Turok 2: Not looking to good.
Bomb2Moss
graphics where generic graphics with details added, but I can almost gurantee
by release it will be a great game.Also with the memory expansion coming out it
will make the graphics even better.
BLew
tcclee
and in High-Res, its gonna kick some major dinasouar booty.
Falco
Alexander Schaewe
Turok2 was known to the public when this demo was made.
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Harry Payratesteys
graphics. Is that all that matters to you? Jeez, at least say something
about the GAMEPLAY!
HP
N64Fan
Brian Scanlon
is not, and would use the RAM PAK, which it does not. So, basically, the
demo was a big waste of time and money, and accomplished almost nothing since
it had no or very few of the features that will be in the final version.
Hardset Head
: Actually you're wrong. It is the final version.
:
It's been pretty well established it's the alpha version, so...they're
right. As for the RAM pak statements, though, I don't see how even if it
was the final version it would run in hi-res since the RAM pak isn't out
yet. Anyway...it seems plainly obviously Acclaim took an early version of
the game (before gore was included) and decided to use it as a demo
because it would be "cleaner", but in doing so used a horribly backwards
version. I wonder what Iguana thinks about it.
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Nope...you're wrong. We had this discussion about a month ago. It is the
early version!
Castellan
>Actually you're wrong. It is the final version.
Yeah, Wal-Mart and Best Buy have demos of Turok 2, and,
while they look cleaner than the old Toys R Us demo, the game
still looks choppy and rather boring.
I think I'll definitely wait for Perfect Dark.
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enz...@my-dejanews.com
>Wal-Mart and Best Buy have demos of Turok 2, and,
> while they look cleaner than the old Toys R Us demo, the game
> still looks choppy and rather boring.
>
> I think I'll definitely wait for Perfect Dark.
There you have it folks, T2 is "choppy and rather boring". My boy Castellan
says so, therefore it's gotta be true. I've prepaid for the game, but I'm
going to march into Software ETC. and demand my money back. You should
too...Castellan says it won't be worth it. HE'S LOGICAL and correctly "lays
it on the line" every single time.
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N64Fan
> Actually, no it isn't. If it were, it would be in high resolution, which it
> is not, and would use the RAM PAK, which it does not.
That's cause there's no RAM PAK available yet.
N64Fan
> Nope...you're wrong. We had this discussion about a month ago. It is the
> early version!
Nope, I tried the final version at the shareholder meeting, what you see in
the Turok 2 in stores right now is exactly what you will see in the final
version. The boys at Iguana are swamped. Too many games and deadlines, not
enough time. Turok 2 is in danger of missing AKLM's Q1 which ends at the end
of November. You won't see any changes or fixes in the framerate for Turok 2
because most of the effort now is trying to get South Park out on time for
Christmas. The framerate in the multiplayer mode is even worse that what you
see in the 1 player mode.
tbr...@trinity.edu
douglasBE...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Castellan) wrote:
> N64Fan <N64...@VGames.com> writes:
>
> >Actually you're wrong. It is the final version.
>
> while they look cleaner than the old Toys R Us demo, the game
> still looks choppy and rather boring.
Choppy? I don't know how the game performs Ram Pak-less, but there don't seem
to be many complaints WITH the pack in there.
As for boring, well, I'll wait for the final version.
> I think I'll definitely wait for Perfect Dark.
I will, too, but I'll still make time for T2. It should help pass the time.
Terrence Briggs
Brian Scanlon
silk, but it won't be very bad either. Incidentally, it has been confirmed by
reliable sources that it was the pre-pre-release. Incidentally, I really doubt
that Acclaim would be swamped by other things that would interfere with their
STAR TITLE of the year...
N64Fan
> Yeah, we believe that... <G> I doubt that the frame rate will be smooth as
> silk, but it won't be very bad either. Incidentally, it has been confirmed by
> reliable sources that it was the pre-pre-release. Incidentally, I really doubt
> that Acclaim would be swamped by other things that would interfere with their
> STAR TITLE of the year...
Iguana is swamped with QBC 99, NBA Jam, and South Park. QBC Jam and Turok have
deadlines for the end of Nov or they will miss acclaim's Q1 revenues. Since Turok 2
is their "star title", quality is not a priority since the hype and recognition
alone will sell it, in fact with acclaim, quality is never a priority, just rushed
products with bad gameplay and tons of glitches, good thing N64 owners will buy
anything with pretty graphics.
