Gamefan's Racism, the TRUE story of a bigoted magazine
IM D Law
*
On behalf of the original author of this post, I am reposting
this message to all pertinent newsgroups, in the hopes that Diehard
GameFan magazine will be shown for the kind of magazine it is. The
people at Diehard think a prominent Web/Freelance writer authored this,
other's think it was someone from a rival magazine. Well everyone would
be surprised to find out just who indeed is the author is, but the secret
shall be taken to my grave. Assume and Accuse who you wish, but this
wasn't written by anyone with any ties to any web/fan/maga-zine...
*
Without further adieu, here is the message in its entirety, which wasn't
supposed to have been distributed by certain people who obtained it in
confidence:
Monday, July 21
Written by X
This is a true story that needs to be told.
Please repost this so the word gets out to the people who need to see it.
When you called on the phone and asked where your games were, they
would tell you that they would be shipped out tomorrow. When you called the
next day, they would tell you that the games weren't coming for another
week, and when you called a week later, they would tell you that the games
had been shipped out two days ago. When you failed to receive the games,
they would tell you that the games hadn't come in yet, or that the shipment
they had already received was given away to the store's "special"
customers. When you asked why they hadn't shipped your order out as
promised, the person on the phone either hung up on you or told you that
some people had paid them extra money to get their copies first.
Quote: "I'm a tough critic - what you see here has most likely seen the
editor's knife (not the scores, just the talk)." - Nick DesBarres, also
known as "Nick Rox," August 1995.
And that heritage of dishonest business practices followed several
employees of the Die Hard Video Gamers Club from their humble beginnings in
a small California game store to the control of a monthly video game
magazine, Die Hard Game Fan, which began its life as a free full-color
catalog for store patrons. Years of operating the magazine for a national
audience have not changed the magazine's editorial perspective much, as
every issue continues to tout fully fifty percent or more of its reviewed
or previewed software as "my favorite... of all time," "perfect," "the best
ever," "everything you could ever ask for," or something "you really must
buy." Looking increasingly less like a magazine and more like the combined
promotional materials of the video game industry's largest corporations,
Die Hard Game Fan offers its readership a heaping plate full of photographs
alongside decidedly pleasant editorial content, spoonfeeding game-hungry
children the good news they want to hear while censoring the honest
criticisms that would naturally flow from the playing of a game.
"Our September issue was the aim (sic) of sabotage. The intention was to
include language in our issue offensive to the Japanese to damage
relationships and set our friends against us. ...The action was undoubtedly
directed to harm GameFan." - DHGF Press Release, August 18, 1995.
While opinion and editorial content are the protected preserves of
any publication's writers and editors, a clear line is immediately drawn by
readers between honesty and dishonesty in reporting, manifested in the
readers' use of the word "integrity." In a press release issued by the
offices of Die Hard Game Fan on August 18, 1995, the release's author
claims that:
"We are thought of by readers of all gaming titles as the magazine with the
highest production quality and editorial integrity. For these reasons, we
are the constant target of our competitors."
Yet within the same press release, the staff of Die Hard Game Fan
is lying outright to its readers in an attempt to cover up a series of
embarrassing events which culminated in the publication of a racist, drug
use advocating and profane game review. According to an uncomfortable
member of the magazine's staff, who alleges that Die Hard Editor-in-Chief
David Halverson is intentionally covering up a publication error to protect
a long-time employee from losing his job, the artwork for the September
1995 Game Fan review of Electronic Arts' College Football USA '96 was
digitally laid out by the employee in question, who inserted several
paragraphs of his own rambling and unchecked text within the page to
determine how many words would fit in the remaining space. Based on an
earlier Game Fan review of Namco's Ace (Air) Combat, the text is an
approximately 200-word mockery of the sugary Game Fan review format,
originally intended to read in full:
"This is the all mighty ace Combat. It will likely take the dubious honor
of most kick assest game that ever was (for a SIM) It has all the usual
components, speed, control, lots of lethal jets and a bitch load of air to
air missiles. If you don't jerk you head around the first time you play
this game you hadbetter check your pulse. as far as originality and the
latter you will be a little miss laid and the intro will only make you say
'yeah that is going to be the game on the ultra 64.' But other than the
obvious flaws in the tiny texture mapped terrors of the sky the game really
rocks. Th e sound track don't suck either, wow! Bonus shit or what I mean
what the hell do those guys at Namco smoke anyway. (wish I had some) I
think those little jap bastards love to freak, no I take that back I know
those little jap bastards love to freak on military Sims and that's cool if
your a little jap bastard but I am not. Us poor white trash from So CA will
just have to play it for what it is.. a video game and nothing else."
The same "filler" text may have been used to measure the remaining
space for text on other pages within the issue, but finished articles
replaced the filler before publication. According to the magazine's staff
member, the one-page article remained undiscovered because "no one really
checks over the sports section of the magazine," and the issue went to the
publishers on schedule. If you have trouble believing this could be
possible, realize that even the magazine's copyright notice has not been
changed since 1993 and you'll have some idea of the level of attention the
magazine's editors give their content.
While there's certainly cause for alarm when undeniably racist and
profane commentary appears in a magazine that purports to be "the greatest
proponent of the Japanese market and culture," the real problems stem from
Editor-in-Chief David Halverson's handling of the problem. Rather than
accepting responsibility for their actions and making legitimate efforts to
deal with the parties responsible, Halverson and his production aides
deliberately covered up their actions in an attempt to save their own jobs,
furthermore using their own editorial misjudgments as an excuse to cast
aspersions upon their competitors' reputations.
The unpolished text of Die Hard Game Fan's press release, which
appears below, is a sad and unfortunate attempt by Die Hard's
Editor-in-Chief to blame other people for his own editorial error.
Press Release From The Offices Of Die Hard GameFan Magazine.
August 18, 1995
GameFan, more so than any other American title covering the gaming
industry, has been the greatest proponent of the Japanese market and
culture. This is a known fact in the industry and among gamers.
We are also the fastest growing gaming magazine on the market,
despite the fact that our cover price is 20% higher than that of our
competitors. We are thought of by readers of all gaming titles as the
magazine with the highest production quality and editorial integrity. For
these reasons, we are the constant target of our competitors.
Our September issue was the aim of sabotage. The intention was to
include language in our issue offensive to the Japanese to damage
relationships and set our friends against us.
During the production process, text containing various profanities
and language offensive to the Japanese culture was woven throughout the
text of the issue. We were
able to remove the majority of the language. Despite our efforts, one
paragraph contained within an editorial made it through the production
process. By the time we discovered this, some of the copies were already
distributed to retail outlets.
Unfortunately, because our production process largely involves
digitized information on disk and it travels through the hands of several
outside sources, it is subject to this type of manipulation. We were caught
with our guard down, never having expected such an outrageous act. We have
put safeguards in place to insure that this will never occur again.
The action was undoubtedly directed to harm GameFan.
We ask that you accept our deepest apologies for any offense that
it may have caused. Please consider that the persons responsible for this
action intended not only an offense against the Japanese, but against
GameFan. This type of motive and behavior should not be condoned.
Carefully consider the circumstances and our integrity and help us
maintain it by not reacting against GameFan, but together with GameFan.
Sincerely,
Dave Halverson
Editor In Chief, GameFan Magazine.
Logical inconsistencies are everywhere within the text of this
press release. Halverson claims that they never expected this to happen,
but were able to remove the majority of the offensive text from the
magazine prior to publication. He then asks readers of the press release to
believe that the magazine's staff made the heroic gesture of removing
racist comments from most of the magazine, but somehow missed a page, which
raises an inevitable questions: "if you discovered that someone had slipped
racist comments all over your magazine, wouldn't you go through page by
page checking for the errors, rather than haphazardly skipping pages
looking for things?" and "if you were indeed looking for such comments,
wouldn't you catch something as glaring as an entire review being in the
wrong section of the magazine with the words 'shit' and 'Jap bastards' said
seven times?" Also, as Die Hard Game Fan is produced in-house within
offices in Agoura Hills, California (DHGF August 1994), the passage of
"digitized information on disk" to "outside sources" would have taken place
only after the issue's pages were laid out on disk or on paper and sent to
their printer, not during the process of compiling the issue's contents
within office space.
The nail in the coffin of Halverson's story is that if it was in
fact true, there would have been any a fired employee (the saboteur(s), who
would be easily traceable from the people who handled the "digitized
information on disk"), a filed police report of a crime, and/or some
aggressive action on the part of the magazine's staff to locate and punish
the criminal who, by rendering unsalable at least 300,000 copies of the
September 1995 issue, has cost the company upwards of several hundred
thousand dollars. To the contrary, the DHGF staff writer has said that the
magazine's staff has tried to put the incident behind them and is today
laughing about the ramifications of the press release, as they quietly and
only internally joke around about an issue which the world takes much more
seriously than them. By accusing one of their competitors of committing a
crime, they have not only done themselves and their readers a disservice,
but they have also overstepped every possible boundary for the word
"integrity."
As has always been the case, Die Hard Game Fan has underestimated
both its readers and the video game industry as a whole, foolishly
believing that such a charade could be passed off without further
examination. If you have personal feelings on this story, let them be
known loudly, as only the outrage of concerned video gamers will cause
this magazine's shameful actions to become public. What you have read here
is the truth that DHGF did not want you to ever hear, so now that you have
the truth, use it.
X
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terrell gibbs
:Written by X
:This is a true story that needs to be told.
:Please repost this so the word gets out to the people who need to see it.
[snip]
I was initially a bit skeptical of DHGF's sabotage story, but after
reading this attack, I am starting to believe it. Clearly, the guy who
wrote this screed has enough animosity toward DHGF to perpetrate such an
act. Perhaps that is why he has chosen to post anonymously?
John P. Hagemann
an16...@anon.penet.fi (IM D Law) wrote:
>
>*
> On behalf of the original author of this post, I am reposting
>this message to all pertinent newsgroups, in the hopes that Diehard
>GameFan magazine will be shown for the kind of magazine it is. The
>people at Diehard think a prominent Web/Freelance writer authored this,
>other's think it was someone from a rival magazine. Well everyone would
>be surprised to find out just who indeed is the author is, but the secret
>shall be taken to my grave. Assume and Accuse who you wish, but this
>wasn't written by anyone with any ties to any web/fan/maga-zine...
>*
--Bunch of stuff about Die Hard Game Fan magazine deleted.--
This is an interesting and informative article....but....Why did you
post it in rec.games.video.arcade.collecting. You spew on and on
about editorial faux pas and lack of judgement and yet you don't
take the time and thought to post this to RELATED newsgroups. Do
yourself and the readers of this and other newsgroups the favor of
not cross posting to EVERY newsgroup with the words 'video' and
'games.'
Not to mention, a person who expends as much effort to cover his
tracks and hide his identity as you have shouldn't accuse the folks
at Game Fan of not being accountable for their actions. I apologize
to the readers of rec.games.video.arcade.collecting if this violates
the spirit of this newsgroup. Thanks.
John P. Hagemann hage...@persoft.com
NINJA-X
>*
> On behalf of the original author of this post, I am reposting
>this message to all pertinent newsgroups, in the hopes that Diehard
>GameFan magazine will be shown for the kind of magazine it is. The
>people at Diehard think a prominent Web/Freelance writer authored this,
>other's think it was someone from a rival magazine. Well everyone would
>be surprised to find out just who indeed is the author is, but the secret
>shall be taken to my grave. Assume and Accuse who you wish, but this
>wasn't written by anyone with any ties to any web/fan/maga-zine...
>*
Sabotage my ass! <draws Katana> Watch your backs staff of GameFan.
"THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!"
-Highlander
Scorch -==(UDIC)==-
"Don't play with fire because you're bound to get burned."
-traditional
"Weaklings! Is there no one here worth fighting?"
-Akuma AKA Gouki Long, Street Fighter Alpha
"You cannot fight destiny. The world will be mine!"
-M. Bison, Street Fighter Alpha
James Mohr
>From: an16...@anon.penet.fi (IM D Law)
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 12:27:22 UTC
>Subject: Gamefan's Racism, the TRUE story of a bigoted magazine
>*
> On behalf of the original author of this post, I am reposting
>this message to all pertinent newsgroups, in the hopes that Diehard
>GameFan magazine will be shown for the kind of magazine it is. The
>people at Diehard think a prominent Web/Freelance writer authored this,
>other's think it was someone from a rival magazine. Well everyone would
>be surprised to find out just who indeed is the author is, but the secret
>shall be taken to my grave. Assume and Accuse who you wish, but this
>wasn't written by anyone with any ties to any web/fan/maga-zine...
