You stupid ass N64 lovers...
Tristan Kirkham
Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),
there is little third-party support when compared to Saturn or
PlayStation (these guys make the games), and there are not enough
quality games. "Qaulity over quantity" is a great marketing ploy. Saturn
and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
(don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
rewriatablity thing won't be used as much as you think. NINTENDO 64
SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED, GET
ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Mark A Jensen
> Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
> Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
> good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
> carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
> textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),
I agree, there are some limitations to the cart format, however, many of
the games that have come out for the N64 are incredible nonetheless. I
suppose if you're out to look for minor discrepancies such as you
mentioned, then you may be disappointed. I've played and enjoyed
immensely N64 games such as Turok and Mario 64. Did I even notice the
repeating textures, fewer sound effects/tracks, smaller gameplay areas
(are you sure about this one? Mario and Turok have large explorable
areas)? No, I was too busy enjoying the excellent gameplay, control,
catchy tunes, and graphics....features that made these games some of the
best ever.
> there is little third-party support when compared to Saturn or
> PlayStation (these guys make the games), and there are not enough
> quality games. "Qaulity over quantity" is a great marketing ploy.
I don't know where you're coming from with this statement, as the N64 has
a lot of third party support. Granted, a lot of third parties jumped on
the bandwagon a little late (hence the lack of games right now), they are
there, with games to follow soon (as opposed to Saturn with third parties
dropping like flies).
Saturn
> and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
> (don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
> Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
> memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
> rewriatablity thing won't be used as much as you think. NINTENDO 64
> SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED, GET
> ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!
You're painting a picture as if the N64 is a failure.... I'm not going to
go into the numbers such as fastest selling system ever, as I'm sure you
are all sick of hearing that. The fact is that the N64 is here to stay
for another five years or so whether you like it or not. Nintendo (the
greatest developers of home video games) is not going to let this next
generation war go quietly to Sony. There are a lot of great games coming
out for the Playstation, I will not dispute that. I own one myself (along
with a Saturn) and am eagerly looking forward to the games just as much as
the next person. But, those systems will not have many of the great games
coming out for the N64. Zelda, F-Zero, Quest, Castlevania 3-D, Goldeneye,
B-K, etc. The 64DD has great potential. If you consider how great N64
cartridge games look now, imagine if they had 8 times the memory. The
writeability factor has been written off by 64DD detractors. "PC's have
had it for years" sound familiar? They said the same thing about analog
control, and look where Nintendo has taken that. Nintendo and Miyamoto
are EMPHASIZING writability as a major factor of the 64DD, it will be
used, believe me. Also, Yamauchi will be retiring soon and it is his last
wish that he sees the 64DD become a major success. Wouldn't want to let
the old guy down now would we.... The bottom line, just shut up and enjoy
whatever system you have and quit whining about how a competing system
sucks, and so forth. I think I am not the only one who is completely sick
of this bullshit.
Mark
Joe Ottoson
In article <19970805035...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,> Which neither Playstation or Saturn conform to.
Saturn certainly does (Sega recently instituted their own "5 star
policy"). I'd even go so far to say Sega alone manages to produce more
high quality games than Nintendo will in the next 2 years ;-) Pointless
harping aside, there's not a system in creation that doesn't suffer from
bad games. The PSx does, the Saturn does, and the N64 does. You can't
avoid them, and it's silly to take a company's promise that "no more bad
games will appear for our system" at face value.
> CD's replace poor animation, long loading waits, little memory, and choppy
> graphics with live cinema to try and compensate. being a PSX owner I know.
>
This makes no sense. Choppy graphics and bad animation? (MKT was smoother
on the PSx than the N64 thanks to the increased storage) Unless you
possess some form of visiual defect, the games (especially the polygon
ones) don't suffer from either problem.
(Or is Toshinden 2 the only PSx game you've played? That would explain a
lot.. Poor animation, terrrible live action FMV intro, not especially long
loading times)
Reviewer for Gamers Island
Flyers fan
Tristan Kirkham wrote:
>
> Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
> Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
> good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
> carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
> textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),
> PlayStation (these guys make the games), and there are not enough
> and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
> (don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
> Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
> memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
> rewriatablity thing won't be used as much as you think. NINTENDO 64
> SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED, GET
> ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Let the truth be known!! Preach on!!!!
KKGlaze
It's pesimist people like you that try to ruin anything that could be a
possible success, ruining your Playstation. I feel that the N64 is
supirior to any thus far. Having LARGE play environments, realistic and
varied sound tracks, with actual soundtracks by orchestras(ie; Shadows of
the Empire). I bet you didn't know the N64 has the processing power of an
arcade game even more powerful. I agree though some games have their
faults, this doesn't make the system suck.
I don't know about you, but I like to turn on the power switch and
immediately start playing than have to wait for it to load from the disk.
The KK Stay Frosty! Email:KKG...@aol.com
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Gameover 9
kkg...@aol.com (KKGlaze) wrote:
<<It's pesimist people like you that try to ruin anything that could be a
possible success, ruining your Playstation. I feel that the N64 is
supirior to any thus far. Having LARGE play environments, realistic and
varied sound tracks, with actual soundtracks by orchestras(ie; Shadows of
the Empire). I bet you didn't know the N64 has the processing power of an
arcade game even more powerful. I agree though some games have their
faults, this doesn't make the system suck. >>
Aggreed. None of the people that say the N64 sucks have actually played it
or own one. They're afraid that it is superior to there little 32 bit
system and they can't stand to be behind the cutting edge. I've seen
several posts saying that the N64 has poor sound, less memory, fewer
games, and smaller playing environments. The only one that's correct is
the fewer games. N64 doesn't have as many games as Sony, but then again
Sony had a year head start. Besides, 90% of the games that N64 does have
are of the highest quality in sound, graphics, gameplay, etc. while all of
the PSX games I have and have seen have either good sound or good
graphics, never both, and smaller gaming areas.
If PSX is so popular, why is it that last Christmas our local mall
couldn't get enough N64's and Playstations were so plentiful? I remember
one day I walked into the mall early (around 10:00) to do some shopping.
Sears had about 16 N64's stacked on display, 10 or so Playstations, and
about 10 Saturns. When I finally started to leave (this was around 1:30
PM) I walked back through Sears. They had sold almost every one of those
N64's. I think they had like 3 still on display from the original 20. The
Playstation stack had barely been touched, same with the Saturns. They
were bringing in some boxes which I assume were N64 shipments because they
sat them next to the stack to open them and Sony and Sega were hardly
being fought over. I saw the same thing while in JC Penny's. People
lining up with Nintendos but very few Playstations were leaving the
check-out counter.
Face the facts, N64 has been more popular from the start and you feel
inferior. I have a Playstation, I have since last year, but I got with the
times. now it's your turn. Later.
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> > Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
> > Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
> > good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
> > carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
> > textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),
>
> the games that have come out for the N64 are incredible nonetheless. I
> suppose if you're out to look for minor discrepancies such as you
> mentioned, then you may be disappointed. I've played and enjoyed
> immensely N64 games such as Turok and Mario 64. Did I even notice the
> repeating textures, fewer sound effects/tracks, smaller gameplay areas
> (are you sure about this one? Mario and Turok have large explorable
> areas)? No, I was too busy enjoying the excellent gameplay, control,
> catchy tunes, and graphics....features that made these games some of the
> best ever.
Same here. The Nintendo 64, while my least favoriate of the Next Gen
systems, still has quality titles that are worth getting. Mario 64 is an
excellent Title, as is Star Fox 64. While I do see a problem with the
re-occuring 1st person Doom style games (Doom, Turok, Hexen, Goldeneye and
Duke Nuke'em), as in there being too many, Nintendo has managed to come out
with some stellar titles just like they always have. I don't know about
anyone else, but I'm awaiting Zelda 64 with alot of anticipation. I have
found Nintendo to also be ignoring several audiences, such as the RPG
audience, but I'm sure they will do something to fix that in the future.
Nintendo didn't get where they are today by being big dumb idiots.
However, if you feel like nitpicking about every mistake you find in a game
not on the Playstation, then you are no better than the Sega and Nintendo
fanatics that claim that all their games rule, and all of ours suck. (I
find the Sega advocates proclaiming that Final Fantasy VII sucks very
amusing) You bought your Playstation for a reason, they bought their
Nintendo 64's for a reason. No matter what happens on this newsgroup,
tomorrow you're gonna play your PSX and they are gonna play their N64s, and
everyone will be happy. I definately think Nintendo has made plenty of
mistakes with the N64, but that doesn't deny their ability to release good
games.
> > there is little third-party support when compared to Saturn or
> > PlayStation (these guys make the games), and there are not enough
> > quality games. "Qaulity over quantity" is a great marketing ploy.
>
> I don't know where you're coming from with this statement, as the N64 has
> a lot of third party support. Granted, a lot of third parties jumped on
> the bandwagon a little late (hence the lack of games right now), they are
> there, with games to follow soon (as opposed to Saturn with third parties
> dropping like flies).
Well, Sega is more or less running theirs off, for some oddball reason.
(Why anyone would stab Working Designs in the back is beyond me) Nintendo
does have 3rd Party support, but the N64 is rather difficult to program
for, which is one of the reasons why SquareSoft left Nintendo for Sony.
They said they could produce 15 games for the PSX in the same amount of
time that it would take to make 1 for the N64. Looks like they were right.
FF7, FFT, SaGa, Bushido Blade, Parasite Eve, Tobal No 1, Tobal 2, and if
you notice these are all strong titles. Nintendo does have alot of 3rd
Party support, but many of them are still trying to figure the N64 out, so
they can use its hardware to its fullest potential. The PSX is very easy
to program for, the N64 is not. This might be another "boo boo" out of
Nintendo, but I think they are doing everything they can to please their
owners.
> Saturn
> > and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
> > (don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
> > Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
> > memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
> > rewriatablity thing won't be used as much as you think. NINTENDO 64
> > SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED,
GET
> > ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!
>
History is not on Nintendo's side with the 64DD...any system "add on" has
failed. Granted, we're talking Sega here, and they made 2 big mistakes.
First of all, the Sega CD was a failure, mostly because 90% of the games
they released for it were pathetic titles that just had alot of full motion
video in them. I can only think of about that are even worth playing for
the Sega CD. Then we have the 32X, which in itself was a wonderful idea,
and actually was pretty decent, but Sega more or less lied and stabbed
everyone in the back with that one. 4 months after releasing the 32X, Sega
started flashing the Saturn around and more or less said "32X? What's
that?" It is this type of behavior that you see Sega's sales slipping this
very day. People have been stabbed by Sega before, they aren't gonna hand
them another knife. If Nintendo *sticks by the 64DD* and brings out titles
that people are gonna want, then their fans will eat it up, and it will
sell. However, if they take the path like Sega has taken, then they are
gonna lose alot of their audience to Sony as well. What do I think about
the 64DD? Honestly, I think if Nintendo wanted expanded memory they should
have gone CD. However, I might get one...depending on the titles they make
available for it. Mario RPG 2 and Earthbound 64 are hardly titles that are
going to draw me to shell out 150 bucks for this thing though. Overall, I
think calling Nintendo 64 lovers "stupid asses" is down right insulting.