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Castellan
>In article <724a0r$rdf$1...@artemis.backbone.ou.edu>,
> douglasBE...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Castellan) wrote:
>> N64Fan <N64...@VGames.com> writes:
>>
>> >Actually you're wrong. It is the final version.
>>
>> Yeah, Wal-Mart and Best Buy have demos of Turok 2, and,
>> while they look cleaner than the old Toys R Us demo, the game
>> still looks choppy and rather boring.
>Choppy? I don't know how the game performs Ram Pak-less, but there don't seem
>to be many complaints WITH the pack in there.
The RAM Pak won't improve frame rates (and may hurt them,
if the game is pushing the N64's max fillrate) unless the non RAM Pak
version is fetching textures of the cart on the fly and not from RAM.
Assuming both versions have the textures in RAM, you won't see an
improvement in frame rate, and, right now, it's definitely running at
15 fps.
>As for boring, well, I'll wait for the final version.
>> I think I'll definitely wait for Perfect Dark.
>I will, too, but I'll still make time for T2. It should help pass the time.
It looks and plays like Quake, only glossier. I've had my fill
of these derivative titles on the PC. Goldeneye actually advanced this
stagnant genre, but Turok 2 is simply a pretty (albeit choppy) step
back. Unless you simply MUST have a new Quake knockoff, I'd recommend
renting first. IMHO.
The flamethrower looks really nice, though. :)
Kyle...just Kyle
enz...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <72712g$9on$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>>Wal-Mart and Best Buy have demos of Turok 2, and,
>> while they look cleaner than the old Toys R Us demo, the game
>> still looks choppy and rather boring.
>>
>
Castellan
>says so, therefore it's gotta be true. I've prepaid for the game, but I'm
>going to march into Software ETC. and demand my money back. You should
>too...Castellan says it won't be worth it. HE'S LOGICAL and correctly "lays
>it on the line" every single time.
You have some sort of obsession with Castellan don't you? That's not good
for your health you know.
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tried to run this line:
>In article <724a0r$rdf$1...@artemis.backbone.ou.edu>,
> douglasBE...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Castellan) wrote:
>> N64Fan <N64...@VGames.com> writes:
>>
>> >Actually you're wrong. It is the final version.
>>
>> Yeah, Wal-Mart and Best Buy have demos of Turok 2, and,
>> while they look cleaner than the old Toys R Us demo, the game
>> still looks choppy and rather boring.
>
>Choppy? I don't know how the game performs Ram Pak-less, but there don't seem
>to be many complaints WITH the pack in there.
So you have to buy the RAM pack to get a decent frame rate?!?!? Come
on now....
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Charles Miller Jr.
>Iguana is swamped with QBC 99, NBA Jam, and South Park. QBC Jam and Turok
have
>deadlines for the end of Nov or they will miss acclaim's Q1 revenues.
I seriously doubt that SP is swamping anyone. :)
Charles Miller Jr.
>enz...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<72712g$9on$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>
>You have some sort of obsession with Castellan don't you?
Me thinks he doesn't know how to accept humility...
>That's not good for your health you know.
Yeah, he should just send him flowers or something.
Charles Miller Jr.
>Yeah, we believe that... <G> I doubt that the frame rate will be smooth as
>silk, but it won't be very bad either. Incidentally, it has been confirmed
by
>reliable sources that it was the pre-pre-release. Incidentally, I really
doubt
>that Acclaim would be swamped by other things that would interfere with
their
>STAR TITLE of the year...
Can something even be a pre-pre-release? :)
Joshua S Redford
released. Someone should lose their job for that mistake.
Joshua S Redford
red...@acsu.buffalo.edu
On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, N64Fan wrote:
> Actually you're wrong. It is the final version.
>
>
Joshua S Redford
> Hitting random keys, "N64Fan" spelled out:
> : Actually you're wrong. It is the final version.
> :
>
> It's been pretty well established it's the alpha version,
So?
so...they're
> right.
Explain to me how it being the alpha version means it is the final
version? (remember I'm no smart, techy guy).
As for the RAM pak statements, though, I don't see how even if it
> was the final version it would run in hi-res since the RAM pak isn't out
> yet.
I can wait until the expansion pak comes out before I pop it in my system.
Josh Redford
SubzeroXLU
level areas...which really REALLY gives me headache. I hope this is not
present in Turok 2.
Brian Scanlon
Brian Scanlon
finished...
Boffy
N64Fan
only after the release of Nintendo's RAM Pak.
enz...@my-dejanews.com
> >You have some sort of obsession with Castellan don't you?