>*
Yeah, I would be surprised who the author of the guilty article is...
It's probably X Actually, I probably wouldn't be surprised if it was X--It
makes a great deal of sense. X could be in with the saboteur as sort of a
"phase two of the big plan" deal. No matter who wrote it, it is only one
person who did it, so the whole magazine isn't to blame (If X's story is
true). If X's "story" is true, that doesn't mean everyone that everyone
who works for Game Fan is bigoted. It just means *one* person that works for
GF (maybe not even a writer) has views of the Japanese that could be taken as
racist. That person (if X's story is true) could be looking for another job
right now, and Mr. Halverson stated that steps were taken to insure that
nothing like it ever happens again. Why continue to gang up on them?
--James
Frank Provo
>nothing like it ever happens again. Why continue to gang up on them?
Because the magazine's quality has been an issue for quite some time now,
and it's finally reached a point where entire pages are going un-noticed
in the editing process. I think my main complaint, along with countless
others, is that Gamefan's writing quality is mediocre at best, and sadly
their editors seem to be just as bad at catching errors. Bad grammar,
misspellings, sentences which don't end, you name it - it's been in
there... and now it's gotten to the point where they have shown that they
don't even check some parts of the magazine. It's not that this incident
happened per sae, it's just that for me it shows how much they care for
their magazine's quality, which seems to be very little. Even the
scourge of truth EGM has better editing, which is simply sad...
Frank
Frank Provo - mos...@u.washington.edu "Wow, I want that man!"
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~mosaic - B-Ko's Posse (A-Ko 3)
> --James
James Mohr
>jpm...@primenet.com (James Mohr) writes:
>>nothing like it ever happens again. Why continue to gang up on them?
>Because the magazine's quality has been an issue for quite some time now,
>and it's finally reached a point where entire pages are going un-noticed
>in the editing process. I think my main complaint, along with countless
>others, is that Gamefan's writing quality is mediocre at best, and sadly
>their editors seem to be just as bad at catching errors. Bad grammar,
>misspellings, sentences which don't end, you name it - it's been in
>there... and now it's gotten to the point where they have shown that they
>don't even check some parts of the magazine. It's not that this incident
>happened per sae, it's just that for me it shows how much they care for
>their magazine's quality, which seems to be very little. Even the
>scourge of truth EGM has better editing, which is simply sad...
I always catch the grammar and spelling errors in all the mags I read,
but there really isn't that much. It's usually just a few errors per
magazine, which isn't too bad considering they are a "small" mag. How come
everybody here thinks it's so easy to edit a magazine before it's been
published? It's not like it's in magazine form where you can pick it up and
skim the pages. It's always easier to catch mistakes made by other
people than ones you've made yourself. Spell checkers don't solve the grammer
problems, like using the wrong word (i.e. "their" instead of "there"). It's
been about a year since I saw a sentence that was cut in the middle, so they
have improved. You used "because" to start a sentence, which is bad grammar,
so you can't complain about something that you haven't perfected yet. (Sorry
about that.) Sorry if this is hard to follow--I'm tired. People on this
newsgroup complain ***WAY*** too much, and it's starting to get annoying.
Once you get what you want, you just complain again and ask for more. (I'm
not exactly referring to you, Frank.) I agree with the guy who said people on
the Net are too sensitive to things. *Everybody* I know that's *not* on the
Net has too little free time to complain about our pampered lives, and so do I.
--James, who's almost had enough of this...
Bear
a clan of Beavis and Butthead clones. For a class magazine (IMHO) try
Next Generation.
Duane Laviniere
>jpm...@primenet.com (James Mohr) writes:
>
>>nothing like it ever happens again. Why continue to gang up on them?
>
>Because the magazine's quality has been an issue for quite some time now,
>and it's finally reached a point where entire pages are going un-noticed
>in the editing process. I think my main complaint, along with countless
>others, is that Gamefan's writing quality is mediocre at best, and sadly
>their editors seem to be just as bad at catching errors. Bad grammar,
>misspellings, sentences which don't end, you name it - it's been in
>there... and now it's gotten to the point where they have shown that they
>don't even check some parts of the magazine. It's not that this incident
>happened per sae, it's just that for me it shows how much they care for
>their magazine's quality, which seems to be very little. Even the
>scourge of truth EGM has better editing, which is simply sad...
Well, if it isn't the authority on writing. Thank you for pointing out such
insignificant things as spelling mistakes and grammar crap. If I told you to
shut your fluking mouth, would it be any worse than shut your fucking mouth? I
think not. Spelling mistakes are only annoying to people who are illiterate.
I simply ignore them like the rest of the thinking world. Now, the point about
pages going unnoticed does not exclude the fact that maybe the pages were
altered after the final edit. Yes, there is a step inbetween there. Why print
up millions of copies to go alter all of them for mistakes? So, when the final
edit was made, the computer was probably violated and thew change made. I
couldn't give a damn if EGM edits better. They still use shit cameras to take
pics and they still print false information. I think people just like to
ppounce on the man who is down. GF is down temporarily and you little kids are
acting like they've broken every moral code known to man. Get over it.
Flynn
Nick Des Barres <nic...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Yes! Thank you! Someone is actually sticking up for GameFan! MIRACLE!
>
>Nick Rox
>DH GameFan Magazine
Hey Nick... it doesn't happen often out here but it does happen.
Good to see you migrated out of Prodigy.
-Flynn
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Milton W. Kuo,,,
>Spelling mistakes are only annoying to people who are illiterate.
This is arguably the funniest thing I've seen on Usenet in a long
time.
>I simply ignore them like the rest of the thinking world. Now, the point about
>pages going unnoticed does not exclude the fact that maybe the pages were
>altered after the final edit. Yes, there is a step inbetween there. Why print
>up millions of copies to go alter all of them for mistakes? So, when the final
>edit was made, the computer was probably violated and thew change made.
I always thought that there was a proof before the massive print
run. I'm not in the business of publishing so I could be wrong. Any-
ways, I'll continue to take the time read Game Fan -- all 3 minutes of
it -- despite this troubling incident.
--
Milton W. Kuo
seg0...@bayou.uh.edu
Mr. Nutz
(super snip)
>Yes! Thank you! Someone is actually sticking up for GameFan! MIRACLE!
>Nick Rox
>DH GameFan Magazine
Ha Ha Nick, you should come by gamexpress and see Ziko! You KNOW it was always
better than DH's store! :)
This has nothing to do with the current subject (aren't you glad!) but since
you gamefan guys read this, I'll write it:
Just remember that you are writing to tell people about your personal opinions
on a game's quality, and not to boost sales at your store. Everyone one of you
knows that "Rayman" is mediocre at best and didn't deserve the rave reviews
and extensive coverage you gave it. Your "Castlevania X" reviews were
preposterous (I think one guy said Bloodlines was better!), and I still can't
figure that one out! Plus, I'm glad you guys love games, but how come nothing
ever gets below 65%? The only one I remeber was "Super Back to the Future 2"
for SFC which wasn't THAT bad. What would you guys give Eternal Champions? or
Technoclash? or SOR2: The baja? None of those games deserve above 30%.
Face it many games are junk, and most are not worth owning. How could you
(yeah YOU nick) downplay the quality of Arc the Lad when it is of obvious
quality! Didn't you guys also say how great "Gran Chaser" is? What crap!
O whell, that enough rambling, but please think about it. I mean yer mag is
good for Japan Now and Other sutff and thats it. Actually no Prozine has
reviews worth anything but a good laugh, but you guys could change all that.
P.S. Drop the sports section, PLEASE! oh and say hi to the little jap
bastards!! :D ha ha sorry!
John Marcotte
On 28 Aug 1995, Duane Laviniere wrote:
> mos...@u.washington.edu (Frank Provo) wrote:
> >jpm...@primenet.com (James Mohr) writes:
> >
> >>nothing like it ever happens again. Why continue to gang up on them?
> >
> >Because the magazine's quality has been an issue for quite some time now,
> >and it's finally reached a point where entire pages are going un-noticed
> >in the editing process. I think my main complaint, along with countless
> >others, is that Gamefan's writing quality is mediocre at best, and sadly
> >their editors seem to be just as bad at catching errors. Bad grammar,
> >misspellings, sentences which don't end, you name it - it's been in
> >there... and now it's gotten to the point where they have shown that they
> >don't even check some parts of the magazine. It's not that this incident
> >happened per sae, it's just that for me it shows how much they care for
> >their magazine's quality, which seems to be very little. Even the
> >scourge of truth EGM has better editing, which is simply sad...
>
> Well, if it isn't the authority on writing. Thank you for pointing out such
> insignificant things as spelling mistakes and grammar crap. If I told you to
> shut your fluking mouth, would it be any worse than shut your fucking mouth? I
> think not. Spelling mistakes are only annoying to people who are illiterate.
> I simply ignore them like the rest of the thinking world. Now, the point about
> pages going unnoticed does not exclude the fact that maybe the pages were
> altered after the final edit. Yes, there is a step inbetween there. Why print
> up millions of copies to go alter all of them for mistakes? So, when the final
> edit was made, the computer was probably violated and thew change made. I
> couldn't give a damn if EGM edits better. They still use shit cameras to take
> pics and they still print false information. I think people just like to
> ppounce on the man who is down. GF is down temporarily and you little kids are
> acting like they've broken every moral code known to man. Get over it.
>
> >
> >Frank
> >
> >Frank Provo - mos...@u.washington.edu "Wow, I want that man!"
> >http://weber.u.washington.edu/~mosaic - B-Ko's Posse (A-Ko 3)
> >
> >> --James
> >
>
>
>
John Marcotte
Editor
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Nick Des Barres
Yes! Thank you! Someone is actually sticking up for GameFan! MIRACLE!
Chris Miggiani
>
>In article <41uekv$r...@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> nic...@ix.netcom.com
(Nick Des Barres) writes:
>
>(super snip)
>
>
>>Nick Rox
>>DH GameFan Magazine
Man...you guys make me sick. So THIS is the only time that you come
out of your little shell?? When someone sticks up for you??? Why
don't you come out and try to explain your biggoted comments made in
your mag when they are PRESENTED to you? Do you let people stick up
for you in real life? Don't tell us "someone else wrote it" That's an
excuse I would expect from a 7 year old. Woops....I have to think of
who I'm talking to. Why don't you come out and defend the obvious lack
of quality in your editing. I've long pursued the fact that you guys
don't know the difference between to, two and too.....basic 4th grade
level vocabulary there.
Actually, if you guys knew how to edit thoroughly wouldn't you have
found this error before it went to print? If you say that this
"someone" wrote it right before it went to print (after editing), then
the structure in you organization is SEVERELY lacking. You should have
a series of checks and balances in your production scheduling to
prevent such mistakes...let alone the TONS of spelling and grammatical
mistakes which plague every issue!
I don't know.......when I think of you guys I picture a bunch of kids
cowering behind an umbrella dodging the crap that came from your own
device.
Oh.....and PLEASE by a thesaurus. Every time I read an incarnation of
"bliss" you guys just prove how limited your intillects truely are.
Chris Miggiani
cott...@ashley.cofc.edu
<<Duanes excellent article snipped>>
> Yes! Thank you! Someone is actually sticking up for GameFan! MIRACLE!
>
> Nick Rox
> DH GameFan Magazine
Uhh, Nick? You may want to stay out of the thread, because if I were one
of the people who hated you (as of my last count, there were four who
didn't, and I am one of them), I would flame your account to hell and
back. This is just a warning, though it may have come to late.
Robert
"There is no knowledge that is not power"
-Raiden
J.Caris
>O.K. lets get real. Does anyone truly think that a magazine publisher
>that relies on Japanese info and advertising would publish somthing like
>this on purpose. If you have a gripe about the fact that they allowed the
>article to get through their editing process, go ahead. However, to lump
>the magazine and its publishers into a group catagorized as 'biggots' or
>'racist' is ridiculous.
>Whether it was sabatoge,(which sounds kinda fishy) or one idiot at the
>magazine that for some reason thought it was funny, lets not burn down the
>house because someone saw a rat.
>Am I being totaly unreasonable here, or what?
Yes, you are. The editor's job entails reading the magazines content
and ensuring that nothing like this gets printed. The fact that these
remarks *were* printed can only lead to one of three conclusions:
1: The editor(s) are drastically failing in their work, so should be
sacked, or
2: These opinions come from those in charge of the magazine, in which
case the house definitely should be burned down.
3: Their excuse of sabotage is true, which is hugely unlikely IMHO.
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Nope. Not at all.
