CGE'99 And Curt Vendel - The Story So Far
Gregory George
> From the beginning I knew this whole thing seemed fishy,
> and the following is a summary of my investigative work.
Wonderful. Could you, like, put that into a single paragraph?
Thanks,
--GG
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Mylar
Thanks, for getting to the bottom of this entire matter. If I would have
known that it was Curt Vendel posting all of those messages, I certainly
wouldn't have taken my comments as far as I did. I am not going to say that
I am entirely wrong in this matter, as I was only going off of info that I
had collected and that others were e-mailing me. I will say this though, I
apologize for blaming Keita for this matter. Yes it is true, Keita and I are
not exactly friends, but at the same time I do not want to do anything to
hurt his image. I hope that Keita, along with others in the Classic Gaming
Community can forgive me for taking this as far as I did. I may now have to
reconsider attending the show once again.
Thanks,
Phil A. Huddy
my...@sprynet.com
John B <bab...@removethispart.azstarnet.com> wrote in message
news:37630167...@news.azstarnet.com...
> From the beginning I knew this whole thing seemed fishy,
> and the following is a summary of my investigative work.
>
> (1)
>
> Curt Vendel told me that he now works for Nolan
> Bushnell.
>
> (2)
>
> In rec.games.video.classic, check out the headers of
> the posts by Curt Vendel, Lui Ng and Michael Ebbetts,
> and in rec.games.video.atari, check out the headers of
> the posts by Jan Gregory. Message headers show the
> server and ISP from where the message is posted (even
> if they use a fake email address).. if everything
> matches ... boom, you have a winner!
>
> Pay close attention to the "X-Trace" line. You'll
> see that they're one and the same. If you can't find
> the posts, check Deja.com (formerly DejaNews). Click
> on "VIEW ORIGINAL USENET FORMAT" to see the complete
> header in Deja.com after clicking on the individual
> messages.
>
> Let's review the headers...
>
> VENDEL
> ---------------
> From: Curt Vendel <cve...@worldnet.att.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.games.video.classic
> Subject: Re: Another CGE '99 Note
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:37:49 -0400
> Organization: The Atari Historical Society (www.atari-history.com)
> Lines: 24
> Message-ID: <3762A8FD...@worldnet.att.net>
> References: <7jqcnr$9v7$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>
> <19990611070630...@ng-ci1.aol.com>
> <3761620E...@worldnet.att.net>
> <3761f8b3...@news.earthlink.net>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.0.174
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 929212712 21750 12.79.0.174 (12 Jun
> 1999 18:38:32 GMT)
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@worldnet.att.net
> NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 1999 18:38:32 GMT
> To: kri...@cyberjunkie.com
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U)
> X-Accept-Language: en
> Path:
>
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!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail
> Xref: newsmaster.i3s.net rec.games.video.classic:138764
>
> NG
> ------
> From: Lui Ng <ng....@primenet.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.games.video.classic
> Subject: Re: Info on CGE?
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:39:39 -0400
> Organization: PrimeTel Networks, Inc.
> Lines: 11
> Message-ID: <375FEA4B...@primenet.net>
> References: <12738-37...@newsd-282.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
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> 1999 16:39:17 GMT)
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@worldnet.att.net
> NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 1999 16:39:17 GMT
> To: Brian Malley <Bria...@webtv.net>
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I)
> Path:
>
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>
> EBBETTS
> -----------------
> From: Michael Ebbetts <754231...@compuserve.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.games.video.classic
> Subject: Re: Another CGE '99 Note
> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:30:29 -0400
> Organization: Compuserve Information Service, Inc.
> Lines: 42
> Message-ID: <3761D454...@compuserve.com>
> References: <7jqcnr$9v7$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>
> <jkaplan-1106...@kaplans.sa.enteract.com>
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> 1999 03:31:11 GMT)
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> NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 1999 03:31:11 GMT
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>
> JAN GREGORY
> ---------------------------
> From: Jan Gregory <gr...@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: No Nolan?
> Date: 09 Jun 1999 00:00:00 GMT
> Message-ID: <375F3017...@earthlink.net>
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> References: <375F28A9...@SHIELDworldnet.att.net>
> To: Gregory George <greggeo...@SHIELDworldnet.att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@worldnet.att.net
> X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 928985083 6264 12.78.194.18 (10 Jun
> 1999 03:24:43 GMT)
> Organization: EarthLink Communications
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 1999 03:24:43 GMT
> Newsgroups: rec.games.video.atari
>
>
> More proof:
>
> He ("Jan Gregory") sent 2 (basically the same) messages
> under the Jan Gregory name, and cancelled one of those
> (check with Deja.com). The cancelled message seems to
> be the one where he forgot to change "Organization" from
> AT&T to earthlink.net. Again, check Deja.com for the
> cancelled message.
>
> Even more proof:
>
> Snippet from Lui Ng:
> With all the talk & contriversy that seems to be brewing its
> starting to sound like the show is going nowhere fast.
>
> Snippet from Michael Ebbetts:
> "If this is an event that people are flying all over to go to
> and spending all this money on and then pay a door fee too, they
> have a right to know what they are getting for the buck here,
> hell if Bushnell hadnt made his own announcement then none of us
> would have known and even though hes one of many he certainly the
> brighter star on the list and all of a sudden he goes from being
> on the main page of the cgexpo site next to one of the promoters
> and then overnight his picture and stuff is all gone, do they tell
> us?"
