10 Reasons why N64 will never beat PSX
Stuart Brierley
Mario wrote:
>
I've onlt picked the ones I had arguements against. The rest seemed fair enough.
> 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> =======================================================
>
> 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
Sound played from CD takes up a lot of space on the CD. Its just that there
is more space to use, so it can be. After all 78 minutes or so is about all that
can fit on a Cd.
>
> 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
Well I'm a 20 year old and I love the games on the N64. Perhaps I'm just a big kid
though.
>
> 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
Mario, WaveRace, Mario Kart, Starwing(/fox) and many more only on Nintendo (as it says
on the box)
Kevin Auld
Oh dear, more fun debating. Ihave an N64 and a PSX, so maybe I can be
more objective.
> 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
True. But, does it matter? Tekken2`s FMV is wonderful, but I never watch
it now.
> 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
At 250 GBP, with games at 50 GBP + the N64 is most certainly not aimed at
children, or even teenagers. As with the PSX, it`s a "cooltoy", aimed at
the 20`s earners.
> 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
True. What does this mean? More crap PC software flooding the PSX market?
Ho wmany PC converts ahve been good? C&C was "OK". All the good PSX stuff
is original.
As for the N64, no ports = more thought put into games.
> 4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
Actually, as Nintendo have been around since the 1930`s, they have about
the same experience. Mind you, of course, Sony have experience in a far
wider area. However, Nintendo have the games experience. Half a dozen of
one, 6 of the other.
> 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> a music CD on a N64!
True. But what sort of person / how many people would/ uses a PSX only
for music?
> 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
Zelda 64 has just been announced as a non-drive game. Oh dear, get the
facts straight.
> 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
true, partly because of the limited number available. And yes, the price
drop has done one huge thing for sony - it`s opened up the "parents
buying for children" market, which Sega and Nintendo (a few years ago)
had stitched up - a whole new audience. great move.
> 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
400 games? probably. the only ones I continually play are TK2, Wipeout
2097, Tempest X and Pandemonium. On the N64 I have PilotWings, Mario,
Wave race and Turok, and all are addictive as Tk2.
> 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
Whereas ypou prefer the simple porting of PC games to the PSX? You can`t
have two defiinitions of originality. And anyway, Tekken2 is hardly a new
concept, nor Tombraider, nor anything - it`s the implementation and
advancement that makes things new.
> 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
The PSX will never run Tekken3, without modifications. The others are
good, very good infact (tho I do have a PAL PSX and so am longingly
waiting for Soul), but there are other exclusives on the N64 - Mario for
example. It`s a new machine remember, with a limited number of decent
games, just like the PSX was whhen I bought one of theose.
Just my objective 2 cents.
Why argue? Both are good machines.
l8r
kevin
Mario
10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
=======================================================
1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
memory.
2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
a music CD on a N64!
6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
important is that their are plenty of games available for
you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
crap.
9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
very early 80s.
10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
=======================================================
Squirelly
Mario wrote in article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
>10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
>=======================================================
>
>1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
>
Anyway most people only ever watch the FMV scenes once and then skip past
them. ( There only really useful for shops rolling demos ).
>2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
>
I Don't know any children who can afford £250 and £70+ a game, do you ?
(by the way I am 25)
>3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>
I have a PC and most of the so called games are rubbish, with the exception
of Quake, and Tie Fighter.
>4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
>
Nintendo have one think, product recognition. No one else has had the name
Nintendo has in the Video gaming world, and no one ever will. People dont
say 'Johny is playing vide games', they say 'Johny is playing Nintendo'.
Simple as that, marketing does matter but Nintendo had the edge before Sony
even thought of creating a console.
>5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> a music CD on a N64!
>
Why, very expensive Cd-Player don't you think.
>6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
OK. But you can do a hell of a lot in 32Mb, most PSX games use more than
half the CD for Music, and the game only takes up about a quarter of whats
left, after you allow for the FMV and such. More space is not necessary if
you use the space youve got well.
>7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
>
The only reason for the playstation price drop seems to have been panic by
Sony just before the release of the N64. Could this be true, are Sony
running scared. Get a calendar and work out the dates, and judge for
yourself.
>8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
>
Yeh! did the PSX have 400 games out when it was first released, NO. The N64
is a completely new machine, not a so called established machine, make this
argument in another 12 months.
>9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
>
Almost every single game, on every format, for the last 5 years has been a
rehash on an already established theme, or genre. Why lie, at least
Nintendo are admitting that the games are newer versions of old games, not
just disguising the fact.
>10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>
Wuppy Do... Mario64, MarioKart64, WaveRace64 the list goes on. Nintendo
have always produced inovative, original, and exclusive games for all there
machines. This argument just doesn't stand up.
> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
>
>=======================================================
>
Anyway why argue, I use both, like both the arguments just dont stand up in
either ones favour. Well just have to see how the next twelve months pan
out.
Spider
Another letter full of crap. The N64 is a new machine with admittedly, few
games. Those few games, however, have provided the best in gaming
experiences. Mario64 is simply the best video game ever. Wave Race is the
best racing game ever. Tomb Raider, though good, is awkward (stupid camera
angles) and easy, compared to the monumental task, and graphic excellence
of Turok (even with the sporadic slowdown). Sure playstation is nice, but
if you want the best experiences, you must go 64.
Mario <ma...@nintendo.com> wrote in article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
>
> 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> =======================================================
>
> 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
>
> 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
>
> 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>
> 4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
>
> 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> a music CD on a N64!
>
> 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
> 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
>
> 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
>
> 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
>
> 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>
Red Ronin
Mario wrote:
> 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
Very little for the Saturn?
SimCity 2000 - PSX & Saturn
DOOM - N64, PSX & Saturn
Myst - PSX & Saturn
Tomb Raider 1 & 2 - PSX & Saturn
Mechwarrior - PSX & Saturn
Quake - N64, PSX & Saturn
Hexen 1 & 2 - PSX & Saturn
Command & Conquer - PSX & Saturn
Duke Nukem 3D - PSX & Saturn (N64?)
WarCraft - PSX & Saturn
Crusader No Remorse - PSX
X-Com - PSX
Descent - PSX
Wing Commander IV & V - PSX
> 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
Actually, 100% of all games introduced for the Nintendo64 will be on
cartridge. Some of them will offer enhancements by using 64DD for
customizing levels and other things (high scores, custom cars and
tracks, etc.). You will NEVER see a game running from 64DD without a
cartridge plugged into the top of the N64. You don't have to believe
me, but its true. Take care, happy gaming, enjoy life!
Toyoniya Hiyaku, Noromuoy!
Red Ronin, The Cybernetic Samurai
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Keith E. Young
Red Ronin (redr...@geocities.com) wrote:
: Mario wrote:
: > 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
: > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
: Very little for the Saturn?
: SimCity 2000 - PSX & Saturn
: DOOM - N64, PSX & Saturn
: Myst - PSX & Saturn
Unless I'm mystaken (sorry about the pun), Myst hasn't been released
for the PlayStation.
: Tomb Raider 1 & 2 - PSX & Saturn
These aren't PC ports. These were done at the same time as the
console counterparts.
: Mechwarrior - PSX & Saturn
: Quake - N64, PSX & Saturn
No quake yet, take this off the list.
: Hexen 1 & 2 - PSX & Saturn
Same as above.
: Command & Conquer - PSX & Saturn
I was surprised to see how screwed over the Saturn users were
concerning this title.....the PSX owners got almost twice as many
missions as the Saturn.....
: Duke Nukem 3D - PSX & Saturn (N64?)
All three will see Duke3D, but the Saturn will get it first.
: WarCraft - PSX & Saturn
Not released yet....
: Crusader No Remorse - PSX
: X-Com - PSX
One of the best titles available, IMHO.
: Descent - PSX
And Descent Maximum.....wonder what happened to the Saturn version.
: Wing Commander IV & V - PSX
That should be Wing Commander III and IV.
: > 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
: > play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
: > Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
: Actually, 100% of all games introduced for the Nintendo64 will be on
: cartridge. Some of them will offer enhancements by using 64DD for
: customizing levels and other things (high scores, custom cars and
: tracks, etc.). You will NEVER see a game running from 64DD without a
: cartridge plugged into the top of the N64. You don't have to believe
: me, but its true. Take care, happy gaming, enjoy life!
How much are you willing to wager? By producing a game like that
(cart AND DD) you INCREASE the production costs on an already
expensive machine to produce for. You WILL see 64DD only games, i can
guarantee it. :)
Max C. Strini
Kevin Auld wrote:
>
> Oh dear, more fun debating. Ihave an N64 and a PSX, so maybe I can be
> more objective.
>
> > the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> > 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> > memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> > memory.
>
> it now.
game or RPG, so the FMV is more or less irrelevant
to the game. The FMV sequences in FF7, for instance,
tend to be around 20 seconds long, placed at crucial
points in the story, and integrated with the game.
IMO, FF7's graphical quality and story impact is greatly
aided by the FMV.
--
-dar5.
"Videogames are bad for you? That's what they
said about rock 'n' roll."
-Shigeru Miyamoto
Jay
Squirelly <pa...@pcrsys.airtime.co.uk> wrote in article
<5k529g$r...@neptune.theplanet.co.uk>...
> Mario wrote in article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
> >10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> >=======================================================
> >
> >1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> > the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> > 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> > memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> > memory.
> >
> Who needs FMV when you can render photo realistic scenes in real time.
> Anyway most people only ever watch the FMV scenes once and then skip past
> them. ( There only really useful for shops rolling demos ).
No one. When the day arrives that you can render photorealistic scenes in
realtime everyone will probably be doing that. BUT the N64 certainly can't.
It's absolutely NO WHERE NEAR photorealistic.
I like the rendered intro's on games, but it's true that basically they
serve no purpose.
> >2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> > interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> > Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
> >
> I Don't know any children who can afford £250 and £70+ a game, do you ?
> (by the way I am 25)
No, I'm 27 and I can't / won't pay them sort of prices !
> >3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
> >
> I have a PC and most of the so called games are rubbish, with the
exception
> of Quake, and Tie Fighter.
Yes, I agree. 95% of all PC title are utter shite. It's no loss not
getting conversions.
Also, Shadows of the Empire is being converted to PC from N64 anyway, and
I would imagine it would be much better on a PC. Faster, better GFX etc.
> >4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> > hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> > many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
> >
> Nintendo have one think, product recognition. No one else has had the
name
> Nintendo has in the Video gaming world, and no one ever will. People dont
> say 'Johny is playing vide games', they say 'Johny is playing Nintendo'.
> Simple as that, marketing does matter but Nintendo had the edge before
Sony
> even thought of creating a console.
Yes I agree. Sony have little experience in the software scene.
> >5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> > a music CD on a N64!
> >
> Why, very expensive Cd-Player don't you think.
Not at all. With PSX's at 129.00 UKP thats virtually the same price as a
CD walkman.
> >6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> > play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> > Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
> >
> OK. But you can do a hell of a lot in 32Mb, most PSX games use more than
> half the CD for Music, and the game only takes up about a quarter of
whats
> left, after you allow for the FMV and such. More space is not necessary
if
> you use the space youve got well.
True. But the ability to always have more if needed is nice.
> >7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> > the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> > rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
> >
> The only reason for the playstation price drop seems to have been panic
by
> Sony just before the release of the N64. Could this be true, are Sony
> running scared. Get a calendar and work out the dates, and judge for
> yourself.
Total bollocks. I imagine Sony will have had this strategy planned months
in advance. Rather than being scared of Nintendo they're just employing
clever marketing to offset sales of N64's.
Companies the size of Sony don't get scared. Nothing is a rush job.
Everything is planned to the minutest detail.
> >8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> > development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> > important is that their are plenty of games available for
> > you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> > crap.
> >
> Yeh! did the PSX have 400 games out when it was first released, NO. The
N64
> is a completely new machine, not a so called established machine, make
this
> argument in another 12 months.
You assume that the N64 will still be here in 12 months.
Nintendo had their shares suspended earlier this year because the console
had massively UNDERSOLD in Japan.
> >9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> > not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> > the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> > very early 80s.
> >
> Almost every single game, on every format, for the last 5 years has been
a
> rehash on an already established theme, or genre. Why lie, at least
> Nintendo are admitting that the games are newer versions of old games,
not
> just disguising the fact.
Disguising, hmmm.
> >10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> > all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
> >
> Wuppy Do... Mario64, MarioKart64, WaveRace64 the list goes on. Nintendo
> have always produced inovative, original, and exclusive games for all
there
> machines. This argument just doesn't stand up.
The list goes on for about 2 more titles then STOPS.
>
> > SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> > Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
> >
> >=======================================================
> >
> Anyway why argue, I use both, like both the arguments just dont stand up
in
> either ones favour. Well just have to see how the next twelve months pan
> out.
Yes indeed.
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my employer
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Luigi Mattera
Keith E. Young (kyo...@kent.kent.edu) wrote:
: : Actually, 100% of all games introduced for the Nintendo64 will be on
: : cartridge. Some of them will offer enhancements by using 64DD for
: : customizing levels and other things (high scores, custom cars and
: : tracks, etc.). You will NEVER see a game running from 64DD without a
: : cartridge plugged into the top of the N64. You don't have to believe
: : me, but its true. Take care, happy gaming, enjoy life!
: How much are you willing to wager? By producing a game like that
: (cart AND DD) you INCREASE the production costs on an already
: expensive machine to produce for. You WILL see 64DD only games, i can
: guarantee it. :)
We may eventually see 64DD only games, but with Nintendo's history
of controlling developers, Nintendo may well force the companies to
make cartridge games as well as 64DD games.. and several would refuse
based on that problem. Nintendo needs to change their policies
towards third party manufacturers.
John Vivian Matthews
Thus Spake Squirelly (pa...@pcrsys.airtime.co.uk):
: Mario wrote in article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
: >4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
: > hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
: > many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
: >
: Nintendo have one think, product recognition. No one else has had the name
: Nintendo has in the Video gaming world, and no one ever will. People dont
: say 'Johny is playing vide games', they say 'Johny is playing Nintendo'.
: Simple as that, marketing does matter but Nintendo had the edge before Sony
: even thought of creating a console.
...and back in the early 80s you always heard ``Johnny is playing Atari''
back before Nintendo thought of making a console. And now Atari is gone.
Don't think that the same thing can't happen to Nintendo.
matt
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J. Dolan
This is a stupid post. What's the point? At least bring out a post with
a "fresh feeling", like you describe later. Everything you've mentioned
has been said over and over and over again. I support Nintendo, but I've
enjoyed many games on the PSX. Is it EVER possible to like more than ONE
machine?
>Mario <ma...@nintendo.com> wrote in article >3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
I smell a troll here. If you really hate Nintendo and the N64, then why
is your address ma...@nintendo.com?
>
> 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> =======================================================
>
> 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
>
FMV is WAY overrated. Too many CD games are more movie than video game.
I buy a game for the play, not to watch a movie. A lot of gamers skip
past the movies, anyway.
> 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
Nope. Nintendo is based for ALL people, not just the 16-25 year olds. I
would never allow kids to play games like MKT, Doom 64, and upcoming Duke
64. As for the "kiddie" games like Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64, a lot of
people of all ages play these games. I'm 23, and Super Mario Kart is my
favorite game and was a favorite of a lot of people at college.
>
> 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>
This is one of the reasons why I bought a N64. I have a PC w/ CD-ROM.
Why buy a PSX to get two versions of Tomb Raider, C&C, etc? I can't find
Mario 64 or Mario Kart 64 on the PC, like you can with PSX games.
> 4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
>
Hasn't the N64 been reduced to $150 (from $200)? Aren't the games made by
Nintendo $60, which is only $10 more than PSX games?
Hasn't Nintendo been in the video game industry a lot longer than Sony? I
seem to remember having Nintendo video games for my old ColecoVision.
> 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> a music CD on a N64!
>
Ah....yes. That's exacly why I buy video game systems -- to play CDs.
> 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
Was there going to be a PSX2 on the horizon? Isn't that upgrading?
>
> 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
Slowing down, but probably still on top. I read that Nintendo had seven
of the top selling games last month--two for the SNES and five for the
N64, with Mario Kart 64 as the top selling game. That statement may be
true in the UK, but not true in the USA.
>
> 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
>
N64 has about fourteen games, and the only two that are generally
considered crap are Cruisin' USA and MKT. So, two out of fourteen games
are crap is an excellent ratio. Don't tell be the PSX has hundreds of
quality games.