The last time I checked, each of us had the same opportunity to choose
whatever system we wanted when made available. Nintendo fans bought N64s,
Sega fans bought Saturns and Sony fans bought PSXs...then people like me
bought all 3 ;)... I love each of the systems for what they have to offer.
I know not everyone has had the opp. that I had to get all the systems
super cheap like I did, but I think everyone should *repsect* everyone's
choices that they made. Like I said before, reguardless of what is said
here, everyone is gonna go tomorrow and play their respective systems, and
have fun, right? I agree 100% with Mark. Sit down, shut up, play your
systems and leave everyone else alone.
Enygma
Sean Daugherty
On or about 5 Aug 1997 03:52:22 GMT, the accused, game...@aol.com (Gameover
9), was spotted saying:
>Here we go again. As I said before, I have both the Playstation and the
>N64 and the N64 is far superior to the PSX. Do you have both? I severely
>doubt it. I know for a fact that the N64 has MORE sound effects and music
>tracks and LARGER gameplay areas than any of the Playstation games I have
>(over 15). Your oppinion is based on the fact that you're ignorant about
>the N64.
It's also possibly due to the fact that he doesn't like the N64. I have both,
and while I get more gameplay out of the PSX, I aknowlegde the fact the N64
will undoubtedly offer up some great games. Honestly, I don't give a damn
about sound effects: It's a nice wrinkle, but not nearly as important to the
game.
>Nintendo rarely needs any third-party support. To this day the only game
>I've played on N64 that could EVER be considered poor quality is "War
>Gods" and it's the same on any system. Nintendo has the highest quality
>gaming I've seen on any system.
This is laughable. No system can survive without third party support, not even
Nintendo. If every game Nintendo produced was excellent, but they only came
out with one every three months, they would die out. It's simple market logic.
And quality is subjective: I've been relatively unimpressed by over half of
the N64's output so far.
>CD's replace poor animation, long loading waits, little memory, and choppy
>graphics with live cinema to try and compensate. being a PSX owner I know.
I have 20 PSX games, and only one of them (Extreme Pinball) has annoying
loading times. Memory is practically irrelevant: It's what you can do with
what you have. And if your graphics are choppy, the system is probably faulty.
><< NINTENDO 64
>SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED, GET
>ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!>>
>
>All correct save the first comment.
Hey! There was nothing wrong with the Virtual Boy! Sure, it fizzled quickly,
but Mario Clash was a lot of fun! Of course, making your flagship title a
tennis game is always a risky prospect...
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AdamanFive
>Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
>Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
>good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
>carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
>textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),
>PlayStation (these guys make the games), and there are not enough
>and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
>(don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
>Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
>memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
>SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED, GET
>ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Excuse me, son. All of your valid arguments are hardware based. Haven't
you gotten over this yet? The Nintendo 64 _does_ use carts. We all know
that. The developers behind the N64 games know this as well, and yet
there are games like Turok and Mario 64 that are setting new landmarks in
3D gameplay. Why? Because the Nintendo 64 is very powerful, and
adaptable, and advanced, and can deliver graphical experiences that
enhance gameplay like no other system can. You can say that carts are
limited until the cows come home, but you cannot deny that the _fact_ that
the games are amazing. Tell me that the Nintendo 64 sucked the first time
you stepped into the world of Mario 64. You cannot. I will admit that
there is a limited amount of games available, and that owners of the
system are given very few choices. A few of the games are sheer crap.
However, the majority of the games are great, and I do not see them as
limited at all.
Look at it this way. The N64 is the system of bests: the N64 licensed
controller- obviously the best method of 3D control ever devised; Mario
64- the best 3D platform game of all time, possibly the best game of all
time; Waverace 64- undoubtedly the most engaging racer available at home
or in the arcades; Turok: Dinosaur Hunter- the best full 3D single-player
corridor shooting game available at home or in the arcades; Starfox 64-
the best and most cinematic 3D "rails" and "all-range" shooter ever
created (complete with Rumble Pak); and ISS 64- the end-all best soccer
game on any system.
Now, if only there were more 3rd party developers out there who see what
can be done with the hardware and want to make revolutionary gameplay...
Oh, wait. If I'm not mistaken, these 3rd parties recently signed on
(check these against list at N64HQ.com, the most comprehensive and
credible N64 information site on the web): EA, Namco, Singletrac, Eidos,
ASCII, Bandai, Capcom, ION Storm, Kemco, Enix, Maxis, and more. They join
a legion of amazing developers that already includes Konami and Rare, to
name a few. (These are the guys that are making, and have made, great
games)
Let me touch on Japan, because many a N64 hater will bring up the
situation that goes on in Japan to defend their needless bashing. Yes,
there is a serious lack of RPGs. Yes, the fighting genre is weaker than I
ever could've imagined possible on the N64. However, Nintendo Co. Ltd. is
not just going to sit there and watch their system die. I'd expect some
drastic changes, starting with more RPGs coming out just as soon as they
can ready the DD64 hardware. However, it may be too late. The genres of
RPG and fighting are vital in Japan, and the N64 just can't seem to
deliver quality software in either of these areas. We'll see what happens
in the following months regard the system's overseas life, believe me.
However, in the U.S. as of right now, the choices are also few and the
amazing games that we have played now sit on our shelves as we patiently
wait for more great software. No game in existence is immune to becoming
boring, not even the greatest games of all time. There is hope, though.
Goldeneye is weeks away. Tetrisphere should be here within a week. ISS
64 as well. If you can't wait, play your Playstation and Saturn and have
fun. But don't bash the N64. It is a system that has, and will continue,
to deliver revolutionary and remarkable gameplay. Leave it at that, and
please, don't ever tell me that the N64 has been a failure. It has given
me what I paid for. Hours and hours of deep, fun, and intense gameplay.
While the choices were limited a few months ago, I am confident that the
"best" list of games that appear on the N64 will continue to grow. Buy
the good games, enjoy them, and try to tell yourself that it all sucks.
You just can't do it.
Adam Potratz
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LMSpear2
hey don't diss the Genesis... it was the #1 16 bit system in the U.S., and
took away HALF of Nintendo's marketshare. Before the Genesis, Nintendo of
America controlled 90% of the videogame business in the U.S. After the
Genesis, it was down to around 50%. Genesis ruled in the amount of games,
sports games, and games made by Sega. To this day i say Sega is a better
game developer than Nintendo. Sure, Nintendo releases a few very great
games... 2 or 3 a year... but Sega pounds out title after title. From RPGS
to Arcade conversions, to Sega Sports, etc. It's too bad that with the
Saturn, Sega has returned to the "Master System" land... :-) although i
love Phantasy Star, Rocky, and other games for the SMS.
Lou
Mike Dodd
Gameover 9 <game...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970806051...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> <<OK I have both systems and also a Saturn, but thats another problem. I
> think the PSX is better in the light of the amount of games for it, also
> if
> there is only one bad game for the N64 then maybe CruisinUSA has passes
> you
> by.>>
>
Gameover 9 says...
> Actually my brother does have that game. I don't think it's a great game
> either. I do, however, believe it falls into at least the "okay"
> department. The only downside to Cruisin' is the limited amount of
> gameplay. You drive, you finish, you drive some-more. If it had a
> demolition mode, maybe some door-mounted nuclear missles, now THAT would
> be cool.
Dont you think that simply because of that same reason it is a bad game, I
mean its Pole Position on the Atari 2600 with very nice graphics. After
Nintendo said that they would bring out new and origional games that you
wouldnt be able to play on any other system it seems a little bit of a
let-down. I have just bought V-Rally on the Playstation and was amazed,
the game looks as though it belongs on a much more powerful system, Like an
N64 for instance...
Shekhar Singh
Flyers fan (capc...@erols.com) writes:
> Tristan Kirkham wrote:
>>
>> Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
>> Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
>> good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
>> carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
>> textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),
>> there is little third-party support when compared to Saturn or
>> PlayStation (these guys make the games), and there are not enough
>> quality games. "Qaulity over quantity" is a great marketing ploy. Saturn
>> and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
>> (don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
>> Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
>> memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
>> rewriatablity thing won't be used as much as you think. NINTENDO 64
>> SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED, GET
>> ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!
>
> Let the truth be known!! Preach on!!!!
>
Get the hell outta Nintendo newsgroup & never come back you little PSX
loving faggots!
N64 Rules & will continue to do so...
Chris Clark
If you enjoy something and someone INTRUDES on your space and runs off
at the mouth against it, what would you do? Go away all of you who are
nervous that your PSX might fall out of favor (why else would you attack
a system that you claim poses no threat? It's like someone who drives a
Mazda Miata visiting a BMW Z3 newsgroup saying that the BMW has nothing
on a Miata.)
NintendoCow
In article <33E69E...@erols.com>, capc...@erols.com wrote:
>Tristan Kirkham wrote:
>>
>> Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
>> Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
>> good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
>> carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
>> textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),
>> there is little third-party support when compared to Saturn or
>> PlayStation (these guys make the games), and there are not enough
>> quality games. "Qaulity over quantity" is a great marketing ploy. Saturn
>> and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
>> (don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
>> Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
>> memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
>> rewriatablity thing won't be used as much as you think. NINTENDO 64
>> SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED, GET
>> ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!
>
>Let the truth be known!! Preach on!!!!
These mentally sick idiots ...
Now, its Darien Allen, another sick idiot's turn ...
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NintendoCow
Steve Purdy
Her's the run down on the situation as i see it:
If you can't stand having a lame ass sytem, don't make a feeble attempt to
bash our system, and buy the damn thing! The Nintendo always has, and will
ahve very cool and comfortable controllers, the game themselves have
(almost) always made me happy, and thier company tech-support is SUPER!
The PSX is also a good system, but I find the movement in most of the games
sluggish.......booooring.
Don't diss our systems if you can't stand having a PIECE OF SHIT system.
But the N64 and try it out.....
--Steve--
Nicholas Bouldin
Enygma wrote:
Why dont you leave everyone else alone with youre bullshit?
Necronomicon...
Arlene Usui
>I agree, there are some limitations to the cart format, however, many of
>the games that have come out for the N64 are incredible nonetheless. I
many?
M64, Wave race, Goldeneye, Starfox 64, Mario kart.?
you call that many sure thier good but the play station has games that
have the same graphics and are just as enjoy able as the above except they have more
>suppose if you're out to look for minor discrepancies such as you
>mentioned, then you may be disappointed. I've played and enjoyed
>immensely N64 games such as Turok and Mario 64. Did I even notice the
>repeating textures, fewer sound effects/tracks, smaller gameplay areas
>(are you sure about this one? Mario and Turok have large explorable
>areas)? No, I was too busy enjoying the excellent gameplay, control,
>catchy tunes, and graphics....features that made these games some of the
>best ever.
best ever is strong carsh was just as much fun (and it wasn't blured)
>I don't know where you're coming from with this statement, as the N64 has
>a lot of third party support. Granted, a lot of third parties jumped on
wow sonyand sega has more though plus they have the best ones
AM1, AM2, AM3, Psy, EA, Capcom,
>>> memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
>> rewriatablity thing won't be used as much as you think.
