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A Critical Analysis of the Captain N Fandom (Part 6)

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Mark Moore

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May 23, 2002, 9:27:53 PM5/23/02

The Big Hack

Written: Monday, April 29, 2002, 7:41 PM - 9:35 PM; Thursday, May 9,
2002, 9:08 PM - 10:11 PM; Wednesday, May 22, 2002, 11:47 PM - 11:51 PM

On Tuesday, August 21, 2001, I noticed that something was very wrong.

Here is an excerpt from an ICQ chat that I had with Mike on that day
(I am "Riot", and Mike is "Loki"):

Riot: (4:23 PM) But I can't get into my Yahoo! account!
Loki: (4:24 PM) So? Do you think Satan cares?
Riot: (4:35 PM) Dude, ICQ disconnected, and it said my ICQ # is being
used by a different computer.
Loki: (4:35 PM) wtf? :P jeezus.
Riot: (4:36 PM) I wonder if Web is behind this.
Loki: (4:36 PM) I doubt it.
Riot: (4:44 PM) Apparently, ihavedoneso is still a valid Yahoo!
account (I just tried re-registering it, and it said it's already
taken), but it keeps giving me an Invalid Password error.
Loki: (4:45 PM) weird. icq was doing that same shit to me.

My Yahoo! account (ihavedoneso), my Hotmail account (kevinkeene), my
ICQ account (Riot), and my AOL Instant Messenger account (ihavedoneso)
all ended up being hacked into.

For all four of these accounts, the passwords were changed, so I
couldn't get in. I had given fake information when I had registered
the Yahoo! account, and I had forgotten what that information was, so
I couldn't get a new password. My Hotmail account was eventually
deleted.

I immediately had my suspicions as to who the hacker was, of course.

I went into Webster's #Captain_N chat channel on the gammaforce.org
server. Here's an excerpt from the chat (I'm "Bunny_on_Moon", Webster
is "Captain_N", Chris Blair is "Captain_N_Neo", and Beth is "Zero"):

[18:35] <Captain_N> Mark...
[18:35] <Captain_N> ...I think I should forward this to you.
[18:36] <Captain_N> It's someone saying that they got into your Yahoo
account.
[18:37] <Captain_N> Mark?
[18:38] <Captain_N> Do you want me to forward this to you?
[18:38] *** Zero has joined #captain_n
[18:38] *** Captain_N sets mode: +o Zero
[18:38] <Captain_N> Z!
[18:38] * Captain_N huggles Z.
[18:38] <Zero> Yes? You summoned me?
[18:38] * Zero huggles back
[18:41] <DJ_Foxy> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010821/sc/mdf39880.html
[18:41] <DJ_Foxy> back : [ AutoAway after 10mins ] Gone for 52mins
1sec @[5:49PM] : z :
[18:41] <DJ_Foxy> whoa
[18:42] <Zero> Hi foxy!
[18:43] <DJ_Foxy> hello
[18:43] <DJ_Foxy> :)
[18:43] <Bass> In whose Yahoo Mail account?
[18:44] <Captain_N> It's Mark's account.
[18:44] <Bass> oh.
[18:51] <Captain_N> http://captain_n.tripod.com/ - Mark, your website
is apparently updated, too.
[18:53] <Captain_N> ...and forwarding to me!
[18:53] * Captain_N laughs.
[18:53] <Bunny_on_Moon> You asshole.
[18:53] <Captain_N> Me?
[18:54] * Captain_N_Neo looks at Mark's site
[18:54] <DJ_Foxy> away : [ AutoAway after 10mins (l:on/p:on) ]
@[6:01PM] : z :
[18:54] <Captain_N> Mark, I've TRIED to get your site shut down, I've
NEVER been able to!
[18:54] <Captain_N_Neo> Hey, since when did Mark use Cynthia's CN
midi?
[18:56] <Captain_N> Mark: And why the fuck are you calling me an
asshole?
[18:56] <Zero> Eh?? o-o;;
[18:57] <Bunny_on_Moon> Gee, Web, who else but you would hack into my
site and put up a link pointing to The Captain N Network?
[18:57] <Bunny_on_Moon> And it's not Cynthia's midi. It was made by
Lyndon moore.
[18:57] <Bass> O.O
[18:57] <Captain_N> Just about every N-fan out there!
[18:57] <Captain_N_Neo> Mark: that sounds like the midi that was at
Cynthia's page
[18:57] <Captain_N> And, Mark, I WISH I could take responsibility
for this!
[18:57] <Captain_N_Neo> not the cheap circus music you had
[18:58] <Captain_N> But, you know what, I've never been able to get
into it!
[18:59] <Captain_N> The closest, Mark, that I have EVER been to
hacking into one of your accounts was my ability to see your password
on the CN Forum!
[18:59] <Bunny_on_Moon> That's cuz you own the CN Forum.
[18:59] <Captain_N> Yeah.
[18:59] <Captain_N> And that's the CLOSEST I've ever gotten to
breaking into one of your accounts!
[19:08] <Captain_N> I'll BRB. I need to get some food.
[19:09] <Zero> Kay WEb
[19:14] *** Baby_Ford has joined #Captain_N
[19:15] <Captain_N> Back.
[19:15] *** DJ_Foxy has quit IRC (Ping timeout )
[19:16] <Zero> WB
[19:17] <Bunny_on_Moon> UPN
[19:17] <Captain_N> So, Mark, do you accept that it wasn't me?
[19:18] <Bunny_on_Moon> No.
[19:18] <Captain_N> God.

Here's the complete text of the e-mail (excluding the weird characters
from the GIF attachment) that Webster sent me that he claimed he
received from the "someone":

From: ihave...@hotmail.com (ihave...@hotmail.com)
To: senshi...@sailormoon.com
Cc:
Subject: Turn This Into A GIF - It's Mark's Yahoo
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:31:57 -0500
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I broke into Mark Moore's e-mail account. It was no biggie but I
thought you might be interested as I've read that you, too, are
against Moore's behaviours.

I'm trying to get into his other accounts, too. I really hope that you
can do something useful with this. If I am able to do anything else I
will contact you.

As to his Captain N website, if I get into that I will redirect it to
your website. I do not know you but I can only assume that your
website is at least better than his from looking at it only long
enough to find your e-mail address.

Notice how the e-mail address listed is ihave...@hotmail.com? Well,
my e-mail address was ihave...@yahoo.com. This letter that Webster
said he received from the hacker is obviously fake.

I informed Mandi about all of the hacks. She and a friend looked into
it. They discovered that the e-mail was sent through a service where
the sender types in his e-mail address manually. Therefore, any e-mail
address could be listed on the "From:" line. I'm betting that Webster
used this service to send an e-mail to himself at sailormoon.com, then
he checked his e-mail, saved the page, and e-mailed it to me, claiming
he received it from the hacker.

My site, The Unofficial Captain N Home Page (captain_n on Tripod), had
been hacked into and deleted. Webster, of course, denied all
responsibility, but he was more than willing to "help" me.

In this next ICQ chat, Webster again offers to host my site on CNN:

N-finity M: (8:45 PM) Mark... are you there?
Riot: (8:45 PM) Yeah. Wadaya want?
N-finity M: (8:46 PM) Do you have a backup of your site?
Riot: (8:46 PM) Yeah.
N-finity M: (8:46 PM) Well, remember when I was offering you the
subdomain?
Riot: (8:47 PM) Forget it. I know you deleted my site just so you'd
have a reason to host it on your own site.
N-finity M: (8:47 PM) Bullshit!
N-finity M: (8:47 PM) Mark, I did NOT do this to you!
Riot: (8:48 PM) Uh-huh, and it's just a coincidence that this
mysterious hacker posted a link to your site without looking through
it much?
N-finity M: (8:48 PM) I had that subdomain created by JD before I
offered you the space, even.

If you want it, I'll STILL give it to you!
N-finity M: (8:50 PM) Mark, there are only TWO other real CN sites
out there... mine and Blair's.

Now, you don't link to Blair's and its not listed many places...
...therefore it's LOGICAL that my site would be forwarded to if the
person deleted your site!

In these next excerpts from ICQ chats, Webster says that he's received
something from the hacker:

N-finity M: (12:12 AM) Mark, Chris's rant has been removed and Roll
has made peace with Mandi.
N-finity M: (12:12 AM) You, on the other hand, are a sick fuck.
Riot: (12:12 AM) I am?
N-finity M: (12:14 AM) The same guy sent a ZIP of correspondence
between you and Mandi.

Riot: (12:14 AM) The same guy is you, Web.
N-finity M: (12:15 AM) Mark, I'm not even going to argue that with
you again.
I did NOT hack your e-mail account nor your Tripod account.
End debate.
Riot: (12:15 AM) Then why is this "guy" sending all this stuff to you?
N-finity M: (12:16 AM) You know what, I don't know!

Riot: (12:17 AM) Dude, quit this bullshit and e-mail me the new
password for my Yahoo! account. You csan keep the Tripod account, but
I need the Yahoo! account. I'm the guy in charge of archiving the
digests for the Jem mailing list.
N-finity M: (12:20 AM) Mark, read my type: I DON'T HAVE IT! I DID
NOT HACK INTO YOUR YAHOO! ACCOUNT!
Riot: (12:21 AM) If you didn't, then why did you read my mail instead
of deleting the ZIP file?
N-finity M: (12:22 AM) Mark... DUH!
I wanted to read them!
I figured that if someone took the time to send me your e-mail that
there was a REASON for it.
Riot: (12:23 AM) Suuure.
N-finity M: (12:24 AM) Mark, you really are an idiot.

Okay, let's walk through this here:

Webster denies hacking into my accounts and deleting my Captain N
site, even though he had made threats to do it prior to August 21, and
there is now a page with links to CNN, The Captain N Forum, and Game
World at the location where my site used to be located:

http://members.tripod.com/~captain_n/index.html

Also, Webster claims that the hacker sent him a ZIP file of e-mail
that I had received from Mandi Paugh. A lot of the stuff that Mandi
and I talk about is very private, to be shared with no one else, and
Webster freely admits to reading it. Regardless of whether he hacked
into my Yahoo! account or received the messages in a ZIP file, he
shouldn't have read them. It was a blatant disregard for my (and
Mandi's) right to privacy.

Over the next few days, I went into #Captain_N and chatted with
Webster. He still denied being the hacker, but he seemed to know quite
a bit about hacking.

Remember my list of URLs for my website. It's time to add to it:

Thursday, February 27, 1997 - early June, 1997 -
http://www.tnro.com/public/captain_n/index.htm (hit count: 1900+)

Saturday, June 28, 1997, 9:27 PM - Thursday, September 25, 1997 -
http://www.montego.com/~captain_n/index.html

Thursday, September 25, 1997, 9:25 PM - Tuesday, February 10, 1998,
10:00 AM - http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/4389/index.html
(hit count: 5560)

Tuesday, February 10, 1998, 10:00 AM - Monday, February 23, 1998 -
http://thor.prohosting.com/~kiddv/index.html

Friday, February 27, 1998 - Tuesday, March 3, 1998 -
http://members.tripod.com/~captain_n/index.html (a Season 4 episode
only)

Tuesday, March 3, 1998 - Tuesday, August 21, 2001 -
http://members.tripod.com/~captain_n/index.html

Sunday, September 9, 2001 - present -
http://ucnhp.tripod.com/index.html

The Unofficial Captain N Home Page, which had been on Tripod for over
three years and online for over four years, had been hacked into and
deleted by an obsessive 17-year-old who hadn't joined the online
Captain N fandom until after my site had debuted. For that reason (and
many others), he did not have the right to delete something that I had
worked so hard on.

On the twelfth anniversary of Captain N's series premiere, The
Unofficial Captain N Home Page went back online, and it has since been
located here:

http://ucnhp.tripod.com/index.html

My site was back up, but, even though I submitted the new URL to
search engines, it did not receive as many hits as it used to at its
original Tripod location.

To make matters worse, the old location was listed in a lot of search
engines and on a lot of websites, allowing Webster to mmoch off of the
hits.

I've tried to get as many sites as I can to update their links. I've
posted the new URL to Usenet. Still, I doubt that many people know
that The Unofficial Captain N Home Page still exists.