Anyway, how many games did the PSX have after seven months?
> 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
First of all, they are not remakes, but entirely new games with the same
characters. Title familiarity brings people to buy games. Hell, I bought
a N64 because it has (or will have): Mario 64, Donkey Kong Contry 64,
Mario Kart 64, Zelda 64, and possibly Metroid 64. People love sequels.
Look at the PC. Warcraft 2, C&C red Alert, Civ 2, and TIE Fighter are
some of the best and most popular games, and are all sequels.
This can even apply to movies. You better boycot the Star Wars prequels,
since it will have some of the same characters and ideas from shows back
to the 70's. Wait to see the gross of Jurrasic Park 2: The Lost World and
Batman and Robin (characters that date back to the 40's) this summer, and
see what I mean.
>
> 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>
Gee, for number nine you're talking about fresh, new games, and yet you
list Tekken 3. Talk about hypocrasy. I suppose that you don't want FF7,
either, since it doesn't have a fresh feeling.
So, tell me, can you get Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Wavrace 64, or upcoming
Zelda 64 on the PSX?
Matt McDevitt
Hey TROLL.....You like to start controversy, don't you.
You should be ashamed of yourself...didn't your mom teach you manners?
You're lucky she let you on the computer....you should have had your
computer privileges taken away for your behavior.
Matt McDevitt
MAKTOS (at) ix.netcom.com
Maktos Productions Homepage
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Mario wrote in article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
>10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
>=======================================================
>
>1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
>
>2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
>
>3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>
>4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
>
>5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> a music CD on a N64!
>
>6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
>7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
>
>8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
>
>9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
>
>10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>
Justin LaBroad
Go away!
Joseph Lee
: for the PlayStation.
A lot has been released for the PSX, in Japan. Many are English games
that originate in UK or the US that are "easier" to port to Japan than to
port back. ;) This includes Wizardry and many other games. It's all
marketing.
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Joseph Lee
Squirelly (pa...@pcrsys.airtime.co.uk) wrote:
: Who needs FMV when you can render photo realistic scenes in real time.
Well, low-res, low-poly count scenes on the N64 just can't compare to
more expensive, more capable 3D machines that render the FMV in the first
place. Otherwise, people would just use the machine realtime instead of
FMV to avoid the compression artifacts that fuzz the nice FMV picture.
Buitron
> Mario <ma...@nintendo.com> wrote in article
<3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
> 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> =======================================================
Oh great another insecure PSX owner.
>
> 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
Oh yeah! I have something better than a PSX for playing CD's. It's called
a CD player.
Which is what I use if I want to hear music. If I want to play games I use
my N64 which does a better job. The sound off of the N64 is superb.
>
> 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
No the N64 is not based for anything it is just a game console. The
current list of games is what targets a specific market and that can change
like the wind. Nintendo targets it's own games for the mass public not
just teenagers. That is why Nintendo games are cartoon like and fun and
have always sold better than most games. How can you make such a statement
when the games are just starting to come out? I suppose Doom is just for
children.
>
> 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
The N64 is getting ports from PC games as well. (Quake, Doom, Duke, etc.)
The PSX may be CD-ROM but it only has 2 megs of general ram. It still
takes work to port just like the N64. The N64 with the 64DD will have 8
megs of RAM which is the current minimum amount of RAM needed to run most
PC games. The 64DD using compression can hold most PC games not including
a cartridge. Games that use OpenGL are easier to port to the SGI based
N64. We will see.
>
> 4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
Sony can only drop its price so far. Nintendo has been in the game
business long before Sony. Sony has also lost it's Market share lead to
Nintendo after the N64 came out. (Go read Next Gen on-line February and
March). Sony was forced to drop it's price or lose more market share.
Nintendo with the N64 is just getting started and don't forget about the
rest of Nintendo's products.
>
> 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> a music CD on a N64!
That is such a stupid argument. I'll buy a CD player to play CD's and an
N64 to play games.
>
> 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
The N64 plus the 64DD will probably still be less than or equal to the
introductory price of the PSX. The 64DD includes a modem, and 4 megs of
ram and a Zelda 64.
> 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
For a game console that has only been out since August of 96 has already
exceeded half of the PSX install base which has been around for more than 2
years. Sony better drop the price.
> 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
Oh give me a break. You are already claiming victory on a new console that
has only been out 9 months. When the PSX first came people paid top dollar
for a few games of which some were crap. Besides even with your rating
10:4 is a better ratio than the current list of PSX games.
>
> 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
No one is re-releasing anything except Disney unless they do a remake like
101 Dalmatians. Nintendo has a history. The games are re-makes not
re-releases. It gives people something to relate to and if the games are
better so what. Sony didn't have a history but that doesn't stop them from
making versions 2 and 3 of their own games.
>
> 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>
> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
Well according to Next Gen on-line (2/4/97 TRST backs Nintendo victory)
(3/25/97 Third parties loosens hardware grip) it looks like Sony has lost
it. Nintendo has exclusive games too so don't be so quick to gloat. The
PSX is a good value but you can't ignore the N64 with it capabilities that
the PSX doesn't have. The install base of the N64 is still growing and if
people think that the current games are great the next ones coming from
Nintendo are even better. People should just enjoy their games and stop
competing.
Edward Davis, Jr.
Keith E. Young wrote:
> Unless I'm mystaken (sorry about the pun), Myst hasn't been released
> for the PlayStation.
Myst has been out for the PSX since last year (maybe earlier). It just
wasn't hyped up or popular ('cause it's not a good game). :)
-Ed
scootr1
Matt McDevitt wrote:
>
> Hey TROLL.....You like to start controversy, don't you.
> You should be ashamed of yourself...didn't your mom teach you manners?
> You're lucky she let you on the computer....you should have had your
> computer privileges taken away for your behavior.
>
> Matt McDevitt
> MAKTOS (at) ix.netcom.com
> Maktos Productions Homepage
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/4048/index.htm
>
> >10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> >=======================================================
> >
> > the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> > 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> > memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> > memory.
> >
> > interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> > Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
> >
> > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
> >
> > hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> > many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
> >
> > a music CD on a N64!
> >
> > play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> > Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
> >
> > the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> > rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
> >
> > development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> > important is that their are plenty of games available for
> > you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> > crap.
> >
> > not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> > the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> > very early 80s.
> >
> > all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
> >
> > SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> > Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
> >
> >
if you wana talk about exclusive licenses: golden eye, topgear rally,
zelda64, starfox64, castlevania64, goemon 5 etc. And who cares if the
games have been done on a 16 bit platform, they are good, and the fact
that they are now 64 bit gives them a whole new look and feel. Just
because the storylines aren't new doesn't mean the games aren't fresh.
There may be 400 titles available for psx, but as a consumer who owns
both PSX and N64 I have found that rental after rental of psx games have
left me disappointed. Look at the n64 release dates for the next few
months. It looks like nintendo has alot of games coming out that psx
can't match! Who cares about fmv, I have yet to watch the opening to a
game more than once. I would rather have a good game than a good opening
sequence! Maybe psx should worry a little more about quality rather than
sequence. Maybe psx should focus on quality rather than quantity
The Single Guy
The N64 DOES make a much better paperweight than the PSX, thanks to the
endless amount of shit that weighs it down...It also gathers dust
very well...When the 64DD comes out, you will have the greatest
anti-aliasing, mip-mapping, tri-linear buffering space waster of
all-time...
For games? Well...I'd have to give that one to the PSX...
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In article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>, ma...@nintendo.com wrote:
>10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
>=======================================================
crosspost them to sony and nintendo groups, great! Dont crosspost them here,
we dont care.
Of course you realize that the above statements
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None1a
First a run down on who is making the games you say are exclusive:
> if you wana talk about exclusive licenses: golden eye, topgear rally,
Don't realy know
> zelda64, starfox64,
Nintendo (they don't coun't for the Exclusive thing in My oppinion)
>castlevania64,
Not completly Exclusive (PSX version coming soon N64 will most likely
just be an inproved graphics vesion la' Doom 64
>goemon 5 etc.
Never heard of it
>And who cares if the games have been done on a 16 bit platform, they are good, and the fact
> that they are now 64 bit gives them a whole new look and feel. Just
> because the storylines aren't new doesn't mean the games aren't fresh.
I care I never bought a Super NES because the games just did not look
att that fun to me.
>There may be 400 titles available for psx, but as a consumer who owns
> both PSX and N64 I have found that rental after rental of psx games have
> left me disappointed. Look at the n64 release dates for the next few
> months. It looks like nintendo has alot of games coming out that psx
> can't match!
Funny I am looking at the release list for the next 4 months and only
coun't 11 titles 7 titles I can't get for another system.
>Who cares about fmv, I have yet to watch the opening to a
> game more than once. I would rather have a good game than a good opening
> sequence! Maybe psx should worry a little more about quality rather than
> sequence. Maybe psx should focus on quality rather than quantity
The FMV intros set the seen for the rest of the game (Wipeout's pumped
up race intro, RE's Hell Dog chasing them into the house) they are used
to tell the story insted of some crap text. I see 4 games coming in the
next 4 months I want to buy for PSX and only one for N64.
Sory for the Nintendo newsgroups just tring to get a point across I do
think that the N64 will be better with the 64DD and will buy one when it
comes out.
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In article <01bc54bb$3b20e3c0$6564a8c0@rbuitron>, "Buitron" says...
>
>> Mario <ma...@nintendo.com> wrote in article
><3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
>> 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
>> =======================================================
>
>Oh great another insecure PSX owner.
>
>>
>> 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
>> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
>> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
>> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
>> memory.
>
>Oh yeah! I have something better than a PSX for playing CD's. It's called
>a CD player.
>Which is what I use if I want to hear music. If I want to play games I use
>my N64 which does a better job. The sound off of the N64 is superb.
Andrew : Excuse me , since when has FMV improved the fun of a game ?
Since when has it made a game require skill ? In my opinion FMV makes a
game A mindles eyepleaser requirering little or no skill , I Say cut back
on the FMV and programers will have to depend on creativity instead of eye glitter
>
>>
>> 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
>> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
>> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
>
>No the N64 is not based for anything it is just a game console. The
>current list of games is what targets a specific market and that can change
>like the wind. Nintendo targets it's own games for the mass public not
>just teenagers. That is why Nintendo games are cartoon like and fun and
>have always sold better than most games. How can you make such a statement
>when the games are just starting to come out? I suppose Doom is just for
>children.
>
Whether or not it is Targeted at kids is all a matter of taste
The commercials Aim N64 at teenagers Yet the games we got are
Considered Childish here but it japan it doesn't matter , Point out
One American game that is considered childish , Can't do it ? Didn't
think so !
>>
>> 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
>> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>
>The N64 is getting ports from PC games as well. (Quake, Doom, Duke, etc.)
>The PSX may be CD-ROM but it only has 2 megs of general ram. It still
>takes work to port just like the N64. The N64 with the 64DD will have 8
>megs of RAM which is the current minimum amount of RAM needed to run most
>PC games. The 64DD using compression can hold most PC games not including
>a cartridge. Games that use OpenGL are easier to port to the SGI based
>N64. We will see.
>
Andrew : In my personnel opinion if N64 is getting less PC CDROM games
Then it will get more origanal games than PC givving me more reason to
buy N64 over PSX since a lot of PSX games I can find on my PC right here
So if I want origanal games I get N64
>>
>> 4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
>> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
>> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
>
>Sony can only drop its price so far. Nintendo has been in the game
>business long before Sony. Sony has also lost it's Market share lead to
>Nintendo after the N64 came out. (Go read Next Gen on-line February and
>March). Sony was forced to drop it's price or lose more market share.
>Nintendo with the N64 is just getting started and don't forget about the
>rest of Nintendo's products.
>
Andrew : Did you Know Nintendo makes no profit from N64 they can only drop the price if
they find a way to make it cheaper They currently got the price down to 150 So all the profit
Comes from Games .
>>
>> 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
>> a music CD on a N64!
>
>That is such a stupid argument. I'll buy a CD player to play CD's and an
>N64 to play games.
>
Who cares if you can't play CDs on N64 . I don't think anyone would buy
a VIDEO GAME system just to use it as a CD PLAYER .
>>
>> 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
>> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
>> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
>The N64 plus the 64DD will probably still be less than or equal to the
>introductory price of the PSX. The 64DD includes a modem, and 4 megs of
>ram and a Zelda 64.
>
Andrew : The bulky drive isn't an Upgrade , it a Media Add on besides if we don't want
Zelda or earth bound then we aren't obligated to buy a bulkydrive .
>
>> 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
>> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
>> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
>
>For a game console that has only been out since August of 96 has already
>exceeded half of the PSX install base which has been around for more than 2
>years. Sony better drop the price.
>
Andrew : Who gives a shit about the UK we live in america ! Yes the N64 sales are slowing down along with
The rest of the American Video Game Industry , Two reasons , People are Content with what they got
and Christmas is over . And if psx Sales Are Higher than That Means That PSX sucks and players are
desperratley looking for a good game
>
>> 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
>> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
>> important is that their are plenty of games available for
>> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
>> crap.
>
>Oh give me a break. You are already claiming victory on a new console that
>has only been out 9 months. When the PSX first came people paid top dollar
>for a few games of which some were crap. Besides even with your rating
>10:4 is a better ratio than the current list of PSX games.
>
Andrew : If A big Selection is better than Great game than All PSX games
Suck. If it needs a lot of games then they have never had a great game at
At Any one time .
>>
>> 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
>> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
>> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
>> very early 80s.
>
>No one is re-releasing anything except Disney unless they do a remake like
>101 Dalmatians. Nintendo has a history. The games are re-makes not
>re-releases. It gives people something to relate to and if the games are
>better so what. Sony didn't have a history but that doesn't stop them from
>making versions 2 and 3 of their own games.
>
Andrew : Again that's all a matter of taste if some one thinks a Recurring character
Is bad then they just never did like that character . But if you want to talk about origanality
Some times reusing a character doesn't mean the game play is the same , Take Mario World , and
Mario 64 , both have mario , Both have the same setting , But they play tottaly Different .
>>
>> 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
>> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>>
>> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
>> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
>
>Well according to Next Gen on-line (2/4/97 TRST backs Nintendo victory)
>(3/25/97 Third parties loosens hardware grip) it looks like Sony has lost
>it. Nintendo has exclusive games too so don't be so quick to gloat. The
>PSX is a good value but you can't ignore the N64 with it capabilities that
>the PSX doesn't have. The install base of the N64 is still growing and if
>people think that the current games are great the next ones coming from
>Nintendo are even better. People should just enjoy their games and stop
>competing.
>
ANdrew : This guy seems to belive that just saying tohe words "N64 has failed "
Makes it fact , Not at all , to be Incredibally Candid all thre Competitors have failed .
By using this guy's Assumtion of what makes N64 A failure , Then all of them Have failed .
Explanation : As long as he is going to compare Sales , Why not compare past sales of Things
Like NES and SNES after a Few weeks of National Release NES sold more than PSX and N64 combined
There are now over 45 Million NES's Sold , SNES had a Simaler Story , Now it has over 20 Million sold
Yet PSX claims to be a Leader , with only 2.8 Million sold ? HA !
>
Andrew : ANother Note I hope that some time soon we realize that we are fighting the fight that the EMPLOYEES
Of video game componies should fight , I mean as simple Consumers is Pointless and Stupid for us to fight over
VIDEO GAMES , I mean there Just Video GAmes DAMMIT ! If all you Can Do is Fight Over them I say GET A LIFE !
Sure I REad Magazines about them , I read websites about them , But I'm Not so Serious about them That I HAve to
fight Over it On this News Group I only Want to talk about Games not Fight over rivals .
Carlont
Hey MATT.... You like to be an idiot, don't you? Instead of being a
fag and trying to insult the guy, respond with something INTELLIGENT
to his post. Apparently, what he said was right - eh? Or if it was
false, you would of said something...
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:56:09 -0500, "Matt McDevitt" <maktos@ix (dot)
netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Hey TROLL.....You like to start controversy, don't you.
>You should be ashamed of yourself...didn't your mom teach you manners?
>You're lucky she let you on the computer....you should have had your
>computer privileges taken away for your behavior.
>
>Matt McDevitt
>MAKTOS (at) ix.netcom.com
>Maktos Productions Homepage
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/4048/index.htm
>
> Mario wrote in article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
>>10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
>>=======================================================
>>
>>1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
>> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
>> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
>> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
>> memory.
