UltraHLE, the first truely working N64 emulator is out! it actually plays Zelda!
Sarah
wrote:
>Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
>someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
>story so I downloaded it and tried Zelda, and it works perfectly! The sound
It's been discontinued.
The Hand
someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
story so I downloaded it and tried Zelda, and it works perfectly! The sound
course it will not run as well on older processors) Also, if you have dual
Voodoo 2s you can run the games in 1024x768, 800x600 for single Voodoo 2s,
the emulated Zelda actually looks better than the N64 version! No higher
resolutions are supported unfortunately, since the eumlator only works with
3DFX accelerators which can only go to 1024x768, but once the Voodoo 3 comes
out (I'm hearing April for the commercial release) we can atleast go to
1600x1200. So :P to all those who said proper N64 emulation wasn't possible.
Now mind you, not all games are perfect. There are still quite a few games
that don't work at all, and not all of the ones that do work play as good as
Zelda. But it certainly looks good that already an N64 emulator can run Zelda
this well. Word is that this emulator has now been discontinued, but soon
some of the other N64 emulators like Nemu64 and TrueReality should have even
better compatibility with further development.
read about it here:
http://ign64.ign.com/news/6646.html
download it here:
http://www.zophar.net/n64.html
You will need roms to test it though. Poke around IRC for Mario, it's supposed
to work good too. Also look in the group alt.binaries.emulators.nintendo64 if
your server carries it.
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now I've got a reason to play through Zelda again :)
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Fr0g
"kill n64"
Why Would we want to buy Zelda64 or a n64 if we can play it better in a pc
for free? that wouldn't be cool.....
The Hand
Sa...@trix.net (Sarah) wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
> >story so I downloaded it and tried Zelda, and it works perfectly! The sound
>
>
Yes, I mentioned that.
--
The Hand
Anders Simonsson
wrote:
>Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
>someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
about this uber-emulator.
Anders Simonsson (ICQ: 13262044).
Current Favourite Games: King Of Fighters `97,
Samurai Showdown 4 & Baldur`s Gate.
Nhan Rao
Fr0g wrote:
Being that it requires 3Dfx hardware, Glide, and a 350 MHz PII processor (I
know it can run on less, but probably not very well) and it doesn't play many
games, I'd say most people still would still opt for the console. Emulators
for just about everything have been made, and I doubt any of them have killed
the system. Also, emulators seem to be perfected after the system's been out
for awhile or is no longer supported, in which case there are few or
nonexistent sales anyway. Plus there's the added convenience of playing on
your tv and using Nintendo's controllers without buying some sort of adapter
for your PC. The only thing that would really be appealing about an emulator
is if you could play over the internet.
Mr. Sister
harg...@my-dejanews.com
anders.s...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
> >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
>
> ...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
> about this uber-emulator.
>
I got the emulator and it works excellent. The sound and graphics are dead
on. I got it with Mario 64 (yeah yeah, its piracy and all that crap, but I
was curious) and the damn thing is even better than my N64 at playing the
game. It even has joystick support for gravis/microsoft analog. I can
understand why it was taken away, who would need to buy N64 when the emulator
does the job better for free.
Anywhoo, anyone else want it? I'll only give the emulator, but I won't give
any roms.
Joshua S Redford
> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
> >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
>
> ...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
> about this uber-emulator.
>
Apparently it did work. They just took it down in order to keep people
from pirating. Stranger things have been done...
Josh Redford
Truckondo
expensive. Jeez, the cost of my Voodoo2 board is more than the N64 itself.
Couple that with a Pentium2 processor and 128megs of ram and you have about
$600 worth of equipment to run some games. Besides the control isn't that
great without the "real controllers" But I must admit, it was pretty cool
to see Mario64 running at 800X600!
Truckondo
Yusuf Barakatullah
UltraHLE is still around here and there...
BTW, if RealityMan and Epsilon didn't want endorse piracy, then why the fuck
create an emulator in the first place, and then distributing it?
Yusuf
Brandon Rowlett
1. Internet is more wide-spread than ever before allowing for easier access
as opposed to the old BBS system of before
2. Not sure about this, but don't think there has ever been a truly successful
emulator made until well after the system had been discontinued. By truely
successful I mean able to play a handful of games with only minor glitches.
That said I think this says something about the future of the console.
With computing power ever increasing and at the same time getting cheaper
and cheaper, I predict no more than 1 or 2 more generations of consoles
before all games are done on computer alone. You'll have the Dreamcast,
N200?, PSX2, then maybe one further release, and then it will be all
abandoned in favor of computer development. Just my thoughts. Probably all
wrong at that =)
Brandon
In article <36B20D2F...@mediaone.net>, Nhan Rao <mrsi...@mediaone.net> says:
> Emulators
>for just about everything have been made, and I doubt any of them have killed
>the system.
>Mr. Sister
>
>
Brandon Rowlett
Buy the rights to the emulator. Get the guys to completely finish it (99%
emulation) then sale it to the mass market in a year or two (about the time
the N64 will be dying anyways). What do you think?
Brandon
In article <78t7hq$7as$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, harg...@my-dejanews.com says:
>
>In article <36b5f66...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
> anders.s...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
>> >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
>>
>> ...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
>> about this uber-emulator.
>>
>
Joshua S Redford
keeps telling you that something can't be done, you're either going to
give up or try harder, eventually maybe even proving them wrong. Looks
like those two guys (or girls) took that latter path. Plus, it gives them
bragging rights :)
Joshua S Redford
red...@acsu.buffalo.edu
duz
to show that it can be done, the goal of all uber-hackers
Once upon a time back in Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:17:06 -0000,
Yusuf.Bar...@ncl.ac.uk said that...
>
> UltraHLE is still around here and there...
>
> BTW, if RealityMan and Epsilon didn't want endorse piracy, then why the fuck
> create an emulator in the first place, and then distributing it?
>
> Yusuf
>
>
>
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Japan, which computer games aren't as popular as it is here. So until the
Japanese consumer game playing public gets into the 3d accelerated
TNT/Voodoo/Rage Fury/whatever craze, developers like Namco and Sega will
continue to develop on consoles.
