Saturn's Stunning come back: 400,000 Saturns sold in two weeks!!!!!!!!!!!
Nobody's Perfect
http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
Saturn Sales Rocket
Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For the
first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is rivaling
its nemesis at retail.
Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
sales are up 400 percent.
Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide at most
of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice president Ted
Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
the US.
Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
Mark A. Jensen
In article <32A51D...@nowhere.com>, Nobody's Perfect
<nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
>
> Saturn Sales Rocket
>
> Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
>
>
>
> The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
> increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For the
> first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is
rivaling
> its nemesis at retail.
>
> Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
> sales are up 400 percent.
Aren't they referring to the installed user base in the US? Latest sales
figures from TRU (see GEO) have shown a significant increase in Saturns
sold, however it still is not outselling PS or N64.
Mark
jim schaefer
> Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
but both are eating nintendo's
Jody McLean
Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in article
<32A51D...@nowhere.com>...
> http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
>
> Saturn Sales Rocket
>
> Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
>
>
>
> The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
> increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For
the
> first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is
rivaling
> its nemesis at retail.
They said 'rivaling'. Not 'beating them to a pulp'.
>
> Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
> sales are up 400 percent.
Perhaps it's because of the el cheapo software that's included with the
deal. That would count as software sales, wouldn't it?
> Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide at
most
> of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice president
Ted
> Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
Yeah, but for how long? How long can they afford to do this? What they
are doing is dumping their system onto people that want something cheap.
After people see how disappointing Saturn is, the return rate will be
phenominal.
> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns
per week!!!!!!!
> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000
more Saturns in
> the US.
Don't get a big head over it, asshole. Playstations have been selling like
that for the last year, and Saturn still has its work cut out for it in the
US. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that works in a vid-game store
what they think of Saturn. They'll tell you it's something you wipe your
ass with.
>
> Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
In your dreams, shit-for-brains doughboy.
Jody
Bishop
Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com> writes:
>http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
> Saturn Sales Rocket
>Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
> The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
> increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For the
> first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is rivaling
> its nemesis at retail.
> Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
> sales are up 400 percent.
> Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide at most
> of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice president Ted
> Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
>
> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
> the US.
> Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!i
hahahaha! Latest TRSTS reports have 42 of the top 50 games of October
belong to the Playstation. Even in Japan Sony has passed up
Sega and with Final Fantasy just about ready Saturn will really fade
away. By this time next year, the video game market will be dominated by
Sony and Nintendo.
Bishop ^_^
econ...@aol.com
>>
> The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
> increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For
the
> first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is
rivaling
> its nemesis at retail.
>
> Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
> sales are up 400 percent.
Aren't they referring to the installed user base in the US? Latest sales
figures from TRU (see GEO) have shown a significant increase in Saturns
sold, however it still is not outselling PS or N64.
Mark<<
Actually you are wrong, sales figures from this weekend indicate that
Saturn matched or exceeded the sales of both PSX and N64 (although only
N64 because it is largely unavailable). The 400,000 figure is the reorder
number from retailers, meaning they sold out of their stock and combined
requests for additional Saturns for their stocks total 400,000. So I'd
say they were confident in being able to sell those systems, especially in
light of retailers previous ambivelence towards Saturn.
So, you need to combine the previous sold # of 400,000 approx. with the
recent sales, which should ocme close to the reorder.
Michael R. Baraniecki
Jody McLean (jmc...@sk.sympatico.ca) wrote:
: > Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
: > November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
: > sales are up 400 percent.
: Perhaps it's because of the el cheapo software that's included with the
: deal. That would count as software sales, wouldn't it?
Nah, and what's your beef against the 3 softs packaged with the Saturn?
VF2 and VC are two of the best games around, and Daytona is also great.
: > Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide at
: most
: > of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice president
: Ted
: > Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
: Yeah, but for how long? How long can they afford to do this? What they
: are doing is dumping their system onto people that want something cheap.
: After people see how disappointing Saturn is, the return rate will be
: phenominal.
What's dissapointing about the Saturn? It has many great games, and
while they may not be up to the graphical standards set by the N64, they
are in no way inferior games. Bias is a blinding commodity.
: > Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns
: per week!!!!!!!
: > With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000
: more Saturns in
: > the US.
: Don't get a big head over it, asshole. Playstations have been selling like
: that for the last year, and Saturn still has its work cut out for it in the
: US. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that works in a vid-game store
: what they think of Saturn. They'll tell you it's something you wipe your
: ass with.
Yeah, they're the guys you should ask for about videogames. "But Killer
Instinct IS coming out for the Playstation!" *snicker*
: In your dreams, shit-for-brains doughboy.
Yet another foulmouth to stick in the kill-file.
--
-Mike
Michael R. Baraniecki
uni...@netcom.com
gala...@erols.com
Ajay Kumar Joshi
Nobody's Perfect (nob...@nowhere.com) wrote:
: Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
: November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
: sales are up 400 percent.
press release, found at www.sega.com/news/releases/saturnsales.html does
not claim that they have sold 400,000 in two weeks, it says that "Since
the promotion began on November 18 retail reorders of Sega Saturn
Hardware have topped 400,000 units." Do you know what that means nobody?
That means retailers only expect to sell 400,000 more Saturns this year.
Sega also says in the press release that they just topped 1 million
Saturns in the US a number Sony blew by months ago. Hell Nintendo has
almost that many units sold in 2 months. Not a very impressive showing if
you ask me. Sega also says they hope to get to about 1.5 million sold by
the end of the year that's less than 500,000 more over the holidays they
aren't even as optimistic as you are. You will probably just disregard my
argument though as I have given sources and quotes as opposed to your
normal argument which consists of making stuff up. We've still never
gotten a source to your claim that Namco said that the PSX was maxxed out
nor to a source that says Tekken 3 is running on a system 22 board. And
you making stuff up doesn't count as a source.
:
: Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
: With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
: the US.
:
: Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
By the way you should have really kept this post in the Sega newsgroup
where it belongs. If you had I wouldn't have had to make you look like
the stupid troll you are.
Jason Costa
Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
> the US.
>
> Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
Did you also read the article about record PSX game sales? No, I
guess not. The Saturn will never take the lead on the PSX or the N64 in
the US. They could sell one million between now and X-mas, and they still
wouldn't catch up with Sony. Sony is STILL selling very well, and so is
the N64. The people that do buy the Saturn will soon find out that they
wasted good money that could be better spend on a PSX, an N64, or some
good PSX or N64 games. Instead, you get a Saturn with 3 old games, one of
which (VC) is useless without a stunner, and Daytona (which wasn't even
close to the arcade, they had to come out with another "Remix" in
disguise). And VF2, which is about the only game the Saturn has that's
any good, but nowhere near Tekken 2. And did you also check out the two
PSX game previews on NG? Soul Edge and Resident Evil 2. No dust is being
eaten by Sony. But maybe Sega will be eating crow. -JC-WATCHDOG
Carey Leung
> >http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
> > Saturn Sales Rocket
> >Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
> > The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
> > increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For the
> > first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is rivaling
> > its nemesis at retail.
> > Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> > November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
> > sales are up 400 percent.
> > Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide at most
> > of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice president Ted
> > Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
> >
> > Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> > With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
> > the US.
> > Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!i
> hahahaha! Latest TRSTS reports have 42 of the top 50 games of October
> belong to the Playstation. Even in Japan Sony has passed up
> Sega and with Final Fantasy just about ready Saturn will really fade
> away. By this time next year, the video game market will be dominated by
> Sony and Nintendo.
And just think, when Final Fantasy 7 comes out in Japan, (since FF is
tremdously popular in Japan) everyone there will own a PSX.... The fact is
that PSX is still ahead and it will be way ahead when FF comes out..
Fires long since burned out Nothing left but ash
jim schaefer (min...@wwa.com) wrote:
: > Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
: but both are eating nintendo's
But not for much longer if Nintendo doesn't start getting the games
out. Yes it has some good games. But it also has MK Trilogy and
Killer Instinct Gold. Also, a total of, what, 6 games now, 7 games?
is not nearly enough to warrant the $200 price tag. Mario is not
that good. Unfortunately, neither is Shadows of the Empire.
Harley Davidson
ari...@pain.net
Siegfried
The latest TRSTS is not up to date at all! It's nowhere near covering
last weekend!
-Siegfried
Siegfried
..and you're not that good at pretending not to be a lousy Nintendo
basher...
Robert Crockett
Nobody's Perfect wrote:
>
> http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
>
> Saturn Sales Rocket
>
> Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
>
> The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
> increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For the
> first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is rivaling
> its nemesis at retail.
>
> Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
> sales are up 400 percent.
>
> Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide at most
> of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice president Ted
> Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
>
>
> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
> the US.
>
Yea, I read that, but read this, released within a short time of the
above press release.
Found at http://www.ogr.com/console/features/sonygames.shtml
Sony Game Sales Prease Release
FOSTER CITY, Calif. -- (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Dec. 3, 1996 -- Sony Computer
Entertainment
America announced today that software for the PlayStation game console
is selling at an
unprecedented rate of six titles to each PlayStation sold. This 6-to-1
ratio represents an all-time high
for the U.S. video game industry.
"There are a number of factors that directly contribute to the
unparalleled sales success of the
PlayStation software," says Andrew House, vice president, marketing,
Sony Computer
Entertainment America. "The huge number of both currently available and
forthcoming games, the
competitive price point of CD-based software, and the superb quality of
the games all combine to
make the PlayStation an incredibly attractive purchase for the video
game player." According to
Electronics Boutique's November 19 top ten video games sales list, six
of the top ten games listed
were PlayStation software titles. Electronics Boutique also reports
PlayStation software is outselling
other 32-bit system software by a 20-to-1 margin. In addition, the
October TRSTS Report states
42 of the top 50 software spots are dominated by PlayStation software
titles.
There are currently more than 150 titles set for the PlayStation game
console, with a total of 200
expected by the end of this year. Never before has a video game console
had this much quality
software available in the first year of the system's life.
Consumers are able to buy PlayStation software titles in such large
numbers due, in part, to the fact
Sony Computer Entertainment America can release modern, CD-based titles
for a significantly
lower price than cartridge-based systems which rely on older, more
expensive and out-dated silicon
chips. The additional benefits of CD-ROM are that it also has a greater
capacity for memory
storage, which means longer and more "realistic" games, and also the
ability to play back genuine
music and voices instead of simplistic computer-generated sounds.
Twisted Metal2, NFL Game Day `97 and NHL Face Off `97 lead the way in
quality games
produced by Sony Interactive Studios America for Sony Computer
Entertainment America.
Licensed Sony Computer Entertainment America games such as Crash
Bandicoot and Tobal No. 1
further expand the status of PlayStation games. Lastly, the total
dominance of sports software for
the PlayStation game console make it the system of choice.
All genres of games -- from fighting and racing, to sports and arcade --
are represented in the
incredible number of available titles. Whatever experience a gamer is
looking for, it is available on
the PlayStation game console.
Sony Computer Entertainment America, a division of Sony Interactive
Entertainment Inc., is based
in Foster City, Calif. The company markets the PlayStation game console
for distribution in North
America, publishes software for the PlayStation game console for the
North American market, and
manages the U.S. third party licensing program. Sony Interactive
Entertainment Inc. is a subsidiary
of Sony Corporation of America.
--
-Rob Crockett, Santa Clarita, California
Please visit my web site!!! http://www.smartlink.net/~crockett
Jeffrey John Hemenway
So a Nintendo basher is one who admits that Nintendo's line-up thus far
is far from stellar? Well, then I guess that makes me one too. Too
bad, I liked my Nintendo 64... :)
Jeff
Dale Brouwer
Nobody's Perfect wrote:
>
> http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
>
> Saturn Sales Rocket
>
> Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
>
> The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
> increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For the
> first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is rivaling
> its nemesis at retail.