Could things possibly get any worse? Yes, they could. Read on and see
for yourself how Webster Sterling Swenson sunk to new lows.

Webster Goes Wonky

Written: Friday, May 10, 2002, 10:00 AM - 12:15 PM; Saturday, May 18,
2002, 8:22 PM - 11:12 PM; Tuesday, May 21, 2002, 9:25 AM - 12:19 PM;
Wednesday, May 22, 2002, 6:21 PM - 7:37 PM

Where were you on Tuesday, September 11, 2001? What were you doing?

I can tell you exactly where I was and what I did. I woke up around
8:00 AM as usual. I did stuff on my computer. My mom works at
Wal-Mart, and, on that day, she was working from the early morning to
sometime in the afternoon or evening. She had asked me to tape "Port
Charles" and "All My Children" for her. So, around 12:15 PM, I turned
on the TV, turned on the VCR, and set the VCR to ABC 28 (channel 11 on
Time Warner Cable). I started the tape, but then I noticed that,
during the local news, the words "Terrorism Hits Home" were on the
screen.

I stood in the living room and watched. The station then switched back
to the national coverage. I ran outside to the carport, where my dad
was working on his car. I informed him that airplanes had hit the
Pentagon and the World Trade Center. He didn't understand what I was
talking about the first time, so I explained it again. He ran into the
house with me, and we both watched the news coverage.

At around 1:00 PM, I drove to McDonald's to have lunch with my mom
during her lunch break. We ate hamburgers and talked about what had
happened. We then went to Wal-Mart and sat in the snack bar. I watched
CNN's coverage on the nearby TV (with the volume either down or
muted).

When my mom's lunch was about to end, I left. I stopped off at a pawn
shop to look around and bought a tape of "BraveStarr" (1980s cartoon
series). I then went back home and recorded the show to my hard drive
while watching the news coverage.

I learned a lot. I didn't know anything about the World Trade Center
or what procedures are followed when something like this occurs. I
watched the news for the rest of the day and for days afterward.

So, while most of the rest of the country was deep in shock and
praying for the victims, what was Webster Sterling Swenson doing on
September 11th? I can imagine it. He turned on the TV, saw what was
happening, and thought, "Man! I can use this!" So, he stuck in a tape,
recorded the footage, took screen captures, and added a sprite of Mega
Man (which represents him) and a dialogue bubble.

The result was a September 11th "special edition" of "N-Fans":

http://www.captainn.net/img/e0037_se.gif

Webster's phone call to Mandi Paugh proved that he is obsessive. This
proved that he has no compassion. What kind of person would take a
horrible tragedy such as the September 11th terrorist attacks and
create an online comic about it using footage and video game sprites?
Who would be so heartless as to insert a sprite of Mega Man next to
images of the Twin Towers crumbling?

Webster Sterling Swenson, that's who.

Now, I understand how making comics out of video game sprites could be
fun. Heck, I want to try making a Roll comic. But what Webster had
done was very opportunistic and wrong.

Here are some posts that Webster made to his own message board, The
Captain N Forum:

315 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: Favorite
Captain N on: Nov 18th, 2001, 1:52pm
The Trouble With Tetris...
...and Season 2...
...because Season 2 was full of cute guys...
...and The Trouble With Tetris had my favorite cutie!

314 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: Favorite
Captain N on: Nov 19th, 2001, 4:26am
Actually I think it would be more like "Webster sexually torturing
Lyle, hanging from a tree... Phoenix drawing... he he he."

But I'm no lyricist...
*grins*

298 Miscellaneous / Mature Topics / CaptainN.net YAOI! on: Dec 14th,
2001, 5:28pm
Okay, boys and girls, some of you know of this sector but, because of
Chris's requests, it has previously not been publicly refered to.
Girls and gays, I'm sorry: it really is a shame that it hasn't been!

Thusly, I now reveal it... the Pastel Sector of Captain N.net...

http://yaoi.captainn.net/
Welcome to Videoland as you've never seen it before. Welcome to
CaptainN.net YAOI!

297 N-Fans: The Series / Sunday Comics / Re: Favorite Manga Character?
on: Dec 14th, 2001, 7:46pm
I like Rockkun and Pitkun!
They're sooooo cy-ute together!
^_^

Webster started adding Kevin / Link erotic artwork to his site. They
were done by an artist nicknamed "Phoenix", Webster's boyfriend. When
someone criticized the artwork, Webster posted this in response:

291 N-Fans: The Series / Sunday Comics / Re: Awwwwwww!!! on: Dec 21st,
2001, 4:10pm
Although I respect your right to post, Red, that post really was
unwelcomed for this thread. This thread (although it has been about
complimenting Phoenix's work for the entirety of it previous) would
allow criticism... but you didn't make any valid ones. I could have
censored a part of the image (I do note that) but I didn't want to. It
was cute as a whole and, even if I had been heterosexual, I likely
would not have.

Red, that Phoenix is gay really has no valid point in the 'yaoi
tendencies' of his artwork. He does that because that's what he sees
as being appropriate. He's done some artwork with 'yuri tendencies' as
well. Sexuality is a beautiful thing and (although he sometimes makes
it just sexy and hot and umm... well... appealing) Phoenix tends to
capture that well.

He's also done a lot of images without any sexual feelings in them.
Perhaps you haven't seen them... but I have.

He draws what you ask him to.

...but apparently, because of your comments previous to this post, he
does not feel inclined to draw for you any longer.

That's a shame.

I'm not sure what else to say.

Here is another post that Webster made to the Forum:

287 General / General Lounge / Re: See you around on: Dec 27th, 2001,
3:45pm
We have social lives... it's just that we don't have them in real
life. Perhaps that's good... perhaps that's bad... but either way...
we still have social lives. Some of us are planning to get together on
New Year's in #Captain_N... chat, mess around... Pchan'll probably get
a mini-orgy going before anyone else even realizes it... stuff that we
enjoy. *smiles softly* If you can be there and don't have an RL event
placed over it... please come. Raven, this especially applies to you.
We love having you in #Captain_N, Rave, and this'd be a good day to do
it, I think.
*kisses Raven's cheek*
Hope you feel better soon.

Here is the complete text from an IRC chat that I had with Webster
(I'm "ks_fan", and Webster is "Captain_N"):

Session Start: Sat Sep 29 00:49:47 2001
[00:49] Session Ident: Captain_N
(zirc...@c5800-10-bis.p393.btigate.com)
[00:49] <Captain_N> Mark...
[00:49] <ks_fan> Yup?
[00:50] <Captain_N> ...I'm not sure why I'm going to tell you this...
but I am.
[00:50] <Captain_N> I'm getting a little flack for this... mostly
because Chris is worried that I'm going to
[00:50] <Captain_N> "become Mark"... but.
[00:50] <Captain_N> http://yaoi.captainn.net - Something like that.
That is what should have been done with Season 7.
Session Close: Sat Sep 29 00:58:42 2001

2001 ended. It was the first year since 1996 that didn't have new
Captain N fan fiction from me. No one was interested in writing
episodes for my continuation anymore, and I had received no more
feedback on my existing fanfics, therefore I had no interest in
writing fanfics if no one was willing to contribute or comment on my
work.

2002 showed Webster continuing to become more and more crazy.

Here are excepts from an IRC chat that I had with Chris Blair (I'm
"Bunny_on_Moon", and Chris is "Gaea_Chris"):

Session Start: Tue Jan 22 19:06:28 2002
[19:06] <Bunny_on_Moon> I hear you re-registered captain_n on Tripod
after it was mysteriously deleted.
[19:07] * Gaea_Chris nods
[19:07] <Bunny_on_Moon> I want it back.
[19:07] <Gaea_Chris> Why?
[19:07] <Bunny_on_Moon> It was mine for three years, and it's not my
fault that someone hacked into it and deleted the account.
[19:10] <Bunny_on_Moon> You knew that the site gets a lot of hits, so
you registered it and set up links to your site and Web's site just to
get more hits. It's wrong, and you know it.
[19:11] <Gaea_Chris> ACtual, I would be very willing to link it to
your new site as well
[19:11] <Bunny_on_Moon> I want my old location back.
[19:12] <Gaea_Chris> Mark, you have done nothing but insult me. Do you
really think I would want to give it to you? You have a new site. I
have a nexus, one which I intend to change so that Web's site is not
the prominent featured site.
[19:13] <Bunny_on_Moon> Why did you register THAT particular name?
[19:13] <Gaea_Chris> Because I found it stated to not exist, and I was
curious to see if it was open
[19:13] <Bunny_on_Moon> I want it back. It rightfully belongs to me,
since it was stolen from me.
[19:16] <Gaea_Chris> It can't exactly belong to you when it didn't
exist anymore when I registered it.
[19:17] <Bunny_on_Moon> But it was stolen from me and deleted. That's
the point. I should still own it.
[19:17] <Bunny_on_Moon> It's like a thief robbing a bank and then
dropping the money on the sidewalk. People passing by have no right to
it.
[19:18] <Gaea_Chris> No Mark, it's not.
[19:18] <Gaea_Chris> What I did was perfectly legal
[19:18] <Gaea_Chris> I was curious, checked to see if the domain was
truly deleted, and it was
[19:18] <Bunny_on_Moon> I'll find out what my lawyer says and let you
know.
[19:19] <Bunny_on_Moon> If you saw that the domain was deleted, then
you should've done the honorable thing and deleted the account again,
so that I could reclaim it.
[19:21] <Gaea_Chris> Mark, when have you been concerned about "honor"?
Every time I had tried to be peacefull and asked you to stop insulting
me all the time, you continued to make rude and foul comments about me
[19:22] <Bunny_on_Moon> Cuz you deserved them. You lied about Captain
N.
[19:22] <Gaea_Chris> No, I didn't.
[19:22] <Bunny_on_Moon> That stupid "movie" thing for instance.
[19:22] * Gaea_Chris rolls his eyes.
[19:24] <Gaea_Chris> that justifies throwing insult after insult at me
over something that has nothing to do with that subject?
[19:24] <Bunny_on_Moon> The "movie" done by an animation company that
isn't mentioned on the 'Net anywhere, voiced by actors not listed in
the Internet Movie Database, etc...
[19:24] <Gaea_Chris> For one thing, I wasn't lying. I remember such a
movie, I know at least one other person who remembers such a movie...
[19:24] <Bunny_on_Moon> The movie that is not listed in the date/time
you mentioned in an online TV guide I read.
[19:25] <Bunny_on_Moon> A person that only you know, I take it.
[19:25] <Gaea_Chris> No, other people at the high school I went to
knows her
[19:25] <Bunny_on_Moon> Oh, sure.
[19:27] * Gaea_Chris sighs
[19:28] <Gaea_Chris> Unless you have anything civil and polite to say,
I have to be going.
[19:29] <Bunny_on_Moon> Then go.
[19:29] <Gaea_Chris> I have a site to do maintanence to, a comic to
work on, and custom CD orders to take list of.
Session Close: Tue Jan 22 19:29:58 2002

Here are excepts from IRC chats that I had with Webster (I'm
"Bunny_on_Moon", and Webster is "Captain_N"):

Session Start: Tue Jan 22 21:40:21 2002
[21:40] <Bunny_on_Moon> I understand you want to put Cynthia's fanfics
on your site.
[21:41] <Captain_N> Yes, and she's granted me permission.
[21:42] <Bunny_on_Moon> She did that cuz she's afraid that you'd
harass her otherwise.
[21:43] <Bunny_on_Moon> And because no one else had ever offered to
host her stories.
[21:43] <Bunny_on_Moon> I've offered to host them.
[21:43] <Bunny_on_Moon> I'll be putting them on my site as soon as I
receive them from her.
[21:44] <Captain_N> Why in good gods would she think that, Mark?
[21:45] <Bunny_on_Moon> I told her about how you e-mailed Mandi 3
times to add a link to your site, then, after she didn't answer you,
how you found out her phone number and called her at home.
[21:46] <Captain_N> -_-
[21:46] <Bunny_on_Moon> Did you know that Mandi never even received
your e-mails?
[21:47] <Captain_N> How could I if she didn't?
[21:47] <Bunny_on_Moon> She has someone to check her mail for her and
delete the junk mail.
[21:47] <Captain_N> Then that's HER problem.
[21:48] <Bunny_on_Moon> But still, you could've just tried e-mailing
her again until you got a response.
[21:48] <Captain_N> I had done it three times, Mark. Why in the gods
would I expect any of the others to be different?
[21:48] <Bunny_on_Moon> Instead, you looked up the phone number of a
person you didn't even know and called her at home, asking her to link
to your website.
[21:48] <Bunny_on_Moon> That's obsessive.
[21:48] <Captain_N> *nods* Yes, I did do that.
[21:49] <Bunny_on_Moon> You're an obsessive freak.
[21:49] <Captain_N> No, that's me using what I know to try to achieve
a goal.
[21:49] <Bunny_on_Moon> What normal person would go through that
trouble to promote a website based on an old Saturday morning cartoon
series?
[21:50] <Captain_N> Umm... you.
[21:50] <Bunny_on_Moon> I never did that.
[21:51] <Bunny_on_Moon> And I would never call up a 'Net friend at
home without prior written permission!
[21:51] <Captain_N> You did promote it... your methods were just
different.
[21:51] <Captain_N> Oh, Mark, that's funny.

