BattleSphere Press Release
Scott LeGrand
ALL PROFITS TO DIABETES RESEARCH
February 29, 2000
For immediate release:
CAPITOLA, CA -- Scatologic Inc. is pleased to announce that the long awaited
BattleSphere(tm) for the Atari Jaguar platform will soon ship, and that all
profits from the game will be donated to diabetes research.
BattleSphere(tm) is the awesome full 3D networked action shooter for the
Atari Jaguar. The game was developed by renowned Jaguar, NUON, PSX2 and
PC developer 4Play, which recently merged with Scatologic Inc. to form the
newest industry powerhouse development team.
The highly anticipated BattleSphere(tm) combines the fast-action gameplay of
a first person shooter with the nonlinear aspects of a strategic campaign
simulator. Also included on the same cartridge are several additional play
variations which range from a pure classic arcade action game to a
multi-player networked deathmatch mode, where up to 32 players can dogfight
for control of the Universe. The game garnered acclaim from players when it was
demonstrated at the World Of Atari show in 1998, and it has received glowing
praise from industry leading publications like Next Generation Magazine and
Diehard Gamefan magazine.
BattleSphere(tm) was completed several years ago, but the release has been
pending for some time due to the fact that the Jaguar ceased to be a
mainstream platform, and the software, tooling, and procedures required to
produce cartridges were lost and had to be recreated. "The biggest hurdle
was overcoming the loss of the software encryption key." said Scatlogic COO,
Douglas Engel, who was one of the original BattleSphere(tm) development
team. Scott LeGrand, Scatologic CEO, was enthusiastic about the team's
effort to recreate the missing encryption key. He commented, "Generating a
unique key ourselves allowed us to produce the highest quality game,
cartridge, and packaging without resorting to risky unproven and expensive
hardware bypassing techniques."
In an unprecedented move, Scatologic has announced that all profits from the
sale of BattleSphere(tm) will be donated to diabetes research. Scatologic
CTO Stephanie Wukovitz stated, "Videogames are stereotyped as a harmful
influence on society, and we wanted to show that they can be a very positive
factor. Donating the profits to diabetes research is our way of showing
this, as well as a way to thank everyone who has helped us get this game
produced."
A special autographed copy of BattleSphere(tm) is up for auction on EBay right
now. As an added incentive, the high bidder's name will be digitally encoded
into this very special collector's item. BattleSphere(tm) will begin full-scale
shipping soon afterwards. BattleSphere(tm) is priced at only $74.99 plus $5.00
shipping and handling (Continental U.S.). Orders outside the continental U.S.
will require additional charges depending on the destination. California residents
must add 8.25% sales tax.
Copyright 2000 Scatologic Inc. All rights reserved. This article may
be reprinted in its entirety. BattleSphere(tm) is copyright and trademark
4Play/Scatologic. All rights reserved.
Evan J Morris
I certainly hope, then, this post isn't just crap.
e
Scott LeGrand (var...@best.com) wrote:
: SCATOLOGIC RELEASES THE LONG AWAITED BATTLESPHERE(tm) FOR JAGUAR AND DONATES
Sean Connery
Evan J Morris <ej...@dana.ucc.nau.edu> wrote:
>Scatology = an obsession with fecal excrement.
>I certainly hope, then, this post isn't just crap.
>Scott LeGrand (var...@best.com) wrote:
>: SCATOLOGIC RELEASES THE LONG AWAITED BATTLESPHERE(tm) FOR JAGUAR AND DONATES
>: ALL PROFITS TO DIABETES RESEARCH
It would actually seem to be legit. Horrid name change tho. I'm a big
fan of scatalogical humor. But I don't see the point of it. I also wish
the price were lower, as everyone needs at least 2. But hey...
There is no mention on T-Bird's site. Or the StafCam site. But by using
Scott's address and plugging it into the best.com layout that Steff(Sebab)
used/uses, you do get new info. Tho I don't know how they expect people
to find it. I've never known it as a clearinghouse for info. That would
be http:// www.best.com/~varelse
I think whatever the group wants to call themselves needs someone with a
bit more PR experience! The order of doing this was all backwards, and
they apparently didn't bother contacing Jagu-Dome, or any other active
site/person who could vouch for all this up front. Leading to rampant
speculation.
Of course. It is still just vaporware until someone gets a copy in the
mail! I would have said that "until you prepay" but that doesn't mean
squat, as my lack of Catboxes can attest to.
NOTE TO 4-PLAY. I can't play BS unless you get Tom Harker off his
deceptive ass and I receive my two paid-for Catboxes. This goes for all
the other people owed Catboxes, at http://www.eta.org/catbox
What does 4-Play intend to do about this??? Despite T-Bird's comments
ages ago about how "Tom Harker is not part of 4-Play". I don't buy it.
He may live in another state. But it says right on Stef's "official" BS
page that he was/is a member. And you have had business dealings with
him. And the onus is on all of you to resolve this in conjunction with
BS.
http://www.best.com/~sebab/dvidgames/dsphere/sphere.html
---snip---
Who is 4Play?
Doug Engel (T-Bird): Network programmer,
artist, and chief Usenet Battle Sphere
advocate.
Tom Harker (Cyclops): Business dude, Catbox
designer, and Atari handler.
Scott Le Grand (Oppressor) and his homepage:
Head coder and Battle Sphere creator.
Stephanie Wukovitz (Sebab) and her
homepage: Musician, mathematician, and
computer voice.
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Sean Connery <bo...@clark.net> wrote in message
news:XsSu4.42$33....@iad-read.news.verio.net...
Frank Traut
> Or the StafCam site. But by using Scott's address and plugging it
> into the best.com layout that Steff(Sebab)used/uses, you do get
> new info.
