Question about new Donkey Kong 2 upgrade
Grimey
Mode"... that allows the player to play an entire game WITHOUT wild
barrels being thrown down at mario?
His 1,049,100 game was a fraud.
protoVision
Your entire existence is a fraud
Grimey
Wow, what a snappy, informative answer. Your the reason everyone is
entitled to their opinion, no matter how juvenile and stupid it it
is.
The facts are clear, Steve DID NOT play a standard DK game in his
1,049,100 game and I can prove it.
I want to know what trick , if any, that allows a player to play an
entire game "WITHOUT" wild barrels being thrown down.
All some one has to do is tell me how this is done and I'll re-cant my
statement. Untill then,Steves 1,049,100 game is total
bullshit......AND I CAN PROVE THIS!
Mark C. Spaeth
: On Jan 30, 10:44 am, protoVision <sirus.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
: > On Jan 30, 2:51 am, Grimey <mary_vern...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: >
: > > I was wondering, does this new Donkey Kong 2 mod have a.. "Steve Wabie
: > > Mode"... that allows the player to play an entire game WITHOUT wild
: > > barrels being thrown down at mario?
: > > His 1,049,100 game was a fraud.
: >
: > Your entire existence is a fraud
:
: Wow, what a snappy, informative answer. Your the reason everyone is
: entitled to their opinion, no matter how juvenile and stupid it it
: is.
: The facts are clear, Steve DID NOT play a standard DK game in his
: 1,049,100 game and I can prove it.
Prove it then talk trash.
Let me guess... he somehow rigged the machine at Funspot to play an easy
game too?
You know, the one that nobody had ever gotten a killscreen on?
...the one that Billy himself complains throws too many wild barrels?
--
Mark Spaeth msp...@mtl.mit.edu
50 Vassar St., #38.265 msp...@mit.edu
Cambridge, MA 02139
(617) 452-2354 http://rgvac.978.org/~mspaeth
goo...@brentradio.com
: 1,049,100 game and I can prove it.
Who really gives a shit? Get a life.
Or go play some donkey kong.
DKII is great by the way.
Brent
Grimey
> Grimey <mary_vern...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : On Jan 30, 10:44 am, protoVision <sirus.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> : > On Jan 30, 2:51 am, Grimey <mary_vern...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : >
> : > > I was wondering, does this new Donkey Kong 2 mod have a.. "Steve Wabie
> : > > Mode"... that allows the player to play an entire game WITHOUT wild
> : > > barrels being thrown down at mario?
> : > > His 1,049,100 game was a fraud.
> : >
> : > Your entire existence is a fraud
> :
> : Wow, what a snappy, informative answer. Your the reason everyone is
> : entitled to their opinion, no matter how juvenile and stupid it it
> : is.
> : The facts are clear, Steve DID NOT play a standard DK game in his
> : 1,049,100 game and I can prove it.
>
> Prove it then talk trash.
>
> Let me guess... he somehow rigged the machine at Funspot to play an easy
> game too?
>
> You know, the one that nobody had ever gotten a killscreen on?
>
> ...the one that Billy himself complains throws too many wild barrels?
>
> --
> 50 Vassar St., #38.265 mspa...@mit.edu
What did he score at FunSpot?
If he played on a"Real" DK that threw "real" wild barrels, I'll
guarentee he did not score 1,049,100.
I'm talking "real " wild barrels and not just soft lobs with a single
path trajectory that are easy to see, predict and avoid.
If theres an actual trick to making the wild barrels go away and stay
gone thru a combonation of joystick inputs or by a voodoo ritual
before coining up the game, I'm demanding now that it be known. I'm
humble, If I see a legitimate reson, and I can duplicate it on my "ral
machine, I'll re-cant or as an expert with far greater knowledge and
experience in the game play than you or anyone else here, I'm calling
bullshit.
protoVision
Go put your cock back in Brian Kuh - this entire subject is so tired
and meaningless.
Grimey
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What are you so afraid of prattel-Vision? If to you the topic is tired
and meaninless, does this mean someone is getting closer to the truth.
The truth is Steve wabie played a series of barrle boards so- easy
that the game may as well been set on auto-play.
