Most Over/Under-Rated Games of All Time
Skadar
Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms. Here are some
of my personal favorites [sic].
1) Almost anything from Squaresoft-
Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy III for SNES - These games bored
me to death and made me scream at the screen solely because of the
atrocious dialogue and translation. "Make a landing here!" "You do
one damages to monster." Why can't Square simply hire a native
English speaking editor!? Anyone could have done it.
The only thing they have going for them is the music, which is
generally excellent. Final Fantasy II gets my vote for the "Worst and
Most Boring Intro Sequence of All Time". These are just two generally
horrible games that many people have latched onto primarily due to
word of mouth and lack of anything better.
2) Myst
Legions of newbies think of this slide-show as a wonderful gaming
experience, while anyone with the slightest bit of gaming background
finds the lack of interactivity, postage stamp video, and drawn-out
plotline unbearable.
The most famous case of how the ignorance of the non-gamer buying
masses (moms, dads, grandparents, and corporate types) allows them to
be willing led astray by hype and "gaming" articles in Newsweek. And
after it is all said and done, they believe that they had a great
gaming experience because the articles and their acquaintances said
they would.
Any additional thoughts?
While I'm on the subject, I might as well cast my vote for the "Most
Under-Rated Game of All Time".
1) Mortal Kombat II
Yes, it was extremely popular... but not quite in the context for
which I am nominating it. I consider MKII to be one of the best
STRATEGY games of all time. That's right, I said strategy. For two
accomplished MKII combatants, MKII illustrated the epitome of
strategic fighting. Every move or combination, coupled with the
particular person's fighting style, had a weakness. It was up the
their opponent to locate and exploit that weakness. The particular
fighting engine employed by MKII allowed full control and balance in
this strategic element. Even before fighting began, it was
advantageous to select a particular strategy and go with it. If your
opponent countered that strategy, you were required to immediately
flow into another. Very similar to chess in many respects.
Sure, you can call MKII a "button basher" fighting game, but a true
master of the game would be able to bring you to your knees if you
didn't except the strategic elements and start playing by their rules.
I can't go on about how deep this game really was. Most people simply
won't see it, but for those of us who did... it was truly something
special.
Skadar
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Unfortunately, I have to go to class RIGHT NOW to take an exam, but when
I get back I'm going to scorch you for saying that any MK game had a lot
of strategy involved. You have obviously never seen an expert VF2 or 3
match. However, I must say you're right on with the Squaresoft
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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:14 GMT, Skadar wrote:
:>Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
:>only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms. Here are some
:>of my personal favorites [sic].
:>
O.K. here is my list:
Over rated games are games that get way too much publicity compared to how
good they are.
#1 Strike Commander (Origin), 1991. www.origin.com
Remember this? How many articles were there on this game that were just so
far over blown over how good the game was when it came out. It ended up being
nothing but an over blown under powered flight simulator.
#2 Quake (ID) 1995. www.idsoft.com
When Quake first came out, I was pretty disappointed compared to the amount
of hype it received. Quakeworld is pretty fun and QuakeGL is really slick and
Quake 2 is also nice. But given the amount of hype, this game didn't come
close to living up to it.
#3 Age of Empires (Microsoft). www.microsoft.com
Age of Empires is a nice game but it's no Civcraft. It's warcraft 2, a 2 year
old game, with slightly better graphics and mildly different game mechancis.
Under rated games are games that are awesome but don't get enough attention
from the press or from gamers.
#1 Balance of Power 1990 (Chris Crawford)
The cold warrior's dream game didn't get that much attention because it
didn't have great graphics and no sound to speak of. But in terms of raw
gaming, it was an awesome game of political manuevering.
#2 Power Monger (Bullfrog). 1991. www.bullfrog.com
Forget Dune 2 (another under rated game), Power Monger is more like Age of
Empires and was multiplayer back in 1991. Used much of the Populace engine,
its only failing was a cheating AI but it was an amazing game.
#3 Entrepreneur (Stardock) 1997. www.stardock.com
I've seen almost no coverage of this game but its originality strikes me as
something you'd think would have been done before but hasn't. Using FUD and
Magic the Gathering type game elements to take over the world. Also an
amazing game.
:>Skadar
Charles Miller Jr.
most over rated.... easy
1) Mario 64
Not that it is bad, but come on... best game ever? No way.
2) Sonic 1
All that glitter ain't gold
3) FFVII
Also, not bad, but terribly over rated.
most under rated
1) Herzog Zwei
Do any of you know what this is?
2) Jones in the Fast Lane
Why no console ports for this game???!!!!
I for one would do a game boy port for FREE!!!! Hear that?!?!?! I, a CSE
will do it for FREE!!!! Take me up on it PLEASE!!!
Jason Iannuzzi
>1) Herzog Zwei
>
>Do any of you know what this is?
>
Yes, this is the grandaddy of all RTS games. From what I've been told, it
was the first video game to demonstrate the whole RTS idea. I believe it
was available only on Sega Genesis. Played it once, but never quite got the
hang of it.
Now my two cents:
Most Overrated:
Quake: Come on, it isn't THAT great, and in terms of gameplay, it's
downright unoriginal. It's only shining facet is the graphical revolution
it sparked.
Most Underrated:
Ultima 7: Huge, just an incredibly huge game. I put so many hours into
this game it hurt. I still haven't finished it, but it's damn fun.
C&C: It got a lot of heat for a lot of things, but even now, it seems
so well balanced, and the multiplayer games are still fun. It deserved more
credit for putting the spotlight squarely on the RTS genre.
Red Baron: I don't like flight sims, but this one was great. World's
ahead of it's time graphically. And so many options.
Joe Montana Football: Long time ago, played it on my 386, but it could
do anything. You could create you're own team, rank all the players, play
coop with a friend or against one, make your own playbook, and gameplay was
a blast. I can't remember ever playing another game where I actually wanted
to do the blocking. If anyone has this still, let me know, I'd be
interested.
Just my two cents, though, I expect most people will disagree.
EViLwebs
Hmmm,
Most over-rated/over-hyped games (in no particular order):
Tomb Raider -- Sold on the strengths of a bimbo's chest.
Resident Evil -- Did nothing that Bioforge or AITD didn't.
Mortal Kombat 1 -- Ugh. It had fatalities...who gives a shit?
The game played like crud.
Zelda 3 -- I just never liked it (I tried, I really did)....
Rise Of The Robots 1&2 -- Ohmygod. To think the designers were
touting this a Street Fighter 2's master. Wankers.
Commanche: Maximum Overkill -- One of the most notorious
examples of "Graphics over gameplay".
7th Guest -- Ah, you can still smell the FMV.
Myth -- I still can't figure out how it's sold so much.
Just about any adventure game from Sierra -- I don't know why
the damn things sold so well, esp. in America. Lucasart's
adventures kicked the stuffing out of them.
There are tons of others, I'm sure.
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Joseph M Leonard
Skadar (ska...@JABBAntr.net) wrote:
: 1) Almost anything from Squaresoft-
: Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy III for SNES - These games bored
: me to death and made me scream at the screen solely because of the
: atrocious dialogue and translation. "Make a landing here!" "You do
: one damages to monster." Why can't Square simply hire a native
: English speaking editor!? Anyone could have done it.
: The only thing they have going for them is the music, which is
: generally excellent. Final Fantasy II gets my vote for the "Worst and
: Most Boring Intro Sequence of All Time". These are just two generally
: horrible games that many people have latched onto primarily due to
: word of mouth and lack of anything better.
BINGO! FF3 bored me to tears. The only Square game I really liked was
Secret of Mana because it had real time fighting, cool magic, and a 3
player option. There should be more games like Secret of Mana. I must
admit most Square games have excellent music though, especially for a
SNES. I'm sorry but none of the FF games have gripping storylines. The
presentation is quite flat and bland compared to the Lunar series or
especially Snatcher.
: 2) Myst
: Legions of newbies think of this slide-show as a wonderful gaming
: experience, while anyone with the slightest bit of gaming background
: finds the lack of interactivity, postage stamp video, and drawn-out
: plotline unbearable.
: The most famous case of how the ignorance of the non-gamer buying
: masses (moms, dads, grandparents, and corporate types) allows them to
: be willing led astray by hype and "gaming" articles in Newsweek. And
: after it is all said and done, they believe that they had a great
: gaming experience because the articles and their acquaintances said
: they would.
: Any additional thoughts?
Yeah, it wasn't exactly a gripping storyline or innovative in any sense
but I think you have to give this game credit for doing what other games
have failed to do: appeal to the mainstream. I think Myst was successful
in breaking many of the barriers that prevent the mainstream from playing
video games.
: While I'm on the subject, I might as well cast my vote for the "Most
: Under-Rated Game of All Time".
:
: 1) Mortal Kombat II
:
: Yes, it was extremely popular... but not quite in the context for
: which I am nominating it. I consider MKII to be one of the best
: STRATEGY games of all time. That's right, I said strategy. For two
: accomplished MKII combatants, MKII illustrated the epitome of
: strategic fighting. Every move or combination, coupled with the
: particular person's fighting style, had a weakness. It was up the
: their opponent to locate and exploit that weakness. The particular
: fighting engine employed by MKII allowed full control and balance in
: this strategic element. Even before fighting began, it was
: advantageous to select a particular strategy and go with it. If your
: opponent countered that strategy, you were required to immediately
: flow into another. Very similar to chess in many respects.
I don't think so. You will never convince me that MK2 is deep.
: Sure, you can call MKII a "button basher" fighting game, but a true
: master of the game would be able to bring you to your knees if you
: didn't except the strategic elements and start playing by their rules.
: I can't go on about how deep this game really was. Most people simply
: won't see it, but for those of us who did... it was truly something
: special.
I don't think MK2 is a button masher game, I think Tekken and Street
Fighter are button masher games. I learned everything there was to learn
about MK2. In UMK3 I was one of the best players in the you'll ever lay
eyes on (not that I'm proud of this). The strategy was nowhere near the
level of SFA2 or VF3.
Pax Dickinson
Charles Miller Jr. <cwmil...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<676kpc$csg$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>...
>
> most under rated
>
> 1) Herzog Zwei
>
> Do any of you know what this is?
Pretty good early Genesis game.. You flew a jet in a top down view, I
think. Did it also have a tank? It actually reminded me quite a bit of
the old Raid On Bungling Bay game from the C=64 days. It was hurt badly
sales-wise by a terrible name, but I liked it.
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Go Devils!!
Jose Arellano
In article <3496a772...@202.152.0.241>, ska...@JABBAntr.net (Skadar) wrote:
> Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
> only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms. Here are some
> of my personal favorites [sic].
Thanks for starting an interesting thread (I'm getting pretty sick of the
'your gay!' thread...)
> 1) Almost anything from Squaresoft-
>
> Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy III for SNES - These games bored
> me to death and made me scream at the screen solely because of the
> atrocious dialogue and translation. "Make a landing here!" "You do
> one damages to monster." Why can't Square simply hire a native
> English speaking editor!? Anyone could have done it.
>
> The only thing they have going for them is the music, which is
> generally excellent. Final Fantasy II gets my vote for the "Worst and
> Most Boring Intro Sequence of All Time". These are just two generally
> horrible games that many people have latched onto primarily due to
> word of mouth and lack of anything better.
Well, I would agree about the poor translation in the earlier games but if
you take a look at the overall history, the translations get better and
better.
Translations aside, I would disagree to some extent. Squaresoft games are
touted as being great for generally one reason: the story. The stories
are pretty interesting (although repetitive) and very adult. The Square
games usually are packed with deep philosophical ideas. The concepts of
life, loss,
love and death are all portrayed in a resalistic light. Square, at least
in the US Market, was the first to do this. This is why Square games are
deemed as great. It's for the story thats told and how it unfolds like a
sci-fi novel.
> 2) Myst
>
> Legions of newbies think of this slide-show as a wonderful gaming
> experience, while anyone with the slightest bit of gaming background
> finds the lack of interactivity, postage stamp video, and drawn-out
> plotline unbearable.
>
> The most famous case of how the ignorance of the non-gamer buying
> masses (moms, dads, grandparents, and corporate types) allows them to
> be willing led astray by hype and "gaming" articles in Newsweek. And
> after it is all said and done, they believe that they had a great
> gaming experience because the articles and their acquaintances said
> they would.
>
> Any additional thoughts?
Big disagreement here. Granted, Myst and games like it are not a console
gamer's cup of tea. They don't provide the charater interaction the way
Doom or a Super Mario would but many non-gamers don't get Doom or Super
Mario. Myst has a simple interface that anyone can get into this includes
moms, dads, grandparents, and corporate types. They love this game because
it's immersive to them. I can't get it because I want the game to move at
a faster 'console speed' but they (moms, dads, etc.) get it. That's whats
important.
> While I'm on the subject, I might as well cast my vote for the "Most
> Under-Rated Game of All Time".
