AEO: Good News from Atari!
Travis Guy
Current plans are to start marketing Jaguar CD in January for $149. Atari
hoped to be able to market the CD unnit by Xmas, but certain promises made
to Atari vis-a-vis delivery of software were not kept.
Other price points for the CD-ROM may have been discussed with vendors, but
my contacts in Atari are not aware of any discussion of $99 CD-ROM units. In
any event, such discussions are moot. The price of the Jaguar CD is $149.
There is currently no decision that I am aware of for any pack-in for the
Jaguar CD.
Power Without the Price, people!
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[...]
:
: Current plans are to start marketing Jaguar CD in January for $149. Atari
: hoped to be able to market the CD unnit by Xmas, but certain promises made
: to Atari vis-a-vis delivery of software were not kept.
[...]
So should we actually expect it in January? Or once we get to January are
they going to push it to February then? It's all getting a bit frustrating.
Do you know when Iron Soldier will be available? Hopefully soon.....
George
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John Broady
THIS IS GOOD NEWS? But Travis, you PROMISED me a CD player by Christmas!
Now I don't know what to ask for. With Atari bringing us Club Drive,
Checkered Flag, Brutal Sports Football,and Dragon, my Christmas is
pretty lousy. I don't want any of those games. Actually, I've already
bought and returned most of them.
Maybe I'd feel better if I got Iron Soldier before Christmas. What do
you think, Travis? Is it likely?
Henry Baum
: I've just spoken with one of my best contacts inside Atari.
:
: Current plans are to start marketing Jaguar CD in January for $149. Atari
: hoped to be able to market the CD unnit by Xmas, but certain promises made
: to Atari vis-a-vis delivery of software were not kept.
We missed Xmas. Another Black mark, but I don't mind.
However, I find this in general to be the best news short of the Big
Secret. Y'see, unless I'm reading to much into this, Travis just found
out for sure about this, however he has known the big secret for a while.
Therefore, this price reduction is NOT the big secret, meaning this, the
most un-Atari-ish thing in years, is to be followed up by something
bigger. Or I could be wrong.
:
: Other price points for the CD-ROM may have been discussed with vendors, but
: my contacts in Atari are not aware of any discussion of $99 CD-ROM units. In
: any event, such discussions are moot. The price of the Jaguar CD is $149.
Probably Core CD-ROMs due in summer if anything.
:
: There is currently no decision that I am aware of for any pack-in for the
: Jaguar CD.
I'm 100% trusting here, however. I don't know why.
:
: Power Without the Price, people!
:
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William A Peters
Fuck this ATARI bullshit! I'm sick AND FUCKING tired of waiting for
those ASSHOLES over there to get their act together! I'm buying a 3DO
and Samuri Showdown
WillBill (what a load of shit these past 6 months have been)
((worst fucking money I've spent...EVER))
(((IMO)))
Kyle Jones
> Current plans are to start marketing Jaguar CD in January for
> $149.
> There is currently no decision that I am aware of for any
> pack-in for the Jaguar CD.
>
> Power Without the Price, people!
Hey, Trav, does your note mean there isn't any pack-in planned or
that which game to pack-in hasn't been decided yet? Without a
pack-in game the price cut doesn't mean much.
Travis Guy
>So should we actually expect it in January? Or once we get to January are
>they going to push it to February then? It's all getting a bit frustrating.
>Do you know when Iron Soldier will be available? Hopefully soon.....
Iron Soldier should be out in the next two weeks. As soon as I hear
of something coming through the pipeline, I'll post it.
Travis Guy
>THIS IS GOOD NEWS? But Travis, you PROMISED me a CD player by Christmas!
>Now I don't know what to ask for. With Atari bringing us Club Drive,
>Checkered Flag, Brutal Sports Football,and Dragon, my Christmas is
>pretty lousy. I don't want any of those games. Actually, I've already
>bought and returned most of them.
seemed confident that a limited quantity would be available by
Christmas (read the RTC transcript in AEO), and that I thought
it was possible for Atari to do so.
It is still -possible- to sell CD-ROMs by Xmas (=please=don't=
misunderstand=that=), but without any software, Atari didn't
think that it would be wise to do so.
>Maybe I'd feel better if I got Iron Soldier before Christmas. What do
>you think, Travis? Is it likely?
scheduled to be released by Xmas.
As for third party software, I cannot say. It's hard to keep in
contact with all of the companies involved, and the ones I am in
contact with have moved their initial game releases into January.
