Jag questions.
Grier Huffman
consider me quite insane). I have a few questions.
1) How good are the *good* games for the Jag? (AvP, T2K, others?)
2) Is the CD unit really coming out this summer?
3) Is the CD unit really a single speed drive?
4) My favorite games are in-depth RPGs (not strictly fantasy, though).
The single speed drive wouldn't be bad for these, and the extra
capacity would be a boon. Are there many games of this type planned
for the JagCD?
5) Are there really new games coming out for the Jag at all (in both
good quantity and quality), or is this just a nasty bit of vapor?
All helpful responses will be greatly appreciated.
Stephanie Wukovitz
|> I'm considering purchasing a Jag (yes, I know most people would
|> consider me quite insane). I have a few questions.
|> good quantity and quality), or is this just a nasty bit of vapor?
Well, the only one I can speak for personally is BattleSphere :-)
In that case, definitely, sheesh, what do you think we spend most
of our time doing?? :-)
--
Stephanie W. Wukovitz st...@escher.mbi.ucla.edu
"...and, here we are...victims of mathematics."
-Londo, _Babylon 5_
KILGROE JEFFREY JAMES
Grier Huffman <g...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I'm considering purchasing a Jag (yes, I know most people would
>consider me quite insane). I have a few questions.
>
They're excellent. AvP is a real thrill, and T2K is intense fun
in the dark on a big screen with surround sound cranked way up! Other
excellent titles are Iron Soldier and now Super BurnOut. If you don't
have a PC, then get DOOM as well. Many of the others like Pinball
Fantasies are good too. Hover Strike is nice, but the sluggish frame
rate gets a bit annoying and the game is kinda repetitive. But still not
bad and a good challenge.
>2) Is the CD unit really coming out this summer?
Yes, August. Probably the first half of the month.
>3) Is the CD unit really a single speed drive?
It's a double speed.
>4) My favorite games are in-depth RPGs (not strictly fantasy, though).
> The single speed drive wouldn't be bad for these, and the extra
> capacity would be a boon. Are there many games of this type planned
> for the JagCD?
There's a few, not many. And you won't have to worry about the
speed of the drive, it's a double speed (as I said above). But RPG's
also appear to be lacking from the PlayStation and Saturn lineups as
well. So, I don't think RPG's are the proper genre to judge the Jaguar
on.
>5) Are there really new games coming out for the Jag at all (in both
> good quantity and quality), or is this just a nasty bit of vapor?
RayMan, Fight For Life, Ultra Vortek, Defender 2000, and more...
FlipOut an Ultra Vortek will be out soon. Along with another couple
titles. With RayMan and Fight For Life to follow. Should be an
interesting summer/fall.
Regards,
Jeff Kilgroe
Dark Science Software
Andrew S. Wheat
: I'm considering purchasing a Jag (yes, I know most people would
: consider me quite insane). I have a few questions.
: 1) How good are the *good* games for the Jag? (AvP, T2K, others?)
Mostly a matter of personal oppinion, but I think they're orgasmic.
Especialy T2K. The levels where there's just so much exploding that you
can barely see, and you've got this buz going as your mind shifts into
overdrive and takes the controls from you and you just watch the beauty
of those circly multicolor explosions... wow.
SBO and Val D'isere are also good fast but simple games.
Many of the better Jag games (AvP, IS) are quite a bit slower and less
hectic than that. But they are great because they draw you in. You
actually can feel like you're walking down alien infested corridors or
tromping around a city steping on tanks. The can't hold the gittery
atention of some video game junkies, it seems, but they're truely great
games.
: 2) Is the CD unit really coming out this summer?
All indications point to next month with 2 pack ins (not counting T2K
soundtrack and VLM) at $150. Also, there should be 3 other CD games next
month as well: Creature Shock, Dragon's Lair and Myst. Of course, as all
Atari owners know, "next month" is not garunteed to mean exactly what you
think it means. I'm hopefull though.
: 3) Is the CD unit really a single speed drive?
No. Doublespeed. Doublespeed. Doublespeed. Burn any magazine which
mistakenly says otherwise and unsubscribe. (Sorry, but that particular
rumor has really gotten under my collar.)
: 4) My favorite games are in-depth RPGs (not strictly fantasy, though).
: The single speed drive wouldn't be bad for these, and the extra
: capacity would be a boon. Are there many games of this type planned
: for the JagCD?
