Saturn are very good systems...
and the SALES prove that!
Darien Allen
After being abucted by aliens (which explains alot of things)
u5...@cc.keele.ac.uk (SR Dominguez) was told to say that:
>The Mario Monks (Wor...@the.way.of.mario) wrote:
>: 98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap. Out
>: of the 340+ games available, only 7 are worth buying:
>:
>: Resident Evil
>: Vandal Hearts
>: Super Puzzle Fighter 2
>: Final Fantasy 7
>: Tomb Raider
>: Twisted Metal
>: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
>
>This is very true, with a couple of exceptions. However, surely a library
>of 7 games is worth buying the console for?
>
I think the scariest thing about your post is that you actually
believe it.
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oob...@chat.carleton.ca (Oliver Obagi) wrote:
> You obviously LIVE in NINTENDO Land...Here on earth the
> Playstion is kicking serous butt...
I got two questions fer ya, Ollie Oggi. 1. Where's Nintendo Land? Sounds
delightful. I'd *love* to visit. 2. Are you certain PS [or, if you
prefer, "Playstion"] is kicking "thin and watery" butt?
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Your an idiot.
The Mario Monks wrote:
>
> 98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap. Out
> of the 340+ games available, only 7 are worth buying:
>
> Resident Evil
> Vandal Hearts
> Super Puzzle Fighter 2
> Final Fantasy 7
> Tomb Raider
> Twisted Metal
> Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
>
> Most of you misguided 32bit Sony trolls are always complaining
> that the N64 only has a handful of games…it looks like the PSX has
> even less than that! At this rate the PSX only gets a good game every
> 5 months! At least the N64 gets awesome software every month.
> Hopefully this little fact will help lead you out of 32bit hell into
> the garden of N64. May Mario bless you all!
>
> The Mario Monks
>
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Ok... Fine (I knew I shouldn't have put that bit about Nintendo
Land in)... Anyways... I admit that was stupid (actually what I'm posting
now is even more irrelevant) anyhow my yellow chair is good. ( I think the
marbles are affecting the problems in the phone... Sorry More irrelevant
stuff that's not even funny yet was put there fro humerous purposes, but
is probably not working.
Ollie Oggi
Darien Allen
After being abucted by aliens (which explains alot of things)
>MISHA try posting when your not high. How many people really bought N64
>for one game. I bought N64 because I like Nintendo games and they always
>make games I like. For all those people who said they sold their N64
>because there wasnt "any" games, you are stupid. I knew that there were
>games in development and that there will be more games. You people acted
>like those were the only games ever to be released or something. I'll be
>even more happy w/my N64 when I buy Banjo-Kazooie, F-Zero 64, Yoshi's
>Story, Earthbound 64, SMRPG 2, Conquers Quest, Donkey Kong Country 64,
>Diddy Kong Racing, (already have Goldeneye), Mario Paint 64, ect. The
>games everyone is complaining about are from Midway, but they have grips
>with the hardware now.
So you'll be happy with your N64 next year...when most of the games
you listed will be released....with a system you bought when?
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A.M. and Dawn Carson
Hidden on page 37 of file marked Top Secret, dated Tue, 26 Aug 1997
22:24:31 -0500, "Systems Boy Jr." <sbl...@flash.net> let this slip:
>>
>> I agree I've played the supposed "best games" on all of the systems and I
>> find the N64 to be the worst. PSX has great games all around: if like
>> sports pick up Madden 97/98, rpg's: Suikoden and/or Wild Arms,
>> puzzle:Super Puzzle Fighter 2, Action/Adventure: Tomb Raider, Fighting:
>> SFA, Tekken 1/2, and more, shooting: soon to be realesed Time Crisis.
>>
>> P.S. it's spelled Suikodon
Actually, Suikoden....
>
>I have no intention of getting in a flame war, but Goldeneye is
>something truly special. Don't be missing out on a really cool game in
>the name of something so frivolous as 'System Loyalty.'
Saw the commercial the other day. First thought? Hmm, another Doom
clone...
>
>The N64 hasn't lived up to everything everyone thought it might be, but
>when it counts, it delivers in spades.
I don't own an N64, I have both a Saturn and a PS [got the PS when I
heard that WD was ceasing Sega development], and am happy with both of
them. The games I have on the Saturn I really like [my two most
recent favorites are Die Hard Arcade and Pandemonium, allegedly
'better' on SS than PS], and I enjoy going to the local rental place
and actually being able to _find_ something to rent, thanks to Sony's
huge marketing budget. Granted, many of the games on PS are not very
good, or I didn't enjoy them much, but such is the case in
anything....I also don't like 95% of the stuff on the radio, and half
the books that come out every month are not worth my time, so why
should the gaming industry be any different? For every game I can't
stand [Jet Moto, for one], someone'll love it, and there'll be one
game I do like.
When I have played an N64 in the store, I have tried both Mario and
Starfox. My reaction for both was, 'Not impressed.' Sure, I'll admit
Mario is pretty, but the game did not seem 'leaps and bounds' above
most things on the PS or SS. Not to mention that I don't go for style
over substance. Twisted Metal 2, I think we can agree if you've
played it, isn't exceptionally pretty, smooth, or stylish. But to me,
it's fun as hell. That's what it comes down to, if the games are fun.
Many are on SS, they're just hard to find; many are on PS, and they're
reasonably cheaper too, and they are quite available to rent. Nothing
has been 'fun' enough on N64 for me to even consider buying it.
Plus, I go to the rental place, and behind the 5 racks on PS stuff,
and 3 of SS games, there are 2 of N64. But, look closer, they give a
_shelf_ to _each_ game, 10 copies of each game. How many US games are
actually out right now for N64? I'm actually asking.
And, yes, cost of the game is also prohibitive. I can handle paying
even up to 49.99 for a game [in reality, I have paid 20.00, 34.99, or
39.99 for all my new games so far], but yes, I do and would balk
greatly at shelling out 69.99 and 79.99 for N64 games, as they were
advertised in the little ElBo brochure I got yesterday.
>
>And remember, the best system is whatever one you are having fun with at
>the moment.
>
>Later,
>--
>Ben
>sbl...@flash.net
>http://www.flash.net/~sblaw1/smshome.html
Amen to that, that's what it comes down to. If you like it, go for
it.
Tony
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Mark David
dtca...@ix.netcom.com*REMOVETOEMAIL* (A.M. and Dawn Carson) wrote:
>I don't own an N64, I have both a Saturn and a PS [got the PS when I
>heard that WD was ceasing Sega development], and am happy with both of
>them.
Well, guess what? Capcom's Mr. Okamoto has jumped ship and joined
Flagship, and he will be making games for the N64 and the Saturn--but
NOT for the PS.
> Twisted Metal 2, I think we can agree if you've
>played it, isn't exceptionally pretty, smooth, or stylish.
You must cut the acid first; do not attempt to swallow the whole sheet
because the result will be opinions like the above.
Exqueeze me, but Twisted Metal (and it's plastic sequel, Twisted Metal
2) is horridly low-res, pixilated, broken and suffers from sever
shimmer. The control is garbage.
> Nothing
>has been 'fun' enough on N64 for me to even consider buying it.
You've played Mario 64 which is widely considered by the press to be
the best game ever and you played SF64, which sold over 2 million
copies. Okay, so you didn't find them fun for whatever reason. Have
you played Turok? Blast Corps? ISS64? Goldeneye? Tetrisphere? Mario
Karts 64? Wave Race 64? Pilot Wings 64?
>And, yes, cost of the game is also prohibitive.
You rent. Why would you buy games--especially since $10-$20 is too
much for you?
Gary Bradley
Mark David wrote:
>
> dtca...@ix.netcom.com*REMOVETOEMAIL* (A.M. and Dawn Carson) wrote:
>
> >I don't own an N64, I have both a Saturn and a PS [got the PS when I
> >heard that WD was ceasing Sega development], and am happy with both of
> >them.
>
> Well, guess what? Capcom's Mr. Okamoto has jumped ship and joined
> Flagship, and he will be making games for the N64 and the Saturn--but
> NOT for the PS.
>
So????
> > Twisted Metal 2, I think we can agree if you've
> >played it, isn't exceptionally pretty, smooth, or stylish.
>
> You must cut the acid first; do not attempt to swallow the whole sheet
> because the result will be opinions like the above.
>
> Exqueeze me, but Twisted Metal (and it's plastic sequel, Twisted Metal
> 2) is horridly low-res, pixilated, broken and suffers from sever
> shimmer. The control is garbage.
>
I agree with all of the above, but know what? The game is bloody
marvellous! Fun fun fun. You get used to the control quickly too.
> > Nothing
> >has been 'fun' enough on N64 for me to even consider buying it.
>
> You've played Mario 64 which is widely considered by the press to be
> the best game ever
The (video game) press are notoriously ill-informed in such matters. I
also found Mario 64 nothing special.
> and you played SF64, which sold over 2 million
> copies. Okay, so you didn't find them fun for whatever reason. Have
> you played Turok? Blast Corps? ISS64? Goldeneye? Tetrisphere? Mario
> Karts 64? Wave Race 64? Pilot Wings 64?
>
I have (well most of them). Nothing special.
Sorry. I saw a bandwagon and...
Darien Allen
After being abucted by aliens (which explains alot of things)
>dtca...@ix.netcom.com*REMOVETOEMAIL* (A.M. and Dawn Carson) wrote:
>
>>I don't own an N64, I have both a Saturn and a PS [got the PS when I
>>heard that WD was ceasing Sega development], and am happy with both of
>>them.
>
>Well, guess what? Capcom's Mr. Okamoto has jumped ship and joined
>Flagship, and he will be making games for the N64 and the Saturn--but
>NOT for the PS.
>
Mark, being the be-all know-all person that you are....can you tell me
what job functions a Executive Director of Development involves?
busta
Mark David wrote:
>
> Gary Bradley <"Gary Bradley"> wrote:
>
> >So????
>
> So this man was responsible for Resident Evil. And oh, did I mention
> he was developing a 'Resident Evil like game' for the N64?
Oh, great!!!
I want a flawed two level $70 version of an overrated game!!!
Where do I sign up????
>
> >I have (well most of them). Nothing special.