Travis Guy
>Hey, Trav, does your note mean there isn't any pack-in planned or
>that which game to pack-in hasn't been decided yet? Without a
>pack-in game the price cut doesn't mean much.
come with the Jaguar CD-ROM - pack-in, cables, manual, bubble-
wrap, whatever. At $149, I feel that it's a good price regardless
of pack-in.
Brien Voorhees
: >Hey, Trav, does your note mean there isn't any pack-in planned or
: >that which game to pack-in hasn't been decided yet? Without a
: >pack-in game the price cut doesn't mean much.
:
: All I can say is that there is no announcement as to what will
: come with the Jaguar CD-ROM - pack-in, cables, manual, bubble-
: wrap, whatever. At $149, I feel that it's a good price regardless
: of pack-in.
At $149 without a pack-in game I do NOT consider it a good price.
They need to be able to compete with the 3DO. At $150(CD) + $60(game) +
$250(Jaguar (is it still 250?)) you're looking at $460.
Hopefully they'll realize this and include a game with it soon.
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Len Stys
In a previous article, bri...@crl.com (Brien Voorhees) says:
>Travis Guy (aeo...@delphi.com) wrote:
>: >Hey, Trav, does your note mean there isn't any pack-in planned or
>: >that which game to pack-in hasn't been decided yet? Without a
>: >pack-in game the price cut doesn't mean much.
>:
>: All I can say is that there is no announcement as to what will
>: come with the Jaguar CD-ROM - pack-in, cables, manual, bubble-
>: wrap, whatever. At $149, I feel that it's a good price regardless
>: of pack-in.
>
> At $149 without a pack-in game I do NOT consider it a good price.
>They need to be able to compete with the 3DO. At $150(CD) + $60(game) +
>$250(Jaguar (is it still 250?)) you're looking at $460.
>Hopefully they'll realize this and include a game with it soon.
>
You forget about Cybermorph which is a $60 game. So, if you did put
Jaguar against 3DO, you will have consider the following:
3DO with game = $399
Jaguar with game and CD-ROM: $399.
But you also have to consider that Jaguar is a 64-bit system. It not only
has a 64-bit bus path, but it also has at least two chips in it that are
64-bit and can take full advantage of that bus path.
So if you do the math, you'll see that you are paying the same amount for
a 64-bit Jaguar+CD-ROM as you would a 3DO.
Jaguar still has the advantage since people that don't have $400 on hand nor
do they wish to charge it, will go for Jaguar.
Len
>
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have been placed in that price range from the start because $200.00 and
$250.00 wouldn't really place the Jaguar as a good deal any longer. So
now $150.00, what made Atari reduce there original estimate? Did they
drop the double-speed drive? Did they take out the Virual Light Machine?
One more thing, what ever happened to the negotiations regarding CD-I
compatability? Philips is still going to manufacture the Jaguar CD-ROM
right? I would think that there would be some news on CD-I use with the
Jaguar CD-ROM by now.
BULLY
Atari Jaguar owner and supporter
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: Fuck this ATARI bullshit! I'm sick AND FUCKING tired of waiting for
Will- let me know if you find a good deal- I've about had enough as well.
Evan
>From: bri...@crl.com (Brien Voorhees)
>Subject: Re: AEO: Good News from Atari!
>Date: 7 Dec 1994 18:13:47 -0800
>Travis Guy (aeo...@delphi.com) wrote:
>: >Hey, Trav, does your note mean there isn't any pack-in planned or
>: >that which game to pack-in hasn't been decided yet? Without a
>: >pack-in game the price cut doesn't mean much.
>:
>: All I can say is that there is no announcement as to what will
>: come with the Jaguar CD-ROM - pack-in, cables, manual, bubble-
>: wrap, whatever. At $149, I feel that it's a good price regardless
>: of pack-in.
> At $149 without a pack-in game I do NOT consider it a good price.
>They need to be able to compete with the 3DO. At $150(CD) + $60(game) +
>$250(Jaguar (is it still 250?)) you're looking at $460.
>Hopefully they'll realize this and include a game with it soon.
>
What? Look, forget about the game...you're just confusing yourself:
64-bit Jag+JagCD=$400
32-Bit 3DO=$400
Now, what were you complaining about?
Travis Guy
>However, I find this in general to be the best news short of the Big
>Secret. Y'see, unless I'm reading to much into this, Travis just found
>out for sure about this, however he has known the big secret for a while.