[21:51] <Bunny_on_Moon> I e-mailed people! That's normal! How would
you feel if you got a call from some stranger, asking you to link to
his website?
[21:52] <Captain_N> I'd be put off for five seconds in confusion...
then be like "Dude... you rule!"
[21:52] <Captain_N> Seriously.
[21:52] <Bunny_on_Moon> You have no life.

[21:53] <Bunny_on_Moon> And what business did you have reading them,
anyway?
[21:53] <Captain_N> They were sent to me.
[21:53] <Bunny_on_Moon> So?

[21:54] <Bunny_on_Moon> You knew that it was my personal e-mail.
[21:54] <Bunny_on_Moon> Therefore, you had no business reading it.
[21:54] <Bunny_on_Moon> If a hacker sent me your personal e-mail, how
would you feel if I read it?

[21:55] <Captain_N> I'd be fine with it.
[21:55] <Bunny_on_Moon> What if I commented about it on my website?
[21:55] <Captain_N> As long as you link to me on each e-mail, sure.
[21:56] <Bunny_on_Moon> You have no respect from privacy, do you?
[21:56] <Captain_N> Speaking of which, do you want to be linked by the
Nexus or CN.net?
[21:56] <Bunny_on_Moon> No. I already asked Blair to give me my old
site location back. He refused.
[21:56] <Captain_N> *nods* His perogative.
[21:56] <Bunny_on_Moon> Okay, Swenson, let's walk through this.
[21:56] <Captain_N> I don't even have the password to it anymore since
he changed it.
[21:57] <Bunny_on_Moon> My site (which I've had for 3 years) was
hacked into. It momentarily linked to your site while giving no
indication that it was an off-site link.
[21:57] <Bunny_on_Moon> Then the account was deleted.
[21:58] <Bunny_on_Moon> Then Blair registered it and linked to your
site and his.
[21:58] <Bunny_on_Moon> And he thinks that's fair.
[21:58] <Captain_N> Then Chris re-regged it and I did HTMl and
uploaded it.
[21:58] <Captain_N> Then he changed the password so he's the only one
with access.
[21:58] <Captain_N> I don't think it's fair that only he has access...
[21:59] <Bunny_on_Moon> He told me he saw my site was down and
registered it because he was merely curious as to whether it was
available.
[21:59] <Captain_N> ...but I think that his decision to not give it
back is fair.
[21:59] <Bunny_on_Moon> Duh! The site was down! Of course the account
was available! He didn't need to register it to find out!
[22:00] <Captain_N> But he wanted to find out IF it was
reregisterable.
[22:01] <Bunny_on_Moon> Then he could've unregistered it once he found
out.
[22:01] <Bunny_on_Moon> But he kept it.
[22:01] <Bunny_on_Moon> And you put up HTML linking to your site and
his.
[22:02] <Bunny_on_Moon> To get more hits to your own sites, since you
know that URL gets lots of hits.
[22:03] <Captain_N> Yes, and knowing that YOU didn't really update
your website.
[22:03] <Bunny_on_Moon> But I did occasionally, and you KNOW I had no
intention of taking it down.
[22:04] <Captain_N> No, but it wasn't providing the help and info it
should have. It provided info, yes, but the ways of communication
between fans were lacking.
[22:04] <Captain_N> Anyways, the sites I run are actually in the top
links now.
[22:06] <Bunny_on_Moon> How convenient for you.
[22:06] <Bunny_on_Moon> One favor: Let me host Cyndi's stories instead
of you.
[22:07] <Captain_N> Why?
[22:07] <Bunny_on_Moon> To diversify. You can't host ALL the Captain N
fanfic.
[22:07] <Captain_N> There are fics that you host/used to host that I
don't.
[22:08] <Bunny_on_Moon> I don't host any currently.
[22:08] <Captain_N> Why not?
[22:08] <Bunny_on_Moon> And you're hosting my site's continuation.
[22:08] <Captain_N> Which you should really put back up since I won't
put S7/Dazzle into it.
[22:09] <Bunny_on_Moon> Well, let me host Cyndi's stories anyway.
[22:09] <Bunny_on_Moon> And I won't make you take down my
continuation.
[22:09] <Captain_N> If she'll let you host them... sure.
[22:10] <Bunny_on_Moon> By the way, where did you get those copies of
my stories that you put up?
[22:12] <Captain_N> You sent them to me.
[22:12] <Bunny_on_Moon> When?
[22:12] <Captain_N> Six months or more ago, I think. Not exactly sure.
[22:13] <Bunny_on_Moon> Web, I took out the chapters from "Changes"
and changed the font over 3 years ago.
[22:13] <Captain_N> I converted them to that myself.
[22:13] <Captain_N> I didn't like the format you were using so I
changed it myself.
[22:13] <Bunny_on_Moon> You converted "Changes" back to the way I
originally had it?
[22:14] <Captain_N> I converted it in wordpad to a chaptered format,
yes.
[22:15] <Captain_N> Why?
[22:15] <Bunny_on_Moon> And you just happened to remember where all
the chapter divisions occured?
[22:15] <Captain_N> The chapters were LISTED, Mark.
[22:15] <Bunny_on_Moon> Unlikely.
[22:15] <Captain_N> You had it split into chapters...
[22:16] <Bunny_on_Moon> My copy of "Changes" has no chapter marks.
[22:16] <Captain_N> ...and then I recombined each... GODS!
[22:16] <Captain_N> Mark, wherever I got it from, it HAD EACH Chapter
with it's OWN file.
[22:16] <Bunny_on_Moon> I lost the copies of
separate-file-for-each-chapter "Changes" when my hard drive crashed in
1999.
[22:17] <Captain_N> I thought that I got them from you... but perhaps
I had it on CD... I DON'T KNOW!
[22:17] <Captain_N> I also had a few of the other fans from back then
send me stuff.
[22:18] <Bunny_on_Moon> Question: Do you recall when you used the name
"Captain N" on IRC and pestered me, asking why I "perversed" Captain
N?
[22:18] <Bunny_on_Moon> ICQ, rather.
[22:18] * Captain_N nods. "Slightly. It was Captain|N."
[22:18] <Captain_N> Oh, that.
[22:19] <Captain_N> Yes, I do.
[22:19] <Bunny_on_Moon> Why'd you do that?
[22:19] <Captain_N> Because I wanted that site to be used.
[22:20] <Bunny_on_Moon> You flat out demanded that I turn over my
Tripod password to the account captain_n over to you.
[22:21] <Bunny_on_Moon> Why did you care how often I updated my site?
[22:22] <Captain_N> Because it wasn't helping keep the memory of a
series alive.
[22:22] <Bunny_on_Moon> You had The Captain N Network. Why did you
want my site?
[22:23] <Captain_N> Because I could keep the memory alive better than
you.
[22:23] <Bunny_on_Moon> Like I said, you had The Captain N Network.
[22:23] <Bunny_on_Moon> Ergo, you didn't need my site.
[22:24] <Captain_N> *sighs* You had all the advatages... and you were
letting your site rot.
[22:24] <Bunny_on_Moon> I linked to your site.
[22:24] <Bunny_on_Moon> And your forum.
[22:25] <Bunny_on_Moon> In exchange for all those messages from my
message board that you were able to mass-save to your hard drive.
[22:25] <Captain_N> *nods* After trying to get you to for ages.
[22:25] <Bunny_on_Moon> So, you didn't need my site, because I was
linking to your site.
[22:26] <Bunny_on_Moon> And the link to your forum was on the freakin'
main page.
[22:26] <Bunny_on_Moon> And I linked to your site with those GIFs you
sent me.
[22:26] <Bunny_on_Moon> They stood out.
[22:27] <Captain_N> *sighs*
[22:28] <Bunny_on_Moon> Is that all you're gonna say?
[22:28] <Captain_N> What do you want me to say?
[22:28] <Bunny_on_Moon> How old are you?
[22:28] <Captain_N> 17
[22:29] <Bunny_on_Moon> And you have nothing better to do than to
harass people over a website about a 12-year-old Saturday morning
cartoon series?
[22:30] <Captain_N> No... because the people that are also fans of it
are my friends... the sort of people that I like... generally.
[22:30] <Bunny_on_Moon> You still haven't given me a good reason why
you wanted to take over my site.
[22:31] <Captain_N> Because I could have done a better job on it than
you did... and actually would have done that job.
[22:32] <Captain_N> BRB... food.
[22:32] <Bunny_on_Moon> And that's a good reason to try to take it
from me?
[22:33] <Bunny_on_Moon> So, you're saying that my linking to your site
and forum weren't enough. You needed to own the site so that you could
link to your site and forum.
[22:35] <Captain_N> *sighs* Mark, I was willing to basically
co-webmaster at one point.
[22:36] <Captain_N> You weren't doing anything to the site and you
wouldn't let others do any of the work for you.
[22:36] <Bunny_on_Moon> You mean you offered to host my site on your
site.
[22:36] <Bunny_on_Moon> And what concern is that of yours?!
[22:36] <Captain_N> No, I've offered to help the site before as well.
[22:36] <Bunny_on_Moon> I didn't want your help.
[22:36] <Bunny_on_Moon> That was a signal for you to leave me alone.
[22:36] <Captain_N> I am a fan of the Captain N community.
[22:36] <Bunny_on_Moon> But are you a fan of Captain N itself?
[22:37] <Captain_N> A fan in, I apologize, improper wording...
although that is true as well.
[22:37] <Bunny_on_Moon> If you were a fan of the Captain N community
(which includes me), you wouldn't have pestered me.
[22:37] <Captain_N> Your negligence towards the site was a concern to
be as a fan of such.
[22:37] <Bunny_on_Moon> Geez, Web, is Captain N your whole life?!
[22:38] <Captain_N> No, but it is a part of it.
[22:38] <Bunny_on_Moon> How big a part?
[22:38] <Captain_N> A big one. It's where I've met my love, many of my
friends. It could not be minor.
[22:39] <Bunny_on_Moon> I thought so. That explains it, then.
[22:40] <Bunny_on_Moon> Your life is like Captain N. It's full of plot
holes and doesn't stand up logically to close scrutiny.
[22:41] <Captain_N> Then what are you?
[22:41] <Bunny_on_Moon> Let me ask you something. Take away the entire
fandom for the moment: the fans, the fanfics, the fan art, etc...
[22:41] <Bunny_on_Moon> When you're left with the show itself, what is
it that you like about it?
[22:41] * Captain_N nods.
[22:43] <Captain_N> It's silly... but it's enjoyable. It puts me in a
place that I'd like to be: in a universe where the games (of my youth,
specifically) were the reality. It's a fantasy turned to reality.
[22:43] <Captain_N> Why did you like it so much back before the Night
of Hell.
[22:44] <Bunny_on_Moon> A universe where the games of your youth were
reality?
[22:44] <Bunny_on_Moon> Hardly.
[22:44] <Captain_N> How so, Mark?
[22:44] <Captain_N> That's what they were in the TV show
[22:44] <Bunny_on_Moon> Can you name the "game" that Kevin mentions
where Simon, Mega Man, and Kid Icarus warp to Metroid to rescue Lana
from Mother Brain?
[22:45] <Bunny_on_Moon> Can you tell me how to get to the level of
Donkey Kong that has the volcano and the jungle?
[22:45] <Captain_N> I can tell you the name... but it doesn't matter.
[22:45] <Captain_N> Those were Kevin's adventures in Videoland.
[22:45] <Bunny_on_Moon> Can you tell me which CastleVania games Simon
dressed as a pilot in?
[22:46] <Captain_N> Kevin's.
[22:46] <Bunny_on_Moon> Can you tell me where in Faxanada King Melvis
and Queen Dwarfine make an apperance?
[22:47] <Captain_N> This was Kevin's Adventure... not ours.
[22:47] <Bunny_on_Moon> Kevin's? Oh, so these WEREN'T the games of
your youth.
[22:47] * Captain_N points to CaptainN.net. "That was Kevin's
Adventures... now ours."
[22:48] <Captain_N> They were Kevin's versions of the games of our
youth, yes.
[22:48] <Bunny_on_Moon> Can you tell me any game tips that you learned
from watching Captain N?
[22:48] * Captain_N nods. "Definately."
[22:48] <Captain_N> Keep trying, eventually you're make it.
[22:49] <Captain_N> There's a hole [being the path to take], somewhere
around here... always.
[22:49] <Bunny_on_Moon> Very general.
[22:49] <Bunny_on_Moon> Nothing you couldn't get from reading Nintendo
Power.
[22:49] <Captain_N> The general are often times the best.
[22:50] <Captain_N> Oh, and of course, Big Eye is NOT something you
want to be under when it comes down. Slide away.