>
> Okay, thanks for clearing that up; I now know that I am speaking to
> just another biased PS loser, so allow me to respond in kind: Tekken
> 2, Soul Edge, Wipeout, Jet Moto, Resident Evil, FF7, Suikoden, Wild
> Arms, yeah, they're were all nothing special. Booooooring.
If you really think that all those games are boring, you are even dumber
than we all thought...
I am pretty sure that was a joke, so I will point this out:
Take away all those games you mentioned, and the PSX is still head and
shoulders above the N64 in fun factor, as well as best system overall.
Look at this:
1. Tekken 1 blows away any Fighting game out for N64.
2. Rage Racer, and even Ridge Racer are better than Crusin' in
graphics, playablity, and depth.
3. Formula One is a better racer than anything on the N64.
4. Tomb Raider has more depth and fun than Mario64 BY FAR!!!
5. Ace Combat 2 RIPS Pilotwings in EVERY category!!!
6. Gameday and Madden both beat...uhhh...well, sorry you dont have
football
7. Or Basketball (unless you count Hangtime which was more playable
on PSX)
8. Or Hockey (Unless you count Gretzky AKA Open Ice)
9. Or Baseball
10. ISS Pro is Goal Storm 97 with improved graphics.
11. FIFA 64 is FIFA 97 with a bunch of teams, features, and
playablity taken out
and most importantly
12. NONE of these games were on your list!!!!
-Busta
busta
Fires long since burned out Nothing left but ash wrote:
>
> Mark David (mad...@achilles.net) wrote:
> : Gary Bradley <"Gary Bradley"> wrote:
>
> : >So????
>
> : So this man was responsible for Resident Evil. And oh, did I mention
> : he was developing a 'Resident Evil like game' for the N64?
>
>
> : Okay, thanks for clearing that up; I now know that I am speaking to
> : just another biased PS loser, so allow me to respond in kind: Tekken
> : 2, Soul Edge, Wipeout, Jet Moto, Resident Evil, FF7, Suikoden, Wild
> : Arms, yeah, they're were all nothing special. Booooooring.
>
> a lot, and Resident Evil was (and is) one of the most challenging
> games I have ever played. Why did you find them boring? What is
> your criteria for deciding whether a game is good or not?
His criteria consists of one factor:
Is it out for N64?
If it isnt, it is crap.
And he is a moron.
>
> Being able to state an opinion is a good thing. Being able to
> question that opinion is a great thing.
>
> Harley
David A. Thomas
Oliver Obagi <oob...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in article
<5tth77$a...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>...
> The Mario Monks (Wor...@the.way.of.mario) wrote:
> > 98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap. Out
> > of the 340+ games available, only 7 are worth buying:
>
> > Resident Evil
> > Vandal Hearts
> > Super Puzzle Fighter 2
> > Final Fantasy 7
> > Tomb Raider
> > Twisted Metal
> > Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
>
> > Most of you misguided 32bit Sony trolls are always complaining
> > that the N64 only has a handful of games…it looks like the PSX
has
> > even less than that! At this rate the PSX only gets a good game
every
> > 5 months! At least the N64 gets awesome software every month.
> > Hopefully this little fact will help lead you out of 32bit hell
into
> > the garden of N64. May Mario bless you all!
>
> > The Mario Monks
>
> Playstion is kicking serous butt...
Wow, Sony and Nintendo have more of a covert marketing force than I
would ever have imagined.
I don't know about the Playstation games you mention, but I'm having
serious fun with Wipeout XL and Nanotek Warrior, which are high
quality games, in my opinion.
As for the N64, I think Doom 64, Blast Corps, Wave Race and Super
Mario 64 are all superlative games.
Could it be that neither system sucks and that they each have their
particular strengths and weaknesses? Maybe my ego isn't as closely
tied to my games as it should be...
--David
Darien Allen
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:22:10 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their
butts found mad...@achilles.net (Mark David) mumbling:
>Gary Bradley <"Gary Bradley"> wrote:
>
>>So????
>
>So this man was responsible for Resident Evil. And oh, did I mention
>he was developing a 'Resident Evil like game' for the N64?
>
>>I have (well most of them). Nothing special.
>
>Okay, thanks for clearing that up; I now know that I am speaking to
>just another biased PS loser, so allow me to respond in kind: Tekken
>2, Soul Edge, Wipeout, Jet Moto, Resident Evil, FF7, Suikoden, Wild
>Arms, yeah, they're were all nothing special. Booooooring.
>
So when are you going to get around to answering the question from my
previous post huh?
Oliver Obagi
me.net>
Distribution: Peter Butler (but...@home.net)
As much as I love Sony games.. I did find the TWISTED series a little
over-rated... I think the idea is great but I did expect better control...
(ALthough this is my opinion... Many MAny gamers adore this game>..) I
prefer Return Fire for two-player Mayhem!
Peter Butler (but...@home.net) wrote:
> Mark David wrote:
> > You must cut the acid first; do not attempt to swallow the whole sheet
> > because the result will be opinions like the above.
> >
> > Exqueeze me, but Twisted Metal (and it's plastic sequel, Twisted Metal
> > 2) is horridly low-res, pixilated, broken and suffers from sever
> > shimmer. The control is garbage.
> >
> Remember that many people, myself included, consider TM2 to be the best
> two-player game ever made for the Playstation. For sheer fun, skill and
> competition, it can't be beat. I've actually played a best out of
> 199-game series. (Twister and Outlaw on the roofs of TM1) It may not
> look great or have the best sound, but it was a significant improvement
> from the prequel. How many games can say that. Tosh? Far from it.
> Tekken? Not really. Tomb Raider 2 looks like a rehash. All the sports
> sequels, save for MLB 98, have been laughable. SingleTrac did a great
> job with TM2. I'm hoping for TM3 to be the best Playstation game of all
> time. I'm just hoping that they're actually working on it.
> Has anyone heard any news, rumors, gossip about the possibility of a
> Twisted Metal 3? I know that Activision is making an I76 conversion for
> the Playstation, but I have feeling that it will be pure shite.
SR Dominguez
Oliver Obagi (oob...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:
: Ok... Fine (I knew I shouldn't have put that bit about Nintendo
: Land in)... Anyways... I admit that was stupid (actually what I'm posting
: now is even more irrelevant) anyhow my yellow chair is good. ( I think the
: marbles are affecting the problems in the phone... Sorry More irrelevant
: stuff that's not even funny yet was put there fro humerous purposes, but
: is probably not working.
Actually, it wasn't stupid. It was midly amusing. BTW, wasn't Nintendo
Land where Captain N got sucked through his NES on that awful show? Now
THAT was stupid...
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Castellan
jessed...@hotmail.com (Jesse Dorland) writes:
>That is really dumb logic.
>Right or wrong: You are happy with the Playstation.
>Right or wrong: You will be even more happy when Final Fantasy 7, Resident
>Evil 2, and Tekken 3 arrive.
No, he will be "happIER," troll. Geez. Does everyone skip English
101 these days?
Damn kids.
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Darien Allen (darie...@nospamworldnet.att.net) wrote:
: >This is very true, with a couple of exceptions. However, surely a library
: >of 7 games is worth buying the console for?
: >
:
: I think the scariest thing about your post is that you actually
: believe it.
Yes, I do believe it. I don't like most of the games on the Playstation.
But the ones I do like are worth having the machine for. Oh, and I don't
like most of the games on the Saturn. And I only like ONE game on the N64.
But the machines are still worth having. What is your problem? The fact
that you are so anti-anybody-who-prefers-Saturn-to-Playstation scares me,
frankly.
The point I was trying to make, is that these Mario Monks tell people that a
console is crap, and then go on to list 7 games worth having for it. 7
games? Most people only ever buy 5, at most.
SR Dominguez
Ken Small (k...@trdlnk.com) wrote:
: This is silly. It's not like everyone has the same tastes, so that you
: can call games outright "good" or "bad." The Playstation, with
: currently less than 300 games has more that I like than the NES or
: SNES or Genesis did in their heyday with twice as many to choose from.
: Note that I do not have a particular bias toward or against Japanese
: games or PC ports. I judge games on genre and quality, not country of
: origin or development history (although they obviously have an
: affect).
I'm not saying that I don't think other people's opinions matter. Maybe I
worded it wrong, I should've just said 'I agree', in that the Mario Monks
listed the BEST games on the system that I (actually most people) like.
However, if you speak to anybody, you'll find that most people can't list
more than 20 games that they honestly think are worth buying for any
machine. I can't. Not at 40 quid apiece, maybe less, ie I'd probably listed
around 100 games worth buying for 15 quid.
: Also, regarding a couple of other posts in this thread-- who mentioned
: the Saturn? Is the default assumption that if a game is out for more
: than one platform it suddenly isn't a good game? I thought the
: question was strictly whether or not the PSX had good games, which by
: my reckonning, it has plenty-- and which does include some available
: also on the Saturn.
It IS the default assumption that if a game is out for more than one
console, it no longer makes that system worth buying over another.
Especially if the game in question is better on the system you already have.
I wouldn't count games like Tomb Raider which ARE better on the Playstation,
but 2D fighters are generally the Saturn's forte.
: For the record, I only think 3 of the above are worth it for me
: personally, and they're probably the lest popular on that list. (I am
: far more interested in Raystorm than FF7, for instance.)
Exactly.
Darien Allen
After being abucted by aliens (which explains alot of things)
>In a secluded warehouse,
> on a pier somewhere in Maine,
> gagged and at gunpoint,
> dariennos...@nospamworldnet.att.net (Darien Allen) frantically
>made this plea for help:
>
>>On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:18:14 -0400, a pack of monkeys scratchin their
>>butts found ExtraTer...@webtv.net (Troy Davis) mumbling:
>>
>>>Darien allen said:
>>>>so you'll be happy with your N64 next year when most of the games you
>>>listed will be released, and you bought your system when?
>>>
>>>How about taking a Reading Comprehension class!! I said "I'll be *even
>>>more* happy when those games came out.
>>
>>Which still means that you be more happy, so right now you're only
>>kinda happy, with a your system that you bought when?
>
>That is really dumb logic.
>
>Right or wrong: You are happy with the Playstation.
>
>Right or wrong: You will be even more happy when Final Fantasy 7, Resident
>Evil 2, and Tekken 3 arrive.