>
> 1) Mortal Kombat II
>
> Yes, it was extremely popular... but not quite in the context for
> which I am nominating it. I consider MKII to be one of the best
> STRATEGY games of all time. That's right, I said strategy. For two
> accomplished MKII combatants, MKII illustrated the epitome of
> strategic fighting. Every move or combination, coupled with the
> particular person's fighting style, had a weakness. It was up the
> their opponent to locate and exploit that weakness. The particular
> fighting engine employed by MKII allowed full control and balance in
> this strategic element. Even before fighting began, it was
> advantageous to select a particular strategy and go with it. If your
> opponent countered that strategy, you were required to immediately
> flow into another. Very similar to chess in many respects.
>
> Sure, you can call MKII a "button basher" fighting game, but a true
> master of the game would be able to bring you to your knees if you
> didn't except the strategic elements and start playing by their rules.
> I can't go on about how deep this game really was. Most people simply
> won't see it, but for those of us who did... it was truly something
> special.
I agree with you that MKII was a great game. I still think it's the best
one in the series because of the great control. I agree that this game can
be considered a strategy game but the same can be said of any fighter.
My votes for underrated games:
Tail of the Sun (PSX)
Super Mario 64 (N64)
Zelda II (SNES)
Earthworm Jim (any system)
My votes for overrated games:
Crash Bandicoot (PSX)
Tekken 1 or 2 (PSX)
Quake (PC)
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Joseph M Leonard
Here's my list:
Over-rated:
Mario 64
FF3
Chrono Trigger
Tetris (folks, it isn't THAT deep... I think Baku Baku is much deeper)
Any Castlevania game except Castlevania 2 for NES.
FirePro Wrestling
Just about any N64 game
Under-rated:
Need for Speed (I still think this is the best Saturn racer)
Uniracers
and... any other game in my sig that wasn't popular.
Kagemusha
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:45:11 +0000, EViLwebs
<sli...@websling.demon.co.uk.remove.this> wrote:
snip snip
>
>Rise Of The Robots 1&2 -- Ohmygod. To think the designers were
>touting this a Street Fighter 2's master. Wankers.
>
you are confusing a bad games with an overrated one. did anyone aside
from the developers say rise of the robots was a great game...doubt it
Darien Allen
>My votes for underrated games:
>
>Tail of the Sun (PSX)
>Super Mario 64 (N64)
>Zelda II (SNES)
>Earthworm Jim (any system)
SM64? You have this on your underrated list? How can that be
possible? Virtually every magazine out there attempted to immediately
crown it as game of the year....I haven't seen so many magazine
orgasms in lord knows how long....
>My votes for overrated games:
>
>Crash Bandicoot (PSX)
>Tekken 1 or 2 (PSX)
>Quake (PC)
Man I have a SERIOUS problem with your inclusion..hell of all 3 of
these games. Then again I was always a Sonic fan (which helped me to
enjoy the more 2D than 3D feel of Crash). Tekken is just da
bomb..next to the VF series, and Quake...ugh play it multi-player!
Time to shine...Quake 2..well......
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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:45:11 +0000, EViLwebs
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>Hmmm,
>Most over-rated/over-hyped games (in no particular order):
>
>
>Tomb Raider -- Sold on the strengths of a bimbo's chest.
Not true at all...of course she added to it..but I found TR so
enjoyable, that I wouldn't have given a crap if it was a
guy...girl...cat...dog...plumber....
>Resident Evil -- Did nothing that Bioforge or AITD didn't.
On a console? Bioforge was on a console? Describe that one to me.
I've never heard of it. As for AITD...no thanks.
>Mortal Kombat 1 -- Ugh. It had fatalities...who gives a shit?
>The game played like crud.
Now yes...back then. An achievement. Sure it won't rank as a SF
class game....but I consider MK to have been in it's day a thoroughly
enjoyable game...MK2...ok...MK3...wait a minute, now it's getting out
of hand...UMK3.. MKT...ugh forget it....MK4...wow..nice
backgrounds...oh you mean people actually PLAY this? UGH.
>Zelda 3 -- I just never liked it (I tried, I really did)....
Sounds like the same problem I have with Mario, just could never get
into it.
>Rise Of The Robots 1&2 -- Ohmygod. To think the designers were
>touting this a Street Fighter 2's master. Wankers.
OH MY GOD GARBAGE, GARBAGE GARBAGE <ahem> Sorry, just the mention of
that name.....
>Myth -- I still can't figure out how it's sold so much.
Tell me about it. Nice pictures, incredible abstract puzzles, and it
sells great...hell I could have just invited people over my house, and
had them open and close windows and doors to find things....would have
charged em less too......
>Just about any adventure game from Sierra -- I don't know why
>the damn things sold so well, esp. in America. Lucasart's
>adventures kicked the stuffing out of them.
Man, I'm sorry, I loved the early KQ stuff.
Bruno Wolff III
From article <01bd0a5d$cc5fab20$020101df@pax>, by "Pax Dickinson" <p...@nospam.op.net>:
The game could be played either human vs human or human vs computer.
In human vs human mode a split screen was used so that both players
could see what both players were doing.
Each player controlled a transforming jet/robot directly. You got production
points based on how many bases you had. You had troops that you could
give generic orders to. There were infantry, tanks, mortorcycles, tankers
and missle launchers. You could use the jet to rapidly ferry troops around.
The Jet and Robot could be used to fight directly. If the Jet/Robot was
destroyed, then it would automatically be rebuilt at your main base.
There were several maps and some selections on the effects of terrain types.
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On Tue, 16 Dec 97 13:55:33 +0500, "Kevin Diller" <kdi...@vastnet.com>
hastily mentioned:
>On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:14 GMT, Skadar wrote:
>
>:>Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
>:>only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms. Here are some
>:>of my personal favorites [sic].
>:>
>
>O.K. here is my list:
>
>Over rated games are games that get way too much publicity compared to how
>good they are.
>
>#1 Strike Commander (Origin), 1991. www.origin.com
>Remember this? How many articles were there on this game that were just so
>far over blown over how good the game was when it came out. It ended up being
>nothing but an over blown under powered flight simulator.
Good one! I totally agree! Many people call the N64 the "fog
machine", but Strike Commander turned the PC into a fog machine many
years ago. This game looked absolutely brilliant on paper and in
magazines... but not on the screen.
>#2 Quake (ID) 1995. www.idsoft.com
>When Quake first came out, I was pretty disappointed compared to the amount
>of hype it received. Quakeworld is pretty fun and QuakeGL is really slick and
>Quake 2 is also nice. But given the amount of hype, this game didn't come
>close to living up to it.
Again I agree. To me, Duke 3D was WAAAYYY more fun than Quake.
As for more UNDER-rated games... I forgot to mention a couple.
1) Scorched Earth - this game was/is shareware and it was simply SO
MUCH FUN for its time. Actually, it is still fun today. This is the
only shareware product that I have ever actually registered, I thought
it was so good. Simple multiplayer tank warfare at its best.
2) MissionForce: Cyberstorm - An excellent, solid MECH-type turn
based strategy game from Sierra. Very high quality and enjoyable.
Also extremely simple to learn. This one generated no hoopla and
almost instantly ended up in the bargain bin for some unexplainable
reason. Sort of like the X-Com of MECH-type games.
3) A-10 Cuba - This little gem from Activision is largely shunned due
to its lack of a manual and that fact that it only contains 16
missions (4 training). Putting these factors aside... this is a
flight simulation not to be missed! A-10 Cuba incorporates the most
incredible flight modeling ever witnessed on a home computer. It has
to be flown to be believed. I have long since finished all of the
missions in the game, but it still keeps me coming back again and
again just for fun flying and random destruction! The graphics are
polygons... but they are beautiful. Also an extremely fun net game!
Any more games out there?
Skadar
On 16 Dec 97 18:10:42 GMT, leon...@wilde.oit.umass.edu (Joseph M
Leonard) hastily mentioned:
>Skadar (ska...@JABBAntr.net) wrote:
>
>Unfortunately, I have to go to class RIGHT NOW to take an exam, but when
>I get back I'm going to scorch you for saying that any MK game had a lot
>of strategy involved. You have obviously never seen an expert VF2 or 3
>match. However, I must say you're right on with the Squaresoft
>comments. GOTTA GO!--
Hahhaaha. Keep in mind that I didn't say that there weren't any
BETTER games out there! I haven't had enough experience with any of
the Virtua Fighters to justify making comments about them. I was
simply relating my adoration of Mortal Kombat II... a game which many
people didn't fully grasp the depth of.
I'm sure the same can be probably be said of Virtua Fighter. You are
right, I have never seen an equally matched pair of experts play the
game. Would be cool to see, no doubt.
dbarkes
Darien Allen wrote:
> >Resident Evil -- Did nothing that Bioforge or AITD didn't.
>
> On a console? Bioforge was on a console? Describe that one to me.
> I've never heard of it. As for AITD...no thanks.
Here is where I agree with the original poster. I like horror movies
that rely more on creepiness/mood/setting than jump-out shocks. RE
provided me with jump-out shocks, which were nice, but other than that I
didn't really feel that involved in it. Now Alone in the Dark...I
remember the first time I played through that game on the PC. THAT game
gave me the creeps, and it's one of my all-time favorites. I liked it
because you weren't armed to the teeth and ready like you are in RE; I
really felt vunerable in AITD, even if you did pick up a weapon, since
many of the creatures were of the "Elder Gods"/HP Lovecraft type who
would just laugh if you pointed a gun at them.
Just my .2
Doug
EViLwebs
Kevin Diller wrote:
>
> O.K. here is my list:
>
> Over rated games are games that get way too much publicity compared to how
> good they are.
>
> #1 Strike Commander (Origin), 1991. www.origin.com
> Remember this? How many articles were there on this game that were just so
> far over blown over how good the game was when it came out. It ended up being
> nothing but an over blown under powered flight simulator.
>
Dude, couldn't agree more :) SC was a set of very limited missions,
dressed up in a sub-Hollywood plot. Nice graphics at the time, but
you need a killer machine to get it running at anything like an
acceptable speed. And to think it was delayed for 1 and a half years,
too. Tsk.
Anyway, I think my vote for the most under-rated game ever has to
go to Pipedream/Pipemania. It lived in the shadow of Tetris for
so long, but for me it was much better than 'Tris. All we need now
is for the 3D N64 version...
EViLwebs
Darien Allen wrote:
>
> >Mortal Kombat 1 -- Ugh. It had fatalities...who gives a shit?
> >The game played like crud.
>
> Now yes...back then. An achievement. Sure it won't rank as a SF
> class game....but I consider MK to have been in it's day a thoroughly
> enjoyable game...MK2...ok...MK3...wait a minute, now it's getting out
> of hand...UMK3.. MKT...ugh forget it....MK4...wow..nice
> backgrounds...oh you mean people actually PLAY this? UGH.
>
It's not true, I tell ye! Okay, everyone's entitled to their
opinion, but MK was woefully inadequate from a gameplay POV (I'll
get to those in a minute). It's only saving grace was the digitised
graphics, the blood, and the fatalities. MK was what you went to
play when you kept getting beaten at Street Fighter. Even back
then, there were much better fighters around, noticeably from
SNK, and even games like Body Blows on the Amiga.
MK just was poor beyond belief. The engine didn't allow for any
combos (except Scorpion's harpoon -> choice of move).
It had a paltry choice of 7 characters, which was pitiful even
back then, and to compound thing, they all played almost identically,
except the for special moves. It didn't require any skill to complete
in 1-P mode (more a case of learning certain how to defeat the CPU
opponents with cheesy tricks, such as doing the roundhouse kick at the
correct distance as the opponent approaches), and the 2-P mode
failed to conjure any sense of excitement between two even-matched
players, because there was no sense of high-risk : high-reward
play. And to cap it all, their was no move-priority hirachy
(except Cage's bastard uppercut), which meant that if you
hit or were hit was decided by luck more than anything else.
MK2 was a vast improvement. The learning curve was incredibly
steep, but once you mastered it, there was a decent amount of
strategy and reflex-based play, combos were introduced (some
of them quite inventive), and overall there was a much higher
skill:win correlation than on the first game.
While Street Fighter 2 was good enough to survive the test of
time, Mortal Kombat hasn't.
Mike Balkan
> > 1) Almost anything from Squaresoft-
> >
> > Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy III for SNES - These games bored
> > me to death and made me scream at the screen solely because of the
> > atrocious dialogue and translation. "Make a landing here!" "You do
> > one damages to monster." Why can't Square simply hire a native
> > English speaking editor!? Anyone could have done it.
> >
>
Nowhere in the game does it say "You do one damages to monster." First of all, it
doesn't say anything like that in either of these games, maybe Dragon Warrior or
something, but not these. There was nothing bad about the dialogue either, while it
could have been translated a little better in some parts, it was still very good.
> > The only thing they have going for them is the music, which is
> > generally excellent. Final Fantasy II gets my vote for the "Worst and
> > Most Boring Intro Sequence of All Time". These are just two generally
> > horrible games that many people have latched onto primarily due to
> > word of mouth and lack of anything better.
>
Are you kidding me? The opening to FF II was one of the best sequences I've ever
seen. Furthermore, I hadn't heard
pratically anything about either game before I played them, yet I was hooked as soon
as I started playing them, and I still think they are two of the best games ever
made. Maybe you're just not the RPG type.