The modem won't be out soon a 6-12 months away
so buy then when it comes out 1 year and when you get the modem the new systems will be out
so when people look at the PSX2 or Dural and then the 64DD theyy'll probally go with PSX2 or DURAL
but he numbers are going down not to much people are buying N64's now
>coming out for the N64. Zelda, F-Zero, Quest, Castlevania 3-D, Goldeneye,
>B-K, etc. The 64DD has great potential. If you consider how great N64
not these aren't comng out any time soon
except goldeneye
Smithee
Nicholas Bouldin wrote:
>
<<Very long debate about N64 and PSX deleted for brevities sake>>
>
> Why dont you leave everyone else alone with youre bullshit?
>
> Necronomicon...
Wow! What a great reply! 5 paragraphs full of points and counterpoints
and all you come back with is a one sentence waste of time! You added
absolutely nothing to this thread. If you feel so insecure about your
N64, stick to the Nintendo group and ignore these kinds of debates.
Keep up the good work at making all N64 owners look like 10 year old
childern.
pepo
Why don't the people in the playstation newsgroup ever get into these
inane arguments about the superiority of one system over the other? I
guess that they have other things to focus on like all the
(nevertheless) cheesy games that they have available. Just a thought...
Nicholas Bouldin
Smithee wrote:
> Nicholas Bouldin wrote:
> >
> <<Very long debate about N64 and PSX deleted for brevities sake>>
>
> >
> > Why dont you leave everyone else alone with youre bullshit?
> >
> > Necronomicon...
>
> Wow! What a great reply! 5 paragraphs full of points and
> counterpoints
> and all you come back with is a one sentence waste of time! You added
>
> absolutely nothing to this thread. If you feel so insecure about your
>
> N64, stick to the Nintendo group and ignore these kinds of debates.
>
> Keep up the good work at making all N64 owners look like 10 year old
> childern.
It wasnt a reply you Dumbass, it was more of a statement...Cant
people on the net make statements? And before you call me a N64 troll
which im not. I have all three system, i dont defend just one like
yourself...For you to even comment on what i typed in is a waste of your
own time...
PS. Before you put youre head up youre ass. Learn the difference between
a Reply and Statement ....
Lary R.
Look PEPO, there really should be no argument about any system all of
the top three systems have excellent qualities and fun games (cheesy
ones too), your statement proves that most PSX owners are at the age
where this is not important but sharing useful information about the PSX
becomes a priority.
Pennie Morejohn
Here is 6 reasons why N64 is better than Playstation and Satern.
1 CD'S ARE WAY TO SLOW
2 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION ONLY 32 BITS AND NINTENDO64 HAS TWICE AS MUCH, IF
YOU DID NOT KNOW.
3 PLAYSTATIONS CONTROL IS ALL MESSED UP.
4 SATERN IS DOING THE WORST IN BISS.
5 SATERN ONLY HAS TWO CONTROL SOCKETS.
6 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION DOES NOT HAVE VERY GOOD GAMES.
Charles Doane
Nicholas Bouldin wrote:
>
> Smithee wrote:
>
> > Nicholas Bouldin wrote:
> > >
> > <<Very long debate about N64 and PSX deleted for brevities sake>>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Necronomicon...
> >
> > counterpoints
> > and all you come back with is a one sentence waste of time! You added
> >
> > absolutely nothing to this thread. If you feel so insecure about your
> >
> > N64, stick to the Nintendo group and ignore these kinds of debates.
> >
> > Keep up the good work at making all N64 owners look like 10 year old
> > childern.
>
> It wasnt a reply you Dumbass, it was more of a statement...Cant
> people on the net make statements? And before you call me a N64 troll
> which im not. I have all three system, i dont defend just one like
> yourself...For you to even comment on what i typed in is a waste of your
> own time...
>
> PS. Before you put youre head up youre ass. Learn the difference between
> a Reply and Statement ....
You ARE a troll. Trolls make statements, just like you. You aren't interested in any
discussion, just making statements. I just spent the last hour checking your posts
out at http://www.dejanews.com. You troll in alt.horror quite a bit, you don't like
Sandra Bullocks' acting, and about the ONLY way you EVER post in RGV Nintendo is by
crossposting! You called Saturn 'crappy', you stated that 'Nintendo can't help it if
you're on welfare', and you never, ever praise a Sony game. I believe your
profanity, your anti-Sony posts on the Sony newsgroup (and ONLY the Sony newsgroup,
not crossposts), makes you eligible for that good ol' TROLL label.
You CONSISTENTLY quote ENTIRE POSTS to add a ONE-LINE 'ANTI-Sony' comment. TROLL!
You defend the N64 when RGV Nintendo is NOT being posted to. TROLL!
You laugh about upside-down psx's in a post that's repeated 5 times! TROLL!
Why don't you just open up a little toll bridge and hope a billy goat doesn't knock
you off it, eh troll? You don't add anything intelligent, your system-bashing
one-liners are childish and you act like a brat.
It's not just me saying you're a troll. The proof is at dejanews, and man is it
incriminating. Go look!! http://www.dejanews.com. Do a search for Nicholas Bouldin,
his e-mail address will get you over 100 hits, but the name only nets 36, about 2/3
of which are actually him.
One last thing. Calling sombody a 'dumbass' in one sentence and then proclaiming
innocence from 'trolling' in the next is NOT very convincing, troll.
--
eppur si muove... 'and yet it does move'... Galileo,
after recanting his assertion of the Earth's motion.
Gameover 9
>> Here is 6 reasons why N64 is better than Playstation and >>Satern.
>>1 CD'S ARE WAY TO SLOW
Not all of them, some of them actually start faster than some N64 games I
have.
>>2 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION ONLY 32 BITS AND >>NINTENDO64 HAS TWICE AS
MUCH, IF
>>YOU DID NOT KNOW.
Do you even know what that means in relevance to gameplay?
>>3 PLAYSTATIONS CONTROL IS ALL MESSED UP.
Would you be a little more specific?
>>4 SATERN IS DOING THE WORST IN BISS.
No. Saturn is doing the worst in business IN COMPARISON TO Nintendo and
Sony, it's not quite dead yet however.
>>5 SATERN ONLY HAS TWO CONTROL SOCKETS.
As does Playstation. Does that matter to people who only play one or
two-player games? No.
>>6 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION DOES NOT HAVE VERY >>GOOD GAMES.>>
This is laughable. You must've never played Twisted Metal 2 for
Playstation or NiGHTS for Saturn. Both excellent games. BTW, it should be
"SATURN AND PLAYSTATION DO NOT...." instead of "...DOES NOT..."
The N64 is my favorite system as well. But I'm afraid only the first two
reasons here hold water. The others are trivial.
OS2man
>Gameover 9 <game...@aol.com> wrote in article
><19970805035...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>> <<Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
>> Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
>> good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
>> carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
>> textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),>>
defend our system? are you for real we have the superiour machine
regardless of the way you look at it .
I am a computer systems engineer. I know hardware you are either a
pimply clueless 15 year old or your just clueless.
This machine runs @ 3 times the speed of your "brain dead" Play
Station. It has a SGI chip for dedicated graphics and who make better
graphics chips than SGI?
The carts are better than cd in many ways primarily being the speed.
Has anyone ever seen Loading , Please Wait:" on an N64?
Wake up and bye the best
>> and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
>> (don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
>> Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
>> memory to put stuff in.>>
yes badly drawn images? Seen Tomb Raide with a Matrox or any
Graphics card on the PC looks better than it ever could on the
playstation! But wait until early 98 and play it as it was ment to be
played. On a N64!
Damien
Darien Allen
>
> It wasnt a reply you Dumbass, it was more of a statement...Cant
>people on the net make statements? And before you call me a N64 troll
>which im not. I have all three system, i dont defend just one like
>yourself...For you to even comment on what i typed in is a waste of your
>own time...
>
Completely missing the point of the previous poster...that being you
quoted a huge post just to make a one line reply. Why not just post
the main portion that you wish to respond or comment on?
[Newsgroups.....absolutely, positively,]
[the quickest way....to spread misinformation!]
[DarienAllen AT IBM.net]
...remove nospam to reply....
Jesse Dorland
In a secluded warehouse,
on a pier somewhere in Maine,
gagged and at gunpoint,
pmor...@oavax.csuchico.edu (Pennie Morejohn) frantically made this plea
for help:
> Here is 6 reasons why N64 is better than Playstation and Satern.
>
>
>1 CD'S ARE WAY TO SLOW
>2 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION ONLY 32 BITS AND NINTENDO64 HAS TWICE AS MUCH, IF
>YOU DID NOT KNOW.
You really give N64 owners a bad name with ignorant statements like the
useless "bits" argument.
>3 PLAYSTATIONS CONTROL IS ALL MESSED UP.
Meaning what, exactly?
>4 SATERN IS DOING THE WORST IN BISS.
Biss? Do you mean "the biz"? Also, please learn how to spell SATURN.
>5 SATERN ONLY HAS TWO CONTROL SOCKETS.
As does the Playstation. There are adapters for both systems that allow more
players.
>6 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION DOES NOT HAVE VERY GOOD GAMES.
That's your opinion. Obviously, not everyone is going to agree with you.
-Jesse
=========================================================
There are two major products that come out of Berkeley:
LSD & UNIX. We do not believe this to be a coincidence.
=========================================================
Paul Jensen
> 1 CD'S ARE WAY TO SLOW
> 2 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION ONLY 32 BITS AND NINTENDO64 HAS TWICE AS MUCH,
IF
> YOU DID NOT KNOW.
No offense, but you're pretty dumb for a college student. If you're not
taking some sort of spelling or grammar class, you might want to consider
changing your schedule around a bit.
Here's a translation for your convenience:
KNOW OFENSS, BUTT U R PRITY DUM 4 A COLLAGE STOODINT. IFF YOUR NOTT TAYKING
SUM SORT UV SPELING CLASSS, U MITE WONT 2 CUNSIDR CHANJEENG YOU'RE SKEJUL
AROWND A BITT.
God have mercy on the California college system.
Paul
Unknown
>Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
>Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
>good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
>carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
>textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),
>there is little third-party support when compared to Saturn or
>PlayStation (these guys make the games), and there are not enough
>quality games. "Qaulity over quantity" is a great marketing ploy. Saturn
>and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
>(don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
>Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
>memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
>rewriatablity thing won't be used as much as you think. NINTENDO 64
>SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED, GET
>ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Anyone have a .wav file of those chants they used to do on Arsenio
Hall? Oooh ooh ooh whatever...so I can attach it to this message? Damn
straight! Excellent post Tristan!
**********************Whenever, Wherever, there is pathetic denial to
except facts, the Realist shall cometh*****************************
Needless to say, the Realist usually posts in rec.games.video.nintendo
Jesse Dorland
In a secluded warehouse,
on a pier somewhere in Maine,
gagged and at gunpoint,
>HI! I'm a PSX mark who won't post my address after going on for two pages
>about my FAVE system. I LOVE it!
>Sure, our mascot, CRASH BANDICOOT, had a terrible game. Sure, I don't
>mind if my CD breaks or skips-- they're only $50! Now, I know loading
>time for most games sucks, but it gives me time to call PSX headquarters
>and leave LOVE messages.