>
>Does that mean that you're only moderately happy with the system right now?
>And you bought it *when*?
Jesse reread my post...reread yours...the logic is there, you seem to
have missed it.
As for Tekken 3, have I been saying I was looking forward to it's
release? I'm moving away from fighting games, so I don't think so.
While I think those 3 titles will be good for the system, I haven't
been trumpeting their release.
-----
Rza
Anbd here are some more worth owning-
Wipe Out XL
NFL GameDay 97 & 98
NCAA Football 98
NBA Live 97
Triple Play 98
Rage Racer
Tekken 2
Tobal 2
Time Crisis
Steet Fighter EX Plus
V-Rally
Porsche Challenge
Twisted Metal 2
NBA Shoot Out 97
FF Tacists
Saga Frontier
Warhawk
Jet Moto
Rally Cross
Mario Monks, Mario stinks! And he STINKS badly.
Rza
Greg Sewart
Rza wrote:
> Rage Racer
> Porsche Challenge
Herein lies the problem with these stupid pissing contests. Out of all
the 'worth owning' titles you listed, I would only ever consider two,
Rage Racer and Porsche Challenge, and I don't own either:)
> >Vandal Hearts
> >Final Fantasy 7
> >Tomb Raider
> >Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
And I'd only consider four out of this list. However, I think both of
you have missed a few. See, it's all a matter of taste. The sooner
people learn that, the sooner stuff like this stops cluttering up these
newsgroups.
By the way, I think it's hilarious for the Mario Monks to be saying that
there's only seven games worth owning on the Playstation. Seven is
almost fifty percent of the entire N64 library, isn't it?:)
--
Greg Sewart
Editor in Chief
Gaming Age
http://www.ga.simplenet.com/
"Over-specialize and you breed in weakness."
-Ghost in the Shell
Michael R. Baraniecki
: > 2) is horridly low-res, pixilated, broken and suffers from sever
: > shimmer. The control is garbage.
: >
: Remember that many people, myself included, consider TM2 to be the best
: two-player game ever made for the Playstation. For sheer fun, skill and
: competition, it can't be beat. I've actually played a best out of
: 199-game series. (Twister and Outlaw on the roofs of TM1) It may not
: look great or have the best sound, but it was a significant improvement
: from the prequel. How many games can say that. Tosh? Far from it.
: Tekken? Not really. Tomb Raider 2 looks like a rehash. All the sports
: sequels, save for MLB 98, have been laughable. SingleTrac did a great
: job with TM2. I'm hoping for TM3 to be the best Playstation game of all
: time. I'm just hoping that they're actually working on it.
Well... not too sure about Tekken 2 not being a significant improvement
over TK1, but TM2's control is far from garbage. (as the previous poster
stated). It does have not so great graphics, but if you take into account
the complexity of the levels, it is a bit forgivable. They could be much
better, though. What I want most out of TM3 is... of course, a link
option. This was SORELY missing from the first two. I love the game...
but I would love it so much more if it were just linkable. It would be
even cooler if it were linkable *and* split screen, for four players, a
la Andretti Racing.
Better graphics (ie, different engine this time, not like TM2), good
level design and new cars + returning favorites, and a link option would
be all I would want from TM3. The gameplay, as far as I'm concerned,
couldn't be much better. (AI could be a little less cheap sometimes, though)
--
-Mike
Michael R. Baraniecki
uni...@netcom.com
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6470
Saturn Reviews and Videogame MIDIs
Charles Doane
Darien Allen wrote:
>
> On 28 Aug 1997 12:49:18 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their butts
> found u5...@cc.keele.ac.uk (SR Dominguez) mumbling:
>
> >Darien Allen (darie...@nospamworldnet.att.net) wrote:
> >: >This is very true, with a couple of exceptions. However, surely a library
> >: >of 7 games is worth buying the console for?
> >: >
> >:
> >: I think the scariest thing about your post is that you actually
> >: believe it.
> >
> >Yes, I do believe it. I don't like most of the games on the Playstation.
> >But the ones I do like are worth having the machine for. Oh, and I don't
> >like most of the games on the Saturn. And I only like ONE game on the N64.
> >But the machines are still worth having. What is your problem? The fact
> >that you are so anti-anybody-who-prefers-Saturn-to-Playstation scares me,
> >frankly.
> >
> >The point I was trying to make, is that these Mario Monks tell people that a
> >console is crap, and then go on to list 7 games worth having for it. 7
> >games? Most people only ever buy 5, at most.
>
> a system for only 5 titles. I can't even think of anyone I know who
> has any next gen or 16 bit system for that matter and only owned 5
> titles.
>
> ----
> The above post was created by ME.
> It contains facts and opinions as interpreted, again by,
> yup ME. Don't like it, disagree with it?
> Hey' that's not my problem!
>
> Darien Allen - Remove NOSPAM to Reply
I don't believe that the '5 title' thing is true either, I'd need a source. Really,
just look through the 'for sale' ads in the paper, or
hang around a used videogame store and watch people turning in their
systems with the games. It's more than 5!
--
eppur si muove... 'and yet it does move'... Galileo,
after recanting his assertion of the Earth's motion.
Brady Prigge
The Mario Monks wrote:
> Most of you misguided 32bit Sony trolls are always complaining
> that the N64 only has a handful of games…it looks like the PSX has
> even less than that!
I agree on both sides; N64 and PSX have very few high quality games,
which is why I bought a Saturn.
--
_______
Darien Allen
SR Dominguez
Darien Allen (dariennos...@nospamworldnet.att.net) wrote:
: >The point I was trying to make, is that these Mario Monks tell people that a
: >console is crap, and then go on to list 7 games worth having for it. 7
: >games? Most people only ever buy 5, at most.
:
: 5 titles your kidding right? I'm not sure if it would be worth owning
: a system for only 5 titles. I can't even think of anyone I know who
: has any next gen or 16 bit system for that matter and only owned 5
: titles.
I can. Plenty. In fact, my sister only ever owned THREE games for the
Megadrive. The fact was, she played Sonic all the time, over and over
again, and got her money's worth. And I could come up with a few people who
have just five games for the PSX. Saturn owners have more, but only because
you have to be obsessive to buy a Saturn in the first place.
Um, I have just two games for my Master System. Phantasy Star, and Alex
Kidd (included on the board). And just ONE for the N64, largely because I
bought it for Mario and have preferred Saturn games to the N64 games
released since.
Actually, I got my figures from a poll a while back in a magazine. The
average number of games owned by people at the time was 5. You have to
account for all the kids whose parents bought them a console and then they
got bored with it. Mind, what would they have been doing answering polls in
a magazine?
Greg Sewart
busta wrote:
Why would it be a joke? I sort of agree with him. While I own all
three systems, my game count is 2 for N64, 3 for PlayStation, and about
15 for Saturn.
The Blue Thunder
> You have to be obsessive to buy a Saturn?
You people buy into the hype so much it sickens me. Just
because someone says the Saturn 'sucks' doens't mean it
really sucks. By god, have you ever played the games on
the Saturn?? I own a N64, PS, and a Saturn because I *like*
playing games. After years of play, I have owned and
sold a lot of games; here's what I currently own:
N64:
StarFox (hell, it's new)
Waverace (I like the water physics and effects)
PS:
Bushido Blade (different and refreshing, sequel??)
Dracula X (this is Konami we're talking about)
FFVII (plan to buy FFVII because I *like* FF series)
Raystorm (don't know why I still have this)
Sengoku Musou (KOEI, man, KOEI)
Time Crisis (I like the ducking ability)
Tobol 2 (suckered again by graphics, impressive for PS)
Wipeout XL (suckered by the graphics, but still plays well)
* side note:
* Where would Sony be without Square and Namco?? *
* What if they didn't throw money at developers to
prevent them from releasing games on Saturn? *
Saturn:
Daytona USA (playability, man, playability)
FIGHTERS MEGAMiX (probably will sell this, VF2 is better)
Game Paradise (if you don't know, don't bother)
King of Fighters 96 (probably will sell this when 97 is out)
Last Bronx (this is the reason I don't have Soul Blade anymore)
Sakura Taisen (speaks for itself)
Samurai Spirits III (much better than PS version)
Sega Rally (playablility, man, playability)
Sengoku Blade (fan service)
Sokyougurentai (still haven't finished this yet)
Street Fighter Zero II (this is Capcom we're talking about)
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo (ditto)
ThunderForce 5 (still haven't finished this yet)
Vampire Hunter (this is Capcom)
Virtua Cop (classic, don't know if I'll part with this)
Virtua Cop II (ditto)
Virtua Fighter II (still the most playable and deepest 3D fighter)
Virtua On (I like playing this over Netlink)
After all is said and done, Saturn still holds my attention
the longest. Those of you who are unaware of Saturn should
really try out some of its better games. The playability,
handling (better control pad), and sheer fun I get out of
Saturn heavily outweighs my playtime on N64 or PS. But,
N64 and PS are okay if you're a casual gamer looking
for short-term, instant gratification. Spoon fed masses
and cows being led to the slaughter and all that. The sheer
volume of crap on PS is staggering. The N64 at least has
a smaller ratio of crap by default. Occasionally, there
is a decent game like Wipeout XL or Waverace, but few and
far between, my friend, few and -far- between. That's why
I will be stupid enough to back Sega when their new system
comes out. SOJ has a proven pedigree of playability and that's
what a gamer judges games by.
The Blue Thunder
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SR Dominguez wrote:
>
> Darien Allen (darie...@nospamworldnet.att.net) wrote:
> : You have to be obsessive to buy a Saturn?
>
> Of course. It's an unpopular console. So you have to be obsessive about
> gaming to get one, even while everybody else is telling you that it's crap.
>
Either that or you actually have your own opinion rather than listening
to what everyone else says. Only a follower buys what everyone else
buys because they don't want to be left out. Case in point: An unnamed
friend of mine was sitting in the college library waiting along with me
and some other friends talking about games. This unnamed friend which
from here on out we will call Bob was talking about upcoming games that
we were thinking about buying. Me and the other three people sitting at
the table unanimously noted that Final Fantasy VII will be a definite
buy on our lists. After mentioning this game, Bob asked us what kind of
game FFVII was and we replied it was an RPG. After he heard that he
didn't sound to enthused about it and was pretty sure he wouldn't buy it
for the fact that all of the RPGs he played in the past were terrible.