I don't shill for anyone.
Your wrong about the topic being meaningles.
Maybe I should contact a hacker, taylor order a set of roms for me,
beat the world record and profiteer on a movie deal.
Chuk
> If he played on a"Real" DK that threw "real" wild barrels, I'll
> guarentee he did not score 1,049,100.
> I'm talking "real " wild barrels and not just soft lobs with a single
> path trajectory that are easy to see, predict and avoid.
> If theres an actual trick to making the wild barrels go away and stay
> gone thru a combonation of joystick inputs or by a voodoo ritual
> before coining up the game, I'm demanding now that it be known.
Who are you to demand anything?
Grimey
I'm the guy calling bull-shit on that entire game due to the fact that
there were no wild barrels thrown....thats who I am.
Mark C. Spaeth
: If theres an actual trick to making the wild barrels go away and stay
: gone thru a combonation of joystick inputs or by a voodoo ritual
: before coining up the game, I'm demanding now that it be known. I'm
: humble, If I see a legitimate reson, and I can duplicate it on my "ral
: machine, I'll re-cant or as an expert with far greater knowledge and
: experience in the game play than you or anyone else here, I'm calling
: bullshit.
So you're saying if he knows a trick you don't, then he either has to
tell you or you'll keep anonymously calling him a cheater.
What a pansy ass you are.
--
Mark Spaeth msp...@mtl.mit.edu
50 Vassar St., #38.265 msp...@mit.edu
Chuk
And tell me again why he needs to tell you?
Grimey
So what are you implying with this statement, that there is a trick or
cheat?
He needs to tell me just what was done and how to remove all wild
barrels from the game. If I get a real solution to this queston that
doesn't result in code hacking, I'll recant and step off. As one of a
few people that actually know better, I've played 200+ games of DK in
the last couple weeks and NOT A SINGLE ONE went by without getting
wacked by 1 or 2 wild barrels let alone not having any at all.
Untill then I say Bullshit on steves 1,049,100 game.
protoVision
zzzzzzz
protoVision
You should hold your breath until you get to the bottom of this
devious conspiracy. I'm behind you 100% - lets get to the bottom of
this so the classic gaming world can come off hold. Wait - this just
in... No one gives a fuck.
Grimey
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Thats right no one gives a fuck.
Thats whats wrong with this country and most of its people. It's also
why its in such rotten shape and has gone down the toilet as far as it
has because the masses don't give a fuck. As long as everyone is
placated with I-pods, Blackberries, electronic air guitar and
cellphones that make pancakes no one cares.
Obviously someone cares or there wouldn't be a movie and DVD release.
What do you think, they push those things on a market that "doesn't
Give a fuck"?
protoVision
Not giving a fuck about a 27 year old VIDEO GAME high score and caring
(or not) about the state of the world are two vastly different
things. To even attempt to make the comparison is moronic.
The DVD could be 2girls1cup.com footage and people would still buy it.
Go back into your dim lit basement, get into your favorite pair of
stressed boxer shorts, your robe, put your foil hat back on, put on
some Art Bell re-runs and shut the door. You'll be way happier. Let
the grown ups worry about things on the other side of the door.
Chuk
> Thats whats wrong with this country and most of its people. It's also
> why its in such rotten shape and has gone down the toilet as far as it
> has because the masses don't give a fuck. As long as everyone is
> placated with I-pods, Blackberries, electronic air guitar and
> cellphones that make pancakes no one cares.
> Obviously someone cares or there wouldn't be a movie and DVD release.
> What do you think, they push those things on a market that "doesn't
> Give a fuck"?
Please tell me you aren't serious...
Grimey
fingers stuck in your ears.
Why would you think I'm NOT serious.
David Haynes
Grimey
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I didn't realize your intellect was so simple, Here, let me simplify:
You said nobody gives a fuck.
I stated thats why this country has gone down the toilet, refering to
that general " I don't give a fuck" attitude (and it has, read a
newspaper)
I also stated that if nobody "gives a fuck" , refering to DK, then why
was there a film and DVD relese of this subject material?