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jame...@imap1.asu.edu
ever came. Well I've tried them all and only Mario 64 and Duke 64 (with
some graphics glitches) worked for me. Haven't tried Zelda. It does
work but you do NEED a p2 class processor and a 3dfx card. Given time
this emulator would be perfect but since it's been discontinued already
I'd say this is all we're gonna get (and those other groups aren't even
close to emulating a game like the HLE team has.....). At least we know
it IS possible...... just like 6 months ago with the PSX emulators.....
Anders Simonsson (anders.s...@mailbox.swipnet.se) wrote:
: On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
: wrote:
: >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
: >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
: ...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
: about this uber-emulator.
: Anders Simonsson (ICQ: 13262044).
The Hand
"Fr0g" <fel...@softhome.net> wrote:
> I'm happy because the emulator has been discountinued, because it would
> "kill n64"
> Why Would we want to buy Zelda64 or a n64 if we can play it better in a pc
> for free? that wouldn't be cool.....
That's why the authors stopped developing it for now. It's still bad for
Nintendo that their #1 titles are eumlated though (Zelda 64, Mario 64,
Goldeneye).
--
The Hand
The Hand
<Pine.GSO.4.05.990129...@hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu>, Joshua
S Redford <red...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Anders Simonsson wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
> > >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
> >
> > ...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
> > about this uber-emulator.
> >
> Apparently it did work. They just took it down in order to keep people
> from pirating. Stranger things have been done...
> Josh Redford
You can still download it from www.zophar.net or any other emulation site.
The Hand
> > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
> > >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
> >
> > ...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
> > about this uber-emulator.
> >
>
> on. I got it with Mario 64 (yeah yeah, its piracy and all that crap, but I
> was curious) and the damn thing is even better than my N64 at playing the
> game. It even has joystick support for gravis/microsoft analog. I can
> understand why it was taken away, who would need to buy N64 when the emulator
> does the job better for free.
>
> Anywhoo, anyone else want it? I'll only give the emulator, but I won't give
> any roms.
Good luck not geeting any requests. I got people begging for roms just for
posting about it. I see what the developers meant by people not being ready
for it. But I doubt they ever will, unless we ever get around to abolishing
theft and apathy :)
The Hand
It would encourage piracy, and people who already have a V2 PC would have no
reason to buy a N64. Playstation emulators hven't really hurt the PS because
CDs are harder to pirate, but carts are very easy to distribute online.
fromhellsheart
>I'm happy because the emulator has been discountinued, because it would
>"kill n64"
>Why Would we want to buy Zelda64 or a n64 if we can play it better in a pc
>for free? that wouldn't be cool.....
Because the games are designed speciically for the N64 joypad, and
have the best "feel" when using it?
Tonic Trouble absolutely SUCKS on the PC. I imagine it wouldn't suck
so bad on the N64 though... because o the joypad. I mean this was
worse than Glover!
Anders Simonsson
<red...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Anders Simonsson wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
>> >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
>>
>> ...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
>> about this uber-emulator.
>>
>Apparently it did work. They just took it down in order to keep people
>from pirating. Stranger things have been done...
>Josh Redford
Yeah, when I wrote the above, I hadn`t actually tried it myself, so I
was sceptical. I downloaded it later that night and tracked down some
roms and, well, what can I say? I`m impressed. N64-emulation isn`t a
joke after all. Who would have thought it?
Anders Simonsson
wrote:
>Best move for Nintendo.
>
>Buy the rights to the emulator. Get the guys to completely finish it (99%
>emulation) then sale it to the mass market in a year or two (about the time
>the N64 will be dying anyways). What do you think?
A good idea. They wont do it, but it`s still a good idea.
jame...@imap1.asu.edu
: Two differences
: 1. Internet is more wide-spread than ever before allowing for easier access
: as opposed to the old BBS system of before
: 2. Not sure about this, but don't think there has ever been a truly successful
: emulator made until well after the system had been discontinued. By truely
: successful I mean able to play a handful of games with only minor glitches.
well PSX emulation is nearing perfect and SNES emulation has been for
about a year and it still sells games on the market..... but in all
reality, even with rom piracy and everything, there really aren't that
many people that are gonna say "ooh, I can get it for free with all these
games" cause it's a different experience. It's the ability to play a
game (for some of us a game that we own) on a new media and be impressed
it can be done. I'll never forget the first time I saw Castlevania 4
running on my P166, I was so impressed...... and then there was Callus
playing my old arcade favorite Strider, etc, etc..... it's mainly a
nostalgia thing for the older games (look up MAME, it emulates 1000+
arcade games). And the worry of people in the emulation scene is that
leechers looking to grab PSX and N64 emulators will ruin the scene.....
as it is so many roms sites have popped up that are no better than
sex-laden warez sites...... as oposed to the quality emulation sites of old.
Oh and believe it or not but I think Dreamcast emulation is already in
the works...... I think Sega actually was looking into the possiblity
themselves.....
: That said I think this says something about the future of the console.
: With computing power ever increasing and at the same time getting cheaper
: and cheaper, I predict no more than 1 or 2 more generations of consoles
: before all games are done on computer alone. You'll have the Dreamcast,
: N200?, PSX2, then maybe one further release, and then it will be all
: abandoned in favor of computer development. Just my thoughts. Probably all
: wrong at that =)
: Brandon
: >
: >
The Hand
Huy Hoang
Brandon Rowlett heeft geschreven in bericht
<78tdph$ga2$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>...
>Two differences
>1. Internet is more wide-spread than ever before allowing for easier
access
>as opposed to the old BBS system of before
>2. Not sure about this, but don't think there has ever been a truly
successful
>emulator made until well after the system had been discontinued. By truely
>successful I mean able to play a handful of games with only minor glitches.
>
>With computing power ever increasing and at the same time getting cheaper
>and cheaper, I predict no more than 1 or 2 more generations of consoles
>before all games are done on computer alone. You'll have the Dreamcast,
>N200?, PSX2, then maybe one further release, and then it will be all
>abandoned in favor of computer development. Just my thoughts. Probably
all
>wrong at that =)
>
>Brandon
Let's assume you are right. Nintendo would be releasing joysticks and stuff
for the PC and create awesome games....