>
> Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
> sales are up 400 percent.
>
> Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide at most
> of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice president Ted
> Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
>
>
> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
> the US.
For all those curious, the "quote" I actually read said that Sega had
received orders from stores for 400000 more Saturns, after the
impressive sales of thankgiving.
I saw another article that misquoted the first, and guess which one
Nobody's Fucked decided to use...
Here the URL for the press release:
http://www.ogr.com/console/features/segasalespr.shtml
----------------------------
and the relevant quote...
----------------------------
To date, sales of Sega Saturn have surpassed 1 million units in North
America. Sega is confident it will meet its goal of selling 1.5 million
units by the end of December 1996. Since the promotion began on Nov. 18,
retail reorders of Sega Saturn hardware have topped 400,000 units. In
anticipation of this, Sega has increased production to meet the holiday
demand.
----------------------------
Nobody, when you lie, your nose grows, and your dick strinks.
Watch out, you're going to create a vortex.
Dale Brouwer
Watch out, you're going to create a vortex.
Hell, I didn't even notice.
Nobody posted this only to the Sony & Nintendo groups...
(Troll)
Let's let his good buddies in the sega group enjoy his honesty and
openness as well.
Nobody's Perfect
Mark Tseytlin wrote:
> RIVALING FOR THE FIRST TIME????
I presume rivaling Nintendo64, since PSX is not selling 200,000 units
per week.
> Thus teh PSX has been winning for a
> year and the Saturn does good for two weeks and your happy?
Over half of all consoles are sold during December.
Nobody's Perfect
Fires long since burned out Nothing left but ash wrote:
> I somehow think this can't exactly be considered "Sony eating sega's dust".
Because Sony is not moving 200,000 PSXs per week?
>
> Harley Davidson
> ari...@pain.net
Nobody's Perfect
Phat Hong Tran wrote:
> An optimistic Sega estimate of a 5x increase in Saturn sales since the
> 3-free-pack promotion hardly equates to "Sony eating Sega's dust". As
> you recall, Sony has been outselling Saturns 5:1 in NA and Europe.
5 to 1? Last time, you were claiming 3 to 1.
> So,
> for the short term that the promotion is in effect, Saturn sales may
> equal PSX sales, but the Sega doldrums will return with the new year.
> Even with this act of desparation, Sega still cannot catch up.
Saturn clearly is outselling PSX for now.
>
> BTW, why are you quoting Next-Gen (or Sony Gen as you call it) if you
> so detest the "biased" nature of their organization?
Because you people regard Sony Generation's messages as God sent?
If I quoted off other sources, you said I copied it off some Sega fan
boy's web page.
>
> Phat.
Nobody's Perfect
Carey Leung wrote:
> And just think, when Final Fantasy 7 comes out in Japan, (since FF is
> tremdously popular in Japan)
March of 1997. Well after X-mas shopping season.
> everyone there will own a PSX.... The fact is
> that PSX is still ahead
No it is not.
> and it will be way ahead when FF comes out..
FF series never sold more than 3 million copies per installmant.
Assuming
existing PSX ownerd buy 2 million copies, that leaves only 1 million
new PSX
owners. That is not enough to catch up to Sega, which is expected to
clean out
the videogame market this X-mas, thanks to Fighters MegaMix, Virtua
Cop2, DaytonaCCE,
Dynamite Detective(Die Hard Arcade in the US), Tera Fantasia, Riglord
Saga 2,
King of Fighters96, and dozen more killer titles...........
Nobody's Perfect
Jason Costa wrote:
They could sell one million between now and X-mas, and they still
> wouldn't catch up with Sony.
Why not? Remeber Plaything report? Saturn is the 6th best selling toy
in the US(before 3 game packin offer). PSX didn't make the top 10.....
> Sony is STILL selling very well, and so is
> the N64.
I don't know about Nintendo, but PSX is definately not selling 200,000
units
per week.
> The people that do buy the Saturn will soon find out that they
> wasted good money that could be better spend on a PSX,
Maxxed out console with no good games.
> an N64,
Gmaes cost too much.
And VF2, which is about the only game the Saturn has that's
> any good, but nowhere near Tekken 2.
What the hell? VF2 far exceeds Tekken2.
> And did you also check out the two
> PSX game previews on NG? Soul Edge
Sucks,
> and Resident Evil 2.
Going Saturn.
Fires long since burned out Nothing left but ash
Siegfried (csa...@proaxis.com) wrote:
: ana...@nntp.best.com (Fires long since burned out) wrote:
: >jim schaefer (min...@wwa.com) wrote:
: >
: >: > Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
: >
: >: but both are eating nintendo's
: >But not for much longer if Nintendo doesn't start getting the games
: >out. Yes it has some good games. But it also has MK Trilogy and
: >Killer Instinct Gold. Also, a total of, what, 6 games now, 7 games?
: >is not nearly enough to warrant the $200 price tag. Mario is not
: >that good. Unfortunately, neither is Shadows of the Empire.
: ..and you're not that good at pretending not to be a lousy Nintendo
: basher...
I will only bash nintendo until they get out enough games to make me
want to buy a Nintendo 64. Then I will buy one. Until then, I wish
rabid Nintendo-ites would stay in rec.games.video.nintendo, and out
of rec.games.video.sony. I promise this rabid psx'er will try to
do the reverse.
Harley Davidson
ari...@pain.net
Eric Beaupre
>
> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
> the US.
Wow you can divide.
...And multiply.
DarqueStorm
I totally agree with you JC! I did own both a PSX and Saturn, but sold my
Saturn a week ago. Due to the fact that Sega would only release one great
game a month, IMO. While in the past 2 1/2 months Sony has put out tons of
great games. And another thing, I took advice off the net to get a Saturn,
because of all the great RPG's for it, but you know what, I owned it for
almost a year and the Saturn had only 3 rpg's, Blazing Heros, shining
wisdom, and legend of the oasis, and only legend of oasis was any good.
Sorry sega, you lack of quality software, football games (quality ones),
sound problems, constant delays have forced me to give all my money to Sony
and maybe even nintendo down the line.
Jason Costa <Jason.Cost...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
> Did you also read the article about record PSX game sales? No, I
> guess not. The Saturn will never take the lead on the PSX or the N64 in
> the US. They could sell one million between now and X-mas, and they
still
Pokey
Ah, but remember, the 64DD will revoulitianalize RPG's. With rewritable
storage, and unlimited space. yee haw, then see what sony does.
Carey Leung <cle...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in article
<584l5j$4...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>...
> Bishop (yla...@cm.math.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> > Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com> writes:
>
> > >http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
>
> > > Saturn Sales Rocket
>
> > >Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
>
> > > The company and associated retailers are reporting a
sales
> > > increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend.
For the
> > > first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine
is rivaling
> > > its nemesis at retail.
>
> > > Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> > > November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000.
Software
> > > sales are up 400 percent.
>
> > > Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide
at most
> > > of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice
president Ted
> > > Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
>
> > >
> > > Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000
Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> > > With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000
more Saturns in
> > > the US.
>
> > > Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!i
>
> > hahahaha! Latest TRSTS reports have 42 of the top 50 games of October
> > belong to the Playstation. Even in Japan Sony has passed up
> > Sega and with Final Fantasy just about ready Saturn will really fade
> > away. By this time next year, the video game market will be dominated
by
> > Sony and Nintendo.
>
> And just think, when Final Fantasy 7 comes out in Japan, (since FF is
> tremdously popular in Japan) everyone there will own a PSX.... The fact
is
> that PSX is still ahead and it will be way ahead when FF comes out..
>
>
John - Onward
On 5 Dec 1996 06:26:57 GMT, in rec.games.video.sony, "Pokey"
<rram...@ix.netcom.com> mused:
>Ah, but remember, the 64DD will revoulitianalize RPG's. With rewritable
>storage, and unlimited space. yee haw, then see what sony does.
I sincerely doubt this. While rewritable console storage would indeed
be useful, there have been systems with rewritable storage and
practically unlimited space for quite a while now, namely PC's, and
hard drive storage is much cheaper than the 64DD will be...yet I
haven't seen any RPG revolutions in the making. While the story can
be a little more...customizable, and PC RPGs are doing so (For
example, the Elder Scrolls series, the Ultima series, allowing you to
do pretty much anything you damn well please while still having a
story...) I doubt suddenly we'll have a "Random-RPG Generator" for the
N64 just because it has more storage space. CD's are, for all intents
and purposes, "Unlimited space" using that definition (FFVII is what,
3 CD's?) but they can't be rewritten...how much is rewriting really
needed, even on PC RPGs? Little. I'll believe the 64DD RPG
"revolution" when I see it myself.
John
Electrical Engineering - University of Southern California
Jason Costa
"DarqueStorm" <dst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I totally agree with you JC! I did own both a PSX and Saturn, but sold my
>Saturn a week ago. Due to the fact that Sega would only release one great
>game a month, IMO. While in the past 2 1/2 months Sony has put out tons of
>great games. And another thing, I took advice off the net to get a Saturn,
>because of all the great RPG's for it, but you know what, I owned it for
>almost a year and the Saturn had only 3 rpg's, Blazing Heros, shining
>wisdom, and legend of the oasis, and only legend of oasis was any good.
>Sorry sega, you lack of quality software, football games (quality ones),
>sound problems, constant delays have forced me to give all my money to Sony
>and maybe even nintendo down the line.
It's good you got rid of the Saturn and freed up some money. I can't
keep up with all the PSX games coming out now. Make sure to pick up
Legacy of Kain if you haven't yet. I should be getting my copy next week
sometime. It'a a lot better than Legend of the Oasis for the Saturn.
-JC-WATCHDOG
Anthony Kanner
On 4 Dec 1996 20:30:44 GMT, Jason Costa
<Jason.Cost...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
>> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
>> the US.
>>
>> Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> Did you also read the article about record PSX game sales? No, I
>guess not. The Saturn will never take the lead on the PSX or the N64 in
>the US. They could sell one million between now and X-mas, and they still
>wouldn't catch up with Sony. Sony is STILL selling very well, and so is
>the N64. The people that do buy the Saturn will soon find out that they
>wasted good money that could be better spend on a PSX, an N64, or some
>good PSX or N64 games. Instead, you get a Saturn with 3 old games, one of
>which (VC) is useless without a stunner, and Daytona (which wasn't even
>close to the arcade, they had to come out with another "Remix" in
>disguise). And VF2, which is about the only game the Saturn has that's
>any good, but nowhere near Tekken 2. And did you also check out the two
>PSX game previews on NG? Soul Edge and Resident Evil 2. No dust is being
>eaten by Sony. But maybe Sega will be eating crow. -JC-WATCHDOG
>
Your incorrect on VF2 is the only game on saturn thats any good and
your also incorrect about vf2 being nowhere as good as tk2 .. and you
also don't own a saturn so you don't know if it has good software
.....
-----------------------------------
Anthony Kanner
kan...@pacificnet.net
http://www.pacificnet.net/~kanner/
-----------------------------------
SPud George
In article <01bbe275$227d2b20$63461ecc@#rramire2>, "Pokey"
<rram...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Ah, but remember, the 64DD will revoulitianalize RPG's. With rewritable
> storage, and unlimited space. yee haw, then see what sony does.
How could rewritable storage revolutionize RPG's? Unlimited space?
Someone correct me here, isn't it only like 16 megs rewritable?
SPud
MASHOOD KHAN
On 5 Dec 1996, Pokey wrote:
> Ah, but remember, the 64DD will revoulitianalize RPG's. With rewritable
> storage, and unlimited space. yee haw, then see what sony does.
>
> Carey Leung <cle...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in article
> <584l5j$4...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>...