Unfortunately the RPG genere has been getting not as much attention as it
should with the Jag. Legions of the Undead is supposed to be comming
from Rebellion (that's a RPG w/ frst person perspective) but nobody's
letting us know anything about it. It may bea cart. Black Ice/White
Noise is supposed to be Cyberpunk action/adventure due for Jag CD in
December '95 (read: February 1996.) Hmm. The Robinson's Requiem trilogy
is sorta RPG I think (first one due September.) And the Highlander
Trilogy starts arriving in November or so. (Highlander is a set of games
somewhat like Alone in the Dark with painted backgrounds and polygon
characters.) But there's nothing Zelda like or Final Fantasy like on the
roster that I know of. Too bad.
: 5) Are there really new games coming out for the Jag at all (in both
: good quantity and quality), or is this just a nasty bit of vapor?
There really are! Pinball Fantasies and Super Burnout arrived last month
bringing the grand total to 26 games. I expect 2 games to make it this
month as well (probably White Men Can't Jump and (ack) Air Cars.) And as
aways the floodgates are just about to open! I count 52 more games on the
tentative release schedule which should be here this year. (expect about
half of them to slide to next year.) I should be very supprised indeed
if the CD and forementioned games, as well as Flip Out (which I believe
just entered production) and Ultra Vortek, didn't arrive next month.
: All helpful responses will be greatly appreciated.
I hope I was helpfull. Base your purchasing decision on games available
NOW. That way you won't be disappointed. In my oppinion the Jag is a
worthwhile purchase for just T2K, IS, AvP, and SBO. But in this matter
it is YOUR OWN OPPINION OF THE GAMES CURRENTLY AVAILABLE which is
paramount.
-Silverblade the Grey Wanderer
daniel l richards
on it anymore. It was purchased about 4-5 months ago new as part of a
package deal and includes around 50 games. The price was about $69 I recall.
Anyway, i will sell the unit w/ 2 joysticks, original packaging and all the
games for $45 (shipping included). If this seems unreasonable -make me an
offer. Thanks.
-- Dan Richards dric...@cis.ohio-state.edu --------------------------------
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not insane. I am a Tick."
- The Tick Omnibus Owner of Jaguar, SegaCD,
Atari 7800
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Jesse Lambert
>I'm considering purchasing a Jag (yes, I know most people would
>consider me quite insane). I have a few questions.
>1) How good are the *good* games for the Jag? (AvP, T2K, others?)
They're really, really, really, really GOOD!
>2) Is the CD unit really coming out this summer?
Yes!!
>3) Is the CD unit really a single speed drive?
No! It's double-speed. I thought everyone knew that by now...
Just don't listen to those stupid mags.
>5) Are there really new games coming out for the Jag at all (in both
> good quantity and quality), or is this just a nasty bit of vapor?
Yes, it's true, even if it is hard to believe sometimes...
>All helpful responses will be greatly appreciated.
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Mark Rathwell
Aliens Vs. Predator, Tempest 2000, Doom, Iron Soldier,
Wolfenstein 3-D, Cannon Fodder, Super Burnout, Hoverstrike, Syndicate
and Pinball Fantasies are games that people seem to really like. Others
are okay and vary in opinions ... like Zool 2, Theme Park, Raiden and
Troy Aikman Football.
: 2) Is the CD unit really coming out this summer?
Everyone hopes so, but this is Atari so no one knows for sure.
The CD ROM is a year and a third late, so I can't see how it could be
delayed that much longer.
: 3) Is the CD unit really a single speed drive?
No. This is a stupid rumour that started in Ultimate Gamer. Every
press release on the CD ROM, every advertisement and many Jaguar
programmers have confirmed it to be a double speed CD-ROM. Ultimate Gamer
is either biased against Atari and prints crap (ALA EGM) or didn't
actually review a real unit.
: 4) My favorite games are in-depth RPGs (not strictly fantasy, though).
: The single speed drive wouldn't be bad for these, and the extra
: capacity would be a boon. Are there many games of this type planned
: for the JagCD?
A couple are, but I don't remember offhand. Legions Of The Undead
is one, I believe Skyhammer and Black Ice, White Noise are others. Anyone
else help out?
: 5) Are there really new games coming out for the Jag at all (in both
: good quantity and quality), or is this just a nasty bit of vapor?
75 games are currently in development. Promising ones include
Defender 2000, Rayman, Battlesphere, Iron Soldier II, Aliens Vs. Predator
II, Primal Rage, Mortal Kombat III, and NBA Jam.