The Hand
"Huy Hoang" <huyh...@softhome.net> wrote:
>
> Brandon Rowlett heeft geschreven in bericht
> <78tdph$ga2$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>...
> >Two differences
> >1. Internet is more wide-spread than ever before allowing for easier
> access
> >as opposed to the old BBS system of before
> >2. Not sure about this, but don't think there has ever been a truly
> successful
> >emulator made until well after the system had been discontinued. By truely
> >successful I mean able to play a handful of games with only minor glitches.
> >
> >That said I think this says something about the future of the console.
> >With computing power ever increasing and at the same time getting cheaper
> >and cheaper, I predict no more than 1 or 2 more generations of consoles
> >before all games are done on computer alone. You'll have the Dreamcast,
> >N200?, PSX2, then maybe one further release, and then it will be all
> >abandoned in favor of computer development. Just my thoughts. Probably
> all
> >wrong at that =)
> >
> >Brandon
>
> Let's assume you are right. Nintendo would be releasing joysticks and stuff
> for the PC and create awesome games....
Um, if they were going to do that why not just skip the emulator and write
games straight for the PC?
Joshua S Redford
> Good luck not geeting any requests. I got people begging for roms just for
> posting about it. I see what the developers meant by people not being ready
> for it. But I doubt they ever will, unless we ever get around to abolishing
> theft and apathy :)
>
What does apathy have to do with anything?
Josh Redford
Joshua S Redford
> In article
> <Pine.GSO.4.05.990129...@hercules.acsu.buffalo.edu>, Joshua
> S Redford <red...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Anders Simonsson wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
> > > >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
> > >
> > > ...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
> > > about this uber-emulator.
> > >
> > Apparently it did work. They just took it down in order to keep people
> > from pirating. Stranger things have been done...
> > Josh Redford
>
> You can still download it from www.zophar.net or any other emulation site.
>
LOL, didn't mean to mislead you, but I don't want it. If I want to play a
game for any system I'll either rent it, buy it, or steal it from a
friend, that's the American way :)
Josh Redford
bobn64
cds are harder to pirate? all you need is a cd burner, and copy an image of the cd to you hard drive(with freeware) and then burn it with a 200dollar cd burner. I know people at school who sell and install mod chips for playstation for 20 bucka, anbd the games for 8.
The Hand wrote:
In article <78taco$lv2$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"Truckondo" <truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I doubt it would kill the N64. Besides the cost to run the Emulator is
> expensive. Jeez, the cost of my Voodoo2 board is more than the N64 itself.
> Couple that with a Pentium2 processor and 128megs of ram and you have about
> $600 worth of equipment to run some games. Besides the control isn't that
> great without the "real controllers" But I must admit, it was pretty cool
> to see Mario64 running at 800X600!
It would encourage piracy, and people who already have a V2 PC would have no
reason to buy a N64. Playstation emulators hven't really hurt the PS because
CDs are harder to pirate, but carts are very easy to distribute online.
--
bobn64
if you purchase a cd burner (costs less than a z64 or whatever) you use software
to copy and write a playstation game to another cd for the cost of the cd.
if you want to post a copy of the psx game onto the internet ALL you need is a
cdrom drive and some free softwaer you can download. copy the cd to your hard
drive, zip it up and post it.(free)
STUPID ASS BACKWARDS WHORE! KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
Ass to being more vunerable to piracy, like i said, have freinds you copy psx
games and sell them for a profit of 15 to 20 dollars each. after they sell 15
games, the cd burner is paid for!
Charles Miller Jr. wrote:
> bobn64 wrote in message <36B3CF6D...@hotmail.com>...
> >ARE YOU A MORON?
> >cds are harder to pirate? all you need is a cd burner, and copy an
> image >of the cd to you hard drive(with freeware) and then burn it with a
> >200dollar cd burner. I know people at school who sell and install mod
> >chips for playstation for 20 bucka, anbd the games for 8.
>
> N64 roms are easier to pirate. You obviously don't understand that to
> pirate the PSX CDs you need a CD burner and a CD to put them on. To pirate
> N64 roms you need a modem and a little HD space. Now, the fact that up
> until now the N64 needed a V64, etc, to play the games made them harder to
> pirate, but the emulator has made that change. N64 is more vulnerable to
> casual piracy now, and for the very reason it was hard to pirate before...
> carts. Nintendo didn't foresee this, but that seems to have been a mistake.
Charles Miller Jr.
Charles Miller Jr.
>ok, let ma say again:
By all means.
>if you purchase a cd burner (costs less than a z64 or whatever) you use
software
>to copy and write a playstation game to another cd for the cost of the cd.
Yeah. And if you have the UltraHLE you need not buy anything, nore pay for
any CD. Hence, easier to pirate.
>if you want to post a copy of the psx game onto the internet ALL you need
is a
>cdrom drive and some free softwaer you can download. copy the cd to your
hard
>drive, zip it up and post it.(free)
Um, and I hope that you're stupid ass can understand that CDs are harder, by
far, to pirate because they are hundreds of megs and require extreamly fast
connections to U/L or D/L. Hence, harder to pirate.
>STUPID ASS BACKWARDS WHORE! KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
Yeah, you are talking out of your dumb ass. :) Maybe you should try to
think before you post. We're talking about emulators... and it is easier to
pirate N64 games.
>Ass to being more vunerable to piracy, like i said, have freinds you copy
psx
>games and sell them for a profit of 15 to 20 dollars each. after they sell
15
>games, the cd burner is paid for!
And, that is more stupidity. Burning CDs, finding buyers, etc... Sounds
harder than following a link, but then again I'm not sure how stupid you
are, so that might be hard for you. Later, moser.
Martin Leduc
> What does apathy have to do with anything?
> Josh Redford
People are apathetic to the woes of poor old nintendo?
Martin Leduc
>
> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
> >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
>
> It's been discontinued.
Only after having been downloaded by about 7 thousand people. The cat's
out.
Martin Leduc
> And the worry of people in the emulation scene is that
> leechers looking to grab PSX and N64 emulators will ruin the scene.....