--
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Joshua Kaufman
Skadar wrote:
>
> Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
> only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms. Here are some
> of my personal favorites [sic].
>
>
> Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy III for SNES - These games bored
> me to death and made me scream at the screen solely because of the
> atrocious dialogue and translation. "Make a landing here!" "You do
> one damages to monster." Why can't Square simply hire a native
> English speaking editor!? Anyone could have done it.
>
> generally excellent. Final Fantasy II gets my vote for the "Worst and
> Most Boring Intro Sequence of All Time". These are just two generally
> horrible games that many people have latched onto primarily due to
> word of mouth and lack of anything better.
Well, since we're going on opinions, I'll say I absolutly disagree with
you. I would put theese two toward the top of the list of the best games
of all time. True FF2's translation was horrible ("You spoony
bard..."), but both of theese games just had "it". They are the type of
game that, IMO, you can play again and agian, even when you know the
plot. Maybe it's the music, maybe it's the ATB, but theese two games are
the reason I never sold my Snes.
>
> 2) Myst
>
> Legions of newbies think of this slide-show as a wonderful gaming
> experience, while anyone with the slightest bit of gaming background
> finds the lack of interactivity, postage stamp video, and drawn-out
> plotline unbearable.
>
> The most famous case of how the ignorance of the non-gamer buying
> masses (moms, dads, grandparents, and corporate types) allows them to
> be willing led astray by hype and "gaming" articles in Newsweek. And
> after it is all said and done, they believe that they had a great
> gaming experience because the articles and their acquaintances said
> they would.
>
> Any additional thoughts?
Now this one I can agree with you on. My father got this game when it
first came out. I was *very* impressed with the graphics. But it seemed
quite boring walking around with absolutly no incling of what you are
supposed to do.
-Joshua
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Marc
Joshua Kaufman wrote:
>
> Skadar wrote:
> >
> > Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
> > only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms. Here are some
> > of my personal favorites [sic].
> >
> > 1) Almost anything from Squaresoft-
> >
> > Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy III for SNES - These games bored
> > me to death and made me scream at the screen solely because of the
> > atrocious dialogue and translation. "Make a landing here!" "You do
> > one damages to monster." Why can't Square simply hire a native
> > English speaking editor!? Anyone could have done it.
> >
> > The only thing they have going for them is the music, which is
> > generally excellent. Final Fantasy II gets my vote for the "Worst and
> > Most Boring Intro Sequence of All Time". These are just two generally
> > horrible games that many people have latched onto primarily due to
> > word of mouth and lack of anything better.
>
> Well, since we're going on opinions, I'll say I absolutly disagree with
> you. I would put theese two toward the top of the list of the best games
> of all time. True FF2's translation was horrible ("You spoony
> bard..."), but both of theese games just had "it". They are the type of
> game that, IMO, you can play again and agian, even when you know the
> plot. Maybe it's the music, maybe it's the ATB, but theese two games are
> the reason I never sold my Snes.
This is something to the effect I was going to say at first, only I was
a little more harsh to the original poster so I decided against posting
it (I really don't like to start fights). Almost every Square game
(except Secret of Evermore, FF:MQ, and SMRPG) is a great epic tale IMO,
and most of them deserve to be mentioned with some of the all-time great
RPGs, if not the all-time great games. I wish more of their work had
been put out here (as do many others I assume [like Seiken Densetsu 3 or
some of the RS games]). Their games are not over-rated, but quality in
the truest sense of the word. Like Joshua, these are the kind of games
that are the reason I never parted with my SNES. If in fact the
original poster does like RPG games (I am assuming he doesn't), I would
like to know which ones he enjoys.
Marc
Ken Small
Well, half the games listed as being overrated are games I either liked
or at least saw the appeal of... (Tomb Raider is a great Prince of
Persia followup with or without breasts, and Myst really does have
appeal albiet in a different sort of way). Anyway here are mine:
Sonic: Yawn. It was kinda fun for the first three worlds, but speed
makes a lousy substitute for the more involving play of Mario.
Gunstar Heroes: Weak Contra followup. Kinda easy. Impressive
graphics technically but (IMHO) very ugly.
Guardian Heroes (I smell a theme here): Did those cute little
anime sequences blind everybody to the spazzy play? Maybe I just
don't like side-scroling brawlers, but given the praise this one got,
I expected to like it.
Ridge Racer: Sure, it's really fun. For as long as it lasts (not
very). And the notion of technique is completely out the window.
Learn the few hard corners and how to block the black car and you're
done.
Loaded: Very hyped when it came out. Managed to make total mayhem
boring.
Gex: Other than the character animation (and really, who cares), what
did this game have going for it?
Zelda-- Link's Awakening: I really, really wanted to like this one.
I'm, always on the lookout for good GB games, and this was supposedly
one of the best. Having never played Zelda, I didn't realize that the
game was an exercise in repetive simplistic combat and busywork.
SNES Mario Kart (single player): Battle mode is worth getting this
game for, but I found the single player game pretty lacking.
Underrated games:
V-Rally (at least in the US): It isn't as good as the UK fans made it
out to be (so I guess it could go above as well) but it certainly
didn't deserve the terrbile reviews it got here. It's really hard and
really unforgiving, and that usually gets a game bad ratings in the
US.
Rayman: One of my favorite platformers outside the Mario series.
Seems that becuase it wasn't an exclusive, it gets overlooked or
forgotten becuase it can't be wielded as a sign of one console or
another's superiority. I happily await the sequel, if in fact it is
still in the works.
Subterrania: A great classic-stlye game for the Genesis, probably
somewhat hampered by a lack of level-select or password or save.
Killer gameplay, though, descended from and vastly improving on
Gravitar.
Combat (NES): I honestly don't know if this is under or overrated or
what, since I never hear it mentioned. Great game in any case. The
SNES sequel seemed lame, though I can't remember why I think that
now.
--
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Jeff Rubin
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> Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
> only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms.
Overrated games:
WaveRace- Almost anything on N64 is overrated. Except GoldenEye. That's
fun.
Tomb Raider- Just too hard for me.
Quake- It's doom, but with not creative weapons and better graphics. I am
downloading the Quake2 demo as we speak, maybe it will be better.
PaRappa- It's Simon to a beat and with a cartoon. Good for a rental.
Underated:
Oh boy, I got a lot of these
Super Dogdge Ball- One of the all time greatest NES 2 player games.
Jumping Flash! 2- This is ten times better then Crash Bandicoot. Not that
bandicoot is bad, but nothing beats doing a triple jump with your giant
robo- bunny and landing right on Captain Kabuki's head.
Armomred Core- Thank god for the demo disc, or else I might have skipped
over this gem of a game. MechWarrior, but more action oriented and a lot
more fun. Customazation up da wazoo!
Super Puzzle Fighter 2- Why does no one even bother to look at this game.
Everyone just thinks its a way to milk more money out of Street Fighter.
In actuality, it's almost better then Tetris.
Final Fantasy VII- A good game, but c'mon, it's not the second coming.
You Don't Know Jack- I command all who are reading this post to go to
www.bezerk.com and try the You Don't Know Jack net show. It's so damn
good. Berkly Systems should be sending me a check. After playing the game
at my house, 5 of my friends all got different version of Jack. It's just
so much fun.
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Darien Allen <darie...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in article
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> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:45:11 +0000, EViLwebs
> <sli...@websling.demon.co.uk.remove.this> wrote:
>
> >Myth -- I still can't figure out how it's sold so much.
>
> Tell me about it. Nice pictures, incredible abstract puzzles, and it
> sells great...hell I could have just invited people over my house, and
> had them open and close windows and doors to find things....would have
> charged em less too......
How many more people are going to be confused between Myth and Myst. It
sounds like you both mixed them up. They *really* should have called it
something else, especially with Riven being released the same week.
Dave Manning
Skadar wrote:
<snip - re Most over-rated games>
> 2) Myst
>
> Legions of newbies think of this slide-show as a wonderful gaming
> experience, while anyone with the slightest bit of gaming background
> finds the lack of interactivity, postage stamp video, and drawn-out
> plotline unbearable.
> Any additional thoughts?
Incredibly (and sadly for the creators of myst), I now have a working
knowledge to program the same type of game (and actually improve
it!!!!!). It's quite simple to create using any basic multimedia
authoring software. Rather cheezy, if you ask me! Not the most
exciting of games, and certainly not worth all the hype. I saw a demo
for it, and thought that it looked neat because there was a video file
embedded in it. woo. When I saw the real thing a few months later, I
didn't quite understand why you would want to play a game in which you
aren't explained even the plot, and simply work out puzzle after
puzzle; it became rather mind-numbing and monotonous after a while!
WAAAAY over-hyped. Good call. ^_^
kwarlord
Joseph M Leonard wrote in message <3496e...@oit.umass.edu>...
>Here's my list:
>
>Over-rated:
>Mario 64
>FF3
>Chrono Trigger
>Tetris (folks, it isn't THAT deep... I think Baku Baku is much deeper)
>Any Castlevania game except Castlevania 2 for NES.
>FirePro Wrestling
>Just about any N64 game
This must be from a Playstation drone. There are plenty of N64 games that
are ten times better than the best Playstation game! (not counting Final
fantasy 7)
All of those games you mentioned, except for Tetris, got no more praise than
they actually earned.
>
>Under-rated:
>Need for Speed (I still think this is the best Saturn racer)
>Uniracers
>and... any other game in my sig that wasn't popular.
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my picks for overrated games:
Parrapa the Rappa. OH MY GOD! People actually liked this crap?!
Diddy Kong Racing. <sarcasm> well, if it is from Rare than it MUST be good!
</sarcasm> After playing this, I had to get my stomach pumped from all of
the cutesy sugary gameplay and graphics.
Doom64. Too dark. I needed to max out the brightness on my TV just to see
the !@#$% thing!
Most underrated game:
Heroes of Might and Magic 2: The Succession Wars. I must have played that
demo all freakin day and it was only one map! I am very glad that I now have
the Compendium set (HoMM1, HoMM2, Price of Loyalty expansion for HoMM2).
P.S. I am going to start making my own maps for this game and uploading them
to my Tripod website. I love those types of games!
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EViLwebs wrote in message
<349727...@websling.demon.co.uk.remove.this>...
>Pax Dickinson wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> How many more people are going to be confused between Myth and Myst. It
>> sounds like you both mixed them up. They *really* should have called it
>> something else, especially with Riven being released the same week.
>>
>
>Auggghhh shit! I can't believe I got that wrong! Yes, now I recall,
>Myth was the classic Commodore 64 game by System 3. Now that WAS an
>under-rated classic of yesteryear :) :)
>
>> --
>> Pax Dickinson
>> p...@op.net
>> Go Devils!!
Is that the PC sequel that is just coming out then? I have the Myth demo and
it is a cool strategy game.
Devilot
My vote for the most under-rated games:
Harvest Moon
Breath of Fire II
Lufia & the Fortress of Doom
Albert Odyssey
Keio Flying Squadron 2
Cyberbots
The most overrated games:
Lunar: The Silver Star Sega CD(It was okay, but way too freaking short)
I really can't think of any games that were way overhyped and then
turned out to be total trash...help me out here, ppl.
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Marc
kwarlord wrote:
>
> Joseph M Leonard wrote in message <3496e...@oit.umass.edu>...
> >Here's my list:
> >
> >Over-rated:
> >Mario 64
> >FF3
> >Chrono Trigger
> >Tetris (folks, it isn't THAT deep... I think Baku Baku is much deeper)
> >Any Castlevania game except Castlevania 2 for NES.
> >FirePro Wrestling
> >Just about any N64 game
>
> This must be from a Playstation drone. There are plenty of N64 games that
> are ten times better than the best Playstation game! (not counting Final
> fantasy 7)
All in your opinion, of course.
>
> All of those games you mentioned, except for Tetris, got no more praise than
> they actually earned.
So says you.....
HOMM2 was not underrated. It got numerous strategy game awards from
many game magazines and was the talk of the newsgroups when it came out.
It got the hype it deserved.
Marc
tbr...@trinity.edu
In article <676o9q$4...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
darie...@hotmailnospam.com (Darien Allen) wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:19:12 -0800, int...@pacbell.net (Jose
> Arellano) wrote:
>
> >My votes for underrated games:
> >
> >Tail of the Sun (PSX)
> >Super Mario 64 (N64)
> >Zelda II (SNES)
> >Earthworm Jim (any system)
>
> SM64? You have this on your underrated list? How can that be
> possible? Virtually every magazine out there attempted to immediately
> crown it as game of the year....I haven't seen so many magazine
> orgasms in lord knows how long....
Since the Tomb Raider fiasco :) I mean, dude, that's both literal
AND figurative. And that rolls into MY choices for "MOST OVERRATED GAME".
And Eartworm Jim?! EVERYONE was raving about that game. That and
Battletoads are the most OVERRATED games I can think of. Earthworm Jim
had some throughly uninvolving action (to me) like the Underwater stage
with enemies you had to avoid until you picked up the hamster.