Grimey
> Grimey <mary_vern...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : If theres an actual trick to making the wild barrels go away and stay
> : gone thru a combonation of joystick inputs or by a voodoo ritual
> : before coining up the game, I'm demanding now that it be known. I'm
> : machine, I'll re-cant or as an expert with far greater knowledge and
> : experience in the game play than you or anyone else here, I'm calling
> : bullshit.
>
> So you're saying if he knows a trick you don't, then he either has to
> tell you or you'll keep anonymously calling him a cheater.
Ahhhh...yea,..... thats about it.
>
> What a pansy ass you are.
This is your worthless opinion and your entitled to it.
>
> --
> Mark Spaeth mspa...@mtl.mit.edu
> 50 Vassar St., #38.265 mspa...@mit.edu
Grimey
> The facts are clear, Steve DID NOT play a standard DK game in his
> : 1,049,100 game and I can prove it.
>
> Who really gives a shit? Get a life.
>
gives a shit, duh who gives a shit, .........duh, who gives a
shit...........ect...ect...........
This is the typical banter of the average American citizen when
befuddled by a topic they don't understand.
Grimey
Again, read the statement above yours for the same answer in response
to this one.
docfr...@hotmail.com
have a long island.
all within 30 min
dude you need to get a job, i dont have that much time to waste on
such a stupid thread.
But i guess i should not, my life is much more fullfilling
Mark C. Spaeth
: I didn't realize your intellect was so simple, Here, let me simplify:
: You said nobody gives a fuck.
: I stated thats why this country has gone down the toilet, refering to
: that general " I don't give a fuck" attitude (and it has, read a
: newspaper)
: I also stated that if nobody "gives a fuck" , refering to DK, then why
: was there a film and DVD relese of this subject material?
Because the American public likes to laugh at subcutures.
Yes, that's right... everyone in the theatres was laughing at the
tools who take high scores in 25 year old video games that seriously...
Get a life.
--
Mark Spaeth msp...@mtl.mit.edu
50 Vassar St., #38.265 msp...@mit.edu
Mark C. Spaeth
: Where can I watch the full video to study it?
I can send you the blank tape that Dwayne sent me that was supposed
to prove Steve cheated :)
Looks like he got his copy from Ayra, so you could ask him too...
protoVision
It's 'you're' not 'your'
bso...@gmail.com
one of the best DK players and if he has indeed seen the full video
and noted an issue like this could have a legit point. Of course
coming off here not disclosing that fact and acting dickish just boils
the oil for people.
Seems everyone's focused so much on the million point score and likes
to pretend the funspot performance never happened. Even tim didn't
bother to respond to that post. Steve's put some great scores up in
full public view on public machines, isn't it about time all the
conspiracy crap took a rest? Steve, Billy, Tim and (to a lesser
extent) Brian can all play some great DK.. Stop all the lame
schoolyard accusations and just play the game. If a score was
verified by TG and Rob M himself did the verification and he of all
people didn't see this glaring issue and go public then there's some
deep rooted problems :) The longer people loyal to twin galaxies
stretch out political activism over the doggone movie the worse it
looks for them.
I have to admit, i'm bored with hearing people talk so much about 'i
can prove it' with regard to cheating yet here we are 6 months later
and nobody's seen any of the proof, just more and more posturing and
accusation. If people have something to prove, then do it.
Otherwise, drop it.
Mike Haaland
>David Haynes <d...@bombjack.org> wrote:
>: Where can I watch the full video to study it?
>
>I can send you the blank tape that Dwayne sent me that was supposed
>to prove Steve cheated :)
I've bitten my tongue many times reading this type of garbage...
AFAIK, All Steve's scores were legitamate. The roms were stock roms
on the DK board I sold and shipped directly to him, and it was fully
working when it left my hands, it was also fully working when I
recieved it back for verification. As far as 'strange globs of
material' on the board, every Nintendo board manufactured has the same
'globs' on T1 in the clock circuit. I'm talking DK, DKJr, DK3, 4
board sets, 2 board sets, Radarscope, etc. Claiming differently shows
how little they (Twin Galaxies) actually knows about the hardware.
They looked for any excuse they could find to disqualify Steve's
score.