Too late.
jame...@imap1.asu.edu
: jame...@imap1.asu.edu wrote:
: Too late.
not really the only top sellers it emulates are mario, zelda, and goldeneye
and you can't save anything so other than playing from the start for a
couple hours at a time, you can't truly 'play' the whole game and
therefore the current emulator won't kill the N64 system or games
sales..... it's just cool to see.....
fromhellsheart
>In article <36b4a4c6....@news.earthlink.net>,
> fromhel...@i.stab.at.thee (fromhellsheart) wrote:
>> "Fr0g" <fel...@softhome.net> wrote:
>> >I'm happy because the emulator has been discountinued, because it would
>> >"kill n64"
>> >Why Would we want to buy Zelda64 or a n64 if we can play it better in a pc
>> >for free? that wouldn't be cool.....
>>
>> Because the games are designed speciically for the N64 joypad, and
>> have the best "feel" when using it?
>>
>> Tonic Trouble absolutely SUCKS on the PC. I imagine it wouldn't suck
>> so bad on the N64 though... because o the joypad. I mean this was
>> worse than Glover!
>
>Ok, now do you have any reasons that aren't inane?
It's inane to want to play the games on a system that they don't suck
on?
The Hand
> > posting about it. I see what the developers meant by people not being ready
> > for it. But I doubt they ever will, unless we ever get around to abolishing
> > theft and apathy :)
> >
You have to be pretty apathetic to pirate games, or nihilistic.
Charles Miller Jr.
>not really the only top sellers it emulates are mario, zelda, and goldeneye
>and you can't save anything so other than playing from the start for a
>couple hours at a time, you can't truly 'play' the whole game and
>therefore the current emulator won't kill the N64 system or games
>sales..... it's just cool to see.....
Well, all I have are demos, but it does seem like there is a "save state"
command in the thing. I don't know if it works, but if it does, then that
would mean it could be used to play games all the way through.
Charles Miller Jr.
>You have to be pretty apathetic to pirate games, or nihilistic.
Oh, now I don't understand.
He asks you what apathy has to do with it, and you... well, whatever you did
it didn't clear anything up. Maybe this will, what do you think apathy
means?
Anders Simonsson
>not really the only top sellers it emulates are mario, zelda, and goldeneye
"Only"? These are Nintendo`s flagship titles. The ones that keep the
N64 going. Castlevania and even Smash Brothers have been dumped and
can be downloaded over the net right now. Don`t kid yourself. Nintendo
stands to lose a lot of money from this and it couldn`t have happened
at a worse time. The Dreamcast is out and the PSX 2 is waiting around
the corner. Who`s gonna buy a N64 now, when you can play the top games
for free on your computer?
>and you can't save anything so other than playing from the start for a
>couple hours at a time, you can't truly 'play' the whole game and
>therefore the current emulator won't kill the N64 system or games
>sales..... it's just cool to see.....
You don`t seriously think that N64 emulation will end here, do you?
UltraHLE will be ripped apart by various emu teams and the knowledge
will be put to use in other N64 emus. Trust me. This is only the
beginning.
Tim Smith
>cds are harder to pirate? all you need is a cd burner, and copy an image of
>the cd to you hard drive(with freeware) and then burn it with a 200dollar cd
>burner. I know people at school who sell and install mod chips for
>playstation for 20 bucka, anbd the games for 8.
It's trivial to make CDs that can't be duplicated with consumer CD burners.
Anyone know why Sony doesn't do that?
--Tim Smith
Jason Breeze
emulators for anything. The PSX, NES, SNES, Gameboy, Color Gameboy... etc.
Personally I like it. If I can play an awesome game for free I will do it
every chance I get. Not only that, but the games actually look and
(sometimes) run better on my PC. Although it certainly isn't good for the
big N's sales, I don't think it's going to hurt them much if at all. Why?
Because ROMS are difficult to find, the emulator isn't perfect (in fact it's
far from it, but when it does work... oh the joy!) and the source for it
isn't going to be released. Translation: it will take a good year or so
before a good working emulator comes out, and everyone can find the roms.
After that time Nintendo probably won't give much of a shit.
The Hand
ec...@freenet.carleton.ca (Martin Leduc) wrote:
> Joshua S Redford wrote:
>
> > What does apathy have to do with anything?
>
> People are apathetic to the woes of poor old nintendo?
>
The bastards!
The Hand
ec...@freenet.carleton.ca (Martin Leduc) wrote:
> jame...@imap1.asu.edu wrote:
>
> > And the worry of people in the emulation scene is that
> > leechers looking to grab PSX and N64 emulators will ruin the scene.....
>
> Too late.
>
They said the same thing about SNES and Genesis emulators though!
The Hand
The Hand
I don't see how this can be confusing! If you steal something, you are showing
indifference to the person you steal from. This is apathy.
The Hand
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>
> ARE YOU A MORON?
> cds are harder to pirate? all you need is a cd burner, and copy an image of
the
> cd to you hard drive(with freeware) and then burn it with a 200dollar cd
burner.
> I know people at school who sell and install mod chips for playstation for 20
> bucka, anbd the games for 8.
Incorrect, my simple friend. All you need to pirate roms is to download a 1 to
20MB file. CDs either require you to download huge amounts of data or get the
original CD, and then burn them with a CDR that costs more than the console
itself. Thus it is EASIER to distribute pirated ROMs, son.
bobn64
install a cd burner, and you can copy games from a "backup device" to your
computer , you must be a true jackass.
Joshua S Redford
> In article <Pine.GSO.4.05.990130...@joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu>,
> Joshua S Redford <red...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, The Hand wrote:
> >
> > > Good luck not geeting any requests. I got people begging for roms just for
> > > posting about it. I see what the developers meant by people not being ready
> > > for it. But I doubt they ever will, unless we ever get around to abolishing
> > > theft and apathy :)
> > >
> > What does apathy have to do with anything?
>
> You have to be pretty apathetic to pirate games, or nihilistic.
>
I see what you're saying now. Someone who pirates would be nihilistic.
However, I thought the use of apathetic was a bit of a stretch :)
If they were apathetic, they wouldn't both with games at all:)
Josh Redford
Joshua S Redford
cd burner and copy games. The point is that getting N64 games is even
easier. Understand?