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Nick Des Barres
Miggiani ) writes:
>
>In <pcoyne.12...@ucla.edu> pco...@ucla.edu (Mr. Nutz) writes:
>>
>>In article <41uekv$r...@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> nic...@ix.netcom.com
>(Nick Des Barres) writes:
>>
>>(super snip)
>>
MIRACLE!
>
>>
>>>Nick Rox
>>>DH GameFan Magazine
>
This is not a GF internet account, it is MY personal account at my
home. I hate to say it, but it is not my job to justify what happened
to us. And we DID post a retraction in every videogame newsgroup. In
our upcoming issue, we have a retraction in English and Japanese... and
the spelling and grammar issue was resolved long ago. Obviously you
haven't read GameFan recently... if you did you'd know we have, by far,
the best text, layouts, screenshots, and information of any magazine.
It's totally unfair that we have to go through this bashing when the
main staff of GF IS NOT AT FAULT. It was discovered that a producer
(which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
Michael Gallo
: main staff of GF IS NOT AT FAULT. It was discovered that a producer
: (which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
: did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
: I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
That's odd. If this is the case, WHY did you not tell us it was an in-house
producer (he is in-house correct?) that caused it? All you told us is
there are alot of competitors and you were sabotaged. Why did you leave
everyone with the speculation of it being another magazine? People have
been asking for deeper explanations since GF first posted a retraction.
I'll tell you what GameFan can do more at. How about NOT telling us that
every single game you guys review is "TOTAL BLISS", "ABSOLUTELY THE BEST",
"THIS GAME ROCKS", etc., etc. How can EVERY game be sooo good???
How about better checking your reviews for grammatical errors? It seems that
EVERY SINGLE review has multiple misspellings and just fundamental misuses
of vocabulary. You guys are "supposed" to be professional editors.
--Mikeg
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TK3DOFORUM
From: nic...@ix.netcom.com (Nick Des Barres) writes:
"I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?"
How about you return the Fatal Fury Special that I sent you, Next Day Air,
on the day before Christmas Eve in 1993? I sent it because you really
*wanted* to play it, had no money, and I did you a *big* favor and loaned
it to you.
Do you remember me? Do you remember how you *promised* to either return
the (brand new $229) game or pay me $15/month when you "get a job"?
Do you remember the *months* of phone calls, or me talking to your
*mother*?
Hope you liked the game, asshole.
Upon hearing that you began working for DHGF, I *promptly* refused to buy
any further issues of that rag, considering the people they employ.
Last time I *ever* send anything to a 15 year old BS artist in California.
Thanks for nothing. Apology not accepted.
TK3DOFORUM AOL.com , "HEY! We're not ALL bad :) "
NEO GEO Saturn 3DO Jaguar
Hardware shmardware, give me games!
Unashamed user of Bass Ale
Chris Miggiani
person at home as at work? Then Why did you title this communique as
"REPLY FROM GF...."?
> I hate to say it, but it is not my job to justify what happened
>to us.
It's VERY MUCH your job! Where is your damn sence of pride? Do you
have any? Do you take pride in your organization?...Your work? If you
did, then you'd be pretty pissed at the state of your magazine -
whether you're at home or at work!
>And we DID post a retraction in every videogame newsgroup. In
>our upcoming issue, we have a retraction in English and Japanese...
>and
>the spelling and grammar issue was resolved long ago.
You have????? I've seen these errors in last months issue!!! Your
grammar still is negligable, as is the horrendous spelling! If you
guys are stepping up your editing efforts and think your problems are
over......think again!
> Obviously you
>haven't read GameFan recently... if you did you'd know we have, by
far,
>the best text, layouts, screenshots, and information of any magazine.
I subscribe to your magazine, in fact.....which I've been reconsidering
the past year. You guys DO have the best layout and photos, but the
content is severely lacking. You guys praise material that is just not
worthy of even a nod! It's no mystery that you are afilliated with a
retail outfit, but why must you make it so obvious! Don't tell us that
you review only the "Good Stuff"......
>It's totally unfair that we have to go through this bashing when the
>main staff of GF IS NOT AT FAULT. It was discovered that a producer
>(which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
>did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
>I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
Well, I do see the merit in your actions taken against your rogue
producer. Don't you guys see that your mag can be the BEST in the
industry?! I totally agree that you have THE best shots and layout,
but there are things that you can do to change in a heartbeat that
would shoot your publication to THE number one spot...IF you so choose!
This doesn't have to do just with this recent fiasco; It has do do with
your editing, your exhuberant reviews, your limited vocabularies. With
work, you can change these things..... But that is the KEY concept! -
"Work". Successful companies do not remain on top by being complacent
in their work or ethics. They are ALWAYS looking to improve, not only
their product or service, but also the way they do things! This, in
turn, will reap the same benefits as the former! You sometimes say in
the foreword found in each issue that you guys are always looking to
change and improve for the future, but up to this point, they have been
empty words. It's time to fill those words with a sincere effort at
improvement - not just a new look!
I must say that I DO apologize for the harshness of my original
communique, but I truely feel that you (and I mean ALL of your editors)
have been given a gift. How many people would LOVE to do what you do
for a living!? OF COURSE it takes hard work to do what you do....we
ALL work hard at our jobs, but PROVE to the rest of your ambitious
readers why YOU are in the position that you're in and why the rest are
where THEY are by actually taking pride and responsibility in your
output. Never say "It's not DHGF's fault". Does it have your name on
it? Then, yes, it is your fault....even if it is in a very unrelated
way. Work as a team. Celebtrate the good TOGETHER and manage through
the BAD together.......it's all in the way you play the game!
Chris Miggiani
Dr. D. Donut
nic...@ix.netcom.com (Nick Des Barres) writes:
> It was discovered that a producer
> (which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
> did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
> I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
So how does this jive with Halverson’s ‘We got screwed by an outside
saboteur who was jealous of our oh-so-fine magazine (with reviews
written by the selfsame Halverson that praise even mediocre garbage to
the heavens just so he can sell’em at a high markup at his shops) and
wanted to make us look bad’ “apology”? So now you’re admitting it was a
disgruntled former employee who left you with a rotten Easter egg and
not an ‘external saboteur’ as your wonderful employer claimed? Man, I
thought EGM had problems, but Halverson’s total lack of integrity makes
me spew. No wonder a normal, self-respecting soul like Kei Kuboki
bailed on you lot.
Dr. Duncan Donut, Tokyo
Andrew
(Chris Miggiani ) wrote:
> In <pcoyne.12...@ucla.edu> pco...@ucla.edu (Mr. Nutz) writes:
> >
> >In article <41uekv$r...@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> nic...@ix.netcom.com
> (Nick Des Barres) writes:
> >
> >(super snip)
> >
> >>Yes! Thank you! Someone is actually sticking up for GameFan! MIRACLE!
>
> >
> >>Nick Rox
> >>DH GameFan Magazine
>
> Man...you guys make me sick. So THIS is the only time that you come
> out of your little shell?? When someone sticks up for you??? Why
> don't you come out and try to explain your biggoted comments made in
> your mag when they are PRESENTED to you? Do you let people stick up
> for you in real life? Don't tell us "someone else wrote it" That's an
> excuse I would expect from a 7 year old. Woops....I have to think of
> who I'm talking to. Why don't you come out and defend the obvious lack
> of quality in your editing. I've long pursued the fact that you guys
> don't know the difference between to, two and too.....basic 4th grade
> level vocabulary there.
>
> Actually, if you guys knew how to edit thoroughly wouldn't you have
> found this error before it went to print? If you say that this
> "someone" wrote it right before it went to print (after editing), then
> the structure in you organization is SEVERELY lacking. You should have
> a series of checks and balances in your production scheduling to
> prevent such mistakes...let alone the TONS of spelling and grammatical
> mistakes which plague every issue!
>
> I don't know.......when I think of you guys I picture a bunch of kids
> cowering behind an umbrella dodging the crap that came from your own
> device.
>
> Oh.....and PLEASE by a thesaurus.
^^
******Oooops! Gotcha on the first rule of flaming over spelling;-) Don't
make the same mistake yourself.
I don't see the point in getting this excited about this issue.
After all... this is a mag that gives great reviews to EVERY game... then
the ad appears offering you these great imports at around $110.
So they got somebody over there that did a fill test with some cut-and-
paste offensive garbage. If they aren't smart enough to fire the guy then it
may happen again. Let them take their chances.
Hopefully most people realize that this is a sales pitch of a mag...
drool over the pretty still shots and then maybe buy one or two at the
highest prices I have seen anywhere.
-Andy
Erin A Fritz
>>"bliss" you guys just prove how limited your intillects truely are.
>>
>>Chris Miggiani
>
>to us. And we DID post a retraction in every videogame newsgroup. In
>our upcoming issue, we have a retraction in English and Japanese... and
>haven't read GameFan recently... if you did you'd know we have, by far,
>the best text, layouts, screenshots, and information of any magazine.
>(which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
>did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
>I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
Now this is more like it. This is what I expected in a response. Honest
adn to the point with results and actions taken.
Not that BS blaming thing we got for a PR.
You should have used this as your retraction.
Erin
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email: fr...@iastate.edu
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Erin A Fritz
>"I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
>I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?"
>
>on the day before Christmas Eve in 1993? I sent it because you really
>*wanted* to play it, had no money, and I did you a *big* favor and loaned
>it to you.
>
>Do you remember me? Do you remember how you *promised* to either return
>the (brand new $229) game or pay me $15/month when you "get a job"?
>
>Do you remember the *months* of phone calls, or me talking to your
>*mother*?
>
>Hope you liked the game, asshole.
>
>Upon hearing that you began working for DHGF, I *promptly* refused to buy
>any further issues of that rag, considering the people they employ.
>
>Last time I *ever* send anything to a 15 year old BS artist in California.
>
>Thanks for nothing. Apology not accepted.
>
>TK3DOFORUM AOL.com , "HEY! We're not ALL bad :) "
>NEO GEO Saturn 3DO Jaguar
>Hardware shmardware, give me games!
>Unashamed user of Bass Ale
ROTFL
HAhahahahahahahha!
:)
The plot thickens!
CoreyK
><<Duanes excellent article snipped>>
>> Yes! Thank you! Someone is actually sticking up for GameFan! MIRACLE!
>>
>> Nick Rox
>> DH GameFan Magazine
>Uhh, Nick? You may want to stay out of the thread, because if I were one
>of the people who hated you (as of my last count, there were four who
>didn't, and I am one of them), I would flame your account to hell and
>back. This is just a warning, though it may have come to late.
> Robert
WHOA!! What the fuck is up with that??? Racism??? Sticking up for DHGF
is bad???
What the hell is so racsit about Game Fan???? Or you all a bunch of
limp-wristed bleeding-heart Liberal fuckers who jump at the first
chance to label anything and anyone racist? That is EXACTLY what it
sounds like it to me..... but if you can show me racism in GF then
I'll believe you.....
Let me know what this "GameFan's Racism: the storey of a bigoted zine"
is all about......
=-= CoreyK *ViskasitY* zuz...@eskimo.com =-=
"Badda boom, badda bing, and then you're
bouncin' on my thing and then the next thing
that you ask for is a ring..." -MU330
Donald Collins
>>
>>Frank Provo - mos...@u.washington.edu "Wow, I want that
man!"
>>http://weber.u.washington.edu/~mosaic - B-Ko's Posse (A-Ko
3)
>>
>>> --James
>>
>
Rick Brown
Des Barres) wrote:
> This is not a GF internet account, it is MY personal account at my
> home. I hate to say it, but it is not my job to justify what happened
> to us. And we DID post a retraction in every videogame newsgroup. In
> our upcoming issue, we have a retraction in English and Japanese... and
> the spelling and grammar issue was resolved long ago. Obviously you
> haven't read GameFan recently... if you did you'd know we have, by far,
You are so full of it! This latest issue had MANY errors, including the
use (yet again) of "in to" instead of "into". National magazines ought to
read a damnsight better than yours does. See EGM. Hire a
proofreader...someone who knows how to write well.
> the best text, layouts, screenshots, and information of any magazine.
You paint far too rosy a picture of each game in your review
sections...extremely deceptive. How come most games are the most "awsome"
ones you've seen yet? It gets old...and becomes obvious that you're just
blowing hot air. How about insight on in-game options, etc., instead of
all that hype you try to blow in our faces?
> It's totally unfair that we have to go through this bashing when the
> main staff of GF IS NOT AT FAULT. It was discovered that a producer
> (which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
> did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
> I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
Print a two page apology in your next issue which isn't buried somewhere
in the back of your mag.
Rick Brown <brow...@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Here we go again....