Session Start: Mon Mar 04 01:25:52 2002
[01:25] <Bunny_on_Moon> You there?
[01:30] <Captain_N> Yes, Mark, I am.
[01:30] <Captain_N> I was just working on the site.
[01:31] <Bunny_on_Moon> Ah. You didn't answer my question in the
channel.
[01:31] <Captain_N> What was your question?
[01:31] <Bunny_on_Moon> What's new in the world of the Neo N Fans?
[01:31] <Captain_N> Not much.
[01:32] <Captain_N> I'm overworking myself... as usual...
[01:32] <Captain_N> New people come... some stay... some go... as
usual...
[01:32] <Bunny_on_Moon> Heh. I don't do much Captain N work. I burned
myself out on Season 7.
[01:33] * Captain_N nods.
[01:33] <Bunny_on_Moon> My hard drive crashed after I put "Alliance",
episode 2, up. I lost all the work on the later episodes. So, I quick
rewrote everything to try to get one episode up per week.
[01:34] <Bunny_on_Moon> Then I had it.
[01:34] <Bunny_on_Moon> I didn't care if it sucked or not.
[01:34] <Bunny_on_Moon> I didn't update my site often.
[01:37] <Captain_N> :/
[01:37] <Bunny_on_Moon> :/?
[01:38] <Captain_N> People would have understood if you had waited,
you know.
[01:38] <Bunny_on_Moon> I was putting the episodes up in late 1999.
After I finished the semester, I wouldn't have 'Net access.
[01:38] <Bunny_on_Moon> I wanted to get the episodes up before that.
[01:38] <Captain_N> Ahh...
[01:39] <Bunny_on_Moon> I actually put the Season 7 finale up on the
last day.
[01:39] <Bunny_on_Moon> I spent most of my free time writing stuff,
with the goal being to get the stories up to around 30K each.
[01:41] <Bunny_on_Moon> That's why there was all that religious and
sex stuff. It was filler.
[01:41] <Captain_N> Mark... you should have waited.
[01:42] <Captain_N> Season 7 is basically why CN.net happened.
[01:42] <Bunny_on_Moon> Nah. I wanted to start 2000 with Season 8.
[01:42] <Bunny_on_Moon> Why DID you start the site, anyway?
[01:43] <Captain_N> It's because of all of needless sex... how you
treated Duke...
[01:43] <Bunny_on_Moon> Duke was worthless, and you know it.
[01:43] <Captain_N> Germ Wars.
[01:43] <Captain_N> Duke saved Kevin.
[01:43] <Captain_N> Your site... your writings specifically... were
harmful to the memory of Captain N.
[01:44] <Bunny_on_Moon> It's just a show, Web.
[01:45] <Bunny_on_Moon> And how, make I ask, were my writings harmful
to the memory of the show? Surely, the visitors know the difference
between the TV series and the fanfics.
[01:45] <Captain_N> But your fanfic was the continuation of the memory
of that TV series.
[01:45] <Captain_N> At a time, Mark, I enjoyed the fanfic continuation
that you began more than the show itself.
[01:45] <Bunny_on_Moon> And yet, you allow Kevin / Link romantic
artwork on your site.
[01:46] <Bunny_on_Moon> Well, that's no surprise, considering the low
standards of the show.
[01:48] <Captain_N> There's a difference between romance and porn,
Mark.
[01:48] <Captain_N> Your writings were porn.
[01:49] <Bunny_on_Moon> I'm going to paste for you a quote from
Christy Marx, the developer and head writer of "Jem", that she posted
to the Truly Outrageous! Jem mailing list a few days ago.
[01:50] <Bunny_on_Moon> Fanfic is about fun. It's about playing, about
exploration, about
[01:50] <Bunny_on_Moon> saying
[01:50] <Bunny_on_Moon> "what if?" It's about doing any damn thing you
want with the
[01:50] <Bunny_on_Moon> characters.
[01:50] <Bunny_on_Moon> Who cares? It's fanfic. Have fun. Don't take
it so blasted
[01:50] <Bunny_on_Moon> seriously. Make everybody gay. Make everybody
straight. Make
[01:50] <Bunny_on_Moon> everybody
[01:50] <Bunny_on_Moon> an alien mutant. It's FANFIC.
[01:51] <Captain_N> Mark, the difference was that YOUR fanfic was
considered THE continuation of the series.
[01:51] <Captain_N> It was almost considered canon.
[01:51] <Captain_N> You do NOT do what you did to fans.
[01:52] <Bunny_on_Moon> Why the hell did you guys consider it canon?
[01:52] <Captain_N> Because of the spirit that it had been written in
by many of your writers.
[01:52] <Bunny_on_Moon> It was for fun.
[01:54] <Bunny_on_Moon> And, if you'd like to know, I've had
Lana/Zelda and Lana/Stacey fantasies since I started watching the
show. I wrote about Lana/Stacey in my pre-site fanfic back in, like,
1992. It was bound to make its way into the site's fanfics sooner or
later.
[01:55] <Captain_N> I know that you did, Mark.
[01:55] <Bunny_on_Moon> So, what's the problem?
[01:58] <Captain_N> You did them as a part of the main continuation.
VERY few people besides you wanted that. NONE of the writers that I
know besides you and perhaps Mike wanted that.
[01:58] <Captain_N> Since you used THEIR work you had and have a
responsibility to respect THEIR wishes... especially when they're the
overwhelming majority.
[01:59] <Bunny_on_Moon> It's just fanfic.
[02:00] <Captain_N> But it's something that's not just yours!
[02:00] <Bunny_on_Moon> But they signed up to write for my
continuation.
[02:01] <Captain_N> It's something that every other writer for your
continuation contributed to! Because of that it was no longer just
your continuation... despite that you started it!
[02:01] <Captain_N> But they also had a write to demand you to remove
their work... because it was THEIR WORK. THEIR COPYRIGHT. THEIR
PROPERTY.
[02:01] <Captain_N> You refused to do that, too.
[02:02] <Bunny_on_Moon> Does a writer for a TV series have a write to
demand that the series' producer remove their episode from syndication
once it's already aired?
[02:02] <Bunny_on_Moon> right
[02:02] <Captain_N> That is not applicable, Moore.
[02:03] <Bunny_on_Moon> Why not?
[02:03] <Captain_N> They are under written contract as well as
compensated. It is not the same at all.
[02:03] <Captain_N> As you have said, it is fanfic.
[02:03] <Captain_N> YOU do not own the fanfic.
[02:03] <Captain_N> YOU do not own the rights to Captain N...
[02:03] <Bunny_on_Moon> I said "It's just fanfic".
[02:03] <Bunny_on_Moon> Neither do you.
[02:03] <Captain_N> ...and YOU do not have the right to keep fanfic up
that someone else wants down.
[02:03] <Captain_N> When it is THEIR fanfic.
[02:04] <Bunny_on_Moon> They already gave me permission once. It
stands.
[02:04] <Captain_N> No, it doesn't.
[02:05] <Bunny_on_Moon> Your opinion.
[02:07] <Bunny_on_Moon> Besides, the fanfic authors haven't contacted
me in, like, a year or something. It's all now abandonfic.
[02:08] <Bunny_on_Moon> And I've tried e-mailing them. Most of the
addresses are invalid.
[02:09] <Captain_N> And when they've tried you, you have refused.
Don't try to blame them. You are at fault./
[02:10] <Bunny_on_Moon> Fanfic is illegal anyway. Why fight over who
owns something illegal?
[02:11] <Captain_N> You are now ignored.
[02:11] <Bunny_on_Moon> Where?
[02:12] <Bunny_on_Moon> You there?
Session Close: Mon Mar 04 02:13:28 2002

Session Start: Sat Apr 06 15:41:18 2002

[15:51] <Bunny_on_Moon> Now a question about the "Kevin In Videoland"
thread.
[15:52] <Captain_N> What about it?
[15:52] <Bunny_on_Moon> Why do you think my fanfics were "wrong"?
[15:54] <Captain_N> Because you put them as part of a continuation
that so many people had worked on. It was against the wishes of almost
every writer that you do that and it hurt the community that was yours
of Captain N.
[15:55] <Bunny_on_Moon> Um, fanfic is fanfic. It's not the show.
[15:56] <Bunny_on_Moon> If the other writers didn't like what I wrote
about Lana and Zelda, they didn't have to write that stuff in their
stories.
[15:57] <Bunny_on_Moon> Besides, it was my site's continuation. I
originated it. I "produced" it. I decided what got in and what didn't.
[15:59] <Bunny_on_Moon> How would you feel if you created a fanfic
continuation of the show, and the other writers objected to where you
wanted to take it?
[16:00] <Captain_N> Then I would not let them write for it.
[16:01] <Captain_N> If they felt that something I had written was so
objectionable that they did not want their stories included in a
continuation I started, however, I would allow that to as I do not
have any legal right to the writings.
[16:01] <Bunny_on_Moon> Well, I did let them write for it. Some of
them objected to where I was taking the continuation a year after I
put their stories up.
[16:01] <Captain_N> *nods* Exactly.
[16:01] <Bunny_on_Moon> So, they're SOL.
[16:01] <Captain_N> That's because they didn't know you were going to
do that.
[16:02] <Captain_N> Fuck you, Moore.
[16:02] <Bunny_on_Moon> Heck, I didn't even know I was gonna do that
back then.
[16:02] <Bunny_on_Moon> Real intelligent comeback, there.
[16:03] <Captain_N> Indeed so, Moore.
[16:03] <Bunny_on_Moon> The way I see it, the writers signed up to
write for my site's continuation. The stories were created solely for
the continuation. They have no right to tell me to take them down.
[16:04] <Captain_N> But, Moore, that's not the way it is.
[16:04] <Bunny_on_Moon> Yes, it is.
[16:04] <Bunny_on_Moon> Writers for TV series have no right to tell
the creator of the series to pull their episodes from TV runs because
they object to where the creator took the series.
[16:05] <Captain_N> Moore, leave Server.
[16:05] <Bunny_on_Moon> Imagine what would happen if the early X-Files
writers told Chris Carter to pull their episodes because they don't
like the current season.
[16:05] <Captain_N> It's not the same thing, Moore.
[16:05] <Captain_N> Leave server.
[16:05] <Bunny_on_Moon> What? When I object to your high-and-mighty
opinion, you tell me to leave?
[16:05] <Captain_N> I am considering what you are now doing
harassment.
[16:06] <Bunny_on_Moon> Arguing with you is harassment?