LOL!
Hmm... Having just checked out the "StefCam"... all I gotta say
is ALRIGHTY THEN! What the hell is this all about? Is this the
person who did the soundtrack for Battlesphere? Sitting naked
in front of her computer? lol Thats just what I wanted to see...
someone that looks like a cross between Iggy Pop and Cher sitting
behind her computer - butt neked! lol Strange times indeed.
Hope all the geeks out there don't get too excited... ahh, I get
it... that's what keyboard skins are for ;-) ha!
Now, about this new Battlesphere hoopla... again, very odd. Seems
like it is being handled very shotily which makes me think something
not very kosher is up - too hoax like. And the price is only("only")
$74.99? Hmm... again, this seems pretty strange. IF this were not
a hoax, I would have thought for sure they would try to suck every
last remaining penny out of us poor saps...
From the non-descript, out of nowhere eBay ad(sans nice pics) to the
text only "4Play Press Release" and sillier than "shit"(pun) company
name, I do not sense that any of this is offical.
-Frank
(who would love to be wrong about this)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Frank Traut
> This looks pretty legit to me:
>
> http://home.sprynet.com/~thunderbird/bsphere.html
WOW!
Joe Fix
Yeah, but are those boxes filled with actual BattleSphere cartridges? When is
it going to be available to ship? Will it be for sale at Jagfest2k in Austin?
Man, now I've actually got to break down and buy a jaglink cable....
-Joe
Michael Clemmetsen
http://home.sprynet.com/~thunderbird/bsphere.html
For a picture of the packaging. I can't believe it's really here now after
waiting for so many years. I hope they'll be able to ship a couple of copies
to the U.K. at a reasonable price - any other U.K. Jag owners still around
who would like to join forces and place a bulk order?
Michael
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Scott LeGrand
Sean Connery <bo...@clark.net> wrote:
>NOTE TO 4-PLAY. I can't play BS unless you get Tom Harker off his
>deceptive ass and I receive my two paid-for Catboxes. This goes for all
>the other people owed Catboxes, at http://www.eta.org/catbox
Read our lips: Tom Harker is not part of 4Play or Scatologic. If this
makes you incapable of purchasing BattleSphere, then so be it.
>What does 4-Play intend to do about this??? Despite T-Bird's comments
>ages ago about how "Tom Harker is not part of 4-Play". I don't buy it.
>He may live in another state. But it says right on Stef's "official" BS
>page that he was/is a member. And you have had business dealings with
>him. And the onus is on all of you to resolve this in conjunction with
>BS.
The majority of 4Play saw no profit from the ventures of Black Cat Designs.
There is no "onus" on us to do anything. While we hope that you receive
your cat boxes, there is nothing we can do to help you. Black Cat Designs was
and remains an entirely separate venture from 4Play. Would you hold
a company responsible for the actions of its employees during their free
time?
Scott Le Grand
Scatologic
Aaron Schnuth
var...@best.com (Scott LeGrand) wrote:
> SCATOLOGIC RELEASES THE LONG AWAITED BATTLESPHERE(tm) FOR JAGUAR AND
DONATES
> ALL PROFITS TO DIABETES RESEARCH
My question to this is: Is this game really worth it? I've heard
alot of hype about this game, but is it really worth $75? It seems a
bit much for a game that was supposed to be out over five years ago. So
would it be worth it to pick up another Jaguar just to check this game
out? I never really cared for much beyond Tempest 2000 on the
Jag anyway. Thanks!
Aaron
sch...@wcnet.org
jedijeff
Is there an order form we can fill out yet?
Jeff Thompson
Ohio
Greg Goodwin
|CATOLOGIC RELEASES THE LONG AWAITED BATTLESPHERE(tm) FOR
| JAGUAR AND DONATES ALL PROFITS TO DIABETES RESEARCH
|
|
| February 29, 2000
|
| For immediate release:
|
| CAPITOLA, CA -- Scatologic Inc. is pleased to announce
|that the long awaited BattleSphere(tm) for the Atari Jaguar platform
|will soon ship, and that all |profits from the game will be donated
|to diabetes research.
We still have a month to go till April 1st, so I guess we can rule
out the April Fool's day gag. :)
(I think I said a while back on a Newton list serve to never
release a product on April 1st... if you are serious.) (grin)
| BattleSphere(tm) is the awesome full 3D networked
|action shooter for the Atari Jaguar. The game was developed by
|renowned Jaguar, NUON, PSX2 and PC developer 4Play, which recently
|merged with Scatologic Inc. to form the newest industry powerhouse
|development team.
Any chance we will see this on the NUON ?
| The highly anticipated BattleSphere(tm) combines the
|fast-action gameplay of a first person shooter with the nonlinear
|aspects of a strategic campaign simulator. Also included on the same
|cartridge are several additional play variations which range from a
|pure classic arcade action game to a multi-player networked
|deathmatch mode, where up to 32 players can dogfight for control of
|the Universe. The game garnered acclaim from players when it was
|demonstrated at the World Of Atari show in 1998, and it has received
|glowing praise from industry leading publications like Next
|Generation Magazine and Diehard Gamefan magazine.