>Therefore, this price reduction is NOT the big secret, meaning this, the
>most un-Atari-ish thing in years, is to be followed up by something
>bigger. Or I could be wrong.
is "good news", what's the deal? :)
>: There is currently no decision that I am aware of for any pack-in for the
>: Jaguar CD.
>
>I'm 100% trusting here, however. I don't know why.
"No announcement has been made about a pack-in."
And about my .sig, you write,
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Travis Guy
> Fuck this ATARI bullshit! I'm sick AND FUCKING tired of waiting for
>those ASSHOLES over there to get their act together! I'm buying a 3DO
>and Samuri Showdown
Mark Rathwell
: Current plans are to start marketing Jaguar CD in January for $149. Atari
: hoped to be able to market the CD unnit by Xmas, but certain promises made
: to Atari vis-a-vis delivery of software were not kept.
If the CD ROM is going to be $149, I can wait!
>> Mark <<
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Len Stys
Did you guys really expect that Atari would get the CD-ROM drive out by
Christmas? The Jag only has 12 cartridges out for it now! They aren't
going to release the CD-ROM until they have well over 20 cartridges and
at least 5 CDs ready. Or you will just bitch and moan about how you went
out and bought a CD-ROM unit and there are only 2 games for it.
I say it is a smart move to wait until there are more CD games available
for it. Besides, who needs a CD right now? AvP is 240 megs compressed!
Len
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Len Stys
In a previous article, jko...@netcom.com (John Kohler) says:
>That is absolutely great news to hear Travis! The Jaguar CD-ROM should
>have been placed in that price range from the start because $200.00 and
>$250.00 wouldn't really place the Jaguar as a good deal any longer. So
>now $150.00, what made Atari reduce there original estimate? Did they
>drop the double-speed drive? Did they take out the Virual Light Machine?
>
Since the Phillips PC dual speed CD-ROM (barebone) now sells for $99 at
MicroCenter, I think Phillips is giving Atari a good deal on this drive
as well. Atari buys the unit from Phillips, Phillips gives Atari a good
deal, and Atari charges extra for the case, cartridge port, and VLM.
Makes sense to me!
Len
>
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Travis Guy
>That is absolutely great news to hear Travis! The Jaguar CD-ROM should
>have been placed in that price range from the start because $200.00 and
>$250.00 wouldn't really place the Jaguar as a good deal any longer. So
>now $150.00, what made Atari reduce there original estimate? Did they
>drop the double-speed drive? Did they take out the Virual Light Machine?
the double speed drive, fast transfer rate, Jeff Minter's awesome
VLM... only for $50 less than originally projected. Such A Deal! :)
>One more thing, what ever happened to the negotiations regarding CD-I
>compatability? Philips is still going to manufacture the Jaguar CD-ROM
>right? I would think that there would be some news on CD-I use with the
>Jaguar CD-ROM by now.
the Jaguar CD unit, but any possible CD-i compatability would
come as a cartridge. Frankly, I'd not hold my breath waiting
for such. If it happens, great. If not....
Robert A. Jung
>I've just spoken with one of my best contacts inside Atari.
>
>Current plans are to start marketing Jaguar CD in January for $149. Atari
>hoped to be able to market the CD unnit by Xmas, but certain promises made
>to Atari vis-a-vis delivery of software were not kept.
I wonder what the anti-Jaguar people are going to say, either glee that
Atari couldn't keep the "1994" release date, or surprise at the lower price.
Probably the former, as they would refuse to acknowledge anything positive.
B-)
(I wonder who screwed up the software, tho. Any hints? Please?)
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>As I've stated about five times already, I should have written,
>"No announcement has been made about a pack-in."
Lord Jonin
: (I wonder who screwed up the software, tho. Any hints? Please?)
I think the writing is there. :) Atari has proven in the past they will
release as long as they have at least 1 title available. Atari is basically
saying that there are *NO* CD-Rom titles available currently. Expecially since
they are saying they have a 1 to 2 week turn-around production for CD-Roms as
oposed to thier 2 - 8 weeks production for carts currently.
Remember - they said January. NOT January 1st. :) I wouldent be suprised
if we got a Jan 31st release date.
Now Atari might be doing something new after watching the 'other players'
in this game, and wised up to hold back the CD-ROM unit until they have about
5 titles for it under thier belt. Somehow I doubt this. :)
But hey - at 200$ I was thinking of not getting Jag-CD. Now that it is $150
and possibly lower, I am putting a chearfull eye to it. :) If the unit was
$99, I would buy it without question - even if the damn thing never got any
games for it. (Just for VLM alone. :)
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Errr I hate to say this B-) but doesn't the one of the 3rd party
suppliers 3DO ship with 2 or 3 games? This kinda blows away the
'they're both $399 systems with CD players and one game each'
argument.