More posts to the Forum by Webster:

268 General / Sprite Comics / Re: Bob and George fears... for no
reason? on: Jan 14th, 2002, 11:47am
The comic that is BnG was, when I used to read it, quite decent. The
community surrounding it, however, was far from this and, as a result,
I find myself a speaker against it when I still must be one at all.

How can one be supportive of two things so intertwined when one is so
foul?

251 N-Fans: The Series / Sunday Comics / Re: MANGA! ^o^ on: Jan 20th,
2002, 2:38pm
Actually, Archangels aren't really known for wearing clothing, if
memory serves.

There's also the issue of Pit even having a penis because angels (of
Christian mythology, at least) don't have wee-wees... but this isn't a
Christian myth... it's closer to a Greek one highly modified. Thus, he
has DICK! ^_^

So, not really did it factor in, I'd say.

218 N-Fans: The Series / Mission II / Re: new n-fan characters on: Jan
25th, 2002, 12:59pm
It's not even the "don't tick off the staff" so much here. If you have
any valid point or think out your reasoning we'll generally let you
get by with it. If you're excessively sexist, bigoted, etc. then we
won't. That falls into common sense, though.

IceTyger, for example, constantly is egging me (as well as others)
towards flipping out at him. I let him go, though, because I find some
of the things that he has said very amusing and/or insightful.

Sometimes, though, he's just what he proclaims himself to be: a
bastard.

We all learn, though... and I generally get when to just ignore him...
usually.

One of the Dumbasses,
Webster

217 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: is this
show still on TV?? on: Jan 25th, 2002, 1:19pm
Well, it COULD have been Mark Moore... as he's a yuri pervert
(sickeningly) that wrote a bunch of disgusting fics in a continuation
that.... well... Zero's rant (or Roll Rant) on that was a sometimes
sarcastic, always bitter response to what Mark had done. It's more
likely that the Roll Rant sent you here.

Trust me... Z does NOT think that Lana and Zelda are a couple...
although I'm still pushing for a romantic little Lyle/Link one! ^-^

215 General / General Lounge / Re: the stars on: Jan 25th, 2002,
7:02pm
N-finity Note: I can easily change the number of posts you have. Phil,
I should cut yours to about a third of what it is. Are you glad that
I'm not evil? Or at least... too evil?

Now for Webster's obsession with spelling and grammar. If somebody
spells his nickname, "N-finity", with a capital "F", he gets on their
case about it.

More of Webster's posts on the Forum:

206 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: Download
Videos on: Jan 28th, 2002, 8:19am
N-finity, Ice, N-finity.
If you're going to be a bastard, at least do it right.

N-Finity is not me... but rather some other freak on the net
somewhere... probably.

136 General / General Lounge / Re: Word Association #3 on: Feb 17th,
2002, 3:32pm
Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

Who Framed Roger Rabbit [As they listed it on TBS around 6:00 AM
today]

Mens Toilet

Grammar Errors that piss me off enough to change them despite that I
would be kicked out of school for correcting them.

128 General / General Lounge / Re: If N-finite should ever crack than
on: Feb 21st, 2002, 8:20am
If I ever lose it it will be because people cannot seem to get my name
correct. It is not N-finite. It is not Infinity. It is not Nfinity. It
is not N. Finity and it is definately not N-Finity.

It is N-finity. Please... Users... get it right. It's a pet peeve.

120 General / General Lounge / Re: Word Association #3 on: Feb 23rd,
2002, 11:46am
Hacker

HacKOR

WebSTOR

Web Store

Things That I Need to Set Up

118 General / General Lounge / Re: If N-finity should ever crack than
on: Feb 24th, 2002, 1:35am
People used to accuse of me being on crack.
*giggles*
I'm odd... don't fit in these things called Reality very well... and
I'm not talking about the posting one.

106 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: Anger Special! on: Feb 26th,
2002, 11:47am
Personally, as stated by myself in channel many a time (and by others
of their own opinions on this matter as well) I am much closer to the
side of the terrorists than that of the "average US citizen".

I don't really care to get into why, but the basic reason is this: the
response that the US government has given to the terrorist actions of
people like Osama bin Ladin has proven no better and perhaps worse
than the actions of these groups and individuals. As such, I cannot
find myself supporting the US government in this matter and indeed
find myself bordering on the lines of supporting the actions of some
terrorist groups and organizations due not to their beliefs (which I
am quite likely to disagree with) but to the reaction of the US
government towards them.

113 General / General Lounge / Re: Word Association #3 on: Feb 25th,
2002, 11:48am
[annoying spelling errors] grammar

Men's Toilet and Ladies' Toilet

Mens Toilet and Ladies Toilet

The Failure of Schools to use Proper (as well as Obvious) Grammar
Within Their Own Boundaries

87 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: is this show
still on TV?? on: Mar 6th, 2002, 7:50pm
Sailormoon had an actual backing, though... that's the difference.
Captain N doesn't have a backing: It has N-fans.
We're obsessed, yes... but we're not that powerful.

85 N-Fans: The Series / Mission III: Elements of Fantasy / Re: If I
ever join the comic on: Mar 8th, 2002, 10:06pm
Jinn is correct!
First rule of N-Fans: You do not ask to be in N-Fans.
Second rule of N-Fans: You do not ask to be in N-Fans.
Third rule of N-Fans: If you are the first of your group to get into
N-Fans, you must end up being hated by your peers for it.

78 General / General Lounge / An Unfortunate Day on: Mar 10th, 2002,
11:33pm
Because of the actions of some users, both in channel and outside of
it, I have to lay down some things that would normally constitute as
"rules". I wish to avoid such a term to describe these words, though,
so let us consider them an Outline of Acceptable Behavior.

If anyone has a suggestion as something to add to this Outline, or
else a comment about it, please message me regarding it. Thank you.

67 General / General Lounge / Re: mark moore on: Mar 17th, 2002,
10:30pm
Read the first Episode more carefully.
*puts Philkid physically on the "Has Asked To Be In N-Fans* list*
Okay, one less candidate.

60 General / General Lounge / Re: !emergency #captain_n on: Mar 21st,
2002, 8:21am
Steven, considering where you have posted, your time of signup, and
other variables, I have no reason not to conclude that you are one of
the two from last night.

Obsessive roleplaying can be a bad thing, but that is hardly what
those of our channel are.

I need to leave for school.
If, Steven, you are one of those from last night, you need to leave
here forever and your kind with you.

59 General / General Lounge / Re: !emergency #captain_n on: Mar 21st,
2002, 1:41pm
StevenPrice, you have been identified as
Zach-.

Your IP as found under tracert:
165.121.81.18
Your IPs as listed on this Forum:
165.121.80.3
165.121.81.4

You have two options:
1. Become banned.
2. Either leave this Forum forever or drop
inappropriate behavior.

The choice is yours but the choice must be
made.

58 General / General Lounge / Re: Earth Bound? on: Mar 22nd, 2002,
3:09am
Actually, DP, Jagan has made it to the "watch" list. He was using a
term that is not acceptable to use in the context he was using it
here... and has been warned as such.

I asked Fiero to see if he could find out about if Jagan was the one
that had been causing trouble elsewhere.

56 General / General Lounge / Re: Earth Bound? on: Mar 22nd, 2002,
10:13am
Dragon, he was not banned. He was warned. CaptainN.net will not allow
derogatory slurs and most specifically racial and sexual slurs. This
is my decision and if you disagree, that is too bad. I will not allow
a website and domain that I operate to condone or even allow such
behavior.

It is wrong to allow it.

55 General / General Lounge / CaptainN.net Caption Contest on: Mar
22nd, 2002, 6:17pm
Yes, everybody, we have a contest and it's concerning everybody's
favorite ultra-pervert, Mark Moore.

Just give this picture a caption and we'll see who the winner is! If
you really want to make me happy and increase your chances, append the
caption to this image!

Have fun!

54 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: More fascism on: Mar 26th, 2002,
2:46am
It's also not logical to leave this board completely unmoderated.

And I'm the only one that can actually do anything to it. I rarely do.

Beyond this, Rann has caused enough trouble in the past so that I have
need to moderate the 'unmoderated' board.

Trust me upon that.

47 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: For the N
team deprived. on: Apr 2nd, 2002, 12:18am
*shudders and SCREAMS*
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MANDI PAUGH BAD!
...although Zero and I did track her down and I called her asking for
a link. She did give it. It worked. It was fun.
http://www.captainn.net/e0015_se.html
That's her actual message for the first number we called. We used the
address there to track down the second number.

Damn the comic's improved since those days.

Not a fan of Mandi's works, though.

46 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: For the N
team deprived. on: Apr 2nd, 2002, 3:35am
:P
No, I like a lot of cool things.
Is Mandi cool?

Just remember:
Mark Moore + Mandi Paugh=Mandi Moore
There need be no greater evils.

45 General / General Lounge / Re: Anyone what to take this test to
prove their s on: Apr 2nd, 2002, 12:22pm
Results:
Disorder Rating Information
Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: High
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Moderate
Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: High

*shrugs*
Better than last time I took it.
And dammit, I am antisocial, at least RL.

44 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: Captain N
couples!! ^o^ on: Apr 2nd, 2002, 12:22pm
Rock-kun and Pit-kun, sitting in a tree... o/~
They make a cute couple. ^^

41 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: Episode
review: Kevin In Videoland on: Apr 5th, 2002, 3:02pm
Mark (Riot) is a twit. Ignore him and everything he says.

- N-finity
Administration

40 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: Episode
review: Kevin In Videoland on: Apr 5th, 2002, 6:29pm
It's N-finity, lowercase f. Get it right. It's one of my pet peeves
and if you want to get on my bad side it's one of the quickest ways.
It's a very minor thing and, as many of you know: I can look over
major things; it's the minor ones that piss me off.

Furthermore, Maximus, you have no idea what hell the creature known as
Mark Moore put all too many of us through. You didn't go through the
months of hell trying to, as a group about this size, convince him to
stop turning the wonderful continuation that he had created and so
many had helped him on into nothing more than a poorly written
festival of fornication. You did not experience the Night of Hell. You
did not experience the disbanding of the community you had come to
call home and then nigh two years spent trying to restore it.

You have no of the pain Moore has caused, Maximus.

Don't even pretend to know of it.

38 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: Episode
review: Kevin In Videoland on: Apr 6th, 2002, 7:29am
Mark, after a point in his continuation (this would be the point at
which the series became not even a shell of what it had been to fans
(Season 6 and 7 and beyond)) stopped writing stories and began writing
fourth rate smut... on the good days.

I'm gay. A good portion of this forum is gay. I have nothing against
lesbians; some of my greatest comrades in the past have been them.
However, what Moore wrote was not a story. It was not tasteful. It was
wrong.

Maximus, you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't speak
without knowledge.

27 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: Betrayal on: Apr 19th, 2002,
9:24am
Bitch.
You can say it, Lisa. That [b]is[b] the name of this board, after all,
and you're exactly right in using it.

Rave... as was said by Bounty, you're welcome here, #Captain_N, and in
our e-mail boxes. We're here when you need us.

Oh, and Lisa, remember: We're not over-'protective'. We're not BnG. If
kids come, they see the profanity, the sexuality, the supporting of
difference.

It's better to see the truth than to hide it.

7 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The Game Master / Re: Heyla all...
on: May 11th, 2002, 5:39am
N-Finite is correct, actually, IceTyger.
N-Finite Fangirl (UD_Gal/Lisa) =/= N-finity
Remember: I'm a boy, and boys have cute pink boyfriends.

*wakes up* I need food.

Here are posts to the Forum made by someone nicknamed "Rann" (a
21-year-old person that's upset about Webster and Webster's boyfriend,
Phoenix):

27 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Stupid people SUCK! on: Dec 15th,
2001, 9:05pm
What is happening? There are more numnuts and AOL-speakers that come
online every day, it seems. And not content to hang out in chatrooms
with one another, they invade other places where previously only
people with some spelling and grammar ability held sway!
No, I'm not talking about these boards. I just need to rant, and
that's what this board is for. The most specific example, of late, is
the Yuri ML. Once it was a haven for mostly-intelligent people. Anime
with yuri and yuri undertones were reviewed and discussed
intelligently, like the adults the people on the list were supposed to
be.
And then it began.
Members who admitted they were fifteen and typed like teeny-boppers. A
member who demanded that people only talk about 100% canon yuri
couples, and that anything else was "besmirching the beauty of
friendship between women" or some crap like that. The term "baby d**e
[BAN]" was used at least twice a day.
Now it's gotten to the point where 90% of the messages are in all
lowercase letters, and none of these people seem to know that a y and
an o go in front of u, or an a and an e on either side of r. And I'm
not allowed to say a damn thing, because when I finally broke down
after a month of taking it and ranted on-list, I got warned by the
owner.
Why oh why must we defend peoples' right to be MORONS?!