[] Carlont
[]
[] Countless Codes
[] http://www.countless-codes.com
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JOE LAW
On 29 Apr 1997, Buitron wrote:
> > Mario <ma...@nintendo.com> wrote in article
> <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
> > 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
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> >=20
> > 1.=09The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> > the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> > 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and=20
> > memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> > memory.
as i said b4....you can't heard the different when you play the game on
the TV anyway....i hook the N64 and PStation up to a pro-logic system and
there weren't much differet..maybe a few MHz..but do you think you can
really tell?=20
=20
2.=09N64 is based more at children, not as many games will=20
> > interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).=20
> > Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.=20
what? you mean porno and 18+ games? if thats the case....i suggest you buy
a copy of this month's Playboy or Penthouse. Cos you might get more out of
it :)
> >=20
> > 3.=09Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.=20
mate let me tell you something....the reason the did that cos they ran out
of ideas for new games.....
> >=20
> > 4.=09Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and=20
> > =09hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> > =09many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
let face the REAL world......the reducing the prices cos NO body is buying
the orginal games....why buy it when you can get 5 games for $20 in HK!
> >=20
> > 5.=09Even when your console does become out of date, try playing=20
> > a music CD on a N64!
yeah just play CDs so i'll spent money on a pro-logic system and now more
money on PStation to play bloody CDs
> >=20
> > 6.=09N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to=20
> > =09play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> > =09Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
hum......don't think so...is just like PStation that you have to buy a
memory card....in some case you need more than one memory card.
> > 7.=09Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop=20
> > the price of the Playstation to =A3129 in the UK sales are=20
> > =09rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
y is it rocketing? cos is CHEAP! and it will get worst! wait till you
see them giving it away.....then PStation will go sky high!
> > 8.=09Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in=20
> > =09development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> > =09important is that their are plenty of games available for=20
> > =09you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are=20
> > =09crap.
yeah and how long has PStation been out on the market? wasn't it 3yrs?
i like to hear you say the same thing N64 after 3 yrs!
> >=20
> > 9.=09Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> > not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of=20
> > =09the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> > =09very early 80s.
yeah and as you said before playstation just get games from PC-CDs
they don't even bother add something to the name and cover!
> >=20
> > 10.=09Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more=20
> > all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
> >=20
> > SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> > Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
yeah and who got Mario? you tell me :)
*bow*
the following just a little thought.....more like a joke...don't take it
too hard.....
but i still love N64
see ya
jyu
fmv doesn't have to be rendered in real time. they can be rendered frame by
frame, as in 3d-studio. that takes a long time, but it's alot cheaper for
developers than a machine that does it say, 30fps.
jy
Joseph Lee <nugu...@netcom.com> wrote in article
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MonkeyMan
JOE LAW wrote:
>
> 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> > > interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> > > Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
> a copy of this month's Playboy or Penthouse. Cos you might get more out of
> it :)
I think he meant how Lara, Chris and Jill use their gun shoot right on
Mario's fat ass, then the giant snake, hounds, and bears jump in...blood
all over the place... (just a joke, from a PSX owner who agreed with
all ten reasons)
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Kevin Gamache
> 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> =======================================================
>
> 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
Who cares!!!! The overall of the N64 are better than PSX.
>
> 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
Eh, for children. Let me refresh your mind. I am 20 years old and I am
still playing Nintendo. Many of my friend who are same age as me still
playing Nintendo. All I say is that Nintendo are for all age while you said
it is aim for teenagers. So Nintendo are better.
>
> 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
Playstation have to copy the games from PC titles while N64 make new ones!!!
>
> 4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
Go to the store more often. N64 do reducing the price. If you said that
they are expensive. I will say because it is new. If PSX sell new game (the
original one), they will sell high but they keep copy them from PC while I
can get them in computer store. What a waste!!!
>
> 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> a music CD on a N64!
I already have CD radio. Why should I buy PSX to listen the music CD?!
>
> 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
Read the gamer books! Zelda 64 will not need to have 64DD.
>
> 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
Like I said before, go to store more often. Thank you.
>
> 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
Congratulation to reach 400+ games but they all are copy and can buy from
computer store for PC computer while N64 have 6 new original game and more
to come in future.
>
> 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
It make me feel bond to game character than keep making more new character.
>
> 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
We do have games that are exclusive to the worlds, too.
>
> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
I didn't hear fat lady sing yet.
>
> =======================================================
Zhiping Yu
Stuart Brierley (s...@oasis.icl.co.uk) wrote:
: Mario wrote:
: >
: I've onlt picked the ones I had arguements against. The rest seemed fair enough.
: > 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
: > =======================================================
: >
: > 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
: > the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
: > 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
: > memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
: > memory.
: Sound played from CD takes up a lot of space on the CD. Its just that there
: is more space to use, so it can be. After all 78 minutes or so is about all that
: can fit on a Cd.
: >
: > 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
: > interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
: > Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
: Well I'm a 20 year old and I love the games on the N64. Perhaps I'm just a big kid
: though.
: >
: > 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
: > all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
: Mario, WaveRace, Mario Kart, Starwing(/fox) and many more only on Nintendo (as it says
: on the box)
How many 64bit rehash of a 16bit game do you need? Just put in SNES library
and add a 64 on the end and you got the eventual library of N64 minus some
biggies...like FFVII...so far N64 is a disappointment for me
Z
Keith E. Young
J. Dolan (jdo...@dubuque.net) wrote:
: FMV is WAY overrated. Too many CD games are more movie than video game.
: past the movies, anyway.
In Command And Conquer it's used PERFECTLY. I enjoy it at least.
: > 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
: >
: This is one of the reasons why I bought a N64. I have a PC w/ CD-ROM.
: Why buy a PSX to get two versions of Tomb Raider, C&C, etc? I can't find
: Mario 64 or Mario Kart 64 on the PC, like you can with PSX games.
I happen to like PC ports, so I can play the good games without having
to spend $2000 every 2 years.....
: Hasn't the N64 been reduced to $150 (from $200)? Aren't the games made by
: Nintendo $60, which is only $10 more than PSX games?
Well, the Sony games are being released for $39.99 so that's a $20 gap
on "first party" games, which extends to third party games as well,
when the N64's are $75 and the PSX's are $50-55.
: Hasn't Nintendo been in the video game industry a lot longer than Sony? I
: seem to remember having Nintendo video games for my old ColecoVision.
Those were made by Coleco, liscenced by Nintendo. the Big N sold off
the rights to the games.
But yes, Nintendo has been making video games for quite a while, but
Sony learned quickly how to do it.
: > 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
: > a music CD on a N64!
: >
: Ah....yes. That's exacly why I buy video game systems -- to play CDs.
It's a nice side effect. And on some games you can play the soundtrack....
: > 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
: > play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
: > Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
: Was there going to be a PSX2 on the horizon? Isn't that upgrading?
That's not an upgrade to a machine, that's an entirely different
machine in and of itself. The Sega CD and 32X are the equivalents
here, not a PlayStation2.
: > 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
: > the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
: > rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
: Slowing down, but probably still on top. I read that Nintendo had seven
: of the top selling games last month--two for the SNES and five for the
: N64, with Mario Kart 64 as the top selling game. That statement may be
: true in the UK, but not true in the USA.
SNES has a HUGE user base, and the ratio of games to consoles for the
N64 is outrageously high. No wonder they have the top selling games,
everyone has to buy the same stuff!
: >
: > 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
: > development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
: > important is that their are plenty of games available for
: > you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
: > crap.
: >
: N64 has about fourteen games, and the only two that are generally
: considered crap are Cruisin' USA and MKT. So, two out of fourteen games
: are crap is an excellent ratio. Don't tell be the PSX has hundreds of
: quality games.
I have 22 quality games that I own, which is 8 more than are released
for the N64!
: Anyway, how many games did the PSX have after seven months?
the Playstation had at least 50 games by January 9th, 1996. That was
3 months after release. I am not sure how many were released in
7...maybe someone has a complete list somewhere?
: So, tell me, can you get Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Wavrace 64, or upcoming
: Zelda 64 on the PSX?
No. do people who bought a PlayStation want them? no.
Digital Carnage
> Mario wrote in article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
>>10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
>>=======================================================
>>
>>1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
>> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
>> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
>> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
>> memory.
>>
That's correct, streamed CD music doesn't use much memory because the PSX
doesn't have enough memory to begin with. Now, for the capacity that a CD
can hold, well that is another thing. But, seriously, what is the point
of FMV? Yeah, maybe D was good, but the rest of the FMV games out there
are, well, crap. If the PSX was a dedicated hardware for watching video,
I won't complain if it ended up with some games, but wasn't that the CD-i?
>>2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
>> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
>> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
Not much argument here, but (using the very old argument), Mortal Kombat
Trilogy, Star Wars, KIG, WaveRace sure wasn't aimed toward little kiddies.
>>3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
>> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
Yeah, in other words you are saying that you are willing to accept
generally inferior remakes of PC games on your PSX for the same price?
You want original games!! You want remakes/conversions? The Saturn can
do a lot better with arcade conversions for 2D games!
>>4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
>> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
>> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
Yes, Nintendo can't win here without reducing the price of the cartridges,
but both the N64 and PSX lowered in price! In fact, the price for either
system is seet at about $150.
>>5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
>> a music CD on a N64!
Try finding really original games on the PSX.
>>6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
>> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
>> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
Yep and Sony doesn't want you to do the same thing when PSX C comes out
with more RAM and some new circuitry/built-in software thingies that will
make it easier for the new console from Sony to be more backward
compatible.
Sony doesn't insist on it, but if you want some of the even newer games...
>>7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
>> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
>> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
Sales of every system slows down as enough people get one.
Maybe in UK where the N64 price did not drop (did it?) sales didn't soar
like the sales of the PSX, but you can't say that that is proof the PSX is
a better system. Let us see what really happens when both systems are the
same price and have enough time to build a user base. The PSX is getting
old and the N64 is just starting off. But goddamn it Nintendo, hurry up
with the freaking games!!!!!
>>8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
>> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
>> important is that their are plenty of games available for
>> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
>> crap.
Which games are crap really depends on who plays it doesn't it?
So far the only games that I like on the PSX is SFA/SFA2. Final Fantasy?
Haven't played that one yet.
>>9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
>> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
>> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
>> very early 80s.
Hey, didn't you just say that the PSX is re-releasing a lot of the old PC
games? Yeah, sure, that fresh feeling. Let us see how many games the PSX
has that never appeared in the arcades, computers or other home consoles.
>>10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
>> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
And the arcade. Why do people like shooting at polygons anyway????
>> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
>> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
Yes they do. The PSX is not bad at all, but if it really was the world
leader, it should be able to handle every game thrown at it.
Stuart Brierley
Zhiping Yu wrote:
>
> : Mario, WaveRace, Mario Kart, Starwing(/fox) and many more only on Nintendo (as it says
> : on the box)
>
> How many 64bit rehash of a 16bit game do you need? Just put in SNES library
> and add a 64 on the end and you got the eventual library of N64 minus some
> biggies...like FFVII...so far N64 is a disappointment for me
As long as the games which are produced are good and I enjoy them, I don't care what
the story line is. And there are new title on teh way as well you know.
So far there are only 6 games released in the UK, but thats ok by me because I've had
my N64 for 2 months (ie release date) and I have bought two games (Mario and WaveRace).
I am perfectly happy with these games, and even if there were 100 released in the last
2 months I expect I would only have bought 2 games.
Stu.
Charles Miller Jr.
> > Mario wrote in article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
> >>10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> >>=======================================================
> >>
> >>1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> >> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> >> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> >> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> >> memory.
> >>
> That's correct, streamed CD music doesn't use much memory because the PSX
> doesn't have enough memory to begin with.
Has as much as the N64.
> Now, for the capacity that a CD
> can hold, well that is another thing. But, seriously, what is the point
> of FMV? Yeah, maybe D was good, but the rest of the FMV games out there
> are, well, crap. If the PSX was a dedicated hardware for watching video,
> I won't complain if it ended up with some games, but wasn't that the
CD-i?
Have you played FF7? A form of FMV has been used in Nintendo games since
the NES. This is just another step in the eveloution of FMV.
> >>2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> >> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> >> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
> Not much argument here, but (using the very old argument), Mortal Kombat
> Trilogy, Star Wars, KIG, WaveRace sure wasn't aimed toward little
kiddies.
I agree... I think this whole TeenagerVSkiddie is BS. Like you really
didn't like Mario Bros? :)
> >>3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> >> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
> Yeah, in other words you are saying that you are willing to accept
> generally inferior remakes of PC games on your PSX for the same price?
Why, yes. If I don't get to play HITS on the PC because I don't own one,
then the answer is yes.
> You want original games!! You want remakes/conversions? The Saturn can
> do a lot better with arcade conversions for 2D games!
Yes, you want origionals like... Hexen? Doom? Quake? etc etc etc.
> >>4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> >> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> >> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
> Yes, Nintendo can't win here without reducing the price of the
cartridges,
> but both the N64 and PSX lowered in price! In fact, the price for either
> system is seet at about $150.
No argue there. The price of software is all that really matters though.
> >>5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> >> a music CD on a N64!
> Try finding really original games on the PSX.
Sorry sir, you lose. The PSX has many more origional games than the N64
will ever have. But as far as playing a CD on the PSX.... yeah right. Why
play a CD on the PSX when you can on a CD player.
> >>6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> >> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> >> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
> Yep and Sony doesn't want you to do the same thing when PSX C comes out
> with more RAM and some new circuitry/built-in software thingies that will
> make it easier for the new console from Sony to be more backward
> compatible.
> Sony doesn't insist on it, but if you want some of the even newer
games...
Agreed, but there is a different strategy behind the two. Sony does it to
upgrade the system to make it better. N64 does it to give the N64
something to fight with. The bulky drive is no more than a way for them to
release the N64 at the price they had set.
> >>7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> >> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> >> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
> Sales of every system slows down as enough people get one.
> Maybe in UK where the N64 price did not drop (did it?) sales didn't soar
> like the sales of the PSX, but you can't say that that is proof the PSX
is
> a better system. Let us see what really happens when both systems are
the
> same price and have enough time to build a user base. The PSX is getting
> old and the N64 is just starting off. But goddamn it Nintendo, hurry up
> with the freaking games!!!!!
Hey, it's nintendo's fault you aren't getting games. Why? They are trying
to do the same strong arming of the Third Party Developers that they did
when they were on top. Nintendo doesn't know how to play catch up and
frankly I think even if they did they wouldn't.
> >>8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> >> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> >> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> >> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> >> crap.
> Which games are crap really depends on who plays it doesn't it?
Yep.
> So far the only games that I like on the PSX is SFA/SFA2. Final Fantasy?
> Haven't played that one yet.
>
> >>9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> >> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> >> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> >> very early 80s.
>
> Hey, didn't you just say that the PSX is re-releasing a lot of the old PC
> games? Yeah, sure, that fresh feeling. Let us see how many games the
PSX
> has that never appeared in the arcades, computers or other home consoles.
About MOST.
>
> >>10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> >> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
> And the arcade. Why do people like shooting at polygons anyway????
Well, to quote a very smart person on the net... "Which games are crap
really depends on who plays it doesn't it?" With this in mind, I LOVE Time
Crisis. You like Wave Race, so what's the diff?
> >> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> >> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
> Yes they do. The PSX is not bad at all, but if it really was the world
> leader, it should be able to handle every game thrown at it.
Yes, just like the N64 with it's cart limits and strong arm on the Third
Parties.
Spector
On 29 Apr 1997 12:23:14 Kevin Auld wrote about "Re: 10 Reasons why N64 will
never beat PSX":
> > 8.Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> > development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> > important is that their are plenty of games available for
> > you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> > crap.
>
> 400 games? probably. the only ones I continually play are TK2, Wipeout
> 2097, Tempest X and Pandemonium. On the N64 I have PilotWings, Mario,
> Wave race and Turok, and all are addictive as Tk2.
Just to verify it's close to 600 world-wide.
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jyu (ju...@uclink4.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: fmv doesn't have to be rendered in real time. they can be rendered frame by
: frame, as in 3d-studio. that takes a long time, but it's alot cheaper for
: developers than a machine that does it say, 30fps.
Or they could draw it by hand and scan in each frame to make a segment of
FMV. There's something no machine can do on-the-fly...
Jason Coppes
Mario wrote:
>
> 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> =======================================================
>
> 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
I don't buy games for the damn soundtrack, I buy them for graphics and
playability.
>
> 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
Uh, can you say Turok, Unreal, Duke Nukem, etc. Not exactly kids games.