Also, what incentive is there for me to go and buy a console with
a CD player, but only have a cart game with the system.
Finally, what system plays the best? A 16 bit system with loads
of games or a 64 bit system + CD with NO CD games!
Just doing the math (I really hate this NA expression B-P)
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Travis Guy <aeo...@delphi.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey, Trav, does your note mean there isn't any pack-in planned or
>>that which game to pack-in hasn't been decided yet? Without a
>>pack-in game the price cut doesn't mean much.
>
>All I can say is that there is no announcement as to what will
>come with the Jaguar CD-ROM - pack-in, cables, manual, bubble-
>wrap, whatever. At $149, I feel that it's a good price regardless
>of pack-in.
Well, if they are willing to spread out the profits a little more, they
should be able to include a game at that price. After all, CDs cost
what? $0.10 to make? Wasn't the only thing that pulled the cost of the
Jaguar up from $200 the cost of manufacturing the cybermorph cart? (Well,
that and paying the programmers of the game) BUT, with $99 mechs, I don't
see why they couldn't get a game in there and pay the programmers and
Yak and still make a profit on the thing.
William E. Glaholt
> if we got a Jan 31st release date.
> $99, I would buy it without question - even if the damn thing never got any
> games for it. (Just for VLM alone. :)
Exactly! I want it *NOW*, even if the only thing out for it is itself!
Hell, I bought a standard audio CD player for my stereo for more than the
$149 the JagCD is selling for, and the CD only player doesn't have as many
features as the Jag CD!! To hell with the fact that there's no CD software
for it, I WANT IT NOW!!!!
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>Power Without the Price, people!
Yeah, I would like Atari to return to this philosophy. For the past few
years, Atari's philosophy has been more like "Products Without the
Production". :-)
/Kevin
Christopher V. Browne
What are these people trying to make us mad by saying there purchasing 3D0.
Buying a system for one game is dumb. People in Japan are even saying the
3D0 is dead. With the Saturn and Playstation priced the same, and MORE
powerful, they say it won't sell. But nooooooooooo, go from one system they
think is crap, to another that has shovelware, and according to the
O'wonderous gaming Japanese "a limited future". They're probably actually
3D0ers already, trying to promote a dying system! :P - bwhahahahahah
If you actually go from the JAG to the 3D0, and not a Saturn or Playstation,
then I've got one word for you, MORON!
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Bob Malay - Unisys
|> John Broady <JBr...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
|>
|> >THIS IS GOOD NEWS? But Travis, you PROMISED me a CD player by Christmas!
|> >Now I don't know what to ask for. With Atari bringing us Club Drive,
|> >Checkered Flag, Brutal Sports Football,and Dragon, my Christmas is
|> >pretty lousy. I don't want any of those games. Actually, I've already
|> >bought and returned most of them.
|>
|> I didn't -promise- a CD-ROM by Christmas. I said Bill Rehbock
|> seemed confident that a limited quantity would be available by
|> Christmas (read the RTC transcript in AEO), and that I thought
|> it was possible for Atari to do so.
|>
|> It is still -possible- to sell CD-ROMs by Xmas (=please=don't=
|> misunderstand=that=), but without any software, Atari didn't
|> think that it would be wise to do so.
|>
Why not sell the CDROM now (before XMAS) and include a coupon for a
free CD. Didn't SEGA do this with the GameGear and SONIC????
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>
>Since the Phillips PC dual speed CD-ROM (barebone) now sells for $99 at
>MicroCenter, I think Phillips is giving Atari a good deal on this drive
>as well. Atari buys the unit from Phillips, Phillips gives Atari a good
>deal, and Atari charges extra for the case, cartridge port, and VLM.
>Makes sense to me!
>
>Len
Yeah, but unfortunatley lowering the CD to $149 means that it will come
in a 1040ST case. :-)
Keith
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John Martin Karakash
|>That is absolutely great news to hear Travis! The Jaguar CD-ROM should
|>have been placed in that price range from the start because $200.00 and
|>$250.00 wouldn't really place the Jaguar as a good deal any longer. So
|>now $150.00, what made Atari reduce there original estimate? Did they
|>drop the double-speed drive? Did they take out the Virual Light Machine?
Believe me, the virtual light thingy is really, really cheap.
It'll be in there.