Of course though, me and the other guys who played the FFVII demo that
came with Tobal No. 1 were totally blown away by the game, but when we
asked Bob if he played the FFVII demo he replied he hadn't and didn't
plan on playing it. To make a long story short, months passed until the
release date of FFVII drew closer and people at the college who owned a
PSX were talking about the upcoming release of FFVII. In one instance
Bob was present at the time when me and 2 other guys who already
reserved our copy of the FFVII game were talking about how cool Final
Fantasy was going to be and how we couldn't wait to play it when it's
released. At this time when we asked Bob if he reserved a copy he
replied no he hadn't yet done so. Then of course the next day while I
went out with another friend, Bob paged me and my friend wanting us to
reserve him a copy of FFVII. I had known to this point that Bob never
played the FFVII demo because whenever we spoke of it he had no input
whatsoever about the demo and he still didn't seem excited about the
game. The point of this story however is that, Bob isn't buying FFVII
because he actually played the demo and thought FFVII was an AWESOME,
MUST HAVE game like me and several other people did. Instead he is
buying the game because others are buying it and figures it must be
good, not because he actually believes the game is that good and wants
to buy a copy to own for himself. And to summarize, not all Saturn
owners bought one because they feel they have to have that system in
their collection or are obsessed about gaming. Some people bought one
because they really liked the games that were made on the system and
found it worth the money it cost to own the system. Fact of the matter
is that I know more people who bought the Playstation out of obsession,
or because they had to have what everyone else had. Few PSX owners I
know bought one because they actually liked a specific game.(Although I
bought the PSX specifically for certain RPGs, FFVII, and Resident Evil).
Oh, and the other point of the story is don't make assumptions about
other people's buying habits. Like was said in the movie Under Seige 2:
Dark Territory, one of the terrorist leaders asks his henchman 'Is
Ryback taken care of?' and the henchman replies 'Yes, I didn't see a
body anywhere I looked so I assumed he was dead.' Then the terroris
leader replies back 'You didn't see a body? You don't know for sure if
he's dead then, now do you? Next time you don't see his body, keep
looking. Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups!' which in the end
proved to be right on the money because Ryback ended up wrecking their
plans and saved the day. So don't jump to conclusions!!
-Brian
--
"Villains I say to you now, knock off all that evil!"
-The Tick
"Censors tend to do what only psychotics do...they confuse reality with
illusion."
-David Cronenberg
"What, me worry?"
-Alfred E. Neuman
JosKaufman
>
>Darien Allen wrote:
>>
>> On 28 Aug 1997 12:49:18 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their butts
>> found u5...@cc.keele.ac.uk (SR Dominguez) mumbling:
>>
>> >Darien Allen (darie...@nospamworldnet.att.net) wrote:
>> >: >This is very true, with a couple of exceptions. However, surely a
>library
>> >: >of 7 games is worth buying the console for?
>> >: >
>> >:
>> >: I think the scariest thing about your post is that you actually
>> >: believe it.
>> >
>> >Yes, I do believe it. I don't like most of the games on the Playstation.
>> >But the ones I do like are worth having the machine for. Oh, and I don't
>> >like most of the games on the Saturn. And I only like ONE game on the
>N64.
>> >But the machines are still worth having. What is your problem? The fact
>> >that you are so anti-anybody-who-prefers-Saturn-to-Playstation scares me,
>> >frankly.
>> >
>a
>> >console is crap, and then go on to list 7 games worth having for it. 7
>> >games? Most people only ever buy 5, at most.
>>
>> 5 titles your kidding right? I'm not sure if it would be worth owning
>> a system for only 5 titles. I can't even think of anyone I know who
>> has any next gen or 16 bit system for that matter and only owned 5
>> titles.
>>
>
>There is only one other game I would consider owning, and that is ISS
>Pro. (and QBC98 when it has been reviewed)
>
>-Busta
>
Yeah, I don't see how most people could live with only 5, but if you
think about it, most people only get one or two when they first buy a
consol, and then gradually get more. BTW, I have a friend who has a PSX
with only 1 game.
-Joshua
Greg Sewart
Darien Allen wrote:
>
> After being abucted by aliens (which explains alot of things) Greg
> Sewart <gse...@netcom.ca> was told to say that:
> >
> >Why would it be a joke? I sort of agree with him. While I own all
> >three systems, my game count is 2 for N64, 3 for PlayStation, and about
> >15 for Saturn.
>
> Editor or not, this still HAS to be a joke.
Sorry to say, it's not.
Regardless of what genre
> you are interested in you mean that only 2 games for the N64 have held
> your interest and 3 for the Playstation?
Perhaps I should have been more clear, I said that those numbers are
simply what I own, whereas they aren't the amount of games that I
consider to be high quality titles for each system.
Also, they're rough numbers, and I just went through a big period of
selling quite a few games.
What are the titles if you
> don't mind my asking?
No problem. For the N64, I own only WaveRace 64 and Tetrisphere, I used
to own Mario 64, and, if I had any money right now, I would own a copy
of Mario Kart 64 in a second. As for other N64 games, let me think, I'm
not really a soccer fan, so FIFA and ISS really don't interest me, and,
upon further thought, Hexen and Doom are about the only other two N64
games I truly enjoyed.
On PlayStation, I have Dracula X (which I consider to be the absolute
best game available on any system right now), Wing Commander 4, Grand
Slam Baseball and Dynasty Warriors, however, the last three were sent to
me for review purposes. They are good games, though. Again, this isn't
a measure of the amount of quality games on the system, as many titles
warrant purchase, imo, including Porsche Challenge, Hercules, F1, Rage
Racer, and many others. I'm also looking forward to FF7 and Abe's
Oddysee in a big way.
On Saturn, hmmm...
1. Blue Seed
2. Christmas Nights
3. Fighters Megamix
4. King of Fighters '96
5: Lunar SSS
6: Nights
7: Night Warriors
8: Road Blaster (Don't laugh:)
9: Sega Rally
10: Shanghai: Triple Threat
11: Street Fighter Zero 2
12: Three Dirty Dwarves
13: Thunder Storm
14: Virtua Cop
15: Virtua Fighter
16: Virtua Fighter Remix
17: Virtua Fighter 2.
Admittedly, there are many more titles I'd like to own, and many titles
I've sold, including most RPG's for the system.
How often do you buy games?
I used to a lot, but recently, I sort of came to the realization that it
was kind of useless to buy a game if I would sell it within a month, so
now I try to spend my money only on titles I believe I'll play over
again.
When you go are
> you predisposted towards looking for Saturn games first, then N64, or
> any particular order?
Not particularly, no.
Do you rent alot?
Considering I work in a rental store, I'd say that's a safe assumption:)
Seriously, The PS and Saturn are very close in quality, imo, but the
N64, while haveing some obvious high quality titles, has still failed to
really strike me as a must have machine.
So, what do I say when a customer asks me what system I prefer?
"Saturn, but the PlayStation is really great, too."
What do I say when a customer asks me what system they should buy?
"PlayStation, and maybe a Saturn as a second system."
Either way, I hope that explains my position a little better, what I'm
basically trying to say is, I already feel I got my money's worth for
both the Saturn and the PlayStation, no matter what anyone else says,
and I also feel the N64 is capable of great things, it just hasn't done
that on a regular basis, yet.
Troy Davis
*LOL* you can try all you want, but you arent stopping anyone from
buying a N64 or a N64 game. Your PSX babble is so monotonus that its not
even funny. So what there are hundreds of PSX games. The N64 gets the
most use in my house, While the PSX collects dust. I even have more
games for my N64 than PSX, and so do many other people. There are 500
games for snes, but Ive only played about 115 of them and own about 20.
Before long I'll own 20 N64 games too, drowning the market is
unnecessary.
You people think the whole video game market revolves around you when
thats not even the case. You see, the people in this newsgroup are the
minority of the video game consumers. Just because you hate a game
doesnt mean everyone else does too. Just because you like PSX more or
Hate N64 doesnt mean eveyonelse does either. Just because your N64
collects dust doesnt mean the other 3 million N64's do. So just shut up.
BTW if you see a cross posted thread about something that doesnt belong
in your group then erase it, dont reply or whatever. By you replying,
you then are crossposting, causing another unnecessary system war. Dont
provoke crosposting, flame war starting, system war beginning, bait
planting, idiots. :-)
SR Dominguez
Of course. It's an unpopular console. So you have to be obsessive about
gaming to get one, even while everybody else is telling you that it's crap.
________________________________
SR Dominguez
Darien Allen (darie...@nospamworldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Editor or not, this still HAS to be a joke. Regardless of what genre
: you are interested in you mean that only 2 games for the N64 have held
: don't mind my asking? How often do you buy games? When you go are
: you predisposted towards looking for Saturn games first, then N64, or
Do YOU have a Saturn?
Currently, my game list stands at-
Nights, Albert Odyssey, Dragon Force, Shining the Holy Ark, Lunar Silver
Star Story, Fighter's Megamix, Virtua Cop, Virtua Cop 2, Last Gladiators
pinball, Theme Park, Pandemonium, Sonic Jam, Sega Rally, Daytona USA and a
lot more besides. About 22 games, all in all. And I've owned around 35
Saturn games - I sold the rest.
Greg Sewart
Darien Allen wrote:
>
> On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 01:46:19 -0300, a pack of monkeys scratchin their
> butts found Greg Sewart <gse...@netcom.ca> mumbling:
>
>
> >On PlayStation, I have Dracula X (which I consider to be the absolute
> >best game available on any system right now), Wing Commander 4, Grand
>
> Tell me about Dracula X.
Basically, it's got some of the most beautiful 2D graphics you've ever
seen, with a good challenge and unsurpassed animation. Many of the
bosses span multiple screens, and the actual castle (both of them:), are
bigger than you could imagine.
Play Super Metroid, then take that basic premise, and put it in a
Castlevania universe.
Darien Allen
On 30 Aug 1997 14:01:46 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their butts
found u5...@cc.keele.ac.uk (SR Dominguez) mumbling:
>Darien Allen (darie...@nospamworldnet.att.net) wrote:
>: You have to be obsessive to buy a Saturn?
>
>Of course. It's an unpopular console. So you have to be obsessive about
>gaming to get one, even while everybody else is telling you that it's crap.