>> Mark <<
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Joseph Briatico
>I'm considering purchasing a Jag (yes, I know most people would
>consider me quite insane). I have a few questions.
Save your money.
>1) How good are the *good* games for the Jag? (AvP, T2K, others?)
Some games are OK. AvP is a killer game. T2K is way overratted.
There is not a lot of variety. Most of the games inhale rapidly (i.e.
SUCK)
>2) Is the CD unit really coming out this summer?
Supposedly, but don't count on it. No official release date yet.
Most of the better vaporware is suppose to come out on CD. This will
make the Jaguar almost as expensive as the Saturn , Playstation and
Ultra.
>3) Is the CD unit really a single speed drive?
No, double speed.
>4) My favorite games are in-depth RPGs (not strictly fantasy, though).
> The single speed drive wouldn't be bad for these, and the extra
> capacity would be a boon. Are there many games of this type planned
> for the JagCD?
Haven't seen any yet.
>5) Are there really new games coming out for the Jag at all (in both
> good quantity and quality), or is this just a nasty bit of vapor?
VAPOR.
I am sure that some good games will come out for the Jag. I would bet
that there will be more variety and quality on the other 3 consoles.
So far, Jaguar sales have been pitiful (150,000). With such a small
user base, most game companies cannot devote a lot of time or effort
to devlelop a game. Nintendo spends millions developing games like
Donkey Kong and Super Mario. Most Jag developers try to keep their
cost down to under 100,000
>All helpful responses will be greatly appreciated.
Right now, I own a SNES, Genesis , 32x and Jaguar. The SNES has
definitely served me the best. I would wait for the ultra 64.
Nintendo software ROCKS and they have the most 3rd party support
Joe Briatico
Mark Rathwell
If he can get one cheap, why not? That's what I'm planning on doing.
: >1) How good are the *good* games for the Jag? (AvP, T2K, others?)
: Some games are OK. AvP is a killer game. T2K is way overratted.
You're entitled to your opinion. However, I get the feeling you
aren't a fan of classic games.
: Supposedly, but don't count on it. No official release date yet.
August was what Atari said. I hope they stick to it.
: Most of the better vaporware is suppose to come out on CD. This will
: make the Jaguar almost as expensive as the Saturn , Playstation and
: Ultra.
The Saturn is still $100 more expensive in Canada. The PSX isn't
out yet and no one knows the official price. As for the Ultra 64, it's a
cart based machine and it is vapour at the moment.
: So far, Jaguar sales have been pitiful (150,000).
Will people *STOP* printing that goddamn figure! It is flat out
wrong. It's for the US only, and also several months old (read ...
there's been a price cut). The Jaguar has sold at least 200,000 consoles.
: Right now, I own a SNES, Genesis , 32x and Jaguar. The SNES has
: definitely served me the best. I would wait for the ultra 64.
I wouldn't. Nintendo is legendary for mediocre "me too" hardware
and monopoly tactics in order to keep prices high. By the time the fables
Ultra 64 comes out, Nintendo will have a pile of competition to face.
They waited two years to bring out a 16-bit machine. Nintendo lost their
85% share as a result because a little upstart called Sega kicked them
hard. Now they've got to fend off kicks from Sega (who is a much bigger
company these days), Sony, 3DO and Atari.
Chris
>
>I'm considering purchasing a Jag (yes, I know most people would
>consider me quite insane). I have a few questions.
>
> The single speed drive wouldn't be bad for these, and the extra
> capacity would be a boon. Are there many games of this type planned
> for the JagCD?
> good quantity and quality), or is this just a nasty bit of vapor?
>
the newest pamphlet sais it is a Panisonic double speed drive
Can't wait for rayman to come out
The Great Cornholio (((-_-)))
Mark Santora
>I'm considering purchasing a Jag (yes, I know most people would
>consider me quite insane). I have a few questions.
>
>1) How good are the *good* games for the Jag? (AvP, T2K, others?)
You won't finish it fast. T2K, the mother of all shooters. Iron Soldier
is the best mech game on any platform. It really rocks. Super Burnout -
like racing motorcycles like in the arcade, here you go. Strategy? Cannon
Fodder is a blast and Sydicate and Theme Park are also quite good. Sports?
Troy Aikman is good, Val D'Iserre Skiing is EXCELLENT. ANd don't forget,
the Jag has the "Best Doom Ever" according to Jay Wilbur of Id Software...
>2) Is the CD unit really coming out this summer?