-john-
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|>: Fuck this ATARI bullshit! I'm sick AND FUCKING tired of waiting for
|>: those ASSHOLES over there to get their act together! I'm buying a 3DO
|>: and Samuri Showdown
|>: WillBill (what a load of shit these past 6 months have been)
|>: ((worst fucking money I've spent...EVER))
|>: (((IMO)))
|>
|>Will- let me know if you find a good deal- I've about had enough as well.
|>
Hey, I'll help either of you. Sell me your jag for $50+cod
and you can use that to help buy the 3DO. If you think the system is
dead, then there's no loss, eh?
-john-
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jesse lambert
|> I wonder what the anti-Jaguar people are going to say, either glee that
|>Atari couldn't keep the "1994" release date, or surprise at the lower price.
|>
|> Probably the former, as they would refuse to acknowledge anything positive.
|>B-)
What I've noticed so far is that all of the 'negative' people have been ranting about the fact that the JagCD is $149.99 and a bare-bones double-speed PC CD-ROM can be had for "$99."
Kinda funny to think about, since everyone was expecting the JagCD (+ VLM) to be $199.
Jesse
John Martin Karakash
|>That was only speculation. Yes, Phillips is the manufacturer of
|>the Jaguar CD unit, but any possible CD-i compatability would
|>come as a cartridge. Frankly, I'd not hold my breath waiting
|>for such. If it happens, great. If not....
CD-i on cartridge... Hmmmm... hadn't thought of that
angle. Good idea, mind you, but I hadn't considered it.
-john-
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John Martin Karakash
|>Exactly! I want it *NOW*, even if the only thing out for it is itself!
|>Hell, I bought a standard audio CD player for my stereo for more than the
|>$149 the JagCD is selling for, and the CD only player doesn't have as many
|>features as the Jag CD!! To hell with the fact that there's no CD software
|>for it, I WANT IT NOW!!!!
You have a point. VLM plus the ability to use it as a CD player
doesn't make it useless right now. It just means you get a neat CD
player with LOTS of potential! =)
-john-
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In article <rjungD0...@netcom.com>, rj...@netcom.com writes:
> I wonder what the anti-Jaguar people are going to say, either glee that
> Atari couldn't keep the "1994" release date, or surprise at the lower price.
I half expect them to claim that the price change in the CD is "another
Atari broken promise":-)
-- Erik
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Travis Guy
>Why not sell the CDROM now (before XMAS) and include a coupon for a
>free CD. Didn't SEGA do this with the GameGear and SONIC????
(I'll give you three guesses as to why I had the answer to -that-
question on the tip of my tounge. ;)
Travis Guy
>Yeah, but unfortunatley lowering the CD to $149 means that it will come
>in a 1040ST case. :-)
that mushy keyboard! :)
Mark Rathwell
>those ASSHOLES over there to get their act together! I'm buying a 3DO
>and Samuri Showdown
Like you ever had a Jag. Don'tcha just love people with a firm
grasp on the english language?
>> Mark <<
Robert A. Jung
>I heard that there was going to be "good news", the $149 price
>is "good news", what's the deal? :)
A $150 CD-ROM is "good news." Combine it with a $200 Jaguar (with
CYBERMORPH) for "great news." THrow in an optional $150 bare-bones Jaguar
package and we'd be estatic. B-)
Of course, if Atari is going to drop the price of the Jag, they'd be smart
to do it AFTER Christmas 1994, I think...
Oh, my local Electronics Boutique is now doing a "Get a free Jaguar game"
deal from Atari. Buy a Jag, send in a coupon, and get either DINO DUDES,
RAIDEN, or CRESCENT GALAXY for free. Obviously an attempt to clear old
stock... ("Something that's free is worth what you paid for it")
Travis Guy
> Of course, if Atari is going to drop the price of the Jag, they'd be smart
>to do it AFTER Christmas 1994, I think...
plans by Atari to reduce the price of the Jaguar itself....
Len Stys
In a previous article, aeo...@delphi.com (Travis Guy) says:
>Robert A. Jung <rj...@netcom.com> writes:
>
>> Of course, if Atari is going to drop the price of the Jag, they'd be smart
>>to do it AFTER Christmas 1994, I think...
>
>Let me interject here (I'll be gentle! :) that I know of =no=
>plans by Atari to reduce the price of the Jaguar itself....
>
>--
Like you would???
You didn't know about the Jaguar CD-ROM price decrease...
Len
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>In article <3c5q4r$1...@crl5.crl.com> bri...@crl.com (Brien Voorhees) writes:
>>From: bri...@crl.com (Brien Voorhees)
>>Subject: Re: AEO: Good News from Atari!