Joshua S Redford
red...@acsu.buffalo.edu
Joshua S Redford
laugh. "It's okay if I play the emulated games for free and not pay for
them, because it doesn't really hurt anyone". LOL
Joshua S Redford
red...@acsu.buffalo.edu
bobn64
Joshua S Redford wrote:
> You're the jackass. The point wasn't that it was difficult to install a
> cd burner and copy games. The point is that getting N64 games is even
> easier. Understand?
>
> Joshua S Redford
> red...@acsu.buffalo.edu
>
bobn64
neccisarily distributeing them. In order to get n64 games onto the net, you have
to purchase a 300 to 400 dollar device, then rent a game, and backit up to you pc.
Once you get it up on the internet, your page has to stay up long enough for people
to be able to download it. This usually dosnt last very long. If you do a search
of altavista of"n64 roms" you will find only 4 or 5 downloadable roms in the first
15 pages of sites found.
Cdrom burneres are quite cheap and more popular now. If i wanted to get a psx game
for free, i would go rent the game, go to work and copy it. OR i could buy it
from one of th many young bussiness me at the local high school for 5 dollars. OR
if i was really bored I would buy th burner my self, install it in 20 minutes and
copy the games my self.
bobn64
that those are the only 2 good games out of the 18 that work with the emu.
Joshua S Redford
it's easier. Yet, even though it has been repeatedly mentioned on this
ng, I'll help you out. To play an N64 game on your computer all you have
to do is download the emulator and then any roms you want to play. (It's
also cheaper if you already have a good computer). Now do you understand?
Josh Redford
Anders Simonsson
<jbr...@halcyon.com> wrote:
>After that time Nintendo probably won't give much of a shit.
Not true. Nintendo still hunts down sites with NES (8-bit), SNES and
GameBoy titles. Nintendo cares a great about their intellectual
property and this latest outbreak of N64-emulation will send their
army of lawyers into overdrive.
BTW, using roms is illegal. If you don`t care about that, fine, but
don`t try to pretend that it`s "alright" to do it.
Joshua S Redford
> In article <o%Ts2.234$167.5...@iagnews.iagnet.net>,
> "Charles Miller Jr." <cwmi...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > The Hand wrote in message <7911b8$914$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >
> > >You have to be pretty apathetic to pirate games, or nihilistic.
> >
> > Oh, now I don't understand.
> >
> > He asks you what apathy has to do with it, and you... well, whatever you did
> > it didn't clear anything up. Maybe this will, what do you think apathy
> > means?
>
> I don't see how this can be confusing! If you steal something, you are showing
> indifference to the person you steal from. This is apathy.
>
It was confusing the way that you used it. You said something to the
extent "we won't be able to eliminate stealing until we eliminate apathy".
In that context, it is rather unclear what you mean. I don't want to drag
this on, but I don't think it shows indifference towards someone if you
steal from them.
Josh Redford
Joshua S Redford
be such a pain in the ass to find anyways.
Joshua S Redford
red...@acsu.buffalo.edu
harg...@my-dejanews.com
"Mario 64 Rom image" and within 30 minutes, I was playing Mario 64. I guess
what Josh and that other guy were trying to point out was: The key to ease of
piracy is ease of distribution. Sure, you and your friends can copy and
distribute PSX games amongst yourselves, but how do you get the games to a
bunch of people living in North Bay with no rental store for miles? CD images
are huge, and for most people, its not feasible to download hundreds of megs
over a phone line.
Here's a test: See if you can find and download an image of the original
WipeOut from the net (don't go to the video store, pretend you're living in
North Bay Canada and have only a phone line to the outside world).
In article <36B47804...@hotmail.com>,
bobn64 <bob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Explain why it is easier, please.
>
> Joshua S Redford wrote:
>
> > You're the jackass. The point wasn't that it was difficult to install a
> > cd burner and copy games. The point is that getting N64 games is even
> > easier. Understand?
> >
> > Joshua S Redford
> > red...@acsu.buffalo.edu
> >
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
jame...@imap1.asu.edu
: In article <36B44B...@freenet.carleton.ca>,
: ec...@freenet.carleton.ca (Martin Leduc) wrote:
: > jame...@imap1.asu.edu wrote:
: >
: > > And the worry of people in the emulation scene is that
: > > leechers looking to grab PSX and N64 emulators will ruin the scene.....
: >
: > Too late.
: >
: They said the same thing about SNES and Genesis emulators though!
but those weren't perfected til after the system wasn't really making any
money..... and emulation never was in the mainstream unlike now where
popular sites like ign have articles about it.....
: --
: The Hand
: -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
jame...@imap1.asu.edu
maybe but you forget PSX emulation is nearing perfect too, and Dreamcast
emulation is already in works supposedly....... I think if emulation
hurts a company, it will hurt all of them, not just the big N. But being
in the emu scene for a while, I can tell you most of us aren't into
piracy like some think. The point is nostalgia to play old games we
remember when younger. In most cases we play games that are not
available anymore (MAME). In the long run I don't think it will hurt the
company itself that much. I think the warez scene hurts companies 10x
more than any of the emulator stuff. I personally will not feel guilty
about playing around with zelda for a few minutes on my PC because I own
an N64 and zelda. It's the few really cheap people who never bought
anything N64 that are getting stuff for free that are bad..... and that
is what people assume we ALL are like..... well I can tell you it's not
true.... unfortunately, this 'event' (kinda like when NeoGeo emulation was
mastered) may help bring the end to 'legal' emulation and turn it into a
'warez' scene.... which is just plain sad......
: Anders Simonsson (ICQ: 13262044).
jame...@imap1.asu.edu
: On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 04:20:48 -0800, "Jason Breeze"
: <jbr...@halcyon.com> wrote:
: >After that time Nintendo probably won't give much of a shit.
: Not true. Nintendo still hunts down sites with NES (8-bit), SNES and
: GameBoy titles. Nintendo cares a great about their intellectual
: property and this latest outbreak of N64-emulation will send their
: army of lawyers into overdrive.