>3) Is the CD unit really a single speed drive?
Light Machine for playing audio CD's built in. Included with the Jag CD is
Blue Lightening(an Afterburner clone), the Tempest 2000 soundtrack on CD,
and Vid Grid, take the hotest rock bands video's and scramble up the images
in tiles.
>4) My favorite games are in-depth RPGs (not strictly fantasy, though).
> The single speed drive wouldn't be bad for these, and the extra
> capacity would be a boon. Are there many games of this type planned
> for the JagCD?
RPG and looking quite excellent. Also, Legions of the Undead from
Rebellion - the people that brought us Alien vs Predator. Midnite has a
RPG called Dungeon Depths in the works. And Return to Zork is coming from
Activision.
All on CD - as far as I know.
>5) Are there really new games coming out for the Jag at all (in both
> good quantity and quality), or is this just a nasty bit of vapor?
>
have. BTW, this list is _NOT_ written in stone, but a good aproximation
of what is to come. Also, there are many titles in devlopment that are not
on this list.
=-=-=-= JAGUAR WORKING SOFTWARE RELEASE SCHEDULE =-=-=-=
JUNE '95:
Pinball Fantasies(*) cart simulation
Super Burnout cart racing
JULY '95:
Air Cars(*) cart racing/combat
Fight For Life cart fighting
Flashback(*) cart action/adventure
Ultra Vortek (formally Ultra Vortex)
cart fighting
White Men Can't Jump (with Team Tap pack-in)
cart sports
AUGUST '95:
Blue Lightning CD flying/action
Creature Shock CD adventure/sci-fi
Dragon's Lair(*) CD adventure
Flip-Out cart puzzle
Myst CD interactive novel
Power Drive Rally cart driving
Vid Grid CD puzzle/music video
Rayman cart action/adventure
SEPTEMBER '95:
Baldies CD action/simulation
Battlemorph CD flying/action
Battlesphere(*) cart space/combat
Charles Barkley Basketball cart sports
Demolition Man CD action/combat
Hover Strike CD CD action/combat
Max Force cart action
Pitfall(*) cart arcade
Robinson's Requiem CD adventure
Ruiner Pinball cart arcade
Soul Star CD action/sci-fi
Space Ace(*) CD space/combat
Space War 2000 cart action/adventure
Supercross 3D cart sports
OCTOBER '95:
Arena Football cart sports
Attack of the Mutant Penguins
CD/cart arcade
Braindead 13(*) CD action/adventure
Defender 2000 cart arcade
Dragon's Lair 2(*) CD adventure
Phase Zero (formally Hover Hunter)
cart action/arcade
Starlight Bowl-a-Rama CD sports
Thea Realm Fighters CD fighting
NOVEMBER '95:
Highlander I CD action adventure
Atari Kart cart TBD
Brett Hull Hockey CD/cart sports
Commando CD 3D action
Dactyl Joust cart arcade
Deathwatch cart action
Rise of the Robots(*) CD action/arcade
Varuna's Forces CD action/adventure
Breakout 2000 cart puzzle
Commander Blood CD RPG
Redemption CD action/adventure
DECEMBER '95:
Black Ice/White Noise CD action/adventure
Formula 1 Racing CD racing
Magic Carpet CD action/RPG
NBA Jam Tournament Edition TBD sports
Primal Rage(*) CD fighting
Wayne Gretzky NHL Hockey(*) CD sports
Sudden Impact cart action
Skyhammer CD flying/action
JANUARY '96:
Dune Racer CD racing
Iron Soldier II CD action/strategy
FEBRUARY '96:
Alien Vs. Predator: The CD CD RPG/adventure
Mindripper CD adventure
Highlander II CD action adventure
APRIL '96:
Batman Forever CD action/adventure
Frank Thomas Big Hurt Baseball
TBD sports
Ironman/XO-Manowar TBD action
Mortal Kombat 3 TBD fighting
JUNE '96:
Dante CD action
Rocky Horror Interactive CD adventure
>
Mark "Stingray" Santora
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Joseph Briatico
>: Save your money.
> If he can get one cheap, why not? That's what I'm planning on doing.
Why, the system does not deliver? It is money that can be spent on a
REAL system. A game system that has more than one game come out each
month.
>: Supposedly, but don't count on it. No official release date yet.
> August was what Atari said. I hope they stick to it.
Think about it. If they are having problems getting the CD out to a
lack of software. What makes you think that there will be a lot of
software available after the CD is released.
