Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>Tue, 13 Sep 2022 20:07:02 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <
a...@chinet.com>:
>>Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 17:15:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <
anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>. . .
>>>I'm surprised there was only 1 cartoon that caused problems.
>>>There are many many cartoons that one would expect to cause problems.
>>>Racist times produce racist cinema.
>>Every time in history is a racist time. I have absolutely no doubt that
>>people in future will look down upon the inferiority of human social
>>structures and the way we entertain and communicate in the decades that
>>I've lived in. Of course we are also going to be laughing stocks.
>Looks like I punched a button here.
You're kidding, right? Every historian writes history as filtered
through his own experiences and perceptions. It's literally impossible
to write history in the context of the era being described. Because of
this, people in future are inclined to look down upon the social
attitudes and social structures of the past, always telling themselves
that human existence has always built upon the past and there are never
any setbacks. It's just straight progress.
People kid themselves.
>>>And war produces propaganda, often racist.
>>That's unfair. The conflicts that led to WWII had absolutely nothing to
>>do with an adversarial relationship between the Empire of Japan and the
>>United States due to racism.
>Looks like I punched a button here too.
>The Naval Attache to Japan, in the late 30s, reported faithfully to
>his superior that Japan had an aircraft that could beat the socks off
>of anything the USA had. That superior, a racist who believed that no
>yellow man could do anything better than any white man, trashed the
>report. One reason for the success of Japanese aviation in the early
>part of the war was because of /our/ racism towards /them/.
I am not disputing that, and you've made a very good point about willful
ignorance. I am disputing the notion that racism is one of the
causes of the war between the United States and Japan and that the
existence of anti-Japanese propoganda made during the war is evidence of
deadly racists attitudes that existed prior to the war and therefore
caused the war.
Others have made that argument explicity in recent years, without
offering evidence.
>>War is about KILLING THE ENEMY. They want to kill us. We want to kill
>>them. Propoganda is used to make the enemy as unsympathetic as possible.
>>Japan produced its own propoganda, none of which made the people of the
>>United States sympathetic.
>Wow, that button must have been pressed real hard!
>My maternal grandparents had their house egged in WWI because their
>name (Steinhoff) was German. You might want to look at how Germans
>were portrayed, and realize that racism applied to the various other
>"white" races as well as to all the others.
Let's not call that racism, ok? Yes, I am well aware of how much
anti-German sentiment existed during the WWI era, and we all recall that
the Royal House of England was renamed "House of Windsor" hoping that
all UK subjects would ignore that they had to import their princes from
Germany to avoid having another Catholic king or queen.
The United States isn't responsible for starting WWI either. Pretty much
every country in Europe (except maybe Andorra) bears responsibility for
that. They're all white, so not racism.
>>There was racism versus Chinese immigrants to the western United States,
>>which was blatant. And yet, diplomatically and militarily, the United
>>States and China were allies prior to Mao's successful revolution.
>Diplomacy is not domestic behavior.
Isn't it? The two cannot be separated and diplomats argue against ill
treatment of their own citizens in foreign countries all the time. Ill
treatment of foreign citizens absolutely causes diplomatic rifts.
I'm just pointing out the speciousness of the "racism the war between
Japan and the United States" based on the Chinese example. Are you agreeing
with me or still disputing that? If it was racism, then we'd have been
at war with China and not Japan.
>>>. . .