: BTW, using roms is illegal. If you don`t care about that, fine, but
: don`t try to pretend that it`s "alright" to do it.
actually read the laws. if I own the original cart, I am legally
entitled to make or have any backup of something I have bought. Which
means if I only have roms that I have purchased then I'm untouchable by
the big N regardless of what they may 'say'...... the ONLY illegal thing
that big N can get rid of is the roms, the emulators are totally
legal.... so the only illegal thing to have are roms you don't originally
own.......
bobn64
Joshua S Redford wrote:
> You're kidding right? Even with my limited technical knowledge, I know
> it's easier. Yet, even though it has been repeatedly mentioned on this
> ng, I'll help you out. To play an N64 game on your computer all you have
> to do is download the emulator and then any roms you want to play. (It's
> also cheaper if you already have a good computer). Now do you understand?
> Josh Redford
>
Pandagas
In article <36b889a4...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
anders.s...@mailbox.swipnet.se (Anders Simonsson) writes:
>
>Not true. Nintendo still hunts down sites with NES (8-bit), SNES and
>GameBoy titles. Nintendo cares a great about their intellectual
>property and this latest outbreak of N64-emulation will send their
>army of lawyers into overdrive.
>
>BTW, using roms is illegal. If you don`t care about that, fine, but
>don`t try to pretend that it`s "alright" to do it.
Of course, all this would be less of a problem if the
N64 had been decently priced in the first place.
Also, in terms of piracy from the Web, the US could
introduce rates for local calls and then it wouldn't
be worth paying for the download times. It wouldn't
be a total deterrent, though.
---------
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Joshua S Redford
Martin Leduc
you want, it won't make change a thing; playing N64 ROMs is illegal. Yap
about nostalgia or the fact that software companies lose more money to
pir8ed software all you want, see if it makes a difference to the cops
who beating your ass.
Gadget
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It's been a while since any cop beat my ass... Wasn't as good as it
was cracked up to be.
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public releases. God knows though that if this is true, copies WILL be leaked
:-)
Brian Short
bds...@hotmail.com
jame...@imap1.asu.edu wrote:
> I downloaded about 5-6 roms a while back just to have in case this day
> ever came. Well I've tried them all and only Mario 64 and Duke 64 (with
> some graphics glitches) worked for me. Haven't tried Zelda. It does
> work but you do NEED a p2 class processor and a 3dfx card. Given time
> this emulator would be perfect but since it's been discontinued already
> I'd say this is all we're gonna get (and those other groups aren't even
> close to emulating a game like the HLE team has.....). At least we know
> it IS possible...... just like 6 months ago with the PSX emulators.....
>
> Anders Simonsson (anders.s...@mailbox.swipnet.se) wrote:
> : On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:39:30 GMT, The Hand <th3...@hotmail.com>
> : wrote:
>
> : >Wow! The Hand was skeptical when he read this on IGN64, I thought maybe
> : >someone had hacked the site and pulled a prank, but Zophars had the same
>
> : ...and it was pulled back the next day. I don`t know. I have my doubts
> : about this uber-emulator.
Brian Short
come back to it later... most emulators have something like this.
Brian Short
bds...@hotmail.com
"Charles Miller Jr." wrote:
> jame...@imap1.asu.edu wrote in message <790ul6$h0k$1...@news.asu.edu>...
>
> >not really the only top sellers it emulates are mario, zelda, and goldeneye
> >and you can't save anything so other than playing from the start for a
> >couple hours at a time, you can't truly 'play' the whole game and
> >therefore the current emulator won't kill the N64 system or games
> >sales..... it's just cool to see.....
>
> Well, all I have are demos, but it does seem like there is a "save state"
> command in the thing. I don't know if it works, but if it does, then that
> would mean it could be used to play games all the way through.
Jason Breeze
let you save at any time in any game. It's actually better than the way the
N64 saves imo.
Jason Breeze
fact I belive it is now: backing up this software in any way is illegal.
>actually read the laws. if I own the original cart, I am legally
>entitled to make or have any backup of something I have bought. Which
>means if I only have roms that I have purchased then I'm untouchable by
>the big N regardless of what they may 'say'...... the ONLY illegal thing
>that big N can get rid of is the roms, the emulators are totally
>legal.... so the only illegal thing to have are roms you don't originally
>own.......
>
Charles Miller Jr.
>In a group of 14 to 18 year olds, it is not hard.
?
>I'm, sorry, if you cant
>install a cd burner, and you can copy games from a "backup device" to your
>computer , you must be a true jackass.
Oh man you are a ripe idiot. Ok, now slowly so you can understand, read
this...
To pirate CDs you need to get CDs, get the CD you want to copy, Save, Burn,
etc.
To pirate the N64 games you need to click a link.
Now, I'm hoping that is plain enough for your slow ass.
Charles Miller Jr.
>Explain why it is easier, please.
Hahaha, good luck Josh. If he can't figure it out himself, you've got a lot
of priming to do before he's at the level needed to understand it.
Charles Miller Jr.
>I was refering to pirateing the games, not using pirated games.
Oh hell, that makes it EVEN easier to pirate N64 roms. All you need is to
click a link. Hence easy. For PSX you have to get CDs, get original, copy
CD, burn CD.
Click VS get, get, copy, burn....
Lets see if he can beat the mouse to the correct answer... Oh, too bad.
Algernon won.
Charles Miller Jr.
Oh my! The old switcheroo. The Hand hasn't just fallen off the truck, he
is the master of the switcheroo.
>Ok, mayber i didnt make my self clear. I am talking about copying roms and
cd, not
>neccisarily distributeing them.
Anyways, you are correct, you greviously failed. You failed to understand
the TOPIC at hand and most importantly what PIRACY is. If you weren't
talking about piracy, you should have prefaced your statment so that you
didn't look like a shmuck.
MrLuVa516
>
>oh yeah, there are only 2 games worth pirateing right now, mario and zelda.
>Being
>that those are the only 2 good games out of the 18 that work with the emu.
>
I have had DukeNukem 64 working except certain things are different colors. I
have also had GoldenEye running perfectly(no sound glitches at all). I own all
the games I have tried and used my Mr. Backup to get the roms. I am planning
on using the emulator to work on my own projects(mp3 player, and some games).