Raymond Riley
tk3do...@aol.com (TK3DOFORUM) writes:
> Subject: Reply from GF to "OPEN LETTER TO DHGF..."
> From: nic...@ix.netcom.com (Nick Des Barres) writes:
> "I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
> I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?"
>
> How about you return the Fatal Fury Special that I sent you, Next Day Air,
> on the day before Christmas Eve in 1993? I sent it because you really
> *wanted* to play it, had no money, and I did you a *big* favor and loaned
> it to you.
>
> Do you remember me? Do you remember how you *promised* to either return
> the (brand new $229) game or pay me $15/month when you "get a job"?
>
> Do you remember the *months* of phone calls, or me talking to your
> *mother*?
>
> Hope you liked the game, asshole.
>
> Upon hearing that you began working for DHGF, I *promptly* refused to buy
> any further issues of that rag, considering the people they employ.
>
> Last time I *ever* send anything to a 15 year old BS artist in California.
>
> Thanks for nothing. Apology not accepted.
>
> TK3DOFORUM AOL.com , "HEY! We're not ALL bad :) "
> NEO GEO Saturn 3DO Jaguar
> Hardware shmardware, give me games!
> Unashamed user of Bass Ale
Assuming this is true (a big "if"), I think we'd all like to hear more
about this. Anyone this rude and disgusting should catch hell,
especially if he's discovered in the public eye. I might be going too
far, but I think this type of behavior could be representative of the
dishonesty at DHGF.
Care to respond to this allegation, Nick?
Ray
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to rec.games.video.atari to read about the Atari Jaguar and it's software
and hardware. I did not subscribe to it to read crap that does not
pertain to it! Look, here is what should be done.
The thread about the SNES and Jaguar versions of Doom have been beaten
into the ground, drop it. If you still feel the urge to babble about it,
take it elsewhere, like rec.games.video.advocacy. If you still want to
talk about the GameFan issue (which is done since GF cleared up what
really happened), take it to the advocacy group also! If you want to
talk about the Ultra 64 being released in January or April, guess what?
Yep, you guessed it, take it to rec.games.video.nintendo. There is a
reason why there are different usenet groups, so learn how to post the
right way. Is this too hard to understand?
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|> >Well, if it isn't the authority on writing. Thank you for pointing
|> out such
|> >insignificant things as spelling mistakes and grammar crap. If I told
|> you to
|> >shut your fluking mouth, would it be any worse than shut your fucking
|> mouth? I
|> >think not. Spelling mistakes are only annoying to people who are
|> illiterate.
|> >I simply ignore them like the rest of the thinking world.
I don't expect a civil or thoughtful response from Mr. Laviniere, however he
is in for a big surprise when he gets out into the real world and starts to
truly interact with thinking people. Contrary to his assertions, thinking
people are quite concerned with grammar and spelling, and it reflects very
poorly on those who dismiss such matters as frivolous, reflecting these views
in their own writing and speech.
--
Dave Waller
Project Manager Hewlett-Packard Co.
NEXTSTEP/OpenStep Core 19447 Pruneridge Ave.
Enterprise Objects Program Cupertino, CA 95014
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Raymond Riley
nic...@ix.netcom.com (Nick Des Barres) writes:
> This is not a GF internet account, it is MY personal account at my
> home. I hate to say it, but it is not my job to justify what happened
> to us. And we DID post a retraction in every videogame newsgroup.
Retraction? What I read was "It wasn't *our* fault, we were *victims*.
Oh yeah, and we're taking care of it too." No explanations, and a
weak, at best, apology.
> In
> our upcoming issue, we have a retraction in English and Japanese... and
> the spelling and grammar issue was resolved long ago. Obviously you
> haven't read GameFan recently... if you did you'd know we have, by far,
> the best text, layouts, screenshots, and information of any magazine.
Layouts and screenshots are pretty good in DHGF, but don't even try to
say that the text of GF is the best. I can write better than that when
I'm drunk. Why not advertise for a college intern, someone who could
not only check your high-school level writing, but someone who you
could pay very little money or just give credits? There's a number of
ways you could resolve the problem with the writing/text of GameFan,
yet it still is a problem. This says to me, much like knowing that the
issue in question had been tampered with but not checking the WHOLE
thing, that there is a lack of willingness to resolve the problem.
> It's totally unfair that we have to go through this bashing when the
> main staff of GF IS NOT AT FAULT. It was discovered that a producer
> (which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
> did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
> I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
Main staff? Since when is the staff of a magazine separated from each
other? If this guy worked for you, and was paid by you as a part of
your magazine, he was part of the staff. Also, if you had admitted
this information in your "apology," it would have been a lot more
credible than "Game Fan was the victim of sabotage!" Boo hoo. It's
bad enough that you insult our intelligence with the writing level you
put out in your magazine, but to foist off a lame excuse like that is
really pretty insulting.
What more can you do? First, stop asking whiny questions like "What
more can we do?" It's irritating, especially when someone is expecting
an apology. Second, stop acting like children and giving excuses.
Instead, let everyone know EXACTLY what happened, (does the phrase "the
whole truth, and nothing but the truth" ring a bell?) accept
responsibility for it, _sincerely_ apologize, and let us know that it
will never happen again by telling us what sort of action has been
taken, not just "We've dealt with it." These are all logical things
people do when they are sorry, and I shouldn't have to explain it to
you.
Most importantly, stop with the "Finally someone sticks up for us!" or
"What more can we do?" bullshit. That's not something someone says
when they're apologetic. It's something children say when they don't
want to accept the responsibility of a problem.
Ray
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nukulkij poom
>This is not a GF internet account, it is MY personal account at my
>home. I hate to say it, but it is not my job to justify what happened
>to us. And we DID post a retraction in every videogame newsgroup. In
>our upcoming issue, we have a retraction in English and Japanese... and
>the spelling and grammar issue was resolved long ago. Obviously you
>haven't read GameFan recently... if you did you'd know we have, by far,
>the best text, layouts, screenshots, and information of any magazine.
Ummm...last issue I read was the one with KI on the cover, and there were
still noticeable, glaring spelling and grammar errors in that issue. And
this is coming from someone who generally supports your magazine because
of the high quality pics and information (most of the time).
>It's totally unfair that we have to go through this bashing when the
>main staff of GF IS NOT AT FAULT.
I'm not making any reference to the racist article thing--most of the
bashing your magazine receives on the Internet is due to horrible (yes,
it still is so) editing and the occasional blurry layout in which the text
blends in with the background. So that would make the main staff of Gamefan
at fault.
Poom!
Mike
given us a formal apology, so what else do you want from them? DH is a
good mag, with good reviews(sans the one that we're talking about), and
the best pictures in the biz. Just forget the incident...
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>How about you return the Fatal Fury Special that I sent you, Next Day Air,
>on the day before Christmas Eve in 1993? I sent it because you really
>*wanted* to play it, had no money, and I did you a *big* favor and loaned
>it to you.
[Other disgraceful and unspeakable stuff deleted]
Wow! Are you for real?? Are those things you mentioned true? How
old is this Nick guy anyway? I know this magazine is for 14 year
olds; however, I didn't realize it is *WRITTEN* by 14 year olds!!
Mr. Nutz
the middle of the day for no reason at all, and when I came by to get
something, I looked throught the window and saw nick sitting on a stool
playing WORLD HEROES 2 JET. I banged and said to open up but he just looked at
me and then went back to the game. I WAS SOO PISSED! It wasnt until another
worker came from the back heard the noise and finally opened the door for me
and a bunch of other waiting people! That really suked!
Com'on NICK! Respond to that FAtal fury special guy too!
nob...@another.place.com
(Chris Miggiani ) wrote:
[ A Bunch of stuff which IMHO is a stream of BS deleted]
Okay, here's my question:
Why does anyone here STILL give a $#%#?!?!
I Mean, guys, they made a mistake, and then another one. They may have been
bad mistakes, but GET OVER IT!!! Everyone screws up (except me, I'm perfect
<g>). Has this event altered your life and scarred you forever? If the answer
is yes, either:
a) You are Japanese and feel insulted bu such an error. This is justified.
b) You are VERY sensitive to racial issues and see this as a big error.
Fine, get mad and make them realize they made a mistake. They've
realized this and you can stop now.
c) None of the above. Take a chill pill, some Pepto Bismol, and take a nap.
If you don't feel better when you get up, you're suicidal or just
really tense.
Point re-iteration: I'm not saying it wasn't a big deal; insulting a whole race
is BAD stuff, especially for an internationally popular magazine. But it was
an accident, and they feel bad. WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK FOR?!?!
Now that we're done, I think we should all go play our favorite video game for
several hours straight, drink lots of our favorite carbonated beverages, and
eat a LOT of cold leftovers from the takeout from two nights ago.
(It doesn't get any better than that, eh?)
Oh, I just wanted to remind everyone that this thing deserves a great big
dosage of "IMHO", as should all the rest of the posts in this thread have had.
Remember everyone, SHARE opinions, don't FORCe them... And be happy, damn it!!!
Mark Annichiarico
Barres) writes:
>
>
>
>This is not a GF internet account, it is MY personal account at my
>home. I hate to say it, but it is not my job to justify what happened
>to us.>>
Uuh, then whose responsibility is it? Your advertising director's? The
mail room clerks?
>> It was discovered that a producer
>(which has been terminated) was at fault,
Christ, even the fucking editor-in-chief can't write a sentence without
making an error...
Mark Annichiarico
Thomas Clancy
( In <pcoyne.12...@ucla.edu> pco...@ucla.edu (Mr. Nutz) writes:
( of quality in your editing. I've long pursued the fact that you guys
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
( don't know the difference between to, two and too.....basic 4th grade
( level vocabulary there.
( prevent such mistakes...let alone the TONS of spelling and grammatical
( mistakes which plague every issue! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
( Oh.....and PLEASE by a thesaurus. Every time I read an incarnation of
( "bliss" you guys just prove how limited your intillects truely are.
^^^^^^^^^^
Chris--not wanting to get involved in this debate--I must say, those that
live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If you are going to flame
someone for something, make damn certain you, yourself, are not guilty
of the same petty crime. ='p
Mike Hilling
>Whether it was sabatoge,(which sounds kinda fishy) or one idiot at the
>magazine that for some reason thought it was funny, lets not burn down
the
>house because someone saw a rat.
>
>Am I being totaly unreasonable here, or what?
Yes and no.. True, you're comments about GF not printing a racist
article makes perfect sense, since such a large part of Die Hard's
business is import, however, that is not the issue at hand. I think
many realize that GF did not intentionally print that article, but all
the criticizm is focused mainly on the fact that the magazine is so
poor, that the editors let something like that slip out. Second of all,
what was that racist article even doing on the computers at GF, let
lone being used as a filler as many suspect.
The other important point being argued, is the pathetic excuse for
an apology we all recieved from them, and then Nick Rox's childish
comments of something to the effect of "At least SOMEONES on our side."
Please! These are not the types of remarks to make when you are trying
to show you're sincerest apologies for something. Basically, Die Hard,
and their rag GF can be summed up real simply. Die Hard is an
unreliable mail order service with highly questionable buisness
practices. Their accompanying magazine is merely a catalog for the
latest and greatest and "most awesome game ever" products they sell.
Do everyone a favor, switch readership to Next Generation, and buy any
import games elsewhere. Just my 2 cents..
Mike Hilling
>
>I honestly don't understand why you folks keep ragging on DH. They
have
>given us a formal apology, so what else do you want from them? DH is
a
>good mag, with good reviews(sans the one that we're talking about),
and
>the best pictures in the biz. Just forget the incident...
>
>
Good reviews! Sheesh, you are reading Die Hard Gamefan right? Please,
every article in that magazine could be put on the back of the game box
to sell the darn thing. All they do is praise the software so little
kiddies will get all excited and buy it. The do have nice pictures, but
content is absent. Also, if you've read thier formal apology carefully,
and Nick Rox's accompanying comments, you'd fully understand why
everyone is ragging them so hard..
Grog Brewsnort
> >It's totally unfair that we have to go through this bashing when the
> >main staff of GF IS NOT AT FAULT. It was discovered that a producer
> >(which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
> >did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
> >I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
But wait, didn't the official "urgent" reply from GameFan say that it was
sabotage by competitors by "weaving" text throughout the issue somewhere
between HQ and the printer? But if it was a producer, then the urgent
reply was a lie.
But wait, I heard that the "White" guy that actually wrote it wasn't even
fired! What's true here? We loyal readers deserve the truth!
Grog
Andrew
> cott...@ashley.cofc.edu wrote:
>
>
> ><<Duanes excellent article snipped>>
>
> >> Yes! Thank you! Someone is actually sticking up for GameFan! MIRACLE!