I don't think that's the case at all. It was unpopular before RPGs
started flowing to the PS, which is a reason I would own one. That
and the nature of Capcom ports to the system are 2 good reasons to own
one and have nothing to do with being obsessive. Well that and the
KOF series.
Darien Allen
On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 04:51:25 -0400, a pack of monkeys scratchin their
butts found ExtraTer...@webtv.net (Troy Davis) mumbling:
>provoke crosposting, flame war starting, system war beginning, bait
>planting, idiots. :-)
The king idiot returns!
Darien Allen
On 30 Aug 1997 14:07:07 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their butts
found u5...@cc.keele.ac.uk (SR Dominguez) mumbling:
>Darien Allen (darie...@nospamworldnet.att.net) wrote:
>: Editor or not, this still HAS to be a joke. Regardless of what genre
>: you are interested in you mean that only 2 games for the N64 have held
>: your interest and 3 for the Playstation? What are the titles if you
>: don't mind my asking? How often do you buy games? When you go are
>: you predisposted towards looking for Saturn games first, then N64, or
>: any particular order? Do you rent alot?
>
>Do YOU have a Saturn?
What does that have to do with what I asked him? Anyway no, I have a
that comes up usually each weekend and brings his, so that I can play
KOF, RB Fatal Fury, and Team Mode of Alpha! ;)
Troy Davis
Yeah, whatever darian. We all know your the idiot.
Darien Allen
On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:35:54 -0400, a pack of monkeys scratchin their
butts found ExtraTer...@webtv.net (Troy Davis) mumbling:
>Yeah, whatever darian. We all know your the idiot.
So you're a multiple personality now?
KJR
Greg Sewart wrote:
>
> busta wrote:
> >
> > Brady Prigge wrote:
> > >
> > > The Mario Monks wrote:
> > >
> > > > Most of you misguided 32bit Sony trolls are always complaining
> > > > that the N64 only has a handful of games…it looks like the PSX has
> > > > even less than that!
> > >
> > > I agree on both sides; N64 and PSX have very few high quality games,
> > > which is why I bought a Saturn.
> > >
> >
> > I assume thats a joke.
>
> three systems, my game count is 2 for N64, 3 for PlayStation, and about
> 15 for Saturn.
> Greg Sewart
> Editor in Chief
> Gaming Age
> http://www.ga.simplenet.com/
>
> "Over-specialize and you breed in weakness."
> -Ghost in the Shell
Yea that is strange I own a PSX and a Saturn and have more games for my
SAturn too, although I think it may change with more RPGs comming to the
PSX.
KJR
Teo Wee Hong
KJR wrote:
> Yea that is strange I own a PSX and a Saturn and have more games for
> my
> SAturn too, although I think it may change with more RPGs comming to
> the
> PSX.
>
> KJR
Actually Saturn has more and will have more RPGs than PSX but just
that most is japanese, i play japanese games, great games. Japanese
design the best RPGs....
So Saturn is the best system for me....
N64 is very popular in the US but not in the eastern countries, they dun
sell good here...
Well in Singapore, Saturn and PSX dominates the whole country. I
personally feels that RPG is for Saturn, action for PSX.....
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Nappa
RPG is for Saturn in Japan, but here in the U.S. we don't get all of
the great RPGs that the Saturn has. Dammit, why can't they just
release a game everywhere. I want DBZ Legends without getting my PSX
modded or doing the swap trick and screwing my PSX up. But anyhow. Not
that many Saturn RPGs are making it here, and quite a few RPGs are
making for PSX, including the king of all RPGs.
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Devilot
Ricardo Riveros wrote:
>
> Brady Prigge <prig...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote in article
> <340666...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>...
> > The Mario Monks wrote:
> >
> > > Most of you misguided 32bit Sony trolls are always complaining
> > > that the N64 only has a handful of games…it looks like the PSX has
> > > even less than that!
> >
> > I agree on both sides; N64 and PSX have very few high quality games,
> > which is why I bought a Saturn.
> >
> > _______
> >
>
> You are wrong bastard, 99.99% of the playstation games suck.
> the N64 will rule forever (that is until the N128 comes out.)
Thank you for trolling. Please drive thru...
Ricardo Riveros
BYC
Well, I'm glad that I was mentioned in that thread. Saturn is a great
fighting game system that's for sure.
--
"Hmm...sounds like a personal problem."
Bruce
Darien Allen <dariennos...@nospamworldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<340a7e15...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> On 30 Aug 1997 14:07:07 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their butts
> found u5...@cc.keele.ac.uk (SR Dominguez) mumbling:
>
> >Darien Allen (darie...@nospamworldnet.att.net) wrote:
> >: Editor or not, this still HAS to be a joke. Regardless of what genre
> >: you are interested in you mean that only 2 games for the N64 have held
> >: your interest and 3 for the Playstation? What are the titles if you
> >: don't mind my asking? How often do you buy games? When you go are
> >: you predisposted towards looking for Saturn games first, then N64, or
> >: any particular order? Do you rent alot?
> >
> >Do YOU have a Saturn?
>
> What does that have to do with what I asked him? Anyway no, I have a
> that comes up usually each weekend and brings his, so that I can play
> KOF, RB Fatal Fury, and Team Mode of Alpha! ;)
>
>
Teo Wee Hong
> RPG is for Saturn in Japan, but here in the U.S. we don't get all of
> the great RPGs that the Saturn has. Dammit, why can't they just
> release a game everywhere. I want DBZ Legends without getting my PSX
> modded or doing the swap trick and screwing my PSX up. But anyhow. Not
>
> that many Saturn RPGs are making it here, and quite a few RPGs are
> making for PSX, including the king of all RPGs.
>
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what i'm trying to say in that Saturn actually have many games and is
releasing 1 to 4 games per week, at a very fast pace. Actually wats
wrong with japanese games ? there're great, even if i dun understand the
words, i know the story. Well there're some good games are translated to
english, but not all, a lot of them were in japs so i think westerners
had only 65% of enjoy on saturn now. The rest 35% were in japs, you dun
want to play and u miss the fun. People like me are plenty in the Asia,
guess if you all in US try to appreciate japanese works, Saturn might be
first in everyweek best system.......
Darien Allen
On 1 Sep 1997 05:30:02 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their butts
found "BYC" <b...@erols.com> mumbling:
>
>Well, I'm glad that I was mentioned in that thread. Saturn is a great
>fighting game system that's for sure.
Blah, blah, blah, where were you this weekend? Oh my bad you had to
work.
hahahahahahaha.
M Tseytlin
In <340A18...@worldnet.att.net> Devilot <Dev...@worldnet.att.net>
writes:
which it was better than psx.. but it doesn't.. however, if you think
you could name one genre(not one game, a whole genre) i would be glad
to make you look stupid in my responce!
Misha
SR Dominguez
Teo Wee Hong (alca...@pacific.net.sg) wrote:
: what i'm trying to say in that Saturn actually have many games and is
: releasing 1 to 4 games per week, at a very fast pace. Actually wats
: wrong with japanese games ? there're great, even if i dun understand the
: words, i know the story. Well there're some good games are translated to
: english, but not all, a lot of them were in japs so i think westerners
: had only 65% of enjoy on saturn now. The rest 35% were in japs, you dun
: want to play and u miss the fun. People like me are plenty in the Asia,
: guess if you all in US try to appreciate japanese works, Saturn might be
: first in everyweek best system.......
Explanation. Westerners generally don't want any Japanese text in games,
even in simple shoot-em-ups. Where RPGs are concerned, they certainly want
to understand the text. So what is better to a Westerner? Playing an
import version on Lunar Silver Story or playing the incredibly dire
translated version of Beyond the Beyond? Strangely enough, most would
rather play Beyond the Beyond.
But if you grew up in another non-Japanese speaking country, and were either
non-English speaking of learning it as a second language in later years,
you'd already be used to playing games you couldn't understand, and so you'd
realise that in many cases it doesn't matter too much. Also, as it's so
easy to get Japanese games in Singapore, Hong Kong etc., you'd be even more
used to them.
The sad fact is, a lot of people don't realise that it isn't too difficult
to learn the structure of a foreign language, learn a few words (in the case
of Japanese, also a few Kanjis) and plod on through the games. And it
greatly enchances your knowledge of the language, especially if the game you
are playing is an RPG, and you are obsessive enough to look up any word you
don't know.
From RPGs alone, I learnt the Kanjis for man, woman, child, village, cave,
mountain, field and a lot more besides (since realising I could memorise
them quite easily, I've bought a Kanji guide and memorised about 200). And
then there's the basic structure of RPGs, much of the text goes like this:
Monsutaa-tachi wa ano mura ni imasu!!!
Oh, and I know quite a few phrases for "Please help us!" :)
Jesse Dorland
In a secluded warehouse,
on a pier somewhere in Maine,
gagged and at gunpoint,
m...@ix.netcom.com(M Tseytlin) frantically made this plea for help:
>Wait a second... if that is true n64 would have at least ONE genre in
>which it was better than psx.. but it doesn't.. however, if you think
>you could name one genre(not one game, a whole genre) i would be glad
>to make you look stupid in my responce!
What do you mean, not "one game, a whole genre"? If one game on System A is
better than all of System B's games in the same genre, that makes the first
system better in that category. It seems that by "being better", you're
talking in terms of size, not quality.
Anyhow, this sort of thing is totally subjective. You may like to think that
your opinion (that the Playstation beats the N64 in every genre) is a fact,
but it isn't. In my opinion, Mario 64, Waverace 64, Tetrisphere, Turok and
GoldenEye are more enjoyable than the PSX's similar offerings, but that's just
what I think. It isn't a fact, and it wouldn't hold any real weight in an
argument.
-Jesse
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William W. Ferrell
On 26 Aug 1997 13:25:40 GMT, u5...@cc.keele.ac.uk (SR Dominguez)
wrote:
>The Mario Monks (Wor...@the.way.of.mario) wrote:
>: 98% of all Playstation games are complete and utter crap. Out
>: of the 340+ games available, only 7 are worth buying:
>:
>: Resident Evil
>: Vandal Hearts
>: Super Puzzle Fighter 2
>: Final Fantasy 7
>: Tomb Raider
>: Twisted Metal
>: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
>This is very true, with a couple of exceptions. However, surely a library
>of 7 games is worth buying the console for?