Anyone else planning on using the emulator for development purposes or are you
all just using i to play your illegal/legal rom images?
Joshua Kaufman
>
> This isn't true for the N64. Nintendo decided to take that part out. In
> fact I belive it is now: backing up this software in any way is illegal.
>
And since when does Nintendo makes the laws? What if I sold you a rock,
and said "it's illegal for you to use this rock as a paperweight" (this
is an ordanary rock mind you), it it still illegal? No.
-Joshua
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Charles Miller Jr.
>Jason Breeze wrote:
>> This isn't true for the N64. Nintendo decided to take that part out. In
>> fact I belive it is now: backing up this software in any way is illegal.
>And since when does Nintendo makes the laws? What if I sold you a rock,
>and said "it's illegal for you to use this rock as a paperweight" (this
>is an ordanary rock mind you), it it still illegal? No.
And also, in the statement in the manual they explicitly say that the
statement doesn't override your statutory rights. One of those rights is to
back up your investment or have someone do it for you if you can't.
jame...@imap1.asu.edu
: This isn't true for the N64. Nintendo decided to take that part out. In
: fact I belive it is now: backing up this software in any way is illegal.
sorry but Nintendo doesn't make the rules. I know they may be right next
door to Microsoft but they don't rule the laws...... Nintendo can't
change software laws..... let's just see how this whole Sony suing
Connectix thing turns out before we all debate this further...... but
from the software laws as they are now, Nintendo can't hurt emulator
makers or people having roms of games they own..... the only part
ILLEGAL is having roms of games you don't own..... not that I'm saying
there aren't people out there who do that but......
: >actually read the laws. if I own the original cart, I am legally
The Hand
It certainly doesn't show much caring for them.
Joshua S Redford
Joshua S Redford
red...@acsu.buffalo.edu
On 1 Feb 1999, TNFergus wrote:
> Just a question, I think you can help me with.
> Where can I download this "UltraHLE"
> Thanks for your time.
>
Joshua S Redford
> In article <Pine.GSO.4.05.99013...@callisto.acsu.buffalo.edu>,
> Joshua S Redford <red...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
> > On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, The Hand wrote:
> >
> > > In article <o%Ts2.234$167.5...@iagnews.iagnet.net>,
> > > "Charles Miller Jr." <cwmi...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > > > The Hand wrote in message <7911b8$914$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > > >
> > > > >You have to be pretty apathetic to pirate games, or nihilistic.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, now I don't understand.
> > > >
> > > > He asks you what apathy has to do with it, and you... well, whatever you
> did
> > > > it didn't clear anything up. Maybe this will, what do you think apathy
> > > > means?
> > >
> > > I don't see how this can be confusing! If you steal something, you are
> showing
> > > indifference to the person you steal from. This is apathy.
> > >
> > It was confusing the way that you used it. You said something to the
> > extent "we won't be able to eliminate stealing until we eliminate apathy".
> > In that context, it is rather unclear what you mean. I don't want to drag
> > this on, but I don't think it shows indifference towards someone if you
> > steal from them.
>
> It certainly doesn't show much caring for them.
I don't know about that. I know quite a few ppl that steal things
(whether it be music or games doesn't matter) and they tend to really like
the company that they are stealing from. On the other hand, I've seen
posts where ppl are like "stick to the man and get these roms". Neither
one of these seem apathetic to me.
Josh Redford
Anders Simonsson
>actually read the laws. if I own the original cart, I am legally
>entitled to make or have any backup of something I have bought.
Okay. I stand corrected.
Joshua S Redford
C'mon Pandagas! If the #1 excuse isn't: "it's not hurting anyone" it has
to be "well they charge too much to begin with". That's a stupid excuse.
Emulators increase the price of games just like shoplifters increase the
price of clothes.
Josh Redford
Kirk Is
: I'm surprised they would care about the NES ones since those games tend to
: be such a pain in the ass to find anyways.
Yeah, and the status of most NES units and carts *really* challenges
Nintendo's claim that carts are a "durable medium" that therefore have no
need of being backed up.
Of course, one of my housemates seems to have the magic touch of making
the NES play when I can only get a blinking blue screen...
But emu's should be about preservation of stuff that would be lost to
pop-culture otherwise. Anything you have a decent chance of finding in a
retail store in the past couple of years should be off limits, but
anything older than that should be fair game.
--
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Kirk Is
: On 29 Jan 1999 22:49:26 GMT, ara...@mail.utexas.edu (Brandon Rowlett)
: wrote:
: >Best move for Nintendo.
: >
: >Buy the rights to the emulator. Get the guys to completely finish it (99%
: >emulation) then sale it to the mass market in a year or two (about the time
: >the N64 will be dying anyways). What do you think?
: A good idea. They wont do it, but it`s still a good idea.
It's not that good of an idea for them:
1. They still need to hunt down people who will be trying to do
"UltraHLE for free", so they're not saving much in terms of resources
2. Now it's suddenly they're responsibility to make sure that games
they release are easily portable to the emulator
3. They have a lot resting on what they probably think of a
"The N64 experience"- the sticks, the look of the console, etc.
It's sure to screw up their business model.
4. Relating to #1, they make the whole thing look legitimate.
Probably one of the reasons they went with carts anyway was
because they're harder to pirate than CDs. If you have a
legitimate emulator, the ROM/Warez scene becomes overwhelming.
It'll make the distribution of N64 look like C=64 stuff back
in the day ;-)
Me
>This isn't true for the N64. Nintendo decided to take that part out. In
>fact I belive it is now: backing up this software in any way is illegal.
Since when did Nintendo become bunch of legislators? What other US or
international laws have they made recently?
Charles Miller Jr.
>It certainly doesn't show much caring for them.
That's not really a good use of 'apathy' though. You can feel a passion,
etc, for the developers and that doesn't guarantee that you care for them.
That's what is confusing.
jame...@imap1.asu.edu
: On 31 Jan 1999 19:51:46 GMT, jame...@imap1.asu.edu wrote:
: >actually read the laws. if I own the original cart, I am legally
: >entitled to make or have any backup of something I have bought.
: Okay. I stand corrected.
that must be the most mature newsgroup post I've read in years..... bravo...