>>Date: 7 Dec 1994 18:13:47 -0800
>
>>Travis Guy (aeo...@delphi.com) wrote:
>>: >Hey, Trav, does your note mean there isn't any pack-in planned or
>>: >that which game to pack-in hasn't been decided yet? Without a
>>: >pack-in game the price cut doesn't mean much.
>>:
>>: All I can say is that there is no announcement as to what will
>>: come with the Jaguar CD-ROM - pack-in, cables, manual, bubble-
>>: wrap, whatever. At $149, I feel that it's a good price regardless
>>: of pack-in.
>
>>They need to be able to compete with the 3DO. At $150(CD) + $60(game) +
>>$250(Jaguar (is it still 250?)) you're looking at $460.
>>Hopefully they'll realize this and include a game with it soon.
>>
>
>64-bit Jag+JagCD=$400
>32-Bit 3DO=$400
>
>Now, what were you complaining about?
oh, gee, lemme think... Oh yeah. How bout they can't get any decent games
out as it is (games? what are those?) and they expect me to fork out more cash
for a stinking cd drive? forget it. Atari sucks.
Oh yeah, almost forgot again. Did I mention I've been waiting a year for
Checkered Flag, and now that it's out I'm just so happy! Boy, this game is grea
t! Not! Checkered Flag SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Travis Guy
>>Let me interject here (I'll be gentle! :) that I know of =no=
>>plans by Atari to reduce the price of the Jaguar itself....
>>
>>--
>
>Like you would???
>
>You didn't know about the Jaguar CD-ROM price decrease...
Sean Kellner
Evan <Evan_M...@brown.edu> wrote:
>
> What? Look, forget about the game...you're just confusing yourself:
>64-bit Jag+JagCD=$400
>32-Bit 3DO=$400
>
>Now, what were you complaining about?
Heheheh. Cool. Buy a CD-Rom drive, take it up, watch it
spin. Although you do almost have something there, as the 150 price
aint that far above an ok single cd-player, so just for playing audio
CD's it aint bad. BTW, my 3DO did come with 4 games, so I can play
more than just my Paw CD :)
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Jochen Scharrlach
> 3DO with game = $399
> Jaguar with game and CD-ROM: $399.
Didn't Atari say that a Jag+CD package would be cheaper? My prediction
is about $350, perhaps next summer you can get it for $300 (-> Sony
PSX is coming!)
Bye,
Jochen
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Kent J Frechette
William A Peters <cu...@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> wrote:
> Fuck this ATARI bullshit! I'm sick AND FUCKING tired of waiting for
>those ASSHOLES over there to get their act together! I'm buying a 3DO
>and Samuri Showdown
Makes me look like a freakin' Boy Scout, huh?
Sad thing is that a lot of people are feeling like this lately, and a lot
of them work at software stores.
I still don't understand the excitment over the cd...just another
platform that Atari won't be releasing games for.
Mind -boggling to say the least.
Kent Frechette...I know, I know, shut up and sit down whiner boy.
Brian Osserman
>I still don't understand the excitment over the cd...just another
>platform that Atari won't be releasing games for.
Well, if your little fantasy comes true in January, feel free to gloat.
Until then, please leave.
>Mind -boggling to say the least.
>
>Kent Frechette...I know, I know, shut up and sit down whiner boy.
Well, I wouldn't have put it quite that way, but since you said it
yourself...
-Brian
Ken Swanson
In article <3c557f$2...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, gbe...@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (George Belle) writes...
>Travis Guy (aeo...@delphi.com) wrote:
>: Current plans are to start marketing Jaguar CD in January for $149. Atari
>: hoped to be able to market the CD unnit by Xmas, but certain promises made
>: to Atari vis-a-vis delivery of software were not kept.
>So should we actually expect it in January? Or once we get to January are
>they going to push it to February then? It's all getting a bit frustrating.
>Do you know when Iron Soldier will be available? Hopefully soon.....
>George
Hey, who cares? It's $50 less than originally stated, and if the games aren't
there yet, what do you want it for? (Besides VLM which I'm dying for too!)
You'll just complain about lack of games for it.
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>Travis Guy <aeo...@delphi.com> writes:
>/Kevin
Products without the production! AHHAH HA HA HAHAHA HA HA HA HAHA HA AH HAHAAHA
HAAHHAA HAA HAAAAA HAAAAA AHA HA AHA HAAHAAH My thoughts exactly!
BULLY
This was not a negative comment but the truth
George Belle
[...]