>
> 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
Wrong. Current ports planned include Unreal, Duke Nukem, Hexen, Quake,
Command and Conquer, etc. In fact, most of these are already in the
works. Also, Doom 64, though not a port, was originally a PC title.
>
> 4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
Your evidence?
>
> 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> a music CD on a N64!
That's what stereos are for. I can play a CD on my PC too, but it
sounds like shit compared to a stereo system.
>
> 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
What about the rumors around the Playstation, with Sony planning to
upgrade the thing for the newer games coming out?
>
> 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
Nintendo has outsold Sony every month since it's release. Around here
(Wisconsin, USA) there is a glut of PSX's while Nintendo's are
completely sold out...systems, controllers, everything!
>
> 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
Give N64 time, they will make up the gap.
>
> 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
So? The game was declared Greatest Video Game of All Time by
NextGeneration, a mag not known for their love of Nintendo.
>
> 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
> Turok is exclusive to the N64 and other titles will be as well. Hell,
you can't even do Turok on the Playstation.
> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
>
> =======================================================
Your arguments do not hold water, as I have destroyed nearly all of
them. The N64 is the king and Sony will have to scramble to meet the
higher power of the N64. I will give you one thing, Nintendo was dumb
for not going to CD.
--
Jason Coppes
ja...@vbe.com
"Those who are upset by criticism admit that they deserve it."
Cornelius Tacitus, Roman historian
None1a
1) The CD sound thing needs a lot more reading done by the people
saying that you can only get 78 min. of sound on a cd. This is not true
cd's are digital (i.e everything stored in binary code) music is read
and translated by the cd player not the PSX's prosesors. The only reason
music companies use more than one cd is to rase the price (cd bootlager
know this they put two or three cd on just one)
2) FMV is used to try and get the story across
3) A good game in an oppion and should not be showed down anyones
throgt. As of this time I only want one N64 game. other may want any of
the games out.
4) the N64 exclusive thing is going down as a lot of the games come to
PSX or are coming (i.e a game based on the Turok world is coming out for
PSX some time next year.
Buitron
> ...and back in the early 80s you always heard ``Johnny is playing Atari''
> back before Nintendo thought of making a console. And now Atari is gone.
> Don't think that the same thing can't happen to Nintendo.
>
> matt
With 6 Million N64's and climbing plus all the other products with it's
large market share I don't think so.
MonkeyMan
Kevin Gamache wrote:
>
> In article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>, ma...@nintendo.com wrote:
>
> > 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> > =======================================================
> >
> > 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> > the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> > 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> > memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> > memory.
>
> Who cares!!!! The overall of the N64 are better than PSX.
Disagree. Things that N64 are better: texture mapping, 64-bit, fast
loading, faster processor.
PSX: polygon count (TWICE as much TEXTURE MAPPED ploygons per sec,
according to the specs I seen, 200,000 vs. 100,000; PSX can display
360,000 flat-shad polygons per sec), CD-ROMs (600+ MBytes per CD,
muti-CD games), games and more games, only system allow you to link-up
(two full screen arcade gaming), FMVs, more space for music and voices.
> > 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
> Playstation have to copy the games from PC titles while N64 make new ones!!!
N64 can make games? Really? :) Many (out of 600+) games are made for the
PSX (and some for Saturn also), but we ALSO get many PC game ports. So
we got both. Yet you don't, well, not as often.
> >
> > 4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> > hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> > many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
> Go to the store more often. N64 do reducing the price. If you said that
> they are expensive. I will say because it is new. If PSX sell new game (the
> original one), they will sell high
Even the NEW PSX games cost under $50. N64 games are expensive becuz N64
uses CART (how many time have we said that).
> > 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> > the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> > rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
> Like I said before, go to store more often. Thank you.
I don't know about you, but the stores I go PSX is doing better.
> > 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> > development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> > important is that their are plenty of games available for
> > you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> > crap.
> Congratulation to reach 400+ games but they all are copy and can buy from
> computer store for PC computer while N64 have 6 new original game and more
> to come in future.
I bet you don't know that you can buy ONE CD contain 29, that's right
kids, 29 N64 games! You use a "Doctor V64" to play the disc....
> > 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> > all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
> We do have games that are exclusive to the worlds, too.
But most of them are from NINTENDO.
MonkeyMan
Jason Coppes wrote:
>
> > 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> > all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
> you can't even do Turok on the Playstation.
:) There will a PSX AND PC version of Turok. Exclusive? I think not.
> Your arguments do not hold water, as I have destroyed nearly all of
> them.
oh, I wouldn't say "destroyed"
The N64 is the king and Sony will have to scramble to meet the
> higher power of the N64.
hahahahahahahaha, I just gonna laugh at something like that. How much
3rd party support Nintendo got? With all the RPGs (esp. those from
Square and Enix) PSX gonna rule in Japan. Hell, even Saturn is doing
better N64 in Japan. The PSX is still doing better in Europe. The only
market where N64 is doing good is in US. But PSX is doing just as good
as the N64 (actually better around here).
I will give you one thing, Nintendo was dumb
> for not going to CD.
You got it!
--
Buitron
The Single Guy <buck...@wam.umd.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.SOL.3.95.970429...@rac8.wam.umd.edu>...
> The N64 DOES make a much better paperweight than the PSX, thanks to the
> endless amount of shit that weighs it down...It also gathers dust
> very well...When the 64DD comes out, you will have the greatest
> anti-aliasing, mip-mapping, tri-linear buffering space waster of
> all-time...
> For games? Well...I'd have to give that one to the PSX...
I bet there is a reason that you call yourself "The single guy". That
paper weight you are talking about just took 4 awards at the CGDC show. I
didn't read anything about the PSX. Maybe you have the wrong paper weight.
Buitron
Joseph Lee <nugu...@netcom.com> wrote in article
<nugundamE...@netcom.com>...
> Squirelly (pa...@pcrsys.airtime.co.uk) wrote:
> : Who needs FMV when you can render photo realistic scenes in real time.
>
> Well, low-res, low-poly count scenes on the N64 just can't compare to
> more expensive, more capable 3D machines that render the FMV in the first
> place. Otherwise, people would just use the machine realtime instead of
> FMV to avoid the compression artifacts that fuzz the nice FMV picture.
You have to be able to do real 3-D on the fly to be called a capable 3-D
machine. Maybe the term movie player will suite you better.
Shawn Winget
Buitron wrote:
>
> > Mario <ma...@nintendo.com> wrote in article
> <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
> > 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> > =======================================================
>
>
> >
> > the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> > 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> > memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> > memory.
>
> a CD player.
> Which is what I use if I want to hear music. If I want to play games I use
> my N64 which does a better job. The sound off of the N64 is superb.
>
> >
> > interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> > Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
>
> current list of games is what targets a specific market and that can change
> like the wind. Nintendo targets it's own games for the mass public not
> just teenagers. That is why Nintendo games are cartoon like and fun and
> have always sold better than most games. How can you make such a statement
> when the games are just starting to come out? I suppose Doom is just for
> children.
>
> >
> > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>
> The PSX may be CD-ROM but it only has 2 megs of general ram. It still
> takes work to port just like the N64. The N64 with the 64DD will have 8
> megs of RAM which is the current minimum amount of RAM needed to run most
> PC games. The 64DD using compression can hold most PC games not including
> a cartridge. Games that use OpenGL are easier to port to the SGI based
> N64. We will see.
>
> >
> > hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> > many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
>
> business long before Sony. Sony has also lost it's Market share lead to
> Nintendo after the N64 came out. (Go read Next Gen on-line February and
> March). Sony was forced to drop it's price or lose more market share.
> Nintendo with the N64 is just getting started and don't forget about the
> rest of Nintendo's products.
>
leader for software publishers, it didn't have anything to do with the
hardware. Sony still has a very large lead in installed base.
> > 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> > a music CD on a N64!
>
> That is such a stupid argument. I'll buy a CD player to play CD's and an
> N64 to play games.
>
> >
> > 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> > play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> > Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
> The N64 plus the 64DD will probably still be less than or equal to the
> introductory price of the PSX. The 64DD includes a modem, and 4 megs of
> ram and a Zelda 64.
While the Modem has sort of been confirmed and the 4 megs of ram
confirmed, a Zelda 64 pack in is not confirmed nor likely. Nintendo said
that the DD version of Zelda will be released up to a year after the
cart version. The cart version will arrive sometime this fall and I
doubt that Nintendo will delay the release of the DD until late '98 just
so they can pack in Zelda 64.
>
> > 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> > the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> > rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
>
> For a game console that has only been out since August of 96 has already
> exceeded half of the PSX install base which has been around for more than 2
> years. Sony better drop the price.
The tables are turned now, while the N64 was hard to find during Xmas,
the PSX is hard to find now. At Target company wide, the PSX is
outselling the N64 about 3 to 1. At my store, we have 50 N64's in stock
and have been selling one or two a week for the past two months. The PSX
sales have been ten times that, and would be higher if we didn't keep
running out of them.
> > 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> > development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> > important is that their are plenty of games available for
> > you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> > crap.
>
> Oh give me a break. You are already claiming victory on a new console that
> has only been out 9 months. When the PSX first came people paid top dollar
> for a few games of which some were crap. Besides even with your rating
> 10:4 is a better ratio than the current list of PSX games.
>
> >
> > 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> > not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> > the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> > very early 80s.
>
> No one is re-releasing anything except Disney unless they do a remake like
> 101 Dalmatians. Nintendo has a history. The games are re-makes not
> re-releases. It gives people something to relate to and if the games are
> better so what. Sony didn't have a history but that doesn't stop them from
> making versions 2 and 3 of their own games.
>
> >
> > 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> > all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
> >
> > SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> > Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
>
> Well according to Next Gen on-line (2/4/97 TRST backs Nintendo victory)
> (3/25/97 Third parties loosens hardware grip) it looks like Sony has lost
> it. Nintendo has exclusive games too so don't be so quick to gloat. The
> PSX is a good value but you can't ignore the N64 with it capabilities that
> the PSX doesn't have. The install base of the N64 is still growing and if
> people think that the current games are great the next ones coming from
> Nintendo are even better. People should just enjoy their games and stop
> competing.
TRST hardly means anything when comparing total game sales. Even though
the few N64 titles available dominate the chart, total PSX game sold far
out number total N64 games sold because there are so many more games
available to buy and choose from. Not to mention that they are less
expensive, so your gaming dollar buys more.
None1a
Vineet Gossain wrote:
>
> In article <3367BB...@worldnet.att.net>,
> None1a <jr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >1) The CD sound thing needs a lot more reading done by the people
> >saying that you can only get 78 min. of sound on a cd. This is not true
> >cd's are digital (i.e everything stored in binary code) music is read
> >and translated by the cd player not the PSX's prosesors. The only reason
> >music companies use more than one cd is to rase the price (cd bootlager
> >know this they put two or three cd on just one)
>
> unlimited amount of data on a disc. There are 650 megabytes of space on
> a compact disc, which translates (at a sample rate of 44.1 KHz) to about
> 78 minutes of music. I have never seen an audio cd with more than 78
> minutes of music, and from my understanding, is not possible without
> loss of musical quality.
Not completly all of the space is never used I have cd that have 78 min
of music and still have space for PC stuff (enhanced cd's work like this
all of the space is never used buy music)
> >
> >2) FMV is used to try and get the story across
>
> text as easily, but it's not as pretty.
>
> >
> >3) A good game in an oppion and should not be showed down anyones
> >throgt. As of this time I only want one N64 game. other may want any of
> >the games out.
>
> threads is that people should by the system (or systems) that have the
> games that they like.
>
> >
> >4) the N64 exclusive thing is going down as a lot of the games come to
> >PSX or are coming (i.e a game based on the Turok world is coming out for
> >PSX some time next year.
>
> getting developed for another platform. You will never see Mario,
> Mario Kart, WaveRace, Blast Corps, PilotWings, Killer Instinct,
> Cruis'n USA, or Shadows of the Empire on a PSX or Saturn much like you
> will never see Crash Bandicoot, Virtua Fighter or any other Sega or
> Sony made games on the N64.
Just at this time looking over the next four months there are 4 more
games coming out with the same thing happining.
> Vin
None1a
the 3D (the first FMV chips were fulty on the PSX thus the famous Skip
on early PSX's) take the PC 3D cards the ones that do 2D, 3D, and video
are a lot slower then the cards that are specialzed.
MrNiceGuy
>There may be 400 titles available for psx, but as a consumer who owns
>both PSX and N64 I have found that rental after rental of psx games have
>left me disappointed.
That's funny. I have rented every game available for the N64 and
they've all left me disappointed.
As of now, there are only two games worth
owning.. Mario and Waverace.
MrNiceGuy
kry...@bayou.com
http://www.bayou.com/~kryten
"Your knight in shining armor
Ain't no nice guy at all..."
"Forget all your opinions baby,
because I will always win!!!"
-Mr.Bungle
Joe Ottoson
Jason Coppes wrote:
> > 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> > 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound
> I don't buy games for the damn soundtrack, I buy them for graphics and
> playability.
>
IMO, the soundtrack can really impact the game's presentation when done
well. (How many FF3 players care to argue the point?) To say music isn't
relevant is like proclaiming that color games are fluff. That you'd
rather the programmers use 2 bit color becasue playability is all that
counts.
> >
> > 2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> > interest teenagers
> Uh, can you say Turok, Unreal, Duke Nukem, etc. Not exactly kids games.
>
I still can't exactly say those are mature games either. They still fal
within Nintendo's target reading audience (You know Turok's a comic book
character don't you?) Is Duke or Unreal any less aimed at the lil'
gorehound?
> > 3. [worthless PC port argument snipped]
> >
> > 4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> > hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
>
> Your evidence?
>
He needs evidence here? How can you back up nonsense like this? You can
lower your hardware and game prices because you have better marketing?!?
Hardware and game development still costs money regardless of who you
have shaking hands with the public...
> >
> > 5.[snipped. that's what My jag CD's for]
> >
> > 6. N64 Bulky drive so already
> > Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
> What about the rumors around the Playstation, with Sony planning to
> upgrade the thing for the newer games coming out?
>
Sony doesn't seem especially amenable to the idea from what Namco's been
saying lately. Besides, even in the rumors, it's coming in the form of a
minor (and inexpensive) RAM upgrade. That's a tad different than the
64DD.
> > 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> > development
> Give N64 time, they will make up the gap.
>
Looking at release lists, and Nintendo's past not to mention the slow to
build 3rd party support... Not gonna happen. The N64 will have a
substancially smaller library. (that's not saying anything about the
games that *are* going to be offered though) I'd personally say 200 N64
games by 2000 is really pushing the envelope...
> >
> > 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end.
> So? The game was declared Greatest Video Game of All Time by
> NextGeneration, a mag not known for their love of Nintendo.
>
I can see why this was thrown in. It's a jab at Nintendo's "innovation",
not at the titles out or coming out.
Hell,
> you can't even do Turok on the Playstation.
>
Your proof?
Vineet Gossain
In article <3367BB...@worldnet.att.net>,
None1a <jr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>1) The CD sound thing needs a lot more reading done by the people
>saying that you can only get 78 min. of sound on a cd. This is not true
>cd's are digital (i.e everything stored in binary code) music is read
>and translated by the cd player not the PSX's prosesors. The only reason
>music companies use more than one cd is to rase the price (cd bootlager
>know this they put two or three cd on just one)
Um, just because the data is digital doesn't mean that you can fit an
unlimited amount of data on a disc. There are 650 megabytes of space on
a compact disc, which translates (at a sample rate of 44.1 KHz) to about
78 minutes of music. I have never seen an audio cd with more than 78
minutes of music, and from my understanding, is not possible without
loss of musical quality.
>
>2) FMV is used to try and get the story across
Yes, but it is not essential to a game. You can get a story across with
text as easily, but it's not as pretty.
>
>3) A good game in an oppion and should not be showed down anyones
>throgt. As of this time I only want one N64 game. other may want any of
>the games out.
True, a totally valid point, and the bottom line of all N64/PSX/SS sucks!
threads is that people should by the system (or systems) that have the
games that they like.
>
>4) the N64 exclusive thing is going down as a lot of the games come to
>PSX or are coming (i.e a game based on the Turok world is coming out for
>PSX some time next year.
