Jaguar needs Electronic Arts
Marty Chinn
: Although EA is VERY good, Atari does have Accolade, who has a lot of
: sports games coming out. Granted, they aren't EA, but then again, if EA
: was the god of game systems, then why isn't 3DO a million seller? I
: mean, EA is 3DO's greatest supporter, and is supporting them with vigor.
EA is god of sports. Not of game systems, of sports. Why isn't 3DO a
million seller? Name just barely known, high price tag, and lack of
titles that are well known to people but they are getting better. EA has
helped 3DO sell so many more systems, so they are doing something about
the status of 3DO.
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>Although EA is VERY good, Atari does have Accolade, who has a lot of
>sports games coming out. Granted, they aren't EA, but then again, if EA
>was the god of game systems, then why isn't 3DO a million seller? I
>mean, EA is 3DO's greatest supporter, and is supporting them with vigor.
writing games at all. Also, EA's support of the 3d0 is very shakey.
If 3d0 doesn't pick up in sales, EA may leave 3d0.
Also, it's Jan.1,1995. What's the deal with Accliam?
I want to know. No more, "no comment" crap. Tell me, are they
or aren't they.
Is the Jag Cd pack in MKII or FFL?
I now the main reason it keeps getting pushed back is for the finished game,
but it'd better be good.
BTW: It is good the CD-ROM is pushed back to Feb. This gives
people time to buy carts now and carts in Jan. Then, when the
CD-ROM drives comes out, they can spend their money on that.
Only makes sense.
WHAT'S UP WITH ACCLIAM. IT'S JAN. 1,1995????????????????????????????
Len Stys
I got my first look at FIFA International Soccer for the 3DO and I must say
that I'm impressed. I was also impressed by Road Rash. But I wasn't
impressed enough to pay $400 for the system plus $60 for each CD and then
another $30 for the controllers.
But one thing is for sure. Jaguar needs Electronic Arts. If Jaguar had
Electronic Arts behind it, there would be over 1 million Jaguar sold by now.
Len
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Chris Wickman
: I got my first look at FIFA International Soccer for the 3DO and I must say
: Len
But they don't... and probably never will... :(
That's why I own both systems... :)
chris
Jamie LaBrash
people (including myself) who would buy one in a second.
I orginally bought my Genesis in order to play John Madden Football and
most of my friends bought Genesis machines because of the NHL hockey games
that EA has made (as opposed to SNES's because the Genesis versions are
superior).
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Nima Yousefi
: I got my first look at FIFA International Soccer for the 3DO and I must say
: Len
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:
Although EA is VERY good, Atari does have Accolade, who has a lot of
sports games coming out. Granted, they aren't EA, but then again, if EA
was the god of game systems, then why isn't 3DO a million seller? I
mean, EA is 3DO's greatest supporter, and is supporting them with vigor.
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Travis Guy
>Also, it's Jan.1,1995. What's the deal with Accliam?
>I want to know. No more, "no comment" crap. Tell me, are they
>or aren't they.
have to do with today? Too much bubbly last night, Michael?
>Is the Jag Cd pack in MKII or FFL?
>WHAT'S UP WITH ACCLIAM. IT'S JAN. 1,1995????????????????????????????
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Evan
>From: ch...@svpal.svpal.org (Nima Yousefi)
>Subject: Re: Jaguar needs Electronic Arts
>Date: 1 Jan 1995 06:36:47 GMT
>Len Stys (aa...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
>: Len
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I don't think "1 million Jaguars" was meant literally. But then,
3DO has sold over half a million....quite a few more machines than Jag has. I
recently bought a 3DO as well, mainly for EA's stuff. Not only did they make
FIFA, but Need for Speed, Road Rash, and ShockWave as well. Have you guys
seen all these? They're nothing short of incredible, IMO.
Matt McCabe
Evan <Evan_M...@brown.edu> wrote:
> I don't think "1 million Jaguars" was meant literally. But then,
>3DO has sold over half a million....quite a few more machines than Jag has. I
>recently bought a 3DO as well, mainly for EA's stuff. Not only did they make
>FIFA, but Need for Speed, Road Rash, and ShockWave as well. Have you guys
>seen all these? They're nothing short of incredible, IMO.