Battletoads was a decent action game with lousy fighting control (as
mindless as everyone says Final Fight is, without the ability to hit more
than one enemy) and two unmercifully difficult "driving" stages, where
the gamer had to memorize something along the order of 90 gate positions.
> >My votes for overrated games:
> >
> >Crash Bandicoot (PSX)
> >Tekken 1 or 2 (PSX)
> >Quake (PC)
>
> Man I have a SERIOUS problem with your inclusion..hell of all 3 of
> these games. Then again I was always a Sonic fan (which helped me to
> enjoy the more 2D than 3D feel of Crash). Tekken is just da
> bomb..next to the VF series, and Quake...ugh play it multi-player!
> Time to shine...Quake 2..well......
Crash is better than Mario64 or something? "Full 3-D vs. corridor"
arguments aside, I'd have a problem with that idea myself. And as for
"overrated," most magazines considered the game disappointingly
above-average.
I'm not sure what's wrong with Tekken. Other than the characters aren't
distinct outside of their special moves -- I think.
As for Quake, Darien, weren't you the one who waived support for the
N64's multiplayer capabilities? I, for one, believe a game should be
defined by its SINGLE-PLAYER capabilities, unless the multiplayer options
are possible with CPU-controlled players, as in WCW vs. the World and
Goldeneye.
As for my list:
OVERRATED:
Battletoads (see above)
Earthworm Jim (Ditto. The worst of the bunch: Everyone loved it and I
hated it for the reasons they loved it, pretty much.)
Super Metroid (more algorithmic orgasms; the game was too linear for the
praise it got as a "free adventure" -- it was still good though)
Mickey Mania (horribly simplistic -- hopping and throwing marbles is all
you do most of the time)
Blackthorne (not as highly-regarded as the others, but the lethargic pace,
simplistic gunfighting, and moderately interesting puzzles tuned me out)
Contra 3: Alien Wars (unplayable on anything but easy, and the weapons
aren't available often enough; the best shooters let the *player* decide
which weapons to use -- many aren't found until Stage 3, and then you
have to try keeping it!)
UNDERRATED: Phantom 2040 (as "free" as Super Metroid should have been; a
good action game with a great adventure element [and feasible to navigate
without maps] and multiple plot forks; GamePro was the only mag that gave
this game its due)
Vice: Project Doom (Nintendo Power's ratings heralded this game as one of
the best 8-bitters ever; great story, intense action, and realiable
challenge if you don't get crazy with the unlimited continues)
Maximum Carnage (one Electronic Games reviewer and one Gamepro reviewer
[unofficially] gave this Final Fight clone its credit; unlike the clones,
the action requires more than just button-mashing, and the challenge is
very comparable to Final Fight's; plot forks)
Gun Nac (no one, except for Nintendo Power, reviewed this game, and even
they didn't credit it as a sensational prequel to Space Megaforce -- one
of the best shooters ever)
Killer Instinct (only underrated by IGN <g> -- see "N64 Fighters" thread
for details)
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In article <676oih$4...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
darie...@hotmailnospam.com (Darien Allen) wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:45:11 +0000, EViLwebs
> <sli...@websling.demon.co.uk.remove.this> wrote:
>
> >Most over-rated/over-hyped games (in no particular order):
> >
> >
> >Tomb Raider -- Sold on the strengths of a bimbo's chest.
>
> Not true at all...of course she added to it..but I found TR so
> enjoyable, that I wouldn't have given a crap if it was a
> guy...girl...cat...dog...plumber....
Okay. I still don't like the way she looks, though. She's Twiggy with
balloons down her blouse -- what a sell-out...
BTW, the simplistic gun action and brick wall challenge are my major
beefs with the game, but it's still decent. I wish I hadn't paid $35 for
it, though...
> >Resident Evil -- Did nothing that Bioforge or AITD didn't.
>
> On a console? Bioforge was on a console? Describe that one to me.
> I've never heard of it. As for AITD...no thanks.
Again, who's played those games :) I still need to play RD, though...
> >Mortal Kombat 1 -- Ugh. It had fatalities...who gives a shit?
> >The game played like crud.
>
> Now yes...back then. An achievement. Sure it won't rank as a SF
> class game....but I consider MK to have been in it's day a thoroughly
> enjoyable game...MK2...ok...MK3...wait a minute, now it's getting out
> of hand...UMK3.. MKT...ugh forget it....MK4...wow..nice
> backgrounds...oh you mean people actually PLAY this? UGH.
Someone else already responded to MK. *I* will say, though, that at no
time after the *first* Street Fighter game could MK be considered a
gameplay achievement. People knew even then that there was more to
fighting games than what Boon and Tobias thought.
> >Zelda 3 -- I just never liked it (I tried, I really did)....
>
> Sounds like the same problem I have with Mario, just could never get
> into it.
I don't think he's G*d or anything, but he's been in some real good
games. In fact, Mario 64 is just plain more accessible than Tomb Raider.
At least I like the pace more.
> >Rise Of The Robots 1&2 -- Ohmygod. To think the designers were
> >touting this a Street Fighter 2's master. Wankers.
>
> OH MY GOD GARBAGE, GARBAGE GARBAGE <ahem> Sorry, just the mention of
> that name.....
<NELSON LAUGH></NELSON LAUGH>
> >Myth -- I still can't figure out how it's sold so much.
>
> Tell me about it. Nice pictures, incredible abstract puzzles, and it
> sells great...hell I could have just invited people over my house, and
> had them open and close windows and doors to find things....would have
> charged em less too......
Some one elready mentioned it: "Made games appeal to the mainstream."
Will FF7 do the same?
BTW, I have a pack-in CD game called "Journeyman's Adventures" which
feels disressingly like Myst as I've heard it described. Probably as
boring, too :)
Then again, even people who don't like video games (Myst fans <g>) seem
to like Mario 64 and Mario Kart...
> >Just about any adventure game from Sierra -- I don't know why
> >the damn things sold so well, esp. in America. Lucasart's
> >adventures kicked the stuffing out of them.
>
> Man, I'm sorry, I loved the early KQ stuff.
Ah...the days of point-and-click adventuring with static screens :)
I never was a participant...
Peace to you.
Terrence
Joshua Kaufman
Jeff Rubin wrote:
> Underated:
> Oh boy, I got a lot of these
>
>
>
Joshua Kaufman
Pax Dickinson wrote:
>
> Darien Allen <darie...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in article
> <676oih$4...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> > <sli...@websling.demon.co.uk.remove.this> wrote:
> >
> > >Myth -- I still can't figure out how it's sold so much.
> >
> > Tell me about it. Nice pictures, incredible abstract puzzles, and it
> > sells great...hell I could have just invited people over my house, and
> > had them open and close windows and doors to find things....would have
> > charged em less too......
>
> sounds like you both mixed them up. They *really* should have called it
> something else, especially with Riven being released the same week.
>
Joshua Kaufman
Devilot wrote:
>
> My vote for the most under-rated games:
>
> Harvest Moon
> Breath of Fire II
> Lufia & the Fortress of Doom
> Albert Odyssey
> Keio Flying Squadron 2
> Cyberbots
just seemed to lose it's flare. But I don't think I've ever seen a
better introduction...
Chinh Nguyen
For underrated:
Why, Guardian Heroes. This game coulda sold the Saturn in the states.
But was there *one* commercial on television for it? One ad in the likes
of Babbages, Best Buy, EB, etc., etc.? One salesman who you talked to who
said, "This game makes the Saturn worth every penny?"
On the other hand, DieHard did give it the kudos it deserves, and so did
this newsgroup. Oddly, I think it got lukewarm reviews from many other
magazines, who made peculiar reversals. For instance, it's odd that it
averages 7.5/8 in EGM yet made their top 100 list (of all time, ITNSHO).
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Adrian Price
> BTW, I have a pack-in CD game called "Journeyman's Adventures" which
> feels disressingly like Myst as I've heard it described. Probably as
> boring, too :)
>
Only someone not intelligent enough to comprehend the dynamic plotline and
difficult puzzles could see Myst as boring. Journeyman's Adventures could
suck, never played it. Myst was cool though.
> Then again, even people who don't like video games (Myst fans <g>) seem
> to like Mario 64 and Mario Kart...
>
I'm a Myst fan and I love videogames. I have every N system other than VB,
and a PSX. Quit your idiotic clueless stereotyping that you have no
evidence to prove and try a real post.
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In article <34974E...@email.uc.edu>, Joshua Kaufman
<Kauf...@email.uc.edu> wrote:
> There is a game called Myth?? I myself thought it was just a typo...
>
Myth is the biggest game going right now! Its pretty much the next
warcraft, only more popular. Did you just crawl out of the ocean or
something?
Joshua Kaufman
Adrian Price wrote:
>
> In article <34974E...@email.uc.edu>, Joshua Kaufman
> <Kauf...@email.uc.edu> wrote:
>
> > There is a game called Myth?? I myself thought it was just a typo...
> >
> Myth is the biggest game going right now! Its pretty much the next
> warcraft, only more popular. Did you just crawl out of the ocean or
> something?
>
PSX releases comes from the 'net. I don't care about PC games really
anymore (except FF5 when it comes out), becuase I don't have a 3dfx
card.
Frank M. Goldman
David DAuria wrote in message <677k0v$4ag$1...@news1.bu.edu>...
>
>Oh please. Everybody knows what is EASILY the most over hyped game, Donkey
>Kong Country. Every bit as hyped as Mario 64 but DKC isn't even a decent
>game.(Yeah, DKC is as good as some of the best 32-bit stuff. That's why
>no magazine will now admit the scores they gave it.)
>
Sorry, I still think DKC is a great game. Overhyped? Probably. Almost
worthy of the hype? Definatley. It had great control, and the graphics
pushed the limit of what people thought the 16 bitters could do. DKC2 was
awesome too, although not as groundbreaking, and DKC 3, well, that was a
little old. And I for one think DKC AND DKC 2 are better than Crash
Bandicoot (the original, not the sequel) a 32 bit game that got high praise.
Colt Duncan
>
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Frank M. Goldman
Alright, here's my 2 cents on this whole thing. My vote for most overated
game would have to go to the Mortal Kombat series. I loved it when it first
came out, but I look at it now and I see a game with crappy graphics (I
think SF looks better and it was released around the same time) and almost
no control. I have to admit MK 2 was sort of fun for a while, but after
that it got worse and worse. My vote for most underated would have to be
the Lunar games. While there certainley are a lot of Lunar fans on the net,
it never has met with the success of the Final Fantasy series. It also
hasn't gotten much critical success either, if I can recall. I can't speak
for the rest of you, but I for one would rather have my copy of Lunar:EB
than my copy of FF7 any day. The Lunar series just has a charm that no
other game to this day has had.
Colt Duncan
Frank M. Goldman
Chinh Nguyen wrote in message <677k8g$5...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>...
>For underrated:
>
>Why, Guardian Heroes. This game coulda sold the Saturn in the states.
>But was there *one* commercial on television for it? One ad in the likes
>of Babbages, Best Buy, EB, etc., etc.? One salesman who you talked to who
>said, "This game makes the Saturn worth every penny?"
>
YES! Finally someone who agree's that GH was a greatly underated game! This
was the deciding factor in which system to get, even though I hadn't played
it before buying it. Something about it just told me that it would be
great. It's still, to this day my favorite Saturn game. And, one of the
only games I still pull out to play through once in a while. I really wish
we could somehow get a GH 2...
>On the other hand, DieHard did give it the kudos it deserves, and so did
>this newsgroup. Oddly, I think it got lukewarm reviews from many other
>magazines, who made peculiar reversals. For instance, it's odd that it
>averages 7.5/8 in EGM yet made their top 100 list (of all time, ITNSHO).
>--
>--Chinh Nguyen chin...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
>
>"I was never more hated than when I tried to be honest. Or when, even as
> just now I've tried to articulate exactly what I felt to be the
> truth." -- Ralph Ellison, _The Invisible Man_
Colt Duncan
Teh Kao Yang
My lists are not long..
Most OVERRATED game(s) of all time
Donkey Kong Country 1-3 (responsible for starting the wave of pre-rendered
crap games that hasn't stopped yet)
Most underrated games of all time
Contra Hard Corps - This is without doubt the most incredible 16bit game
ever made. Yes I think it's more amazing than Gunstar Heroes.
Ninja Warriors Again - One of the coolest and slickest 2D action games that
never got much attention.
-TK
ME@MY-PC
Overrated:
Mario 64
FF7
Madden 98
NBA live 98
Underated:
Goldeneye 007
Destruction derby 2
NCAA Gamebreaker 98
Diehard Trilogy
Eternal champions (SEGA CD)
Just my $0.02
EViLwebs
Pax Dickinson wrote:
>
>
> How many more people are going to be confused between Myth and Myst. It
> sounds like you both mixed them up. They *really* should have called it
> something else, especially with Riven being released the same week.