Actually, Turok is the only current "exclusive" N64 game that is
getting developed for another platform. You will never see Mario,
Mario Kart, WaveRace, Blast Corps, PilotWings, Killer Instinct,
Cruis'n USA, or Shadows of the Empire on a PSX or Saturn much like you
will never see Crash Bandicoot, Virtua Fighter or any other Sega or
Sony made games on the N64.
Vin
Kevin Michael Wesson Ault
In article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>, Mario <ma...@nintendo.com>
writes
>10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
>
>1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
>
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
>
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
>
> a music CD on a N64!
>
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
>
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
>
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
>
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>
> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
>
I heard this morning that they are chopping 100 quid off the price of
N64.
Kevin
--
Kevin Michael Wesson Ault
The Single Guy
Hee hee...I love getting a rise out of people...Can we all please get over
ourselves? It was a joke...and while I love my PSX, they're VIDEO GAMES!!!
Flaming wastes space and time...spare me the details of N64's awards and
accolades...I don't care, and I'm not alone...
Charles Miller Jr.
> You have to be able to do real 3-D on the fly to be called a capable 3-D
> machine. Maybe the term movie player will suite you better.
Then N64 must be able to do "real" 3-D on the "fly" to be called a
"capable" 3-D machine. Maybe the term moron will suit you better.
Keyser Söze
In article <01bc5610$22f6db00$3dcaae80@cwmiller>, "Charles Miller Jr."
<cwmi...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
Back off, jack ass! How can you insult this guy for that paragraph when
you wrote this in the VIDEO GAMES *I* WOULD LIKE TO SEE thread?
> Oh, and I guess you asked them politely to turn it down? And after that
> didn't work you went to a higher athority? Or did you just sit in you room
> and bitch to yourself and build up a hatered for these Rat-Bastereds? My
> neighbors bumb. I bumb. When we get a request to turn it down we do. I
> don't bitch about the guy that playes country as loud as he can because I
> do the same. I also understand that maybe he doesn't like rap. You know
> what? We are friends. Why? Because instead of just sitting there and
> getting PISSED to ourselves we COMMUNICATED.
"athority" is spelled "authority"; "you" should have been "your";
"hatered" is actually "hatred"; "Rat-Bastereds" is spelled "Rat
Bastards"; what the hell is "bumb"; "playes" is actually "plays".
That's 7 mistakes in one paragraph. He spelled "suit" with an 'e' on the
end and didn't use quotation marks (and they don't even belong with the
word capable.). Practice what you preach. I think the term "moron" is
better suited for you.
--
Many Banthas died bringing you this fodder...
Brad Bogert -- bbo...@mail.idt.net
Official fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Penguins, and Pirates, all things Star Wars, all things Alien, and Kevin Smith.
Darren Jacques
> > 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> > =======================================================
> >
> > 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> > the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> > 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> > memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> >
Who needs FMV when we have programmers of the quality of nintedo, you
can not have seen the intro and cut scences in Starfox they look like
FMV but there not. Its just down to have quality coders.
------------------------------------------------------
Darren Jacques
ead...@osmf.bt.co.uk
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Alan Kwan
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:28:42 +0100, Mario <ma...@nintendo.com> wrote:
>9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
>
>10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>
> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
Let me paraphrase 9. :
Sony Playstation is just releasing old games with a new name. Ridge
Racer is just Pole Position with a new name, and Tekken 3 and
Soul Edge are just Street Fighter with new names. No NEW games,
just new names.
...
Why is someone so shallow, easily fooled when the name is
changed? ...
"Live life with Heart."
Alan Kwan / ta...@netvigator.com
http://home.netvigator.com/~tarot (SFC game reviews)
In article <5k529g$r...@neptune.theplanet.co.uk>, Squirelly
<pa...@pcrsys.airtime.co.uk> writes
> Mario wrote in article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>...
>>10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
>>=======================================================
>>
>>1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
>> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
>> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
>> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
>> memory.
>>
>Who needs FMV when you can render photo realistic scenes in real time.
>Anyway most people only ever watch the FMV scenes once and then skip past
>them. ( There only really useful for shops rolling demos ).
>
>>2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
>> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
>> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
>>
>I Don't know any children who can afford £250 and £70+ a game, do you ?
>(by the way I am 25)
>
>>3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
>> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>>
>I have a PC and most of the so called games are rubbish, with the exception
>of Quake, and Tie Fighter.
>
>>4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
>> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
>> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
>>
>Nintendo have one think, product recognition. No one else has had the name
>Nintendo has in the Video gaming world, and no one ever will. People dont
>say 'Johny is playing vide games', they say 'Johny is playing Nintendo'.
>Simple as that, marketing does matter but Nintendo had the edge before Sony
>even thought of creating a console.
>
>>5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
>> a music CD on a N64!
>>
>Why, very expensive Cd-Player don't you think.
>
>>6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
>> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
>> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>>
>OK. But you can do a hell of a lot in 32Mb, most PSX games use more than
>half the CD for Music, and the game only takes up about a quarter of whats
>left, after you allow for the FMV and such. More space is not necessary if
>you use the space youve got well.
>>7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
>> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
>> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
>>
>The only reason for the playstation price drop seems to have been panic by
>Sony just before the release of the N64. Could this be true, are Sony
>running scared. Get a calendar and work out the dates, and judge for
>yourself.
>>
Sony running scared, I've hear it all now.
Listen to yourself please, Sony is one of the largest companies in the
world with a vast range of products of great diversity and they also
happen to be one of the largest record companies in the world.
There is now way that the success/failure of the playstaion is going to
make or break them.
Think about this for a minute. What products had Nintendo be selling
recently before the launch of the N64?
Remember the story about Nintendo approaching Sony to make a CD system
for the SNES then pulling the plug on it after Sony has spent big bucks
developing it then this CD system later went on to become the
Playstation.
Sony could have just written it off at that but they didn't.
If you haven't worked it out yet, the purpose of the Playstation is to
kill off Nintendo for welching on the deal and that's exactly what it
will do.
The is absolutey no way Nintendo can match the corporate muscle of Sony
and the will lose.
Who's scared now?
>8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
>> development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
>> important is that their are plenty of games available for
>> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
>> crap.
>>
>Yeh! did the PSX have 400 games out when it was first released, NO. The N64
>is a completely new machine, not a so called established machine, make this
>argument in another 12 months.
>>9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
>> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
>> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
>> very early 80s.
>>
>Almost every single game, on every format, for the last 5 years has been a
>rehash on an already established theme, or genre. Why lie, at least
>Nintendo are admitting that the games are newer versions of old games, not
>just disguising the fact.
>>10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
>> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>>
>Wuppy Do... Mario64, MarioKart64, WaveRace64 the list goes on. Nintendo
>have always produced inovative, original, and exclusive games for all there
>machines. This argument just doesn't stand up.
>
>> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
>> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
>>
>>=======================================================
>>
>Anyway why argue, I use both, like both the arguments just dont stand up in
>either ones favour. Well just have to see how the next twelve months pan
>out.
>
>
>
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Eggman 64
None1a wrote:
>
> First a run down on who is making the games you say are exclusive:
> > if you wana talk about exclusive licenses: golden eye, topgear rally,
>
> Don't realy know
Well that's your problem!
>
> > zelda64, starfox64,
>
> Nintendo (they don't coun't for the Exclusive thing in My oppinion)
Well unfortunately for you , they make the best games in the world, so
you better
count them in!
>
> >castlevania64,
>
> Not completly Exclusive (PSX version coming soon N64 will most likely
> just be an inproved graphics vesion la' Doom 64
I'm sorry for you again. While they PS version in 2D, N64 Castlevania
will be
totally 3D and looks set to be totally awesome. (I've got movies to
proof my point)
>
> >goemon 5 etc.
>
> Never heard of it
>
Never heard of Mystical Ninja?! What a saddo!
> >And who cares if the games have been done on a 16 bit platform, they are good, and the fact
> > that they are now 64 bit gives them a whole new look and feel. Just
> > because the storylines aren't new doesn't mean the games aren't fresh.
>
> I care I never bought a Super NES because the games just did not look
> att that fun to me.
Games are made to be PLAYED, not to be looked at, you wimp!
Typically a PS owner: only looks out the outside.....
>
> >There may be 400 titles available for psx, but as a consumer who owns
> > both PSX and N64 I have found that rental after rental of psx games have
> > left me disappointed. Look at the n64 release dates for the next few
> > months. It looks like nintendo has alot of games coming out that psx
> > can't match!
>
> Funny I am looking at the release list for the next 4 months and only
> coun't 11 titles 7 titles I can't get for another system.
Well than you're probably looking at the release list of last year!
By the way, 8 of the topselling games in the US are Nintendo games.
Even DKC3 outsells EVERY 32bit title. Shows only that Quality is
everything and
that in the end, PS owners have to look harder for quality titles than
N64 owners.
>
There's at least 75% chance that if you buy a PS title, you'll buy
dross.
(And that's very generous, cause there aren't even 50 quality PS games)
> >Who cares about fmv, I have yet to watch the opening to a
> > game more than once. I would rather have a good game than a good opening
> > sequence! Maybe psx should worry a little more about quality rather than
> > sequence. Maybe psx should focus on quality rather than quantity
> The FMV intros set the seen for the rest of the game (Wipeout's pumped
> up race intro, RE's Hell Dog chasing them into the house) they are used
> to tell the story insted of some crap text. I see 4 games coming in the
> next 4 months I want to buy for PSX and only one for N64.
Well that's because you're a sad moron, who doesn't know quality!
Buy the way, a Miyamoto game stands for months of fun, so it still
doesn't matter to most of us who played Nintendo games.
Eggman 64
Digital Carnage
In article <01bc55a5$c8b681a0$3dcaae80@cwmiller>,
Charles Miller Jr. <cwmi...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> That's correct, streamed CD music doesn't use much memory because the PSX
>> doesn't have enough memory to begin with.
>
>Has as much as the N64.
What I meant to say is that the PSX doesn't have to use it's main
processor for the music, it'll stream off the CD like a regular CD player,
which of course has its own processor(s).
[..that fmv thing..]
[..userbase argument..]
>> >>3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
>> >> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>
>> Yeah, in other words you are saying that you are willing to accept
>> generally inferior remakes of PC games on your PSX for the same price?
>
>Why, yes. If I don't get to play HITS on the PC because I don't own one,
>then the answer is yes.
This guy (the first post) wanted originality, but yet kept insisted that
the PSX will get a lot of unoriginal games ported from the PC platform.
>> You want original games!! You want remakes/conversions? The Saturn can
>> do a lot better with arcade conversions for 2D games!
>
>Yes, you want origionals like... Hexen? Doom? Quake? etc etc etc.
My point again is that the guy kept insisting on original games, but
implied that the PSX will get a lot of old PC game ports.
[..price..]
>> >>5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
>> >> a music CD on a N64!
>
>> Try finding really original games on the PSX.
>
>Sorry sir, you lose. The PSX has many more origional games than the N64
>will ever have. But as far as playing a CD on the PSX.... yeah right. Why
>play a CD on the PSX when you can on a CD player.
If you can name _all_ the games the N64 will ever have in the future then
maybe I'll agree with you, but you can't say the PSX will have more
originals than the N64 will _ever_ have unless you can either travel in
time or foresee the future.
A lot of games for _every_ platform are remakes of some kind at one point
or another. Name 10 American releases that the PSX has that is
original and perhaps a PSX exclusive.
>> >>6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
>> >> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
>> >> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
>> Yep and Sony doesn't want you to do the same thing when PSX C comes out
>> with more RAM and some new circuitry/built-in software thingies that will
>> make it easier for the new console from Sony to be more backward
>> compatible.
>> Sony doesn't insist on it, but if you want some of the even newer
>games...
>
>Agreed, but there is a different strategy behind the two. Sony does it to
>upgrade the system to make it better. N64 does it to give the N64
>something to fight with. The bulky drive is no more than a way for them to
>release the N64 at the price they had set.
Sony does it to make the system better, but Nintendo isn't? The PSX is
being upgraded in such a way so that if you don't own the newer PSX,
forget about some of the newers games. Then again you can't really stick
that N64DD disks inside the N64 cart slot and expect it to work.
Both companies want to make their system better. Sony wants it so that in
the near future, you can completely trash your old PSX and get a new one
so that you can play the newer games.
[...king of the hill...]
[...to be crap or not...]
>> So far the only games that I like on the PSX is SFA/SFA2. Final Fantasy?
>> Haven't played that one yet.
>> >>9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
>> >> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
>> >> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
>> >> very early 80s.
>> Hey, didn't you just say that the PSX is re-releasing a lot of the old PC
>> games? Yeah, sure, that fresh feeling. Let us see how many games the
>PSX
>> has that never appeared in the arcades, computers or other home consoles.
>
>About MOST.
Most? Name 10 that the we will see a release in the US.
>> >>10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
>> >> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>> And the arcade. Why do people like shooting at polygons anyway????
>Well, to quote a very smart person on the net... "Which games are crap
>really depends on who plays it doesn't it?" With this in mind, I LOVE Time
>Crisis. You like Wave Race, so what's the diff?
The point here is why keep claiming that the PSX has so many origianls
when it doesn't really. I like shooters, but more like Raiden and R-type
type shooters.
>> >> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
>> >> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
>
>> Yes they do. The PSX is not bad at all, but if it really was the world
>> leader, it should be able to handle every game thrown at it.
>Yes, just like the N64 with it's cart limits and strong arm on the Third
>Parties.
The guy kept claiming that the PSX is so great, but it can't handle some
of the recent arcade translations that the Saturn can handle (although
some had a RAM cart). I did not claim that the N64 is the greatest system
out there. I never felt that way.
Digital Carnage
In article <336695...@worldnet.att.net>,
None1a <jr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
[..don't really know stuff..]
>> zelda64, starfox64,
>Nintendo (they don't coun't for the Exclusive thing in My oppinion)
Why not? They are after all exclusive to the market now.
>>castlevania64,
>
>Not completly Exclusive (PSX version coming soon N64 will most likely
>just be an inproved graphics vesion la' Doom 64
No. The PSX version is exclusive in the sense that it is a sequel to the
Dracula X series where the graphics/animation and music are (of course)
more refined than that of the PC-Engine version. Ok, the SNES had an
inferior one too.
>>goemon 5 etc.
>Never heard of it
Legend of the Mystical Ninja or something like that.
Popular in Japan not in the US. I believe only 1 of 3 of the SNES version
was released in the US.
>I care I never bought a Super NES because the games just did not look
>att that fun to me.
And what systems did you own? During the Genesis and Nintendo war, many
of the games became cross platformed. Very few were exclusive.
>Funny I am looking at the release list for the next 4 months and only
>coun't 11 titles 7 titles I can't get for another system.
Seven out of 11 is a large percentage no?
Kyle Knight
Alan Kwan wrote in article <33686b2f...@news.netvigator.com>...
>Sony Playstation is just releasing old games with a new name. Ridge
>Racer is just Pole Position with a new name, and Tekken 3 and
>Soul Edge are just Street Fighter with new names. No NEW games,
>just new names.
>
Uh huh. Tekken and Soul Edge are just Street Fighter with new names. The
only thing that the two have in common with SF is the basis: two guys ( or
girls ) beating each other to a pulp. I have yet to make Roger ( yes Roger
is my "guy" ) shoot a fireball or do a shorureppa. Then pretty much every
fighter in existence is just another version of Street Fighter. Get some
experience with these games before you start making broad generalisations
about them.
Bjørnar Bolsøy
Jason Coppes <ja...@vbe.com> wrote:
> Mario wrote:
> > 10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
> > =======================================================
> >
> > 1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> > the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> > 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> > memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> > memory.
>
> I don't buy games for the damn soundtrack, I buy them for graphics and
> playability.
The you are missing a vital game-plot, and a vital considiration
on behalf of the game producers. Sound is there to enhance
your experience and soundtracks -as it's utalized on the PSX-
does wonders in this respect. As a small example I can just
refere to my first experience with Doom on the PSX. After
playing it networked for two years on the PC I was tired of it,
hadn't touched it for 6 months, but I completly took off on the
PSX because of the sound-experience.
Regards.
> > 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
>
> Wrong. Current ports planned include Unreal, Duke Nukem, Hexen, Quake,
> Command and Conquer, etc. In fact, most of these are already in the
> works. Also, Doom 64, though not a port, was originally a PC title.
Besides, the PSX won't be able at all to port the demanding
PC-games of tomorrow. The N64 will also struggle with this
though it will stay competitive for a longer period in
comparison.
> > 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> > a music CD on a N64!