>
> Me thinks he doesn't know how to accept humility...
Huzzah! Are you kidding Chuck? I got dinged so badly I slit my wrists right
after Vinegar and Water decided to ignore me. I'm dictating this to my ER
nurse right now. Nothing worse or more humiliating than someone caving and
putting you on thier killfile! Yeeouch! Which brings me to another
point...what's *your* facination with *me*? Look stupid, I like videogames,
but that's all we have in common. I'm not interested in germinating some kind
of internet relationship with you. This is the only conclusion I can draw
since I can't recall ever asking for anything from you, yet you continue to
pursue me. Are you pursuing me, Chuck? I can't fathom why you continue to
reply to postings that have nothing - zero, na-da, zilch - to do with you.
Are you attracted to me somehow? Do you like my attention? Are you
hungry..needy for a man's attention? Well, feast on this..I enjoy poking
that Castellan douche with a stick becasue he's a thin-skinned, know-it-all
internet ingrate. Who cares if he took all his aggies and went home, that
doesn't mean I have to quit playing and go home too. You don't like my
postings, fine! Ignore me!! Simple, no? You're welcome to continue to seek my
attention, but at least tell me why you need it. Did some abusive step-daddy
leave you when you were young and you're seeking that kind of masculine
attention, now later in life?. That's ok, I have no problem with your
personal hangups and lifestyle choices. Just leave me out of it. Maybe just
explaining your appearant attraction to me may help you understand and break
this nasty habit. PLease, I'm eager to hear your response. LET THE FLAMING
BEGIN!!!!
tbr...@trinity.edu
darie...@hotmailtakethisout.com (Darien Allen) wrote:
> Look, this day Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:00:24 GMT, tbr...@trinity.edu
> tried to run this line:
>
> >In article <724a0r$rdf$1...@artemis.backbone.ou.edu>,
> > douglasBE...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Castellan) wrote:
> >> N64Fan <N64...@VGames.com> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> while they look cleaner than the old Toys R Us demo, the game
> >> still looks choppy and rather boring.
> >
> >Choppy? I don't know how the game performs Ram Pak-less, but there don't seem
> >to be many complaints WITH the pack in there.
>
> So you have to buy the RAM pack to get a decent frame rate?!?!? Come
> on now....
I haven't heard anything about that. All I know is that the game's
performance with the RAM pack is recieving few complaints.
As for DECENT frame rate, we could always argue the difference between
DECENT, PLAYABLE, and Unreal-beating. For me, the game's touted AI is what
interests me.
tbr...@trinity.edu
douglasBE...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Castellan) wrote:
> tbr...@trinity.edu writes:
>
> >In article <724a0r$rdf$1...@artemis.backbone.ou.edu>,
> > douglasBE...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Castellan) wrote:
> >> N64Fan <N64...@VGames.com> writes:
> >>
> >> >Actually you're wrong. It is the final version.
> >>
> >> Yeah, Wal-Mart and Best Buy have demos of Turok 2, and,
> >> while they look cleaner than the old Toys R Us demo, the game
> >> still looks choppy and rather boring.
>
> >Choppy? I don't know how the game performs Ram Pak-less, but there don't seem
> >to be many complaints WITH the pack in there.
>
> if the game is pushing the N64's max fillrate) unless the non RAM Pak
> version is fetching textures of the cart on the fly and not from RAM.
> Assuming both versions have the textures in RAM, you won't see an
> improvement in frame rate, and, right now, it's definitely running at
> 15 fps.
When Next-Gen mentioned the graphics, it referred to the game's performance
with the RAM pack. A game with a frame rate lower than Goldeneye's 20 FPS
would go noticed by them, wouldn't it.
And hit-and-run anti-IGN comments don't count <g>.
> >As for boring, well, I'll wait for the final version.
>
> >> I think I'll definitely wait for Perfect Dark.
>
> >I will, too, but I'll still make time for T2. It should help pass the time.
>
> It looks and plays like Quake, only glossier. I've had my fill
> of these derivative titles on the PC. Goldeneye actually advanced this
> stagnant genre, but Turok 2 is simply a pretty (albeit choppy) step
> back. Unless you simply MUST have a new Quake knockoff, I'd recommend
> renting first. IMHO.
As I do all my games, including F-Zero X.
For me, the AI is what's attracting me to this game. I've never really been
a fan of zooming through stages and picking off bad guys, so anything that
makes me think beyond that should appeal to me.