> >>
> >> Nick Rox
> >> DH GameFan Magazine
>
> >Uhh, Nick? You may want to stay out of the thread, because if I were one
> >of the people who hated you (as of my last count, there were four who
> >didn't, and I am one of them), I would flame your account to hell and
> >back. This is just a warning, though it may have come to late.
>
>
> > Robert
>
> WHOA!! What the fuck is up with that??? Racism??? Sticking up for DHGF
> is bad???
> What the hell is so racsit about Game Fan???? Or you all a bunch of
> limp-wristed bleeding-heart Liberal fuckers who jump at the first
> chance to label anything and anyone racist? That is EXACTLY what it
> sounds like it to me..... but if you can show me racism in GF then
> I'll believe you.....
> Let me know what this "GameFan's Racism: the storey of a bigoted zine"
> is all about......
>
>
*****Man if you don't know what this thread is about by now then maybe you just
shouldn't worry about it;-)
And calling people names and then admitting you don't even know what's
going on isn't a good start either.
-Andy
Andrew
Waller) wrote:
> |> In <41tc6o$i...@usenet.rpi.edu> Duane Laviniere <lavind> writes:
>
> |> >Well, if it isn't the authority on writing. Thank you for pointing
> |> out such
> |> >insignificant things as spelling mistakes and grammar crap. If I told
> |> you to
> |> >shut your fluking mouth, would it be any worse than shut your fucking
> |> mouth? I
> |> >think not. Spelling mistakes are only annoying to people who are
> |> illiterate.
> |> >I simply ignore them like the rest of the thinking world.
>
> I don't expect a civil or thoughtful response from Mr. Laviniere, however he
> is in for a big surprise when he gets out into the real world and starts to
> truly interact with thinking people. Contrary to his assertions, thinking
> people are quite concerned with grammar and spelling, and it reflects very
> poorly on those who dismiss such matters as frivolous, reflecting these views
> in their own writing and speech.
>
*****I can't resist;-) That last sentence was far too long and should have
been broken into two separate sentences. Very hard on the eyes;-)
-Andy
Dr. Moze
>
> Spelling mistakes are only annoying to people who are illiterate.
I missed this in the original post. Truly a classic!! $^) $^)
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Peter Seebach
>(which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
>did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
>I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
I personally expect you to buy every person who has heard of your
magazine a game development kit of my choice... :)
-s
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Chris Miggiani
pointing
>|> out such
>|> >insignificant things as spelling mistakes and grammar crap. If I
told
>|> you to
>|> >shut your fluking mouth, would it be any worse than shut your
fucking
>|> mouth? I
>|> illiterate.
>|> >I simply ignore them like the rest of the thinking world.
>
>I don't expect a civil or thoughtful response from Mr. Laviniere,
however he
>is in for a big surprise when he gets out into the real world and
starts to
>truly interact with thinking people. Contrary to his assertions,
thinking
>people are quite concerned with grammar and spelling, and it reflects
very
>poorly on those who dismiss such matters as frivolous, reflecting
these views
>in their own writing and speech.
>
>Dave Waller
Well, if we believe the post by the gentleman who lost his Neo Geo cart
to this guy when he loaned it to him 2 years ago, that would make him
about 17 years old. This is HARDLY the type of person who has the
maturity to communicate with the rest of a community (gaming or
otherwise) on a professional level.
Yup Dave, this young kid will learn quick and hard what it's like in
the real world when he is eventually bumped off of his DHGF pedistal
and comes crashing down onto reality. The real world is not filled
with impressionable 10 and 11 year-olds who believe everything they are
told. The rest of the public takes what they read in the media with a
grain of salt and if they feel the wool being pooled over their eyes,
they will rebute. In the 90s, with the advent in popularity of the
internet, the masses have a vehicle with which to voice their concerns
and people like this kid need to know how to effectively communicate
with them. So far, I see his future as being VERY dim.......
Chris Miggiani
Chris Miggiani
>
> Look, folks, I'm no Die Hard employee and I'm not trying to
defend
>GF. _But_...before you all start crying and whimpering about how
horrible
>they are and how they're all acting like children, maybe you all
should
>_check_the_fucking_mirror_. Yes, their editing is poor, and yes, it
led
>to a stupid mistake, but...let's face it, getting all worked up and
>creating a multi-newsgroup thread of this size about a goddamn
vid-geek
>magazine is juvenile in itself. The world will not blow up, nor will
your
>families die, nor will your heads explode, because a magazine has
>editing problems. For (deity of your choice)'s sake, let it _die_, and
>spend your bitching on something significant.
>
>Flames welcome.
Hmmmmm.....This isn't a flame at all..... but that comment is exactly
why corporate America is going down in flames! We are slowly migrating
from a manufacturing business unit to a service based business sect
because, IMHO, management these days cannot handle the responsibility
of large scale industrial operations. That is why we have the larger
part of our employed management base in the USA working at the mall.
Your above remark is akin to the "just-out-of-highschool" McDonalds
manager who only cares about how many burgers are pushed out and when
to toss the old ones! Hey, if anyone is slaving over a grill, using
that management experience as a stepping stone to better opportunities,
then you have the right idea! But that kind of mind set is very
uncommon.
But my responce to Nick stated that they have become COMPLACENT in the
quality of their work..... And your answer reflected just that
attitude.
"Just MHO"!
Chris Miggiani
Sergei Aish
: Do everyone a favor, switch readership to Next Generation, and buy any
: import games elsewhere. Just my 2 cents..
Next Generation isn't for everyone. I couldn't care less about their
interviews - as if anyone in the game business, or ANY business, for that
matter, will ever tell the truth - and I have better things to do than to
try to read between the lines. What I care about is screen shots of upcoming
games and import game news, something that only Game Fan (and, to a lesser
extent, EGM) can provide. Other mags' import coverage is a joke (BTW, for
a good laugh check out the atrocious romanization of Der Langrisser in
the latest Game Players :-). Of course I could just get the Japanese mags,
but they are frightfully expensive these days.
-S.A.
The8thMan
Let's not sweep that racist part under the rug like so many other
issues seem to get to...
An apology in English and Japanese? Bwahahahahaha! I bet the
English text will read like this:
"Where terribly sorry for the nixup that made us post race-ist
comments. Pleeze forgivh us."
And I bet the Japanese part will read like this (translated:)
"Please excuse us to be apologizing for remark racist. Hit
X, Y, and B buttons and all Mileenas will show their bras.
Forgiving to be us an option is most assured."
The only thing I've wondered so far is why fifty parents' groups
haven't jumped on GF's collective asses for the atrocious editing,
arguing that kids who read GF will eventually write exactly like them.
"I learned from the PROs, I read GAMEFAN! If u don't like it, 2 bad."
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Duane Laviniere
>
><<Duanes excellent article snipped>>
>
>> Yes! Thank you! Someone is actually sticking up for GameFan! MIRACLE!
>>
>> Nick Rox
>> DH GameFan Magazine
>
Hey Nick, for my support of your mag through thick and thin, do I get a free
game or something? I mean, I already subscribe through to next MAy and maybe
another year wouldn't hurt <hint hint>.
>Uhh, Nick? You may want to stay out of the thread, because if I were one
>of the people who hated you (as of my last count, there were four who
>didn't, and I am one of them), I would flame your account to hell and
>back. This is just a warning, though it may have come to late.
If GF was like an Arian Nation mag or something, then I'd say screw them, but
for a mag that has avoided ANY sort of offensive mag for the years they've been
in business to suddenly print a really sloppy looking bash of the Japanese
people points out sabotage and/or foul play. They were screwed here, not us.
They are the victims, not us. If you would like, just ignore the "bad" page or
rip it out. I guarantee they'll never have something like that in their mag
again unless it's a problem higher up on the chain. They're a good mag, and I
know you guys didn't complain this much before the incident. Why jump all over
their backs now? Go read your kiddy mags if you choose. I know what I want
and that's good pics and nice news and so forth. I get it in GF and nowhere
else. You're all like bullies that decide to jump in and step all over the guy
who is down. Get a life. And Nick, consider my offer. I could use an Ultra64
with a few games or maybe a jumbotron television or THX stereo system. Adios.
--
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Duane Laviniere
>I honestly don't understand why you folks keep ragging on DH. They have
>given us a formal apology, so what else do you want from them? DH is a
>good mag, with good reviews(sans the one that we're talking about), and
>the best pictures in the biz. Just forget the incident...
Those jackasses want a fucking ass kissing is what they want. This is the real
world. I got more than enough apologies from one mag for one mistake. I don't
think they could really do anything else. People make too many excuses to do
stupid things. What I really want to know is what got them to subscribe in the
first place.
Chris Curry
|>Hey *I* remeber when Nick worked at the Die Hard Store and they were closed in
|>the middle of the day for no reason at all, and when I came by to get
|>something, I looked throught the window and saw nick sitting on a stool
|>playing WORLD HEROES 2 JET. I banged and said to open up but he just looked at
|>me and then went back to the game. I WAS SOO PISSED! It wasnt until another
|>worker came from the back heard the noise and finally opened the door for me
|>and a bunch of other waiting people! That really suked!
|>
|>Com'on NICK! Respond to that FAtal fury special guy too!
With all this going on it might be discovered that Nick in fact *was* the guy
that wrote the article as well as the guy that conspired to murder JFK! :-)
Chris C
+--------------------------------------------------+
Ban Fruitopia! I want to drink a decent beverage
NOT a marketing campaign feeding on what's trendy
+--------------------------------------------------+
Mike
: Good reviews! Sheesh, you are reading Die Hard Gamefan right? Please,
: every article in that magazine could be put on the back of the game box
: to sell the darn thing. All they do is praise the software so little
: kiddies will get all excited and buy it. The do have nice pictures, but
: content is absent. Also, if you've read thier formal apology carefully,
: and Nick Rox's accompanying comments, you'd fully understand why
: everyone is ragging them so hard..
You're right though. They USED to have good reviews. Now I rarely ever
see a game that gets below an 80. And don't tell me that you only review
the good games either. You've got good pics, just bring back the old
reviews... You guys even gave the Genny B&R good reviews just because it
had good gfx! No play control, insanely hard, but it has good graphics
so you give it an 85(or whatever, I can't remember, but it was somewhere
around there). But still, enough is enough. Just let the incident go...
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Duane Laviniere
Exactamundo, but it got my point across right? You did understand what I was
saying right? It made little to no difference right? You just made my point.
I'll probably fail my H&SS course this year on spelling mistakes alone, but at
least I'll be able to convey my views accurately b/c no one outside of
illiterates who can't spell cat would have a problem with it.
terrell gibbs
Des Barres) wrote:
[snip]
: It's totally unfair that we have to go through this bashing when the
: main staff of GF IS NOT AT FAULT. It was discovered that a producer
: (which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
: did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
: I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
Personally, I'd like to be able to go down to my newstand and pick up the
issue in question. The fact that some obnoxious garbage snuck into an
article is no big deal, especially now that DHGF has apologized. But I'm
irritated that I haven't been able to find the current issue, with or
without the offending article.
Duane Laviniere
>> is in for a big surprise when he gets out into the real world and starts to
>> truly interact with thinking people. Contrary to his assertions, thinking
>> people are quite concerned with grammar and spelling, and it reflects very
>> poorly on those who dismiss such matters as frivolous, reflecting these views
>> in their own writing and speech.
Let me clear up the fog in front of your eyes mi amigo. Do you see where I'm
posting this from? It's Rensselaer Poltytech. I also got into MIT and GT and
so on. Now, if I didn't have any sort of common sense or grasp of the real
world, do you think they would have accepted me? If I couldn't right a college
essay, do you think I would have got in? It's people who are slaves to their
own minds that force themselves to harp on little insignificant things such as
grammar. Do you think the "great thinkers" would have frowned on me for
mispelling energy if I was the one who discovered the theory of relativity? Do
you? What if I discovered the meaning of life or the key to time travel and in
my report, I constantly mispelled the word "time" or the word "eternity" or
something? Would I be any less of a genius. NO as in N-O. People who like to
point out piddly little things as spelling and grammar in order to feed their
bloated egos are the highest order of JACKASSES this world has ever seen. They
should all be lined up in a row and shot dead. You would be the first one my
friend. You and cotrell@whosawhatsit roam a video game newsgroup of all things
and read video game mags (yeah, already the cream of the crop so far as
spelling and grammar) and pick out little mistakes that no one else gives a
shit about. Guess what pal, BITE ME. I dun't geve a dumn abut hew i spill.
OK? I am a human being, and I think for myself which is more than I can say
for you.