> > Bishop (yla...@cm.math.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> > > Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com> writes:
> >
> > > >http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
> >
> > > > Saturn Sales Rocket
> >
> > > >Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
> >
> > > > The company and associated retailers are reporting a
> sales
> > > > increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend.
> For the
> > > > first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine
> is rivaling
> > > > its nemesis at retail.
> >
> > > > Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> > > > November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000.
> Software
> > > > sales are up 400 percent.
> >
> > > > Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide
> at most
> > > > of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice
> president Ted
> > > > Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
> >
> > > >
> > > > Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000
> Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> > > > With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000
> more Saturns in
> > > > the US.
> >
> > > > Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!i
> >
> > > hahahaha! Latest TRSTS reports have 42 of the top 50 games of October
> > > belong to the Playstation. Even in Japan Sony has passed up
> > > Sega and with Final Fantasy just about ready Saturn will really fade
> > > away. By this time next year, the video game market will be dominated
> by
> > > Sony and Nintendo.
> >
> > And just think, when Final Fantasy 7 comes out in Japan, (since FF is
> > tremdously popular in Japan) everyone there will own a PSX.... The fact
> is
> > that PSX is still ahead and it will be way ahead when FF comes out..
> >
> >
>
>
That would be just great wouldn't it ? Everbody owning one
system. Hey that would mean that Sony could release any old crap, and
people would have to buy it. Third parties would have to agree with the
terms dictated by the Sony, which would mean they would be less inclined
to create really good software. But a least there wouldn't be any system
wars ; )
Mash
John E Larkspur
Dale Brouwer (dbro...@delcen.com) wrote:
: For all those curious, the "quote" I actually read said that Sega had
: received orders from stores for 400000 more Saturns, after the
: impressive sales of thankgiving.
:
: I saw another article that misquoted the first, and guess which one
: Nobody's Fucked decided to use...
:
: Here the URL for the press release:
: http://www.ogr.com/console/features/segasalespr.shtml
: ----------------------------
: and the relevant quote...
: ----------------------------
: To date, sales of Sega Saturn have surpassed 1 million units in North
: America. Sega is confident it will meet its goal of selling 1.5 million
: units by the end of December 1996. Since the promotion began on Nov. 18,
: retail reorders of Sega Saturn hardware have topped 400,000 units. In
: anticipation of this, Sega has increased production to meet the holiday
: demand.
: ----------------------------
:
: Nobody, when you lie, your nose grows, and your dick shrinks.
: Watch out, you're going to create a vortex.
: Hell, I didn't even notice.
: Nobody posted this only to the Sony & Nintendo groups...
: (Troll)
: Let's let his good buddies in the sega group enjoy his honesty and
: openness as well.
Speaking for r.g.v.sega, I'd like to point out that we are not
responsible for his behavior, nor have we any more ability to stop him
than the rest of you. If you want my opinion, console sales counting is
for cheerleaders, not gamers.
Thank you for wasting 3 minutes of my life on this, and please, don't
come back.
-Lark
Bishop
Siegfried <csa...@proaxis.com> writes:
>>> hahahaha! Latest TRSTS reports have 42 of the top 50 games of October
>>> belong to the Playstation. Even in Japan Sony has passed up
>>> Sega and with Final Fantasy just about ready Saturn will really fade
>>> away. By this time next year, the video game market will be dominated by
>>> Sony and Nintendo.
>The latest TRSTS is not up to date at all! It's nowhere near covering
>last weekend!
It was for October! That's about as up to date as those reports can get!
However, I do expect to see Sega's 3 pack in games in the top 25 for
the month of Nov. considering they come with every system now. I still
expect to see more than 50 % of game sales to be for the Playstation. The
month of November had just as many if not more great games as the month
of October.
Bishop ^_^
Jeremy Rutz
In article <585t8f$h...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Jason Costa <Jason.Cost...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>"DarqueStorm" <dst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>I totally agree with you JC! I did own both a PSX and Saturn, but sold my
>>Saturn a week ago. Due to the fact that Sega would only release one great
>>game a month, IMO. While in the past 2 1/2 months Sony has put out tons of
>>great games. And another thing, I took advice off the net to get a Saturn,
>>because of all the great RPG's for it, but you know what, I owned it for
>>almost a year and the Saturn had only 3 rpg's, Blazing Heros, shining
>>wisdom, and legend of the oasis, and only legend of oasis was any good.
>>Sorry sega, you lack of quality software, football games (quality ones),
>>sound problems, constant delays have forced me to give all my money to Sony
>>and maybe even nintendo down the line.
>
>
consistently delayed, with some exceptions (Daytona CCE, Virtual On). The only
good football game is Madden, and our RPGs have been cancelled left and right.
RPG fans, it IS only a matter of time, as there are several down the pipe - if
only WD can keep up with them (please Vic!).
Quality software is subjective. Saturn has been regarded as having the best
titles by several pubs (who also rate it low - go figure!).
There's still room for improvement, Sega...
-------------------------------------
Jeremy Rutz
jer...@suba.com
Goose
In article <32A51D...@nowhere.com>, Nobody's Perfect
<nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
>
> Saturn Sales Rocket
>
> Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
>
>
>
> The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
> increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For the
> first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is
rivaling
> its nemesis at retail.
>
> Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
> sales are up 400 percent.
>
> Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide at most
> of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice president Ted
> Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
>
>
> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns
per week!!!!!!!
> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000
more Saturns in
> the US.
>
> Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
Nobody....you should not that this was a SEGA PRESS RELEASE (and we know
how reliable they are).
If you read it carefully, 400,000 units weren't sold to users.....they are
retail reorders. Also what was even funnier was the fact that SEGA said
they had more games for SATURN than PSX + N64 titles combined with 214
titles......
Is it just me or is that # completely off......??? 214 Titles.....since when??
The Sega 3 pack is a good deal....can't deny it. If you don't already own
both systems....it's a good deal. Also the 3 Games traded into EB = 42$
credit.....
Bias is only a product of an individual with only 1 system = Nobody
--
Checkout the TEKKEN 2 WWW SITE....
Still one of the first,best, and fastest loading
http://www.access.digex.net/~goose/tekken.html
Douglas Barkes
kann...@ix.netcom.com (Anthony Kanner) wrote:
>On 4 Dec 1996 20:30:44 GMT, Jason Costa
><Jason.Cost...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
>>> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
>>> the US.
>>>
>>> Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>guess not. The Saturn will never take the lead on the PSX or the N64 in
>>the US. They could sell one million between now and X-mas, and they still
>>wouldn't catch up with Sony. Sony is STILL selling very well, and so is
>>the N64. The people that do buy the Saturn will soon find out that they
>>wasted good money that could be better spend on a PSX, an N64, or some
>>good PSX or N64 games. Instead, you get a Saturn with 3 old games, one of
>>which (VC) is useless without a stunner, and Daytona (which wasn't even
>>close to the arcade, they had to come out with another "Remix" in
>>disguise). And VF2, which is about the only game the Saturn has that's
>>any good, but nowhere near Tekken 2. And did you also check out the two
>>PSX game previews on NG? Soul Edge and Resident Evil 2. No dust is being
>>eaten by Sony. But maybe Sega will be eating crow. -JC-WATCHDOG
>>
>
>Your incorrect on VF2 is the only game on saturn thats any good and
>your also incorrect about vf2 being nowhere as good as tk2 .. and you
>also don't own a saturn so you don't know if it has good software
Oh, but he did, for what was it, a month or so? And out of that short
time, he already knows that everything about it sucks and that <chuckle>
the Saturn will be dead by April.
System advocates are soooo much fun...
Doug
--
Doug Barkes | dba...@concentric.net | doug....@kgb.com
------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Tseytlin
In <Pine.OSF.3.91.961205131958.13280D-100000@leofric> MASHOOD KHAN
<m...@coventry.ac.uk> writes:
>
>On 5 Dec 1996, Pokey wrote:
>
>> Ah, but remember, the 64DD will revoulitianalize RPG's. With
rewritable
>> storage, and unlimited space. yee haw, then see what sony does.
suqare(the best RPG maker) said that you would need about 20 times more
space than the DVD offers to make FFVII, coming out for PSX!
>>
>> Carey Leung <cle...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in article
>> <584l5j$4...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>...
>> > Bishop (yla...@cm.math.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>> > > > Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000
>> Saturns per week!!!!!!!
>> > > > With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least
600,000
>> more Saturns in
>> > > > the US.
>> >
>> > > > Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!i
>> >
>> > > hahahaha! Latest TRSTS reports have 42 of the top 50 games of
October
>> > > belong to the Playstation. Even in Japan Sony has passed up
>> > > Sega and with Final Fantasy just about ready Saturn will really
fade
>> > > away. By this time next year, the video game market will be
dominated
>> by
>> > > Sony and Nintendo.
>> >
Siegfried
spud_...@macd.bethany.edu (SPud George) wrote:
>In article <01bbe275$227d2b20$63461ecc@#rramire2>, "Pokey"
>
>> Ah, but remember, the 64DD will revoulitianalize RPG's. With rewritable
>> storage, and unlimited space. yee haw, then see what sony does.
>
>
>SPud
As much as 512 megs are rewritable, or as little as 0 megs. The
programmers can allocate the space however they see fit with any
combination of ROM and RAM that totals 64 megabytes, or 512 megabits.
-Siegfried
Some1
You know, if Nintendo offered 3 free games with N64, it would sell way more
than Saturn. At least if Nintendo could MAKE the things.... after all N64
is Time magizine's "machine of the year" as well as "toy of the year", Good
Morning America's "most wanted christmas product" and my local news' "most
wanted toy in Omaha"
--
Some1
bre...@shenessex.heartland.net
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/9758
Jeffrey John Hemenway <jjhe...@engr.ucdavis.edu> wrote in article
<32A6156B...@engr.ucdavis.edu>...
> Siegfried wrote:
> >
> > ana...@nntp.best.com (Fires long since burned out) wrote:
> > >jim schaefer (min...@wwa.com) wrote:
> > >
> > >: > Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >: but both are eating nintendo's
> > >But not for much longer if Nintendo doesn't start getting the games
> > >out. Yes it has some good games. But it also has MK Trilogy and
> > >Killer Instinct Gold. Also, a total of, what, 6 games now, 7 games?
> > >is not nearly enough to warrant the $200 price tag. Mario is not
> > >that good. Unfortunately, neither is Shadows of the Empire.
> >
> > ..and you're not that good at pretending not to be a lousy Nintendo
> > basher...
>
Weapon X
>
> Oh, but he did, for what was it, a month or so? And out of that short
> time, he already knows that everything about it sucks and that <chuckle>
> the Saturn will be dead by April.
>
just going to lay down and die? You've got another thing coming. The
saturn is technically superior to psx (EGM:BG97), and it does have a lot
of sensational games. Admittedly Sega has made a _lot_ of mistakes in
the pr department, but it would be foolish to predict it's death. By the
way, VF2 kicks Tekken2's ass handily(IMO).
Saturn has held it's own from the outset, even though plagued with
problems like a lack kof games at release, bad rep, etc, and now it is
doing more than just hold it's own.
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>
>
>
Crisis
Mark Tseytlin wrote:
> Please get some facts, in the latest issue of UltraGP, a guy at
> suqare(the best RPG maker) said that you would need about 20 times more
> space than the DVD offers to make FFVII, coming out for PSX!
Right. Somebody tell me exactly where in the magazine this is
stated, and I will personally go through it and see it for
myself. And if that guy actually *did* say that, well, he's
an idiot, case closed.
/ |\ | / | / "I find life is a lot easier the lower I keep everyone's
\ |\ | / | / expectations." -Calvin & Hobbes
Crisis
> > Please get some facts, in the latest issue of UltraGP, a guy at
> > suqare(the best RPG maker) said that you would need about 20 times more
> > space than the DVD offers to make FFVII, coming out for PSX!