>But LOOK at our games! Samurai Showdown III HAD TO BE the arcade
>translation of the YEAR! And the NEW FF7! MAN! I LOVE WAITING three
>minutes for spell casting EACH and EVERY time I use it!
You haven't played Final Fantasy 7, have you? There is no noticable loading
time whatosever when you use spells, and very little before and after battles.
-Jesse
>What?
>You say Square "sold out"?
>THEY DID NOT!!
>They just want to make CRASH BANDICOOT 2!
>It'll be COOL!!!!
>URNOT (E)*
>
>N64 FOR LIFE
>Daniel Miller
>Hal...@aol.com
>
>*indicates red letter
Halo 145
HI! I'm a PSX mark who won't post my address after going on for two pages
about my FAVE system. I LOVE it!
Sure, our mascot, CRASH BANDICOOT, had a terrible game. Sure, I don't
mind if my CD breaks or skips-- they're only $50! Now, I know loading
time for most games sucks, but it gives me time to call PSX headquarters
and leave LOVE messages.
But LOOK at our games! Samurai Showdown III HAD TO BE the arcade
translation of the YEAR! And the NEW FF7! MAN! I LOVE WAITING three
minutes for spell casting EACH and EVERY time I use it!
Unknown
Troy Davis
Jesse Dorland wrote:
>FF7 doesnt load during spells, (snip)
He wasnt talking about loading.He was talking about *waiting* because
the spells takes so long (like 3 min)
Darien Allen
Troy you are a complete moron, I just thought I'd remind you of that.
I know that the really big spells take a bit to cast, but come on, if
you don't like them, don't cast them.
NintendoCow
In article <33f407b7...@news2.ibm.net>, dariennos...@nospamibm.net (Darien Allen) wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:39:44 -0400, ExtraTer...@webtv.net (Troy
>Davis) wrote:
>
>>Jesse Dorland wrote:
>>>FF7 doesnt load during spells, (snip)
>>
>>He wasnt talking about loading.He was talking about *waiting* because
>>the spells takes so long (like 3 min)
>>
>
>Troy you are a complete moron, I just thought I'd remind you of that.
Hmmm ... ;-)
I don't know the past b/w Troy and Darien Allen,
but it seems to me that Darien Allen is a complete moron
since he always starting flames.
--
NintendoCow
Darien Allen
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:08:56 -0400, ExtraTer...@webtv.net (Troy
Davis) wrote:
>Darien Allen wrote:
>>If you dont like the spells dont cast them.
>
>Did I say I casted them fool?! I was just exlpaning to Jessy Dorland
>what the
>person he responded to was talking about.
>It seems like *you're* the complete moron.
The moron comment was in regards to your posts in general.
AC...@worldnet.att.net
NintendoCow wrote:
>
> In article <33f407b7...@news2.ibm.net>, dariennos...@nospamibm.net (Darien Allen) wrote:
> >Davis) wrote:
> >
> >>Jesse Dorland wrote:
> >>>FF7 doesnt load during spells, (snip)
> >>
> >>He wasnt talking about loading.He was talking about *waiting* because
> >>the spells takes so long (like 3 min)
> >>
> >
> >Troy you are a complete moron, I just thought I'd remind you of that.
>
> Hmmm ... ;-)
>
> I don't know the past b/w Troy and Darien Allen,
> but it seems to me that Darien Allen is a complete moron
> since he always starting flames.
>
> --
> NintendoCow
frigg'n flamer!
Troy Davis
NintendoCow
In article <33F65E...@worldnet.att.net>, AC...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>> Darien Allen again and again started to flame people like this:
>>
>> >Troy you are a complete moron, I just thought I'd remind you of that.
>>
>>> Darien Allen
>>
>> Hmmm ... ;-)
>>
>> I don't know the past b/w Troy and Darien Allen,
>> but it seems to me that Darien Allen is a complete moron
>> since he always starting flames.
>U are all stupid, especially u nintendocow, you mother is a cow! U
>frigg'n flamer!
Hahaha. You, Dairen Allen clone. Look at the articles who flames who.
Again, before you flame other people, be ready to get yourself flames.
In a word, don't start flames, since you don't like flames yourself.
--
NintendoCow
ShadowDragon
On 10 Aug 1997, Pennie Morejohn wrote:
I'm sorry, but I saw this, and just had to respond. I don't mean this as
a flame, but... well, you decide..
> Date: 10 Aug 1997 22:13:42 GMT
> From: Pennie Morejohn <pmor...@oavax.csuchico.edu>
> Newgroups: rec.games.video.nintendo
> Subject: Re: You stupid ass N64 lovers...
>
> Here is 6 reasons why N64 is better than Playstation and Satern.
>
First off, is it totally necessary to type in all caps?
>
> 1 CD'S ARE WAY TO SLOW
Ahh yes. The access time on CD's is not something desireable, but you
do have to realize that they can hold 100 times as much information as
one of the N64's cartriges. More about this below.
> 2 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION ONLY 32 BITS AND NINTENDO64 HAS TWICE AS MUCH, IF
> YOU DID NOT KNOW.
The number of bits is not all that important. I know of some nintengo
(yes, the 8 bit version) games that I still go back and play. It's not
how many bits you have, its how well you use them.
> 3 PLAYSTATIONS CONTROL IS ALL MESSED UP.
Messed up? It would help if you defined your meaning of the term
'messed'.. Personally to tell the truth, I find the playstation's control
to be better in some instances than the Nintendo's. With the Nintendo
controller you have access to the controlpad and about 4 other buttons (A
or B, L, R, and Z if you have good fingers) The playstation, you have
access to the control pad, all 4 top buttons, plus one of the symbol
buttons without having to move a finger.
> 4 SATERN IS DOING THE WORST IN BISS.
I truly don't see why this makes the Nintendo any better features wise.
> 5 SATERN ONLY HAS TWO CONTROL SOCKETS.
How often to you play a game with more than 2 people? plus, have you
noticed how hard it is to see what you're doing when the screen is cut in
fourths (unless of course you're one of the lucky ones to have a 35 inch
TV)
> 6 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION DOES NOT HAVE VERY GOOD GAMES.
This to me is a matter of opinion, so I won't comment on it.
Getting back to the CD issue: CD's hold over 100 times as much
information as a cartrige, and the tradeoff is the access time is slow.
Because of the limited space, extra money has to be spent on compression
technology to both compress the game into the cartriga, and compress it
fast enough so as not to slow down the game while being played. Thats why
the N64 games cost 3 times as much as any CD.
And for anyone with computer experience out there, do you realize that
all the CD systems use only dual speed CD drives? Those are so slow that
they don't even make them anymore! Lets pretend for example that Nintendo
had made a CD system instead. And they had spent the extra money to put
6x CD Rom drives in the system instead of 2x. Now all of a sudden the
games cost as much as any other system, the graphics are just as good,
and the access time is 1/3 of any other system! all this and they would
only have to raise the price of the actual system $50 or so.
Tell me: would you rather pay $200/system and $70/game? or have
slightly slower access time and pay $250/system and only $20/game?
Sorry this ran so long, but this is an issue I feel very strongly
about. Go on and flame me if you must, I have a large enough mailbox to
take it.
-Shadowdragon, likes the N64, but would like it better as a CD
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Darien Allen
ninte...@bri.com (NintendoCow) wrote:
>
>Hahaha. You, Dairen Allen clone. Look at the articles who flames who.
>Again, before you flame other people, be ready to get yourself flames.
>
>In a word, don't start flames, since you don't like flames yourself.
If you're going to spell the name spell it correctly.
Troy has made some posts to me in the past that I found objectionable.
You have made some posts to me in the past that I have found
objectionable.
Hence the flames. Don't like it? Don't respond to my posts.
NintendoCow
In article <33fd86ea...@news2.ibm.net>, darie...@nospamibm.net wrote:
>ninte...@bri.com (NintendoCow) wrote:
>
>>
>>Hahaha. You, Dairen Allen clone. Look at the articles who flames who.
>>Again, before you flame other people, be ready to get yourself flames.
>>
>>In a word, don't start flames, since you don't like flames yourself.
>
>If you're going to spell the name spell it correctly.
>
>Troy has made some posts to me in the past that I found objectionable.
>
>You have made some posts to me in the past that I have found
>objectionable.
>
>Hence the flames. Don't like it? Don't respond to my posts.
Wow, here goes "The theory of Flames", Darien, the Zen of Flames.
You have a good supporter of your theory, who has a great respect
for your such behavior - Jesse Dorland.
Only if you can realize that your theory of flames can also be
applied to you by others.
Oh, BTW, I don't feel sorry for spelling mistake or wrong English
to flamers like you. I find that flamers are especially sensitive
to English (no wonder ! ;-) ). Let the flamers suffer.
--
NintendoCow
Darien Allen
ninte...@bri.com (NintendoCow) wrote:
>
>Wow, here goes "The theory of Flames", Darien, the Zen of Flames.
>You have a good supporter of your theory, who has a great respect
>for your such behavior - Jesse Dorland.
umm yeah, anyway...
>
>Only if you can realize that your theory of flames can also be
>applied to you by others.
>Oh, BTW, I don't feel sorry for spelling mistake or wrong English
>to flamers like you. I find that flamers are especially sensitive
>to English (no wonder ! ;-) ). Let the flamers suffer.
I'm not sensitive to the spelling of anything but my own name, hate
me, like, me whatever, just remember how to spell the name.....
Troy Davis
Shadow dragon wrote:
>With the N64 onwith the control you have access to4 buttons (AB,lL R
and Z if you have good fingers) With the Psx you have access to the 4
top butons and the symbol shaped buttons.
Your an asshole! From the control pad you have access to L, R, A, B, and
the 4 C buttons. Thats 8 buttons total you jerk!
NintendoCow
>I'm not sensitive to the spelling of anything but my own name, hate
>me, like, me whatever, just remember how to spell the name.....
Well, it really doesn't matter either. We have never seen each other
and probably will never either. I can remember you only as a person
who started to throw flame on me, and on others. And you don't
feel sorry about it. And that's you who I know. But people are
always chaning. Hopefully to positive side. So, if you can stop
starting flames, stop starting to call others as complete idiots, ...etc.
Our antagonistic relationships can always be changed. No one
is born as enemies.
But as far as you don't feel sorry about what you did,
never hope that the people whom you flamed will be nice to you.
--
NintendoCow
Paul Jensen
> Your an asshole! From the control pad you have access to L, R, A, B, and
> the 4 C buttons. Thats 8 buttons total you jerk!
Calm down, cocksucker. Go fucking phone home, foolio.
Paul
Psychogamer64
Alan Lo wrote in article <33f01...@eclipse.wincom.net>...
>I can't believe I am replying to this garbage!
Look who's talking.
>
>>> > Here is 6 reasons why N64 is better than Playstation and Satern.
>>> >1 CD'S ARE WAY TO SLOW
>But they hold more info. That is why Mario 64 is so bland in terms of
>textures in comparison to Tomb Raider, a much better game.
Mario 64 has more depth than Tomb Raider. Mario 64 is much better than TR.
>
>>> >2 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION ONLY 32 BITS AND NINTENDO64 HAS TWICE AS MUCH,
IF
>>> >YOU DID NOT KNOW.