According to Trip Hawkins in a mag interview I just read, there are
about 300,000 3Do's sold -- two-thirds of those sales being in Japan.
Surprising that the U.S. sales are _that_ close to the Jag's, but
that's from the horse's mouth. :)
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Chris Wickman
: In article <Evan_Mullaney...@brown.edu>,
: Evan <Evan_M...@brown.edu> wrote:
: > I don't think "1 million Jaguars" was meant literally. But then,
: >3DO has sold over half a million....quite a few more machines than Jag has. I
: >recently bought a 3DO as well, mainly for EA's stuff. Not only did they make
: >FIFA, but Need for Speed, Road Rash, and ShockWave as well. Have you guys
: >seen all these? They're nothing short of incredible, IMO.
: According to Trip Hawkins in a mag interview I just read, there are
: about 300,000 3Do's sold -- two-thirds of those sales being in Japan.
: Surprising that the U.S. sales are _that_ close to the Jag's, but
: that's from the horse's mouth. :)
There was a press release in mid December, from 3DO, that stated that
over 500,000 3DO's have been sold. The 300,000 is an old figure.
I expect it to be higher at the WCES, when they count in Goldstar and
Creative Labs.
chris
Len Stys
Actually, I meant it literally. This is because Jaguar only costs $250.
If Jaguar had Electronic Arts as a developer in addition to DOOM, Alien Vs.
Predator, Iron Soldier, etc. There would have been over 1 million Jaguars
sold by now. I think the only reason 3DO systems are selling is because
of Electronic Arts.
It is just unfortunate that EA can't make at least THREE games for the Jaguar.
FIFA Internation Soccer, John Madden Football, and Road Rash. If you throw
in soccer, we are taling another couple hundred thousand. <g>
Len
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: There was a press release in mid December, from 3DO, that stated that
: I expect it to be higher at the WCES, when they count in Goldstar and
: Creative Labs.
Like anyone's gonna be dumb enough to spend:
3do Blaster: $399
Creative CD: $150
SoundBlaste: $100
$649
on a 3do compatable player.
At least they could have made it affordable and not require their own
products to do it.
-SCott
: chris
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>In article <Evan_Mullaney...@brown.edu>,
>Evan <Evan_M...@brown.edu> wrote:
>> I don't think "1 million Jaguars" was meant literally. But then,
>>3DO has sold over half a million....quite a few more machines than Jag has. I
>>recently bought a 3DO as well, mainly for EA's stuff. Not only did they make
>>FIFA, but Need for Speed, Road Rash, and ShockWave as well. Have you guys
>>seen all these? They're nothing short of incredible, IMO.
>
>
> According to Trip Hawkins in a mag interview I just read, there are
>about 300,000 3Do's sold -- two-thirds of those sales being in Japan.
> Surprising that the U.S. sales are _that_ close to the Jag's, but
>that's from the horse's mouth. :)
So when was this article written? October?
>
>
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-Peter
Travis Guy
>It is just unfortunate that EA can't make at least THREE games for the Jaguar.
>FIFA Internation Soccer, John Madden Football, and Road Rash. If you throw
>in soccer, we are taling another couple hundred thousand. <g>
EA's booth # == 3DO's booth number.
Hmmmm. Don't think Jaguar John Madden's FIFA Rash will show up.
Kelvin Hughes
aa...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu "Len Stys" writes:
>
> But one thing is for sure. Jaguar needs Electronic Arts. If Jaguar had
> Electronic Arts behind it, there would be over 1 million Jaguar sold by now.
>
Doesn't the 3DO has the backing of EA which hasn't sold over a million 3DO's.
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Bubba01
founder, who was the head guy for Electronic Arts. Atari is direct
competition for the Jaguar. So why would Electronic arts shoot themselves
in the foot by supporting Atari? If anything Electronic arts is rooting
for Atari to go out of business.
Len Stys
You are right about that. But if the President of Electronic Arts keeps
getting mail from Jaguar owners asking him to make games for the Jaguar,
he may change his attitude. Especially if sales haven't been exactly fantastic
for the 3DO. I wonder how many EA titles are being sold in Japan?