And BTW, the only Wolfstein 3D clones I've played on the PC are Wolf 3D,
Doom, Quake, and Duke 3D. If that constitutes "filling", then so be it. for
me, a game which goes beyond the running-and-fragging mode of the
aforementioned (such as Goldeneye) will get my attention. I'm more than
willing to try my hand with T2's purported AI when the game is finally
released.
Peace to you...
Terrence Briggs
> The flamethrower looks really nice, though. :)
>
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N64Fan
> When Next-Gen mentioned the graphics, it referred to the game's performance
> with the RAM pack. A game with a frame rate lower than Goldeneye's 20 FPS
> would go noticed by them, wouldn't it.
Well, Next Gen said the framerate gets bad when there's more than one enemy on the
screen.
> For me, the AI is what's attracting me to this game. I've never really been
> a fan of zooming through stages and picking off bad guys, so anything that
> makes me think beyond that should appeal to me.
If the AI in QBC is any indication, you're welcome to it.
Brian Scanlon
the RAM Pak to run... Most certainly Nintendo wants it to compete with Zelda 64... sure...
N64Fan
> Yeah, Nintendo forced them... I believe that... Especially since the game does not REQUIRE
> the RAM Pak to run...
Since the hype surrounding Turok 2 is its hi-res graphics, most gamers would've gone ahead and
bought a 3rd party RAM Pak instead of waiting for Nintendo's. By delaying Turok 2, Nintendo
gets to have it's RAM Pak in the market before Turok 2 gets released. This is further backed up
by the fact that Turok 2 now comes with a $5 coupon for Nintendo's RAM Pak.
> Most certainly Nintendo wants it to compete with Zelda 64... sure...
Turok 2 is coming out in Dec, weeks after Zelda. They're not even in competition because
they're not in the same genre.
Charles Miller Jr.
>> >You have some sort of obsession with Castellan don't you?
>> Me thinks he doesn't know how to accept humility...
>Huzzah! Are you kidding Chuck? I got dinged so badly I slit my wrists right
I guess I should actually read the post I'm responding to, but the first
line gave me all I needed to know. Someone has an ego problem, yes me, but
this enzian guy too, and he doesn't accept humility very well. Akin to a
sore loser. Poor kid. Castlen, maybe you can give him a token show of
support and once he has thought to have won your acceptance he will go back
to eating his vitamins and drinking his Ovaltine like a good little boy and
give up this whole obsession with you. It seems it is tearing his little
life clean to bits.
Bomb2Moss
Alexander Schaewe
would've gone ahead and bought a 3rd party RAM Pak instead of waiting
for Nintendo's. By delaying Turok 2, Nintendo gets to have it's RAM Pak
in the market before Turok 2 gets released. This is further backed up by
the fact that Turok 2 now comes with a $5 coupon for Nintendo's RAM
Pak.>>
Not really...fans, like me who loved the comic and the first game are
looking forward to T2. The only people who are really intrested in the
graphics are usually the one's who can't get through the game. It's a
shame how much graphics mean to people over gameplay and fun.
<<Turok 2 is coming out in Dec, weeks after Zelda. They're not even in
competition because they're not in the same genre.>>
Wrong...here in Illinois Turok 2 will be released on the 24th, the same
day I get my pre-order of Zelda.(I'll be buying T2 as well) But there is
some places that are getting it a few days - to a week late. T2 and
Zelda are probably the #1 buys this thanksgiving for all N64
gamers...they will be in competition for sales.
-Alexander
Webmaster for Squall Domain, the #1 source for Final Fantasy VIII
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Snakebert
>Turok 2 is coming out in Dec, weeks after Zelda. They're not even in
competition because
>they're not in the same genre.
Sure they are. Not everyone has unlimited funds to buy games, therefore they
have to make a choice of what they are going to buy. This is especially the
case where a person is getting a new system and game at the same time, say
for a Christmas gift. In these kind of situations the games will be in
competition for the buyer's money.
Brian Scanlon
Pak, hence the coupon. But not hence the delay, since the game would run find without it, and due
to my other point which I will get to in a minute. It is not up to Nintendo when it comes to the
timing of the game, it is up to the developer, unless Nintendo does not have the capacity to make
all those carts at the same time :)
As far as not being in direct competition, you are wrong because any two killer apps that are
released in parallel will compete for direct market share, especially when both games will be in
the $70 range, not to mention getting a RAM Pak to go along with it. Were talking $200 for two
games and a pak for ONE person. Not everyone can afford all that, especially when they have to
give things to other loved ones. In the end, it really hurts Acclaim more than Nintendo since
Zelda will sell better. It would only hurt Nintendo if they delayed Turok 2 on purpose because
Acclaim would get mad and stop making games for the system.