>>> You really give N64 owners a bad name with ignorant statements like the
>>> useless "bits" argument.
>Agreed. If so, is the Jaguar better than SS and PSX also? It's not
>always the hardware.....programmers must use it correctly. If you
>want power than the upcoming M2 or M2-station or whatever it is called
>has enough power to make the N64 look like a pocket calculator.
Ha!! The M2 was burned. If you listen to the developers in various
magazines, they think that N64 is actually more powerful than M2.
>
>>> >3 PLAYSTATIONS CONTROL IS ALL MESSED UP.
>So is the N64. Only the analog pad is good. The other buttons are
>too samll and the overall design is kinda weird. If you want a good
>pad.....nothing beats the Japanese Saturn pack-in controller.
Playstation's controllers can't even fit anyone's hand. At least n64's
controllers can fit your hand.
>
>>> >4 SATERN IS DOING THE WORST IN BISS.
>Actually, it is doing quite well in Japan. Do live and die by what
>happens in North America. We mean little in the electronics business.
But we don't live in Japan do we? In the U.S., the N64 is catching up to PS
sales. N64's sales have passed Saturns by a large margin.
>
>>> >5 SATERN ONLY HAS TWO CONTROL SOCKETS.
>>> As does the Playstation. There are adapters for both systems that allow
more
>>> players.
>Tada! It's called a multitap.
Why spend extra money on multitap when the 'multitap' is already built into
the N64? When you buy N64, you get much more for your money.
>
>>> >6 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION DOES NOT HAVE VERY GOOD GAMES.
>No one agrees with you. SS and PSX have more and better games than
>the N64. The number of poor games on the N64 is unbelievable.
>Cruis's USA? Try PSX Rage Racer. KI Gold? SS SFA2! Mario64? Try
>Tomb Raider for a better story, atmosphere and game idea. The only
>good games on the N64 are Waverace (PSX Jet Moto is more fun.....more
>tracks, longer tracks) and Mario 64 (which isn't even as good as the
>SNES version in terms of gameplay).
First of all, many people agree that the 32-bit CD-ROM system don't have a
lot of good games. I think that nearly all of N64's games are good. I'll
give you Crusin' USA for being bad, but the rest are decent games. N64 has a
little over 20 games. 19 out of 20 is good. Playstation has 400 games. 30
out of 400 games are good. If I randomly pick a game for each system,
chances are that I will pick a god N64 game, and a horrible PS game. You are
extremely biased against n64.
Take into account that N64 has JUST started their second generation. Of
course the games are not going to be the best. When the 32-bitters were
released, the 16-bit systems beat the crap out of the 32-bit systems. PS and
SS are entering their 4th and 5th generation games.
>
>
>>That N64 poster had brain-dead written all over him..."Duh...32+32 =
>>...uh...64! Dat means dat N64 is twice da system dat Satern and
>>Playstashun are! Duh!" C'mon...
>>As for games, you're right. I, for example, prefer PSX and Saturn
>>gamewise, if only for the RPGs, fighting games, and racing games. That
>>is why I own those systems and not an N64. Is the N64 a great system? I
>>think so, yes, but it just doesn't have the titles I want at the moment.
>
>Name one fighter on the N64 better than one on SS or PSX. You like 2D
>you got the best in SFA2. You like 3D you got TK2 and VF2, the best
>in 3D fighters. This isn'y even including other greats such as Tobal
>2 and Bushido Blade.
Dark Rift is a decent game. KI Gold beats the 32-bit 2D fighting games. As
for 3D games, there is only one exclusive 3D fighter on the N64, which is
Dark Rift. (War Gods doesn't count because it is also available on
Playstation). The good fighters are still in development. Wait until some
more 3D N64 fighters are released, then we will talk.
>
>Name one sports game better on the N64. All you have is a bunch of
>jam clones for bball and hockey. They don't have Live 97 or Madden97.
The good sports are not even released. Better start saving for a N64 because
Madden 98, QBC 98, NHL Breakaway 98, NBA in the Zone 98, Ken Griffey, Nagano
Winter Olympics 98, and many more are coming to the N64. They all look much
better than their PS counter parts. Acclaim had to cancel NFL QBC 98 for PS
because of the PS's limited power, it could not even look at the N64
version.
>
>Name on RPG that is better for N64. Oh yeah there are none. Final
>Fantasy 7 will be better than anything the big N can muster out
>anyways.
When PS was first released, there were no RPG's on it. The first N64 RPG
will be released later this year, or early 98. Zelda might beat FF7. I will
admit that FF7 is a great game, but Square is not the only company that can
make an RPG. There are more than 10 N64/64DD RPG's in development.
>
>Name one side scroller.....once again N64 has none. Where is Megaman
>or Castlevania for N64?
Again, they are not released yet. In two months, N64 will have it's first
side scroller. There are many side scrollers in development for N64. When PS
was released, Sony didn't even allow 2D side scrollers on their system. So
at least Nintendo is being open about it.
>
>Also, Mario may look better, but Tomb Raider plays better.
That's your opinion.
Psychogamer64
Darien Allen
On Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:36:27 -0500, a pack of monkeys scratchin their
butts found "Psychogamer64" <psych...@juno.com> mumbling:
I'm bored, so I'll respond to your typically infantile and moronic
posts..
>Mario 64 has more depth than Tomb Raider. Mario 64 is much better than TR.
Personal opinion. This has and will be argued about until the end of
time. Both games sold well so who gives a flying @$#2?
>Ha!! The M2 was burned. If you listen to the developers in various
>magazines, they think that N64 is actually more powerful than M2.
This again is debatable. Solid stats for the M2 machine are hard to
come buy...Direct comparison is hard.
Mhz which are a poor judge of performance say that the N64 runs at
93.75, while the M2 would have had 2 PowerPC 602 chips running at 66.
Both seem to have similar sound and display capabilities. Looking
over stats I can't tell by just looking, perhaps someone else can make
that technical assessment.
http://www.n64.com/data/TechSpec.html
vs.
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6213/specs.htm
>Playstation's controllers can't even fit anyone's hand. At least n64's
>controllers can fit your hand.
I'm 26 years old, I stand 6ft all and weight 180lbs. I have friends
who very in size and height. They all seem quite capable of using for
extended periods of time (read SF Alpha) the controller with no
problems.
>But we don't live in Japan do we? In the U.S., the N64 is catching up to PS
>sales. N64's sales have passed Saturns by a large margin.
No, but the home court of Nintendo is Japan. Sales in the homecourt
decide whether it, or any system would continue to exist. Yes it's
great that it's selling so well in the US, but Nintendo is not an
American company. It needs to sell well in Japan to really mean
something.
>Why spend extra money on multitap when the 'multitap' is already built into
>the N64? When you buy N64, you get much more for your money.
No debate about the multitap portion, they thought ahead and included
four ports. Great thinking. The 2nd sentence? You just running off
at the mouth again.
>First of all, many people agree that the 32-bit CD-ROM system don't have a
>lot of good games. I think that nearly all of N64's games are good. I'll
>give you Crusin' USA for being bad, but the rest are decent games. N64 has a
>little over 20 games. 19 out of 20 is good. Playstation has 400 games. 30
>out of 400 games are good. If I randomly pick a game for each system,
>chances are that I will pick a god N64 game, and a horrible PS game. You are
>extremely biased against n64.
This is so hard to swallow that I can't believe your fingers didn't
cramp up while typing it. If they system is so bad, why did it sell
and continue to sell well? Why do it's well done titles sell out
almost immediately? That 400 to 30 games again is more bull, but hey,
that's your personal opinon. Apparently a HUGE userbase disagrees
with you. If you randomly pick a game for the N64 vs for the PSX.
Well the odds are in the N64s favor because there are less games.
Picture a room with all the N64 games, and a room with all the PSX
games. Figure it out. You're bias is that you can't seem to look
past your own blinders.
>Take into account that N64 has JUST started their second generation. Of
>course the games are not going to be the best. When the 32-bitters were
>released, the 16-bit systems beat the crap out of the 32-bit systems. PS and
>SS are entering their 4th and 5th generation games.
What? Where did you hear that? Again this is pure speculation on
your part. There was no comparison when both the Saturn and the PSX
released. Toshinden a title we now laugh at, sold very strongly and
contributed along with Tekken and Ridge Racer to the immediate
dominance of the PSX.
>Dark Rift is a decent game. KI Gold beats the 32-bit 2D fighting games. As
Dark Rift moves badly, looks beautiful in still shots. KI Gold can't
compare to the SF series. You're problem? You based your opnion on
graphics only and not gameplay.
>for 3D games, there is only one exclusive 3D fighter on the N64, which is
>Dark Rift. (War Gods doesn't count because it is also available on
>Playstation). The good fighters are still in development. Wait until some
>more 3D N64 fighters are released, then we will talk.
We don't live in the future, we live in the present.
>The good sports are not even released. Better start saving for a N64 because
>Madden 98, QBC 98, NHL Breakaway 98, NBA in the Zone 98, Ken Griffey, Nagano
>Winter Olympics 98, and many more are coming to the N64. They all look much
Many of these games won't even be out until '98 so we can't debate
this yet.
>better than their PS counter parts. Acclaim had to cancel NFL QBC 98 for PS
>because of the PS's limited power, it could not even look at the N64
>version.
Please you base your systems dominance on Acclaim? If that's the case
hang it up now.
>When PS was first released, there were no RPG's on it. The first N64 RPG
>will be released later this year, or early 98. Zelda might beat FF7. I will
>admit that FF7 is a great game, but Square is not the only company that can
>make an RPG. There are more than 10 N64/64DD RPG's in development.
N64 gets its first RPG in 98. I can't and refuse to get into the FF7
vs. Zelda comparison...if anything a more apt comparison would
probably be Alundra vs. Zelda since Alundra is an action RPG. As for
RPGs that are in development? There are just as many if not more in
development for the PSX and Square isn't only company making them.
Atlus, Enix, Konami, Capcom to name a few.
>Again, they are not released yet. In two months, N64 will have it's first
>side scroller. There are many side scrollers in development for N64. When PS
>was released, Sony didn't even allow 2D side scrollers on their system. So
>at least Nintendo is being open about it.
Not true. They did try to play down the prominence of side scrollers,
but there were side scrollers, even 2D shooters, as a matter of fact.
Philosoma while have multiple stages, does have 2D stages and is
primarily a 2D shooter.
>That's your opinion.
> Psychogamer64
and you've bumbled yours.
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It contains facts and opinions as interpreted, again by,
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Hey' that's not my problem!
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danker
>On Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:36:27 -0500, a pack of monkeys scratchin their
>butts found "Psychogamer64" <psych...@juno.com> mumbling:
>
>
>>Again, they are not released yet. In two months, N64 will have it's first
>>side scroller. There are many side scrollers in development for N64. When PS
>>was released, Sony didn't even allow 2D side scrollers on their system. So
>>at least Nintendo is being open about it.
>
>Not true. They did try to play down the prominence of side scrollers,
>but there were side scrollers, even 2D shooters, as a matter of fact.
>Philosoma while have multiple stages, does have 2D stages and is
>primarily a 2D shooter.