Can we say "Star Raiders"? :) Can't think of any other platform I
would rather play a Star Raiders style game on this side of an Atari
400. (grin)
Now we just need to get this style game for the Lynx and 7800 and
we'll have it covered. Panther is optional. :)
| BattleSphere(tm) was completed several years ago, but
|the release has been pending for some time due to the fact that the
|Jaguar ceased to be a mainstream platform, and the software, tooling,
|and procedures required to produce cartridges were lost and had to be
|recreated. "The biggest hurdle was overcoming the loss of the
|software encryption keyxi,." said Scatologic COO, Douglas Engel, who
|was one of the original BattleSphere(tm) development team. Scott
|LeGrand, Scatologic CEO, was enthusiastic about the team's effort to
|recreate the missing encryption key. He commented, "Generating a
|unique key ourselves allowed us to produce the highest quality game,
|cartridge, and packaging without resorting to risky unproven and
|expensive hardware bypassing techniques."
Songbird seems to be doing well with bypassing as shown with
Protector, but hey, breaking the code was a much cleaner way of going
about it. Good to know it can be done.
| In an unprecedented move, Scatologic has announced that
|all profits from the sale of BattleSphere(tm) will be donated to
|diabetes research. Scatologic CTO Stephanie Wukovitz stated,
|"Videogames are stereotyped as a harmful influence on society, and we
|wanted to show that they can be a very positive factor.
That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!?
| Donating the profits to diabetes research is our way of
|showing this, as well as a way to thank everyone who has helped us
|get this game produced."
That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!? :)
Common! I would hope there would be a little incentive to program
other games. Just my opinion of course, otherwise, highly noble of
you.
| A special autographed copy of BattleSphere(tm) is up
|for auction on eBay right now. As an added incentive, the high
|bidder's name will be digitally encoded into this very special
|collector's item.
(Smile) Well, I guess there was some room in that "packed"
cartridge of Battlesphere afteral.
| BattleSphere(tm) will begin full-scale shipping soon
|afterwards. BattleSphere(tm) is priced at only $74.99 plus $5.00
|shipping and handling (Continental U.S.). Orders outside the
|continental U.S. will require additional charges depending on the
|destination. California residents must add 8.25% sales tax.
About the going rate for new Jaguar games these days.
| Copyright (c) 2000 Scatologic Inc. All rights reserved.
|This article may be reprinted in its entirety. BattleSphere(tm) is
|copyright and trademark 4Play/Scatologic. All rights reserved.
Imagine having Battlesphere otherwise surnamed
"Star Raiders 2000" out by 2000? What a concept. Being a fan of
cockpit style games, I know I'm going to be spending many hours on
BattleSphere and Skyhammer.
Probably good, since I've solved Wolfenstein and just about
finished off Bubsy and Kasumi Ninja. ;)
Doctor Clu
@>-->----------------
Atari 400/800 User (w/ 4196 STE hard drive interface)
Atari Jaguar 64-Bit Player
Baron Calamity
wrote:
>In article <38bb761f$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
> var...@best.com (Scott LeGrand) wrote:
>> SCATOLOGIC RELEASES THE LONG AWAITED BATTLESPHERE(tm) FOR JAGUAR AND
>DONATES
>> ALL PROFITS TO DIABETES RESEARCH
>
> My question to this is: Is this game really worth it? I've heard
>alot of hype about this game, but is it really worth $75?
As a collectors item, yes. it will only go up in value. Plus is has a
certain coolness factor. 20 years from now, it will be one of the
games people will still be interested in seeing Battlesphere. As for
game play...no not really. Of course I'm of the opinion that no game
is worth $75. So take it from there..
Baron Calamity
email:rcme...@home.com
Woolf
>
> Scatology = an obsession with fecal excrement.
> I certainly hope, then, this post isn't just crap.
>
I think their new name is rather off-putting, myself. I can't wait to
see the new logo! Eww, well, maybe not. :)
Glad to see the game readied for release, though.
>
> Scott LeGrand (var...@best.com) wrote:
> : SCATOLOGIC RELEASES THE LONG AWAITED BATTLESPHERE(tm) FOR JAGUAR AND DONATES
> : ALL PROFITS TO DIABETES RESEARCH
Stephanie Wukovitz
> We still have a month to go till April 1st, so I guess we can rule
>out the April Fool's day gag. :)
enough...
> Any chance we will see this on the NUON ?
None. VM Labs chose not to offer us funding for such a project.
> That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!?
[...]
> That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!? :)
While what we'll make is probably nothing at which to sneeze, it's about
a month of salary for one Silicon Valley coder, at best. Feels good to
do it, too, and there are large amounts of self-interest involved
(I've been diabetic since 1973).
> (Smile) Well, I guess there was some room in that "packed"
>cartridge of Battlesphere afteral.
We're sooo clever :)
-Stephanie
Abram Hindle
> This is some cool stuff here...
> | | In an unprecedented move, Scatologic has announced that
> |all profits from the sale of BattleSphere(tm) will be donated to
> |diabetes research. Scatologic CTO Stephanie Wukovitz stated,
> |"Videogames are stereotyped as a harmful influence on society, and we
> |wanted to show that they can be a very positive factor.
>
> That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!?
>
> | Donating the profits to diabetes research is our way of
> |showing this, as well as a way to thank everyone who has helped us
> |get this game produced."
>
> That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!? :)
>
> Common! I would hope there would be a little incentive to program
> other games. Just my opinion of course, otherwise, highly noble of
> you.
Profits are pretty loosely defined. Profits often time refer to:
Programmers time and money
Manufacturer's time and money
Investors money etc.
Whatever left over get donated. It sounds somewhat lame but really people
have to eat.
I think it's a good idea and I hope it does make profit :)
ABeZ
TJ
Stephanie Wukovitz ha scritto:
> In article <38BC68...@swbell.net>, Greg Goodwin <dr...@swbell.net> wrote:
> > We still have a month to go till April 1st, so I guess we can rule
> >out the April Fool's day gag. :)
> Yeah, that's the day in 1990 Scott asked me out, by email. One gag's
> enough...