Getting back to the original point of this post, regardless of whether the game was delayed by
Nintendo directly on purpose, there has been more than enough time to tweak the game beyond what
was on display at the store shelf. And the RAM Pak will help immensely in high resolution because
you can do things like triple buffering to speed up the frame rate, etc.
Alexander Schaewe
the Turok games? In terms of gameplay, i don't see anything in Turok
that hasn't been done before and better in Quake, Jedi Knight, and every
other 1st person shooter. If your into the Turok comic, then i could see
the interest in playing a game based on the characters, but otherwise
eye candy seems to be the only appeal in my opinion.>>
It's a fun game. The puzzle's, huge bosses, and so on make it more
appealing than Quake. Plus the multiplayer in Turok..come on..who
wouldn't enjoy that? And there is an actually storyline in Turok as
well. There is so much more than eye candy in T2..and if that's all
you're looking for..then I pitty you.
Castellan
>>
>> The RAM Pak won't improve frame rates (and may hurt them,
>> if the game is pushing the N64's max fillrate) unless the non RAM Pak
>> version is fetching textures of the cart on the fly and not from RAM.
>> Assuming both versions have the textures in RAM, you won't see an
>> improvement in frame rate, and, right now, it's definitely running at
>> 15 fps.
>When Next-Gen mentioned the graphics, it referred to the game's performance
>with the RAM pack. A game with a frame rate lower than Goldeneye's 20 FPS
>would go noticed by them, wouldn't it.
Next Gen also reviewed it (with lead time) three months before
release, and gave it a "Revolutionary!" five star score. Methinks they
were so eager to come out with the "exclusive" first review and assumed
that many of the evident flaws would be corrected before the actual
release. I mean, had they mentioned the frame rate, and Acclaim DOES
wind up improving it, they'd have egg on their face.
>And hit-and-run anti-IGN comments don't count <g>.
Sorry, Terrance, but I'm gonna blame Next Gen and their rather
crappy reviewing practices for this one. ;)
>> It looks and plays like Quake, only glossier. I've had my fill
>> of these derivative titles on the PC. Goldeneye actually advanced this
>> stagnant genre, but Turok 2 is simply a pretty (albeit choppy) step
>> back. Unless you simply MUST have a new Quake knockoff, I'd recommend
>> renting first. IMHO.
>As I do all my games, including F-Zero X.
You're a wiser man than I, then. I still get burned on a regular
basis.
LauraF2
>...fans, like me who loved the comic and the first game are
>looking forward to T2. The only people who are really intrested in the
>graphics are usually the one's who can't get through the game. It's a
>shame how much graphics mean to people over gameplay and fun.
Alexander, besides the graphics, what could possibly be the appeal of the
Turok games? In terms of gameplay, i don't see anything in Turok that hasn't
been done before and better in Quake, Jedi Knight, and every other 1st person
shooter. If your into the Turok comic, then i could see the interest in
playing a game based on the characters, but otherwise eye candy seems to be the
only appeal in my opinion.
Lau...@aol.com
" I forgot my one line, so I just said what I felt" PW
N64Fan
> Sure they are. Not everyone has unlimited funds to buy games, therefore they
> have to make a choice of what they are going to buy. This is especially the
> case where a person is getting a new system and game at the same time, say
> for a Christmas gift. In these kind of situations the games will be in
> competition for the buyer's money.
Yeah, well since you're stretching the word "competition", my lunch money is
also consider competition, I rather eat than spend it on a videogame.
N64Fan
> Wrong...here in Illinois Turok 2 will be released on the 24th, the same
> day I get my pre-order of Zelda.(I'll be buying T2 as well) But there is
> some places that are getting it a few days - to a week late. T2 and
> Zelda are probably the #1 buys this thanksgiving for all N64
> gamers...they will be in competition for sales.
I guess you don't know it was delayed.
N64Fan
> Your logic is a little shaky there. Sure, Nintendo does not want you to buy the competitor's RAM
> Pak, hence the coupon. But not hence the delay, since the game would run find without it, and due
> to my other point which I will get to in a minute. It is not up to Nintendo when it comes to the
> timing of the game, it is up to the developer, unless Nintendo does not have the capacity to make
> all those carts at the same time :)
Uh no, Nintendo controls what games gets published and when, not the developers unless they don't want
the "Seal of Quality".