>
> Right. Somebody tell me exactly where in the magazine this is
> stated, and I will personally go through it and see it for
> myself. And if that guy actually *did* say that, well, he's
> an idiot, case closed.
Oops, my bad. The guy Misha was responding to was talking about
the 64DD, *not* DVD. That really *would* take 20 times as much
stuff. Though if we really *was* talking about DVD, that would
be *very* stupid.
Dale Brouwer
Goose wrote:
> Also what was even funnier was the fact that SEGA said
> they had more games for SATURN than PSX + N64 titles combined with 214
> titles......
> Is it just me or is that # completely off......??? 214
> Titles.....since when??
Coincidentally, Sony has 214 titles (as of yesterday).
Sega has around 151 (As of November 26th).
Nintendo has 8.
Let's give Sega the benefit of the doubt, and put them at 160 by now.
160 > 214 + 8
It's true! Do the math!
BTW: If Sony really cared about how many titles they have here in North
America, they have 300+ Japanese games they could release here.
Someone's Perfect
> Saturn Sales Rocket
> >
> >Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
> >
> > > > The company and associated retailers are reporting a
> sales
> > > > increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend.
> For the
> > > > first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine
> is rivaling
> > > > its nemesis at retail.
> >
> > > > Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> > > > November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000.
> Software
> > > > sales are up 400 percent.
> >
> > > > Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide
> at most
> > > > of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice
> president Ted
> > > > Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
> >
> > > >
> > > > Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000
> Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> > > > With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000
> more Saturns in
> > > > the US.
> >
> > > > Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!i
> >
ALSO ON THE NEXT GENERATION ONLINE AT
" http://www.next-generation.com " NEWS ON DEC 4,1996
SONY MAKE RECORD RATIO CLAIM
SONY IS CLAIMING RECORD SOFTWARE SALES RATIO FOR PLAYSTATION
THE COMPANY SAYS GAMES FOR PLAYSTATION ARE SELLING AT AN "UNPRECEDENTED
RATE" OF SIX TITLES FOR EACH INITIAL UNIT OF HARDWARE.IT HAS ALSO ATTACKED
RIVAL PLATFORMS CITING AN ELECTRONICS BOUTIQUE REPORT THAT PLAYSTATION
SOFTWARE SALES LEVELS ARE AS HIGH AS 20 TIMES BETTER THAN " OTHER 32-BIT
SYSTEM SOFTWARE "
SONY VICE PRESIDENT OF MARKETING ANDREW HOUSE COMMENTED :"THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE UNPARALLELED SALES
SUCCESS OF PLAYSTATION SOFTWARE. THE HUGE NUMBER OF CURRENTLY AVAILABLE
AND FORTHCOMING GAMES,THE COMPETITIVE PRICE OF CD-BASED SOFTWARE AND THE
SUPERB QUALITY OF THE GAMES ALL COMBINE TO MAKE THE PLAYSTATION AN
INCREDIBLY ATTRACTIVE PURCHASE FOR THE VIDEOGAME PLAYERS.
THE FIRM POINTS OUT THE LATEST TRST REPORT WHICH STATES 42 OF THE TOP
50 SOFTWARE SPOTS ARE PLAYSTATION GAMES.
---------
Kain...
Anthony Kanner
On 5 Dec 1996 07:22:55 GMT, Jason Costa
<Jason.Cost...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>"DarqueStorm" <dst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>I totally agree with you JC! I did own both a PSX and Saturn, but sold my
>>Saturn a week ago. Due to the fact that Sega would only release one great
>>game a month, IMO. While in the past 2 1/2 months Sony has put out tons of
>>great games. And another thing, I took advice off the net to get a Saturn,
>>because of all the great RPG's for it, but you know what, I owned it for
>>almost a year and the Saturn had only 3 rpg's, Blazing Heros, shining
>>wisdom, and legend of the oasis, and only legend of oasis was any good.
>>Sorry sega, you lack of quality software, football games (quality ones),
>>sound problems, constant delays have forced me to give all my money to Sony
>>and maybe even nintendo down the line.
>
>
> It's good you got rid of the Saturn and freed up some money. I can't
>keep up with all the PSX games coming out now. Make sure to pick up
>Legacy of Kain if you haven't yet. I should be getting my copy next week
>sometime. It'a a lot better than Legend of the Oasis for the Saturn.
>-JC-WATCHDOG
>
#1 There is tons of playstation games coming out -- does that mean any
are worth buying?
#2 Legacy of Kain has gotten reviews not as good as legend of Oasis
#3 Why are you so biased .. sega is just a major video game company ..
do you work for sony (if so I could understand why) or do you want to?
#4 Why aren't you playing your playstation instead of posting
countless messages in the newsgroup if its so damn cool.
Anthony Kanner
On 5 Dec 1996 04:35:39 GMT, "DarqueStorm" <dst...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>I totally agree with you JC! I did own both a PSX and Saturn, but sold my
>Saturn a week ago. Due to the fact that Sega would only release one great
>game a month, IMO. While in the past 2 1/2 months Sony has put out tons of
>great games. And another thing, I took advice off the net to get a Saturn,
>because of all the great RPG's for it, but you know what, I owned it for
>almost a year and the Saturn had only 3 rpg's, Blazing Heros, shining
>wisdom, and legend of the oasis, and only legend of oasis was any good.
>Sorry sega, you lack of quality software, football games (quality ones),
>sound problems, constant delays have forced me to give all my money to Sony
>and maybe even nintendo down the line.
>
football quality games: MADDEN 97
Next year lunar 1-3 will be released on saturn and .. a lot of people
consider the lunar series to be the best rpg series ever
What kind of quality software are you looking for?
Fighting..sports....what!?
>
>Jason Costa <Jason.Cost...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
>> Did you also read the article about record PSX game sales? No, I
>> guess not. The Saturn will never take the lead on the PSX or the N64 in
>> the US. They could sell one million between now and X-mas, and they
>still
>> wouldn't catch up with Sony. Sony is STILL selling very well, and so is
>> the N64. The people that do buy the Saturn will soon find out that they
>> wasted good money that could be better spend on a PSX, an N64, or some
>> good PSX or N64 games. Instead, you get a Saturn with 3 old games, one
>of
>> which (VC) is useless without a stunner, and Daytona (which wasn't even
>> close to the arcade, they had to come out with another "Remix" in
>> disguise). And VF2, which is about the only game the Saturn has that's
>> any good, but nowhere near Tekken 2. And did you also check out the two
>> PSX game previews on NG? Soul Edge and Resident Evil 2. No dust is
>being
>> eaten by Sony. But maybe Sega will be eating crow. -JC-WATCHDOG
>>
>>
-----------------------------------
Anthony Kanner
>"DarqueStorm" <dst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>I totally agree with you JC! I did own both a PSX and Saturn, but sold my
>>Saturn a week ago. Due to the fact that Sega would only release one great
>>game a month, IMO. While in the past 2 1/2 months Sony has put out tons of
>>great games. And another thing, I took advice off the net to get a Saturn,
>>because of all the great RPG's for it, but you know what, I owned it for
>>almost a year and the Saturn had only 3 rpg's, Blazing Heros, shining
>>wisdom, and legend of the oasis, and only legend of oasis was any good.
>>Sorry sega, you lack of quality software, football games (quality ones),
>>sound problems, constant delays have forced me to give all my money to Sony
>>and maybe even nintendo down the line.
>
>
> It's good you got rid of the Saturn and freed up some money. I can't
>keep up with all the PSX games coming out now. Make sure to pick up
>Legacy of Kain if you haven't yet. I should be getting my copy next week
>sometime. It'a a lot better than Legend of the Oasis for the Saturn.
>-JC-WATCHDOG
>
lol
k...@nfsmith.com
Some1 wrote:
>
> You know, if Nintendo offered 3 free games with N64, it would sell way more
> than Saturn. At least if Nintendo could MAKE the things.... after all N64
Huh? Yes, if Nintendo offered three games, no other consoles would
sell. Period. At $30 COST TO MFR each, this is unrealistic. It is
costing Sega about 6$ to pack in those three games. VF2 free will cost
them a bit of lost future revenue, though.
Why does everyone insist on keeping this thread alive? It is in the
wrong groups, anyway. Please let this thread die.
William Longworth
On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:53:42 -0700, Weapon X <krra...@acs.ucalgary.ca>
wrote:
>>
>> Oh, but he did, for what was it, a month or so? And out of that short
>> time, he already knows that everything about it sucks and that <chuckle>
>> the Saturn will be dead by April.
>>
Obviously ridiculous since the Saturn is doing well enough in Japan
alone to keep it afloat.
>The saturn is technically superior to psx (EGM:BG97), and it does have a lot
>of sensational games.
Uhh, not to dispute the geniuses at EGM, but the Saturn is an utter
bear to work with and suffers from many faults which work to cripple
its performance in many areas.
1.)Rather than a unified display architechture for display RAM, the
Saturn splits its 1 meg into two 512k chunks, one for textures (3D),
and the other for bitmaps (2D). While this is fine for Street Fighter
games, it means that the Saturn has effectively 256k LESS texture
space than the PSX. The PSX also enjoys superior fx (transparency,
lighting), better palette handling (16 bit high color, 64 8-bit
palettes, or 976 16 color palettes, in ANY combination. The Saturn
supports 3 modes, 1024 colors, 2048, or 15 bit high color, none of
which can be mixed.), and a powerful geometry engine for handling
basic object transformations (rotation, scale, position, etc.). In
the Saturn's favor, it has vastly superior floating point performance
(the PSX has none, actually, and is completely integer based), which
should theoretically allow it to produce smoother 3D, render objects
further from the camera (less draw in), etc. The use of bitmap planes
also allows things like backgrounds and ground planes to be done much
more efficiently than by texturing massive numbers of polys ala the
PSX (and thus avoiding more of the dreaded texture warping that comes
with no built in perspective correction). Unfortunately, the
multiprocessor design makes things difficult, and achieving the
Saturn's true potential will take longer, I suspect, than this
hardware generation will survive.
2.)Audio in the Saturn should, on paper, be superior to the PSX, but
in reality it, too, is crippled by memory constraints. Basically, you
are faced with a Ferrari class engine and a Yugo size gas tank.
> By the
>way, VF2 kicks Tekken2's ass handily(IMO).
I like VF2, but I have to say that Teken 2 "sold" its hits better.
Fighting Vipers, however, is awful, IMO, and completely lacks VF2's
balance (drop the armor and start pounding your opponent relentlessly
into a corner, never letting them once stand up...boring).
My major complaint about the Saturn is that the only really
outstanding games come from AM2 (unless you love SF clones). Much of
the 3rd part stuff has been really weak.
As for the Saturn's surge in sales, who knows? It is entirely
possible that many of those Saturn's were bought by mother's trying to
get a good present for under the tree. Some will undoubtedly be
returned (ditto for the PSX and N64). I would be more interested in
seeing if Sega can hold consumer's attention after Christmas. they
had a good thing going last year when VF2 and Sega Rally helped boost
sales. I don't think rehashing old titles over and over (Fighter's
megamix, VF Kids, Daytona Circuit edition, a rumored "new" netlink
version of Sega Rally) is going to inspire confidence, though I also
don' think they will hurt. This late in the game (strangely enough,
the Saturn and the PSX are both more than half way through their
respective 5 year life spans (the average for a game console), and the
time for innovative titles is growing very short with development
times stretching well over a year) I have to wonder if both Sony and
Sega aren't eyeing the next generation more than the current.
And now back to your regularly scheduled usenet programming...