Rayman and Raiden Project are a couple examples of 2D games that were
out (essentially) at launch.
>>That's your opinion.
>> Psychogamer64
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Troy Davis
William, when you were born, was your head severely squished? It seems
like you have brain damage. PSX never came with 2 controllers you lier.
The 64DD is about rewriteability, which the psx cannot do, it will also
come with a modem and realtime clock. Which the PSX also does not have.
Darien Allen
On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:42:19 -0400, a pack of monkeys scratchin their
butts found ExtraTer...@webtv.net (Troy Davis) mumbling:
But neither does the N64 so don't run the argument THAT way.
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I got FFVIII
Nyah, Nyah, Nyah!
Systems Boy Jr.
This is a prime example why teenagers should be banned from the UseNet.
> William W. Ferrell wrote:
>
> On Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:36:27 -0500, "Psychogamer64"
> <psych...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> [whack]
>
> >>>> >5 SATERN ONLY HAS TWO CONTROL SOCKETS.
> >>>> As does the Playstation. There are adapters for both systems that allow
> >more
> >>>> players.
> >>Tada! It's called a multitap.
> >Why spend extra money on multitap when the 'multitap' is already built into
> >the N64? When you buy N64, you get much more for your money.
>
> Oh, you must mean the non-existent game and extra controller you get?
> Four sockets, one plug. Hmmm... how many games decently use 4-player
> functionality, anyway?
>
> At least when I bought my PlayStation way back it had two controllers
> and at least came with the demo CD. You buy an N64, you get one
> controller, and the hardware. No game. So it just sits there and
> stares at you until you pump more money into Nintendo's fading empire.
>
> BTW, I wouldn't call two extra controller ports "much more for your
> money." If you want 4-player capabilities on the PSX, you buy a game
> that comes with the multitap, or you buy the multitap seperately.
> There 'ya go. Quite simple. We could turn this argument around and
> point out that by "only" putting two connectors on the PSX, Sony saved
> us a few bucks by dropping the cost of manufacturing and components a
> bit.
>
> >>>> >6 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION DOES NOT HAVE VERY GOOD GAMES.
> >>No one agrees with you. SS and PSX have more and better games than
> >>the N64. The number of poor games on the N64 is unbelievable.
> >>Cruis's USA? Try PSX Rage Racer. KI Gold? SS SFA2! Mario64? Try
> >>Tomb Raider for a better story, atmosphere and game idea. The only
> >>good games on the N64 are Waverace (PSX Jet Moto is more fun.....more
> >>tracks, longer tracks) and Mario 64 (which isn't even as good as the
> >>SNES version in terms of gameplay).
> >First of all, many people agree that the 32-bit CD-ROM system don't have a
> >lot of good games. I think that nearly all of N64's games are good. I'll
> >give you Crusin' USA for being bad, but the rest are decent games. N64 has a
> >little over 20 games. 19 out of 20 is good. Playstation has 400 games. 30
>
> WHAT?!?!?! 19 out of 20 good?!?! Oh, man, pass me that bong, would
> 'ya? Must be doing some cool stuff to your head.
>
> Mortal Kombat Trilogy; Crusin' USA; War Gods; Dark Rift; Hexen; Killer
> Instinct Gold; these get terrible marks because they either look
> horrible, or play horrible, or both. Then there's the eye-candy crap:
>
> PilotWings 64; Star Fox 64; Turok; these have about as much replay
> value as a Barney video.
>
> >out of 400 games are good. If I randomly pick a game for each system,
> >chances are that I will pick a god N64 game, and a horrible PS game. You are
> >extremely biased against n64.
>
> No, perhaps he just has taste! Chances are if _I_ randomly pick a game
> for each system, I'll hit a crappy game for the N64, and an at least
> decent game for the PSX. I'm not sure how you define random... putting
> your favorite games in a hat and picking from those, perhaps? ;)
>
> >Take into account that N64 has JUST started their second generation. Of
> >course the games are not going to be the best. When the 32-bitters were
> >released, the 16-bit systems beat the crap out of the 32-bit systems. PS and
> >SS are entering their 4th and 5th generation games.
>
> No, sorry, the 16-bit machines never held a candle to the 32-bit
> machines. Fourth and fifth generation games? Um, the PSX has only been
> out two years. The N64's been out for one year. I _still_ don't see
> the massive upswing of games for the N64. If you look at the releases,
> by the N64's second birthday it'll have a whole 100+ games to its
> credit. Do you really think they'll all be good? Didn't think so.
>
> >>>That N64 poster had brain-dead written all over him..."Duh...32+32 =
> >>>...uh...64! Dat means dat N64 is twice da system dat Satern and
> >>>Playstashun are! Duh!" C'mon...
> >>>As for games, you're right. I, for example, prefer PSX and Saturn
> >>>gamewise, if only for the RPGs, fighting games, and racing games. That
> >>>is why I own those systems and not an N64. Is the N64 a great system? I
> >>>think so, yes, but it just doesn't have the titles I want at the moment.
> >>
> >>Name one fighter on the N64 better than one on SS or PSX. You like 2D
> >>you got the best in SFA2. You like 3D you got TK2 and VF2, the best
> >>in 3D fighters. This isn'y even including other greats such as Tobal
> >>2 and Bushido Blade.
> >Dark Rift is a decent game. KI Gold beats the 32-bit 2D fighting games. As
> >for 3D games, there is only one exclusive 3D fighter on the N64, which is
> >Dark Rift. (War Gods doesn't count because it is also available on
> >Playstation). The good fighters are still in development. Wait until some
> >more 3D N64 fighters are released, then we will talk.
>
> KI Gold blew chunks, to be frank. The only difference between it and
> the arcade version was the eye-candy. It's still the button-mashing
> chain-comboing garbage I hated in the arcade. War Gods blew chunks as
> well, on both systems. That couldn't be helped; the game wasn't that
> good in arcades either.
>
> Why wait for some N64 fighters to come out? We already have some great
> fighters out for our PSX machines! You go wait, while I play Soul
> Blade, or Tekken 1, 2, 3, or Toshinden 1, 2, or 3. There's more on the
> way, too.
>
> >>Name one sports game better on the N64. All you have is a bunch of
> >>jam clones for bball and hockey. They don't have Live 97 or Madden97.
> >The good sports are not even released. Better start saving for a N64 because
> >Madden 98, QBC 98, NHL Breakaway 98, NBA in the Zone 98, Ken Griffey, Nagano
> >Winter Olympics 98, and many more are coming to the N64. They all look much
> >better than their PS counter parts. Acclaim had to cancel NFL QBC 98 for PS
> >because of the PS's limited power, it could not even look at the N64
> >version.
>
> Acclaim hasn't released a decent game in years. Give me a break. Their
> pathetic attempt at MK Trilogy on the N64 convinced me never to buy
> another of their products.
>
> >>Name on RPG that is better for N64. Oh yeah there are none. Final
> >>Fantasy 7 will be better than anything the big N can muster out
> >>anyways.
> >When PS was first released, there were no RPG's on it. The first N64 RPG
> >will be released later this year, or early 98. Zelda might beat FF7. I will
> >admit that FF7 is a great game, but Square is not the only company that can
> >make an RPG. There are more than 10 N64/64DD RPG's in development.
>
> Oh, is this that "more for your money" argument again? Gee, we Sony
> customers don't have to spend extra money for a high-capacity medium.
> We got one right out of the box. BTW, I don't really expect Zelda to
> do nearly as well as FFVII... oh, look, Zelda runs around like Mario
> now. Woohoo.
>
> >>Name one side scroller.....once again N64 has none. Where is Megaman
> >>or Castlevania for N64?
> >Again, they are not released yet. In two months, N64 will have it's first
> >side scroller. There are many side scrollers in development for N64. When PS
> >was released, Sony didn't even allow 2D side scrollers on their system. So
> >at least Nintendo is being open about it.
>
> Someone else already argued this point, so I'll just leave that one
> alone.
>
> >>Also, Mario may look better, but Tomb Raider plays better.
> >That's your opinion.
>
> Obviously better formed than yours was (is).
>
> > Psychogamer64
>
> It shows.
busta
> >
> > >>>> >5 SATERN ONLY HAS TWO CONTROL SOCKETS.
> > >>>> As does the Playstation. There are adapters for both systems that allow
> > >more
> > >>>> players.
> > >>Tada! It's called a multitap.
> > >Why spend extra money on multitap when the 'multitap' is already built into
> > >the N64? When you buy N64, you get much more for your money.
Yeah, i will go buy a system cuz it has more holes in the front...
This is why there is a stigma attached to being an N64 owner...
This guy is obviously on crack. 2 out of 20 is being generous.
Yeah, and they stopped production on the Jaguar version because it was
going to look better than the N64 version. You are talking out of your
ass. If I were you I would put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger.
You will never get anywhere in life being that ignorant. You might as
well end it now.
> >
> > Acclaim hasn't released a decent game in years.
you mean ever...
>>>Give me a break. Their
> > pathetic attempt at MK Trilogy on the N64 convinced me never to buy
> > another of their products.
> >
> > >>Name on RPG that is better for N64. Oh yeah there are none. Final
> > >>Fantasy 7 will be better than anything the big N can muster out
> > >>anyways.
> > >When PS was first released, there were no RPG's on it. The first N64 RPG
> > >will be released later this year, or early 98. Zelda might beat FF7. I will
> > >admit that FF7 is a great game, but Square is not the only company that can
> > >make an RPG. There are more than 10 N64/64DD RPG's in development.
And I am just dying to play an RPG that you can beat in 3 hrs...
No storage, no depth.
Sorry...
William W. Ferrell
On Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:36:27 -0500, "Psychogamer64"
<psych...@juno.com> wrote:
[whack]
>>>> >5 SATERN ONLY HAS TWO CONTROL SOCKETS.
>>>> As does the Playstation. There are adapters for both systems that allow
>more
>>>> players.
>>Tada! It's called a multitap.
>Why spend extra money on multitap when the 'multitap' is already built into
>the N64? When you buy N64, you get much more for your money.
Oh, you must mean the non-existent game and extra controller you get?
Four sockets, one plug. Hmmm... how many games decently use 4-player
functionality, anyway?
At least when I bought my PlayStation way back it had two controllers
and at least came with the demo CD. You buy an N64, you get one
controller, and the hardware. No game. So it just sits there and
stares at you until you pump more money into Nintendo's fading empire.
BTW, I wouldn't call two extra controller ports "much more for your
money." If you want 4-player capabilities on the PSX, you buy a game
that comes with the multitap, or you buy the multitap seperately.
There 'ya go. Quite simple. We could turn this argument around and
point out that by "only" putting two connectors on the PSX, Sony saved
us a few bucks by dropping the cost of manufacturing and components a
bit.
>>>> >6 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION DOES NOT HAVE VERY GOOD GAMES.
>>No one agrees with you. SS and PSX have more and better games than
>>the N64. The number of poor games on the N64 is unbelievable.
>>Cruis's USA? Try PSX Rage Racer. KI Gold? SS SFA2! Mario64? Try
>>Tomb Raider for a better story, atmosphere and game idea. The only
>>good games on the N64 are Waverace (PSX Jet Moto is more fun.....more
>>tracks, longer tracks) and Mario 64 (which isn't even as good as the
>>SNES version in terms of gameplay).