>
> That's what stereos are for. I can play a CD on my PC too, but it
> sounds like shit compared to a stereo system.
The PSX actually has some _very_ good sound-cirquits
compared to a PC sound-card and the N64.
> > 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> > play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> > Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
> What about the rumors around the Playstation, with Sony planning to
> upgrade the thing for the newer games coming out?
Rumors? I don't bet on rumors.
> > 9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> > not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> > the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> > very early 80s.
> So? The game was declared Greatest Video Game of All Time by
> NextGeneration, a mag not known for their love of Nintendo.
Mario 64? "Greatest Video Game of All Time"? *chuckle*
> The N64 is the king and Sony will have to scramble to meet the
> higher power of the N64. I will give you one thing, Nintendo was dumb
> for not going to CD.
And Nintendo will have to scramble to meet power of the PC...
Regards.
Kyle Knight
Eggman 64 wrote in article <33687A...@informatics.medfac>...
>
>> > zelda64, starfox64,
>>
>> Nintendo (they don't coun't for the Exclusive thing in My oppinion)
>
>Well unfortunately for you , they make the best games in the world, so
>you better
>count them in!
It's debatable whether they make the best games in the world, I'll count
them in.
>I'm sorry for you again. While they PS version in 2D, N64 Castlevania
>will be
>totally 3D and looks set to be totally awesome. (I've got movies to
>proof my point)
>
They're both exclusive. I agree that Castlevania 64 will look very good,
but some of us still appreciate the qualities of a 2D scroller.
>Games are made to be PLAYED, not to be looked at, you wimp!
>Typically a PS owner: only looks out the outside.....
>
You were fine while you kept your comments to the message itself. I could
characterise you N64 owners as blind adherents to a company name, but I
won't. Let's keep the discussion to games and companies and not make
sweeping generalisations about PSX, N64, or Saturn owners.
>
Shows only that Quality is
everything and
>that in the end, PS owners have to look harder for quality titles than
>N64 owners.
The reason N64 owners have an easier time looking for quality titles is
because all you have to do is find Mario64 and Wave Racer. Your search
ends there. ( please read on before you flame ).
>There's at least 75% chance that if you buy a PS title, you'll buy
>dross.
>(And that's very generous, cause there aren't even 50 quality PS games)
There aren't 5 quality nintendo games ( please read on before you flame ).
>Well that's because you're a sad moron, who doesn't know quality!
>Buy the way, a Miyamoto game stands for months of fun, so it still
>doesn't matter to most of us who played Nintendo games.
>
> Eggman 64
Seriously, the quality of a game is mostly subjective. What is quality to
one person may be nothing to another. I have a Pong remake on an XT I keep
in one corner of my room and I enjoy it more than some of the games out
today. Miaymoto games do stand for months of fun, but most other N64 games
out now are sad ( IMO ). My real problem with nintendo is its arrogance.
Howard Lincoln sits behind his sales figures for Cruisin' USA and uses them
to prove that it's a phenomenal game. I think it's crap. When the N64 was
launched Nintendo promised that the technology would be revolutionary (
it's good, but not revolutionary ) and that all games produced would be
revolutionary. They even went so far as to assemble a corps of developers
and call it their dream team. Most of the games haven't been
revolutionary, and more than one developer in the dream team is second rate
at best. Even if you boiled Nintendo's promise down to making no bad
games, they still haven't come through.
Before you flame me, I own both a PSX and a N64. I play them both.
Richard
On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:18:21 GMT, kry...@bayou.com (MrNiceGuy) wrote:
>
>
>>There may be 400 titles available for psx, but as a consumer who owns
>>both PSX and N64 I have found that rental after rental of psx games have
>>left me disappointed.
>
>That's funny. I have rented every game available for the N64 and
>they've all left me disappointed.
>As of now, there are only two games worth
>owning.. Mario and Waverace.
>
>
>MrNiceGuy
>kry...@bayou.com
>http://www.bayou.com/~kryten
Untrue, MarioKart is also worth owning.
>
>"Your knight in shining armor
> Ain't no nice guy at all..."
>"Forget all your opinions baby,
> because I will always win!!!"
> -Mr.Bungle
>
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ric...@workman.demon.co.uk
Andy Wallington
In article <01bc54be$b5f84f40$0b40...@jbutler.krisalis.co.uk>, Jay
<jbu...@krisalis.co.uk> spoke forth in gleefull tones
>
>> I Don't know any children who can afford £250 and £70+ a game, do you ?
>> (by the way I am 25)
>
> No, I'm 27 and I can't / won't pay them sort of prices !
You may be interested to know I heard today that N64 is having 100ukp
knocked off it, I think a 64 will look quite nice next my PS soon!
Andy
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Bjørnar Bolsøy
MonkeyMan <Monk...@ThePentagon.COM> wrote:
> Kevin Gamache wrote:
> > Who cares!!!! The overall of the N64 are better than PSX.
>
> Disagree. Things that N64 are better: texture mapping, 64-bit, fast
> loading, faster processor.
> PSX: polygon count (TWICE as much TEXTURE MAPPED ploygons per sec,
> according to the specs I seen, 200,000 vs. 100,000; PSX can display
> 360,000 flat-shad polygons per sec),
The N64s polygon engine is much more complex though and
incorporates numerous real-time effects (such as anti-aliasing,
z-bufffering mip-mapping etc.) not possible om the PSX without
a big drop in performance.
> CD-ROMs (600+ MBytes per CD,
> muti-CD games), games and more games, only system allow you to link-up
> (two full screen arcade gaming),
Computers have been doing this for a decade though.. :)
> FMVs, more space for music and voices.
The N64 is more than capable of handling FMV, storage
medium and space is the problem.
> > Go to the store more often. N64 do reducing the price. If you said that
> > they are expensive. I will say because it is new. If PSX sell new game
(the
> > original one), they will sell high
>
> Even the NEW PSX games cost under $50. N64 games are expensive becuz N64
> uses CART (how many time have we said that).
Using carts is close to redicules if you ask me, but Nintendo
clearly has business, not consumer, oriented veiw on this.
They wan't to make as much money as possible, which is
natural of course.
Then again, carts are much tougher than CD's so they
survive longer.
Regards.
Derek Jolly
On Thu, 1 May 1997 16:29:28 +0100, Andy Wallington
<an...@ewglos.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<it's a Stanley knife this time>
>You may be interested to know I heard today that N64 is having 100ukp
>knocked off it, I think a 64 will look quite nice next my PS soon!
<sig snipped>
Yes. I saw in both Game and Virgin at lunchtime N64 boxes with the
knockdown price of 149.99 on them. I just might consider getting one
to sit next to my PSX now as well.
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Anything remotely resembling a point is mine and not
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explosive
> Untrue, MarioKart is also worth owning.
Not that this is a totally opinionated subject which can be argued for
life, but...
Mario Kart is disappointing. Some like it, some don't, but many diehard
gamers just think it fell short.
I'll leave it at that. I don't care to argue an arguement from three
months ago. =)
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Alan Kwan <ta...@netvigator.com> wrote in article
<33686b2f...@news.netvigator.com>...
> On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:28:42 +0100, Mario <ma...@nintendo.com> wrote:
> Sony Playstation is just releasing old games with a new name. Ridge
> Racer is just Pole Position with a new name, and Tekken 3 and
> Soul Edge are just Street Fighter with new names. No NEW games,
> just new names.
If you think Soul Edge or Tekken are even close to SF2, then you know
nothing about fighting games. They have only one thing in common -- the
point is to kill the other guy in one on one combat. That's it for
similarities between SF and TK / SE. I consider Soul Edge and Tekken to be
much more alike, but nevertheless, both are unique and offer a different
fighting "experiance."
Jay
None1a <jr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<3367FB...@worldnet.att.net>...
> Buitron wrote:
> >
> > Joseph Lee <nugu...@netcom.com> wrote in article
> > <nugundamE...@netcom.com>...
> > > Squirelly (pa...@pcrsys.airtime.co.uk) wrote:
> > > : Who needs FMV when you can render photo realistic scenes in real
time.
> > >
> > > Well, low-res, low-poly count scenes on the N64 just can't compare to
> > > more expensive, more capable 3D machines that render the FMV in the
first
> > > place. Otherwise, people would just use the machine realtime instead
of
> > > FMV to avoid the compression artifacts that fuzz the nice FMV
picture.
> > > --
> >
> > You have to be able to do real 3-D on the fly to be called a capable
3-D
> > machine. Maybe the term movie player will suite you better.
> He's actualy right the FMV is handed by a different part of the PSX then
> the 3D (the first FMV chips were fulty on the PSX thus the famous Skip
> on early PSX's) take the PC 3D cards the ones that do 2D, 3D, and video
> are a lot slower then the cards that are specialzed.
No, they FMV chips were not faulty on early PSX's, that's complete
bullshit !
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Jay
None1a <jr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<3367BB...@worldnet.att.net>...
> 1) The CD sound thing needs a lot more reading done by the people
> saying that you can only get 78 min. of sound on a cd. This is not true
> cd's are digital (i.e everything stored in binary code) music is read
> and translated by the cd player not the PSX's prosesors. The only reason
> music companies use more than one cd is to rase the price (cd bootlager
> know this they put two or three cd on just one)
Complete and utter bullshit !
If you're talking about CD-Audio disks then these have to adhere to the
RED_BOOK standard. Which means that you can get only 78 mins of music per
CD. Yes the music can be compressed, but then it's not a CD-DA disk
anymore.
JAY
Charles Miller Jr.
Um... dude, that IS FMV.
Charles Miller Jr.
Keyser Söze <bbo...@mail.idt.net> wrote in article
<bbogert-0105...@ppp-9.ts-1.phx.idt.net>...
> In article <01bc5610$22f6db00$3dcaae80@cwmiller>, "Charles Miller Jr."
> <cwmi...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> > > You have to be able to do real 3-D on the fly to be called a capable
3-D
> > > machine. Maybe the term movie player will suite you better.
> >
> > Then N64 must be able to do "real" 3-D on the "fly" to be called a
> > "capable" 3-D machine. Maybe the term moron will suit you better.
>
> Back off, jack ass! How can you insult this guy for that paragraph when
> you wrote this in the VIDEO GAMES *I* WOULD LIKE TO SEE thread?
Because it is wrong.... Just like I will call you a "jack ass" and school
yard bitch because you are one.
> > Oh, and I guess you asked them politely to turn it down? And after
that
> > didn't work you went to a higher athority? Or did you just sit in you
room
> > and bitch to yourself and build up a hatered for these Rat-Bastereds?
My
> > neighbors bumb. I bumb. When we get a request to turn it down we do.
I
> > don't bitch about the guy that playes country as loud as he can because
I
> > do the same. I also understand that maybe he doesn't like rap. You
know
> > what? We are friends. Why? Because instead of just sitting there and
> > getting PISSED to ourselves we COMMUNICATED.
>
> "athority" is spelled "authority"; "you" should have been "your";
> "hatered" is actually "hatred"; "Rat-Bastereds" is spelled "Rat
> Bastards"; what the hell is "bumb"; "playes" is actually "plays".
> That's 7 mistakes in one paragraph. He spelled "suit" with an 'e' on
the
> end and didn't use quotation marks (and they don't even belong with the
> word capable.). Practice what you preach. I think the term "moron" is
> better suited for you.
Ok, butt fucker... I see where you got your little rise frrom... now stroke
your dick until it goes back down and let that all but too presious
(please, spell check that for me bitch) blood come back from your brain so
we can speak. If you had half a fucking brain you butt snacker you could
tell I didn't put ANYTHING in quotes to spell check it, because I DIDN'T
fucking SPELL CHECK IT because I'm not a fucking spelling lamer like your
dumb ass. I did it to show that the words he had used were open ended and
could be defined any way the reader wanted too. If the PSX is not "real"
3-D then what makes the N64 "real" 3-D? But don't answer that, just flame
how I spelled pressious and get your jollies butt fucker. I don't even
know why you spelling lamers come out at night....
Just DO SOMETHING.... just Do it....
None1a
> >
> > > zelda64, starfox64,
> >
> > Nintendo (they don't coun't for the Exclusive thing in My oppinion)
>
> Well unfortunately for you , they make the best games in the world, so
> you better
> count them in!
them for anything else. (on a side note I also don't count sony made
titles for PSX exclusive) the only thing I will count is a game that has
some posibility of coming out on other systems
> Games are made to be PLAYED, not to be looked at, you wimp!
> Typically a PS owner: only looks out the outside.....
I have played any SuperNES games that have a consept I tought was fun
but was never impresed with the way it turned out.
> > Funny I am looking at the release list for the next 4 months and only
> > coun't 11 titles 7 titles I can't get for another system.
>
> Well than you're probably looking at the release list of last year!
> By the way, 8 of the topselling games in the US are Nintendo games.
> Even DKC3 outsells EVERY 32bit title. Shows only that Quality is
> everything and
> that in the end, PS owners have to look harder for quality titles than
> N64 owners.
> >
> There's at least 75% chance that if you buy a PS title, you'll buy
> dross.
> (And that's very generous, cause there aren't even 50 quality PS games)
No the release list I was looking at was for may through august 1997
Funny about the DKCS I had no idea RE was out sold.
> Well that's because you're a sad moron, who doesn't know quality!
> Buy the way, a Miyamoto game stands for months of fun, so it still
> doesn't matter to most of us who played Nintendo games.
There a more PSX games out that can hold the replay value for months
(and even more comingout Bushido Blade, FFVII, Tobal 2) most of the N64
games coming are action and you can only play them once and then there
dull.
I do plan to buy and N64 as soon as soom damn games I want come out.
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Derek Jolly wrote:
>
> On Thu, 1 May 1997 16:29:28 +0100, Andy Wallington
> <an...@ewglos.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <it's a Stanley knife this time>
> >You may be interested to know I heard today that N64 is having 100ukp
> >knocked off it, I think a 64 will look quite nice next my PS soon!
> <sig snipped>
>
> Yes. I saw in both Game and Virgin at lunchtime N64 boxes with the
> knockdown price of 149.99 on them. I just might consider getting one
> to sit next to my PSX now as well.
I definitely will not buy a N64 mainly because I don't like most of the
games available for it. A couple of months ago I purchased a Sega
Saturn to sit next to my Playstation. Guess what? Couldn't afford all
the games coming out for both systems! :(
Danny Kusters
In article <3365CD...@nintendo.com>, Mario <ma...@nintendo.com> wrote:
>10 Reasons why N64 is not going to overtake Playstation
>=======================================================
>
>1. The N64 will never be able to use FMV or CD Quality Sound,
> the N64 does have high quality sound but to use samples of
> 44MHz+ (CD QUALITY) would take up far too much cart and
> memory space. Sound played direct from CD takes hardly any
> memory.
FMV is far from crucial, as is CD quality sound.
>2. N64 is based more at children, not as many games will
> interest teenagers (currently the larger sales market).
> Playstation has been aimed more at teenagers.
But the more informed gamer will know that N64 games are very
enjoyable even for adults. Same with PSX.
>3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little
> software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
So? I'd like to have console games on a console, not PC ports!
>4. Sony will keep on reducing the price of software and
> hardware and they can afford to as their marketing teams have
> many years more experience with driving sales than NINTENDO.
May be true.
>5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> a music CD on a N64!
Now why would I want to do that?
>6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
Zelda64 will be cartridge you idiot.
>7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
N64 price dropped also in the UK.
>8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> development, alright not all are spectacular,
"Not all"? That's the understatement of the year!
> but what is
> important is that their are plenty of games available for
> you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> crap.
Yup, I agree. Not much choice in N64 games.
>9. Nintendo are rereleasing old games with a 64 on the end. Why
> not NEW games with a fresh feeling, is mario the charater of
> the 90s or just a remix of an old arcade charater, from the
> very early 80s.
Who cares? Those re-releases are easily as good if not better
then the best PSX games!
You go play Crash!
>10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
Cool games, I admit.
> SONY PLAYSTATION .... Nintendo had it once, and failed but
> Sony knew a good thing when they had it.
>
>=======================================================
You are jealous as hell. Why not get a N64 so you can brag
about them both?
Grtx, Ryu
Alexander Carlton
Kevin Gamache (aslp...@ez-access.com) wrote:
:
: Who cares!!!! The overall of the N64 are better than PSX.
: Eh, for children. Let me refresh your mind. I am 20 years old and I am
: still playing Nintendo. Many of my friend who are same age as me still
: playing Nintendo. All I say is that Nintendo are for all age while you said
: it is aim for teenagers. So Nintendo are better.