>
Auggghhh shit! I can't believe I got that wrong! Yes, now I recall,
Myth was the classic Commodore 64 game by System 3. Now that WAS an
under-rated classic of yesteryear :) :)
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these words:
>As for Quake, Darien, weren't you the one who waived support for the
>N64's multiplayer capabilities? I, for one, believe a game should be
>defined by its SINGLE-PLAYER capabilities, unless the multiplayer options
>are possible with CPU-controlled players, as in WCW vs. the World and
>Goldeneye.
Yup, and I stand by that multi-player capabilities had NO bearing on
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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:14 GMT, ska...@JABBAntr.net (Skadar) wrote:
>Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
This one's easy: Quake and Quake
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Oh please. Everybody knows what is EASILY the most over hyped game, Donkey
Kong Country. Every bit as hyped as Mario 64 but DKC isn't even a decent
game.(Yeah, DKC is as good as some of the best 32-bit stuff. That's why
no magazine will now admit the scores they gave it.)
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JVoovits 3
I think the most underrated game of all time goes back to the NES. The game is
Metal Gear. Metal gear is a great war game that made you use your brains as
well as it requiring skill. Also, for a nes game at the time it came out it was
HUGE. several different buildings to explore tons of different weapons and a
very interesting storyline. Metal Gear gets my vote for the most underrated
game of all time.
Darien Allen
And the holy hosts all joined in as t...@knilhtrae.2nairda (Adrian
Price) gifted us with these words:
>Only someone not intelligent enough to comprehend the dynamic plotline and
>difficult puzzles could see Myst as boring. Journeyman's Adventures could
>suck, never played it. Myst was cool though.
Oh please, do you WANT someone to flame you for idiotic statements
like this? Of course not everyone is into the type of game that Myst
is....all you are doing here is setting yourself up for
failure/flames.
Charles Miller Jr.
Darien Allen <darienno...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in article
<677n5e$c...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
hell yeah....
"Ok! Cool! Lets slap a plot on the eyecandy puzzle game!!!"
IloveJLH1
Oh man, this is a tuffie. If I leave any out, I'm sorry. Console only, we'd be
here all day if we mentioned PC.
Most underrated, in no particular order.
Willy Beamish (Sega CD)
Not that it was a stellar game, but back then the only games so involving
involved monsters and demons.
Snatcher (Sega CD)
It only took one day/night to beat, but it was one of the best one night video
game stands ever.
Street Fighter II (Arcade)
I know I said console, but I couldn't help it. I know it is well respected
and everything, but it changed gaming completely. It's like PacMan of the
ninetees.
Crash and Burn (3DO)
I've yet to play a racing game I liked better. Beat that.
And now, most overrated:
NFL Gameday (Sony Playstation)
Not even football game of the year. Madden 96 on Genesis was clearly better.
No eye candy for me, thank you.
Sonic series (Genesis)
Yeah, go faster. That's fun...
Actraiser (SNES)
Not a bad game, just not as good as I expected.
Mortal Kombat 1 (Arcade/all systems)
I agree with earlier posts (I don't quote multiposts) It played like crap.
Mortal Kombat 2, however, was a gem.
If any more come to me, I'll post them later. Email or post if you have the
same or different opinions.
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friendships the way you did before you got hurt." -Jack (Ben Affleck) from
Glory Daze.
SAInt
Jason Iannuzzi wrote:
>
> >1) Herzog Zwei
> >
> >Do any of you know what this is?
> >
>
> Yes, this is the grandaddy of all RTS games. From what I've been told, it
> was the first video game to demonstrate the whole RTS idea. I believe it
> was available only on Sega Genesis. Played it once, but never quite got the
> hang of it.
The game was relatively simple, but if you get good enough the game goes
to a stalemate, fortifying your fortress and claim/reclaiming bases...
It's
underrated for a good reason. Nothing to be hype about as some nostalgic
fans would do.
> Most Underrated:
>
> Ultima 7: Huge, just an incredibly huge game. I put so many hours into
> this game it hurt. I still haven't finished it, but it's damn fun.
Too bad the damn bugs forced me to cheat in the end. The fighting was
terrible unless I was using explosion spell all the time.
> C&C: It got a lot of heat for a lot of things, but even now, it seems
> so well balanced, and the multiplayer games are still fun. It deserved more
> credit for putting the spotlight squarely on the RTS genre.
I like Dune 2 better because it has *3* factions based on rich,
imaginative
universe. I'm not sure why Westwood not choose to follow up with a
sequel...
Au Revoir.
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My votes for most over-rated game:
Warcraft 2 -- It was fun for a little bit and then it got boring. It's not
that I don't like RTS games(I love Total annihilation), but... I guess I
just didn't get it.
Most under-rated games:
Wing Commander 3 -- It doesn't get teh praise it deserves. It nicely
balances FMV and gameplay, which incidently was closer to the gameplay of
the first game than the second one was. It had a good branching storyline
All pinball machines -- Games where skill will keep you playing
indefinitely and is rewarded with free games. Very few games outside this
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Underrated games:
Grindstormer (Genesis) This intense vertical shooter got mediocre reviews
and seemed to descend immediately to the bargain bins. I consider it one
of the top shooters on the Genesis (although not quite at the level of
M.U.S.H.A.) I particularly liked the different types of "drone" guns. With
one configuration, you could adjust the spread of your shots from a wide
spray to a concentrated blast. Another homed in on enemies.
Flood (Amiga): I have yet to play a platform game that I liked as much as
this one. I think that it was published by Bullfrog. Perfect combination
of platform and puzzle elements. Your character could climb (most) walls
and ceilings (a feature that attracted much praise when it later appeared
in Gex). And the rising water (a feature that was later used to similarly
good effect in a Sonic game) made the puzzles time-dependent and added an
element of urgency. Lots and lots of levels, and a great ending.
to...@no_spam.com
I knew this thread would degenerate into a pile of shitty personal
comments... especially considering that it crosses PC _and_ console
newsgroups. Stupid.
In rec.games.video.sony EViLwebs
<sli...@crapsling.demon.co.uk.remove.this> wrote:
> Hmmm,
> Most over-rated/over-hyped games (in no particular order):
> Tomb Raider -- Sold on the strengths of a bimbo's chest.
Not everybody would agree with you entirely. Many would consider this a
ground-breaking game on the PSX, especially those who don't have a decent,
modern PC. And even more are singing the praises of Tomb Raider II, both
on PC and PSX.
> Resident Evil -- Did nothing that Bioforge or AITD didn't.
I don't recognize Bioforge from PSX gaming. And if "AITD" stands for
"Alone in the Dark", not only did Resident Evil on PSX exceed the original
PC AITD, but the PSX version of AITD blew the big one.
So, speak for yourselves, you crowd of presumptuous chest-beaters... :)
Joseph M Leonard
kwarlord (kwar...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Joseph M Leonard wrote in message <3496e...@oit.umass.edu>...
: >Here's my list:
: >
: >Over-rated:
: >Mario 64
: >FF3
: >Chrono Trigger
: >Tetris (folks, it isn't THAT deep... I think Baku Baku is much deeper)
: >Any Castlevania game except Castlevania 2 for NES.
: >FirePro Wrestling
: >Just about any N64 game
:
: This must be from a Playstation drone. There are plenty of N64 games that
: are ten times better than the best Playstation game! (not counting Final
: fantasy 7)
:
: All of those games you mentioned, except for Tetris, got no more praise than
: they actually earned.
A Playstation drone? Are you kidding? Look at my sig. I'm obviously a
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M. Keane wrote:
>All pinball machines -- Games where skill will keep you playing
>indefinitely and is rewarded with free games. Very few games outside this
>genre do this.
I wholeheartedly agree. There used to be an unwritten rule with video games:
the better you are, the longer you can play. Nowadays, every new arcade release
is either a racing, fighting, or shooting game; and you'll be lucky to play for
longer than ten minutes on a 75 cent investment, no matter how skillful you
are. The game ends when you win.
Pinball games require more actual skill (as opposed to memorization of
techniques or patterns) than video games do. They reward the player for both
strategy and reflexes. And, unlike video games, there are actually GOOD pinball
games based on movies. (The Lost World pinball game kills the The Lost World
PSX game stone cold dead) Besides, with those animated screens, pinball games
could be considered video games with real-time physics. It's a pity that
there's no real way to reproduce pinball at home.
Skadar
On 16 Dec 1997 22:24:56 GMT, k...@trdlnk.com (Ken Small) hastily
mentioned:
>Overrated games:
>
>Zelda-- Link's Awakening: I really, really wanted to like this one.
>I'm, always on the lookout for good GB games, and this was supposedly
>one of the best. Having never played Zelda, I didn't realize that the
>game was an exercise in repetive simplistic combat and busywork.
>
>SNES Mario Kart (single player): Battle mode is worth getting this
>game for, but I found the single player game pretty lacking.
Woah, I thought I was treading on hallowed ground by stating that
Final Fantasy II and III for the SNES were severely overrated. You
are getting downright blasphemous with your choices of Zelda and Super
Mario Kart! :)
To me, Zelda and SMK are two games that shine with quality, and
therefore deserve their accolades. Zelda does involve a lot of
gathering and trading items, but this is entwined with two more
significant aspects of the game: 1) The story, and 2) the wonderfuly
puzzling Prince-of-Persia style dungeons. To be honest with you, I am
currently playing Zelda - Links Awakening for the first time on a new
GB! I played the SNES version long ago and loved it. The GB version
is equally as good... perhaps better in some ways.
Super Mario Kart is just such a solid game. Single player or battle
mode. Either way it achieved a level of fun and just stayed there...
it never got old.
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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:45:11 +0000, EViLwebs
<sli...@websling.demon.co.uk.remove.this> wrote:
>
>Myth -- I still can't figure out how it's sold so much.
>
I hope you mean Myst, not Myth (which is excellent btw.)
Alex
Skadar
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:13:48 -0800, Marc
<BASS...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> hastily mentioned:
>Joshua Kaufman wrote:
>>
>> Skadar wrote:
>> >
>> > Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
>> > only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms. Here are some
>> > of my personal favorites [sic].
>> >
>> > 1) Almost anything from Squaresoft-
>> >
>> > Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy III for SNES - These games bored
>> > me to death and made me scream at the screen solely because of the
>> > atrocious dialogue and translation. "Make a landing here!" "You do
>> > one damages to monster." Why can't Square simply hire a native
>> > English speaking editor!? Anyone could have done it.
>> >
>> > The only thing they have going for them is the music, which is
>> > generally excellent. Final Fantasy II gets my vote for the "Worst and
>> > Most Boring Intro Sequence of All Time". These are just two generally
>> > horrible games that many people have latched onto primarily due to
>> > word of mouth and lack of anything better.
>>
>> Well, since we're going on opinions, I'll say I absolutly disagree with
>> you. I would put theese two toward the top of the list of the best games
>> of all time. True FF2's translation was horrible ("You spoony
>> bard..."), but both of theese games just had "it". They are the type of
>> game that, IMO, you can play again and agian, even when you know the
>> plot. Maybe it's the music, maybe it's the ATB, but theese two games are
>> the reason I never sold my Snes.
>
>This is something to the effect I was going to say at first, only I was
>a little more harsh to the original poster so I decided against posting
>it (I really don't like to start fights). Almost every Square game
>(except Secret of Evermore, FF:MQ, and SMRPG) is a great epic tale IMO,
>and most of them deserve to be mentioned with some of the all-time great
>RPGs, if not the all-time great games. I wish more of their work had
>been put out here (as do many others I assume [like Seiken Densetsu 3 or
>some of the RS games]). Their games are not over-rated, but quality in
>the truest sense of the word. Like Joshua, these are the kind of games
>that are the reason I never parted with my SNES. If in fact the
>original poster does like RPG games (I am assuming he doesn't), I would
>like to know which ones he enjoys.
>
>Marc
Well Marc, to be honest with you, I WAS a serious RPG addict at one
time. I am no longer. Reason being... there are so many excellent
games out there today on all platforms that I simply don't have time
to invest in an RPG (although Fallout is really calling me, :) ).
I first started computer gaming with RPGs. My first computer game I
ever bought was Ultima III for the Apple II+. It cost me $52 back in
1983 or something. That game occupied my time on and off for nearly a
year! No joke. I played it to the end with no cheats and no Internet
FAQs or walkthroughs.
Next, I moved on to Wasteland, which was EXCELLENT but much quicker
than Ultima III. Then I got into 2400 A.D. and Space Rogue. After
that I played every SSI TSR Gold Box AD&D game that I could get my
hands on. Oh yeah, Bard's Tale was thrown in there somewhere too.
I got into console gaming with the Atari 2600, with a giant gap until
I bought a Genesis. I played Shadowrun (which I loved) and an AD&D
game (which I liked) on the Genesis. I also played the "Shining"
series, Shining in the Darkness and Shining Forces (which I loved)! I
sold the Genesis and bought an SNES mostly for the much-hyped RPGs. I
played Zelda and loved it. I sought out the hard-to-find Final
Fantasy series games, played them... and felt sick to my stomach they
were so bad. It was such a chore to get through Final Fantasy II, but
I felt that I must do it just to see what everyone was talking about.
I only played FFIII about half way through.