Jani Pearce
> Look, folks, I'm no Die Hard employee and I'm not trying to defend
>GF. _But_...before you all start crying and whimpering about how horrible
>they are and how they're all acting like children, maybe you all should
>_check_the_fucking_mirror_. Yes, their editing is poor, and yes, it led
>to a stupid mistake, but...let's face it, getting all worked up and
>creating a multi-newsgroup thread of this size about a goddamn vid-geek
>magazine is juvenile in itself. The world will not blow up, nor will your
>families die, nor will your heads explode, because a magazine has
No, but it sure will get them some publicity. Face it folks, this whole
thing was very possibly planned. I'd never even _heard_ of DHGF until
now, but I'm not likely to forget it. If they can ride this out, imagine
all the free advertising they've gotten.
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Lee Saito
: Let me clear up the fog in front of your eyes mi amigo. Do you see where I'm
: posting this from? It's Rensselaer Poltytech. I also got into MIT and GT and
: so on. Now, if I didn't have any sort of common sense or grasp of the real
: world, do you think they would have accepted me?
Evidently common sense is not a factor for admissions at those schools,
since you got in ;) (I think everyone knows that standardized tests don't
have a "common sense" score associated with them ;)
C'mon Duane, it's bad enough we get into all these pissing matches over
which system is better...we don't need this kind of "my school is better
than yours" penis waving on this newsgroup...
: If I couldn't right a college
: essay, do you think I would have got in?
I dunno, sometimes I'd say you are hard pressed to "right" an article on
these newsgroups ;)
: OK? I am a human being, and I think for myself which is more than I can say
: for you.
Really? I thought Nintendo did your thinking for you, and now it looks
like GameFan thinks for you too ;)
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Why do I always get the messed up case of soda?
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Mike McCool
[Nick didn't return someone's game]
: Assuming this is true (a big "if"), I think we'd all like to hear more
: about this. Anyone this rude and disgusting should catch hell,
: especially if he's discovered in the public eye. I might be going too
: far, but I think this type of behavior could be representative of the
: dishonesty at DHGF.
:
: Care to respond to this allegation, Nick?
No, I don't think he should catch hell, and this is what makes Usenet such
a horrid place to try and represent your business. WHAT NICK DOES IS NICK'S
BUSINESS. Period. It is not representative of anything, and furthermore,
posting such personal problems from the past in a public forum is hardly
appropriate for a discussion about his employers!
I just wanted to point out that stuff like this is exactly why nobody in
their right minds steps forth from a company and just says, "Hey, it
happened, we're sorry, we wish it didn't happen, but it did." Because
whenever someone does, he gets torn to pieces, and people say, "Yeah, but
what about xxx that happened 2 years ago? What about that, huh?"
In my opinion, this "public eye" you mention is nothing more than a mob
looking for someone to stone. Put yourself in his shoes, and remember that
WHAT PEOPLE SAY ON USENET ISN'T NECESSARILY TRUE. There are two sides to
every story, and I'm sure Nick has his side, and I'm sure DHGF has more
truth about what really happened than they've said. IT HAPPENS. And I
personally don't think GameFan should reveal every gruesome detail of what
happened. They said, "It was sabotage." Nick further clarified, "It was
sabotage from a producer who had been fired."
And personally, I think that's all the truth they need to publish. Don't
characterize them based on rumor and (potentially) libel. Unless you know
them personally, I don't think you should try to characterize them at all.
If the magazine offended you, don't buy it. If you have reason to believe
that they're dishonest, take it to them personally. Don't air your dirty
laundry in a public forum.
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DonRawlins
over creation?
Sometimes I feel the IQ of net users seldom even approaches, yet alone
exceeds, 100.
Vidgame528
reviewer), but racist? If they're racist AT ALL, then they hate Americans.
When was the last time that they gave an Acclaim game more than a 2%? Not
that Acclaim doesn't deserve that, but if GF hated Japan, that wouldn't
happen.
P.S. Their editing is so crappy that the vandalism COULD have slipped
through.
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Duane Laviniere
>Evidently common sense is not a factor for admissions at those schools,
>since you got in ;) (I think everyone knows that standardized tests don't
>have a "common sense" score associated with them ;)
Well, if it isn't Mr. Funnyman himself, Lee Psycho. What's up Lee? Got any
more messed up cans lately? I didn't get into these schools on standardized
tests as you obviously know from the talk we had a while ago. After all, you
are a genius topping 1430 or something like that on the SAT. Remember, you
even beat my 720 Math. You seem to have a very selective memory.
>C'mon Duane, it's bad enough we get into all these pissing matches over
>which system is better...we don't need this kind of "my school is better
>than yours" penis waving on this newsgroup...
I don't brag b/c RPI is in a real armpit of a town, but it's a good school.
But if some dodo wants to play hardball and pass me off for Joe Idiot, I'm
gonna put him in his place. And I'm afraid that if I did any sort of penis
waving, everyone around me would be decked. (I am just too good sometimes)
>I dunno, sometimes I'd say you are hard pressed to "right" an article on
>these newsgroups ;)
Why is that Lee? Why the hell do you say anything at all? I don't give a damn
who likes me and who doesn't, but I know that not too many people like you
either. I post on this newsgroup and just about any one I choose b/c I see an
article I find interesting and read it. I can read and can write. I do as I
choose, and you are noone period, muchless someone to be judging others. Now
don't cry b/c of what I just said, IT IS THE TRUTH.
>Really? I thought Nintendo did your thinking for you, and now it looks
>like GameFan thinks for you too ;)
Hey, they have been teaching you some new tricks over at Seal School. What do
you want me to do, throw you a fish? I have no feelings for N anymore, b/c I'm
not so big into games as I was a few months/weeks ago. GF don't make my
decisions, so I am FREE to decide whether I feel they were wronged or not. Get
your big nose out of my fucking business Pinochio or I'll cut it off.
> Why do I always get the messed up case of soda?
Maybe b/c you're a dumbass.
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Duane Laviniere
>Well, if we believe the post by the gentleman who lost his Neo Geo cart
>to this guy when he loaned it to him 2 years ago, that would make him
>about 17 years old. This is HARDLY the type of person who has the
>maturity to communicate with the rest of a community (gaming or
>otherwise) on a professional level.
Nice guess, you got my age. Now, how could an idiot 17 yr old get into
college? Must be luck, alrighty then. So, I can't communicate, hey? I'm not
mature? You just pushed the right button pal, the SELF-DESTRUCT button. I
think I might cry, or maybe not. I won't proclaim myself to be a genius, b/c
I'm not, but I am far from the lowly moron that you proclaim me to be. What
school/grade are you in? Why don't you have an edu account from a school like
MIT or so if you're so damned smart, huh wiseguy? NO ANSWERS.
>Yup Dave, this young kid will learn quick and hard what it's like in
>the real world when he is eventually bumped off of his DHGF pedistal
>and comes crashing down onto reality. The real world is not filled
>with impressionable 10 and 11 year-olds who believe everything they are
>told. The rest of the public takes what they read in the media with a
>grain of salt and if they feel the wool being pooled over their eyes,
>they will rebute. In the 90s, with the advent in popularity of the
>internet, the masses have a vehicle with which to voice their concerns
>and people like this kid need to know how to effectively communicate
>with them. So far, I see his future as being VERY dim.......
I think there is them music to go along with what you just said. It's by
Dennis Leary, "I'm an Asshole." Now, let me COMMUNICATE this ovr to you and
wait for your reply. I started SO (student orientation) on the 25th or so.
Before that, you might fnid my last post was from my Florida account
z007...@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us. Now, if you are a hacker and can get into
the RPI system, and find my file, you'd soon discover that I didn't get my
account until this Monday I think it was. Now, I haven't received my issue of
GF until today, and I didn't read GF's reply to the public until after my first
post Monday. I read the reply like on Wednesday or so. Could it possibly be
that I'm clarvoyant(sp?) and predicted the excuse that GF made? Could I have
been brainwashed by GF? I think not. <fizzleing of your theory>. I'm I so
stupid that I couldn't just demolish your whole theory in a matter of minutes?
I could destroy any argument you have with my brain tied behind my back. Now,
take your kiddie banter somewhere else, try and denounce some poor sap as an
idiot, but if you want to play with the big boys, you better be packing, b/c
you ain't. You don't know me, and if you did, you'd probably be in awe. Too
many people think that smart people think/write a particular way and that is
it. Let me tell you pal, I think for myself. I do for myself. I don't have
to follow any pathetic rules laid down by society. This IS the real world.
You be a follower, and you only get trampled by the multitudes. You be a
leader, and there's a chance that you'd be far enough out in front of the pack
to save yourself. Still think I'm a no nothing little runt? Have a nice day,
class is dismissed.
Deathblow
: You whine about cross posting yet you yourself cross post this thread all
: over creation? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hmmmmmm. Fightin' fire with fire, eh? Give'em bloody hell. Whine whine whine
let'em whine all he wants. Practice what ye preach. Das kewl. But then
all of the sudden...
: Sometimes I feel the IQ of net users seldom even approaches, yet alone
: exceeds, 100. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>:(
Oh really? You think so? Ahhh...I see. That's a pretty darn round number.
So what you're saying is, hmm. Yep yep yep. That just about makes
you, ummm, batting about 98? Nawnawnaw lemme guess, 99?
But since AOL takes care you all oh-so-verwy-well...
Next time make sure your blast ain't gonna hit innocent bystanders who
cruise the 'net or else it may just backfire, my net user dude.
D.T.
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A. Scott Madill
>You whine about cross posting yet you yourself cross post this thread all
>over creation?
>Sometimes I feel the IQ of net users seldom even approaches, yet alone
>exceeds, 100.
Don, Don, Don...
What are we to do with you? You most likely don't have a real
internet account as you are posting from an AOL account, and you post
here with the audacity to attack the intelligence of "net users". Why
am I not surprised? You see Don, I too have an AOL account. I don't
use it to browse the web because of the $2.95 per hour charges. I
have a full SLIP/PPP account on the internet for $20 a month. ISP's
are poping up all over with flat rate offers averaging $15-$20 per
month. Yet you still post to Newgroups from AOL?!?!?
Now who looks unintelligent?
BTW: I only keep my AOL account for 3DO information and may drop it
soon seeing as how no information is flowing from that particular
fountain these days.
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Mark Garwatoski
I am origanally from Glenville, NY and I can say that RPI isn't all you
crack it up to be, I know I did research there and was not impressed.
It you really got into MIT you should have gone there. By the sounds of
your rambling it was not intellect that got you into these places but
something else, I wonder what.
How do you right an essay? I always write one.
Keep your my school is better than your shit out of the group please.
P.S. DUKE is better than anywhere you got into anyway
Mark Garwatoski
Cry, Cry Cry, "I go to RPI(shit hole) and got into MIT"
Big deal we all know that smarts isn't all it takes to get into schools
these days. I am a grad student at Duke and know alot of people who got
in just because they can speak english and will make good TAs.
Hey does Bradley still remember Siena College, I was a junior there when
we played Bradley in the NIT.
Lee Saito
: arg...@rhf.bradley.edu (Lee Saito) wrote:
: >Evidently common sense is not a factor for admissions at those schools,
: >since you got in ;) (I think everyone knows that standardized tests don't
: >have a "common sense" score associated with them ;)
: Well, if it isn't Mr. Funnyman himself, Lee Psycho. What's up Lee? Got any
: more messed up cans lately?
Tsk tsk tsk, calling people names, and ripping on, of all things, my sig.
I will give you credit, you do seem to know how to pronounce my last
name...very good, Duane.
(You're right, the sig needs to be changed, I haven't touched it in like
six months...;)
: I didn't get into these schools on standardized
: tests as you obviously know from the talk we had a while ago. After all, you
: are a genius topping 1430 or something like that on the SAT. Remember, you
: even beat my 720 Math. You seem to have a very selective memory.
Selective? Unlike you, I don't brag about my standardized test score, or
what schools I got into. Are you really that insecure?
BTW, my point, which went WAY over your head, was that schools can't tell
and don't admit people based on "common sense." You exist as proof ;)
: >C'mon Duane, it's bad enough we get into all these pissing matches over
: >which system is better...we don't need this kind of "my school is better
: >than yours" penis waving on this newsgroup...
: I don't brag b/c RPI is in a real armpit of a town, but it's a good school.