: Hey, who cares? It's $50 less than originally stated, and if the games aren't
: there yet, what do you want it for? (Besides VLM which I'm dying for too!)
: You'll just complain about lack of games for it.
Don't you think people have a right to complain about a lack of games? Here
it is exactly a year after I bought my jag, and there are 12 games out for it?
Woohoo, one per month. I'm not going to buy the cdrom until there are 15
cds availiable for it. Each day I see Kent's points more and more...
Iron Soldier may renew my faith... but the Playstation sounds better and
better every day.
George
(I'm sure I'll be flamed now. Oh well.)
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greg long
>From: jmka...@eos.ncsu.edu (John Martin Karakash)
>Subject: Re: AEO: Good News from Atari!
> -john-
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yea yea i will buy all the jags from unsatisfied customers for 65$ .. i got
plenty of friends here who would love a discounted jag...i am serious..if any
one has a real itch too sell their jag at a 50% or less mark down, I will find
a buyer.
Greg Long
Mathew Hennessy
Ken Swanson <swa...@metalx.enet.dec.com> wrote:
>
>Hey, who cares? It's $50 less than originally stated, and if the games aren't
>there yet, what do you want it for? (Besides VLM which I'm dying for too!)
>You'll just complain about lack of games for it.
What I want to know is.. How will audio-CD playing be handled?
Will the CD act like a PC CD-ROM and give you CD player controls on your
screen, along with track programming and other things? Because,
honestly, I only have a portable CD Player which I have RCA'ed into my
meager system and something like this comes as something of a godsend.
Seriously, I was half planning on picking up the CD-i because it would
handle CDs like a component CD player.. (plus, it sports a joySTICK,
small though it may be.)
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Mark Rathwell
: yea yea i will buy all the jags from unsatisfied customers for 65$ .. i got
: plenty of friends here who would love a discounted jag...i am serious..if any
: one has a real itch too sell their jag at a 50% or less mark down, I will find
: a buyer.
I'll one up you on this! I'll offer $75 to people who want to
sell me their used Jags ... if they're disatisfied!
>> Mark <<
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greg long
>From: mrat...@uoguelph.ca (Mark Rathwell)
>Subject: Re: AEO: Good News from Atari!
>Hey Greg,
>: yea yea i will buy all the jags from unsatisfied customers for 65$ .. i got
>: plenty of friends here who would love a discounted jag...i am serious..if any
>: one has a real itch too sell their jag at a 50% or less mark down, I will find
>: a buyer.
> I'll one up you on this! I'll offer $75 to people who want to
>sell me their used Jags ... if they're disatisfied!
> >> Mark <<
oh yea .. well i will buy them for $76 and pay for shipping.
remeber .. i said i will buy at 50% or less of original price ;)
Greg L lets start a price war ;)'
greg long
>From: mrat...@uoguelph.ca (Mark Rathwell)
>Hey Greg,
>: yea yea i will buy all the jags from unsatisfied customers for 65$ .. i got
>: plenty of friends here who would love a discounted jag...i am serious..if any
>: one has a real itch too sell their jag at a 50% or less mark down, I will find
>: a buyer.
> I'll one up you on this! I'll offer $75 to people who want to
>sell me their used Jags ... if they're disatisfied!
> >> Mark <<
oh yea .. well i will buy them for $76 and pay for shipping.
Christopher V. Browne
Forget the flames. I just want to say, THE JAG IS NOT GREAT! I know this
will probably please both parties. :) But everybody is always comparing
other MORE expensive systems to the JAG. One (which I won't mention)
system, has a few good games out of say 80. The JAG is about on the same
ratio with fewer games. That comparison I just think is pitiful. The other
systems, yet to be viewed by anyone outside of the East, have a few good
games right away! (at a steeper price) :) However, it remains to be seen if
they will keep it up.
Unlike so many other JAGUAR owners on this list (or so it seems), I did not
jump on the bandwagon when it first came out. The only system I ever did
that with was the Genesis. I also played the waiting game, for good games
to come out with a larger crap to good ratio with lots of games. (yes a
year!) Jag has 12 games out, 3 good/4 so-so/5 pure crap. We know it!
However if you do the comparisons from other systems in the same light, the
ratios are DAMN CLOSE! If the Atari CD games can not keep up with the other
CD systems, then r.g.v.a should close, and concede the Atari as PURE CRAP.
However, as many programmer's could tell you, it's not easy getting
everything to look picture pretty on a cart. I'm not completely satisfied,
but I'm not disgusted either. 6 months is all Atari has to make
foundations. I personally believe they will succeed.