Recently I obtained a Gameboy for the first time. I am currently
playing Zelda - Link's Awakening and I think it is incredible. I am
told that I should play the Final Fantasy series for GB and that I
should try to buy them even though they are hard to find. I have made
offers on the net to buy them for up to $40 each. The other day, I
downloaded the FF ROMS for a Gameboy emulator to "try-before-I-buy".
I am SOOOO glad that I did. From what I saw, they are equally as
horrible as the SNES versions. The dialogue had me screaming at the
screen in no time. Gah... they are hideous.
But, of course, I realize that I am in the minority and I accept that.
:)
Cheers!
Skadar
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:04:30 -0500, Kill...@usa.DONTSPAMEME.net
(Jeff Rubin) hastily mentioned:
>ska...@JABBAntr.net pounded his head on the keyboard. The result was.....
>> Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
>> only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms.
>
>Overrated games:
>
>WaveRace- Almost anything on N64 is overrated. Except GoldenEye. That's
>fun.
Gotta disagree. Although I agree with your statement that MOST
everything on the N64 is overrated (we N64 owners are simply starving
for good games), WaveRace 64 is actually the one game that is severely
UNDERrated. :)
WaveRace 64 is an extremely solid package that just oozes with
quality. Everything about it is top-notch. The only "problem" I have
with it, is that I want more tracks... but this actually speaks
towards how much I really like the game. I feel the same way about
Goldeneye... I want more levels. WaveRace 64 will be one of those
games that will always live in my heart and produce good memories when
I play it. And since it is a racer, it never gets old. It is
infinitely re-playable.
>Quake- It's doom, but with not creative weapons and better graphics. I am
>downloading the Quake2 demo as we speak, maybe it will be better.
Definitely overrated. It just wasn't that good. Duke shines in
comparison... unless you are a graphics-phile.
>Underated:
>
>You Don't Know Jack- I command all who are reading this post to go to
>www.bezerk.com and try the You Don't Know Jack net show. It's so damn
>good. Berkly Systems should be sending me a check. After playing the game
>at my house, 5 of my friends all got different version of Jack. It's just
>so much fun.
EXACTLY!!! YDKJ is one of the few games that DEMANDS that you buy it
after you play the demo. Once you play that demo, you are freakin
hooked. Simply an awesome game, even though it has a finite
playability.
I am excited that I recently WON You Don't Know Jack TV in a Gamespot
contest last week. It should be arriving in the mail some time in the
near future. Can't wait!
Skadar
On 17 Dec 1997 07:12:16 GMT, ae...@u.washington.edu (M. Keane) hastily
mentioned:
>My votes for most over-rated game:
>
>Warcraft 2 -- It was fun for a little bit and then it got boring. It's not
>that I don't like RTS games(I love Total annihilation), but... I guess I
>just didn't get it.
Gah! This is easily one of my all-time favorite games. I am also
currently playing Total Annihilation and loving it, but Warcraft II
was king until TA came along. I would still heartily recommend
Warcraft II to ANYBODY interesting in gaming.
>All pinball machines -- Games where skill will keep you playing
>indefinitely and is rewarded with free games. Very few games outside this
>genre do this.
I really have to agree with you here! Pinball machines are just DAMN
fun. I used to play them as a kid, but then they faded away and video
machines took over. I was re-introduced to them (and re-hooked) when
Williams came out with the awesome Indiana Jones and Star Wars pinball
machines! Getting free games is always nice. I only wish there was
some way (besides having a lot of space and a lot of money) where you
could enjoy these machines at home.
terrell gibbs
In article <678r94$n...@nr1.calgary.istar.net>, toto@no_spam.com wrote:
#> Tomb Raider -- Sold on the strengths of a bimbo's chest.
#
#Not everybody would agree with you entirely. Many would consider this a
#ground-breaking game on the PSX, especially those who don't have a decent,
#modern PC. And even more are singing the praises of Tomb Raider II, both
#on PC and PSX.
Actually, Tomb Raider sold because it was one of the first successful 3rd
person adventures in a 3D environment. Technically, it was extraordinarily
well done, providing a stable 3D world, with little pop-up and a good
frame rate, even on consoles and moderately powered PCs. The focus on the
protagonist's...ah...physical attributes came after the game was already a
success. Level design is quite good, and the Lara's ability to climb
provided a level of exploration matched in few other titles. There now
seems to be a bit of a backlash, based upon the overemphasis of the title
character. It also does not appeal to fans of Doom-type action games
(which it superficially resembles, aside from the 3rd person aspect), as
it is primarily an exploration game, and even the sparse action sequences
tend to emphasize the puzzle (how can I kill the animal before he gets to
me) rather than the action aspects of the conflict.
tbr...@trinity.edu
In article <ten-161297...@1cust198.tnt19.lax3.da.uu.net>,
t...@knilhtrae.2nairda (Adrian Price) wrote:
>
> In article <882327846...@dejanews.com>, tbr...@trinity.edu wrote:
>
> > BTW, I have a pack-in CD game called "Journeyman's Adventures" which
> > feels disressingly like Myst as I've heard it described. Probably as
> > boring, too :)
> >
> Only someone not intelligent enough to comprehend the dynamic plotline and
> difficult puzzles could see Myst as boring. <
Or someone too intelligent to bother stereotyping those who don't like
the game. Calm down.
> Journeyman's Adventures could suck, never played it. Myst was cool though. <
It's all good, then.
> > Then again, even people who don't like video games (Myst fans <g>) seem
> > to like Mario 64 and Mario Kart...
> >
> I'm a Myst fan and I love videogames. I have every N system other than VB,
> and a PSX. Quit your idiotic clueless stereotyping that you have no
> evidence to prove and try a real post.
Sigh. The smilies and grins were there for a reason. I don't flame, and
would never do so even to prove a point.
Again, calm down.
Terrence
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tbr...@trinity.edu
In article <677fmg$g...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
darienno...@nospamhotmail.com (Darien Allen) wrote:
>
> And the holy hosts all joined in as tbr...@trinity.edu gifted us with
> these words:
>
> >As for Quake, Darien, weren't you the one who waived support for the
> >N64's multiplayer capabilities? I, for one, believe a game should be
> >defined by its SINGLE-PLAYER capabilities, unless the multiplayer options
> >are possible with CPU-controlled players, as in WCW vs. the World and
> >Goldeneye.
>
> Yup, and I stand by that multi-player capabilities had NO bearing on
> my purchase of the N64.
Okay. But did it have any bearing on your (possible) purchase of Quake
and/or a decision to upgrade your computer? Just curious...
Peace to you.
cro...@ibm.net
In <wqaktmcrkjemtk.pminews@master>, "Kevin Diller" <kdi...@vastnet.com> writes:
>#3 Entrepreneur (Stardock) 1997. www.stardock.com
>I've seen almost no coverage of this game but its originality strikes me as
>something you'd think would have been done before but hasn't. Using FUD and
>Magic the Gathering type game elements to take over the world. Also an
>amazing game.
Have you ever played Galatic Civ for OS/2 by Stardock Systems
(makers of Entrepreneur)??? I LOVED that game. It tooks hours of my life
away. It was voted "Internet Game of the Year", the first year the awards
were taken..
Edward/2 * [Team OS/2]
Mars Attacks! - "Do not run. We are your friends.... Do not run we..."
"Look Ma! No hands!"
This message was dictated by VoiceType Dictation for OS/2!
The Ogre
I have to defend Final Fantasy VII here for a minute. I don't think the
game was overrated. The game has a epic storyline, set in a fully
living world, for one. It introduces a new and more complicated, but
ultimately, rewarding magics system & limit breaks (stolen from wild
arms it seems). Final Fantsay VII raised the standard for all rpg's to
come now. Graphically, and technically, it is a great rpg. Some people
are bound _not_ to like it, and that is ok. But at least recognize that
it is a ground-breaking step for rpg's.
the ogre
Darien Allen
On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:01:57 -0600, tbr...@trinity.edu wrote:
>> Yup, and I stand by that multi-player capabilities had NO bearing on
>> my purchase of the N64.
>
>Okay. But did it have any bearing on your (possible) purchase of Quake
>and/or a decision to upgrade your computer? Just curious...
No, simply put. I'm not into multi-player games anywhere. Fighting
games, and the occasional MK, where the only multi-player stuff I ever
really got into. When it came time to purchase console/and or PC, the
idea of multi-playing never entered my thought process.
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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:04:50 -0800, "ME@MY-PC"
<mind...@intermind.net> wrote:
>Underated:
>Goldeneye 007
Considered underrated by whom? Not the stores that continually sell
it out, and have told me it's impossible to get one until AFTER
Xmas...not the owners, not any reviews I've seen.
cro...@ibm.net
In <3496a772...@202.152.0.241>, ska...@JABBAntr.net (Skadar) writes:
>Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
>of my personal favorites [sic].
1. Wipeout
2. The Tekken Series
>While I'm on the subject, I might as well cast my vote for the "Most
>Under-Rated Game of All Time".
1. Virtua Fighter 2
tbr...@trinity.edu
In article <19971217052...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
ilov...@aol.com (IloveJLH1) wrote:
>
> Oh man, this is a tuffie. If I leave any out, I'm sorry. Console only, we'd be
> here all day if we mentioned PC.
Heh. Back in the days when only PC gamers played PC games :)
> Most underrated, in no particular order.
> Willy Beamish (Sega CD)
> Not that it was a stellar game, but back then the only games so involving
> involved monsters and demons.
I'm kinda nervous about this one. Multiple-choice verbal retorts don't
appeal to me from a gameplay standpoint. The story'd better be good.
> Snatcher (Sega CD)
> It only took one day/night to beat, but it was one of the best one night video
> game stands ever.
I said that about Vice: Project Doom on the NES. Thing is, I spent six
hours and 80+ continues on a game I never should have been playing for so
long :)
> Street Fighter II (Arcade)
> I know I said console, but I couldn't help it. I know it is well respected
> and everything, but it changed gaming completely. It's like PacMan of the
> ninetees.
And what did Pac-Man do that was so important? :) I say, SF2 is the
Defender of the 90s. What? You didn't know Defender was the first
SCROLLING video game? :)
BTW, I still stand by my statement that SF2 (as stellar as it is) is a
single-plane Final Fight extension :)
> Crash and Burn (3DO)
> I've yet to play a racing game I liked better. Beat that.
Mario Kart? :P Hey, everyone else I know think the game's G*d or
something...
> And now, most overrated:
> NFL Gameday (Sony Playstation)
> Not even football game of the year. Madden 96 on Genesis was clearly better.
I've played Maden 96. The CPU's still dumb as dirt. How can I tell?
The off-guard running plays always give me at least 6 yards, and my
Quick-Outs always give me 10-20. I can avoid using those plays, but I
guess I'm just too good for the game :)
BTW, what's missing from Gameday? The running game seems to be pretty
good, in that you actually have to manuever through the hole isntead of
just pressing buttons to get through as I've done in Madden. I guess the
AI is the real test.
> No eye candy for me, thank you.
> Sonic series (Genesis)
> Yeah, go faster. That's fun...
Well, it's also somewhat bouncy. That's fun for some folks.
> Actraiser (SNES)
> Not a bad game, just not as good as I expected.
Man! I *totally* forgot to tear into this game in my last reply. Okay,
the game wasn't that bad, but it was numbingly simple to me. The
Populous-style mode was too simplistic (I didn't expect Simcity or
anything, but I expected more), and the action modes needed to be a lot
more challenging. Even the "Professional" mode isn't that big of a deal.
The graphis still kick-a*s, even by tday's standards, and the music 9what
little of it there was) is very well-done. Yuzo Koshiro really had a
knack for smoothly flowing -- to the point of overflowing -- melodies
with all the SNES's sound channels.
Yet another plug for the video game music mailing list...
> Mortal Kombat 1 (Arcade/all systems)
> I agree with earlier posts (I don't quote multiposts) It played like crap.
> Mortal Kombat 2, however, was a gem.
Eh...more like fool's gold :) Better than MK1 with the extra special
moves and characters, but the fighting engine was still lame. No
heirarchy of moves, as stated, and no distinction between characters
outside of the special moves. Heck, everyone pretty much seemed to have
the same speed, and the same jumping ability. Beating an opponent
without using special moves meant the exact same strategies applied to
other fighters.
> If any more come to me, I'll post them later. Email or post if you have the
> same or different opinions.
See above :)
Peace to you...
tbr...@trinity.edu
In article <677r3o$1vn$1...@nntp.pe.net>,
"Frank M. Goldman" <fra...@pe.net> wrote:
>
>
> David DAuria wrote in message <677k0v$4ag$1...@news1.bu.edu>...
> >
> >Oh please. Everybody knows what is EASILY the most over hyped game, Donkey
> >Kong Country. Every bit as hyped as Mario 64 but DKC isn't even a decent
> >game.(Yeah, DKC is as good as some of the best 32-bit stuff. That's why
> >no magazine will now admit the scores they gave it.)
Sure they do. VideoGames gave it a 10 in playability. Gamepro gave it a
perfect table. NextGen probably gave it at least four stars. And on...