: Anders Simonsson (ICQ: 13262044).
Jason Breeze
>2. Now it's suddenly they're responsibility to make sure that games
> they release are easily portable to the emulator
You're almost right here. They would have to make sure that the Emulator is
compatible with their games. They could easily release a patch for that,
whenever needed.
The Hand
>
> Oh my! The old switcheroo. The Hand hasn't just fallen off the truck, he
> is the master of the switcheroo.
Care to elaborate on what this means for those of us who exist outside of your
head. Or you could just start yelling "THE COLORS! THE COLORS!"
The Hand
Brian Short <bds...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Save State works fine. You can save at literally any point in the game, and
> come back to it later... most emulators have something like this.
Most emus also don't work with the in-game battery backup, or atleast
unrealiably.
The Hand
100...@callisto.acsu.buffalo.edu>,
> > Joshua S Redford <red...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, The Hand wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >You have to be pretty apathetic to pirate games, or nihilistic.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, now I don't understand.
> > > > >
> > > > > He asks you what apathy has to do with it, and you... well, whatever
you
> > did
> > > > > it didn't clear anything up. Maybe this will, what do you think
apathy
> > > > > means?
> > > >
> > > > I don't see how this can be confusing! If you steal something, you are
> > showing
> > > > indifference to the person you steal from. This is apathy.
> > > >
> > > It was confusing the way that you used it. You said something to the
> > > extent "we won't be able to eliminate stealing until we eliminate apathy".
> > > In that context, it is rather unclear what you mean. I don't want to drag
> > > this on, but I don't think it shows indifference towards someone if you
> > > steal from them.
> >
>
Hang on a minute there! "I know quite a few ppl that steal things
?" I feel like you just took off your shirt and revealed a third arm......
> (whether it be music or games doesn't matter) and they tend to really like
> the company that they are stealing from.
ore likely they like the products. If you really like someone you don't steal
from them (unless, you are a freak).
> On the other hand, I've seen
> posts where ppl are like "stick to the man and get these roms". Neither
> one of these seem apathetic to me.
Most people pirate roms for their own entertainment without care of the
negative effects to anyone. Most people daren't doing it for the purpose of
hurting a company of for some sadistic pleasure.
The Hand
>
> >It certainly doesn't show much caring for them.
>
> etc, for the developers and that doesn't guarantee that you care for them.
> That's what is confusing.
I'm becoming apathetic towards this subject.
Alex Mendes
(Kirk Is) wrote:
>Joshua S Redford (red...@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
>: I'm surprised they would care about the NES ones since those games tend to
>: be such a pain in the ass to find anyways.
>
>Yeah, and the status of most NES units and carts *really* challenges
>Nintendo's claim that carts are a "durable medium" that therefore have no
>need of being backed up.
>
>Of course, one of my housemates seems to have the magic touch of making
>the NES play when I can only get a blinking blue screen...
Well, that's just it. The games are perfectly fine, it's the dusttrap
console that's the main problem. Seriously, cartridges and every other
electronic device that isn't being stressed too much (eg. too much power
being sent through) don't wear out very quickly at all. Dirty connectors,
though, can cause all sorts of trouble, but can be cleaned pretty easily.
>But emu's should be about preservation of stuff that would be lost to
>pop-culture otherwise. Anything you have a decent chance of finding in a
>retail store in the past couple of years should be off limits, but
>anything older than that should be fair game.
I basically agree with you here, with the exception that any game you own
can be emulated. I'm not sure if this is legal, but I don't see any
ethical problems with it.
-Alex Mendes
Charles Miller Jr.
>Care to elaborate on what this means for those of us who exist outside of
your
>head. Or you could just start yelling "THE COLORS! THE COLORS!"
I was trying to help you out. Geesh. Don't get so damn defensive.
Pandagas
In article <Pine.GSO.4.05.990201...@joxer.acsu.buffalo.edu>,
Joshua S Redford <red...@acsu.buffalo.edu> writes:
>On 31 Jan 1999, Pandagas wrote:
>
>>
>> In article <36b889a4...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
>> anders.s...@mailbox.swipnet.se (Anders Simonsson) writes:
>>
>> >
>> >Not true. Nintendo still hunts down sites with NES (8-bit), SNES and
>> >GameBoy titles. Nintendo cares a great about their intellectual
>> >property and this latest outbreak of N64-emulation will send their
>> >army of lawyers into overdrive.
>> >
>> >BTW, using roms is illegal. If you don`t care about that, fine, but
>> >don`t try to pretend that it`s "alright" to do it.
>>
>> Of course, all this would be less of a problem if the
>> N64 had been decently priced in the first place.
>> Also, in terms of piracy from the Web, the US could
>> introduce rates for local calls and then it wouldn't
>> be worth paying for the download times. It wouldn't
>> be a total deterrent, though.
>>
>C'mon Pandagas! If the #1 excuse isn't: "it's not hurting anyone" it has
>to be "well they charge too much to begin with".
I'm not excusing emulation...
> That's a stupid excuse.
>Emulators increase the price of games just like shoplifters increase the
>price of clothes.
What about buying games second hand? Surely that does the
company much more harm, and puts up prices... i'm not
going to pay 39 quid for F Zero X when i can get it for 25 quid,
thus Nintendo aren't receiving much of my money.
Companies like to rip us off, there is no doubt about it..
in fact, if i was a conspiracy theorist i'd say Nintendo would encourage
emulation, so they can use this as an excuse for robbing money off
small children.
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It surrrrre is nice outside! Climb a tree! Goof off! - Calvin and Hobbes
Joshua Kaufman
> What about buying games second hand? Surely that does the
> company much more harm, and puts up prices... i'm not
> going to pay 39 quid for F Zero X when i can get it for 25 quid,
> thus Nintendo aren't receiving much of my money.
> Companies like to rip us off, there is no doubt about it..
> in fact, if i was a conspiracy theorist i'd say Nintendo would encourage
> emulation, so they can use this as an excuse for robbing money off
> small children.
>
That;s different. Nintendo gets your money indirectly through someone
else with a used game. Someone else buys it, N gets money. They sell it
to you, so you've put your money to the seller, who had given N the
money which is now your money, in a way.