> As far as not being in direct competition, you are wrong because any two killer apps that are
> released in parallel will compete for direct market share, especially when both games will be in
> the $70 range, not to mention getting a RAM Pak to go along with it. Were talking $200 for two
> games and a pak for ONE person. Not everyone can afford all that, especially when they have to
> give things to other loved ones. In the end, it really hurts Acclaim more than Nintendo since
> Zelda will sell better. It would only hurt Nintendo if they delayed Turok 2 on purpose because
> Acclaim would get mad and stop making games for the system.
Uh no, if Acclaim stopped making games for the N64, it would definitely hurt them more than Nintendo.
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Yeah..it was delayed until the 24th, when Zelda comes out the last time
I heard.(from IGN, and they haven't mentioned another delay.) A lot of
stores around here are advertising for the 24th..even Blockbuster.
Christopher Rodgers
not sure of the retailers cut, but thats the price I heard and it's
profit that motivates them.
<hence the coupon. But not hence the delay, since the game would run
find without it,>
Well if someone else is sellng a RAM pack thats profit lost to the big
N, can't allow that . Without it people will play it. Then be less likly
to buy the expansion when it arrives since they will be tired of T2 .
Nintendo wants mass market acceptance of the RAM pack for future
"eyecandy appeal" remember Sony is in the lead and Dreamcast is coming
they need improved graphics to compete and T2 is a big part of getting
the ball rolling .
<. It is not up to Nintendo when it comes to the timing of the game, it
is up to the developer, unless Nintendo does not have the capacity to
make all those carts at the same time :) >
Nintendo does not have a controlling part in the development, but it
probably does have final say in their release and Acclaim will not bite
the hand that feeds them so well.
< Were talking $200 for two games and a pak for ONE person. Not everyone
can afford all that, especially when they have to give things to other
loved ones.>
Well about 170 in my area tax included ,but agree it is alot. It always
amazes me how all the great games come out in winter and nothing in the
summer. I'm waiting on T2 and opting for Zelda and PSX Silent Hill
instead. May catch T2 it in the bargain bin this summer :) alot of N-64
new releases have dropped fast latley Iggy's and Chopper attack comes to
mind at the Target 29.99 price (fairly recent)
< In the end, it really hurts Acclaim more than Nintendo since Zelda
will sell better.>
Competition is already fierce this fall Rouge, F-Zero, Wipeout,
ExtremeG, probably somthing I'm leaving out maybe another racer ;)
< It would only hurt Nintendo if they delayed Turok 2 on purpose because
Acclaim would get mad and stop making games for the system. >
Happy, no.
Leave, not a chance
Now if Dreamcast is a huge success,they may share the wealth :)
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Desires every video game system known to man or mouse from Pong to
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><<I guess you don't know it was delayed.>>
>
>Yeah..it was delayed until the 24th, when Zelda comes out the last time
>I heard.(from IGN, and they haven't mentioned another delay.) A lot of
>stores around here are advertising for the 24th..even Blockbuster.
I could really care less about this argument...but EBWorld seems to be
reporting a Dec. 8th release date for Turok 2.
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>Yeah, well since you're stretching the word "competition", my lunch money
is
>also consider competition, I rather eat than spend it on a videogame.
That's more of a stretch than comparing two things which are both games,
different genres or not.
ef...@selway.umt.edu
> support and once he has thought to have won your acceptance he will go back
> to eating his vitamins and drinking his Ovaltine like a good little boy and
> give up this whole obsession with you. It seems it is tearing his little
> life clean to bits.
>
Good Gravy. This is so far past stupid and unfunny, I'm left a little dazed.
How come the only insults usenet geeks (like me) can come up with always
suggest their "opponent" is a child. I've heard this Ovaltine thing (or shots
like it) only about a 100 thousand times. C'mon, at least try to come up with
something cutting AND original. Dope.
tbr...@trinity.edu
douglasBE...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Castellan) wrote:
> tbr...@trinity.edu writes:
>
> >>
> >> The RAM Pak won't improve frame rates (and may hurt them,
> >> if the game is pushing the N64's max fillrate) unless the non RAM Pak
> >> version is fetching textures of the cart on the fly and not from RAM.
> >> Assuming both versions have the textures in RAM, you won't see an
> >> improvement in frame rate, and, right now, it's definitely running at
> >> 15 fps.