Did Billy's scores go through the same hardware scrutiny? No. When
Billy's original scores were set, were there any rules in place for
what made a qualified board set? I doubt it.
The entire fiasco was childish. Twin Galaxies claiming that any board
that has been worked on (repaired) should disqualified is rediculous.
Because of this episode, I no longer repair, sell, or verify boards
that will be used in compitition.
Best,
- Mike -
gamefixer
>
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Your talking about Donkey Kong, not world politics. Calm down.
Matt
Mark C. Spaeth
: AFAIK, All Steve's scores were legitamate. The roms were stock roms
: on the DK board I sold and shipped directly to him, and it was fully
: working when it left my hands, it was also fully working when I
: recieved it back for verification. As far as 'strange globs of
: material' on the board, every Nintendo board manufactured has the same
: 'globs' on T1 in the clock circuit. I'm talking DK, DKJr, DK3, 4
: board sets, 2 board sets, Radarscope, etc. Claiming differently shows
: how little they (Twin Galaxies) actually knows about the hardware.
: They looked for any excuse they could find to disqualify Steve's
: score.
...but didn't ROY SCHILDT pay for that board?
IT'S TAINTED!
IT'S TAINTED!
IT'S TAINTED!
:)
Mike Haaland
>Mike Haaland <mhaa...@mikesarcade.com> wrote:
>: AFAIK, All Steve's scores were legitamate. The roms were stock roms
>: on the DK board I sold and shipped directly to him, and it was fully
>: working when it left my hands, it was also fully working when I
>: recieved it back for verification. As far as 'strange globs of
>: material' on the board, every Nintendo board manufactured has the same
>: 'globs' on T1 in the clock circuit. I'm talking DK, DKJr, DK3, 4
>: board sets, 2 board sets, Radarscope, etc. Claiming differently shows
>: how little they (Twin Galaxies) actually knows about the hardware.
>: They looked for any excuse they could find to disqualify Steve's
>: score.
>
>
>...but didn't ROY SCHILDT pay for that board?
>
>IT'S TAINTED!
>IT'S TAINTED!
>IT'S TAINTED!
>
>:)
It was never sent to Roy. The board was sent directly from ME to
Steve, and from Steve back to me. Roy, to my knowledge, never touched
or had access to the board set.
Best,
- Mike -
bso...@gmail.com
still be questioned.. There's what? 4 great theories on how wiebe
cheated?
The camera was rigged
The board was rigged
Roy breathed on it
The roms were modified
To date all of the big theories are either unproven or just plain
silly. If some great magic bullet exists and it hasn't come out in
almost a year i'm guessing there isn't one.
/b
Mike Haaland
Theory #5: Twin Galaxies just didn't want to give him the score,
period. :)
Tim O
<mary_v...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I was wondering, does this new Donkey Kong 2 mod have a.. "Steve Wabie
>Mode"... that allows the player to play an entire game WITHOUT wild
>barrels being thrown down at mario?
>His 1,049,100 game was a fraud.
Can I just interject that I love this thread and don't want it to end?
Are you the great DK player that other guy said you were?
gamefixer
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:51:48 -0800 (PST), Grimey
>
> >I was wondering, does this new Donkey Kong 2 mod have a.. "Steve Wabie
> >Mode"... that allows the player to play an entire game WITHOUT wild
> >barrels being thrown down at mario?
> >His 1,049,100 game was a fraud.
>
> Can I just interject that I love this thread and don't want it to end?
> Are you the great DK player that other guy said you were?
I love this thread too! I just cant believe that there are people out
there (and in here) that care so much about a high score on Donkey
Kong (I'm talking to you OP). I mean come on, are you really 12 years
old or something? Its not like Steve\Billy or any of the rest of the
yahoo's involved in this shit are getting paid to have a high score.
Wah!
Now, way back when a high score of the week meant a free large
pizza... That's when it mattered!
Matt
mrbi...@hotmail.com
tim scerbys play on dk. There are some serious problems with the way
steve wee-bees games play. Robert did not know enough to look for
obvious problems with the game play. I have involved a few killscreen
players in my investigation. Got a friend looking into the code.