>
> > Any chance we will see this on the NUON ?
> None. VM Labs chose not to offer us funding for such a project.
>
> > That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!?
> [...]
> > That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!? :)
> While what we'll make is probably nothing at which to sneeze, it's about
> a month of salary for one Silicon Valley coder, at best. Feels good to
> do it, too, and there are large amounts of self-interest involved
> (I've been diabetic since 1973).
>
> > (Smile) Well, I guess there was some room in that "packed"
> >cartridge of Battlesphere afteral.
Sean Connery
I checked TBirds site before I made the post that prompted the link
referral. It had not been updated at the time. Very breaking news, grin.
The boxes may be printed. But there are obviouslly no carts! Because the
SmellBay winnner gets stuck in somewhere. Cart production must run at
least a month, assuming everything is lined up. Carl?
bob fisher
--
BOB FISHER
"TJ" <t...@jino.com> wrote in message news:38BFAFEA...@jino.com...
> Ehi, I've a question: how many battlesphere cartridge has been producted?
>
>
>
> Stephanie Wukovitz ha scritto:
>
> > In article <38BC68...@swbell.net>, Greg Goodwin <dr...@swbell.net>
wrote:
> > > We still have a month to go till April 1st, so I guess we can rule
> > >out the April Fool's day gag. :)
> > Yeah, that's the day in 1990 Scott asked me out, by email. One gag's
> > enough...
> >
> > > Any chance we will see this on the NUON ?
> > None. VM Labs chose not to offer us funding for such a project.
> >
> > > That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!?
> > [...]
> > > That is nice and all, but ALL profits?!? :)
> > While what we'll make is probably nothing at which to sneeze, it's about
> > a month of salary for one Silicon Valley coder, at best. Feels good to
> > do it, too, and there are large amounts of self-interest involved
> > (I've been diabetic since 1973).
> >
> > > (Smile) Well, I guess there was some room in that "packed"
> > >cartridge of Battlesphere afteral.
Lorr
TJ wrote in message <38BFAFEA...@jino.com>...
>Ehi, I've a question: how many battlesphere cartridge has been producted?
"Have been," is one. "Will be," is approximately 1000.
With meddlesome charm,
MegaData
Glenn Saunders
<nospam...@nothanks.com> wrote:
>As a collectors item, yes. it will only go up in value. Plus is has a
>certain coolness factor. 20 years from now, it will be one of the
>games people will still be interested in seeing Battlesphere. As for
>game play...no not really. Of course I'm of the opinion that no game
>is worth $75. So take it from there..
Battlesphere appeals to me the way, let's say, Solaris appeal to me on
the 2600. They are all ambitious envelope-pushing swan-songs for
aging systems. It may not amount to much these days, but within the
context of the Jaguar, Battlesphere has no equal in terms of overall
fluid 3D animation, PERIOD. It's the only 3D game I've played on the
Jag that doesn't annoy me with jerky refresh rates, and for that
reason alone it makes the game more timeless than, let's say,
something like AvP that today impresses only for the artwork, not for
the gameplay.
Battlesphere is a true software engineering acheivement. It's also
probably the most robust multiplayer game, with a lot of work gone
into getting the flaky netowkring stuff to run as well as possible.
Solaris also shares a lot more with Battlesphere. Solaris was written
by Doug Neubauer, who wrote Star Raiders for the 400/800 (an
inspiration for Battlesphere). Also, Solaris was written mostly
part-time over the course of about 18 months, the longest ever
development cycle on a completed VCS title. Simialr to 4-Play's
development cycle with Battlesphere.
SPIKE the Percussionist
also a GREAT album by COIL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Evan J Morris wrote:
> Scatology = an obsession with fecal excrement.
> I certainly hope, then, this post isn't just crap.
>
> e
>
> Scott LeGrand (var...@best.com) wrote:
> : SCATOLOGIC RELEASES THE LONG AWAITED BATTLESPHERE(tm) FOR JAGUAR AND DONATES
> : ALL PROFITS TO DIABETES RESEARCH
--
SPIKE the Percussionist
sinclap
sinclap here!
In article <38bb761f$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com>, Scott LeGrand
<var...@best.com> wrote:
> SCATOLOGIC RELEASES THE LONG AWAITED BATTLESPHERE(tm) FOR JAGUAR AND DONATES
> ALL PROFITS TO DIABETES RESEARCH
>
> February 29, 2000
>
> For immediate release:
>
> CAPITOLA, CA -- Scatologic Inc. is pleased to announce that the long awaited
> BattleSphere(tm) for the Atari Jaguar platform will soon ship, and that all
> profits from the game will be donated to diabetes research.
How soon? Or is it business as usual?
> BattleSphere(tm) is the awesome full 3D networked action shooter for the
> Atari Jaguar. The game was developed by renowned Jaguar, NUON, PSX2 and
> PC developer 4Play, which recently merged with Scatologic Inc. to form the
> newest industry powerhouse development team.
A good idea considering that 4Play is known as vapor...
> The highly anticipated BattleSphere(tm) combines the fast-action gameplay of
> a first person shooter with the nonlinear aspects of a strategic campaign
> simulator. Also included on the same cartridge are several additional play
> variations which range from a pure classic arcade action game to a
> multi-player networked deathmatch mode, where up to 32 players can dogfight
> for control of the Universe. The game garnered acclaim from players when it
> was
> demonstrated at the World Of Atari show in 1998, and it has received glowing
> praise from industry leading publications like Next Generation Magazine and
> Diehard Gamefan magazine.