[soapy dishes done]
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Kent J Frechette
George Belle <gbe...@symphony.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
>it is exactly a year after I bought my jag, and there are 12 games out for it?
>Woohoo, one per month. I'm not going to buy the cdrom until there are 15
>cds availiable for it. Each day I see Kent's points more and more...
>(I'm sure I'll be flamed now. Oh well.)
I get flamed for telling it like it is all the time. The flames are
really kind of pathetic though...along the lines of,"How come you don't
just shut up and enjoy what Atari does manage to release?" It's quite
amusing, actually.
I love a good game as much as the next guy, but since last Novemeber when
I purchased my Jag, I've only been amazed three times...T2000, Doom, and
AVP. Well, for some people that would be enough, but for those of us in
the real world it doesn't constitute a stellar performance.
Don't feel bad, George. If you're honest in what you post, you'll always
be flame retardent. Their responses, however, are always quite fun for me
to read.
Kent Frechette
Darren Bates
: Robert A. Jung <rj...@netcom.com> writes:
:
: > Of course, if Atari is going to drop the price of the Jag, they'd be smart
: >to do it AFTER Christmas 1994, I think...
:
: Let me interject here (I'll be gentle! :) that I know of =no=
: plans by Atari to reduce the price of the Jaguar itself....
: Travis Guy
Dunno about over there in the US, but over here in the UK the Jag is being
reduced in price from 229 to 199.
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>In article <3cd2u8$r...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
>George Belle <gbe...@symphony.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
>>it is exactly a year after I bought my jag, and there are 12 games out for it?
>>Woohoo, one per month. I'm not going to buy the cdrom until there are 15
>>cds availiable for it. Each day I see Kent's points more and more...
>>George
>>(I'm sure I'll be flamed now. Oh well.)
>
>
>
>I get flamed for telling it like it is all the time. The flames are
>really kind of pathetic though...along the lines of,"How come you don't
>just shut up and enjoy what Atari does manage to release?" It's quite
>amusing, actually.
You don't get flamed for telling it like it is. You get flamed for
suggesting that anyone who doesn't sell their Jaguar based on the fact that
Atari still has not proven themselves a worthy contender in the console wars
is either an idiot or a hopeless fanatic. You don't seem to understand that
some people like the Jaguar and some of the current releases (T2K, AvP) enough
that even if Atari did go under they would keep the Jag just to play those
games. Just because a company goes away doesn't mean that their product is
suddenly useless. But you seem to think that since (in your eyes) the Jag
has no future, all Jag owners must get rid of their Jags. Well, even if
the Jag has no future, it DOES have a PRESENT, and their is no reason to
say, "Well, the Jag will never be a contender in the console wars, so as much
as I like T2K, AvP, Doom, and Cybermorph, I'll sell my Jag and have nothing."
But everytime someone says this, you basically call them an idiot or a hopeless
fanatic. And THAT is why you get flamed.
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>Dunno about over there in the US, but over here in the UK the Jag is being
>reduced in price from 229 to 199.
or is it a reduction "cast in stone?"
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Darren Bates <ga...@batesg.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Dunno about over there in the US, but over here in the UK the Jag is
being
>reduced in price from 229 to 199.
Really?! That's great news. Do you know if it a seasonal thing,
or is it a reduction "cast in stone?"
Also is this in US $ or British Pounds and whats the conversion currently?
ModemHo @ AOL
Darren Bates
: Darren Bates <ga...@batesg.demon.co.uk> writes:
:
: >Dunno about over there in the US, but over here in the UK the Jag is being
: >reduced in price from 229 to 199.
:
: Really?! That's great news. Do you know if it a seasonal thing,
: or is it a reduction "cast in stone?"
Computer and Video Games mag reported it as a New Year reduction but did not
comment on its state of permenancy. I can't imagine it going up in price
after that though. Good eh?
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That's in British pound sterling old bean! Don't know the current exchange
rate though, It still works out more expensive than the price you lot pay
for it in the US though.
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>But hey - at 200$ I was thinking of not getting Jag-CD. Now that it is $150
>and possibly lower, I am putting a chearfull eye to it. :) If the unit was
>$99, I would buy it without question - even if the damn thing never got any
>games for it. (Just for VLM alone. :)
the price will be 99.99$ so run out and get one when they hit the shelfs
Christopher Taylor Oates
SOmeone might sell it for that low, but the MSRP is $149.99
~Chris
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