Jason Varisco
Nobody's Perfect wrote:
>
> Jason Costa wrote:
> > The people that do buy the Saturn will soon find out that they
> > wasted good money that could be better spend on a PSX,
>
>
Hmm... didn't people start this "PSX is maxxed out" crap about 5-6
months ago? Rage Racer, Wipeout XL, Tomb Raider, Pandemoniem, Tobal #1,
F1, Crash Bandicoot, Soul Edge, Bushido Blade, SFA2, all games that came
out (or will) after that whole thread started, with better graphics and
gameplay than preceding games- PSX is far from being maxxed out.
Speaking of maxxed out though, why is PSX Tomb Raider graphically
superior to the Saturn version? I think this would be a case of the pot
calling the kettle black.
And as for no good games, generally the vast majority of the games on
one platform are on the others, so if the PSX has no good games, the
only ones you have to crow about are Sega's in-house projects, and
that's a short list of titles to support a system...
On, another subject, I'm not a programmer, but wouldn't it be that the
higher up a game system gets in processing power, the higher the # of
programming options, a longer learning curve, and thus more potential
for the machine to grow? Such would seem the case. Hell, even the SNES
and Genesis had marked improvements in graphics during the last couple
years of their lives.
> And VF2, which is about the only game the Saturn has that's
> > any good, but nowhere near Tekken 2.
>
> What the hell? VF2 far exceeds Tekken2.
Pure opinion. One I wouldn't argue with you on, but with the way you
bash PSX, how can anyone take your opinion seriously?
> > And did you also check out the two
> > PSX game previews on NG? Soul Edge
>
> Sucks,
Once again, pure opinion, but I for one would take Soul Edge over
Fighting Vipers (eech!).
> > and Resident Evil 2.
>
> Going Saturn.
Proof? Source you got that from?
(Insert sounds of crickets silently chirping...)
Thought so.
KNAD
Fires long since burned out Nothing left but ash
Nobody's Perfect (nob...@nowhere.com) wrote:
: Fires long since burned out Nothing left but ash wrote:
: > I somehow think this can't exactly be considered "Sony eating sega's dust".
: Because Sony is not moving 200,000 PSXs per week?
: >
: > Harley Davidson
: > ari...@pain.net
Ah, but then, neither is sega. Re-read the announcement, and you will see
that they say there have been 400000 more retail orders. That means, not that
that many sega units have been sold, but that that is the number of units that
will be sitting on shelves waiting to be sold at whatever your local retailer
is. And even if all of those units sell, I am forced to wonder how many
PSX's and N64's will make their way into homes around the country. BTW, I
feel special, nobody responded to me.
Harley Davidson
ari...@pain.net
Mark Tseytlin
In <32A66C...@nowhere.com> Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com>
writes:
>Carey Leung wrote:
>
>> And just think, when Final Fantasy 7 comes out in Japan, (since FF
is
>> tremdously popular in Japan)
>
>
>
>> everyone there will own a PSX.... The fact is
>> that PSX is still ahead
>
LOOK AT THGE ARTICLE YOU POSTE MORON! It said FOR THE FIRST time
saturn was competing with PSX, ONE WEEK, verses a year!
>
>> and it will be way ahead when FF comes out..
>
> FF series never sold more than 3 million copies per installmant.
>Assuming
> existing PSX ownerd buy 2 million copies, that leaves only 1 million
>new PSX
> owners. That is not enough to catch up to Sega, which is expected to
>clean out
> the videogame market this X-mas, thanks to Fighters MegaMix, Virtua
>Cop2, DaytonaCCE,
> Dynamite Detective(Die Hard Arcade in the US), Tera Fantasia, Riglord
>Saga 2,
> King of Fighters96, and dozen more killer titles...........
Mark Tseytlin
In <32A66A...@nowhere.com> Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com>
writes:
>
>Mark Tseytlin wrote:
>
>> RIVALING FOR THE FIRST TIME????
>
> I presume rivaling Nintendo64, since PSX is not selling 200,000
units
It sold more over all, isn't that what mater, and it is still out
seling in software!!
>per week.
>
>> Thus teh PSX has been winning for a
>> year and the Saturn does good for two weeks and your happy?
>
> Over half of all consoles are sold during December.
PEOPLE STILL HAVE THEM DOn't they?
Mark Tseytlin
>
>> I somehow think this can't exactly be considered "Sony eating sega's
dust".
>
> Because Sony is not moving 200,000 PSXs per week?
Who is winning in the U.s: PSX
in Japan?:PSX
In Europe?:PSX!
]NOUGH SAID!!
>>
>> Harley Davidson
>> ari...@pain.net
Aaron Newton
Mark Tseytlin (m...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> Please get some facts, in the latest issue of UltraGP, a guy at
> suqare(the best RPG maker) said that you would need about 20 times more
> space than the DVD offers to make FFVII, coming out for PSX!
>
Facts? Okay, ...
a) no one is talking DVD there, they are talking 64DD.
b) that's only because of FMV
c) the point is that the *rewritable* space on the 64DD
will revolutionize RPGs... something PSX doesn't offer.
If you honestly think that revolutionary gameplay is decided by how much
storage space the medium used offers then you are sadly mistaken. The fact
that FFVII requires so much storage space means nothing except that it'll
be really really pretty.
The fact that it would take 20 64DD disks to hold FFVII, the way it is being
made, says NOTHING about the ability of the 64DD to open the door for new
methods in RPG making.
-Aaron
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Phat Hong Tran
In article <32A66A...@nowhere.com>,>Phat Hong Tran wrote:
>
>> An optimistic Sega estimate of a 5x increase in Saturn sales since the
>> 3-free-pack promotion hardly equates to "Sony eating Sega's dust". As
>> you recall, Sony has been outselling Saturns 5:1 in NA and Europe.
>
> 5 to 1? Last time, you were claiming 3 to 1.
5:1 is still within the range of estimates. Since you so freely grab
the most optmistic numbers Sega's PR machine throws to the public, I
thought I should use one of Sony's higher estimates as well.
And you should note that Sega said it received "400,000" reorders. This
figure is not the sell-through figure at all. Marketing departments
always have a way of wording things...
Phat.
terrell gibbs
In article <584n1k$f...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Jason Costa
<Jason.Cost...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
:Did you also read the article about record PSX game sales? No, I
:guess not. The Saturn will never take the lead on the PSX or the N64 in
:the US. They could sell one million between now and X-mas, and they still
:wouldn't catch up with Sony.
Some people seem to confuse toy manufacturers with football teams, and feel
obliged to root for their favorite. But it's not a contest in which there
is going to be a single winner. It doesn't really matter whether the Saturn
catches up to the PS or not, so long as there are sufficient Saturns sold
to justify continued game development. With the big burst of Saturn sales
over the Xmas season, it is a safe bet that Saturn development will remain
vigorous for the next year or so.
:Sony is STILL selling very well, and so is
:the N64. The people that do buy the Saturn will soon find out that they
:wasted good money that could be better spend on a PSX, an N64, or some
:good PSX or N64 games.
Lots of people still prefer Sega's games. For these people, the Saturn is
the best choice. The N64 is also selling extremely well, and is becoming
the system of choice for people who are interested in top quality graphics,
although its game library will probably remain pretty thin for 6 months or
so. The big sales of the N64 may well motivate ports of hot PS titles to
the N64 platform, especially once the disk drive becomes availabl.
:Instead, you get a Saturn with 3 old games, one of
:which (VC) is useless without a stunner,
Think of it as a complete demo, allowing the consumer to decide whether he
likes the game before shelling out for a gun. And the gun alone is cheaper
than the average game, and can be used with VC, VC2, Area 51, and Die Hard,
so anybody who likes shooting games at all is going to want one. Nor is the
Stunner the only choice available. Personally, I like the MadKatz Phazor,
which is also compatible with the PS.
:and Daytona (which wasn't even close to the arcade,
:they had to come out with another "Remix" in disguise).
Except in gameplay, which is what matters to fans of Sega's arcade games.
It is still regarded by many as the best playing racing game available for
any system, and many prefer it to the later Daytona CCE.
: And VF2, which is about the only game the Saturn has that's
:any good, but nowhere near Tekken 2.
Some people prefer one, some prefer the other, but almost every unbiased
observer agrees that they are very close.
:And did you also check out the two
:PSX game previews on NG? Soul Edge and Resident Evil 2. No dust is being
:eaten by Sony. But maybe Sega will be eating crow. -JC-WATCHDOG
Doesn't look like anybody is likely to be eating crow, or dust, this
season. Instead, it looks like consumers will continue to have a choice of
three strong systems, each with its own unique assets.
Oasis
Nobody's Perfect wrote:
>
> Carey Leung wrote:
>
> > And just think, when Final Fantasy 7 comes out in Japan, (since FF is
> > tremdously popular in Japan)
>
> March of 1997. Well after X-mas shopping season.
>
> > everyone there will own a PSX.... The fact is
> > that PSX is still ahead
>
> No it is not.
PSX has been outselling the Saturn for over a year, and Saturns are
finally selling at about the same rate as PSXs now. The Saturn has a
long way to go to catch up. This last ditch desperation move by Sega
won't pay off in the long run.
>
> > and it will be way ahead when FF comes out..
>
> FF series never sold more than 3 million copies per installmant.
> Assuming
> existing PSX ownerd buy 2 million copies, that leaves only 1 million
> new PSX
> owners. That is not enough to catch up to Sega, which is expected to
> clean out
> the videogame market this X-mas, thanks to Fighters MegaMix,
Not out yet.
> Virtua Cop2,
Same as the first game. Shoot, shoot, shoot, reload. Boring.
> DaytonaCCE,
Sucks. Love that pop up!
> Dynamite Detective(Die Hard Arcade in the US),
Sucks. I've never seen worse polygon graphics.
> Tera Fantasia,
No one's heard of it.
> Riglord Saga 2,
Sucks.
> King of Fighters96,
SOA will probably bring over Toshinden URA part 2 instead, which will
suck.
> and dozen more killer titles...........
Wake me when you get to the 'killer titles' part.
gmar...@primenet.com
On Wed, 04 Dec 1996 22:29:39 -0800, Nobody's Perfect
<nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Jason Costa wrote:
> They could sell one million between now and X-mas, and they still
> wouldn't catch up with Sony.
> Why not?
Because prior to the pack-in promotion by Sega they were well over a
million units behind the Playstation.
>> Sony is STILL selling very well, and so is the N64.
> I don't know about Nintendo, but PSX is definately not selling 200,000
>units per week.
That's absolutely correct, and neither is the Saturn selling 200,000
units per week. Your reading comprehension needs quite a bit of work
if you think that article claimed anything of the sort.
>> an N64,
> Gmaes cost too much.
That may well end up being true, but the N64 games are currently
outselling nearly every other game out there, even though they are
more expensive.
Dale Brouwer
> Nobody's A Shithead (nob...@nowhere.com) wrote:
> : Fires long since burned out Nothing left but ash wrote:
>
> : > I somehow think this can't exactly be considered "Sony eating
> : > sega's dust".
>
> : Because Sony is not moving 200,000 PSXs per week?
Your right. Based on current production counts, Sony is moving
250000 a week.
K.Rutkowski
I have both a Saturn and a PSX, they are both good systems. I
like the games I have for both of them, although I prerfer my
Saturn a little bit more over my PSX, but the the point is I hope Sega
Saturn sells continue to increase because it will increase the
competition and that is good for the consumer.
humbert
I don't think Saturn's success will affect the Playstation or Playstation
game development very much at this point.
What I'd like to see is their Netlink take off, so that online gaming
becomes a "proven" success. I'm not intersted in browsing with a game
console or thru a TV but I'd like to see online or modem games take off.
Perhaps this will spur Sony and Nintendo to offer similar devices for
their platforms.