>
> BattleSphere(tm) was completed several years ago, but the release has been
> pending for some time due to the fact that the Jaguar ceased to be a
> mainstream platform, and the software, tooling, and procedures required to
> produce cartridges were lost and had to be recreated. "The biggest hurdle
> was overcoming the loss of the software encryption key." said Scatlogic COO,
> Douglas Engel, who was one of the original BattleSphere(tm) development
> team. Scott LeGrand, Scatologic CEO, was enthusiastic about the team's
> effort to recreate the missing encryption key. He commented, "Generating a
> unique key ourselves allowed us to produce the highest quality game,
> cartridge, and packaging without resorting to risky unproven and expensive
> hardware bypassing techniques."
Sounds like an excuse to cover vapor..
> In an unprecedented move, Scatologic has announced that all profits from the
> sale of BattleSphere(tm) will be donated to diabetes research. Scatologic
> CTO Stephanie Wukovitz stated, "Videogames are stereotyped as a harmful
> influence on society, and we wanted to show that they can be a very positive
> factor. Donating the profits to diabetes research is our way of showing
> this, as well as a way to thank everyone who has helped us get this game
> produced."
Why not just lower the price and leave diabetes research to charity
groups and the government funding? Geezzz.$79 for a game in 2000 after
years of delay..
> A special autographed copy of BattleSphere(tm) is up for auction on EBay right
> now. As an added incentive, the high bidder's name will be digitally encoded
> into this very special collector's item. BattleSphere(tm) will begin
> full-scale
> shipping soon afterwards. BattleSphere(tm) is priced at only $74.99 plus
> $5.00
> shipping and handling (Continental U.S.). Orders outside the continental U.S.
> will require additional charges depending on the destination. California
> residents
> must add 8.25% sales tax.
Whats the street price?
> Copyright 2000 Scatologic Inc. All rights reserved. This article may
> be reprinted in its entirety. BattleSphere(tm) is copyright and trademark
> 4Play/Scatologic. All rights reserved.
sinclap!
somewere in WI
sinclap
> Ehi, I've a question: how many battlesphere cartridge has been producted?
Eh..probably zero! Looks like a Jack of T's trade..
>
>
>
sinclap!
somewere in WI
sinclap
<var...@best.com> wrote:
Would you want to associate with a person who has not delivered paid
goods? I can understand 'Chunk's doing that but you?
> Scott Le Grand
> Scatologic
sinclap!
somewere in WI
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
<sin...@nospam.net> wrote:
> In article <38BFAFEA...@jino.com>, TJ <t...@jino.com> wrote:
>
> > Ehi, I've a question: how many battlesphere cartridge has been
> > producted?
>
> Eh..probably zero! Looks like a Jack of T's trade..
>
Eh, TiFKAS' IQ is zero....looks like more FUD from a "man" pretending
to be an "Apple Power Rep" whose irrational hatred of Atari users has
obviously reduced his brain to cottage cheese.....
Daniel L. Dreibelbis
Known As Sinclap
<sin...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> Would you want to associate with a person who has not delivered paid
> goods? I can understand 'Chunk's doing that but you?
>
ah, obviously TiFKAS' hallucinations about his imaginary friend
"Chunks" - who is clearly his projection of his own vile personality -
is beginning to infect the other newsgroups.
The only "Chunks" he should be concerned about are the ones he vomits
all over the Atari newsgroups. Of course, he's also too chicken to go to
the mac.advocacy newsgroup, probably due to the fact that he'd be burnt
beyond recognition in seconds.....
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" if (Steve Jobs) ever returned to Apple, he would completely destroy it. He is an arrogant bonehead" - The iDiot Forever Known As Sinclap, right before Steve Jobs returned to Apple
Sean Connery
sinclap <sin...@nospam.net> wrote:
>In article <38bc114b$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com>, Scott LeGrand
><var...@best.com> wrote:
Ugh. I *really* hate to followup Sinclap. BUT. This reply from Scott
never hit my newsserver in its original form! POS... I checked on
another server and there it was, right after my post. It just slipped
past mine...SO.
>> Read our lips: Tom Harker is not part of 4Play or Scatologic. If this
>> makes you incapable of purchasing BattleSphere, then so be it.
Honestly?? That is revisionist history in my book!!! And I am not sure
why you continue to push it??!! It seems a silly thing to say, when you
can dig up 3-4 year old information to the contrary on the Net in 5
minutes.
I will concede the opposite, that no member of 4Play was a part of his ICD
or BCD "business" ventures. But Tom Harker was definately *portrayed as a
member of 4Play over the years*. Punching his mame into AltaVista brings
up plenty of old references to this fact, over many old interviews,
webpages, etc. Including, but not limited to:
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1) Tom Harker submitting BS info to Jag fan websites (3/96)
URL: members.aol.com/Jagkeeper/NEW.HTML
2) An interview with 4Play, in The Atari Times #9, March/April 1997. This
gives such info as:
"4Play consists of Scott Le Grand - Head coder and
BattleSphere creator; Stephanie Wukovitz - Music and computer voice; Doug
Engel (T-Bird) - Network programmer, artist; and Tom Harker - Business,
Catbox designer." Are not these 4 people where 4Play, as a name,
originates??
We also get:
"TAZ: What will 4Play do about marketing Battle Sphere? Any TV
commercials or US Tour showcasing the game planned? Do you think
BattleSphere will improve Jag sales?
Stephanie: I don't know exactly, probably not, and slightly. :-)
Better info from Tom Harker (ICDINC@genie. geis.com)."
URL: www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/8341/intv_4play.html
3) An even *earlier* interview, from 1/96, that describes the origins of
4Play, and the relationships.