BTW, I liked DKC as a Mario clone, and I give it its props as a
well-constructed one.
> Sorry, I still think DKC is a great game. Overhyped? Probably. Almost
> worthy of the hype? Definatley. It had great control, and the graphics
> pushed the limit of what people thought the 16 bitters could do. DKC2 was
> awesome too, although not as groundbreaking, and DKC 3, well, that was a
> little old. And I for one think DKC AND DKC 2 are better than Crash
> Bandicoot (the original, not the sequel) a 32 bit game that got high praise.
The graphics WERE the hype, and they were (and are) astounding. The
gameplay was what got me in the end, and as stated, I liked the game.
Despite how many gamers seem to slam on it. More Doom with invincibility
codes, anyone? :)
Peace to you...
Terrence
> Colt Duncan
>
> >
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> >|David D'Auria | Hanks and Hoffman, living proof you can
> |
> >|dau...@csa.bu.edu | win an Oscar for acting like an idiot.
> |
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2 The Limit
Here are some games I think are overrated:
Mortal Kombat 4 (Good, but MK's getting OLD- let it be the last)
Loaded (what's so good about it?)
Sky Target (Overrated is putting it lightly- it really SUCKS!)
Sega Touring Car (Where'd we get the choppy frame rate?)
Mace The Dark Age (I really liked it at first, but this didn't last)
Primal Rage (It should NEVER have left the arcades)
Contra: L.O.W. (The graphics look 32x-ish, and it's not quite Contra)
Quartet on Master System (It isn't the arcade- only 6 levels)
And some UNDERRATED ones...
Raystorm
KOF'97 (Why the hell does no arcade near me have it...yet?)
Darius Gaiden (If you see it in one of the bargain bins for $8-15,
you might as well get it- it was worth the $60 I paid!)
Metal Slug (it sure kills Contra:Legacy of War)
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:49:10 -0800, Marc
<BASS...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> spoke forth:
>kwarlord wrote:
>>
>> Joseph M Leonard wrote in message <3496e...@oit.umass.edu>...
>> >Here's my list:
>> >
>> >Over-rated:
>> >Mario 64
>> >FF3
>> >Chrono Trigger
>> >Tetris (folks, it isn't THAT deep... I think Baku Baku is much deeper)
>> >Any Castlevania game except Castlevania 2 for NES.
>> >FirePro Wrestling
>> >Just about any N64 game
>>
>> This must be from a Playstation drone. There are plenty of N64 games that
>> are ten times better than the best Playstation game! (not counting Final
>> fantasy 7)
>
>All in your opinion, of course.
>
>>
>> All of those games you mentioned, except for Tetris, got no more praise than
>> they actually earned.
>
>So says you.....
>
>>
>> >
>> >Under-rated:
>> >Need for Speed (I still think this is the best Saturn racer)
>> >Uniracers
>> >and... any other game in my sig that wasn't popular.
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>>
>> my picks for overrated games:
>>
>> Parrapa the Rappa. OH MY GOD! People actually liked this crap?!
>>
>> Diddy Kong Racing. <sarcasm> well, if it is from Rare than it MUST be good!
>> </sarcasm> After playing this, I had to get my stomach pumped from all of
>> the cutesy sugary gameplay and graphics.
>>
>> Doom64. Too dark. I needed to max out the brightness on my TV just to see
>> the !@#$% thing!
>>
>> Most underrated game:
>>
>> Heroes of Might and Magic 2: The Succession Wars. I must have played that
>> demo all freakin day and it was only one map! I am very glad that I now have
>> the Compendium set (HoMM1, HoMM2, Price of Loyalty expansion for HoMM2).
>
>HOMM2 was not underrated. It got numerous strategy game awards from
>many game magazines and was the talk of the newsgroups when it came out.
>It got the hype it deserved.
>
>Marc
modo...@earthlink.net
In article <676kpc$csg$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, "Charles Miller Jr."
<cwmil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> most over rated.... easy
>
> 1) Mario 64
>
> Not that it is bad, but come on... best game ever? No way.
>
> 2) Sonic 1
>
> All that glitter ain't gold
Although I disgree about FF7 and Mario64 also because there two of my
all time fav I won't bother defending them . But Sonic 1 really never gets
credit anymore. At the time of its release there was nothing like it out.
Sure Super Mario World came out close to the time it was out and had more
depth in gameplay but for pure fun and speed Sonic 1 was unmatched. I
was even starting to question whether SNES could produce that same type
of Sonic speed in their console until at least Metriod SNES came out and
proved it could output that speed in a side scroller. Also Sonic was cool
and cute it was an excellenet change of pace and brought new life into
home gaming systems. It was just an original game that made me go
out and buy the Genesis when I barely knew anything about Sega.
all of course is my opinion and many will disagree.
Frank M. Goldman
ME@MY-PC wrote in message <34975D...@intermind.net>...
>Underated:
>Goldeneye 007
WHAT?!? Goldeneye underated??? C'mon, every single IGN magazine gave that
game an almost perfect score and you say it's underated? Note: I'm not
bashing Goldeneye, I happen to think it deserves every bit of praise it's
gotten. Calling it underated though is wrong, unless you're talking about
hype it got before it was released. In that case, yes, it was.
Colt Duncan
David Han
In article <677t9k$b...@crl.crl.com>, teh...@crl.crl.com (Teh Kao Yang) wrote:
> My lists are not long..
>
> Most OVERRATED game(s) of all time
>
> Donkey Kong Country 1-3 (responsible for starting the wave of pre-rendered
> crap games that hasn't stopped yet)
The first one was pretty good, and say what you will about the trend, it
did set a new trend, but yeah, I didn't really see the need for 2 sequels.
> Most underrated games of all time
>
> Contra Hard Corps - This is without doubt the most incredible 16bit game
> ever made. Yes I think it's more amazing than Gunstar Heroes.
I didn't really like Contra: Hard Corps, but I'd second a nomination for
Gunstar Heroes.
I'm not sure if this was really under-rated, but I liked it alot and it
didn't do well in the US, Warsong, aka Langrisser. A strategy game, but not
that complex. The thing that really kept me into it was the characters, and
the branching character classes. I kept wanting there to be more, and more.
I should have gotten a Saturn for the sequels.
-dave han
--
David Han
ha...@bc.edu
ME@MY-PC
Darien Allen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:04:50 -0800, "ME@MY-PC"
> <mind...@intermind.net> wrote:
>
> >Underated:
> >Goldeneye 007
>
> Considered underrated by whom? Not the stores that continually sell
> it out, and have told me it's impossible to get one until AFTER
> Xmas...not the owners, not any reviews I've seen.
>
> -----------------
> "I shagged her rotten baby...YEAH!"
And the guy at EB told me it was not that good and after a few levels
it was like been there done that and thats not true with new objectives
and weapons each level this is the best "DOOM" style (as they say) game
out there. (IMHO)
ME@MY-PC
I guess your are right and I really should not say anything about FF7
or any other RPG when I don't like/play RPG games.
ME@MY-PC
Darien Allen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:04:50 -0800, "ME@MY-PC"
> <mind...@intermind.net> wrote:
>
> >Underated:
> >Goldeneye 007
>
> Considered underrated by whom? Not the stores that continually sell
> it out, and have told me it's impossible to get one until AFTER
> Xmas...not the owners, not any reviews I've seen.
>
> -----------------
> "I shagged her rotten baby...YEAH!"
>
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Well I mean you hear all the hype about Tomb raider 2 (Well deserved)
RE, RE2(great games can barely wait!!) Mario 64(not 4 me) Wcw....
and lots of games some good, some bad but you don't hear much about
007 when its the best game for the N64 (sorry PSX only fans I have and
like PSX, N64, & saturn)
Joshua Kaufman
> Sorry, I still think DKC is a great game. Overhyped? Probably. Almost
> worthy of the hype? Definatley. It had great control, and the graphics
> pushed the limit of what people thought the 16 bitters could do. DKC2 was
> awesome too, although not as groundbreaking, and DKC 3, well, that was a
> little old. And I for one think DKC AND DKC 2 are better than Crash
> Bandicoot (the original, not the sequel) a 32 bit game that got high >praise.
>
>
Well, I agree that DKC had great control. And it was better than your
average platformer. But it just didn't have that certain something that
(2-d) Mario games, and Castlevania games had. Oh, and I think the DKC2
was a waste, but DKC3 was actually really neat, and probably the best in
the series (but I haven't played DKL3 yet).
-Joshua
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- Kefka to Locke, TERRA, and Edgar in FF3us
"You spoony bard!"
- Tella to Edward in FF2us
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Frank M. Goldman wrote:
>
> Alright, here's my 2 cents on this whole thing. My vote for most overated
> game would have to go to the Mortal Kombat series. I loved it when it first
> came out, but I look at it now and I see a game with crappy graphics (I
> think SF looks better and it was released around the same time) and almost
> no control. I have to admit MK 2 was sort of fun for a while, but after
> that it got worse and worse. My vote for most underated would have to be
> the Lunar games. While there certainley are a lot of Lunar fans on the net,
> it never has met with the success of the Final Fantasy series. It also
> hasn't gotten much critical success either, if I can recall. I can't speak
> for the rest of you, but I for one would rather have my copy of Lunar:EB
> than my copy of FF7 any day. The Lunar series just has a charm that no
> other game to this day has had.
>
> Colt Duncan
Lunar:EB is a Sega CD game right? If so, than I'm out of luck in playing
it (on an emulator).
Joshua Kaufman
> Most under-rated games:
>
> All pinball machines -- Games where skill will keep you playing
> indefinitely and is rewarded with free games. Very few games outside this
> genre do this.
the thing untill the 80's.
Joshua Kaufman
The Ogre wrote:
>
> I have to defend Final Fantasy VII here for a minute. I don't think the
> game was overrated. The game has a epic storyline, set in a fully
> living world, for one. It introduces a new and more complicated, but
> ultimately, rewarding magics system & limit breaks (stolen from wild
> arms it seems). Final Fantsay VII raised the standard for all rpg's to
> come now. Graphically, and technically, it is a great rpg. Some people
> are bound _not_ to like it, and that is ok. But at least recognize that
> it is a ground-breaking step for rpg's.
>
> the ogre
Actually, the limit break system is totally different from the force
system in Wild Arms. But the limit break system is extraordiannly
similar to the system in Lufia 2.
Joshua Kaufman
> Although I disgree about FF7 and Mario64 also because there two of my
> all time fav I won't bother defending them . But Sonic 1 really never gets
> credit anymore. At the time of its release there was nothing like it out.
> Sure Super Mario World came out close to the time it was out and had more
> depth in gameplay but for pure fun and speed Sonic 1 was unmatched. I
> was even starting to question whether SNES could produce that same type
> of Sonic speed in their console until at least Metriod SNES came out and
> proved it could output that speed in a side scroller. Also Sonic was cool
> and cute it was an excellenet change of pace and brought new life into
> home gaming systems. It was just an original game that made me go
> out and buy the Genesis when I barely knew anything about Sega.
>
> all of course is my opinion and many will disagree.
Yeah, I agree. Even though Mario World (and Mario 3 more so) were better
games on th whole, I still found Sonic 1 and esp. 2 to just be plain
fun.
Gregory Jackson
Underrated:
Wasteland (I am considering Fallout too.)
StrikeFleet.
If anyone has a copy of StrikeFleet to get rid of, I am interested.
I got Wasteland on Interplays 10th anniversary CD. Loving it the second
time around.
Greg
Eric Harding
In article <3496EDCA...@gl.umbc.edu>, Mike Balkan <mba...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
>Are you kidding me? The opening to FF II was one of the best sequences I've
> ever
>seen. Furthermore, I hadn't heard
>pratically anything about either game before I played them, yet I was hooked as
> soon
>as I started playing them, and I still think they are two of the best games
> ever
>made. Maybe you're just not the RPG type.
>
Don't you mean Adventure game type? There is no role-playing in almost no
computer/console game that I've seen, and besides, the combat system in most
Squaresoft games suck.
Eric
Nick McIsaac
Pax Dickinson <p...@nospam.op.net> wrote in article
<01bd0a5d$cc5fab20$020101df@pax>...
> Charles Miller Jr. <cwmil...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
> <676kpc$csg$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>...
> >
> > most under rated
> >
> > 1) Herzog Zwei
> >
> > Do any of you know what this is?
Genesis game, you are a jet that can convert to a robot, you build units
to take over bases (infantry,anti-air,arnour).Quite fun through I never got
the resupply truck to work right.
Bryan Cord
On 17 Dec 1997 05:20:36 GMT, ilov...@aol.com (IloveJLH1) wrote:
Here's my picks for most underrated (no particular order):
Swordmaster (NES) - this game is a MASTERPIECE. Well, that might be
pushing it a bit, but it ain't half bad at any rate :). It's a shame
the thing is impossible to find these days..
Metalstorm (NES) - see above. The gravity flip was a really neat idea
that hasn't been copied nearly as much as it should have been.
Berzerk (2600) - I don't know what everyone has against this game.
Granted, it fails utterly as an arcade translation, but it's a
half-decent game in its own right. The higher levels even force you
to plan strategy a bit...