Many have said the next-generation which follows the current systems will
have online capability built-in. However, unless consumers prove to the
game industry that there is significant consumer demand for it, I don't
think they will build in modems or make modems for the Playstation 2 or
the N128 or whatever.
The M2 specs on Next Generation Online seems to indicate that online
gaming is still not on the radar screens of the system designers.
Kain
On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Nobody's Perfect wrote:
>> And just think, when Final Fantasy 7 comes out in Japan, (since FF is
>> tremdously popular in Japan)
> March of 1997. Well after X-mas shopping season.
The leading PS videogame magazines in Japan :
" PlayStation magazine " No.23 (12.13.1996)
" The PlayStation " No.41 (12.13.1996)
" Hyper PlayStation " No.1 (January 1997)
clearly said that the release date of FF7 is " 01/31/1997 "
March 1997 - Saga frontier (Square) *****
- Biohazard 2 (resident evil 2) *****
-----
Kain...
Matthew J. Rudnick
The only reason Sega is doing so well suddenly is because you can now
get three games with it while Sony and the N64 you got to buy games to
play.
Mitch Hulburt
In article <32a67c21...@news.pacificnet.net>, kann...@ix.netcom.com
(Anthony Kanner) wrote:
I'm not speaking for WATCHDOG, but I couldn't resist replying to this...
> On 5 Dec 1996 07:22:55 GMT, Jason Costa
> <Jason.Cost...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >"DarqueStorm" <dst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>I totally agree with you JC! I did own both a PSX and Saturn, but sold my
> >>Saturn a week ago.
(trimmed)
> #1 There is tons of playstation games coming out -- does that mean any
> are worth buying?
Ummm... yes...didn't you read what he posted? There's so many coming out
worth getting that it's hard to keep up. Take me for example, I've gotten
F1, Andretti, WOXL, DD2, Soviet Strike... all in a matter of about 2
months... And there's more games that I want, particularly Tomb Raider...
>
> #2 Legacy of Kain has gotten reviews not as good as legend of Oasis
Never trust reviews...play the games for *yourself* to decide on a game's
quality.
>
> #3 Why are you so biased .. sega is just a major video game company ..
> do you work for sony (if so I could understand why) or do you want to?
I don't know about you, but I'm biased to having fun...and that's exactly
what my PSX gives me thank you very much. I also have an N64, but i
haven't gotten anything after mario. I'm not a fan of MK or KI, and I think
i'll rent SOTE, my friend has waverace...that just didn't WOW me as much as
the magazines had hyped it up to be.
>
> #4 Why aren't you playing your playstation instead of posting
> countless messages in the newsgroup if its so damn cool.
People do have other things to do in life... you can't play videogames 24
hrs a day... my eyes hurt after a long session...
> -----------------------------------
> Anthony Kanner
> kan...@pacificnet.net
> http://www.pacificnet.net/~kanner/
> -----------------------------------
Mitch H.
Chris
Some1 wrote:
>
> You know, if Nintendo offered 3 free games with N64, it would sell way more
> than Saturn. At least if Nintendo could MAKE the things.... after all N64
> Morning America's "most wanted christmas product" and my local news' "most
> wanted toy in Omaha"
> --
> Some1
> bre...@shenessex.heartland.net
> http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/9758
>
> Jeffrey John Hemenway <jjhe...@engr.ucdavis.edu> wrote in article
> <32A6156B...@engr.ucdavis.edu>...
> > Siegfried wrote:
> > >
> > > ana...@nntp.best.com (Fires long since burned out) wrote:
> > > >jim schaefer (min...@wwa.com) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >: > Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > >: but both are eating nintendo's
> > > >But not for much longer if Nintendo doesn't start getting the games
> > > >out. Yes it has some good games. But it also has MK Trilogy and
> > > >Killer Instinct Gold. Also, a total of, what, 6 games now, 7 games?
> > > >is not nearly enough to warrant the $200 price tag. Mario is not
> > > >that good. Unfortunately, neither is Shadows of the Empire.
> > >
> > > ..and you're not that good at pretending not to be a lousy Nintendo
> > > basher...
> >
> > So a Nintendo basher is one who admits that Nintendo's line-up thus far
> > is far from stellar? Well, then I guess that makes me one too. Too
> > bad, I liked my Nintendo 64... :)
> >
> > Jeff
> >
I would buy the N64, if not for its price tag. The N64 is truly a rich
man's toy. Unless Nintendo lowers the price, don't expect more people to
buy it.
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On Tue, 03 Dec 1996 22:42:35 -0800, Nobody's Perfect
<nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>http://www.next-generation.com/news/120496a.shtml
>
> Saturn Sales Rocket
>
>Sega's three-pack promotion has forced a huge boost for Saturn sales.
>
>
>
> The company and associated retailers are reporting a sales
> increase of 500 percent over the Thanksgiving weekend. For the
> first time since the arrival of PlayStation, the machine is rivaling
> its nemesis at retail.
>
> Sega says that since the three-game promotion began on
> November 18, sales of Saturn have topped 400,000. Software
> sales are up 400 percent.
>
> Saturn sales equaled or beat the competition nationwide at most
> of our top retail accounts," said Sega's US vice president Ted
> Hoff. "Sega is delivering."
>
>
> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per week!!!!!!!
> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Saturns in
> the US.
>
> Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
Who cares!!!!!!!!!!
DarqueStorm
I didnt like Madden on either system, but I did feel it was better on the
PSX. I liked gameday and gamebreakers and Sega's NFL 97 sux, IMHO. Yes I do
like fighting games (and I will miss Night Warriors), but I perfer Tekken,
Tekken2, and Tobal No.1 over VF2 and Fighting Vipers. I felt the sound and
the way you float in the air in VF2 annoyed me, but thats another story. As
for rpg's, as I stated only legend of oasis was any good, and dark saviour
is getting ripped and dragon force has been delayed for how many months?
While the psx doesnt have a ton of rpgs, it does have KF, KF2 and LOK which
are good and Suikoden and Persona are coming out this month. So that in
itself gives the psx the edge in rpg's IMO. As of right now, why should I
support Sega when there have been so many great psx games coming out and
hardly any quality saturn ones (excluding VO) ??? My saturn just took up
space, so I sold it to get some more games for my psx (tomb raider, TM2,
jet moto) and put the rest of the money in the bank, to me it was a good
choice to make. And one more point, was is the sound so bad in the Saturn?
serious question...
Anthony Kanner <kann...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
> football quality games: MADDEN 97
> Next year lunar 1-3 will be released on saturn and .. a lot of people
> consider the lunar series to be the best rpg series ever
>
> What kind of quality software are you looking for?
> Fighting..sports....what!?
>
>
>
DarqueStorm
Anthony Kanner <kann...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
> #1 There is tons of playstation games coming out -- does that mean any
> are worth buying?
Yes it does, Jet moto, Tomb Raider, Twisted Metal 2, Tobal No. 1, In the
Zone2 and even Live 97, Pandemonium, Wipeout XL, Gameday 97 (if you like
Gamebreakers), LOK, Suikoden, etc, these are all good and I know i left
some out.
> #2 Legacy of Kain has gotten reviews not as good as legend of Oasis
Yes I liked Oasis, but thats the only rpg that is any good for saturn,
Mysteria and Shining Wisdom sucked, IMHO
> #3 Why are you so biased .. sega is just a major video game company ..
> do you work for sony (if so I could understand why) or do you want to?
What the hell, bias, I owned a Saturn for a year, so how can you call that
bias. It doesnt have as many great games as the psx, IMHO, 3rd party
support has been lacking, and lets face it, the sound on the saturn just
sux.
> #4 Why aren't you playing your playstation instead of posting
> countless messages in the newsgroup if its so damn cool.
Because I like to see reviews on games and upcoming titles, why arent you
playing your Saturn?
Yoonjoon Lee
Guys, guys. When the deal is too good (like the case of this saturn
deal), you must be aware that something will be happened soon for that.
Since the marketting peoples are not idiots and our lives are not too
good to be true, those too-good things usually comes with too-bad
things. Who knows, those rumors (this being liqudation sales) about
sega may be right...
Yoonjoon
Rob Merritt
gmar...@primenet.com wrote:
>That may well end up being true, but the N64 games are currently
>outselling nearly every other game out there, even though they are
>more expensive.
Where did you hear that? I know Mario is a sell out but most other
titles are doing only average. One place I know have only sold 15
copies of Killer Instict Gold since it came out (and yes they have
more than 15 copies) but they sold 27 copies of GameDay on its first
day of release.
Rob Merritt
Might and Magic lives at http://www.jagunet.com/~robertm/homm.html
"If you got to have delusions, you might as well have the really satisfying ones.", Marcus - Babylon 5
Rob Merritt
"DarqueStorm" <dst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>choice to make. And one more point, was is the sound so bad in the Saturn?
>serious question...
>
My guess is that the sound recording equipment that comes with Sega's
development kits are poor quality. There have been good sounding
Saturn games, but not very often.
Mark Tseytlin
In <32A983...@cyberway.com.sg> Chris <cali...@cyberway.com.sg>
writes:
don't you mean a rich CHILD's toy?
MISHA
gmar...@primenet.com
On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 16:48:42 GMT, rob...@jagunet.com (Rob Merritt)
wrote:
>gmar...@primenet.com wrote:
>>That may well end up being true, but the N64 games are currently
>>outselling nearly every other game out there, even though they are
>>more expensive.
>Where did you hear that? I know Mario is a sell out but most other
>titles are doing only average.
I retract my earlier statement. I should have said that some N64
games are in that category. Whether the price of N64 games is a
significant factor in sales remains to be seen.
Eddie Chan
Chris wrote:
>
>
> > >
> I would buy the N64, if not for its price tag. The N64 is truly a rich
> man's toy. Unless Nintendo lowers the price, don't expect more people to
> buy it.
>
>
What's wrong w/ the N64 price tag? The last I look, it was the *SAME*
as the Sony and the Saturn's...Also, the N64 is not a "Rich Man's Toy."
I'm not saying that it is affordable for everyone...but if you think of
all the hard work and ideas that went into a N64, the $ 199 for
admission is definitely worth every penny!!
Shadow
In article <32AB81...@ix.netcom.com>, Eddie Chan <Edc...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
> Chris wrote:
> What's wrong w/ the N64 price tag? The last I look, it was the *SAME*
> as the Sony and the Saturn's...Also, the N64 is not a "Rich Man's Toy."
> I'm not saying that it is affordable for everyone...but if you think of
> all the hard work and ideas that went into a N64, the $ 199 for
> admission is definitely worth every penny!!
I beleive people are talking about the price of everything.....70 dollar
games. And everything will be more than the PSX or Saturn. Plus if you
want games like Zelda64, you have to dish out another 200 dollars for the
64DD.
SHadow
voy...@bellsouth.net
Mark Tseytlin wrote:
>
> In <32A983...@cyberway.com.sg> Chris <cali...@cyberway.com.sg>
> writes:
> >
> >Some1 wrote:
> >>
> >> You know, if Nintendo offered 3 free games with N64, it would sell
> way more
> >> than Saturn.
If the N64 did give away 3 free games, there would be no other games to
buy.
terrell gibbs
In article <32AAE8...@aicom.com>, yoon...@aicom.com wrote:
: Guys, guys. When the deal is too good (like the case of this saturn
In what way is the deal "too good?" As publisher of VF2, VC, and Daytona,
Sega is in a unique position to add value to the Saturn. The buyer gets 3
top arcade games, and it costs Sega very little, because these older games
are no longer hot sellers. I'm sure that Sony and Nintendo would do the
same if they could. It's just good business to offer the consumer the best
economically feasible package for his money.
Hanson
tgi...@acs.bu.edu (terrell gibbs) wrote:
It's a great deal, don't get me wrong. But it sniffs of desperation,
and only cements further the idea that the Saturn is in deep trouble.