: But if some dodo wants to play hardball and pass me off for Joe Idiot, I'm
: gonna put him in his place. And I'm afraid that if I did any sort of penis
: waving, everyone around me would be decked. (I am just too good sometimes)
My my, you are insecure. Please put that thing back in your pants where it
belongs please, I don't think that kind of behavior is even appropriate
for advocacy. (We only talk about electronic extensions of our manhood
here. ;)
And as for passing you off for Joe Idiot, I don't really need to do a
thing. You're doing an excellent job on your own, judging by the other
posts in this thread...
: >I dunno, sometimes I'd say you are hard pressed to "right" an article on
: >these newsgroups ;)
: Why is that Lee? Why the hell do you say anything at all? I don't give a damn
: who likes me and who doesn't, but I know that not too many people like you
: either. I post on this newsgroup and just about any one I choose b/c I see an
: article I find interesting and read it. I can read and can write. I do as I
: choose, and you are noone period, muchless someone to be judging others. Now
: don't cry b/c of what I just said, IT IS THE TRUTH.
*snif* you mean there are people out there who don't like me? i'm
crushed...
Too bad I'm not as insecure as you are, otherwise I might actually have
been hurt by that statement ;)
: >Really? I thought Nintendo did your thinking for you, and now it looks
: >like GameFan thinks for you too ;)
: Hey, they have been teaching you some new tricks over at Seal School. What do
: you want me to do, throw you a fish? I have no feelings for N anymore, b/c I'm
: not so big into games as I was a few months/weeks ago. GF don't make my
: decisions, so I am FREE to decide whether I feel they were wronged or not. Get
: your big nose out of my fucking business Pinochio or I'll cut it off.
OK, Mr. Free Thinker...tell me why it is so hard to see that, basically,
GameFan is LYING. Tell me who isn't thinking for himself. Or did you not
notice that the original press release and Nick's response don't quite jibe
together?
: > Why do I always get the messed up case of soda?
: Maybe b/c you're a dumbass.
Bravo! I stand in awe of your razor-sharp wit.
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Why do I always get the messed up case of soda?
---------------...@rhf.bradley.edu--------------------------
Lee Saito
[snip snip snip, blah blah blah]
: You be a follower, and you only get trampled by the multitudes. You be a
: leader, and there's a chance that you'd be far enough out in front of the pack
: to save yourself. Still think I'm a no nothing little runt? Have a nice day,
: class is dismissed.
Hey, I wonder if Duane is a good candidate for Kook-of-the-month?
I dunno if his persecution complex is big enough, myself...
He does seem to be the crusading type, though, I'll give him that...
Brett D Altschul
Mark Garwatoski <mj...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
>I agree, KOOK OF THE MONTH for Duane.
Is there a running tally of votes for this? Add one please.
>Cry, Cry Cry, "I go to RPI(shit hole) and got into MIT"
>Big deal we all know that smarts isn't all it takes to get into schools
>these days.
That's for sure...I know quite a few morons who got into MIT.
Demon Sultan of Khaipur
Brett Altschul
Dr. D. Donut
Duane Laviniere <lavind> writes:
> bob...@ix.netcom.com (Chris Miggiani ) wrote:
>
> >Well, if we believe the post by the gentleman who lost his Neo Geo cart
> >to this guy when he loaned it to him 2 years ago, that would make him
> >about 17 years old. This is HARDLY the type of person who has the
> >maturity to communicate with the rest of a community (gaming or
> >otherwise) on a professional level.
>
> Nice guess, you got my age. Now, how could an idiot 17 yr old get into
> college? Must be luck, alrighty then. So, I can't communicate, hey? I'm
> not mature? You just pushed the right button pal, the SELF-DESTRUCT
> button. I think I might cry, or maybe not.
So you’ve been to school for a year or two and you know you’ve seen it
all. So why are you freaking out about this? I believe Chris was making
a comment about Nick Rox (Nick DeBarres was it? Hope I spelled that
right, oh right it doesn’t matter to you.) and was not taking a swing
at you.
>I won't proclaim myself to be a genius, b/c
> I'm not, but I am far from the lowly moron that you proclaim me to be.
Chris didn’t make such a proclamation. Read his post again. But you’re
sure as hell making a very good case for yourself as a lowly moron.
Exhibit 1: One (1) Duane ”I’m not a genius” Lavinierre
> What school/grade are you in? Why don't you have an edu account from a
> school like MIT or so if you're so damned smart, huh wiseguy? NO ANSWERS.
The answer to this one should be obvious to a rocket scientist like
you. Perhaps the guy’s already graduated from a “place of higher
learning” unlike yourself, so he wouldn’t have access to an edu
account. Have you even considered such a possibility? Note that I also
don’t have an edu in my account name. Could that mean I’m not going to
school any longer? Naaaaaaah, it probably means I was too dumb to get
into MIT just so I can enjoy the exalted privilege of breathing the
same air as you do.
> >Yup Dave, this young kid will learn quick and hard what it's like in
> >the real world when he is eventually bumped off of his DHGF pedistal
> >and comes crashing down onto reality. The real world is not filled
> >with impressionable 10 and 11 year-olds who believe everything they are
> >told. The rest of the public takes what they read in the media with a
> >grain of salt and if they feel the wool being pooled over their eyes,
> >they will rebute. In the 90s, with the advent in popularity of the
> >internet, the masses have a vehicle with which to voice their concerns
> >and people like this kid need to know how to effectively communicate
> >with them. So far, I see his future as being VERY dim.......
>
> I think there is them music to go along with what you just said. It's by
> Dennis Leary, "I'm an Asshole."
Sure, I imagine you know it word for word... and live by it.
>Now, let me COMMUNICATE this ovr to you and
> wait for your reply. I started SO (student orientation) on the 25th or so.
Oh I get it now, they just let you in. You’re excused Mr. Freshman.
> Before that, you might fnid my last post was from my Florida account
> z007...@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us. Now, if you are a hacker and can get into
> the RPI system, and find my file, you'd soon discover that I didn't get my
> account until this Monday I think it was. Now, I haven't received my issue of
> GF until today, and I didn't read GF's reply to the public until after my first
> post Monday. I read the reply like on Wednesday or so. Could it possibly be
> that I'm clarvoyant(sp?) and predicted the excuse that GF made? Could I have
> been brainwashed by GF? I think not. <fizzleing of your theory>. I'm I so
> stupid that I couldn't just demolish your whole theory in a matter of minutes?
> I could destroy any argument you have with my brain tied behind my back.
I would truly love to see this feat, you being an exalted member of MIT
and all. May I grovel at your sheer genius. Please keep posting, we
sure do love to hear from someone with intellect that is vastly
superior to the rest of us non-2 percenters.
>Now, take your kiddie banter somewhere else, try and denounce some poor sap > as an idiot, but if you want to play with the big boys, you better be
> packing, b/c you ain't. You don't know me, and if you did, you'd probably
> be in awe.
We’ve read enough of your posts to be truly in awe. What intellect!
It’s no longer enough to brag about our dick size, we have to wave a
little flag saying “MIT student, get down and grovel.”
>Too many people think that smart people think/write a particular way and
> that is it. Let me tell you pal, I think for myself. I do for myself.
>I don't have to follow any pathetic rules laid down by society. This IS the
> real world.
I’m truly terrified. We have a true thinker here.
> You be a follower, and you only get trampled by the multitudes. You be a
> leader, and there's a chance that you'd be far enough out in front of the
> pack to save yourself. Still think I'm a no nothing little runt?
I had an open mind about it, but you convinced me. You are a know
nothing little runt.
> Have a nice day, class is dismissed.
Yup, same to you. Too bad you’ve got a lot of classes to still catch.
Call us again in a couple years when you start earning real money like
the rest of us.
Dr. Duncan Donut, Tokyo
Corwin Colbey
Distribution:
nob...@another.place.com (nob...@another.place.com) wrote:
: Now that we're done, I think we should all go play our favorite video game for
: several hours straight, drink lots of our favorite carbonated beverages, and
: eat a LOT of cold leftovers from the takeout from two nights ago.
: (It doesn't get any better than that, eh?)
not without expensive and illicit pharmacueticals or midgets in leather.
--
"We can dance if we want to; we can leave your friends behind."
-Men Without Hats
"Oh no, we're going to Canada!"
-Don
and a special "Bite my ass!" to Senator Exon!
Duane Laviniere
>Call us again in a couple years when you start earning real money like
>the rest of us.
How many toilet bowls do you have to clean in one day to make a living mi
friend? I thoroughly enjoyed your reply, how amusing. Oh well, I guess I'm
just an interesting guy and all. I even got email from Lee Psycho, oooh I feel
nasty. I tell you what, in a few years when I have my degree, I'll call you up
and I'll hire you. You won't scrub another bowl for the rest of your life, OK?
You'll have the joy of working for me, and the vast empire I am going to start.
I can see it now, Duane and Tidy Bowl Man side by side at the Board of
Executives meeting. <deep breath> Can you just smell it? It's success my
man, SUCCESS. And I wreak of it.
>Dr. Duncan Donut, Tokyo
Duane Laviniere
Hey, one more vote for me. I bet I get to win some hardware for this one.
Guess what, I know quite a few morons that didn't get into MIT either. Kukoo.
Duane Laviniere
>Tsk tsk tsk, calling people names, and ripping on, of all things, my sig.
>
>I will give you credit, you do seem to know how to pronounce my last
>name...very good, Duane.
>
>(You're right, the sig needs to be changed, I haven't touched it in like
>six months...;)
It was a funny hah hah joke, nothing more, nothing less. Take it any way you
please.
>Selective? Unlike you, I don't brag about my standardized test score, or
>what schools I got into. Are you really that insecure?
>
>BTW, my point, which went WAY over your head, was that schools can't tell
>and don't admit people based on "common sense." You exist as proof ;)
Way, WAY selective there. Remember how you agreed to compare scores and I told
you mine first and you told me yours pointing out where you beat me, especially
on the Math? You forget at very convenient times my friend. I must say that
most people need at least a decent bit of common sense to get into big name
schools b/c most of those essays are set up that way. I obviously didn't get
anywhere b/c I write great poetry, b/c I don't. I can't write worth shit, but
I guess I exhibited certain other qualities i.e. common sense.
>My my, you are insecure. Please put that thing back in your pants where it
>belongs please, I don't think that kind of behavior is even appropriate
>for advocacy. (We only talk about electronic extensions of our manhood
>here. ;)
Are comedians insecure? Do I have to be insecure to make a joke? Get a grip
Lee, jokes are jokes and that is that. I'm being funny, not defensive, but I
forgive you b/c text doesn't reflect my general mood.
>And as for passing you off for Joe Idiot, I don't really need to do a
>thing. You're doing an excellent job on your own, judging by the other
>posts in this thread...
Hey, I guess I am. Thank you Lee Master of the Universe. By the way Lee, why
don't you send me some more of your enlightening email telling me how much
smarter you are than me. Talk about insecure buddy. Think about this Lee.
You are shooting yourself in the foot by your posts. You rip me, Mike Shaver,
anyone about being stupid and so forth and call us insecure, but aren't you
being insecure in your actions? Putting others down to boost your ego? Hmm,
let me think, oh no, just being plain old superior Lee. Please, do tell more.
>*snif* you mean there are people out there who don't like me? i'm
>crushed...
I'm crushed that some people might think I'm an idiot :< Boo Hoo.
>Too bad I'm not as insecure as you are, otherwise I might actually have
>been hurt by that statement ;)
Gee Chet, could you be insecure? Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Lee, get
a grip of your own insecurities before you call anyone else insecure. I am
indifferent right now, how about you?
>OK, Mr. Free Thinker...tell me why it is so hard to see that, basically,
>GameFan is LYING. Tell me who isn't thinking for himself. Or did you not
>notice that the original press release and Nick's response don't quite jibe
>together?
How are you so sure Lee, are you omniscient? Do you know all? What ar the
lotto numbers for next week? You don't know do you. Nothing is positive in
this world unless you are to blame, get me? We don't know, and people ripping
GF for it is stupid. At least I am absorbing some of the pointless flames.
God knows I don't matter nearly as much as they do. No black or white, just
grey, so I'll stay with innocent until proven guilty on this one. My choice.
>Bravo! I stand in awe of your razor-sharp wit.
Thank you, I had to think about that one for a while :)
oh yeah, the sig...
Duane Laviniere
>Hey, I wonder if Duane is a good candidate for Kook-of-the-month?
>
>I dunno if his persecution complex is big enough, myself...
>
>He does seem to be the crusading type, though, I'll give him that...
Hey Lee, you seem to be the leader of the dolts lately. Come on, start up a
poll for kook of the month, and the winner gets some free hardware. I'll put
in one vote for myself. Calling me names does nothing to me really. Go right
ahead, you have my permission. God knows what I will do if I don't get the
approval of the gaming populous. We all know how high gamers are on the social
scale.