11 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: I guess I should apologize on:
Jan 27th, 2002, 2:22am
on Jan 27th, 2002, 12:52am, Red_Silvers wrote :
It's the bitch board, guys. He's free to express his opinions as much
as we are.

Unless you insult Phoenix. Then the topic gets locked and you lose the
moderator priviliges on the other board that you founded.
Oops, I forgot, people hate me here. Nevamind.

10 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Phoenix's Real Nature on: Feb 17th,
2002, 6:17pm
Here is a log which shows Phoenix's true nature, in stating he would
keep a character on a muck purely out of spite, and that he intended
to make a very good friend of mine's life miserable, again purely out
of spite. So unless the board suddenly gets moderated again for the
purpose of deleting a thread that besmirches the "good nature" of the
board owner's boyfriend, read it, I doubt there will be many that are
surprised by hushicho's true nature.

I've removed the log link at the provider's request. But let it be
known... I'm not going to put up with this. I don't particularly care
that Phoenix attacks me, though it pisses me off that he's allowed to
get away with such blatantly unfair treatment because he bats his eyes
at the forum/channel's owner, but I let it lie, and made no more about
it.
But if Phoenix hassles my friends, I will hassle him.

9 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: Phoenix's Real Nature on: Feb
17th, 2002, 11:48pm
First of all, Phoenix, you are heterophobic not because you won't
"lick my boots", you are heterophobic because you are heterophobic, as
you proved by throwing a fit when my Trunks had a girlfriend and
wouldn't hook up with your Gohan, and as you proved again later by
throwing yet another fit when another Trunks wouldn't hook up with
your Gai Daigouji or whatever his name was.
Second, I was never banned from #CaptainN until tonight. I chose to
leave when Webster allowed someone whom, in action, has embodied all
those traits he has long criticized in Bob and George moderators.
Since he was well aware of your habit of overreacting, becoming too
sensitive, and making inappropriate decisions, all of which he's
admitted you do in private conversation, favoritism can be the only
reason that he would give you ops, and allow you to retain them after
misusing them.In the end, Phoenix, you can't hide what you are, and
that's hateful. One day, maybe everyone else will see that as well,
and the Captain N fandom will once more be a suitable place to be.
Until then, you have single-handedly tainted it for myself, and others
("Is hushicho there?" being a question asked more than once by others
before logging in, and logons only happening if the answer was "No"),
and gradually drive more and more people away with your behavior.

8 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: Phoenix's Real Nature on: Feb
21st, 2002, 7:12pm
Good for you for not disagreeing with him on anything for a few days.
Let's get one thing clear: I don't care. I really don't. I left this
forum after some bad blood, and after a few messages which were locked
and then deleted (from this supposedly unmoderated board), I left it.
I couldn't've cared less what Phoenix, you, Webster, and anyone else
did in this fandom. Completely indifferent.
The only reason I came back and stirred up hostilities is because
Phoenix was being purposefully cruel to a friend of mine, who, by the
way, is afflicted with panic attacks and clinical depression, for the
apparently heinous and unforgivable crime of role-playing a way
different than Phoenix cared for.
You can believe me, or you can not. I don't care what you think. To be
honest, I don't even care if you live or die. I don't know you, don't
care to, and you're not a part of my life. The people I care about are
my friends.
If Phoenix leaves my friends alone, he can stay in the channel and
f*ck cupcakes all the live-long day, and I won't care, it's not a part
of my life anymore and I'll just let it be in the past. Phoenix has so
far failed to carry through with his threats to make my friend's life
miserable, and so long as he does nothing, I will leave him, and this
fandom, alone. I would have forgotten it completely if you hadn't gone
ahead and posted this little "So there" message in what's basically an
attempt, from what I can see, to kiss up. I've seen it before, and it
bodes not well for the fandom, but again... don't care.
So let me break it down... Phoenix, you, and everyone else involve
leave me and mine alone, and I leave you and yours alone. Basically,
it's one of those common courtesy thing that most people seem to have
such difficulty with, though hopefully this time it will take, if for
the sake of avoiding wasting more time in the future.

7 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: Phoenix's Real Nature on: Feb
23rd, 2002, 8:45am
I do have two sides. The difference is that they're not so wildly
different so as to make me two-faced. I don't present an honest, sweet
side and then suddenly turn into uberbitch. ... I'm closer to being a
bitch all the time, really. Heh. But as I've said a number of times, I
try to be honest with my feelings. I don't hide behind a facade of
cupcakes and pink frills. When I step over the line, I apologize, or
if I wasn't the only one in the wrong, I talk it out or just let it
drop.
And another difference is the way I handle problems with other people.
I can become argumentative and sometimes downright mean. But I try
never to do anything simply out of spite. Anger is one thing, and
spite another.
I came back to the chat room and back to this board not for the sole
sake of trying to stir up a fight, or to make vindictive trouble, as
others try to paint it. ("Rann's trying to destroy #CaptainN!"
Whatever.) I came to confront Phoenix because he was being spiteful,
hateful, and angry to one of my friends. As I've said before, Phoenix
can badmouth me all he wants, and I won't care, but I'm not going to
sit idle while he turns his spite and cruelty towards my loved ones.
Phoenix attempts to deflect this in an earlier post by claiming he
only ever said he'd make IC life miserable for this person. Well isn't
he the sweet little thing? It's still keeping a character purely
because of dislike for someone and trying to make things difficult for
them, destroy their fun, purely because of something Phoenix didn't
personally like. Hardly the actions of someone who's sweet, kind, and
only would do something like banning someone or speaking badly of them
when FORCED.
Lalala, I know you're a well-respected member of the board and chat,
and I'd like to thank you for speaking up, even though I know you
weren't condemning any one person in this or particularly taking my
side. But I admire your courage in standing up and saying that yes,
Phoenix does have these problems, and for proving that it's not just
me that he's driven away. I hope Webster doesn't kill you off in NFans
because of it.

6 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: Anger Special! on: Mar 22nd, 2002,
10:49am
on Feb 26th, 2002, 11:47am, N-finity wrote :
Personally, as stated by myself in channel many a time (and by others
of their own opinions on this matter as well) I am much closer to the
side of the terrorists than that of the "average US citizen".

Then may you share their fate.

4 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / More fascism on: Mar 24th, 2002,
5:56pm
nfinity1989: You might want to consider that I don't have to keep you
unbanned, Rann.
Rann XXV: Ha. Your hypocrisy is rivaled only by your stupidity. Do as
you want... support terrorism in your own little way.
nfinity1989: You too. ^^

There you go. Direct admission that the supposedly unmoderated board
where you can say anything would be moderated for the purpose of
banning me because I said things Webster doesn't like. I take it back
that he's just as much of a fascist as the Bob and George
moderators... he's even more of one, and a hypocrite and an idiot
besides.

3 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: Stupid people SUCK! on: Mar 24th,
2002, 6:16pm
on Jan 26th, 2002, 10:12pm, N-finity wrote :
I played a few people on BnG. Some were VERY nice... some were
quite... annoying. All were fun to play. Regardless, though, in the
end if you disagreed with something that one of the higher-ups said...
you were ultimately banned... especially if you EXPLAINED why you
disagreed and had a point.

What irony.
Wait. No. Irony's not right. What's the right word? Ah yes. Hypocrisy.

2 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: More fascism on: Mar 25th, 2002,
7:05am
Your boyfriend's outright stated that he supports Osama bin Laden and
his terrorists, Phoenix. In my book, that makes him just as bad as
they are. His latest outburst seems to have been prompted by my
telling him that if he supports their cause, he should share their
fate. Apparently he felt the need to prove that he wants to support
them, he just doesn't want any of the flak that comes from it.

1 Miscellaneous / Bitch Board / Re: More fascism on: Mar 25th, 2002,
1:28pm
on Mar 25th, 2002, 12:20am, hushicho wrote :
"I am Rann Aridorn. I am arrogant, cruel, easily-annoyed, angry, and,
above all, I am bitchy. Remember always that human life is sacred...at
least, if it doesn't oppose me...and keep in mind that, no matter what
I say, don't ever contradict me, because I'll use it to haunt you to
the end of your days."

Similarly, one could say that the description of the Bitch Board
should be:
"This board has been set up to put all negativity about anything and
everything, as long as Webster and Phoenix don't like it either. If
you have a problem with this site, another site, a person, or anything
else, put it here, unless you have a problem with Phoenix or Webster,
in that case, your topics will be deleted and we'll make you out to be
some sort of monster. Thank you for your utter and blind compliance.
There are no moderators, unless there are."

Here are excerpts from a Yahoo! Messenger chat that I had with Mike on
Sunday, April 28, 2002 (I'm "rory_llewellyn", and Mike is
"druidgnome"; in Mike's quotes from his ICQ chat with Webster, Mike is
"Loki", and Webster is "N-finity M搂B"):

druidgnome (04:23:21 PM): heh, web deleted sherrif's post.
rory_llewellyn (04:23:38 PM): What was the post?
druidgnome (04:24:32 PM): calling you a genius.
rory_llewellyn (04:24:39 PM): Heh.
rory_llewellyn (04:24:47 PM): Do you have a copy of it?
druidgnome (04:25:45 PM): then I posted excerpts from my review of
your season 8 on Fanfiction.net
druidgnome (04:25:47 PM): nope, sadly.,
rory_llewellyn (04:25:12 PM): Is that deleted, too?
druidgnome (04:26:15 PM): yup.
rory_llewellyn (04:26:28 PM): What did Sheriff say?
druidgnome (04:27:35 PM): that you were geniuses, that your fanfics
ruled, etc.

rory_llewellyn (04:30:13 PM): Did Web give any reason for deleting the
post?
druidgnome (04:31:48 PM): he hates sheriff.
rory_llewellyn (04:31:18 PM): Why?
druidgnome (04:32:31 PM): because sheriff makes fun of his silliness.
rory_llewellyn (04:32:00 PM): Talk about a guy that can't take
insults.
druidgnome (04:33:22 PM): he... he's nuts, dude. he rants on and on
about people getting the f in his name wrong. i mean, come on.
rory_llewellyn (04:33:02 PM): Yeah, I read that in one post. Does he
do it often?
druidgnome (04:34:03 PM): yes. he's bitched to me about ti. he's
really... weird.
rory_llewellyn (04:34:07 PM): And, in chat, he called me the "former
leader" of the Captain N online community. I suppose that means that
Web is the current leader?
druidgnome (04:35:40 PM): apparently. he's really gotten crazy.
rory_llewellyn (04:35:59 PM): And he said that I had gotten crazy when
I wrote my fanfics. But I never did anything like what he's doing. I
can take insults. I find it funny when people make fun of me.
druidgnome (04:37:49 PM): exactly. it's a riot. he's just going crazy.
i think he must think if we make fun of ihm, we're making fun of him
being gay or something. get real.
rory_llewellyn (04:39:14 PM): I don't care about his sexual
orientation. But he talks about how many of his "comrades" are
lesbians, and that's his basis for saying that I portray them
incorrectly in my fanfics. Like there's one particular way that they
behave.
druidgnome (04:40:52 PM): mark, please understand, web speaks for all
lesbians. i know a lot of lesbians too, online anyway.. they don't
care if someone writes bad fanfic. they know guys find it sexy. they
druidgnome (04:40:58 PM): 're amused by it, but don't really care
otherwise.
rory_llewellyn (04:40:36 PM): Have you told this to him?
druidgnome (04:42:18 PM): nope.
rory_llewellyn (04:44:23 PM): Here's a reply from Web to
Nintendo_Maximus (the guy currently on probation) on April 5:

rory_llewellyn (04:46:08 PM): Furthermore, Maximus, you have no idea
what hell the creature known as Mark Moore put all too many of us
through. You didn't go through the months of hell trying to, as a
group about this size, convince him to stop turning the wonderful
continuation that he had created and so many had helped him on into
nothing more than a poorly written festival of fornication. You did
not experience the Night of Hell. You did not experience the
disbanding of the community you had come to call home and then nigh
two years spent trying to restore it.
druidgnome (04:47:34 PM): wtf is thre Night of Hell?
rory_llewellyn (04:46:51 PM): No idea.
druidgnome (04:47:43 PM): web just logged on, said Sheriff was banned.
I said "you're so touchy."
rory_llewellyn (04:47:07 PM): :)
rory_llewellyn (04:47:16 PM): Ask him what the "Night of Hell" is.
druidgnome (04:50:28 PM): Loki (4:49 PM) :
what is thre night of hell,btw
Loki (4:49 PM) :
?
N-finity M搂B (4:49 PM) :
It was a night, '97, I believe, where all the anger against Moore
manifested at its highest level. Complete revolution against Moore.
Loki (4:50 PM) :
Are we talking about France in the 1700s or are we talking about
Captain N fandom? ;P
rory_llewellyn (04:50:25 PM): Oh, that. I think he's referring to my
old #Captain_N chat on DALnet.
rory_llewellyn (04:50:34 PM): But that happened in late 1998.
rory_llewellyn (04:51:02 PM): And it was basically just people being
annoying in the channel, general chaos, etc.
druidgnome (04:52:02 PM): this is bad?
rory_llewellyn (04:51:22 PM): It was in 1999 that there was "complete
revolution" against me.
druidgnome (04:52:17 PM): ah
rory_llewellyn (04:51:39 PM): Late 1999. So, Web's off by 2 years.
druidgnome (04:52:38 PM): Loki (4:52 PM) :
you used to like pranks, chaos and troublemaking.
rory_llewellyn (04:52:06 PM): I hadn't even started the fan-made
seasons in 1997.
druidgnome (04:53:15 PM): sheesh
druidgnome (04:53:18 PM): what a nutjob.

druidgnome (04:54:16 PM): he says this is about as important as the
french revolution. something happened to him.
rory_llewellyn (04:53:44 PM): Paste it.
druidgnome (04:54:51 PM): N-finity M搂B (4:49 PM) :
It was a night, '97, I believe, where all the anger against Moore
manifested at its highest level. Complete revolution against Moore.
Loki (4:50 PM) :
Are we talking about France in the 1700s or are we talking about
Captain N fandom? ;P
N-finity M搂B (4:51 PM) :
N-fandom.
N-finity M搂B (4:51 PM) :
It was about that epic, though.
rory_llewellyn (04:54:16 PM): :P
druidgnome (04:55:49 PM): I seriously question the sanity of anyone
who puts "lesbian fanfic revolt" next to the epicness of the French
revolution, which was fought because of econimic injustice.
rory_llewellyn (04:55:46 PM): Heh.
rory_llewellyn (04:56:17 PM): Here's something that Nintendo_Maximus
posted on April 5:
rory_llewellyn (04:56:31 PM): N-finity, if you were jealous of the
fact that Mark was a bigger fan of the show than you are, why didn't
ya just say so?!
druidgnome (04:57:28 PM): rotfl

rory_llewellyn (05:05:10 PM): Maximus, April 21:
rory_llewellyn (05:05:29 PM): I'm not trying to say Web is jealous of
Mark. It's just that Mark says he doesn't defend CNN as if it's the
Holy Grail, but Webster sure seems to. Webster probably thinks that
Donkey Kong really is evil, that Mega Man is green and his name really
is one word, that Pit's name really is Kid Icarus, that Simon really
does look like a WW1 pilot, that Dr. Light's name really is Dr.
Wright/Right/whatever, that King Hippo is blue, that Cut Man really
does have an "s" in his name and really is green-and-yellow, that
there is a fourth Warp Zone in Super Mario Bros., that Donkey Kong
does have a volcano level, that you can pause an Nintendo game by
pressing Select (the only games where you can do that are Mega Man (1)
and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles In Time), that Mega Man's
sister is
rory_llewellyn (05:05:38 PM): named Mega Girl, that there is no such
robot as Protoman, that Pit really does have a love-at-first-sight
arrow, that Gamma did get toppled by Duke and Rush and Dr. Wily was
chased away by robobees at the end of Mega Man 3, and all the other
game-relation mistakes that Captain N made.
druidgnome (05:06:35 PM): lol
rory_llewellyn (05:08:03 PM): DragonPaladin, April 22:
rory_llewellyn (05:08:11 PM): ::walks over to kacy and smashes him
AGAIN with the rubber squeaky mallet::

ARE YOU AN IDIOT?! "Hmmmmm, what can I do...I know! I'll piss off the
mod and make him ban me!"

1) I'm doing this first 'cause it's the most important. Moore doesn't
"like" gay women. There's a large difference between lust and love,
Kacy. Moore=guy. guy+lusting after gay women=pervert!

Kacy, N-finity doesn't treat Captain N as the "Holy Grail," he treats
it as a kickass awsome show! Which, might I add, it IS. Thus it needs
defending. K?
druidgnome (05:09:20 PM): haha
rory_llewellyn (05:10:36 PM): 1 General / General Lounge / I'm sorry,
N-Finity... on: Apr 23rd, 2002, 2:16pm
Webster, I'm sorry I said you were just as bad as Mark. I just worry
what's worse - gay men or gay women. Mark seemed to defend the gay
women, and Webster didn't like it, but seemed to like the idea of gay
MEN. And the idea of gay people, no matter what sex, grosses me out.
But some people seem to enjoy it, so I've decided to just ket you go
on, and therefore not say any disperaging comments about how Webster
thinks Pit has a relationship with Mega Man. I'll even get rid of the
comment of mine that started my probation!

Homophobia is not stood for by the CN Forums. User banned.
druidgnome (05:11:48 PM): lol yeah. where was the homophobia?
rory_llewellyn (05:11:15 PM): Probably:
rory_llewellyn (05:11:24 PM): And the idea of gay people, no matter
what sex, grosses me out.
druidgnome (05:12:26 PM): yeah, gee. speaking his mind, maybe.
rory_llewellyn (05:17:41 PM): Have you noticed that Web uses a lot of
large words and "fancy" language?
druidgnome (05:18:51 PM): yup
rory_llewellyn (05:18:57 PM): His description for The Videoland
Webring, which I created:
rory_llewellyn (05:18:59 PM): This webring was created to facilitate
the directioning of fans to various Captain N and Zelda cartoon
websites as well as those of other video game cartoons.
druidgnome (05:20:35 PM): sheesh
rory_llewellyn (05:21:17 PM): His banner for the Forum reads: "MAKING
CONTACT AMONGST N-FANS EASY".
druidgnome (05:22:45 PM): he's obsessed about this capn n shit.
rory_llewellyn (05:22:37 PM): Here's what he (or, according to him,
"the hacker") did to the location where my site was located until last
August: http://members.tripod.com/~captain_n/
druidgnome (05:23:39 PM): lol

rory_llewellyn (05:27:34 PM): Do you want the e-mail that Web claims
that the hacker sent to him?
druidgnome (05:29:53 PM): sure.
druidgnome (05:34:49 PM): heh
rory_llewellyn (05:34:20 PM): And get this, my account was
ihave...@yahoo.com, not ihave...@hotmail.com.
druidgnome (05:35:32 PM): heh yup. it was prolly web.

rory_llewellyn (07:06:56 PM): 38 Video Game Cartoons / Captain N: The
Game Master / Re: For the N team deprived. on: Apr 2nd, 2002, 3:35am
:P
No, I like a lot of cool things.
Is Mandi cool?

Just remember:
Mark Moore + Mandi Paugh=Mandi Moore
There need be no greater evils.
druidgnome (07:08:11 PM): wgat a twit.

rory_llewellyn (07:19:11 PM): 70 General / General Lounge / An
Unfortunate Day on: Mar 10th, 2002, 11:33pm
Because of the actions of some users, both in channel and outside of
it, I have to lay down some things that would normally constitute as
"rules". I wish to avoid such a term to describe these words, though,
so let us consider them an Outline of Acceptable Behavior.

Outline of Acceptable Behaviour 1. Derogatory language, especially
that of a sexual nature, is highly frowned upon and considered a
bannable offense.
2. Do not purposefully anger or be angered by any user of #Captain_N
or the Captain N Forum without due reason.
3. One is looked upon much more highly if he or she uses proper
grammar and spelling. Consider this in your posts.
rory_llewellyn (07:19:14 PM): If anyone has a suggestion as something
to add to this Outline, or else a comment about it, please message me
regarding it. Thank you.
druidgnome (07:20:19 PM): he's a nut.
druidgnome (07:20:22 PM): and a control freak.

rory_llewellyn (07:26:41 PM): Check out his sig file on the Forum:
"For the Journey has Just But Begun".
druidgnome (07:36:03 PM): why?
rory_llewellyn (07:35:27 PM): has Just But Begun
druidgnome (07:36:33 PM): lol

That brings us up to the present time.

The Captain N Fandom Today

Written: Saturday, May 11, 2002, 12:00 PM - 2:07 PM, 3:03 PM - 4:34
PM; Sunday, May 12, 2002, 4:45 PM - 8:52 PM; Monday, May 13, 2002,
9:00 AM - 10:31 AM; Thursday, May 23, 2002, 1:05 AM - 1:16 AM

So, what is the state of the Captain N fandom today?

The Captain N Network is the dominant Captain N website. Due to being
listed in search engines and the links page at my site's old Tripod
location, CNN and Game World receive a lot of hits.

The Unofficial Captain N Home Page is still up, but I receive almost
no feedback on it.

Most of the original members of the Captain N online community seem to
have disappeared. Laurie Kelley's e-mail address is no longer active.
If someone knows Laurie's current e-mail address (if she has one),
please let me know it.

I really keep in touch with only Mike Rohm (of course), Mandi Paugh,
Matt Slater (sometimes), and Cynthia Chan.

Season 8 has yet to be completed. "Dazzle" still has only two
episodes. "The N64 Team" still has only one story.

All of the Captain N stories written by me are on FanFiction.Net. So
are a few Captain N fanfics written by other people. There is no
Captain N category on FanFiction.Net, but I'm trying to get one
created.

Webster Sterling Swenson is the self-proclaimed leader of the Captain
N online community.

Before I further describe the Captain N fandom, let me give you an
example of a community / movement changing. This example comes from
the Bible - specifically The Acts of the Apostles.

Jesus' immediate followers were based in Jerusalem. Keep in mind that,
at this point, there was no Christianity. Jesus' disciples were all
Jews, and they were regarded as a sect of Judaism that believed that
the Messiah had arrived.

Then Paul arrived. Saul was a Roman soldier that found and killed many
of Jesus' followers. He had never known Jesus personally.

One day, he was on his way to Damascus to hunt down followers there.
He had some kind of traumatic experience in the desert and fell off
his horse. He heard a voice, coming from no perceivable source,
asking, "Paul, Paul, why are you persecuting me?" Saul asked the voice
to identify itself. The voice replied, "I am Jesus, the Nazorene, and
you are persecuting me." Saul then got instructions to go to Damascus,
where he would learn what he must do next.

Saul's experience could have been anything - a desert mirage or a
guilty conscience, for example. But Saul believed it was a true
manifestation of Jesus. He changed his name to Paul.

After the experience, he found that he had been struck temporarily
blind. He went to Damascus, where his sight was restored by one of
Jesus' followers. He allowed himself to be baptized and joined their
community.

Over the years, Paul founded "Christian" communities abroad. He
effectively shoved God aside and, for the first time, advocated
worship of Jesus. He turned Jesus into a full-fledged god that was
able to compete with the other gods of the Middle East at the time.

In order to increase the membership, Paul said that faith in Jesus
alone, not the Law of Moses, lead to salvation.

Some of Jesus' followers from Jerusalem were sent to check on Paul's
activities. Paul was ordered to go to Jerusalem, where he would meet
with the leadership there. He met with James, "the Lord's brother".