The deal is "too good" in that no healthy company or division would
engineer a last ditch effort like this. (Insert analogy here).
Hanson
"My neck feels like one gargantuan monkey fist!"
- J. Peterman
Dale Brouwer
MASHOOD KHAN wrote:
> That would be just great wouldn't it ? Everbody owning one
> system. Hey that would mean that Sony could release any old crap, and
> people would have to buy it. Third parties would have to agree with
> the terms dictated by the Sony, which would mean they would be less
> inclined to create really good software. But a least there wouldn't be
> any system wars ; )
Of the three systems releasing tired rehash, Sony is by far the least
guilty culprit.
Hanson
Dale Brouwer <dbro...@delcen.com> wrote:
??? Destruction Derby 2? Tekken 2? Wipeout XL? Twisted Metal 2?
No one is immune to sequelitis.
Mark Tseytlin
In <32AB81...@ix.netcom.com> Eddie Chan <Edc...@ix.netcom.com>
writes:
>Chris wrote:
>>
>>
>> > >
>> I would buy the N64, if not for its price tag. The N64 is truly a
rich
>> man's toy. Unless Nintendo lowers the price, don't expect more
people to
>> buy it.
>> --
>>
>>
*SAME*
>as the Sony and the Saturn's...Also, the N64 is not a "Rich Man's
Toy."
>I'm not saying that it is affordable for everyone...but if you think
of
>all the hard work and ideas that went into a N64, the $ 199 for
>admission is definitely worth every penny!!
try 75 bucks for crap like MKT and KI2 and Crusin USA!
MISHA
Dan Dunham
> It's a great deal, don't get me wrong. But it sniffs of desperation,
> and only cements further the idea that the Saturn is in deep trouble.
> The deal is "too good" in that no healthy company or division would
> engineer a last ditch effort like this. (Insert analogy here).
Desperation? I don't really think so. After all, what better way to hype
publicity for sequels, which *all* three of the games will have in the
coming months. IE - they would barely be selling any of those three games,
and people would be wanting the sequels. I think it's actually a pretty
intelligent move.
- crow - cr...@phonet.com
Rob Merritt
Eddie Chan <Edc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Chris wrote:
>>
>>
>> > >
>> I would buy the N64, if not for its price tag. The N64 is truly a rich
>> man's toy. Unless Nintendo lowers the price, don't expect more people to
>> buy it.
>> --
>>
>>
> What's wrong w/ the N64 price tag? The last I look, it was the *SAME*
>as the Sony and the Saturn's...Also, the N64 is not a "Rich Man's Toy."
>I'm not saying that it is affordable for everyone...but if you think of
>all the hard work and ideas that went into a N64, the $ 199 for
>admission is definitely worth every penny!!
Your right. The system IS reasonable priced. The games, AREN'T.
Che Lailc
developers don't get enough of money developing on the consoles.
It really stinks , but the fucking PC will take over!
Sad but true!
John Yeman
Jody made a few colorful comments that adolescents tend to make when
misinformed. Software sales most definitely DO NOT include pack-ins.
The reason that the software sales are so much higher for saturn is
obviously because of the spectacular lineup that Sega has put out
recently. Games like Fighting Vipers, Virtual ON, NiGHTS, Daytona CCE,
Sonic 3D Blast, Worldwide Soccer '97, World Series Baseball 2,
Decathlon, Virtua Cop 2 and others are all EXCLUSIVE to Saturn, and are
most definitely NOT "$hit" as Jody says. Second, who the hell would call
the system that provided what is widely regarded throughout the gaming
press as the best arcade to home translation in history (namely VF2)
"disappointing." Calling someone a "$hit-for-brains doughboy" should be
reserved for someone like Kruschev or Hitler (or the person responsible
for manufacturing PSX's that have to be turned upside down to work
properly).
Clearly that Saturn is a very good system and on par with the PSX in
terms of the number of quality games. Oh, and by the way, all the sales
people in my area are pushing saturns over the PSX for three reasons: 1)
PSX defective returns (they had 5 returned last week due to skipping!),
2) Pack-ins, 3) Great lineup of exclusive games (this came from several
EB and Babbages employees who offered up these reasons when asked what
system to buy). Parents who can't afford computers also seem to be
warming up to the idea of using the Saturn as a cheap way to access the
internet (it gives them something to do with their investment as well).
Jody clearly was going for shock value and succeeded, and will no doubt
respond to this letter with more vulgarities and statements like "Saturn
sucks" without having ever played the new games and for this, I fell
sorry for him/her since this tunnel vision attitude will result in
missing out on some excellent, first class games.
The PSX is a great system, but to say that the saturn is "$hit" surely
is unfair and clearly a biased statement. Now, where is Crash 2?! (I
don't care what people say, Crash roolz!)
Charles Miller
John Yeman <Gul_...@bbs.cowland.com> wrote in article
<32ACFA...@bbs.cowland.com>...
> Jody made a few colorful comments that adolescents tend to make when
> misinformed. Software sales most definitely DO NOT include pack-ins.
> The reason that the software sales are so much higher for saturn is
> obviously because of the spectacular lineup that Sega has put out
> recently. Games like Fighting Vipers, Virtual ON, NiGHTS, Daytona CCE,
> Sonic 3D Blast, Worldwide Soccer '97, World Series Baseball 2,
> Decathlon, Virtua Cop 2 and others are all EXCLUSIVE to Saturn, and are
> most definitely NOT "$hit" as Jody says.
So now you are the judge of what Jody can like and dislike? Quite an ego
you have there.
> Second, who the hell would call
> the system that provided what is widely regarded throughout the gaming
> press as the best arcade to home translation in history (namely VF2)
> "disappointing."
I guess me Skippy. VF2 is the "best arcade to home translation in
history"??? That's RIPE. The backgrounds were degraded. The sound was
degraded. etc. etc. I say that most likely Pac-Man was the best
translation... if not the Namco GH and WAGH come in WAY before VF2 does.
Great game and all, but best translation it is NOT.
> Calling someone a "$hit-for-brains doughboy" should be
> reserved for someone like Kruschev or Hitler (or the person responsible
> for manufacturing PSX's that have to be turned upside down to work
> properly).
Oh, that's ripe. Maybe we should include the person who thought that there
was enough sound ram in the Saturn. What goes around comes around.
Neither system sucks.
>
> Clearly that Saturn is a very good system and on par with the PSX in
> terms of the number of quality games. Oh, and by the way, all the sales
> people in my area are pushing saturns over the PSX for three reasons: 1)
> PSX defective returns (they had 5 returned last week due to skipping!),
> 2) Pack-ins, 3) Great lineup of exclusive games (this came from several
> EB and Babbages employees who offered up these reasons when asked what
> system to buy).
RIPE! EB and Babbages employees! Just the guys to ask. I'll give you
THREE just as stupid meaningless reasons as the ones you gave us to get the
PSX.
1) In PRACTICE better sound and graphics.
2) Better Third party support.
3) BETTER line up of PSX exclusive games from more than just the first
party.
Now what does this mean? Jean-Shit. Not a DAMN THING. Just that stupid
reasons are abundant.
> Parents who can't afford computers also seem to be
> warming up to the idea of using the Saturn as a cheap way to access the
> internet (it gives them something to do with their investment as well).
Yep, as long as they like the Sega sites and what not. Not a bad Idea
really....
>
> Jody clearly was going for shock value and succeeded, and will no doubt
> respond to this letter with more vulgarities and statements like "Saturn
> sucks" without having ever played the new games and for this, I fell
> sorry for him/her since this tunnel vision attitude will result in
> missing out on some excellent, first class games.
Most likely. Then again that is right of opinion.
>
> The PSX is a great system, but to say that the saturn is "$hit" surely
> is unfair and clearly a biased statement. Now, where is Crash 2?! (I
> don't care what people say, Crash roolz!)
>
Not shit as far as I'm concerned. Not a wasted investment by any means.
terrell gibbs
In article <01bbe67d$699fc740$bdcaae80@revelations>, "Charles Miller"
<cwmi...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
:I guess me Skippy. VF2 is the "best arcade to home translation in
:history"??? That's RIPE. The backgrounds were degraded. The sound was
:degraded. etc. etc. I say that most likely Pac-Man was the best
:translation... if not the Namco GH and WAGH come in WAY before VF2 does.
:Great game and all, but best translation it is NOT.
Considering that the arcade VF2 runs on hardware far more powerful than any
home system, it is remarkable indeed that Sega was able to port it over
with the frame rate and game play intact, at higher screen resolution than
any other home fighting game, making only minor sacrifices in sound (which
for most consumers is limited by the TV's dinky speaker. In advance, nobody
expected the port to be so close to the arcade, so I think that the many
reviewers who have proclaimed it as the best home translation ever have a
good point.
Adam Hendershot
terrell gibbs wrote:
> Considering that the arcade VF2 runs on hardware far more powerful than any
> home system, it is remarkable indeed that Sega was able to port it over
> with the frame rate and game play intact, at higher screen resolution than
> any other home fighting game,
When you take into consideration overscan, Tobal No. 1 has roughly the
same resolution. :)
> making only minor sacrifices in sound (which
> for most consumers is limited by the TV's dinky speaker.
Let's face it, the sound is hideous. I returned it because of the
sound (my system consists of "lower-end hi-fi" seperates from Marantz
and SonyES and NHT speakers with a Velodyne sub)0. Ma Bell has a better
sampling rate. :>
> In advance, nobody
> expected the port to be so close to the arcade, so I think that the many
> reviewers who have proclaimed it as the best home translation ever have a
> good point.
I also think the game is showing its age, though. I remember being
impressed about a year ago, so when the 3-game deal popped up and
included VF2 (the only game I really wanted to play on the Saturn), I
jumped on it. It went back to the store several hours later. Call me
superficial, but I couldn't get over the audio. There's also polygon
glitches in characters, and moire patterns all over the floors of the
arenas (those that have checkerboard-esque patterns on them). I'll give
it the edge in sheer number of moves, but I didn't enjoy playing it in
the slightest.
All-in-all, I think I would have kept it if I didn't have Tobal.
Adam
David Christopher Asher
In each case, the sequel you mentioned is SUPERIOR to the original
(except maybe DD2 'cause they dumped LINK support). Not to mention
they're ALL great games.
The point is, PSX has a wider variety of games than Saturn or N64, and
there's no sign of that changing. Sure, you get 10 games that are very
much alike, but maybe...
You don't like RR, RRR, Road Rash, WO, WOXL, 1, Andretti, Choro-Q, MTGP,
MTGP2, or Rage Racer. Well, hell--there it is, racing on JET BIKES.
N64: Waverace and Cruisin64 (soon) (BTW saw Cruisin--it sux)
Don't like VF2 or Tekken series? Play BAT, BAT2, Star Gladiator, Soul
Edge (soon), Tobal#1, Ranma 1/2, Megatudo 2096, or Iron+Blood.
No 3D fighters on N64. SS has VF, VF2, FV, BATR (any others?)
2D fighters more your style? SS and PSX both have SFA, SFA2,
Darkstalkers, and some MK game. PSX has more, such as DragonBallZ UB22
and Asuka Burning Fest 120%. SS has _better_ versions in most cases.
N64 has MKT and KI Gold.
Yes, genre-glut is a bad thing (seems like most of the games out for the
32-bitters are fighting, racing, or DOOM clones), but it's good to have
a variety of titles in a Genre. I like racing games, and I really would
like to have WaveRace, but I'm not gonna plunk down $300 to play it.
There's been talk of "quality vs. quantity", and I agree, crap games
shouldn't count toward how many titles you can brag for your system.