>
> >When Next-Gen mentioned the graphics, it referred to the game's performance
> >with the RAM pack. A game with a frame rate lower than Goldeneye's 20 FPS
> >would go noticed by them, wouldn't it.
>
> Next Gen also reviewed it (with lead time) three months before
> release, and gave it a "Revolutionary!" five star score. Methinks they
> were so eager to come out with the "exclusive" first review and assumed
> that many of the evident flaws would be corrected before the actual
> release. I mean, had they mentioned the frame rate, and Acclaim DOES
> wind up improving it, they'd have egg on their face.
And when the final version is released, we'll see how it goes.
> >And hit-and-run anti-IGN comments don't count <g>.
>
> Sorry, Terrance, but I'm gonna blame Next Gen and their rather
> crappy reviewing practices for this one. ;)
Statements like that are made with the assumption that I *know* of their
"crappy reviewing practices" to begin with. I'll plead temporary ignorance on
that one :)
And there's NO BLOODY "A" IN MY NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> It looks and plays like Quake, only glossier. I've had my fill
> >> of these derivative titles on the PC. Goldeneye actually advanced this
> >> stagnant genre, but Turok 2 is simply a pretty (albeit choppy) step
> >> back. Unless you simply MUST have a new Quake knockoff, I'd recommend
> >> renting first. IMHO.
>
> >As I do all my games, including F-Zero X.
>
> You're a wiser man than I, then. I still get burned on a regular
> basis.
Well, if there isn't a decently stocked game-rental outlet in your area,
you'll get burned no matter what.
Of course, this is all because of that time I bought Super R-Type because none
of the video stores had it :P
Terrence Briggs
Peace to you...
Brian Scanlon
> uh no, if Acclaim stopped making games for the N64, it would definitely hurt them more than Nintendo.
Being that Nintendo makes about $30 for each cart that is sold, it would most certainly cripple them
without that extra income. They are only getting decent income from US N64 sales and Gameboy sales.
Simply put, they can not afford to lose any developers at this point. After all, there is still the PSX
with a massive user base that they could turn too...
Brian Scanlon
people are considerably wealthy. Most people would rather have all the top tier
titles for any given system, but when funds are limited, they can only choose one
or two. I forgot about Star Wars Rogue Squadron which will be on par with the
above two titles as well. Different genres, sure, but it is all part of the video
game market. It's like saying Nintendo and Sony are not competing with each other
for market share.
( Sutaz )
z= $59
4mb pak= $30 - coupon = $25
its about $145, not $200
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> Being that Nintendo makes about $30 for each cart that is sold, it would most certainly cripple them
> without that extra income. They are only getting decent income from US N64 sales and Gameboy sales.
> Simply put, they can not afford to lose any developers at this point. After all, there is still the PSX
> with a massive user base that they could turn too...
Uh no, Nintendo hardly makes $30 per cart sold. Acclaim was on the verge of bankruptcy before they released
Turok. They even needed to borrow funds to publish Turok. If that game bombed, it would've most likely been
over for Acclaim. So if you think Acclaim can survive by only making PSX games, you are fooling yourself.
Robert Chang
Acclaim could do quite well producing games solely for the PSX. This
assumes, of course, that they produce something besides the horrendous crap
that they've churned out for that system. What system they make games for
is irrelevant. Its the quality of the games that will decide the fate of
the company. Well, the quality of the games, or the quality of the
marketing...
-bob
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Joshua S Redford
> Brian Scanlon wrote:
>
> > Your logic is a little shaky there. Sure, Nintendo does not want you to buy the competitor's RAM
> > Pak, hence the coupon. But not hence the delay, since the game would run find without it, and due
> > to my other point which I will get to in a minute. It is not up to Nintendo when it comes to the
> > timing of the game, it is up to the developer, unless Nintendo does not have the capacity to make
> > all those carts at the same time :)
>
> Uh no, Nintendo controls what games gets published and when, not the developers unless they don't want
> the "Seal of Quality".
I believe, according to Ign, that once a developer has a license, they can
release whatever they want, regardless of quality. (eg. dual
heroes...which is one game I don't need to play to know that I won't like
it.)
> > As far as not being in direct competition, you are wrong because any two killer apps that are
> > released in parallel will compete for direct market share, especially when both games will be in
> > the $70 range, not to mention getting a RAM Pak to go along with it. Were talking $200 for two
> > games and a pak for ONE person. Not everyone can afford all that, especially when they have to
> > give things to other loved ones. In the end, it really hurts Acclaim more than Nintendo since
> > Zelda will sell better. It would only hurt Nintendo if they delayed Turok 2 on purpose because
> > Acclaim would get mad and stop making games for the system.