: Go to the store more often. N64 do reducing the price. If you said that
: they are expensive. I will say because it is new. If PSX sell new game (the
: original one), they will sell high but they keep copy them from PC while I
: can get them in computer store. What a waste!!!
: Congratulation to reach 400+ games but they all are copy and can buy from
: computer store for PC computer while N64 have 6 new original game and more
: to come in future.
: It make me feel bond to game character than keep making more new character.
Looks like college has not helped your grammar one bit.
I would guess you are trying to pretend to be older than you really are,
because the alternative is that you are a bumbling idiot.
Sorry about the non-relevant post, but quality control instincts kicked
in.
Alex Carlton, A.I. Grammar Correction Project
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None1a
Seymont wrote:
>
> Jason Coppes (ja...@vbe.com) wrote:
>
> > Turok is exclusive to the N64 and other titles will be as well. Hell,
> > you can't even do Turok on the Playstation.
You can do anything in Turok on the Playstation. If fact according to
the companies makeing PSX games the upper sections of the PSX ablitys
have not evan began to be used.
Charles Miller Jr.
> If you can name _all_ the games the N64 will ever have in the future then
> maybe I'll agree with you, but you can't say the PSX will have more
> originals than the N64 will _ever_ have unless you can either travel in
> time or foresee the future.
> A lot of games for _every_ platform are remakes of some kind at one point
> or another. Name 10 American releases that the PSX has that is
> original and perhaps a PSX exclusive.
Remakes of what though? Of arcade games? That is not a minus but a plus.
Are you really trying to say that out of 500 PSX games that not even 10 of
them are origional and exclusive? One thing that will really stunt the N64
is Nintendo's strong arming or the Third Parties. They might be able to do
that when they are on top, but not on the way up. This is why I predict
that the N64 will not have as many EXCLUSIVES or ORIGIONALS.
> Sony does it to make the system better, but Nintendo isn't?
But, what you missed in this was the fact that Nintendo has to do it to get
up to par with the other systems and PSX has to do it to stay ahead. Two
different things.
> The PSX is
> being upgraded in such a way so that if you don't own the newer PSX,
> forget about some of the newers games. Then again you can't really stick
> that N64DD disks inside the N64 cart slot and expect it to work.
Point is?
> Both companies want to make their system better. Sony wants it so that
in
> the near future, you can completely trash your old PSX and get a new one
> so that you can play the newer games.
So does NINTENDO though.... if they didn't you would have gotten some
upgrade to your SNES to make it better instead of having to buy a N64.
Come on, at least THINK about it.
> Most? Name 10 that the we will see a release in the US.
RE1
RE2
Twisted Metal1
Twisted Metal2
Deception
Kain
Crash
Tokyo HB
Tobal1
Tobal2
Jet Moto
Motor Toon
In the Zone1
In the Zone2
etc
etc
etc
>
> >> >>10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many more
> >> >> all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
>
> >> And the arcade. Why do people like shooting at polygons anyway????
>
> >Well, to quote a very smart person on the net... "Which games are crap
> >really depends on who plays it doesn't it?" With this in mind, I LOVE
Time
> >Crisis. You like Wave Race, so what's the diff?
>
> The point here is why keep claiming that the PSX has so many origianls
> when it doesn't really. I like shooters, but more like Raiden and R-type
> type shooters.
Um, you stated exspressly that you wanted to know why people would want to
shoot at polygons. That was a bad move. And where you pull that arcade
conversions are in some way bad out of we will never know.... or want to.
> >Yes, just like the N64 with it's cart limits and strong arm on the Third
> >Parties.
>
> The guy kept claiming that the PSX is so great, but it can't handle some
> of the recent arcade translations that the Saturn can handle (although
> some had a RAM cart). I did not claim that the N64 is the greatest
system
> out there. I never felt that way.
Then don't say it. What you are doing is setting yourself up on things you
don't have to to make your point.
Buitron
> I think he meant how Lara, Chris and Jill use their gun shoot right on
> Mario's fat ass, then the giant snake, hounds, and bears jump in...blood
> all over the place... (just a joke, from a PSX owner who agreed with
> all ten reasons)
>
Probably because they are jealous that Mario took the CGDC awards for the
best console game and best game of 1996 away from them. Ha Ha Ha. (just
another joke from a N64 owner that thinks that the ten reasons are also a
joke)
Mark Tseytlin
In <3367C4...@ThePentagon.COM> MonkeyMan
<Monk...@ThePentagon.COM> writes:
>Jason Coppes wrote:
>>
>> > 10. Rage Racer, Soul Edge, Tekken 3, Time Crisis, and many
more
>> > all exclusive to the worlds only leader.
Hell,
>> you can't even do Turok on the Playstation.
>
>
He he he, even if(and it probably will) Turok comes on psx(at half the
n64 price...) I still won't buy it cause it sucks and it might as well
have been called "Doom with time travel!" get some originall ideas
Aclaim! They haven't made a good game since.. EVER!
MISHA
Amiri Jones
What's a GBP?
David Burnett
In article <5k8okh$b83$1...@Radon.Stanford.EDU>, Vineet Gossain
<v...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> writes
>Actually, Turok is the only current "exclusive" N64 game that is
>getting developed for another platform. You will never see
> Shadows of the Empire on a PSX or Saturn
No but you`ll get to see it on the PC....
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Jay wrote:
>
> > He's actualy right the FMV is handed by a different part of the PSX then
> > the 3D (the first FMV chips were fulty on the PSX thus the famous Skip
> > on early PSX's) take the PC 3D cards the ones that do 2D, 3D, and video
> > are a lot slower then the cards that are specialzed.
>
> No, they FMV chips were not faulty on early PSX's, that's complete
> bullshit !
>
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Bjørnar Bolsøy wrote:
>
> MonkeyMan <Monk...@ThePentagon.COM> wrote:
>
> > > Who cares!!!! The overall of the N64 are better than PSX.
> >
> > loading, faster processor.
> > PSX: polygon count (TWICE as much TEXTURE MAPPED ploygons per sec,
> > according to the specs I seen, 200,000 vs. 100,000; PSX can display
> > 360,000 flat-shad polygons per sec),
>
> The N64s polygon engine is much more complex though and
> incorporates numerous real-time effects (such as anti-aliasing,
> z-bufffering mip-mapping etc.) not possible om the PSX without
> a big drop in performance.
Actually, anti-aliasing and mip-mapping is impossible on the PSX even
with a big drop in performance. :) not sure about z-buffering, but
probably not.
MonkeyMan
We were talking about exclusives for both systems....
anyway, I never like 1st-person shooters (i.e. Doom clones) that much.
Troy Davis
You anti-nintendoists will stop at nothing! "the only excluive games are
by Nintendo" "third party support" blah blah blah. Look at the 700 SNES
games, the best selling of those were made by (guess?)..NINTENDO. The
Nintendo games were like the only ones to be on the best seling sales
chart. So your arguments are hogwash. so when you talk about 3rd party
this and that just remember why people buy Nintendo consoles, to play
Nintendo games. Rare games are up there on the sales charts too.
The NES dominated the 8-bit software sales. The SNES DOMINATED the
16-bit software sales and the N64 DOMINATES the next generation sales.
Dont use that tired 'little amount of software", "desprate for games"
crap because the NES AND SNES had HUNDREDS of games.
Troy Davis
CD quality sound,huh? HAVE YOU PLAYED BLAST CORPS!!!!!! U most likely
didnt. So get your facts straight. U people need help, you stay up all
hours of the night thinking of ways to bash the N64 GIVE IT UP AND GET A
LIFE!!!!!!
Tri Huynh
Besides, you can't copy N64 games with ease.
A playstation fan!
Bryan Wall <bw...@iglou.com> wrote in article
<336a95ab...@news.iglou.com>...
> >If you can name _all_ the games the N64 will ever have in the future
then
> >maybe I'll agree with you, but you can't say the PSX will have more
> >originals than the N64 will _ever_ have unless you can either travel in
> >time or foresee the future.
>
> The president of Nintendo admitted this himself in an interview with
> Next Generation Magazine.
>
> >Sony does it to make the system better, but Nintendo isn't? The PSX is
> >being upgraded in such a way so that if you don't own the newer PSX,
> >forget about some of the newers games. Then again you can't really
stick
>
> Sony is doing it to make their system better, Nintendo is doing it to
> be able to run games larger than 16 MB. The Bulky Drive will in no
> way enhance the speed, graphics, or anything else related to gameplay.
> It will just hold more data than a cart (but still less than a tenth
> of a PSX CD)
>
> >The point here is why keep claiming that the PSX has so many origianls
> >when it doesn't really. I like shooters, but more like Raiden and
R-type
> >type shooters.
>
> Well, there are over 400 games available for the PSX, and I would
> guess close to 200 have to be originals. How many originals does N64
> have? 4?
>
> Just one thing I wanted to add, take a look at some of the games which
> are going to be released in the next 6 months on the PSX. The PSX
> programmers must have figured out some new tricks, Sony's programmers
> in particular, because they are starting to use the "hi-res" mode of
> the Playstation which looks just about as good as the N64 graphics,
> and they are getting some good framerates too.
>
> Bryan
>
Keyser Söze
In article <01bc567f$7fddaa00$3dcaae80@cwmiller>, "Charles Miller Jr."
<cwmi...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Keyser Söze <bbo...@mail.idt.net> wrote in article
> <bbogert-0105...@ppp-9.ts-1.phx.idt.net>...
> > Back off, jack ass! How can you insult this guy for that paragraph when
> > you wrote this in the VIDEO GAMES *I* WOULD LIKE TO SEE thread?
>
> Because it is wrong.... Just like I will call you a "jack ass" and school
> yard bitch because you are one.
>
If you say it, it must be so right? I get so tired of you cum-guzzling
cock-knockers going around posting to NGs thinking they are always right
and anyone who flames them (however deserving they are) must have an IQ
lower than 20 and that they are able to flame without anyone else flaming
them. Face it, you were wrong for flaming the original poster criticizing
the exclusion of quotes and an 'E'. You are one of the "spelling lamers"
you bitch about so arrogantly in the next paragraph.
> Ok, butt fucker... I see where you got your little rise frrom... now stroke
> your dick until it goes back down and let that all but too presious
> (please, spell check that for me bitch) blood come back from your brain so
> we can speak. If you had half a fucking brain you butt snacker you could
> tell I didn't put ANYTHING in quotes to spell check it, because I DIDN'T
> fucking SPELL CHECK IT because I'm not a fucking spelling lamer like your
> dumb ass. I did it to show that the words he had used were open ended and
> could be defined any way the reader wanted too. If the PSX is not "real"
> 3-D then what makes the N64 "real" 3-D? But don't answer that, just flame
> how I spelled pressious and get your jollies butt fucker. I don't even
> know why you spelling lamers come out at night....
>
> Just DO SOMETHING.... just Do it....
Well, you still can't spell for shit, but at least you have proven that
you have a colorful (though somewhat limited) vocabulary...
Let me get this straight...I am a "butt fucker" who gets off on correcting
spelling and only has half a brain? Ok, so what does that make you?
Well, since you can't spell for shit and went off the rocker so easily
when I pointed out your faults in writing after you pointed someone else's
out that wasn't so deserving target and now have resorted to this third
grade game of name calling...well gee, I think we all have put you on the
level of Albert Einstein in our books. Oh wait, let me rephrase so that
your mind will be able to comprehend that last part... You're so fucking
intelligent that we all now hold you in the same fucking regard as that
other butt snacker Albert Einstein.
As for what the original author meant, he meant that there haven't been
any games that let you explore a vast 3D world like Mario64 that allow you
to go anywhere you want to. The closest thing was Crash, which restricted
you to a small carved path.
And the correct spelling is "precious".
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Charles Miller Jr.
Keyser Söze <bbo...@mail.idt.net> wrote in article
<bbogert-0205...@ppp-2.ts-1.phx.idt.net>...
> In article <01bc567f$7fddaa00$3dcaae80@cwmiller>, "Charles Miller Jr."
> <cwmi...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> > Keyser Söze <bbo...@mail.idt.net> wrote in article
> > <bbogert-0105...@ppp-9.ts-1.phx.idt.net>...
> > > Back off, jack ass! How can you insult this guy for that paragraph
when
> > > you wrote this in the VIDEO GAMES *I* WOULD LIKE TO SEE thread?
> >
> > Because it is wrong.... Just like I will call you a "jack ass" and
school
> > yard bitch because you are one.
> >
>
> If you say it, it must be so right?
Only thing I said simpleton was that the N64 is not producing "real" 3-D as
apposed to the PSX. Other than that you went totally bonkers. I feel sad
that my taste in Music is such a personally thing with you. I'm not
black... I mean, if that is your problem with me then it is off. You sound
to be a racist and that is all I can make of it. Other than that you just
put your foot in your mouth big time.
> I get so tired of you cum-guzzling
> cock-knockers going around posting to NGs thinking they are always right
> and anyone who flames them (however deserving they are) must have an IQ
> lower than 20 and that they are able to flame without anyone else flaming
> them.
Oh... a little tad bit oh the side of Hypocracy there fucko. You are a big
time shmuck. At least thing before you post. Poor baby got flamed for
being stupid and now he has to go off the wall about it. Sad buddy.
> Face it, you were wrong for flaming the original poster criticizing
> the exclusion of quotes and an 'E'. You are one of the "spelling lamers"
> you bitch about so arrogantly in the next paragraph.
Am I now? Then WHY didn't I point out that he had added an E? You were
the ONLY ONE to bring this up. I don't do it because I tend to make
spelling errors. You do it for a lack of wit. I put quotes there to make
a point that what he was saying had never been defined. You are the only
one bitching about spelling... I wouldn't think of it. Now that you got
busted for being the bitch you are you try to cover your tracks with this
pathetic BS. Sad buddy.
>
> > Ok, butt fucker... I see where you got your little rise frrom... now
stroke
> > your dick until it goes back down and let that all but too presious
> > (please, spell check that for me bitch) blood come back from your brain
so
> > we can speak. If you had half a fucking brain you butt snacker you
could
> > tell I didn't put ANYTHING in quotes to spell check it, because I
DIDN'T
> > fucking SPELL CHECK IT because I'm not a fucking spelling lamer like
your
> > dumb ass. I did it to show that the words he had used were open ended
and
> > could be defined any way the reader wanted too. If the PSX is not
"real"
> > 3-D then what makes the N64 "real" 3-D? But don't answer that, just
flame
> > how I spelled pressious and get your jollies butt fucker. I don't even
> > know why you spelling lamers come out at night....
> >
> > Just DO SOMETHING.... just Do it....
>
> Well, you still can't spell for shit, but at least you have proven that
> you have a colorful (though somewhat limited) vocabulary...
Um, I won't point out every spelling error you make because I'm not a
narrow sighted bitch who is not capable of living in a multi-cultural
world, such as the Internet, where not EVERYONE has your FRIM grasp on the
english language, amoung other things you have a firm grasp on. All you
know is spelling words so that is all you bring to this? Sad buddy. At
least you could have shown us where the N64 DOES do "real" 3-D, but no, you
haven't got anything but a vendeta against me and my spelling. And you
"colorful vocabulary" put you on the next level of hypocracy. Give it up,
at least settle down so you can at me with half a brain... Either that, or
give up and go back to gluing the pages of your vocab book together with
you freshly pumped jiz. Hold on.... Soze... Name rings a bell... I think
I know your mom... E-Mail me a pic of her, I must know half the whores from
your town. (time to play name that "quote")
> Let me get this straight...I am a "butt fucker" who gets off on
correcting
> spelling and only has half a brain?
Guess so, at least that is all you have proven yourself to be.
> Ok, so what does that make you?
Someone talking about SONY and VIDEO GAMES... remember the name of this
group? Um, no... you just have a "mis-spell" checker and run it on all the
groups hu?
> Well, since you can't spell for shit and went off the rocker so easily
> when I pointed out your faults in writing after you pointed someone
else's
> out that wasn't so deserving target and now have resorted to this third
> grade game of name calling...well gee, I think we all have put you on the
> level of Albert Einstein in our books. Oh wait, let me rephrase so that
> your mind will be able to comprehend that last part... You're so fucking
> intelligent that we all now hold you in the same fucking regard as that
> other butt snacker Albert Einstein.
Um, first off I never spelling flamed him. That is for half wit pussies
who don't have anything constructive to add. I NEVER pointed out a
spelling error of his. Man, please READ AND UNDERSTAND before you flame!