But the N64 right now has only 3-4 good titles (M64, WR, and WG3DH), and
an equal or greater number of lousy ones (PW64, KIGold, MKT, Cruisin64).
No comment on SW: SOTE because I have seen it.
Nintendo better start practicing what its preaching. (quality) At least
on the PSX (or saturn even) we can usually pick and choose from three or
more good titles in a perticular genre and lost the bad ones).
--
David Christopher Asher Publications Coordinator, OTAKON
1997
OTAKON 1997: Convention of Otaku Generation
August 8-9-10, 1997 at Marriott's Hunt Valley Inn, Baltimore, Maryland
http://www.otakon.com for more info
Jeremy Rutz
In article <32AD93...@ids.net>, ada...@ids.net wrote:
>terrell gibbs wrote:
>> Considering that the arcade VF2 runs on hardware far more powerful than any
>> home system, it is remarkable indeed that Sega was able to port it over
>> with the frame rate and game play intact, at higher screen resolution than
>> any other home fighting game,
>
> When you take into consideration overscan, Tobal No. 1 has roughly the
>same resolution. :)
>
the Saturn can. :) (bigger grin)
-------------------------------------
Jeremy Rutz
jer...@suba.com
Fires long since burned out Nothing left but ash
terrell gibbs (tgi...@bu.edu) wrote:
: In article <01bbe67d$699fc740$bdcaae80@revelations>, "Charles Miller"
: <cwmi...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
: :I guess me Skippy. VF2 is the "best arcade to home translation in
: :history"??? That's RIPE. The backgrounds were degraded. The sound was
: :degraded. etc. etc. I say that most likely Pac-Man was the best
: :translation... if not the Namco GH and WAGH come in WAY before VF2 does.
: :Great game and all, but best translation it is NOT.
: Considering that the arcade VF2 runs on hardware far more powerful than any
: home system, it is remarkable indeed that Sega was able to port it over
: with the frame rate and game play intact, at higher screen resolution than
: any other home fighting game, making only minor sacrifices in sound (which
: for most consumers is limited by the TV's dinky speaker. In advance, nobody
: expected the port to be so close to the arcade, so I think that the many
: reviewers who have proclaimed it as the best home translation ever have a
: good point.
I hate to mention this, but Tobal No. 1 runs in higher resolution than Saturn
VF2.
Harley Davidson
ari...@pain.net
Hanson
David Christopher Asher <tsu...@csrlink.net> wrote:
>Hanson wrote:
>>
>> Dale Brouwer <dbro...@delcen.com> wrote:
>>
>> >MASHOOD KHAN wrote:
>> >Of the three systems releasing tired rehash, Sony is by far the least
>> >guilty culprit.
>>
>> ??? Destruction Derby 2? Tekken 2? Wipeout XL? Twisted Metal 2?
>> No one is immune to sequelitis.
>
>In each case, the sequel you mentioned is SUPERIOR to the original
>(except maybe DD2 'cause they dumped LINK support). Not to mention
>they're ALL great games.
I didn't comment on the quality -- I was merely pointing out that
Nintendo and Sega do not have the exclusive rights to making sequels.
<snip>
>There's been talk of "quality vs. quantity", and I agree, crap games
>shouldn't count toward how many titles you can brag for your system.
>But the N64 right now has only 3-4 good titles (M64, WR, and WG3DH), and
>an equal or greater number of lousy ones (PW64, KIGold, MKT, Cruisin64).
>No comment on SW: SOTE because I have seen it.
KI Gold is a great game. It's detractors just don't like it and
refuse to actually try it out. PW64 is a quality title, but not to my
tastes, I admit. But I wouldn't call it lousy. I haven't seen CUSA,
but I gree that MKT is just crap. But then, I found MK3 to be a step
backwards from MK2 anyway. Hell, MK is better than MKT or MK3 IMO.
>Nintendo better start practicing what its preaching. (quality) At least
>on the PSX (or saturn even) we can usually pick and choose from three or
>more good titles in a perticular genre and lost the bad ones).
*Now* you can, after being out over a year in the US. For some
reason, there are people who refuse to take this as a real issue and
offer blanket statements about the lack of variety in N64 games
without qualification.
Adam Hendershot
Jeremy Rutz wrote:
> >
> > When you take into consideration overscan, Tobal No. 1 has roughly the
> >same resolution. :)
> >
> That's impossible, since the Playstation cannot acheive the highest resolution
> the Saturn can. :) (bigger grin)
It doesn't really have to. The Saturn's highest resolution mode is
720x486 (or something close to that). The PlayStation's is 640x480.
However, the PSX doesn't bother to try to fill the horizontal overscan
of most TV screens (anybody who has a TV that overscans less than 5% on
the sides sees the edge of the PlayStation's screen). The extra vertical
res on the Saturn is wasted in overscan on most TVs.
So, effectively Tobal and VF2 have the same on screen resolution (or
as close as it makes no difference).
Adam
Dale Brouwer
> >Of the three systems releasing tired rehash, Sony is by far the
> >least guilty culprit.
> ??? Destruction Derby 2? Tekken 2? Wipeout XL? Twisted Metal 2?
> No one is immune to sequelitis.
I'm not talking about that. I mean rehashing old 8 & 16-bit games as
new 32/64-bit games.
N64: Mario 64, PilotWings 64, Mortal Kombat Trilogy,
Killer Instinct Gold, Cruisin USA 64
All rehash. Most of what's still coming: Metroid 64, Zelda 64,
Yoshi 64, Mario Kart 64 etc.
Aside from WaveRace, where some new original games?
Can Nintendo stop releasing the same titles again and again on different
systems?
But the point as you saw it is even more valid in Sony's favor.
Hanson
Dale Brouwer <dbro...@delcen.com> wrote:
>Hanson wrote:
>> Dale Brouwer <dbro...@delcen.com> wrote:
>
>> >Of the three systems releasing tired rehash, Sony is by far the
>> >least guilty culprit.
>
>> ??? Destruction Derby 2? Tekken 2? Wipeout XL? Twisted Metal 2?
>> No one is immune to sequelitis.
>
>I'm not talking about that. I mean rehashing old 8 & 16-bit games as
>new 32/64-bit games.
I don't see the difference in recycling 8-bit or 16-bit titles and
recycling 32-bit titles.
>N64: Mario 64, PilotWings 64, Mortal Kombat Trilogy,
> Killer Instinct Gold, Cruisin USA 64
>
>All rehash. Most of what's still coming: Metroid 64, Zelda 64,
> Yoshi 64, Mario Kart 64 etc.
And how is Mario 64 just a "rehash" of any Mario game? The engine is
completely different and the gameplay has changed as well. And KI
Gold is not only a changed game from KI, but it is a bigger leap from
KI on the SNES than Tekken 1 to Tekken 2. How is Cruisn USA a rehash
of an 8-bit or 16-bit game considering there was no precursor? Just
because you share a title doesn't mean it's a rehash -- otherwise,
what about the plethora of sequels on the PSX including the upcoming
RE2? Will Madden 97 on the N64 be rehash of Madden on the SNES?
None of this makes any sense.
>Aside from WaveRace, where some new original games?
Wave Race actually came out on GameBoy. Therefore, is it a rehash as
well?
>Can Nintendo stop releasing the same titles again and again on different
>systems?
>But the point as you saw it is even more valid in Sony's favor.
No it isn't. The difference between the N64 sequels and the current
sequels on the PSX are much greater. Only a fool thinks Mario 64 is
just a rehash of SMW or SMB.
Chad Thomas Gurney
>
>
> Wow!!!!! 400,000 Saturns in two weeks????????That is 200,000 Saturns per w
> With 3 more weeks to go until X-mas, Sega can sell at least 600,000 more Sa
> the US.
>
> Finally, Sony is eating Sega's dust!!!!!!!!!
Ye but after those 3 games theirs umm.. nights.. and umm well no other
great games to play.. so basicly they will sell saturns but then not
make jack in software cause theirs not many good games. Their is also
the false advertising that saturn is the ultimate machine for sports
>cough< bullshit >cough< Playstation kicks its ass in sports.. Andrette
Racing, F1, Gameday 97, Faceoff 97, Triple play 97 (not great but
better then any saturn baseball games.. cept maybe world series)
peace out
-Chad
Jeremy Rutz
Sega lacks in three departments: Basketball, Football, and Auto Racing.
Although Basketball only suffers from poor graphics, the gameplay is still
spot on (which usually counts for something, right?). Personally, I think the
next generation NBA Action will be great if and only if they improve on the
graphics and camera angles. What would be really nice is if they would add
stadium-specific opening intros for the home team...
Football is lacking only because it doesn't have a good Sega-made product; the
only decent one is Madden '97, an admirable opponent for Gameday '97. Although
Gameday maybe better, Madden certainly is no slouch.
Auto Racing? What? From the company who brought you Daytona and Sega Rally?
Well, those are great arcade racers (the BEST, IMO), they have no racing sims.
PSX has Andretti, NASCAR, and F1. Saturn has F1 Live Information, but that's a
bit shallow IMO.
Soccer and Baseball on Saturn both put any PSX game of the same sport to
shame.
Saturn may not be the leader in sports games like they advertise, but they are
much closer now to Sony than they were a year ago.
-------------------------------------
Jeremy Rutz
jer...@suba.com
Dale Brouwer
Hanson wrote:
> *Now* you can, after being out over a year in the US. For some
> reason, there are people who refuse to take this as a real issue and
> offer blanket statements about the lack of variety in N64 games
> without qualification.
Except by the time N64 gets ten games, the PSX will have had fifty. By
the time N64 gets fifty games, the PSX will have gottn 250-300.
By the time the N64 will get 250 (oh wait a minute, that probably won't
happen in our lifetime).
The counterargument that the N64 hasn't had time yet is crap. The PSX
had ten games on release day, the N64 has eight after 2.5 months.
You can attribute most of this to Nintendo's insane policies with 3rd
parties and in particular the cartridge format. Without the Nintendo
name, and the Nintendo marketing machine that generated all the baseless
hype, the N64 would be the next 3D0. But it won't be, simply because
it's Nintendo. But next time, Nintendo won't be able to get away with
this kind of crap.
Dale Brouwer
Hanson wrote:
> And how is Mario 64 just a "rehash" of any Mario game? The engine is
> completely different and the gameplay has changed as well. And KI
> Gold is not only a changed game from KI, but it is a bigger leap from
> KI on the SNES than Tekken 1 to Tekken 2. How is Cruisn USA a rehash
> of an 8-bit or 16-bit game considering there was no precursor? Just
> because you share a title doesn't mean it's a rehash -- otherwise,
> what about the plethora of sequels on the PSX including the upcoming
> RE2? Will Madden 97 on the N64 be rehash of Madden on the SNES?
> None of this makes any sense.
I'm saying that practically all the new games coming out on this system
are based in their entirety on old, worn ideas.
When is the Nintendo going to release a NEW game. A game they haven't
released before in some shape or form.
And when I use the word rehash, I'm not insisting that the end result is
garbage. Just like when you can retread a tire and still get some
useful life out of it.
> >Aside from WaveRace, where some new original games?
>
> Wave Race actually came out on GameBoy. Therefore, is it a rehash as
> well?
Didn't know that. Change my "practically all" to all then.
> >Can Nintendo stop releasing the same titles again and again on
> >different systems?
>
> >But the point as you saw it is even more valid in Sony's favor.
>
> No it isn't. The difference between the N64 sequels and the current
> sequels on the PSX are much greater. Only a fool thinks Mario 64 is
> just a rehash of SMW or SMB.
Let's see. Mario runs around in 2D -> Mario runs around in 3D.
Hardly a mindblowing idea.
(I'm curious if SM64 used one color vector graphics with the same
gameplay would anybody want it. I'd say no)