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Quentin Mohos
>You are right about that. But if the President of Electronic Arts keeps
>getting mail from Jaguar owners asking him to make games for the Jaguar,
>he may change his attitude. Especially if sales haven't been exactly
>fantastic for the 3DO.
mmm... but according to a few Panasonic reps, 3DO sales for the holiday
season *have* been fantastic. Even above what was predicted as the
'best case scenario'. Hopefully we will know for sure after WCES.
Quentin Mohos
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Len Stys
In a previous article, mo...@remus.rutgers.edu (Quentin Mohos) says:
>aa...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>
>>You are right about that. But if the President of Electronic Arts keeps
>>getting mail from Jaguar owners asking him to make games for the Jaguar,
>>he may change his attitude. Especially if sales haven't been exactly
>>fantastic for the 3DO.
>
>mmm... but according to a few Panasonic reps, 3DO sales for the holiday
>season *have* been fantastic. Even above what was predicted as the
>'best case scenario'. Hopefully we will know for sure after WCES.
>
>Quentin Mohos
>
>
>
I would tell everyone my sales have been fantastic too if everyone was
considering delaying finishing games for the 3DO. Especially with the cost
increase of each game by 3DO. I think it now costs $4 to make a game now
instead of the $3. But 3DO states that they will increase it to $6 shortly.
So... they could have lied.
And I wouldn't call sales of 500,000 systems exactly fantastic. They did
plan to have well over 1 million sold by now. And that was at the price of
$600!
Len
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>considering delaying finishing games for the 3DO. Especially with the cost
>increase of each game by 3DO. I think it now costs $4 to make a game now
>instead of the $3. But 3DO states that they will increase it to $6 shortly.
>So... they could have lied.
>
>And I wouldn't call sales of 500,000 systems exactly fantastic. They did
100,000 games sold). So, add in $2 for the game and it costs $6
to make a game, but they sell it for $70. Hmmm, sounds like a ripoff.
Didn't Trip promise $20-$40 games? Didn't Atari promise $40-$50
games? Makes you wonder why a game should cost $70. Then again, I'm
supid enough to buy a $70 game too.
Noah Mittman
:
: Didn't Trip promise $20-$40 games? Didn't Atari promise $40-$50
: games? Makes you wonder why a game should cost $70. Then again, I'm
: supid enough to buy a $70 game too.
Actually, he promised $10-$30 titles because "the manufacturing process
for a CD is $1". The 3DO - Hip or Hype? article archived on wired.com
had the sordid details, including the amazing quote "3DO is not a games
box".
In other words, predictions mean nothing. :)
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Darren Bates
: I got my first look at FIFA International Soccer for the 3DO and I must say
: Len
Rubbish, EA are totally overrated, only a couple of their games have been
really good and their games lack real depth and they have small penises.
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: : There was a press release in mid December, from 3DO, that stated that
: : over 500,000 3DO's have been sold. The 300,000 is an old figure.
Did you also know that the Jaguar has doubled the sales of the 3Dsl0w in the
UK? - Jag sales = 20000 units
- 3D0 sales = 10000 units
Not that this bears much relevance to your stats above, just thought you'd
like to know how the Jag is doing in the UK.
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: Len
: >
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:
I'd like to see the new sales figures, I bought a 3do 2 weeks ago have
had Jag for a year and today I wanted to buy an extra controller for 3do.
I have called every store in Orlando, not only did they sell all
controllers for the 3do but all systems and most games too. We're talking
large quantities here. Jag also did well according to these stores, Toys
r us sold out and said they had a waiting list. I'm really interested in
seeing the real numbers sold for both systems to date, hope they both
make it thru '95.
Larry King
I buy all my games used now, we have 4 rent & trade type stores in my area.
Jag games go from 35-45 dollars used and 3do from 19-50 used. The best
thing is they let you try any game out for any system and you can rent
them as well.
Jeff Kovach
KK> Jesus, how uninformed are people around here? This is like the
KK> fourth message taking a jab at this guys request.
KK>
KK> Obviously he wants to know what most of us would like to know, and
KK> that is: Are we going to see the line of Acclaim games coming to the
KK> Jaguar now that the deal b/w Acclaim and Williams is over?