>
> Uh no, if Acclaim stopped making games for the N64, it would definitely hurt them more than Nintendo.
Maybe, but it would sure as hell hurt Nintendo as well.
Josh Redford
Charles Miller Jr.
>Good Gravy. This is so far past stupid and unfunny, I'm left a little
dazed.
>How come the only insults usenet geeks (like me) can come up with always
>suggest their "opponent" is a child. I've heard this Ovaltine thing (or
shots
>like it) only about a 100 thousand times. C'mon, at least try to come up
with
>something cutting AND original. Dope.
10 to 1 this is enzine....
Brian Scanlon
really think Nintendo makes money from the blistering number of 1st party games they make? <sarcasm>
Seriously, that is the primary reason why N64 games are so expensive: Nintendo charges them for the cart ROMs.
The good old N has something good going there, which is why they didn't want to go CD in the first place.
Now, if Acclaim made good games for the PSX, they would do better than they do with the N64 because they would
have MUCH higher profit margins. $3 per CD instead of $30 per cart in terms of manufacturing costs. I doubt
things would get so bad that Acclaim would leave, but quite frankly, it's money Nintendo can't afford to lose
right now.
enz...@my-dejanews.com
>. C'mon, at least try to come up with
> >something cutting AND original. Dope.
>
> 10 to 1 this is enzine....
Hope you didn't put any money on that, Chucky! What, can't handle outside
critisism?! 9 of 10 readers agree...Chuck IS A DOPE! One more thing, I've
noticed the voice you use for this thread has changed dramatically since I
accused you of holding some kind of flame for me. Maybe I (unfortunately) hit
on something!? You're much less confrontational and have reverted to almost a
third person voice...A submissive voice! I was just kidding around, but maybe
I hit on something.*SHUDDER*. You either in fact harbor some kind of perverse
attraction for me, or you're a homophobic pinhead. Which is it Chucky? One or
the other, there is no in between on this one. I'm guessing you're a
homophobe *and* a pinhead. Let me amend that. I KNOW you're a pinhead, I
suspect you're a homophobe. Whatever you are, you're a thouroughbred wimp.
See ya!
Charles Miller Jr.
Obviously you aren't kidding around. You really do have a thing for
Castellen... Go for it man, the worst he can say is no.
Justin Bradley
you tell 'em alex!!!!!!!
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:43:20 -0600 (CST)
> From: Alexander Schaewe <zig...@webtv.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.games.video.nintendo
> Subject: Re: Turok 2: Not looking to good.
>
> <<Alexander, besides the graphics, what could possibly be the appeal of
> the Turok games? In terms of gameplay, i don't see anything in Turok
> that hasn't been done before and better in Quake, Jedi Knight, and every
> other 1st person shooter. If your into the Turok comic, then i could see
> the interest in playing a game based on the characters, but otherwise
> eye candy seems to be the only appeal in my opinion.>>
>
> It's a fun game. The puzzle's, huge bosses, and so on make it more
> appealing than Quake. Plus the multiplayer in Turok..come on..who
> wouldn't enjoy that? And there is an actually storyline in Turok as
> well. There is so much more than eye candy in T2..and if that's all
> you're looking for..then I pitty you.
>
> -Alexander
> Webmaster for Squall Domain, the #1 source for Final Fantasy VIII
> FanArt!
> http://seph.simplenet.com
>
>
>
Pik-a-chuuuuuuu!!!!! -Pikachu
Charles Miller Jr.
<read. Castellen said we should just be friends. Now I must go sulk.>
enz...@my-dejanews.com
> Obviously you aren't kidding around. You really do have a thing for
> Castellen... Go for it man, the worst he can say is no.
Uh, huh. Ok. Whatever. Chuck, I've gotta tell ya, I've had fun with ya, but
truth be told this thread has been beaten into a bloody pile of gristle and
sinew. God speed and God bless my friend. Vias con dios, amigo. Yes, I
probably mutilated that spelling, but F it. . . who cares.You're not that
funny and not that bright, but you've got staying power and I respect that in
you. Take care. See you 'round the bend.
Manga Overkill
>I will, too, but I'll still make time for T2. It should help pass the time.
Are you going to play a NEW game, Terrence? Have you finally tired of
KIG..? ;-)