>: Most of the better vaporware is suppose to come out on CD. This will
>: make the Jaguar almost as expensive as the Saturn , Playstation and
>: Ultra.
> The Saturn is still $100 more expensive in Canada. The PSX isn't
>out yet and no one knows the official price. As for the Ultra 64, it's a
>cart based machine and it is vapour at the moment.
100 bucks Canadian = 60 bucks US. I'd spend the 60 bucks to get a
legitimate system
>: So far, Jaguar sales have been pitiful (150,000).
> Will people *STOP* printing that goddamn figure! It is flat out
>wrong. It's for the US only, and also several months old (read ...
>there's been a price cut). The Jaguar has sold at least 200,000 consoles.
200,000 is nothing to brag about after 18 months released.
>: Right now, I own a SNES, Genesis , 32x and Jaguar. The SNES has
>: definitely served me the best. I would wait for the ultra 64.
> I wouldn't. Nintendo is legendary for mediocre "me too" hardware
>and monopoly tactics in order to keep prices high. By the time the fables
>Ultra 64 comes out, Nintendo will have a pile of competition to face.
>They waited two years to bring out a 16-bit machine. Nintendo lost their
>85% share as a result because a little upstart called Sega kicked them
>hard. Now they've got to fend off kicks from Sega (who is a much bigger
>company these days), Sony, 3DO and Atari.
Nintendo has rebounded. Two years ago, I purchased a Genesis because
it had the better games. Games that were released on both systems
were usually better on the Genesis. Within the last year, Nintendo
has swithched the tables. Games like MKII , Earthworm Jim and Super
Street Fighter were better on the SNES. Once programmers figured out
how to program the SNES, it proved to be the better hardware.
Anyhow, nintendo has reclaimed the US market with games like DKC. In
the next couple of months, Nintendo will be releasing DKC2 and Killer
Instinct. Doom will also be released for the SNES. Nintendo is on a
roll and the Ultra is going to be hot!!!!
Henrik Torstensson
> From: bria...@gate.net (Joseph Briatico)
> g...@ix.netcom.com (Grier Huffman ) wrote:
> So far, Jaguar sales have been pitiful (150,000). With such a small
> user base, most game companies cannot devote a lot of time or effort
> to devlelop a game. Nintendo spends millions developing games like
> Donkey Kong and Super Mario. Most Jag developers try to keep their
> cost down to under 100,000
The Jaguar sales were in March/April more than 250,000. And it has been
priced at $159 ever since.
Check your sources! EDGE 22 Jaguar supplement page 4.
"So far, Atari has sold over 200,000 units in the US and nearly 40,000
in the UK."
This is not countig European and Asian sales. That would probably make
at least another 20,000 units, minimum. In March/April.
Regards,
Henrik Torstensson Editor, STen - A Swedish Atari Fanzine
he...@stacken.ct.se E-mail me Atari related news and information.
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Steven Scavone
KI>FlipOut an Ultra Vortek will be out soon. Along with another couple
KI>titles. With RayMan and Fight For Life to follow. Should be an
KI>interesting summer/fall.
Have you tried the cheats in Hoverstrike for the secrect
missions? If not.....
Enter these on mission select(except where noted)....
globe speed 4 and 6
alternate ext. monitor frame right+C+1+4+5(simultaneously)
unlimited weapons/sheild/energy down+3+4+6+7 "
toggle day/night(during play) up+A+B+C+7 "
extra lives 3+6+9+# "
level skip 2+4+6+7+8+9 "
enable secret bonus missions:
level 1 up+2+3+6 "
level 2 down+2+6+7+8 "
level 3 right+3+5+6 "
level 4 up+2+5+8 "
level 5 ???????? "
level 6 ???????? "
Try these out. :)
Steve
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Joseph Briatico
>* In a message originally to ALL, JOSEPH BRIATICO writes:
>> From: bria...@gate.net (Joseph Briatico)
>> g...@ix.netcom.com (Grier Huffman ) wrote:
>> So far, Jaguar sales have been pitiful (150,000). With such a small
>> user base, most game companies cannot devote a lot of time or effort
>> to devlelop a game. Nintendo spends millions developing games like
>> Donkey Kong and Super Mario. Most Jag developers try to keep their
>> cost down to under 100,000
>The Jaguar sales were in March/April more than 250,000. And it has been
>priced at $159 ever since.
>Check your sources! EDGE 22 Jaguar supplement page 4.
