Re: Does Nintendo need more violent games???
Lorfarius
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> I have always had a Nintendo. I remember we were the only family
> on the block that had one for nearly two years. When I was younger
> nothing seemed to be able to rival Nintendo's juggernaut like power.
> Sega, Genesis, Neo Geo, Turbo Graphix 16, Dreamcast, all succumb to
> Nintendo's might. All except Playstation and Microsoft. Once Nintendo
> removed themseves from the violent game genre, Sony and Microsoft picked
> up the slack. Nintendo's fans that had always enjoyed such titles had
> to look for thier fix some where else.
> So the question I pose to you is ..... Does Nintendo need more
> violent games to return to the video gaming power house it once was? Or
> is it merely a shadow of it's former self hiding behind the light of
> it's glory days?
>
> Joe Vig
>
The Dreamcast came out way before the Gamecube and died shortly after it was
released, but I dont believe that had anything to do with Nintendo, more
likely the might of Sony and lack of good marketing. The other Sega systems
(genesis etc) came pretty close to beating Nintendo altogether, The genesis
or megadrive as it was called in Europe all but outsold the SNES completely,
a similar tale happened in Japan.
Nintendo were never one for violent games, so Im not sure when they removed
themselves fro it? The NES never saw violent games due to the Nintendo Seal
of Quality and only a few came to the SNES (the likes of Mortal Kombat and
Doom) but even these were edited to remove blood, swastikas etc. Nintendo
have and always will concentrate on fun video games, which Im afraid do
appear kiddy like at times until you play them further of course.
The current Nintendo systems may not have many violent games, but with the
likes of Resident Evil 4 on the GCube, Nintendo has already shown it can
host them.
Joe Vig
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Three things really did Nintendo in back in the days of the original
Playstation and that was Squaresoft jumping ship for whatever reason (I
heard Nintendo was too controlling and their were profit issues between
them?), EA Sport's massive support of the Playstation and little to none for
the N64, and the incredibly popularity of Nintendo games on their own system
that worked against sales by third parties. The Squaresoft support alone
and the massive number of people it brought to Playstation really started
Playstation on it's path to market dominance. Also it was much cheaper to
develop for the Playstation back then which probably helped a lot with
Playstation's third party support and the fact Sony didn't have an extremely
strong first party for developers to compete with like Nintendo did and
still does.
Now the problem is that EA and Squaresoft are so closely tied with Sony that
Nintendo probably doesn't have a chance to get them back. What's even worse
is the poor sales of Resident Evil 4 in Japan and Capcom's financial
problems because of it will probably scare away even more third party
support away from Nintendo. With each passing console generation Nintendo's
chances of making a comeback seem to get even worse. Now they have the PSP
to content with in and if it's a success then Nintendo's ace of having the
gameboy to make up for their consoles will be lost. Chances are Microsoft
will probably release a handheld as well to counter Sony and it will just
eat away even more of Nintendo's handheld marketshare in North America and
Europe.
I don't think violent games will bring anyone back and if anything will just
scare away the parents that are buying Nintendo's products as it is. Of the
big three console makers Nintendo is really in the worst position, but I
truly hope they luck into another Pokemon phenomena or something to allow
them to remain in the console business because they really do make unique
products.
Lorfarius
> just scare away the parents that are buying Nintendo's products as it is.
> Of the big three console makers Nintendo is really in the worst position,
> but I truly hope they luck into another Pokemon phenomena or something to
> allow them to remain in the console business because they really do make
> unique products.
Worst case scenario, they stop making consoles and switch to software. Just
like Sega, which wouldnt be a bad thing as the unique games they make would
be on multiformats then.
Josh Bressers
> Worst case scenario, they stop making consoles and switch to software. Just
> like Sega, which wouldnt be a bad thing as the unique games they make would
> be on multiformats then.
I don't think Nintendo will stop making consoles to focus on software,
but one never does know. I like to think of Nintendo as the "Apple of
video games". They stick to making things that are stylish and innovative,
which tend to not have a mass market appeal.
I think the real battle that's coming is going to be in the portable
market. Right now Nintendo has a big head start against Sony, and they
understand much of what the consumer is looking for, and give it to them.
The Game Boy handhelds have outlasted many other systems, but I don't
think the PSP will go down quite so easy. As always, "it's the games,
stupid".
It should be an interesting year.
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Josh Bressers
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Michael Cargill
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>They stick to making things that are stylish and innovative,
> which tend to not have a mass market appeal.
Such as...?
Aaron J. Bossig
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I'd miss them from the hardware angle. I've got a laundry list of
complaints about the design of my PS2 and X-Box, but my Cube constantly
amazes me with its simple-yet-effective design. They also, IMO, have the
best controller design of any current-generation system (though I admit
I think it's a step backward from the N64 controller).
I've got my complaints about Nintendo, too, but I don't want to lose
their hardware.
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Aaron J. Bossig
Lorfarius
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The original Gameboy was such a thing on release, the SP was another. The
main consoles have all been pretty ugly.
Stimpson
company. They took out the swear words in Tony Hawk 1(being as mild as
'damn') for N64. They took out the blood in MK. As adult Nintendo has
ever gotten was Conker's Bad Fur Day. Which was full of mainly potty
humor, yet was a good game. I think Nintendo needs to break away from
this image. Even with them releasing RE titles, they still seem kiddie
in the eyes of the gamers. They need to not just release violent, adult
games, they need better 3rd party support. And if they do release these
adult gams, they need to be good. Not just bloody for the sake of
bloody. Look at GTA. Those are great games, yet having adult themes.
Nintendo needs to get in touch with the gamers, ask what the want, not
what THEY think the gamers want, which the seem to think they know a
lot about gamers according to their interviews. They obviously don't
know what we want...
Lorfarius
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Nintendo are still making a ton of money in all teritories. Until they start
making huge losses (ala Sega) then nothing will change. They seem happy to
plod along with the kiddy image.
Nathan Gibney
*cough* Resident Evil 4 *cough*