Eh, lemme add to that list o' good games a bit...
Wild Arms
Jet Moto
Soul Blade
MK Trilogy
Namco Museum (vols. 1, 2, and 3; 4 and 5 aren't out yet, dammit)
Rage Racer
ESPN Extreme Games (and its sequel); okay they both could look better
but you've gotta admit there's little out there more fun than kicking
those !@#$ing street loosier (sp?) things to the ground ;)
Toshinden (all incarnations)
Tekken (all incarnations)
Bust-A-Move 2
Darkstalkers
All the street fighter incarnations (hate those games, but not because
they weren't good translations; just don't like 'em)
Destruction Derby (both incarnations)
Discworld
Tempest X3
Warhawk (1st generation game that still rivals N64 for looks ;)
Wipeout
Wipeout XL (oh yeah, baby)
> |Turbo Duo, Saturn, Megadrive,| Rachel Ryan (please do not try to
> |SNES, PC Engine GT, Playstation,| sway me with those
> |Nintendo 64, Virtual Boy, Multi-| pro-console rants, I
> |Mega, Nomad, NES, Master System.| *OWN* them all)
> |________________________________|
Cool! Do you have a Lynx, too? Kick ass machine.
William W. Ferrell
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:22:10 GMT, mad...@achilles.net (Mark David)
wrote:
>Gary Bradley <"Gary Bradley"> wrote:
>
>>So????
>
>So this man was responsible for Resident Evil. And oh, did I mention
>he was developing a 'Resident Evil like game' for the N64?
>
>>I have (well most of them). Nothing special.
>
>Okay, thanks for clearing that up; I now know that I am speaking to
>just another biased PS loser, so allow me to respond in kind: Tekken
>2, Soul Edge, Wipeout, Jet Moto, Resident Evil, FF7, Suikoden, Wild
>Arms, yeah, they're were all nothing special. Booooooring.
Wait a minute. Above you just mentioned your "godlike" developer was
making a Resident Evil-like game, but here you just said Resident Evil
was nothing special, boring. Wow, are Nintendo 64 advocates confusing
themselves, or what? ;)
William W. Ferrell
On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:54:48 -0600, msp...@hotmail.com wrote:
>oob...@chat.carleton.ca (Oliver Obagi) wrote:
>
>> You obviously LIVE in NINTENDO Land...Here on earth the
>> Playstion is kicking serous butt...
>
>I got two questions fer ya, Ollie Oggi. 1. Where's Nintendo Land? Sounds
>delightful. I'd *love* to visit. 2. Are you certain PS [or, if you
>prefer, "Playstion"] is kicking "thin and watery" butt?
>
>The MsPsx Team
This coming from the masters o' rip-off? And don't you proport to sell
PSX games? Uh, shooting yourselves in the foot, eh? Ugh. I have to
stop messing about on Usenet for awhile... a few more reminders of how
stupid most people are will be enough for me to go give the news media
something to report on...
"A man went on a rampage of destruction earlier today in downtown
Denver. He mowed down over eighty people at the Aurora mall with a
large, but as yet undetermined type, automatic weapon screaming 'learn
how to drive at least the speed limit in the fast lane, you idiots!'
Six police officers were among those killed, so the police might
actually get serious about apprehending this one.
In a totally unrelated incident, half of Boulder was blown to pieces
by a very large explosion. A man carrying a large, but as yet
undetermined type, automatic weapon rambling something about people's
driving skills was quoted as saying 'I don't care about the explosion,
I'm just glad I didn't blow up, I mean, they didn't blow up the mall
here, because they still have my Final Fantasy 7 CD.' More at 11."
See what you people do to me?!?! ;)
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busta
Jesse Dorland wrote:
>
> In a secluded warehouse,
> on a pier somewhere in Maine,
> gagged and at gunpoint,
> m...@ix.netcom.com(M Tseytlin) frantically made this plea for help:
>
> >Wait a second... if that is true n64 would have at least ONE genre in
> >which it was better than psx.. but it doesn't.. however, if you think
> >you could name one genre(not one game, a whole genre) i would be glad
> >to make you look stupid in my responce!
>
> What do you mean, not "one game, a whole genre"? If one game on System A is
> better than all of System B's games in the same genre, that makes the first
> system better in that category.
No it doesnt. Lets say that QBClub 64 winds up being the best Football
game of all time... That doesnt make the N64 the best in the sports
genre, or even the football genre.
Waverace is the best jetski game of all time. Some may say that it is
the best racing game of all time. That doesnt make the N64 the best
platform for racing games.
Lets say that the Saturn comes out with the best RPG of all time. The
PSX still has Wild Arms, Suikoden, FFVII, BtB, Persona, etc...
The PSX would still be the best in the RPG genre.
Just because a team has the best QB in the league doesnt mean they are
the best passing team in the league.
Do you see what I am getting at? I listed a few examples so even you and
Mark SHOULD understand.
Charles Miller Jr.
> Wow, the Mario Monkeys are back.
> How about Aubird Force, Tobal 2, Armored Core, MotorToon GP2, Bust a Move
2,
> WipeOut XL, Genso Suikoden to name 7 more?
> Btw, you guys been hiding in the corner playing PSX games again? Shame!
> You must continue to master Mario 64, or you're never reach
enlightenment.
Hey, come to think of it I did see two mosers at Best Buy in trench coats
and black sun glasses playing the hell out of the PSX display constantly
chanting
Oh Mario who aint in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
By night time come, Bowser will be done, his fat green ass in heaven
Give us this day our daily fix of Zelda and Metroid pix.
Forgive our sins as we punish those who diss' big N.
For thine is the Mushroom Kingdom, The Nintendo Power, and the MegaBit
forever.
Aw Man.....
Jesse Dorland
In a secluded warehouse,
on a pier somewhere in Maine,
gagged and at gunpoint,
>No it doesnt. Lets say that QBClub 64 winds up being the best Football
>game of all time... That doesnt make the N64 the best in the sports
>genre, or even the football genre.
I understand what you're trying to say, and I agree partly, but I think that
the quality of each individual game is ulimately the most important factor.
To use your example: if one system had the absolute best football game in
existence, I would buy it, even if there were half a dozen great, but not as
good, football games on another system.
>Waverace is the best jetski game of all time. Some may say that it is
>the best racing game of all time. That doesnt make the N64 the best
>platform for racing games.
I think Waverace is a bad example, because games like it are so few and far
between. It's one of those "niche" games. When there is only one or two
other games on any platform that are like it, it's much easier to be the best
than if there were heated competition.
>
>Lets say that the Saturn comes out with the best RPG of all time. The
>PSX still has Wild Arms, Suikoden, FFVII, BtB, Persona, etc...
>The PSX would still be the best in the RPG genre.
It seems you're juding quality by volume. Beyond the Beyond is not what one
would call a game of particularly high quality, but you use it in your
argument that the Playstation is the best in the RPG genre. Why?
(I agree that, in North America anyway, the Playstation *is* the best platform
for RPGs; I just disagree with the logic you used to arrive at the same
conclusion).
>Just because a team has the best QB in the league doesnt mean they are
>the best passing team in the league.
>
>Do you see what I am getting at? I listed a few examples so even you and
>Mark SHOULD understand.
I suppose I deserved that snide remark, and while I understand your point of
view, I still don't agree with you. Quantity can make a difference, but
quality rules over all, in my opinion.
If the N64 had War Gods, Dark Rift, Killer Instinct Gold, and Mortal Kombat
Trilogy, and the Playstation *only* had Tekken 2, which system would you say
was the best for fighters? The PSX, probably (I certainly would), because its
one fighter (and remember, I'm just speaking hypothetically) is better than
all of the games in the same category on the N64.
busta
I understand what you are saying.
Granted BtB isnt a great game, but my point was to show that the PSX has
the best variety and overall quality in the RPG department. (an
interesting argument would be which system would be 2nd?)
On the QBC64 argument:
If QBC DOES wind up being the best football game ever, I will buy it.
That is why I own an N64; just in case they ever do make games worth
buying.
Anyway, if QBC64 DOES wind up being the best of all time, N64 still isnt
the best in the sports or even football genre because PSX still has the
best overall quality of football games.
Lets say that QBC is a little more arcade than sim, eventually the sim
people are going to get sick of the arcade gameplay, and start to want
more. And there might not be any sim football games out there.
Whereas on the PSX, if a gamer gets sick of the arcade gameplay of the
Gameday series, it can go for the more sim-oriented Madden series.
(Madden IS more sim than gameday, although nowhere near the level of
FPSFB97) Or if they decide they want to play as UofM or Notre Dame, they
can play NCAA for sim, or Gamebreaker for arcade.
The same goes for every other genre.
Thats why the PSX (in my opinion) is better than the N64.
But I keep thinking about that question from earlier...
Which system would be second in RPGs?
NES had the FF, Ultima, and Dragon Warrior series.
SNES had the Squaresoft RPGs.
Sega had the Phantasy Star series.
Which one would be 2nd?
-Busta
terrell gibbs
In article <340FB9...@earthlink.net>, James Song <js...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
|I just had to add this. IMHO, Wave Race 64 is one of the best game I've
|ever played. Jet Moto can't even touch Wave Race 64. I actually
|thought Jet Moto was one of the "98%" crap games for the Playstation.
|I'm sure there are a lot of people who do like Jet Moto, probably a
|majority. But I can't believe anyone will say that Jet Moto is better
|than Wave Race 64.
I've played Wave Race 64, but found it rather boring. But I love Jet Moto.
I especially appreciate the large number of tracks and racing over terrain
other than water.
Charles Miller Jr.
That happens to be my HO but I can see where people would like to do the
little handle bar stands and stuff like that... IMO I thought wave race was
no more than a water pilot wings. Jet Moto was cooler because you could do
Ice Glaciers and etc whereas Wave Race was just water. The broken highway
is still one of my fav boards.
Don't get me wrong... I really am not a big fan of either....
terrell gibbs <tgi...@bu.edu> wrote in article
<tgibbs-0509...@med-pharm17.bu.edu>...