Rescue on Fractalus! (5200/8-bit) - Graphical tricks were done here
that many a game for a more powerful console would envy. The alien's
appearance always scares the crap out of me too :).
Rally X (Arcade) - It's really just a bigger, faster version of
Pac-Man. So why didn't Rally X catch on enough for someone to bother
with a console version?
I'll stop this before it gets really out of hand and move on to...
Most Overrated:
Pac-Man (pick a platform): I'm going to get flamed to a crisp for
this, I know. Sure, it was a great game, but did it really deserve
the scads and scads of sequels and knock-offs? Other maze/chase games
like Wizard of Wor and Rally X are more fun IMHO.
Donkey Kong (any platform): Never understood the appeal here. I'm
not really a fan of either of the sequels, either.
Mortal Kombat <X> (all platforms): Perfect example of "style over
substance" in video games. It got slightly more playable as the
series went on, but SFII was always two steps ahead of it (no blood
though!).
Anything but Goldeneye (N64): They all seem more like programming
examples than games to me (or just cheap shovelware and knockoffs).
And that spring-loaded analog joystick has to go...
All things Mario: Pac-man all over again. Miyamoto (sp?) is a heck
of a programmer, but the massive, multiplatform Mario series is just a
case of way too much of a good thing.
There are more in both categories, these all just seemed like the most
glaring. I'll quit griping now :).
Bryan Cord
Enjoy rambling reviews of obscure NES games? take a look at my page.
http://www.wserv.com/~bry/nes/
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Omega Rugal
Under-rated Games
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Toshinden 1 & 2 - Graphics and playability is a blast in its heyday. Did I
also mention
that the music is GREAT
Herzog Zwei
Toe Jam and Earl
Phantasy Star series
Empire of Angels 1 & 2 ( Don't think many of you have heard of it. )
Princess Maker 2
Tokimeki Memorial : Forever with You
C&C - Why many people still consider Warcraft II to be better than this is a
mystery
King of Fighters - Guess this is not popular in the States. Down here, it
rivals Capcom's
games.
Asuka 120% Burning Fest ( SAT ) - Great game but not many has heard of it.
Wild Guns
Most over-rated game
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Mario 64
Criticom ( Remember the ads? )
Omega Rugal
Do you remember the Phantasie line of quests for the PC around 1985-87? Those
were the very first computer games I played ( next to Dig Dug ).
Skadar wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:13:48 -0800, Marc
> <BASS...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> hastily mentioned:
>
> >Joshua Kaufman wrote:
> >>
> >> Skadar wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Any thoughts on this subject? Don't limit yourself to Nintendo games
> >> > only... I'm opening the forum to all gaming platforms. Here are some
> >> > of my personal favorites [sic].
> >> >
> >> > 1) Almost anything from Squaresoft-
> >> >
> >> > Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy III for SNES - These games bored
> >> > me to death and made me scream at the screen solely because of the
> >> > atrocious dialogue and translation. "Make a landing here!" "You do
> >> > one damages to monster." Why can't Square simply hire a native
> >> > English speaking editor!? Anyone could have done it.
> >> >
> >> > The only thing they have going for them is the music, which is
> >> > generally excellent. Final Fantasy II gets my vote for the "Worst and
> >> > Most Boring Intro Sequence of All Time". These are just two generally
> >> > horrible games that many people have latched onto primarily due to
> >> > word of mouth and lack of anything better.
> >>
> >> Well, since we're going on opinions, I'll say I absolutly disagree with
> >> you. I would put theese two toward the top of the list of the best games
> >> of all time. True FF2's translation was horrible ("You spoony
> >> bard..."), but both of theese games just had "it". They are the type of
> >> game that, IMO, you can play again and agian, even when you know the
> >> plot. Maybe it's the music, maybe it's the ATB, but theese two games are
> >> the reason I never sold my Snes.
> >
> >This is something to the effect I was going to say at first, only I was
> >a little more harsh to the original poster so I decided against posting
> >it (I really don't like to start fights). Almost every Square game
> >(except Secret of Evermore, FF:MQ, and SMRPG) is a great epic tale IMO,
> >and most of them deserve to be mentioned with some of the all-time great
> >RPGs, if not the all-time great games. I wish more of their work had
> >been put out here (as do many others I assume [like Seiken Densetsu 3 or
> >some of the RS games]). Their games are not over-rated, but quality in
> >the truest sense of the word. Like Joshua, these are the kind of games
> >that are the reason I never parted with my SNES. If in fact the
> >original poster does like RPG games (I am assuming he doesn't), I would
> >like to know which ones he enjoys.
> >
> >Marc
>
> Well Marc, to be honest with you, I WAS a serious RPG addict at one
> time. I am no longer. Reason being... there are so many excellent
> games out there today on all platforms that I simply don't have time
> to invest in an RPG (although Fallout is really calling me, :) ).
>
> I first started computer gaming with RPGs. My first computer game I
> ever bought was Ultima III for the Apple II+. It cost me $52 back in
> 1983 or something. That game occupied my time on and off for nearly a
> year! No joke. I played it to the end with no cheats and no Internet
> FAQs or walkthroughs.
>
> Next, I moved on to Wasteland, which was EXCELLENT but much quicker
> than Ultima III. Then I got into 2400 A.D. and Space Rogue. After
> that I played every SSI TSR Gold Box AD&D game that I could get my
> hands on. Oh yeah, Bard's Tale was thrown in there somewhere too.
>
> I got into console gaming with the Atari 2600, with a giant gap until
> I bought a Genesis. I played Shadowrun (which I loved) and an AD&D
> game (which I liked) on the Genesis. I also played the "Shining"
> series, Shining in the Darkness and Shining Forces (which I loved)! I
> sold the Genesis and bought an SNES mostly for the much-hyped RPGs. I
> played Zelda and loved it. I sought out the hard-to-find Final
> Fantasy series games, played them... and felt sick to my stomach they
> were so bad. It was such a chore to get through Final Fantasy II, but
> I felt that I must do it just to see what everyone was talking about.
> I only played FFIII about half way through.
>
> Recently I obtained a Gameboy for the first time. I am currently
> playing Zelda - Link's Awakening and I think it is incredible. I am
> told that I should play the Final Fantasy series for GB and that I
> should try to buy them even though they are hard to find. I have made
> offers on the net to buy them for up to $40 each. The other day, I
> downloaded the FF ROMS for a Gameboy emulator to "try-before-I-buy".
> I am SOOOO glad that I did. From what I saw, they are equally as
> horrible as the SNES versions. The dialogue had me screaming at the
> screen in no time. Gah... they are hideous.
>
> But, of course, I realize that I am in the minority and I accept that.
> :)
>
> Cheers!
> Skadar
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<mind...@intermind.net> gifted us with these words:
>Well I mean you hear all the hype about Tomb raider 2 (Well deserved)
>RE, RE2(great games can barely wait!!) Mario 64(not 4 me) Wcw....
>and lots of games some good, some bad but you don't hear much about
>007 when its the best game for the N64 (sorry PSX only fans I have and
>like PSX, N64, & saturn)
What do you mean you don't here the hype? The games sells out every
time it comes in...almost every magazine has given it high
marks...what do you want someone to deliver it to your door?
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JVoovits 3
for anyone who loves rpg's you must admit that the Shining Force series is
extremely underrated. From all the systems and games I have and have played,
SF1 and SF2 are myall-time favorites. They didn't get the recognition they
deserved. I also must cast a vote for Metal Gear for the NES being highly
underrated.
Ronald Spillman
Skadar (ska...@JABBAntr.net) wrote:
: >All pinball machines -- Games where skill will keep you playing
: >indefinitely and is rewarded with free games. Very few games outside this
: >genre do this.
: I really have to agree with you here! Pinball machines are just DAMN
: fun. I used to play them as a kid, but then they faded away and video
: machines took over. I was re-introduced to them (and re-hooked) when
: Williams came out with the awesome Indiana Jones and Star Wars pinball
: machines! Getting free games is always nice. I only wish there was
: some way (besides having a lot of space and a lot of money) where you
: could enjoy these machines at home.
Well, even tho' for the most part, it really ain't the same as playin'
'em in an arcade, there are some good ones out for the PC (some also
for the consoles) like Pro Pinball, Hyper 3d Pinball, the Ultra Pinball
series...I probably have nearly 100 separate tables on my CD-Roms...
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Ron Spillman
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TrasH
as for fighting games
most overated: MK3
most underated: Eternal Champions for SEGA CD
a saturn ver would have kicked ass
Hardset Head
My contributions.....
Under-rated games.
1. U.N. Squadron (SNES)
Is it just me, or was this shooter just ignored, in general? I was
surprised at what little press it got, even though it was a solid
translation of the arcade version, with added elements (like buying new
planes and such). I think it stands out as one of the best shooters ever
made, but again, it seems it was in the shadow of something else, I can't
quite place my finger on.
2. Secret of Evermore and Super Mario RPG (SNES)
It seems like these two Square America games were kind of silently
released, and then quickly dismissed and forgoten. I admit, Evermore was
far from pure Squaresoft quality, but I thought it had some of the most
impressive sound and graphics for any Zelda-esque game on the SNES, and
the time it was released in, seemed to be a time when the SNES was
beginning to become sterile of solid adventure titles. Same with Mario
RPG, which I thought was great. Short, and cutesy, but very impressive
graphics, and a soundtrack to rival the best, I thought. But it seemed
that people dismissed Mario RPG because of it's initial promise to be a
kids RPG (which I thought it was far from being...to difficult for
young'ns <g>).
3. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (PlayStation).
Is it me, or did this game come out with a bang, and then suddenly, there
was a hush? It seemed this game was released to raves from the fans, but
very quickly, the praise faded, and alot of people and reviewers seemed to
say "It's OK, but it's 2-D." I thought this game passed by people too
quickly....no one seemed to truly revel it it's great returns to the
masterful origins of the series. This game truly continued the
Castlevania series with style and dignity, and I'm fearing that the
Nintendo attempt to make a 3-D Castlevania, might not be all it could be.
Overrated games:
1. Tomb Raiders 1&2
These games seemed like overcomplex rehashes of Prince of Persia, with
guns and a 3-D environment. The adventure aspect was marred by the game
having far too many situations where you constantly forced into being
killed by something, and THEN figuring out how to pass it. Kind of a "die
and learn" philosphy that takes alot of the fun and challenge out of it.
Also, for a game where being immersed in you surroundings was paramount,
the blotchy graphics made it very hard to have things like depth
perception and clear views. I also thought it was pretty cheezy how
Eidos/Core essentially FED the whole "Lara Croft's figure is a
controversy" crap to the gaming media, who then made sure that from the
get-go, Croft's body was focused upon, more than the game itself.
2. Crash Bandicoot 1&2
For an attempt at making a platformer that could challenge the classic
scroller/adventure games Nintendo had been making with characters like
Mario, these games were pretty lame. Both games seemed like Donkey Kong
Country rip-offs, except those games had more levels and better control.
Crash's games seem to be designed around the dreaded "die and learn" style
of gaming, and seeming how well you could deal with the obviously flawed
control, by putting you into levels where getting over the flawed control
was part of the challenge.
3. Quake (PC)
I know someone has mentioned this already, but I figured I'd put in may 2
cents. The game was little more than "Doom 3" and although it featured
true 3-D, they didn't do much with it, and the whole game seemed rushed.
Very few levels when compared to Doom, they didn't implement a map
feature, and they failed to implement a level editor, which probably could
have increased the favorable reaction to it. Where as players and
professionals alike, made hundreds of add-ons for Doom games,even today,
it seems scarce by comparision the amount available for Quake. I also
noticed when it came out, people were drooling all over it and calling it
a masterpiece this and a masterpiece that, but almost EVERYONE failed to
recognize the fact the Quake was barely ANYTHING like what ID had promised
at the beginning of it's development. They originally had promised that
Quake would be set in the middle ages (with alot of fantasy background)
and that it would feature a way to interact with game by way of a VR
goggle device....
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King Jeff
Yeah, Myth definitely should be the most underrated game. It's great,
everyone who's played it for more than 5 minutes raves about it (it even
got good reviews). Still, I haven't heard much about it on the net.
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JVoovits 3 (jvoo...@aol.com) wrote:
: for anyone who loves rpg's you must admit that the Shining Force series is
Ahhhh... it's good to see you have some taste in games 'JVoovits3'
whoever you are. The Shining Force games were indeed excellent and
remain to be some of my personal favorites to this day. I highly enjoyed
Metal Gear as well for the NES. Maybe there is hope for you. ;) Check
out Lunar 1 & 2 and Phantasy Star 2 if you ever get the chance...
especially Lunar 2.--
jeffrey.powell
clearly a pack of saturn-loving playstation bashers.... ;-)
cro...@ibm.net wrote:
:
: 1. Wipeout
: 2. The Tekken Series
:
:
: >While I'm on the subject, I might as well cast my vote for the "Most
: >Under-Rated Game of All Time".
:
: 1. Virtua Fighter 2
:
Outpost, most over-rated, until release
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