To which Jeff Kovach replies...
Hmm, I thought the deal b/w Acclaim and Williams wasn't over until the end of
March. That's why I couldn't understand what he was waiting for...
Len Stys
In a previous article, pa...@gate.net (Larry King) says:
>
>: --
>:
>
>I'd like to see the new sales figures, I bought a 3do 2 weeks ago have
>had Jag for a year and today I wanted to buy an extra controller for 3do.
>I have called every store in Orlando, not only did they sell all
>controllers for the 3do but all systems and most games too. We're talking
>large quantities here. Jag also did well according to these stores, Toys
>r us sold out and said they had a waiting list. I'm really interested in
>seeing the real numbers sold for both systems to date, hope they both
>make it thru '95.
>
>
You'd think if you pay $400 for a game system, they'd include two crappy
controllers instead of one.
Len
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>No, $4 is what 3d0 gets as a royaly(Atari takes $5, then $10 for over
>100,000 games sold). So, add in $2 for the game and it costs $6
>to make a game, but they sell it for $70. Hmmm, sounds like a ripoff.
Don't forget the cost of labor (the largest part).
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>In article <ZE244nK.b...@delphi.com>, <backs...@delphi.com> wrote:
>>No, $4 is what 3d0 gets as a royaly(Atari takes $5, then $10 for over
>>100,000 games sold). So, add in $2 for the game and it costs $6
>>to make a game, but they sell it for $70. Hmmm, sounds like a ripoff.
>
>Don't forget the cost of labor (the largest part).
made and sold.
David Watters
>David Watters <wat...@infinet.com> writes:
>>Don't forget the cost of labor (the largest part).
>
>That's extra. So is marketing and such, but for $6 you can have a game
>made and sold.
Bullsh*t. Labor is every bit a part of the total cost of goods as is
the CD pressing. Marketting specific to the title is also part of the
cost of each package sitting on the shelf.
backs...@delphi.com
>Bullsh*t. Labor is every bit a part of the total cost of goods as is
>the CD pressing. Marketting specific to the title is also part of the
>cost of each package sitting on the shelf.
You are talking about the total package.
I respect your opinion, but please next time don't get so hyper.
Quentin Mohos
>>I'd like to see the new sales figures, I bought a 3do 2 weeks ago have
>>had Jag for a year and today I wanted to buy an extra controller for 3do.
>>I have called every store in Orlando, not only did they sell all
>>controllers for the 3do but all systems and most games too. We're talking
>>large quantities here. Jag also did well according to these stores, Toys
>>r us sold out and said they had a waiting list. I'm really interested in
>>seeing the real numbers sold for both systems to date, hope they both
>>make it thru '95.
>>
>>
>You'd think if you pay $400 for a game system, they'd include two crappy
>controllers instead of one.
Perhaps, but first I'd question why you sidestepped the point of how
well they are selling >8^)
(btw. for my own observations, there are four different software stores
which I frequent in my area (two electronics boutiques, one babbages, and
a software etc. Fully *all* of them have told me that 3DOs were practically
flying of the shelves over the holiday season, and for my own observations,
I was regularly seeing them get in new shipments of games, only to have the
wall be totally picked clean by the next day. I intend to get to one of
these first thing tomorrow when the new shipments come in, so I don't
get left empty handed again ;) )
Dave Hutton
I haven't been keeping an eye on this newsgroup so this is kinda an old
post but I wanted to follow up on it.
I agree and disagree with the idea of EA not supporting the Jag because
of its connections to the 3DO but you have to keep in mind they are two
different companys and for a company to say they are not going to support
something just because they are biased you have to admit they are loosing
"would be" sales. I think if anything they aren't support the jag is
because of it's questionable sales records, and previous conflicts with
other companys (IE: Lynx and Software Etc.) I think those two reason are
what may make them a little hesitent. As for the reason for backing the
3DO right away from the start probably revolves around that fact the Trip
does have a connection.
Dave
backs...@delphi.com
>what may make them a little hesitent. As for the reason for backing the
>3DO right away from the start probably revolves around that fact the Trip
>does have a connection.