Darien Allen
After being abducted by aliens (which explains alot of things)
"Charles Miller Jr." <cwmi...@students.uiuc.edu> was told to say
that:
>That happens to be my HO but I can see where people would like to do the
>little handle bar stands and stuff like that... IMO I thought wave race was
>no more than a water pilot wings. Jet Moto was cooler because you could do
>Ice Glaciers and etc whereas Wave Race was just water. The broken highway
>is still one of my fav boards.
>Don't get me wrong... I really am not a big fan of either....
>
Broken highway...the race is on an actual highway, where pieces of it
are not connected and you jump from one to the other? That must have
been the movie I saw (maybe it was shown during a commercial?) If so,
that looks alot better than some of the other courses.
-----
John Hokanson Jr.
William W. Ferrell <choa...@verinet.com> wrote in article
<341350b8....@news.fc.hp.com>...
> On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:43:32 GMT, mad...@achilles.net (Mark David)
> wrote:
>
> >dtca...@ix.netcom.com*REMOVETOEMAIL* (A.M. and Dawn Carson) wrote:
> >
> >>I don't own an N64, I have both a Saturn and a PS [got the PS when I
> >>heard that WD was ceasing Sega development], and am happy with both of
> >>them.
> >
> >Well, guess what? Capcom's Mr. Okamoto has jumped ship and joined
> >Flagship, and he will be making games for the N64 and the Saturn--but
> >NOT for the PS.
>
> Oh, great. More Street Fighter clones (with less characters and less
> frames of animation per character, of course).
>
Only a PSX lamer would be hell bent on forcing the rumor that all duel
platform games are better on the PSX.
Got news for you buddy. Street Fighter 2 Alpha for the Saturn kicked
the PSX version in the butt in everything except the sound department.
Go read any review on the game if you don't believe me.
John Hokanson Jr.
busta <bu...@concentric.net> wrote in article
<340E01...@concentric.net>...
That's an opinion. Not a fact. Best variety.....okay...I *might* give you
that.
Most Quantity. Well.....a year or so ago, I would have dissagreed with you
there, but now it's a lost cause. Best Overall Quality, no......
Even with the recent release of Final Fantasy 7, there are still some
Saturn
RPGs that I can buy and enjoy, AND which seem better to me.
I don't like 3D polygon games, and a lot of the Saturn's RPGs are still
sprite based. Including the upcoming ones.
This doesn't include imports since I'm assuming we're staying in the
realm of North American. If we were to include Japan, it would be a
much tougher call, since there is *much* larger amount of Saturn RPGs over
there.
(an
> interesting argument would be which system would be 2nd?)
>
In RPGs? In the US? Hands down the Saturn. In overall though, it's a
tough call. I know people who still buy the N64 and it's games, and there
is still a large amount of hype surrounding the system.
But I think it will all pass in good time. The N64 is simply NOT being
accepted in the Japan. And when it falls there......
busta
BFD. 2D fighters. Yay.
Besides what do reviews mean anyway?
Reviewers are just hype spreaders.
-Busta
busta
Maybe you should point out the part where I said it was a fact!
I never did.
I am not one of those losers who goes into other systems groups and
flames their system, and those are the type of people who dont
understand the difference between fact and opinion.
> Best variety.....okay...I *might* give you
> that.
> Most Quantity. Well.....a year or so ago, I would have dissagreed with you
> there, but now it's a lost cause. Best Overall Quality, no......
In your opinion....
>
> Even with the recent release of Final Fantasy 7, there are still some
> Saturn
> RPGs that I can buy and enjoy, AND which seem better to me.
>
> I don't like 3D polygon games, and a lot of the Saturn's RPGs are still
> sprite based. Including the upcoming ones.
RPGs have always been the genre where people cared the least about
graphics, but if you can have a great story and gameplay, as well as
graphics, well that pretty much sums up almost every PSX RPG so far.
>
> This doesn't include imports since I'm assuming we're staying in the
> realm of North American.
Japanese games mean squat here.
>If we were to include Japan, it would be a
> much tougher call, since there is *much* larger amount of Saturn RPGs over
> there.
>
> (an
> > interesting argument would be which system would be 2nd?)
> >
>
> In RPGs? In the US? Hands down the Saturn. In overall though, it's a
> tough call. I know people who still buy the N64 and it's games, and there
> is still a large amount of hype surrounding the system.
How could the N64 even compete for 2nd or even 8th or 9th in RPGs when
THEY HAVE NO RPGs???
>
> But I think it will all pass in good time. The N64 is simply NOT being
> accepted in the Japan. And when it falls there......
The Amiga wasnt accepted in Japan and it lasted quite a while. I realise
we are talking about consoles, but I really dont think that Japan
matters as much as people think.
But the fact that the N64 isnt accepted in Japan, here or Europe has
it's future looking dim for now.
Charles Miller Jr.
> > But I think it will all pass in good time. The N64 is simply NOT being
> > accepted in the Japan. And when it falls there......
>
> The Amiga wasnt accepted in Japan and it lasted quite a while. I realise
> we are talking about consoles, but I really dont think that Japan
> matters as much as people think.
But, the Amiga was big stuff in Europe etc. You could about 4 years ago
(last time I was there) still buy games in regular stores for the Amiga in
England. Point is that Amiga was big in AT LEAST one circle of
influence... something the Nintendo has yet to acomplish.
Adam Fahy
busta wrote:
>
> John Hokanson Jr. wrote:
> > Got news for you buddy. Street Fighter 2 Alpha for the Saturn kicked
> > the PSX version in the butt in everything except the sound department.
> > Go read any review on the game if you don't believe me.
> BFD. 2D fighters. Yay.
> Besides what do reviews mean anyway?
> Reviewers are just hype spreaders.
In this case, the reviews were correct;
It looked as though Capcom just didn't care when they ported over their 2d
fighters to the PS. It was far worse than the Saturn, and *not* due to system
differences.
Many people still like 2d games.
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Charles Miller Jr.
> In this case, the reviews were correct;
> It looked as though Capcom just didn't care when they ported over their
2d
> fighters to the PS. It was far worse than the Saturn, and *not* due to
system
> differences.
It was due to the system differences. The Saturn is a better 2D machine
and the proof is in the fact that they were a 3D second system and the PSX
is a 2D second system. Also, the PSX was better in sound because of the
system differences.
> Many people still like 2d games.
I second that. I wish Sega would make 2D games like they used to.... :(
terrell gibbs
In article <34133E...@oitunix.oit.umass.edu>, Adam Fahy
<af...@oitunix.oit.umass.edu> wrote:
:It looked as though Capcom just didn't care when they ported over their 2d
:fighters to the PS. It was far worse than the Saturn, and *not* due to system
:differences.
Hard to believe. Capcom has always taken extraordinary care in porting
their games to any system. Who has done a better job than Capcom in
implementing a 2D fighter on the PS?
Adam Fahy
Isn't this a loaded question?
Gary Bradley
Charles Miller Jr. wrote:
>
> > In this case, the reviews were correct;
>
> 2d
> > fighters to the PS. It was far worse than the Saturn, and *not* due to
> system
> > differences.
>
> and the proof is in the fact that they were a 3D second system and the PSX
> is a 2D second system. Also, the PSX was better in sound because of the
> system differences.
>
> > Many people still like 2d games.
>
> I second that. I wish Sega would make 2D games like they used to.... :(
PSX incarnations of Capcom fighters also go faster than Saturn
equivalents if both are set to the maximum speed setting. [Not much use
for most people but interesting]. I would like to point out that the
above statement about PSX versions being FAR worse is just crap. They
are very close in deed. You really need to be Capcom obsessive to notice
the extra frames the Saturn has and the playability is not affected in
the least. Being a Capcom obsessive myself, I do notice and go for the
Saturn versions in the end; but it is also fair to point out that aside
from the missing animation frames, the PSX version look otherwise
graphically superior (sharper graphics, more colours etc) - and yes I
know the PSX sprites are a little smaller. In summary I'd say Capcom
games have better animation on Saturn but better graphics on PSX if you
see what I mean.
Gary
Gary Bradley
You can still buy plenty of Amiga stuff in the UK even today. And
believe it or not, there are more Amiga games magazines on sale monthly
than there are Saturn magazines. It is THAT big.
Brian Scanlon
That's nice, but take a gander at a real 2D power house. OK, so it doesn't
have many 2D games, but look at Yoshi's Story and weep.
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Charles Miller Jr.
Brian Scanlon <Shar...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
<01bcbc89$24d4d280$352aedcc@Sharps97>...
Ah... but 2D games are much more memory intensive than 3D so let us see how
much variety there is in the graphics of Yoshi's Story before we declare a
"power house". Remember, even the SNES could make screen shots that rival
those of the N64... this is what you are basing your opinion on I would
assume.
Fires long since burned out Nothing left but ash
John Hokanson Jr. (gam...@alpahinfo.com) wrote:
: Only a PSX lamer would be hell bent on forcing the rumor that all duel
: platform games are better on the PSX.
: Got news for you buddy. Street Fighter 2 Alpha for the Saturn kicked
: the PSX version in the butt in everything except the sound department.
: Go read any review on the game if you don't believe me.
Review? Why not try playing it and seeing for yourself? Or, if you have,
try suggesting that. If you're relying soley on reviews for information
on the game, well, I guess sheep do need a shepherd.
Harley Davidson
ana...@best.com
Charles Miller Jr.
Yeah, I sorta figured it was still really big there, but wasn't sure. From
what I saw it was far from out. Also, I belive the Master System was still
strong at the time. I saw LOTS of games there that us states people never
got to see. Granted there were a lot of Genesis "ports" but still great
games.
Gary Bradley <"Gary Bradley"> wrote in article
<341475...@demon.co.uk>...
Charles Miller Jr.
> PSX incarnations of Capcom fighters also go faster than Saturn
> equivalents if both are set to the maximum speed setting. [Not much use
> for most people but interesting].
I guess you have done a side by side... I haven't ever checked.
> I would like to point out that the
> above statement about PSX versions being FAR worse is just crap.
I would like to point out that you need to read and comprehend. I never
said the PSX version was FAR worse in anyway... just that I prefered the
Saturn's graphics over the PSX's and that the Saturn's sound was not as
good as the PSX's. I don't know why people like you go off like that...
may be you need to slow down.
> They
> are very close in deed. You really need to be Capcom obsessive to notice
> the extra frames the Saturn has and the playability is not affected in
> the least.