Whether or not James was really Jesus' blood brother (and everything
suggests that he was), he clearly knew Jesus (or the figure
subsequently remembered as Jesus) personally, whereas Paul had only
his quasi-mystical experience in the desert and a disembodied voice.

When James spoke, he did so with first-hand authority - something that
Paul could not claim. No wonder the Apostles were disturbed by what
Paul was doing.

In the Gospels, Jesus told his followers to worship God alone. It
would have been blasphemous to him to advocate the worship of any
mortal figure, himself included.

Jesus also said that no part of the Law could be done away with until
he returns (even though he did get rid of the eating restrictions).

James was known as a "zealot for the Law". He was a strict observor.
James accused Paul of laxity in following the Law. Somewhat
improbably, James agreed to relax certain aspects of the Law (thus
making it easier for pagans to join) but remained adament about other
aspects.

Paul didn't even pretend that his Jesus was the same one that James
and the other Apostles had known. As Paul wrote in his second epistle
to the Corinthians, the people in Jerusalem were followers of "another
Jesus".

At that point, the future of "Christianity" stood at a crossroads. If
the majority of people had followed James instead of Paul, there would
be no Christianity today. There would have been only a particular sect
of Judaism that may or may not have emerged as dominant.

However, Pauline (or what is known as "normative") Christianity
emerged as dominant. James and the other followers in Jerusalem
subsequently became known as "the first Christians" and "the early
Church".

So, to the undoubted posthumous horror of James, a religion called
Christianity formed - a religion that couldn't be said to have
anything to do with its supposed founder.

I think that I can say with 99% certainty that, while Jesus was
telling parables to his followers, he never imagined that it would
lead to Carman singing lyrics such as "Don't step on my blue suede
Bible", "Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ!", and "Who's in
the house? (JC!)".

He never imagined evangelists trying to drive out demons "in the name
of Jeeeeeezus!"

Jesus walked from town to town and spoke publicly to those who wanted
to listen. So, he certainly never imagined (and would, certainly, be
appalled by) Jehovah's Witnesses walking door to door, giving people
unsolicited magazines.

At this point, you're probably wondering, "What the heck does that
have to do with Captain N"?

Nothing, and that's the point.

The Captain N fandom is the only fandom, that I know of, where the
majority of fanfics do not take place in the universe of the TV
series. The stories either start the story over (changing the
characters to their video game versions or changing the characters
altogether) or pick up the story from where the TV series left off
(but with the characters suddenly replaced with their video game
versions with no explanation). In this case, these stories can't be
considered Captain N fanfics, since they're not based in the universe
of the TV series or the comic books. Does anyone know of another
fandom where this is the case?

Another strong type of Captain N fanfic is the kind that does take
place in the universe of the TV series but then drastically changes
the situation, such as adding or removing characters - or both. My
continuation of the TV series is a big example of this. So is Cynthia
Chan's Season 4, which skips ahead a few years and has a new female
Captain N. In the most extreme case, "Captain N 64", Chris Blair
travels back in time to 1989, witnesses Kevin's murder, and becomes
Captain N instead of Kevin. The ancient prophecy is altered
accordingly to be about Blair.

In both the former so-called "rewrite" fanfics and the latter "new
Game Master" fanfics, the authors are, in fact, writing about "another
Captain N".

The biggest fanfic deviation from the TV series is Webster's "N-Fans"
comic. He takes only the very basic concept of "traveling into a video
game universe" from Captain N and then adds himself, his friends, and
his enemies into it. The N Team doesn't appear. "N-Fans" is about as
far from Captain N as you could get.

The newest episode of "N-Fans" appears on the main page of CNN. Before
the visitors get to explore any Captain N material, they witness the
continuing saga of Webster and his buddies in their own version of
Videoland.

On my Captain N site, the fan material is listed at the bottom of the
main page. The material relating to the TV series and comic books are
presented first.

Webster is pretty much the Paul of the Captain N fandom. He
effectively buried Captain N on another page, and his "N-Fans" comic
takes center stage on his website.

Webster even goes so far as to create desktop wallpaper based on his
series. It's like he believes that people will use it rather than
wallpaper based on an actual TV series or comic book.

In a typical nightly chat in Webster's #Captain_N chat channel, they
don't even talk about Captain N most of the night (if at all). There
might be a mention or two about it, but usually they talk about
"N-Fans", what video game MP3 they're listening to at the moment,
video games, flirting, or whatever.

Yes, Webster does offer Captain N content on his site, but most of it
(with the exceptions of the comic book scans, screen captures, and
videos) comes from my site.

"N-Fans" is the main attraction. There are spin-offs of "N-Fans".
There are even fanfics, fan comics, and fan art based on "N-Fans".

The point I'm trying to make with all this is that the Captain N TV
series and comic books seem to be not good enough for Webster and his
friends. They've created their own versions of the story, usually
starring themselves. These stories have little, if anything, in common
with the original Captain N.

Just as Paul hijacked Jesus, added his own teachings to it, turned
Jesus into a god, and created a new religion, Webster Sterling Swenson
has hijacked the Captain N fandom, turned Captain N into his own
personal god (he admited that he treats the show like it is God),
added his own stories to it, and has basically drowned out the
original show.

Captain N fans new to the Internet who find the site called The
Captain N Network will likely be very happy, but they'll soon become
very confused, not knowing what "N-Fans", "Tech Support", "The Mark
Hunters", or "Reality Force" are.

The people at Nintendo and DiC Entertainment created the TV series to
be lengthy advertisements for video games. They wanted children to
watch the series, want the games, and get their parents to buy them
for them.

Nintendo and DiC never thought that, twelve years later, a 17-year-old
kid would be registering a Captain N domain name, hacking into his
rival's Internet accounts, treating Captain N like it's some kind of
holy series, and creating comics loosely based on the show made out of
video game sprites.

Webster says I had "perverted" Captain N, but, at the same time, he's
talking about romantic pairings such as Mega Man / Kid Icarus (pardon
me, "Rock-kun and Pit-kun") and Lyle / Link.

The "Captain N fandom" is no longer about the Captain N TV series or
comic books - at least not mainly. The "Captain N fandom" is mainly
about "N-Fans", numerous sprite comics, rewrites, and other so-called
"fanfics". It's about the culture of Webster Sterling Swenson, Chris
Blair, Beth, and their friends. The TV series and comic books may have
been the inspiration, but they no longer have much significance.

The Future and What You Can Do

Written: Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 9:30 AM - 10:20 AM; Thursday, May 23,
2002, 1:18 AM - 1:26 AM

The future of the Captain N fandom looks pretty grim to me.

Here are my predictions for it:

Webster will continue to create "N-Fans" comics. It will continue to
be his main focus.

The Captain N TV series and comic books will continue to take a back
seat to sprite comics and other fanfics.

Webster and his buddies will continue to talk on and on about how they
hate my fanfics on the Forum.

Webster may continue to call up people he doesn't know to get a link
on their sites.

Webster will get more and more crazy, banning people from his chat
room and Forum over the littlest things.

Newcomers to the Captain N fandom will become confused about CNN,
become disgusted with Webster, and leave the fandom.

The online Captain N fandom will die.

If the Captain N fandom is to survive, it needs to reform and change
its focus. This is where you come in.

The Captain N Network needs to be taken down a few notches. I am not
suggesting hacking into the site and deleting it. Webster Sterling
Swenson has as much right to have his site up as anyone else has a
right to have a site up.

What I'm suggesting is cutting off support for CNN. It doesn't matter
if you're a huge Captain N fan, were one in the past, like it now,
liked it then, never liked it, or never even heard of it. Don't
support Webster and his site. Don't give him any feedback at all on
it. Don't contribute any information to it. Don't send him your fan
art or fanfics. A site owner without new content or feedback will
become discouraged and bored and will eventually take his site down.
At least, that's my theory. Webster's so obsessed, he might not care
if no one supports him.

Also, the attitudes of people in the Captain N fandom have to change.
Just because the fanfics are based on a "children's cartoon" doesn't
mean that they have to be written with "childhood innocence".

Please, people, be more accepting and open-minded about Captain N
fanfics - especially those with an NC-17 rating.

Conclusion

Written: Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 10:30 AM - 11:35 AM; Thursday, May 23,
2002, 1:29 AM - 2:12 AM, 9:00 PM - 9:04 PM

On Tuesday, October 29, 1996, at 7:49 AM, I took the first step in
creating the online Captain N fandom.

On Thursday, May 23, 2002, over 5 1/2 years later, that fandom is not
even a shell of what it once was. It's in the hands of an obsessive,
power-mad, (legal) adult who feels that it's his duty to "save Captain
N".

So, how did the Captain N fandom evolve (or perhaps de-evolve?) from a
bunch of kids watching TV on Saturday mornings to adults in their late
teens and early twenties writing fanfics and making online comics?

Well, Captain N had exactly the right (or perhaps wrong?) formula for
this to happen. It had some likable characters and other inaccurate,
unlikable characters that could be "fixed" or replaced by fans. Fans
hated the inaccuracies of the series but loved the general concept.

This TV series appealed to the video-gaming youth of America in 1989
and onward. These types of kids often spend hours playing video games,
are anime lovers, and think that it's cool to sprinkle their sentences
with Japanese words, such as "chan", "kun", "yaoi", "yuri", and
"baka".

I believe that there are three main types of N-Fans.

The first type of fan, of which I and Michael Lee Rohm are examples,
likes to have fun and write whatever types of stories he or she wants
to write. This type of fan doesn't care about maintaining "Captain N
purity" in fanfics.

The second type of fan, of which Webster Sterling Swenson and Beth are
examples, wants to maintain "purity" in fanfics as much as possible
but allows for extra violence and homosexual romances. No "smut"
allowed, however.

The third type of fan, of which Chris Blair and Charley Smart are
examples, wants Captain N fanfics to remain "true to the show". No
cursing, no homosexuality, no sex, no death, etc. Essentially, they
want kiddie Captain N fanfics.

Unfortunately, the Captain N fandom has been joined by Webster
Sterling Swenson, Chris Blair, and Beth, and writing daring NC-17
fanfics is frowned upon (or sometimes met with flames and
retaliation).

These three people are opposed by me, Michael Lee Rohm, and a few
others. Webster is slowly losing popularity as he deletes posts on his
Forum that express opinions in stark contrast to his own rigid
beliefs.

The Captain N fandom needs to change, and I can't do it alone, so I'm
asking for your help.

Here are some quotes that I believe summarize everything:

Mike Pinto; The Captain N / Zelda Message Board; Monday, October 4,
1999:

"We, the TRUE N-Fans, shall bring our leader, Kevin Keene back from
the depths of degradation and back on the road to GLORY!!!"

The Captain N Returners; Monday, February 7, 2000:

"But in the end, we will persevere what is right about Captain N. We
don't care what anyone else thinks about our attempts. It will be
done."

Christy Marx (series developer, head writer, and later story editor of
"Jem"); The Truly Outrageous! Jem Mailing List; Sunday, February 17,
2002:

"Fanfic isn't about getting respect. If you want respect, write
something original.

Fanfic is about fun. It's about playing, about exploration, about
saying 'what if?' It's about doing any damn thing you want with the
characters. Who cares? It's fanfic. Have fun. Don't take it so blasted
seriously. Make everybody gay. Make everybody straight. Make everybody
an alien mutant. It's FANFIC."

"Wiecek" (a.k.a. "monkee"); The EnterpriseAndBeyond Mailing List;
Sunday, March 17, 2002:

"I've been involved in on-line Trek fandom for 4 1/2 years now, and
I've never heard of anything like this happening. This guy sounds like
a real nutcase!"

Michael Lee Rohm; Sunday, April 28, 2002, 04:55:49 PM:

"I seriously question the sanity of anyone who puts 'lesbian fanfic
revolt' next to the epicness of the French revolution, which was
fought because of econimic injustice."

Webster Sterling Swenson; The Captain N Forum; Friday, January 14,
2002:

"How can one be supportive of two things so intertwined when one is so
foul?"

As I said, this essay is a constant work-in-progress for as long as
the Captain N fandom exists. So, I'm concluding (for now) with two
statements of my own:

My site, The Unofficial Captain N Home Page, will always put the TV
series and comic books first and fanfics last.

That is, after all, how the Captain N fandom should be.

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