I know what he did but i am involving more expert players and some
technical people in my discussion group. Steve is a software
engineer! That is the job he got fired from at boeing. When he first
contacted twingalaxies in 2001 he told us he could cheat if he wanted
to and i think because of potential financial gain he went that way.
His friends concocted the plan to make movie 3 years before it was
released. We got played in more ways then one.
I have made all of the tapes i have of these player available for
scrutiny to anyone who actually had the capacity for a serious
dialogue. One chap started off with a statement "you make me want to
puke. . ." but after i talked to him and sent him the tapes to see
for himself he was converted. There is no way bill "stole" anything
from steve. There style are completely not the same because bill's
games on tape are on the real game steve have the characters timing
slowed down so it is risky to jump any barrels backwards.
This is how i will leave it till we get more footage shot and edited.
But for all the naysayers, "you simply don't have all the facts, this
saga has been going on for seven years!+ and we have always treated
weibe with more fairness and kindness then any other player in
history. You can quote me on that one! But steve has been deviant
and untruthful, not to mention a crybaby over a video game score.
What is worng with being number two or three. It is not as if we make
any money off this. Or I guess steve and his buddies made a fortune
from the lies and deception.
It may seem insignificant but for people who enjoy this hobby the
truth must be told forthright and accurately so people are challenging
legitimate scores for Guinness.
dwayne
Tim O
It's been a long time since I saw King of Kong, so forgive me if my
details are a little muddled, but didn't Steve set scores that were
not all time highs, but were definitely in the ballpark on machines
that were not his own? That kind of vindicates him in my opinion,
since if he was cheating, he would get smoked playing in public on a
non-hacked machine.
I noticed in Twin Galaxies forum, this issue is still being addressed.
Walter Day has posted stuff as recently as January 31st with their
evidence. Not falling into either camp, I find the whole thing
strangely compelling.
Tim
Mark C. Spaeth
: This is how i will leave it till we get more footage shot and edited.
: But for all the naysayers, "you simply don't have all the facts, this
: saga has been going on for seven years!+ and we have always treated
: weibe with more fairness and kindness then any other player in
: history. You can quote me on that one!
Calling the guy a liar and a cheater for 7 solid years is trreating him
with "with more fairness and kindness then any other player in history"
(Hey look, I just quoted you.)
Walter's always been about his inner circle of players and doesn't give
a damn about anything else, especially "the truth".
: But steve has been deviant
: and untruthful, not to mention a crybaby over a video game score.
: What is worng with being number two or three. It is not as if we make
: any money off this.
Gee, Dwayne... weren't you just bragging on coin-op tv that you only
play games when there's money involved. and talk about how much money
you just made on the Pacman World Championships?
Wasn't there $10k on the line for anyone beating 1M047 at Funspot
back in 2004 after Doris dropped off the tape?
Nope... no money at all.
bso...@gmail.com
Robert Mruczek 'did not know enough to look for
obvious problems with the game play'. So, you're going to seriously
tell people that the head referee at the time for Twin Galaxies is not
qualified to notice OBVIOUS problems with gameplay on a marquee title
like Donkey Kong? Really?
It's been a year. If there is serious proof of wrongdoing then out
with it. PROVE beyond the shadow of a doubt that Wiebe actually
cheated, not suppositions or personal opinion of gameplay. Videotape
comparisons of gameplay proves nothing, you have to come up with
modified roms that behave the exact same way as the accusation
otherwise the accusation holds no water. Steve is a software
engineer.. so what. that doesn't mean he knows the language to modify
arcade roms. I know a bajillion software engineers that couldn't
begin to tell you how arcade roms work. The twisted web of craziness
is insane at this point. Now the claim is that Steve modified the roms
all by himself.. so what is the worry with Roy Schildt then?? The guy
that fixed the board came public in this very thread to verify it's
origins. Why does everyone always glaze right over the point that so
many people make, Steve hit some great scores in full public view well
within shouting distance of the current record and at the time it
actually WAS the record. If he's proven he can get there in public,
in Funspot with all the TG people watching over his shoulder on their
own damn machine by setting a record why all the cries of cheating?