>"So far, Atari has sold over 200,000 units in the US and nearly 40,000
>in the UK."
>This is not countig European and Asian sales. That would probably make
>at least another 20,000 units, minimum. In March/April.
Whoopdeedoo
I don't think 250,000 is a lot to get excited about. It still is not
enough to put a lot of resources into developing Jag games. Simply a
matter of economics. Developing quality software is very expensive.
Joe Briatico
Mark Rathwell
: Why, the system does not deliver?
Depends on what you mean by deliver. As a student, I have a
limited budget. If I bought a new game system, I certainly wouldn't be
buying more than 1 game a month, if that. Currently, there are six titles
I really want on the Jaguar and about 15 more that are coming soon that
I'd like.
It is money that can be spent on a
: REAL system. A game system that has more than one game come out each
: month.
Check the release dates ... you'll see that it isn't quite as bad
as that. And BTW ... shouldn't this be in advocacy? This group is for
Atari news, not slamming.
: Think about it. If they are having problems getting the CD out to a
: lack of software. What makes you think that there will be a lot of
: software available after the CD is released.
Quite a few games are in development. As for the delay, I think
that many games have got to be closed to finished, now that developers
have had an extra year and a bit to write the software.
: 100 bucks Canadian = 60 bucks US. I'd spend the 60 bucks to get a
: legitimate system
A legit system that it has been hard to see. I've looked and have
yet to see a PSX, it's mystical games or it's fabulous price.
: 200,000 is nothing to brag about after 18 months released.
No, it's downright pitiful. However, it's not 150,000. When you
get down to it, none of the new systems are selling well compared to the
systems of yesteryear.
: Nintendo has rebounded. Two years ago, I purchased a Genesis because
: it had the better games. Games that were released on both systems
: were usually better on the Genesis. Within the last year, Nintendo
: has swithched the tables. Games like MKII , Earthworm Jim and Super
: Street Fighter were better on the SNES. Once programmers figured out
: how to program the SNES, it proved to be the better hardware.
Slightly better. Considering they had two years to scrutinize the
Genesis, the SNES was a laughable system. I know it has a lot of fans,
but it was barely a hair above the Genesis. Certainly not the leap that
the NES was on the Atari 2600 or Genesis was on the NES or 3DO and Jaguar
were on the Genesis and SNES.
: Anyhow, nintendo has reclaimed the US market with games like DKC.
Reclaimed? I doubt it. They might be slightly ahead at the
moment, but they are NOT the dominant company anymore. The balance of
power has shifted so many times. They were supposed to obliterate the
Genesis remember? It didn't come close to happening.
In
: the next couple of months, Nintendo will be releasing DKC2 and Killer
: Instinct. Doom will also be released for the SNES
Doom? Ooh ... ahh. Now that it's been played to death and has
appeared on the Jag and 32X already. Atari is probably going to pit the
SNES version (in all it's 256 color glory) against the Jag version (in
it's 65,000 color glory) in next X-mas's ads.
. Nintendo is on a
: roll and the Ultra is going to be hot!!!!
And late. Last time they waited, they lost a lot of ground to one
teensy competitor. Now they have three competitors to face and are
missing the Christmas season.
Henrik Torstensson
> From: mrat...@uoguelph.ca (Mark Rathwell)
> : So far, Jaguar sales have been pitiful (150,000).
> Will people *STOP* printing that goddamn figure! It is flat out
> wrong. It's for the US only, and also several months old (read ...
> there's been a price cut). The Jaguar has sold at least 200,000 consoles.
The Jaguar had in March/April sold more than 250,000 units. (EDGE 22 Jaguar
supplement).
Henrik Torstensson
> From: mrat...@uoguelph.ca (Mark Rathwell)
> : 2) Is the CD unit really coming out this summer?
> Everyone hopes so, but this is Atari so no one knows for sure.
> The CD ROM is a year and a third late, so I can't see how it could be
> delayed that much longer.
The problem is, as often with Atari the lack of software. They're
more skillful in developing hardware than games.
But now a software production cycle (18 months) is at its end a games
like Battlemorph really ought to be ready. And as Atari want to have
4-6 games ready I can understand the delays. All new hardware has
it, and if the games are good it's a good move in the long run. Jaguar
CD games will have to be as good as or almost as good as Playstation and
Saturn software not only in playability but also in graphics and sound.
I think that they'll [Atari] deliver the CD unit in August.