"The money to finance a game was the only thing prohibiting them from
going ahead. At this time Tom Harker (known to the Atari Community as the
man behind ICD Inc., a manufacturer of high quality peripherals for Atari
computers) became interested in producing a Jaguar game. Tom posted a
message to GEnie, looking for programmers to write a jaguar game. Scott
and Doug responded, and they eventually formed a partnership known as
4Play."
URL: www.cwo.com/~holstine/jz/4plykl.html
4) I played BS at a Toad Computer AtariFest (the last one they held I
believe). Tom Harker was the one who attended with copies of BS, multiple
Jags, and multiple Catboxes. Did he steal all those beta carts from you??
They were quite spiffy looking in any case...
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>> The majority of 4Play saw no profit from the ventures of Black Cat Designs.
>> There is no "onus" on us to do anything. While we hope that you receive
>> your cat boxes, there is nothing we can do to help you. Black Cat Designs was
>> and remains an entirely separate venture from 4Play. Would you hold
>> a company responsible for the actions of its employees during their free
>> time?
Of course. It happens all the time!! But that obfuscation is not the
topic of discussion. We are discussing two companies, with a common
principal. Not what one companys prinicpal happens to sell on eBay as an
individual. Apples and oranges.
So in sum.
I understand you can't really do anything about the situation. And that
you probably have not talked to him in quite sometime. And wish he would
quit ruining the good names of the other members with his practices and
bad attitude. But like it or not, he is part of 4Play. No matter how
many times it is stated otherwise. Ironic then that you used the term
"read our lips" to refute the facts...since we all know the man that quote
is attributed to renegged on what he was talking about!
P.S.
Don't get me wrong. I'm happy its finally near! I wish it were a tad
cheaper, as I'd like two copies. But oh well.
Kyle Jones
> >> makes you incapable of purchasing BattleSphere, then so be it.
>
> Honestly?? That is revisionist history in my book!!!
Call it diplomacy, call them weasel words. He didn't say Harker
was never part of 4Play, just that Harker isn't part of it now.
It's the sort of statement a politician makes when he wants to
distance himself from some sort of political tarbaby, but doesn't
want to directly insult or humiliate the tarbaby.
I'd feel better if 4Play sold the carts through Amazon zShops or
some similar venue where credit cards can be used safely and
buyers are protected from fraud. Then no one has to worry about
Harker.
Scott LeGrand
Kyle Jones <kyle_...@wonderworks.com> wrote:
> > >> Read our lips: Tom Harker is not part of 4Play or Scatologic. If this
> > >> makes you incapable of purchasing BattleSphere, then so be it.
> >
> > Honestly?? That is revisionist history in my book!!!
>
>Call it diplomacy, call them weasel words. He didn't say Harker
>was never part of 4Play, just that Harker isn't part of it now.
>It's the sort of statement a politician makes when he wants to
>distance himself from some sort of political tarbaby, but doesn't
>want to directly insult or humiliate the tarbaby.
OK, so all of us at Scatologic are a bunch of weasels. I got it.
Next question?
>I'd feel better if 4Play sold the carts through Amazon zShops or
>some similar venue where credit cards can be used safely and
>buyers are protected from fraud. Then no one has to worry about
>Harker.
Actually, we're not taking credit card orders. While buyers are
protected from fraud in some minimal way (fat lot of good it alas
did the poor victims of the catbox fiasco), guess who will take the
fall for the misdeeds of someone no longer associated with them in
any way if someone out there decides to consider us a target of
opportunity? If this means you're not buying a cart, that's your
choice.
Kyle Jones
> > > >> Scatologic. If this makes you incapable of purchasing
> > > >> BattleSphere, then so be it.
> > >
> > > Honestly?? That is revisionist history in my book!!!
> >
> > Call it diplomacy, call them weasel words. He didn't say
> > Harker was never part of 4Play, just that Harker isn't part
> > of it now. It's the sort of statement a politician makes
> > when he wants to distance himself from some sort of political
> > tarbaby, but doesn't want to directly insult or humiliate the
> > tarbaby.
>
> OK, so all of us at Scatologic are a bunch of weasels.
Nope, just in an awkward position. I don't know you folks from
Adam. I only know of you from your posts to the nets.
> > I'd feel better if 4Play sold the carts through Amazon zShops or
> > some similar venue where credit cards can be used safely and
> > buyers are protected from fraud. Then no one has to worry about
> > Harker.
>
> Actually, we're not taking credit card orders. While buyers are
> protected from fraud in some minimal way
Not minimal. Amazon and eBay both offer insurance which will
give the buyer a full refund (up to $250 or so per claim) if
there's a problem.
> (fat lot of good it alas did the poor victims of the catbox
> fiasco), guess who will take the fall for the misdeeds of
> someone no longer associated with them in any way if someone
> out there decides to consider us a target of opportunity? If
> this means you're not buying a cart, that's your choice.
You wouldn't have to accept the cards directly. Amazon offers this
as a service. They accept the card as payment and dump the money in
your bank account, minus a transaction fee. eBay/Billpoint has a
similar setup, I think. You don't see the card numbers or otherwise
have to mess with the cards in any way. I really think you should
consider using one of these intermediary services if you're worried
about being victimized or just want to give your buyers some sense of
security. I think everyone would win in a setup like this.
Disclaimer: I work for Amazon.
William Kendrick
: Actually, we're not taking credit card orders. While buyers are
: protected from fraud in some minimal way (fat lot of good it alas
: did the poor victims of the catbox fiasco), guess who will take the
: fall for the misdeeds of someone no longer associated with them in
: any way if someone out there decides to consider us a target of
: opportunity? If this means you're not buying a cart, that's your
: choice.
So how and when will carts be for sale? The auction's been over a while. :)
-bill!