>
> Snippet from Jan Gregory:
> "there's some press release, looks like one of the guys running
> the show did something that musta been bad and caused Bushel to
> get out, also somebody was saying that Namco was a sponsor and
> they are gone now, looks like all the big names are leaving,
> whatever happened musta really pissed off a lot of the important
> players in the show. doesn't look like its gonna but worth
> bothering to go to now. its turning into something less then
> last year."
>
> Snippet from Curt Vendel:
> "To be honest the situations as I've called them pertain to some
> personal "bickering" and "infighting" amongst myself and one
> individual from CGE (and please Mylar, I've watched your posts,
> I respect that everyone has an opinion, please don't jump onto
> this bandwagon since I've seen that you apparently have some issues
> with one of the guys from CGE and what I'm posting is not for people
> who've had their own personal issues with anyone else to pile on,
> thank you) which I'm not going to say who. Needless to say we've
> had a sortof coldwar silent battle of wills back and forth with
> each other and in this case, there was somethings done that wronged
> some individuals and I cannot sit on both sides of the fence and
> agree with the wrongs and still attend, also the atmosphere would
> be unpleasant and no longer fun so I choose to bow out and not
> attend."
>
> Not only do Lui Ng, Michael Ebbetts and Jan Gregory have the
> same X-Trace in their headers, they all diss the show. AND,
> if you check Deja.com, you'll see that NONE of them have made
> ANY posts besides talking about CGE'99 - EVER. If that doesn't
> convince you, the similarity in writing style between Vendel,
> Michael Ebbetts and Jan Gregory should be the clincher.
>
> (3)
>
> Now then, go to deja.com, do a search for posts made by
> in...@cgexpo.com. There are 5 messages, four were cancelled.
> Then, click on the cancelled messages, then toward the bottom,
> click on "View original usenet format"
>
> What do you see? Posts made by Curt Vendel under the "Classic
> Gaming Expo" handle and "in...@cgexpo.com" e-mail address.
>
> Then, Curt realizes the error he made, and makes this announcement:
>
> "Actually your 100% right as I used my laptop and account last
> night from work and I had setup an account when I was trying
> to help get exhibitors and sponsors to attend the event, I
> wasn't aware I still had the email set-up and after seeing this
> email forwarded to me, I have I deleted it. (Actually I was
> asked several weeks ago not to solicite any further sponsors
> under that account by John/Keita since I had overlapped on
> contacting several people and it didn't make them look or appear
> professional so I apologized to them and stopped trying to help,
> sorry guys didn't know the account was still setup but yes it
> has been deleted.)"
>
> First of all, did CGE'99 know that you were acting on their
> behalf, and secondly, did you tell them that you had ever
> posted and/or e-mailed under the "Classic Gaming Expo" alias
> and the "in...@cgexpo.com" address? Given how you explained
> how you and one of the members of CGE had a "cold war" going on,
> I'm curious as to what authority you had to not only try and
> "help" them out, but also actually *represent* yourself as an
> *actual* organizer. Please respond to this as you didn't address
> this issue in your previous post.
>
> And as "Scottith" posted earlier in rec.games.video.classic,
>
> "As for him using that email address to post his reasons for
> quitting the event, I think you can read between the lines...."
>
> Amen, Scott.
>
>
> (4)
>
> http://www.emuclassics.com/backintime/FrameWhatsNew.html
>
> This is the "infamous" page which first posted the "press release"
> about Bushnell's withdrawl from the show (if you can call a two-liner
> a press release.) The "press release" states:
>
> Due to questionable actions on the part of one of the organizers of
> "Classic Gaming Expo 99," Nolan Bushnell will no longer be
> participating in, nor endorsing this year's event (scheduled to
> take place August 14th and 15th at the Plaza Hotel in Las Vegas)."
>
> Fair enough. But then the webmaster (Mike Stulir) adds:
>
> "This has made me seriously reconsider my position with CGE. I
> know that I have been promoting CGE for some time, but I am
> beginning to have my doubts about the ability of the CGE team to
> produce a quality event. Stay tuned....."
>
> Ok, so that's HIS take on the matter. Is he trying to be
> objective or subjective? The next lines below (May 23, 1999)
> clues us in:
>
> "Nolan Bushnell - I went to New York City yesterday and linked
> up with Curt Vendel from the Atari Historical Society. Curt
> and I got to spend the whole day at the PGL Tournament with
> Nolan Bushnell and Loni Reeder. Nolan is the Commissioner of
> the PGL events."
>
> "I can't even begin to say how much fun I had. Meeting Nolan and
> Loni was a truly memorable experience."
>
> Mike Stulir is also pictured with Nolan Bushnell in front of a
> Pong machine.
>
> Now you have quite a bit more information to digest,
> hopefully the whole story will be cleared up soon.
>
>
> P.S., Just as I write this, Curt has put an update up at
> http://www.atari-history.com/whatsnew/apology.html
>
> Well, I'm sorry, but I'm posting this anyway because you asked for it.
>
>
> John Babich (Gaspode_TWD)
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