>First of all, many people agree that the 32-bit CD-ROM system don't have a
>lot of good games. I think that nearly all of N64's games are good. I'll
>give you Crusin' USA for being bad, but the rest are decent games. N64 has a
>little over 20 games. 19 out of 20 is good. Playstation has 400 games. 30
WHAT?!?!?! 19 out of 20 good?!?! Oh, man, pass me that bong, would
'ya? Must be doing some cool stuff to your head.
Mortal Kombat Trilogy; Crusin' USA; War Gods; Dark Rift; Hexen; Killer
Instinct Gold; these get terrible marks because they either look
horrible, or play horrible, or both. Then there's the eye-candy crap:
PilotWings 64; Star Fox 64; Turok; these have about as much replay
value as a Barney video.
>out of 400 games are good. If I randomly pick a game for each system,
>chances are that I will pick a god N64 game, and a horrible PS game. You are
>extremely biased against n64.
No, perhaps he just has taste! Chances are if _I_ randomly pick a game
for each system, I'll hit a crappy game for the N64, and an at least
decent game for the PSX. I'm not sure how you define random... putting
your favorite games in a hat and picking from those, perhaps? ;)
>Take into account that N64 has JUST started their second generation. Of
>course the games are not going to be the best. When the 32-bitters were
>released, the 16-bit systems beat the crap out of the 32-bit systems. PS and
>SS are entering their 4th and 5th generation games.
No, sorry, the 16-bit machines never held a candle to the 32-bit
machines. Fourth and fifth generation games? Um, the PSX has only been
out two years. The N64's been out for one year. I _still_ don't see
the massive upswing of games for the N64. If you look at the releases,
by the N64's second birthday it'll have a whole 100+ games to its
credit. Do you really think they'll all be good? Didn't think so.
>>>That N64 poster had brain-dead written all over him..."Duh...32+32 =
>>>...uh...64! Dat means dat N64 is twice da system dat Satern and
>>>Playstashun are! Duh!" C'mon...
>>>As for games, you're right. I, for example, prefer PSX and Saturn
>>>gamewise, if only for the RPGs, fighting games, and racing games. That
>>>is why I own those systems and not an N64. Is the N64 a great system? I
>>>think so, yes, but it just doesn't have the titles I want at the moment.
>>
>>Name one fighter on the N64 better than one on SS or PSX. You like 2D
>>you got the best in SFA2. You like 3D you got TK2 and VF2, the best
>>in 3D fighters. This isn'y even including other greats such as Tobal
>>2 and Bushido Blade.
>Dark Rift is a decent game. KI Gold beats the 32-bit 2D fighting games. As
>for 3D games, there is only one exclusive 3D fighter on the N64, which is
>Dark Rift. (War Gods doesn't count because it is also available on
>Playstation). The good fighters are still in development. Wait until some
>more 3D N64 fighters are released, then we will talk.
KI Gold blew chunks, to be frank. The only difference between it and
the arcade version was the eye-candy. It's still the button-mashing
chain-comboing garbage I hated in the arcade. War Gods blew chunks as
well, on both systems. That couldn't be helped; the game wasn't that
good in arcades either.
Why wait for some N64 fighters to come out? We already have some great
fighters out for our PSX machines! You go wait, while I play Soul
Blade, or Tekken 1, 2, 3, or Toshinden 1, 2, or 3. There's more on the
way, too.
>>Name one sports game better on the N64. All you have is a bunch of
>>jam clones for bball and hockey. They don't have Live 97 or Madden97.
>The good sports are not even released. Better start saving for a N64 because
>Madden 98, QBC 98, NHL Breakaway 98, NBA in the Zone 98, Ken Griffey, Nagano
>Winter Olympics 98, and many more are coming to the N64. They all look much
>better than their PS counter parts. Acclaim had to cancel NFL QBC 98 for PS
>because of the PS's limited power, it could not even look at the N64
>version.
Acclaim hasn't released a decent game in years. Give me a break. Their
pathetic attempt at MK Trilogy on the N64 convinced me never to buy
another of their products.
>>Name on RPG that is better for N64. Oh yeah there are none. Final
>>Fantasy 7 will be better than anything the big N can muster out
>>anyways.
>When PS was first released, there were no RPG's on it. The first N64 RPG
>will be released later this year, or early 98. Zelda might beat FF7. I will
>admit that FF7 is a great game, but Square is not the only company that can
>make an RPG. There are more than 10 N64/64DD RPG's in development.
Oh, is this that "more for your money" argument again? Gee, we Sony
customers don't have to spend extra money for a high-capacity medium.
We got one right out of the box. BTW, I don't really expect Zelda to
do nearly as well as FFVII... oh, look, Zelda runs around like Mario
now. Woohoo.
>>Name one side scroller.....once again N64 has none. Where is Megaman
>>or Castlevania for N64?
>Again, they are not released yet. In two months, N64 will have it's first
>side scroller. There are many side scrollers in development for N64. When PS
>was released, Sony didn't even allow 2D side scrollers on their system. So
>at least Nintendo is being open about it.
Someone else already argued this point, so I'll just leave that one
alone.
>>Also, Mario may look better, but Tomb Raider plays better.
>That's your opinion.
Obviously better formed than yours was (is).
> Psychogamer64
It shows.
Darien Allen
On 2 Sep 1997 00:25:53 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their butts
found sey...@frogger.lm.com (Seymont) mumbling:
>Psychogamer64 (psych...@juno.com) wrote:
>
>> Dark Rift is a decent game. KI Gold beats the 32-bit 2D fighting games.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Am I the only who who read this and thought, 'alt.humor.best-of-
>usenet'? Unfortunately, most non-gamers wouldn't be able to appreciate how
>funny this statement is...
You're right, it's hilarious....dial in a high hitting combo anyone?
----
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Nyah, Nyah, Nyah!
Gann0n
busta wrote:
>And I am just dying to play an RPG that you can beat in 3 hrs...
>No storage, no depth.
>Sorry...
Huh? *I* Cannot name one true RPG for the NES, SNES, GB or Genny
That I have beaten in three hours.. Even FF1(nes) took about a week and
a half for me (1st time playing). Maybe YOU spend more time playing
games then I, but three hours? whatever...
Depth? FF2/3(SNES) had great storys and depth.. Lunar/2?(SegaCD)they
where two CDs smaller then FF7.. again great Graphics(for 64 colors{?})
& storys.
It's not how much storage you have, its what you do with it..
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"Evil Makes You feel good, Can't help doing that."
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Jesse Dorland
In a secluded warehouse,
on a pier somewhere in Maine,
gagged and at gunpoint,
busta <bu...@concentric.net> frantically made this plea for help:
>And I am just dying to play an RPG that you can beat in 3 hrs...
>No storage, no depth.
Not to worry, Busta. No lectures from me this time (I bet that'll make you
sad <g>), just a question. How do explain Chono Trigger or Final Fantasy 5&6?
Great depth, even by today's standards, can come in small packages.
-Jesse
=========================================================
There are two major products that come out of Berkeley:
LSD & UNIX. We do not believe this to be a coincidence.
=========================================================
Shekhar Singh
Who would want to spend money for an extra-multilap, when you already have
one. N64 costs the same as PSX & is waaayyy better technically. All the
PSX gives you is a crappy CD-ROM, with weak parts, & cheap functions. The
N64 has a lot more power than the PSX in every department.
>>>>> >6 SATERN AND PLAYSTATION DOES NOT HAVE VERY GOOD GAMES.
>>>No one agrees with you. SS and PSX have more and better games than
>>>the N64. The number of poor games on the N64 is unbelievable.
>>>Cruis's USA? Try PSX Rage Racer. KI Gold? SS SFA2! Mario64? Try
>>>Tomb Raider for a better story, atmosphere and game idea. The only
>>>good games on the N64 are Waverace (PSX Jet Moto is more fun.....more
>>>tracks, longer tracks) and Mario 64 (which isn't even as good as the
>>>SNES version in terms of gameplay).
>>First of all, many people agree that the 32-bit CD-ROM system don't have a
>>lot of good games. I think that nearly all of N64's games are good. I'll
>>give you Crusin' USA for being bad, but the rest are decent games. N64 has a
>>little over 20 games. 19 out of 20 is good. Playstation has 400 games. 30
>
> WHAT?!?!?! 19 out of 20 good?!?! Oh, man, pass me that bong, would
> 'ya? Must be doing some cool stuff to your head.
>
> Mortal Kombat Trilogy; Crusin' USA; War Gods; Dark Rift; Hexen; Killer
> Instinct Gold; these get terrible marks because they either look
> horrible, or play horrible, or both. Then there's the eye-candy crap:
>
> PilotWings 64; Star Fox 64; Turok; these have about as much replay
> value as a Barney video.
>
Dark Rift & Killer Instict Gold are pretty decent games. Plus! Starfox
has a lot more replay value(more than FF7). Turok takes a real long time
to beat it (fun for weeks).!.
>>out of 400 games are good. If I randomly pick a game for each system,
>>chances are that I will pick a god N64 game, and a horrible PS game. You are
>>extremely biased against n64.
>
> No, perhaps he just has taste! Chances are if _I_ randomly pick a game
> for each system, I'll hit a crappy game for the N64, and an at least
> decent game for the PSX. I'm not sure how you define random... putting
> your favorite games in a hat and picking from those, perhaps? ;)
>
You do have way more chance of getting crappy games for PSX since 95% are
crap. So, that means 95/100 times you would get a crappy game when doing
random select. Where as N64 about 30% games are crap. So 30/100 times
you do a random select with a N64 game, you will get crap. I don't think
you really know the meaning of random.
>>Take into account that N64 has JUST started their second generation. Of
>>course the games are not going to be the best. When the 32-bitters were
>>released, the 16-bit systems beat the crap out of the 32-bit systems. PS and
>>SS are entering their 4th and 5th generation games.
>
> No, sorry, the 16-bit machines never held a candle to the 32-bit
> machines. Fourth and fifth generation games? Um, the PSX has only been
> out two years. The N64's been out for one year. I _still_ don't see
> the massive upswing of games for the N64. If you look at the releases,
> by the N64's second birthday it'll have a whole 100+ games to its
> credit. Do you really think they'll all be good? Didn't think so.
>
The Super Nintendo was competiting with the PSX, when the Playstation came
out. Games like Donkey Kong Country, Killer Instinct, Ken Griffey's
Winning Run made people buy a SNES instead of the PSX. It's the same
situation here except that the companies are opposite. This time the PSX
is competing with the N64, but soon the N64 will heavly beat the PSX just
like PSX beat the SNES after 2 years. By the way, the PSX has been out
for 3 years, whereas the N64 for 1 year.
You win in this arguement, but the N64 has a lot of 3D fighters in the
works as well such as Dead or Alive, G.A.S.P.:Fighter's Next Tream, Mace,
MK4, Nintendo's own 3D fighting game(where each person is equipped with a
weapon, I believe), & more. By the way, Tekken 3 on PSX isn't out yet!
>>>Name one sports game better on the N64. All you have is a bunch of
>>>jam clones for bball and hockey. They don't have Live 97 or Madden97.