Scott LeGrand
William Kendrick <n...@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
>So how and when will carts be for sale? The auction's been over a while. :)
Money order or cashier's checks. We're just waiting on transferring the
DNS info for the relevant domains and away we go...
Scott
Michael Clemmetsen
do this?
Michael
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Sean Connery
Scott LeGrand <var...@best.com> wrote:
>Money order or cashier's checks. We're just waiting on transferring the
>DNS info for the relevant domains and away we go...
You mean battlesphere.com ??
/homej/bond> whois battlesphere.com
Whois Server Version 1.1
Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: BATTLESPHERE.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS15.WORLDNIC.COM
Name Server: NS16.WORLDNIC.COM
Updated Date: 20-oct-1999
Steve Jacobs
accepted? IE, All customers MUST use either a money order or a cashiers
check?
I understand the potential problems credit cards and/or personal checks
can bring, but money orders or cashiers checks are a real pain in the
butt.
Finally, is what you're writing here set in stone, or are things still
undetermined and this is just speculative?
Steve
Scott LeGrand wrote:
>
> In article <nE1x4.141$uN4....@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> William Kendrick <n...@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
> >So how and when will carts be for sale? The auction's been over a while. :)
>
> Money order or cashier's checks. We're just waiting on transferring the
> DNS info for the relevant domains and away we go...
>
> Scott
Dave Smith
> Actually, we're not taking credit card orders. While buyers are protected from
> fraud in some minimal way (fat lot of good it alas did the poor victims of the
> catbox fiasco), guess who will take the fall for the misdeeds of someone no
> longer associated with them in any way if someone out there decides to consider
> us a target of opportunity? If this means you're not buying a cart, that's
> your choice.
Scott,
I will make the same suggestion to you and the 4Play / ScatoLOGIC crew that i
made earlier to Carl Forhan, which could enable you to safely sell BattleSphere
via credit card, make more money for diabetes research, and save money for your
customers.
You might want to investigate a service called PayPal . This service allows
anyone to use a credit card to make payments via the web. Currently, PayPal is
offering $10 to everyone who signs up for their service, and $10 to the person
who refers each new customer.
Once the buyer and seller are registered, the buyer can use his credit card to
send payments to the seller. I will not attempt to explain all the details, as
i'm sure you will want to research them for yourself at PayPal's site and through
independent reports.
I saw someone earlier question the legitimacy or security of PayPal, and i did a
search on DejaNews to find out for myself what people's experience has been with
the service. While some people complained that PayPal customers have been
spamming newsgroups, i have not seen anyone complain that the service is not
legitimate, secure, or reliable.
Here's the link: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=da...@mitre.org
I'm not connected with PayPal in any way, and the only thing i stand to gain is
$10 from anyone who uses the above link to register. And for anyone who has a
problem with that, you can obviously edit the link and cut off my referral info.
If 4Play / ScatoLOGIC does decide to make this payment method available (as Carl
Forhan did), i'd rather have Jaguar fans wait and register via 4Play /
ScatoLOGIC's link, so that the referral money can go towards diabetes research.
(My dad had, and my sister and both brothers have, type II diabetes, so i am
certainly in favor of supporting such a worthy cause!)
(Of course, if anyone reading this is not planning to buy BattleSphere, feel free
to use my link above to register :-) ).
As long as i'm responding here, let me also take this opportunity, as one who has
lurked in the Jaguar community for several years but seldom made myself heard, to
say congratulations to 4Play / ScatoLOGIC! I am eagerly looking forward to
buying a copy of BattleSphere.
...dave
Scott LeGrand
>You might want to investigate a service called PayPal . This service allows
>anyone to use a credit card to make payments via the web. Currently, PayPal is
>offering $10 to everyone who signs up for their service, and $10 to the person
>who refers each new customer.
It's an interesting suggestion, but I wonder how many people would be comfortable
having their personal info marketed off in exchange for using this service?
It's a better idea than doing >ANYTHING< through Amazon though...
>As long as i'm responding here, let me also take this opportunity, as one who has
>lurked in the Jaguar community for several years but seldom made myself heard, to
>say congratulations to 4Play / ScatoLOGIC! I am eagerly looking forward to
>buying a copy of BattleSphere.
Thank you! Like I said, Paypals is an interesting idea. How do they credit
sellers?
Scott
Scott LeGrand
Steve Jacobs <steve_...@iname.com> wrote:
>Do you mean to say neither credit cards NOR personal checks will be
>accepted? IE, All customers MUST use either a money order or a cashiers
>check?
We'll accept personal checks, but we'll be sitting on them until
they clear. This can take anywhere from 3 to 30 business days. We'll
clear cashier's checks and money orders immediately.
>I understand the potential problems credit cards and/or personal checks
>can bring, but money orders or cashiers checks are a real pain in the
>butt.
Getting either of the above is nuthin' compared to what it took to
get this thing published. My bank issues them for free if you have
an account. If yours doesn't, you're probably at the wrong bank.
>Finally, is what you're writing here set in stone, or are things still
>undetermined and this is just speculative?
Paypals is interesting but it's obvious that they're collecting the
personal info and selling it off. I also found it amusing that an
Amazon employee was giving us $h!+ for a previous associate's activities
in the face of their current employer's patent antics. I'd consider
zShops if it weren't for that issue. I can afford to have a conscience
with this matter.
Scott
for...@my-deja.com
>
> Paypals is interesting but it's obvious that they're collecting the
> personal info and selling it off.
Actually, that's not the case. From their web pages (and yes, if you're
of the suspicious type, I suppose you could assume they're lying):
"We will not give away, sell or otherwise disclose any information that
personally identifies you."