Either way, seems to me to be far more likely that some egos got
bruised because of the behavior caught on film moreso than any
cheating that may have went on.
mrbi...@hotmail.com
time. Bill did that intentionally to give steve and donald for a
perfect pacman a chance to win some money.
mike h your facts are all jumbled the movie did not tell you what
actually happened. steve was the wr holder the whole time during the
making of the movie except for 2 days when walter updated the
scoreboard prematurely.
Steve never played on a ddk on any of his boards. he has used that
excuse for years now since at least 2004. it was the middle of 2004
when we started to check into the misinformation steve had been
telling a few referees. We knew nothing about roy in the picture till
after the visit from brian and perry. It was announced in the movie
that steve ws tainted which is bullshit. The film producers as steve
friends totally ingnored th reality of the situation to get emotional
reactions from the audience. People are definitely gullable which is
why propaganda works. I figure some of the audience has an attention
span a bit longer so they will keep an open mind to review what they
were told in KOk versus the whole story i will bring out to clarify
all the bullshit.
spaeth i didn't start accusing steve till i seen his 1006 tape that
is when i knew we'd been had. He got 985000 but there is no direct
correlation to getting 1047. he got 985000 at the funspot that is a
remarkable score. There is way more stuff behind the scenes that went
on with robert supporting steve to encourage him to play; It is hard
to reduce years in a single sentence statement. Your lack of attention
to detail doesn't help. I am going to go through the material i have
with the various people involved to be precise to make things clear
and people can decide for themselves who is full of bull crap and who
isn't. If i have a budget to work with from a major studio like they
did itwould make things easier but such as they way things go i have
to get it done by will power and friends.
I find the lack of awareness of more information with such hardened
positions crazy. The story is much more complex and difficult. I am
still learning more info everyday about how everything went down. I
will send you a proper copy of the 985 i have on tape of steve and you
tell me what you think.
The ddk issue was just a distraction the code is the same except for
the sound problem otherwise the games paly the same but that was not
the problem. we can't take scores on grey market boards. Considering
how many dk dkjr boards there are out there working a serious
contender can find one if they want to play. As wll as namco
releasing the multi mario bros dk dk jr have to make sure stuff is
original.
I don't sit around playing games all day but i started to play some dk
recently up to 500000. Steve's buddy offered a bounty for the first
public million point game but never paid. At least i know from
experience bill -pays out his prize money unlike these charlatans.
Has anyone with such righteous opinions been following all the
interviews from ed seth and steve. There are many contradiction and
edits when we press the issues and facts they make alterations. I
don't have all the money in the world and all the time. So i will get
to these things as i have time.
As far a robert goes he is a brilliant gaming enthusiast but no one of
us knows everything. He tabulated the numbers as he knew how. We
don't go headhuntering for something to do. We have never had a case
like this one which is why we are learning how to deal with it as we
go along. We don't put all our energy into because we have lives and
don't get paid to did this. But we do take it seriously!
Many scores as many people already know do get entered which is a
serious problem. I think there may be a crew of 15 maybe more maybe
less that deal with all these game scores and it is all volunteer.
I did not see steve's tape until 6 months after the funspot in 2005 by
that time it was too late we have been chasing our tail since but
eventually the truth will come out.
For all those who know me give me some time i wil get it done in the
near future. There was no time when we suggested we were perfect. We
make mistakes we have to correct. Steve deserves all the respect it
will take to present a secure arguement and factual exposure for him
to decide whether he wants to pretend or admit what he did. Because i
know what he did and the film guys know what he did and he knows what
he did. DENIAL changes nothing!
dwayne
bso...@gmail.com
publishing it :) Why not put up a webpage with what you know and
share this proof or is it more about the making of Dwayne of Kong than
proving your statements in the here and now?
So far all I see is a bunch of circumstantial stuff that roils the
blood of the TG crowd but nothing of substance. Really seems to be
far more of a personal crusade than anything else as you're FAR from
unbiased on the situation and I truly hope you're not acting on behalf
of TG in any way. That's like sending Brett Favre out to see if Bill
Bellichik cheats. there's clear bad blood given all the namecalling,
you sure you are the appropriate person to lead the witch hunt? Why
not billy? If it's so egregious, why not let him call the shots
instead? Probably because even billy doesn't give damn about it at
this point either.