Howard Chu
Chris <mgd_...@deltanet.com> wrote:
>I like it, Even though this has turned into a jag bashing newsgroup.
>the newest pamphlet sais it is a Panisonic double speed drive
Gads, sounds like asking for trouble. (Panasonic being behind 3dO, after all.)
Of course, they would have the same issue going with Sony, eh?
--
Howard Chu Principal Member of Technical Staff
h...@locus.com Locus Computing Corporation
Robert A. Jung
>In article <3u57v9$n...@news2.deltanet.com>,
>Chris <mgd_...@deltanet.com> wrote:
>>I like it, Even though this has turned into a jag bashing newsgroup.
>>the newest pamphlet sais it is a Panisonic double speed drive
>
>Gads, sounds like asking for trouble. (Panasonic being behind 3dO, after all.)
Last I heard, it was still a Philips. Actually, I don't think the pamphlets
from Atari mention who manufactures the various components...
--R.J.
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Arthur van den Boogaart
>The Jaguar sales were in March/April more than 250,000. And it has been
>priced at $159 ever since.
>Check your sources! EDGE 22 Jaguar supplement page 4.
>"So far, Atari has sold over 200,000 units in the US and nearly 40,000
>in the UK."
True...
>This is not countig European and Asian sales. That would probably make
^^^^^
>at least another 20,000 units, minimum. In March/April.
I wouldn't get too excited about Asia if I were you. The other
European countries cover those 20000 nicely though. Which is still a
bit on the low side, but not bad considering *all* the advertising
over here ;-)
However, if Atari gets its act together before Xmas and do a big
launch, Europe could be a big hit for them... Don't count on many
people buying the high priced Saturn and PSX. With a steady flow of
good games, Atari can at least survive (win?) the next two Xmas
seasons. _If_ the consumers can buy the product at 'normal' stores
(non import) and if they have some advertising that is. It will be a
big hit for 99$.
Nintendo won't know what hit 'm... People could afford a SNES at 89$,
now a U64 at 250$? We will see. Not at Xmas '96, maybe '97 (if they
lower their price)?
I'm not talking about Japan here.
- Arthur -
Arthur van den Boogaart
> Doom? Ooh ... ahh. Now that it's been played to death and has
>appeared on the Jag and 32X already. Atari is probably going to pit the
>SNES version (in all it's 256 color glory) against the Jag version (in
>it's 65,000 color glory) in next X-mas's ads.
Doom coming on the SNES _is_ a smart move from Nintendo. They don't
have the the U64 ready and keep people happy with their SNES,
preventing them from buying a new next gen system. It's called
planning, and Nintendo is pretty good at it too.
Don't expect 'hot' titles like Doom or KI after the U64 arrives
though. People have to buy the U64, don't they?
Now if Atari gets its 99$ Jag ready for Xmas, and if they pack it with
Doom :-) (What a day for a daydream...)
- Arthur -
sincl...@cobra.uni.edu
The only problem is that know one would know and care..
>
> - Arthur -
>
Who needs 64 bit titles...Thats why I love my Jag...
Peter Sinclair-Day Performa 636/8-250/CD
University of Northern Iowa
We're in the clutches of a bunch of folks trying to turn the U.S. into
a third world country. Two hundred billionaires and 260 million poor
people. And they haven't done enough damage yet to be beaten.
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Mark Rathwell
: I don't think 250,000 is a lot to get excited about.
You're right. However, nothing out there from the next generation
has the sales figures to get excited about. 3DO? 700,000 machines. Oooh
... ahhh. 16 million SNES and Genesis consoles. 32X? 200,000 to 300,000
machines.
Henrik Torstensson
> From: bria...@gate.net (Joseph Briatico)
> mrat...@uoguelph.ca (Mark Rathwell) wrote:
> Will people *STOP* printing that goddamn figure! It is flat out
> >wrong. It's for the US only, and also several months old (read ...
> >there's been a price cut). The Jaguar has sold at least 200,000 consoles.
> 200,000 is nothing to brag about after 18 months released.
Atari had sold more than 250,000 Jaguars in March/April according to
EDGE 22 Jaguar Supplement. And I think they've sold some systems since
then.
Eric Pobirs
Rathwell) writes:
>
>
>: I don't think 250,000 is a lot to get excited about.
>
> You're right. However, nothing out there from the next generation
>has the sales figures to get excited about. 3DO? 700,000 machines.
Oooh
>... ahhh. 16 million SNES and Genesis consoles. 32X? 200,000 to
300,000
>machines.