I will say that the playability on the Saturn was better than the PSX
simply due possibly to the pad design. Extra frames may not help gameplay
but they sure don't hurt graphics wise. I do belive that was the
discussion at hand rather than playability anyways.....
> Being a Capcom obsessive myself, I do notice and go for the
> Saturn versions in the end; but it is also fair to point out that aside
> from the missing animation frames, the PSX version look otherwise
> graphically superior (sharper graphics, more colours etc) - and yes I
> know the PSX sprites are a little smaller. In summary I'd say Capcom
> games have better animation on Saturn but better graphics on PSX if you
> see what I mean.
Fair statements.
> Gary
King Jeff
Brian Scanlon wrote:
>
> That's nice, but take a gander at a real 2D power house. OK, so it doesn't
> have many 2D games, but look at Yoshi's Story and weep.
> --
> People often hate that which helps them the most...
I do. Everytime I think about what Nintendo could be making instead
of crap like Yoshi's Island, I weep.
-jeff
SR Dominguez
Charles Miller Jr. (cwmi...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: > The Amiga wasnt accepted in Japan and it lasted quite a while. I realise
: > we are talking about consoles, but I really dont think that Japan
: > matters as much as people think.
:
: But, the Amiga was big stuff in Europe etc. You could about 4 years ago
: (last time I was there) still buy games in regular stores for the Amiga in
: England. Point is that Amiga was big in AT LEAST one circle of
: influence... something the Nintendo has yet to acomplish.
You can STILL buy Amiga games in regular stores in England. Not so many
mind, but they are there. And British Amiga magazines (which do exist) are
still talking about possible buyouts of the Amiga system, something which is
feasible.
And I have a 10 megabyte '030 A1200 with half a gigabyte of HD, plus
digitiser (true colour) and 600 DPI printer. I still do all my work on it,
and I've been buying new software for it of late.
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Brian Scanlon
> Ah... but 2D games are much more memory intensive than 3D so let us see
how
> much variety there is in the graphics of Yoshi's Story before we declare
a
> "power house".
Source, the game lacks repetive textures and makes use of special effects
to an amazing degree. It graphically challenges FF7 in its own way. Not the
dark gloomyness of FF7, kind of like the exact opposite. The water uses
many neat effects, and some land parts have a shiny look to them, while
others look like cloth. The texturing in that game is jaw dropping. The
theme is a story book, and man, I have rarely seen such good graphics
anywhere. The variety is amazing.
terrell gibbs
In article <01bcbc89$24d4d280$352aedcc@Sharps97>, "Brian Scanlon"
<Shar...@prodigy.net> wrote:
| That's nice, but take a gander at a real 2D power house. OK, so
it |doesn't have many 2D games, but look at Yoshi's Story and weep.
We'll see how good the 2D animation in Yoshi's Story is when it comes out.
Isn't it sad when a system has so few decent games that people have to
point at unreleased games to argue for the power of their system?
Charles Miller Jr.
Yeah, but um... uh... it hasn't been out long enough for the games to come
out! Why do you guys insist on judging a systems games when it has only
been out for... oops... it has been out for a long time I guess... and I
guess PSX and Saturn had maybe ten times as many games by then... and they
came out faster... maybe you're right... :)-~
BTW, wasn't mortal Kombat a 2D game? hehehe... low blow.
terrell gibbs <tgi...@bu.edu> wrote in article
<tgibbs-0909...@med-pharm17.bu.edu>...
Jesse Dorland
In a secluded warehouse,
on a pier somewhere in Maine,
gagged and at gunpoint,
help:
>Brian Scanlon wrote:
>>
>> That's nice, but take a gander at a real 2D power house. OK, so it doesn't
>> have many 2D games, but look at Yoshi's Story and weep.
>> --
>> People often hate that which helps them the most...
>
>
> I do. Everytime I think about what Nintendo could be making instead
>of crap like Yoshi's Island, I weep.
Using a time machine to play games before they're even finished ruins the
surprise, Jeff. Hasn't anyone ever told you that?
-Jesse
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King Jeff
Jesse Dorland wrote:
>
> In a secluded warehouse,
> on a pier somewhere in Maine,
> gagged and at gunpoint,
> King Jeff <lakej@concentric.*NOSPAM*.net> frantically made this plea for
> help:
>
> >Brian Scanlon wrote:
> >>
> >> That's nice, but take a gander at a real 2D power house. OK, so it doesn't
> >> have many 2D games, but look at Yoshi's Story and weep.
> >> --
> >> People often hate that which helps them the most...
> >
> >
> > I do. Everytime I think about what Nintendo could be making instead
> >of crap like Yoshi's Island, I weep.
>
> Using a time machine to play games before they're even finished ruins the
> surprise, Jeff. Hasn't anyone ever told you that?
I'm sorry, you're right. (no sarcasm)
Let me restate:
Every time I think about what Nintendo could be making instead of a
game like Yoshi's Island, the prequel to which I did not like and which
I think will be crap, I weep.
-jeff
Adam Fahy
Brian Scanlon wrote:
[on N64 Yoshi]
> It graphically challenges FF7 in its own way. Not the
> dark gloomyness of FF7, kind of like the exact opposite.
[...]
> The texturing in that game is jaw dropping. The
> theme is a story book, and man, I have rarely seen such good graphics
> anywhere. The variety is amazing.
Definitely the type of game the N64 does best (IMO).
Darien Allen
Time ground to a halt when Adam Fahy <af...@oitunix.oit.umass.edu>
uttered these words:
>Brian Scanlon wrote:
>
>[on N64 Yoshi]
>
>> It graphically challenges FF7 in its own way. Not the
>> dark gloomyness of FF7, kind of like the exact opposite.
>
>[...]
>
>> The texturing in that game is jaw dropping. The
>> theme is a story book, and man, I have rarely seen such good graphics
>> anywhere. The variety is amazing.
>
>Definitely the type of game the N64 does best (IMO).
This sounds like a definition Grandia.
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Brian Scanlon
>Isn't it sad when a system has so few decent games that people have to
> point at unreleased games to argue for the power of their system?
came out...
Rob M.
"Brian Scanlon" <Shar...@prodigy.net> coughed up:
> That's nice, but take a gander at a real 2D power house. OK, so it doesn't
>have many 2D games, but look at Yoshi's Story and weep.
Hmmm, I think Yoshi's Story doesn't look all that great. I mean
renders don't seem to capture the style of Yoshi's Island as well.
Plus, if you want to take a look at the real 2D power house... look at
the Saturn. ;-)
And yes I do own a PSX, and yes I DID use to own an N64, but the lack
of quality games (read games that I would pay $100 for. Yes, up here
in B.C., Canada the cheapest N64 games are $79.99, then add our nice
14% sales tax and you see why I'm hesitant to pay $91.19 for Star
Fox...) and the bleak release schedule influenced me to pick up a PSX.
And oh yeah..... I'm the only PSX owner not buying FF VII!!
Rob M.
tgi...@bu.edu (terrell gibbs) coughed up:
>In article <34133E...@oitunix.oit.umass.edu>, Adam Fahy
><af...@oitunix.oit.umass.edu> wrote:
>
>:It looked as though Capcom just didn't care when they ported over their 2d
>:fighters to the PS. It was far worse than the Saturn, and *not* due to system
>:differences.
>
>Hard to believe. Capcom has always taken extraordinary care in porting
>their games to any system. Who has done a better job than Capcom in
>implementing a 2D fighter on the PS?
I don't think Adam means the gameplay and animation, it's just the
presentation of SFA2 on the PSX that is horrible (really, really
horrible). It doesn't look like Capcom put much effort in the PSX
version, other than translating the game. I mean, it doesn't even
have team mode!! :(
Herman McClain
King Jeff wrote:
>
> Jesse Dorland wrote:
> >
> > In a secluded warehouse,
> > on a pier somewhere in Maine,
> > gagged and at gunpoint,
> > King Jeff <lakej@concentric.*NOSPAM*.net> frantically made this plea for
> > help:
> >
> > >Brian Scanlon wrote:
> > >>
> > >> That's nice, but take a gander at a real 2D power house. OK, so it doesn't
> > >> have many 2D games, but look at Yoshi's Story and weep.
> > >> --
> > >> People often hate that which helps them the most...
> > >
> > >
> > > I do. Everytime I think about what Nintendo could be making instead
> > >of crap like Yoshi's Island, I weep.
> >
> > Using a time machine to play games before they're even finished ruins the
> > surprise, Jeff. Hasn't anyone ever told you that?
>
> I'm sorry, you're right. (no sarcasm)
> Let me restate:
>
> Every time I think about what Nintendo could be making instead of a
> game like Yoshi's Island, the prequel to which I did not like and which
> I think will be crap, I weep.
>
> -jeff
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, poor baby ;)
Adam Fahy
> >Hard to believe. Capcom has always taken extraordinary care in porting
> >their games to any system. Who has done a better job than Capcom in
> >implementing a 2D fighter on the PS?
>
> I don't think Adam means the gameplay and animation, it's just the
> presentation of SFA2 on the PSX that is horrible (really, really
> horrible). It doesn't look like Capcom put much effort in the PSX
> version, other than translating the game. I mean, it doesn't even
> have team mode!! :(
Exactly.
David A Gerstenhaber
I Just recently purchased a Playstation. I did not buy a N64.
The reasons are varied but basically, I like the games better on the
Playstation. The N64 is a good system, however the games are more
expensive, and don't really interest me. I often feel that
Nintendo really markets to a younger audience (I am not saying N64 owners
are immature!) With a few notable exceptions aside N64 games are light
and airy, relying on older SNES and NES games to carry the system.
(Mario cart 64, Star Fox 64, castlevania etc etc.) The Playstation games,
generally, are fresh and hip, marketed to the 20 something crowd who are
looking primarily for something new and different. Just my .02.
-Dave
Frank Traut
David A Gerstenhaber wrote:
> The Playstation games,
> generally, are fresh and hip, marketed to the 20 something crowd who are
> looking primarily for something new and different. Just my .02.
>
> -Dave
Yep, I'll agree with this and with the release of FF7: gays, black
people(yes, they can be swayed from the Genesis) with limited
vocabularies have joined the target audience ;)
-Frank
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