So if you're wondering how PayPal makes their money if they don't sell
personal info, it seems almost too simple: they're expecting many people
to leave the money on PayPal for convenience, and thus they can invest /
earn interest while you let the money sit there.
Songbird currently has a number of very happy customers using PayPal.
Here's the link for more info:
https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=forhan%40yahoo.com
(Yes, Songbird will receive a referral bonus from anyone who signs up
via the above link. So will the person who signs up.)
Sincerely,
Carl Forhan
Songbird Productions
http://songbird.atari.net
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
for...@my-deja.com
var...@best.com (Scott LeGrand) wrote:
>
> Thank you! Like I said, Paypals is an interesting idea. How do they
> credit sellers?
The buyer is charged the desired amount on his credit card. A deposit is
then made into a "virtual account" for the seller. This is real money,
not beenz or myPoints or eDollars or something.
The seller can at any time request a printed check or a direct bank
deposit (electronic funds transfer).
PayPal is also not an escrow service, so they do have disclaimers that
they can't provide a guarantee on goods purchased, etc. It's simply a
service for transferring money from one party to another, and the buyer
must ALWAYS approve any transactions (i.e., there is no way for a seller
to simply charge a card and take the money -- sellers never see the
credit card numbers).
Sean Connery
Steve Jacobs <steve_...@iname.com> wrote:
>Do you mean to say neither credit cards NOR personal checks will be
>accepted? IE, All customers MUST use either a money order or a cashiers
>check?
>
>can bring, but money orders or cashiers checks are a real pain in the
>butt.
>
>undetermined and this is just speculative?
It is more than just a "pain in the butt" issue. They involve drudging to
the bank, but it's no big deal.
I understand CCs carry overhead, which stinks. And I understand personal
checks can bounce. But come on... They are also two methods which give
the consumer protection. Money orders and cashiers checks don't. The
seller having all the "protection" in basically what is a cash sale isn't
very...appealing. Especially considering the pitfalls (and I am *not*
blathering just about Catboxes again, there was that Atari 2600 home brew
cart problem, and plenty of others).
I used to send off money orders for under $20 for old-style
(pre-eBay) classics auctions. Never got juked, but if I did, hey, it
wasn't that much. I think you'll find tho that people take a different
view of sending off $80-240 cash in the mail...
IMHO, another solution should really be found.
UNLESS. You feel you can trust the 30 of us left who actually care to do
business, the "Hardysoft" style way. He would send your order, and if it
was kosher, you'd send him a personal check. Since he did it for so many
years I can't imagine he got burned that bad. And the few times it
may have happened, it was an overall lower cost incursion than paying 3%
to VISA.
This method involved no payments for processing fees, and put the greater
"trust" level where it belongs, the seller (not the buyer). I would be
happy to pay with a cashiers check or money order *after* I receive the
goods. The other way around is not that appealing. It certainly won't
increase sales, which means it will only decrease them.
But hey. It wouldn't be BattleSphere we were discussing if every last
possible aspect about it were not up in doubt, not set in stone, and
debated to hell and back.
Scott LeGrand
>In article <38c612dc$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
> var...@best.com (Scott LeGrand) wrote:
>>
>> Thank you! Like I said, Paypals is an interesting idea. How do they
>> credit sellers?
>
>The buyer is charged the desired amount on his credit card. A deposit is
>then made into a "virtual account" for the seller. This is real money,
>not beenz or myPoints or eDollars or something.
>
>The seller can at any time request a printed check or a direct bank
>deposit (electronic funds transfer).
>
>PayPal is also not an escrow service, so they do have disclaimers that
>they can't provide a guarantee on goods purchased, etc. It's simply a
>service for transferring money from one party to another, and the buyer
>must ALWAYS approve any transactions (i.e., there is no way for a seller
>to simply charge a card and take the money -- sellers never see the
>credit card numbers).
So what happens in the event that the buyer disputes the charge or
the credit card turns out to be stolen? It's obvious already that
the buyer has no protection here from Paypals, but I'm interested
in how the wheels spin. Two people could churn a lot of money with
a bogus bank account and a bunch of stolen credit cards so there has
to be >SOMETHING< in place to stop it.
Scott
for...@millcomm.com
Of course. They do monitor the transaction amounts, frequency, etc. But
rather than me trying to further summarize their behaviors from memory,
I'll simply refer you to the PayPal FAQ and Help pages.
Carl Forhan
Songbird Productions
blom...@my-deja.com
apprehensive. Today I signed up with them, got $10, Mr. Forhan got $10
in referral bonus, and I payed off the rest of Hyper Force (finally!).
Seems OK. I may cancel my account after Skyhammer (or Battlesphere, if
Scatalogic decides to use PayPal as a payment option), but it's already
been useful to pay off Hyper Force.
---Doug
ps: oh, here's the obligatory sign-up link so I can get $10 :-)
https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=hplace%40loa.com
Glenn Saunders
>So what happens in the event that the buyer disputes the charge or
>the credit card turns out to be stolen? It's obvious already that
>the buyer has no protection here from Paypals, but I'm interested
>in how the wheels spin. Two people could churn a lot of money with
>a bogus bank account and a bunch of stolen credit cards so there has
>to be >SOMETHING< in place to stop it.
There is risk in everything. I have accepted personal checks to
Cyberpunks since the original Stella CD and never once had one bounce
or be revealed to be a forgery. I once had a check without an
endorsement, though, which I sent back and got signed.
(I understand credit cards are a tougher beast. Since credit card
orders on the web invariably do not have to have signatures, it's much
easier to steal.)
I've also had to accept a few cash orders from international
customers, which is a big leap of faith on their part too. I don't
encourage this, of course, but I process them anyway if they come in.