>
The latest figures I've found in the less bombastic trade is 20
million SNES and 19.2 million Genesis (including JVC) systems. The
really interesting part is that both systems nearly double their
installed base in the last year and a half. This is after both the
Jaguar and 3DO hit the market. This is also about the same time the
systems fell under $100. It would appear that price is a very powerful
selling point. The high availability of used and heavily discounted
titles certainly helps but may have an adverse effect on independent
developers. If Atari could get the Jaguar base unit down near $100 the
installed base could easily double or better. That should serve to
attract developers abandoning the SNES/Genesis who also find multimedia
style production too expensive. I like the idea of small companies
producing truly unique titles that a bigger company might shy away
from. Any thoughts on this, Scott?
Arthur van den Boogaart
>> Now if Atari gets its 99$ Jag ready for Xmas, and if they pack it with
>> Doom :-) (What a day for a daydream...)
>The only problem is that know one would know and care..
Was true. Is true. Will be true? There's a lot coming up Peter. Yeah,
I know, same story, broken record. We'll see, we'll see...
>Who needs 64 bit titles...Thats why I love my Jag...
Hehe, so how's AVP doing on your SNES these days?
Anyway, try to be a little polite every now and then, and start to cut
in the replies you send where possible. It helps to get you some
credibility. Unless of course you really want to like like an @$$ :)
- Arthur -
Arthur van den Boogaart
>In article <3uddeu$l...@news.xs4all.nl> art...@xs4all.nl (Arthur van den Boogaart) writes:
>>Now if Atari gets its 99$ Jag ready for Xmas, and if they pack it with
>>Doom :-) (What a day for a daydream...)
> Nah, pack it with SUPER BURNOUT. A good showcase title, easy to get into,
>and guaranteed not to offend squeamish parents. I can easily see adults not
>wanting to buy a Jaguar for Junior because it comes with DOOM's buckets-o-
>blood-and-gore...
Once again, you have a point. This idea however came up to compete
with the Nintendo Doom cart at Xmas, which will turn out to be quite
expensive IMO, because of the new co-pro chip. For a few more bucks
one could have a complete new system.
Oh well, make three versions. Burnout, Doom and Rayman (if it's ready
by then). Rayman will cost Atari some bucks of course, but I think
it's worth a try :-)
- Arthur -
Kevin Haley
>Oh well, make three versions. Burnout, Doom and Rayman (if it's ready
>by then). Rayman will cost Atari some bucks of course, but I think
>it's worth a try :-)
Jaguar system with Rayman for $129. That's what they need to really get
the ball rolling... ;-)
/Kevin
>- Arthur -
Robert A. Jung
>Now if Atari gets its 99$ Jag ready for Xmas, and if they pack it with
>Doom :-) (What a day for a daydream...)
Nah, pack it with SUPER BURNOUT. A good showcase title, easy to get into,
and guaranteed not to offend squeamish parents. I can easily see adults not
wanting to buy a Jaguar for Junior because it comes with DOOM's buckets-o-
blood-and-gore...
--R.J.
Henrik Torstensson
> henrik.to...@stacken.ct.se (Henrik Torstensson) wrote:
> I don't think 250,000 is a lot to get excited about. It still is not
> enough to put a lot of resources into developing Jag games. Simply a
> matter of economics. Developing quality software is very expensive.
No, 250,000 isn't much. But being almost half a year old figures it's
much better than the 150,000 figure being abused around here.
Yes, developing quality software can be very expensive. But to the best
of my knowledge Atari doesn't make any profit or very little profit on
the Jaguar unit itself. It's games sold and royalties from third party
developers that Atari earns money on. It would be interesting to see some
game sold figures.
Henrik Torstensson Editor, STen - a Swedish Atari fanzine
3
: Anyhow, nintendo has reclaimed the US market with games like DKC. In
: the next couple of months, Nintendo will be releasing DKC2 and Killer
: Instinct. Doom will also be released for the SNES. Nintendo is on a
: roll and the Ultra is going to be hot!!!!
You haven't seen Doom yet on the SNES, have you? Ack! Nothing like
running around at 3 frames per second.... KI is somewhat nice. And Sega
sold more games last year than Nintendo (with only have the number of
consoles)
Later!
Mark Rathwell
: sold more games last year than Nintendo (with only have the number of
: consoles)
Eh? There are roughly equivilant numbers of Sega Genesis consoles
as SNES consoles. Where did you get "half" from?