>>The good sports are not even released. Better start saving for a N64 because
>>Madden 98, QBC 98, NHL Breakaway 98, NBA in the Zone 98, Ken Griffey, Nagano
>>Winter Olympics 98, and many more are coming to the N64. They all look much
>>better than their PS counter parts. Acclaim had to cancel NFL QBC 98 for PS
>>because of the PS's limited power, it could not even look at the N64
>>version.
>
> Acclaim hasn't released a decent game in years. Give me a break. Their
> pathetic attempt at MK Trilogy on the N64 convinced me never to buy
> another of their products.
>
Acclaim made a decent game called Turok (they would have done it on the
PSX, but the Playstation is too limited), & they are working on Extreme G,
NFL QB Club'98 (was going to be on the PSX as well, but it wasn't
revolutionary enough), Turok 2, etc. By the way: They didn't make MK
Trilogy (Midway did). Maybe you need to get your facts straight.
>>>Name on RPG that is better for N64. Oh yeah there are none. Final
>>>Fantasy 7 will be better than anything the big N can muster out
>>>anyways.
>>When PS was first released, there were no RPG's on it. The first N64 RPG
>>will be released later this year, or early 98. Zelda might beat FF7. I will
>>admit that FF7 is a great game, but Square is not the only company that can
>>make an RPG. There are more than 10 N64/64DD RPG's in development.
>
> Oh, is this that "more for your money" argument again? Gee, we Sony
> customers don't have to spend extra money for a high-capacity medium.
> We got one right out of the box. BTW, I don't really expect Zelda to
> do nearly as well as FFVII... oh, look, Zelda runs around like Mario
> now. Woohoo.
>
Zelda is going to kill FF7. Oh look at FF7. I have watch the FMV
everytime I turn on the system, or evertime I beat a level or do a spell,
which I cannot skip if I want to. At least Zelda is faster, & better. I
would go for Zelda 64 & Earthbound 64 over FF7 anyday!
>>>Name one side scroller.....once again N64 has none. Where is Megaman
>>>or Castlevania for N64?
>>Again, they are not released yet. In two months, N64 will have it's first
>>side scroller. There are many side scrollers in development for N64. When PS
>>was released, Sony didn't even allow 2D side scrollers on their system. So
>>at least Nintendo is being open about it.
>
> Someone else already argued this point, so I'll just leave that one
> alone.
>
Yeah, you better, or else you would have gotten flamed again.
>>>Also, Mario may look better, but Tomb Raider plays better.
>>That's your opinion.
>
> Obviously better formed than yours was (is).
>
Mario kills Tomb Raider, in every aspect.
>> Psychogamer64
>
> It shows.
Shut the hell up, the N64 Rules!!!
Darien Allen
On 3 Sep 1997 21:30:25 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their butts
found dw...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Shekhar Singh) mumbling:
>
<snip>
This post isn't even worth responding to. I'm simply going to say
that you and Mark should probably get together, you two were MADE for
each other.
----
The above post was created by ME.
It contains facts and opinions as interpreted, again
by, yup ME. Don't like it, disagree with it?
Hey' that's not my problem, but you have a nice day
anyway!
Darien Allen At
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busta
> >And I am just dying to play an RPG that you can beat in 3 hrs...
> >No storage, no depth.
>
> Not to worry, Busta. No lectures from me this time (I bet that'll make you
> sad <g>), just a question. How do explain Chono Trigger or Final Fantasy 5&6?
> Great depth, even by today's standards, can come in small packages.
>
> -Jesse
>
Those were great games, but for Nintendo to sell many copies, they will
have to include the graphics so that morons like Mark will buy them. To
do that, the developer will have to choose between graphics and depth.
Otherwise, they will have to have custom made cartridges with extra megs
for the storage needed to present a great looking game with depth.
That means it will cost more, which is something Nintendo doesnt need.
Dont get me wrong...I would love to see Nintendo suceed. I would love
for QBC98 to be the best of all time. I would love for them to get a
great hockey game that plays as good as the PSX versions. I still own an
N64 just in case they ever do.
My thing is that they havent yet. And it isnt looking that bright.
-Busta
Joe Ottoson
In article <5ukr69$3...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
darienno...@nospamhotmail.com (Darien Allen) wrote:
> On 3 Sep 1997 21:30:25 GMT, a pack of monkeys scratchin their butts
> found dw...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Shekhar Singh) mumbling:
>
> >
> <snip>
>
> This post isn't even worth responding to. I'm simply going to say
> that you and Mark should probably get together, you two were MADE for
> each other.
>
Ugh. Now I have an image of two baby piglets crawling over each other to
get at the...
Err.. Never mind. ;)
Reviewer for Gamers Island
Systems Boy Jr.
> I still own an
> N64 just in case they ever do.
>
> My thing is that they havent yet. And it isnt looking that bright.
>
> -Busta
Remember, the SNES didn't start out that great, either... until SFII.
--
Ben
sbl...@flash.net
Pachoo Hiromi
This is a very different market than it was back in the SNES day. Back
then, their was only one competitor. Also, that competitor, the
Gensis, didn't have an overwhelming fanbase yet, unlike the situation
with the Playstsion right now. Also, cartridge was teh accepted format
so SNES had TONS of 3rd party developers, it was just a matter of time
before great games starting pumping out. N64 though is in a cd market
and so has a problem with 3rd party support. There just AREN'T that
many 3rd party N64 developers and that doesn't bode well for the
future at all. Not to mention the fact that next year Nintendo will be
getting their asses torn up the the Sega Dural.
Philth
In article <340dddbc...@news.primenet.com>, jessed...@hotmail.com wrote:
>Not to worry, Busta. No lectures from me this time (I bet that'll make you
>sad <g>), just a question. How do explain Chono Trigger or Final Fantasy 5&6?
>Great depth, even by today's standards, can come in small packages.
>
>-Jesse
Simple, they were on yesterdays machines and graphics. We're talking about
todays machines. Care to try again?
Jesse Dorland
In a secluded warehouse,
on a pier somewhere in Maine,
gagged and at gunpoint,
>Simple, they were on yesterdays machines and graphics. We're talking about
>todays machines. Care to try again?
Sure. The largest US-published RPG for the Super NES was 4 megabytes in size
- that's for graphics, sound, text, everything.
Take a 16 megabyte N64 cartridge (even a 12MB cart would do), use the first 4
megabytes for the story elements alone, which would allow for a game at least
as complex as Chrono Trigger or FF3, if not moreso, and you've got 12 megs (or
8, depending on cart size) left for everything else - graphics sound, etc.
Current N64 games use that much space for *all* of their content.
Systems Boy Jr.
> >Remember, the SNES didn't start out that great, either... until SFII.
> >--
> This is a very different market than it was back in the SNES day. Back
> then, their was only one competitor. Also, that competitor, the
> Gensis, didn't have an overwhelming fanbase yet, unlike the situation
> with the Playstsion right now. Also, cartridge was teh accepted format
> so SNES had TONS of 3rd party developers, it was just a matter of time
> before great games starting pumping out. N64 though is in a cd market
> and so has a problem with 3rd party support. There just AREN'T that
> many 3rd party N64 developers and that doesn't bode well for the
> future at all. Not to mention the fact that next year Nintendo will be
> getting their asses torn up the the Sega Dural.
Good points. However, never underestimate a killer app. Also, the Sega
Dural is going to be fighting an uphill battle right from the start. I
don't see the PlayStation falling out of favor anytime soon, especially
next year.
--
Ben
sbl...@flash.net
busta
>
> >Simple, they were on yesterdays machines and graphics. We're talking about
> >todays machines. Care to try again?
>
> Sure. The largest US-published RPG for the Super NES was 4 megabytes in size
> - that's for graphics, sound, text, everything.
>
> Take a 16 megabyte N64 cartridge (even a 12MB cart would do), use the first 4
> megabytes for the story elements alone, which would allow for a game at least
> as complex as Chrono Trigger or FF3, if not moreso, and you've got 12 megs (or
> 8, depending on cart size) left for everything else - graphics sound, etc.
> Current N64 games use that much space for *all* of their content.
>
> -Jesse
>
Then by that theory, a single disc PSX RPG could hold a game 160 times
the size of Chrono Trigger. Now which would you rather have? A pretty
N64 game, or a HUGE RPG 160 times the size of Chrono Trigger. Granted,
at least 75-80% of that space would have to be used for graphics, but
tell me you wouldnt like to play an RPG even 32 times the size of Chrono
Trigger?
-Busta
Systems Boy Jr.
Yeah, I would... but it doesn't exist. And that wasn't even the point
of this thread.
--
Ben
sbl...@flash.net
busta
Read above what I posted last time.
-Busta
GodZpeed X7
> Jesus Christ!! These N64 owners are starting to sound like former
> Genesis owners, endlessly trying to defend their system. N64 is not as
> good as the PSX or the import Saturn, for three reasons: N64 games use
> carts, which don't have enough memory for today's games (repeating
> textures, fewer sound effects/musical tracks, smaller gameplay areas),
> there is little third-party support when compared to Saturn or
> PlayStation (these guys make the games), and there are not enough
> quality games. "Qaulity over quantity" is a great marketing ploy. Saturn
> and PlayStation also have the advantages of CDs: Redbook audio, cinemas
> (don't you even say thy're pointless, look at FFVII or Tomb Raider, or
> Resident Evil, or OverBlood, or... The list goes on...), and much more
> memory to put stuff in. 64DD sucks already; it lacks memory and the
> rewriatablity thing won't be used as much as you think. NINTENDO 64
> SUCKS, SNES ROCKED, GAME BOY ROCKED, NES ROCKED, VIRTUAL BOY SUCKED, GET
> ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE!!!!!!
N64 doesn’t suck, virtual boy doesn’t suck. N64 is more powerful than PlayStation and it IS as good as the PlayStation and saturn dumbass. Carts do have enough memory. There is a lot of third party games for n64 and there is enough quality games. Sega Saturn has no advantages. 64DD doesn’t suck and it doesn’t lack jack and the rewrite ability thing is good so stfu
GodZpeed X7
> In article <19970805035...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> >
> > << "Qaulity over quantity" is a great marketing ploy.>>
> >
> Saturn certainly does (Sega recently instituted their own "5 star
> policy"). I'd even go so far to say Sega alone manages to produce more
> high quality games than Nintendo will in the next 2 years ;-) Pointless
> harping aside, there's not a system in creation that doesn't suffer from
> bad games. The PSx does, the Saturn does, and the N64 does. You can't
> avoid them, and it's silly to take a company's promise that "no more bad
> games will appear for our system" at face value.
> > CD's replace poor animation, long loading waits, little memory, and choppy
> > graphics with live cinema to try and compensate. being a PSX owner I know.
> >
> This makes no sense. Choppy graphics and bad animation? (MKT was smoother
> on the PSx than the N64 thanks to the increased storage) Unless you
> possess some form of visiual defect, the games (especially the polygon
> ones) don't suffer from either problem.
> (Or is Toshinden 2 the only PSx game you've played? That would explain a
> lot.. Poor animation, terrrible live action FMV intro, not especially long
> loading times)
False Nintendo would produce more quality games than sega does in 2 years top.