Oh, I'm the one who went off the handle? Oh yes, now I remember calling
you a jack ass out of the blue and not correcting my spelling, but rather
flaming it. You are sad. You kan spel so u mus be rele fuking smart hu?
Bullshit. I'm stupid because I flamed you for flaming me over spelling?
Well, guess that makes you stupid for thinking you needed to flame me for
my spelling. You're a fuck. And, you making me out to be a person who is
unintelegent because I cuss is backfiring on you. You cussed in both of
these posts. Man, you're just one big fucking hypocrite.
> As for what the original author meant, he meant that there haven't been
> any games that let you explore a vast 3D world like Mario64 that allow
you
> to go anywhere you want to. The closest thing was Crash, which
restricted
> you to a small carved path.
Um, sorry but that is NOT what he MENT or SAID. He said... QUOTE....
"
> Well, low-res, low-poly count scenes on the N64 just can't compare to
> more expensive, more capable 3D machines that render the FMV in the first
> place. Otherwise, people would just use the machine realtime instead of
> FMV to avoid the compression artifacts that fuzz the nice FMV picture.
> --
You have to be able to do real 3-D on the fly to be called a capable 3-D
machine. Maybe the term movie player will suite you better.
"
Which clearly, at least to us who have a clue, states that the graphics
power houses, like the SGI workstations, are no more than a MOVIE PLAYER.
Now, since you are a numbnutt, I will explain this, and feel free to run it
through your spell checker so you can flame the spelling. The origional
poster said that the N64 can not compare to the more CAPABLE [SGI
WORKSTATIONS] that the FMV is rendered on. All he said was that the SGIs
are more capable than the N64, care to dispute? Now in responce, the MORON
says that the SGIs are not capable of "real" 3-D on the FLY, therefor not
more capable than an N64. He then goes on to call the SGI WORKSTATIONS
movie players. Now, where you get the idea he was talking about Mario 64
and where CRASH WAS EVER INTRODUCED is beyond us, but we didn't expect more
from a spelling flaming half wit like yourself. PLEASE in the future
before you FLAME ANYONE on misconceptions as to what the subject matter is,
read and re-read the posts. You have thuroughly made an ass of yourself
and I think you should stop before you loose all face.
> And the correct spelling is "precious".
Expected no less.... um more.
Kyle Knight
I had a SNES and enjoyed it immensely. With my game doctor and my CDs I
had access to hundreds of SNES games. But I didn't but it just to play
Nintendo games. If the SNES had no third party support I would never have
gone for it.
You have no proof that tne N64 dominates sales. It's been my recent
experience that sales figures can be manipulated easily. For example, both
Nintendo and Sony claim more than 50% sales last Christmas. Who's right?
Probably both. Statistics are easily interpreted.
Other people are using the "little amount of software" and "desperate for
games" lines because the N64 has very few games. The NES and SNES may have
been great, but that doesn't mean the N64 will be. By that logic the
Virtual Boy ( the next evolution of the Nintendo handheld ) should be as
immensely popular as the Game Boy.
Troy Davis wrote in article <5kbu1d$4bb$1...@newsd-4.alma.webtv.net>...
Eggman 64
>
> In Command And Conquer it's used PERFECTLY. I enjoy it at least.
Yeah a PC port!
>
> : > 3. Playstation will get ports from PC CDROM games, very little > software is ported to SATURN and N64 from PC titles.
> : >
>
> : This is one of the reasons why I bought a N64. I have a PC w/ CD-ROM.
> : Why buy a PSX to get two versions of Tomb Raider, C&C, etc? I can't find
> : Mario 64 or Mario Kart 64 on the PC, like you can with PSX games.
>
> I happen to like PC ports, so I can play the good games without having
> to spend $2000 every 2 years.....
Yeah, well everyone ownes a PC and not just to play games, you wimp!
Look, just face the fact that Good Games on PS are
A) Another derivative Fighting game
B) Another derivative Driving Game
C) Another derivative PC port
D) Final Fantasy 7
There you go. One original game. Well not in PS owners' opinion really.
They keep saying Mario is the same stuff again. Well if that's true,
than
FF7 is the same stuff again too! At least Mario has totally different
Gameplay
to previous outings.
FF7 is the same as the SNES games, with improved graphics and that's it.
>
> : Hasn't the N64 been reduced to $150 (from $200)? Aren't the games made by
> : Nintendo $60, which is only $10 more than PSX games?
>
> Well, the Sony games are being released for $39.99 so that's a $20 gap
> on "first party" games, which extends to third party games as well,
> when the N64's are $75 and the PSX's are $50-55.
Well who wants to buy Sony crap?
By the way, I want my games fresh+original= Nintendo
>
> : Hasn't Nintendo been in the video game industry a lot longer than Sony? I
> : seem to remember having Nintendo video games for my old ColecoVision.
>
> Those were made by Coleco, liscenced by Nintendo. the Big N sold off
> the rights to the games.
>
SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT YOU MORON! They ARE longer in the bizz' than SONY!
What's your point?
> But yes, Nintendo has been making video games for quite a while, but
> Sony learned quickly how to do it.
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Sony still hasn't made a quality game except for
some Basketball game..oooooooooo impressive...NOT!
>
> : > 5. Even when your console does become out of date, try playing
> : > a music CD on a N64!
> : >
>
> : Ah....yes. That's exacly why I buy video game systems -- to play CDs.
>
> It's a nice side effect. And on some games you can play the soundtrack....
That's probably the joy of PS owners: using their machine as a CD
player!
HAHAHAHAAAA!!
>
> : > 6. N64 Bulky drive is the only way you are going to be able to
> : > play most of the future releases IE: ZELDA 64.. so already
> : > Nintendo are insisting on upgrading your machine?
>
> : Was there going to be a PSX2 on the horizon? Isn't that upgrading?
>
> That's not an upgrade to a machine, that's an entirely different
> machine in and of itself. The Sega CD and 32X are the equivalents
> here, not a PlayStation2.
>
Well that's even more crap! In the end you can throw your machine in
the dustbin and buy a new machine for Tekken 56 and Ridge Racer Special
Champion Hyper
Circuit Edition 12 !
> : > 7. Sales of the N64 are already slowing down, and as Sony drop
> : > the price of the Playstation to £129 in the UK sales are
> : > rocketing, with most shops sold out in the first week.
>
> : Slowing down, but probably still on top. I read that Nintendo had seven
> : of the top selling games last month--two for the SNES and five for the
> : N64, with Mario Kart 64 as the top selling game. That statement may be
> : true in the UK, but not true in the USA.
>
> SNES has a HUGE user base, and the ratio of games to consoles for the
> N64 is outrageously high. No wonder they have the top selling games,
> everyone has to buy the same stuff!
>
The same applies to the Genesis and they don't have a game that outsells
all 32bit games. The only explanation is that Nintendo makes QUALITY!
By the way, if the games suck, people won't buy it. (Except for arcade
games)
> : >
> : > 8. Playstation has over 400 games either available now or in
> : > development, alright not all are spectacular, but what is
> : > important is that their are plenty of games available for
> : > you to choose from and not just 10 games of which 4 are
> : > crap.
> : >
>
> : N64 has about fourteen games, and the only two that are generally
> : considered crap are Cruisin' USA and MKT. So, two out of fourteen games
> : are crap is an excellent ratio. Don't tell be the PSX has hundreds of
> : quality games.
>
> I have 22 quality games that I own, which is 8 more than are released
> for the N64!
oooooooohhhhh.....9 beat'm ups, 9 racing games and 4 PC ports
certainly?!
By the way, 12 good games in 6 months is FAR better than 22 games in 30
months!!
>
> : Anyway, how many games did the PSX have after seven months?
>
> the Playstation had at least 50 games by January 9th, 1996. That was
> 3 months after release. I am not sure how many were released in
> 7...maybe someone has a complete list somewhere?
Yeah and only Tekken and RR were worthwile and those games are now
worthless 'cause there are now three sequels out!
> : So, tell me, can you get Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Wavrace 64, or upcoming
> : Zelda 64 on the PSX?
>
> No. do people who bought a PlayStation want them? no.
Well, actually, they DO want them, but they can't say it 'cause they
have
pride. They don't wantto admit that after 2,5 years their machine is
goin' to die
due to a monsterous amount of crap games.
Eggman 64
Eggman 64
> >If you can name _all_ the games the N64 will ever have in the future then
> >maybe I'll agree with you, but you can't say the PSX will have more
> >originals than the N64 will _ever_ have unless you can either travel in
> >time or foresee the future.
>
> The president of Nintendo admitted this himself in an interview with
> Next Generation Magazine.
No No NO. He said that the PS will have more games.
But Nintendo wants to make quality! PS just makes dross.
The Bulky Drive will in no
> way enhance the speed, graphics, or anything else related to gameplay.
> It will just hold more data than a cart (but still less than a tenth
> of a PSX CD)
NONONONONOOOOO....Gameplay will improve considerably due to
the writabillaty factor. You can't imagine how this is going to improve
gameplay, 'cause you don't know original gameplay you PS owner!
>
> Well, there are over 400 games available for the PSX, and I would
> guess close to 200 have to be originals. How many originals does N64
> have? 4?
>
and from those 400 games..350 are crap and only 7 are worth buying.
> in particular, because they are starting to use the "hi-res" mode of
> the Playstation which looks just about as good as the N64 graphics,
> and they are getting some good framerates too.
Hahahahaaaaa....the N64 is FAAAARRRR more powerful than the PS.
When will you finally understand that the N64 IS more powerful and that
the Playstation CANNOT produce better graphics!!!
Eggman 64
> > 400 games? probably. the only ones I continually play are TK2, Wipeout
> > 2097, Tempest X and Pandemonium. On the N64 I have PilotWings, Mario,
>> Wave race and Turok, and all are addictive as Tk2.
> Just to verify it's close to 600 world-wide.
>
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Unbelievable...600 games that means a 1 to 150 quality-suck ratio.
SONY HAS BEATEN ATARIII!!!!!
Eggman 64
That's funny. I have rented every game available for the N64 and
they've all left me disappointed.
As of now, there are only two games worth
owning.. Mario and Waverace.
------------------------------------------------------
Well...how about Turok, MarioKart,Blastcorps and J-league?
Absolutely Barking Stars
On Fri, 02 May 1997 15:43:39 +0200, Eggman 64
<Ar...@informatics.medfac.leidenuniv.nl> wrote:
>> The president of Nintendo admitted this himself in an interview with
>> Next Generation Magazine.
>No No NO. He said that the PS will have more games.
>But Nintendo wants to make quality! PS just makes dross.
(shudder) Cruisin' USA fit into that definition of 'quality'? And how
do Tomb Raider, Tekken II, MM3 and The Ridge series fit into 'dross'?
> The Bulky Drive will in no
>> way enhance the speed, graphics, or anything else related to gameplay.
>> It will just hold more data than a cart (but still less than a tenth
>> of a PSX CD)
>NONONONONOOOOO....Gameplay will improve considerably due to
>the writabillaty factor. You can't imagine how this is going to improve
>gameplay, 'cause you don't know original gameplay you PS owner!
Ok, explain it to us. How will the mere fact that part of the storage
space of a cart is writeable improve gameplay? Won't improve the
gameplay of a fighting game. Or a driving game. Or (hmmm) a puzzle
game. Can't see how it would improve the gameplay of ANY game beyond
the ability to save the game (which the PS and Saturn both already
have)..
>> Well, there are over 400 games available for the PSX, and I would
>> guess close to 200 have to be originals. How many originals does N64
>> have? 4?
>and from those 400 games..350 are crap and only 7 are worth buying.
That's still more than the Nintendo has right now. And there is no
reason to confuse the words 'exclusive' and 'good'.
>> in particular, because they are starting to use the "hi-res" mode of
>> the Playstation which looks just about as good as the N64 graphics,
>> and they are getting some good framerates too.
>Hahahahaaaaa....the N64 is FAAAARRRR more powerful than the PS.
>When will you finally understand that the N64 IS more powerful and that
>the Playstation CANNOT produce better graphics!!!
Not actually true, mainly due to the weakly defined use of the word
'graphics'. Take an adventure game for example. The PS can have high
res fully raytraced backdrops for each scene. The N64 can't manage
that and probably won't even with the bulky drive. The N64 can do
better polygon vector graphics than the PS, but that's about the only
area where it would win. And there's much more to life than how many
shaded polygons your system can throw around. In a 2d fighting game,
the N64 could even turn out to have worse graphics than the PS or
Saturn, because they might have to chop animation frames out to fit
onto the cart - either that or produce a cart that costs the same
price as the console.
TTFN
Jon
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> Well, there are over 400 games available for the PSX, and I would
> guess close to 200 have to be originals. How many originals does N64
> have? 4?
> Bryan
This is such crap. There is no industry on the entire planet that has 200
original ideas in such a short time. The only really new things have been
Mario64's enveloping world, Wave Race64's wave mechanics, Virtua Fighter's
bare hands combat/realistic fighting, Final Fantasy 7's animation engine,
Bushido Blade's murder/death/kills, and Warcraft/Command & Conquer's
military strategy. The rest is rehashed material. TombRaider for example
is a boring 3D Flashback in Peru. Virtua Fighter 3 is VF2 on steriods.
Turok simply took Doom to the next level. Tekken2 is REALLY old. Standard
RPGs are REALLY REALLY OLD.
There is little originality, but Nintendo is certainly winning at the
originality to games ratio.
Richard
On 1 May 1997 16:39:54 GMT, "explosive" <expl...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>
>> Untrue, MarioKart is also worth owning.
>
>Not that this is a totally opinionated subject which can be argued for
>life, but...
>
>Mario Kart is disappointing. Some like it, some don't, but many diehard
>gamers just think it fell short.
>
>I'll leave it at that. I don't care to argue an arguement from three
>months ago. =)
>--
>
> ---= expl...@worldnet.att.net =-----------------------------
> "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
>
Granted it wasn't up to what I expected, but it is still a good game.
___________________________
Richard
ric...@workman.demon.co.uk
Digital Carnage
>Remakes of what though? Of arcade games? That is not a minus but a plus.
>Are you really trying to say that out of 500 PSX games that not even 10 of
>them are origional and exclusive? One thing that will really stunt the N64
>is Nintendo's strong arming or the Third Parties. They might be able to do
>that when they are on top, but not on the way up. This is why I predict
>that the N64 will not have as many EXCLUSIVES or ORIGIONALS.
>But, what you missed in this was the fact that Nintendo has to do it to get
>up to par with the other systems and PSX has to do it to stay ahead. Two
>different things.
The point you missed is that both systems are being upgraded for the
better. One would require you to leave the old system completely in order
to play the new and old games.
[...upgrade, DD...]
>Point is?
Point is both systems' upgrade will inadvertantly make the user neglect
the older system. That is unless, there's a way for programmers to,
through some software coding, detect an older PSX and somehow downgrade
the game's requirement.
>RE1
>RE2
Original definitely.
We'll have to see how the sequel turns out first. It would really have to
be original in gameplay and execution.
>Twisted Metal1
>Twisted Metal2
See the comment under In the Zone
>Deception
??
>Kain
Pretty much simul. release for the PC platform.
And no, I don't care about the fact that not everyone owns a PC.
Not everyone owns all the games systems either.
>Crash
Original enough.
>Tokyo HB
>Tobal1
>Tobal2
VF, Tekken?
Sequels don't necessarily make a different/original game.
>Jet Moto
WaveRace 64?
>Motor Toon
Mario Kart?
>In the Zone1
>In the Zone2
Most sequels don't differ enough to make it completely different.
I mean, would you buy a modified used VCR and call it a new VCR?
>Um, you stated exspressly that you wanted to know why people would want to
>shoot at polygons. That was a bad move. And where you pull that arcade
>conversions are in some way bad out of we will never know.... or want to.
Screw the polygon deal. In the current fad, I'd say, "Ok, my bad."
That was out of the topic. The point I was trying to get across the
original post insisted that the PSX has loads and loads of
exclusives/originals, but yet insisted that these "exclusives" are ports
of older games from other platforms or co-exists in other platforms.
>Then don't say it. What you are doing is setting yourself up on things you
>don't have to to make your point.
I did not say it. What you did is keep telling me that the PSX will always
be superior (as I seemed to have to you that the N64 is better) and told
me that the PSX has a lot of games when I was saying that the original
post kept insisting that, as a fact, the PSX has a lot of original games,
when it doesn't.