Duane Laviniere
>You are right RPI is in the armpit of town, as it should be.
>I am origanally from Glenville, NY and I can say that RPI isn't all you
>crack it up to be, I know I did research there and was not impressed.
>It you really got into MIT you should have gone there. By the sounds of
>your rambling it was not intellect that got you into these places but
>something else, I wonder what.
>How do you right an essay? I always write one.
MIT is a bit more of an armpit than RPI, although Boston does have it over Troy
any day. I liked MIT's people, but the school is too bah. It just didn't do
it for me. That and that hefty 30k/yr price tag. Have fun paying tuition,
I'll pass.
>Keep your my school is better than your shit out of the group please.
No, I won't. I do as I please, when I please. What are you gonna do, stop me?
Bwahhahaha. You foolish mortals amuse me. Carry on.
>P.S. DUKE is better than anywhere you got into anyway
Yeah, it kicks ass, no no, my schools kicks ass, no no, your school kicks ass.
Hmm, seems that we are dead-locked on this one folks. What's the tie-breaker?
mike m
(Grog Brewsnort) wrote:
> > >It's totally unfair that we have to go through this bashing when the
> > >main staff of GF IS NOT AT FAULT. It was discovered that a producer
> > >(which has been terminated) was at fault, and apparently did what he
> > >did with malicious intent. I can speak for the entire staff at GF when
> > >I say that we are deeply sorry for what happened. What more can we do?
>
> But wait, didn't the official "urgent" reply from GameFan say that it was
> sabotage by competitors by "weaving" text throughout the issue somewhere
> between HQ and the printer? But if it was a producer, then the urgent
> reply was a lie.
It didn't say anything about competitors. I don't see why it's so hard to
believe.
Dr. D. Donut
Duane Laviniere <lavind> writes:
> >Yup, same to you. Too bad you’ve got a lot of classes to still catch.
> >Call us again in a couple years when you start earning real money like
> >the rest of us.
>
> How many toilet bowls do you have to clean in one day to make a living mi
> friend?
Gee I wouldn’t know. What does an average union janitor make an hour
these days? Can anyone help up us on the Net about this one? I think
I’d be able to extrapolate from there and give you a guesstimate of how
many toilet bowls I would have to clean on a given day to earn the
equivalent of what I do now. But hey, we’re not here to discuss my job.
I mean sheesh, we wouldn’t want to get into a muck-slinging contest
about who’s got a better job -- it’s silly enough bragging about the
wonderful post-high school education we’re wasting on an idiot savant
monkey who can sure sling a slide rule. Can’t we just discuss our dick
sizes like real men?
> I thoroughly enjoyed your reply, how amusing. Oh well, I guess I'm
> just an interesting guy and all.
Oh you are! And by that I mean none of my usual sarcasm. You truly are
one extremely fascinating specimen. I thought the Vega boys were more
fun than a barrelful of greased monkeys, but you’re absolutely
priceless. We really must keep up this most enlightening and
entertaining banter. It’s not every day we have the honor of witnessing
incredible intellect, absolutely zero common sense, an enormous ego and
-273 Kelvin security bubble close to critical mass.
>I even got email from Lee Psycho, oooh I feel nasty.
How wonderful for you! See we care. We care a lot. Enjoy your
popularity while it lasts, friend.
>I tell you what, in a few years when I have my degree, I'll call you up
> and I'll hire you.
Awww shucks, really? How sweet of you to make such an offer. May I ask
exactly what you are studying? But in the meanwhile, I guess I better
keep my present job. I mean a degree that’s not yet completed doesn’t
exactly sound like a sure bet to risk not having to clean toilet bowls
for a living. Oh but please, I mean no offense by this. I’m sure with
your fine upstanding intellect and impeccable attitude you would be a
sure bet to do better than cleaning toilet bowls, something a bit more
sophisticated, something with more elan, something that would tax your
obvious intellect like say a short order cook at McDonalds or other
multinational corporations everyone knows and loves.
>You won't scrub another bowl for the rest of your life, OK?
Yes, I’m well aware of that fact. But thank you for that most excellent
thought. My my, it’s not just intellect you have to offer in friendship
but your most kind consideration about my well-being. I’m overwhelmed.
No really!
> You'll have the joy of working for me, and the vast empire I am going to
>start.
Ah yes, thank you for your most magnanimous offer. I’m truly sorry to
have been so terrible to you. I would be most honored to join you on
your jihad.
> I can see it now, Duane and Tidy Bowl Man side by side at the Board of
> Executives meeting.
Oh wow, I’ve even been gifted with a contemporary and affectionate
nickname that would look tres wunderbar in my non-existent sig file.
Thank you thank you thank you!!! We’d be a great team, don’t you know
it? We’d knock’em dead in the corporate jungle.
> <deep breath> Can you just smell it? It's success my man, SUCCESS.
Hmmm, never heard of that brand of aftershave. But listen pal, if you
want me as your right hand man, I’d better go about acquiring some of
it. That way I would at least be able to emulate your cosmetic
appearance since I must admit I would never be able to match your
utterly brilliant wit or your dexterity with difficult concepts.
>And I wreak of it.
Que? I don’t understand the deep significance of this sentence. It must
be because I’m a lowly moron. What exactly are you trying to wreak? I
don’t think it could be your credibility, can’t break what’s already
broken.
But really, we must speak again. But I must go tend to business. I
imagine the east coast banks are open now.
Dr. Duncan ‘The Tidy Bowl Man’ Donut, Tokyo
Johnny Proton
>How many toilet bowls do you have to clean in one day to make a living mi
>friend? I thoroughly enjoyed your reply, how amusing. Oh well, I guess I'm
>just an interesting guy and all. I even got email from Lee Psycho, oooh I feel
>nasty. I tell you what, in a few years when I have my degree, I'll call you up
>and I'll hire you. You won't scrub another bowl for the rest of your life, OK?
>You'll have the joy of working for me, and the vast empire I am going to start.
>I can see it now, Duane and Tidy Bowl Man side by side at the Board of
>Executives meeting. <deep breath> Can you just smell it? It's success my
>man, SUCCESS. And I wreak of it.
>
>>Dr. Duncan Donut, Tokyo
Fuck you, shit boy. You suck.
Flynn
<lots of meaningless long winded garbage best left un-reposted>
>--
> THE STREETS WILL FLOW WITH THE BLOOD OF THE NON-BELIEVER
>
> KiiLA - The Second Coming
>
Just thought I would put in my $0.02 as this has become one of the more
interesting threads to read on this group.
I agree with Lee... this Duane Laviniere has shown himself to be nothing
more than a kid who has a larger ego than his I.Q. can support. This
particular type of person will continue to argue with you on ANY and
EVERY point you bring up until he loses interest, at which point he will
then proceed to claim 'victory' over the argument and stop replying.
It would make me sad if I wasn't so busy laughing. :)
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Duane Laviniere
>In <427d8h$k...@usenet.rpi.edu>, lavind's attempt at communications was
><SNIP SNIP SNIP SNIP>
>Get out of a.g.mk with your goddamned stupid GF thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks, I needed that. Anyway, I didn't start the thread. I originally posted
a reply quitea while ago while I was on my Florida account. It may be a stupid
thread, but you don't have to read it and I didn't start it.
Duane Laviniere
>Gee I wouldnÕt know. What does an average union janitor make an hour
>these days? Can anyone help up us on the Net about this one? I think
>many toilet bowls I would have to clean on a given day to earn the
>I mean sheesh, we wouldnÕt want to get into a muck-slinging contest
>about whoÕs got a better job -- itÕs silly enough bragging about the
>wonderful post-high school education weÕre wasting on an idiot savant
>monkey who can sure sling a slide rule. CanÕt we just discuss our dick
>sizes like real men?
No, penis sizes wouldn't make sense ina video game group. Anyway, who is the
idiot savant monkey? What does savant mean? I'm not here to sling muck, just
mud incase you didn't know.
>Oh you are! And by that I mean none of my usual sarcasm. You truly are
>one extremely fascinating specimen. I thought the Vega boys were more
>fun than a barrelful of greased monkeys, but youÕre absolutely
>priceless. We really must keep up this most enlightening and
>entertaining banter. ItÕs not every day we have the honor of witnessing
>incredible intellect, absolutely zero common sense, an enormous ego and
>-273 Kelvin security bubble close to critical mass.
The Vega Bros are a neat bunch, but I refrain from flaming them b/c they do
carry on interesting conversations, just email them politely and you will see.
People think they're mrons or something, but they are pretty cool in my book.
Anyway, you are right about the incredible intellect :), but I don't think my
ego is so inflated. Did you ever see me make a post like that from my previous
account? Didn't think so. Maybe there was a valid reason for it? YES,
exactamundo. Now, common sense is all opinionated, but if you had enough, you
(including Lee and others) would notice that it would take a rather insecure
person to point out other's insecurities. Why do you call me insecure? Do I
feeel insecure? I don't think so. I feel rather indeifferent. What is there
to be insecure about when you are communicating through a monitor over millions
of miles? I don't know you. For all I know, you have zits and glasses or
maybe for all you know, I weight a ton and smell like urine. Thee is nothing
to be insecure about b/c there is no threat to any of us. Who gives a damn
about how others feel about you? Sheesh, I hope I COMMUNICATED that point
across to you.
>How wonderful for you! See we care. We care a lot. Enjoy your
>popularity while it lasts, friend.
I don't think I'm too popular. Hey, all these people are flaming me for
something I said, I guess that makes me popular. I guess I'll enjoy the flames
while they last, but that shouldn't be too long considering I
m wearing my asbestos suit (oh so itchy).
>Awww shucks, really? How sweet of you to make such an offer. May I ask
>exactly what you are studying? But in the meanwhile, I guess I better
>keep my present job. I mean a degree thatÕs not yet completed doesnÕt
>exactly sound like a sure bet to risk not having to clean toilet bowls
>for a living. Oh but please, I mean no offense by this. IÕm sure with
>your fine upstanding intellect and impeccable attitude you would be a
>sure bet to do better than cleaning toilet bowls, something a bit more
>sophisticated, something with more elan, something that would tax your
>obvious intellect like say a short order cook at McDonalds or other
>multinational corporations everyone knows and loves.
I am studying comp sys eng, and I don't have to worry about a job coming out of
college b/c if I keep my grades above 3.0 and keep my scholarships then I am
supposed to be guaranteed employment by IBM. I'm not bragging, b/c it is the
truth and it's impossible to brag about the truth. I just hope IBM is still a
big force in the PC world by then.
>Ah yes, thank you for your most magnanimous offer. IÕm truly sorry to
>have been so terrible to you. I would be most honored to join you on
>your jihad.
Please, stop groveling :)
>Hmmm, never heard of that brand of aftershave. But listen pal, if you
>want me as your right hand man, IÕd better go about acquiring some of
>it. That way I would at least be able to emulate your cosmetic
>appearance since I must admit I would never be able to match your
>utterly brilliant wit or your dexterity with difficult concepts.
Oh, I understand. I'm afraid I'm the sole owner of SUCCESS right now, but I'm
looking into marketing this great product.
>Que? I donÕt understand the deep significance of this sentence. It must
>be because IÕm a lowly moron. What exactly are you trying to wreak? I
>donÕt think it could be your credibility, canÕt break whatÕs already
>broken.
Ooops, meant reek or wreek or whatever means smell of. Ah well, there is more
insignificant spelling for you. I wasn't aware my credibility was shot. Hmm,
credibility of what though? This is a gaming group. What is there to be
credible of? I don't post news or codes. I don't think you can break what
never existed. I'm squeeky clean my man. Maybe if this was another group or
something, but video games? Please.
Duane Laviniere
>Fuck you, shit boy. You suck.
I now know how the Vega Bros felt. They are being called morons by utter
idiots. Fuck you shit boy, you suck? Impressive, but couldn't you do better
than that? At least tell me why I suck. Or why you want to fuck me. I'm
afraid I'm not that way my friend. This is really the best time I've ever had
online. Thatnk God you guys didn't just ignore me. God knows how productive
that coulda been.
Mark Garwatoski
smarts to get into RPI, MIT, ect. At least enough to know which boxes to
check that get you a sure exceptance.
JUST IGNORE THIS JERK!!
He is probably masterbating each response because this is the most
attention he has gotten since he learned to use the john.
Lee Saito
I should stop following up to old "Madd Dogg" here, but this is just too
tempting...
Duane Laviniere (lavind) wrote:
: arg...@rhf.bradley.edu (Lee Saito) wrote:
: >Selective? Unlike you, I don't brag about my standardized test score, or
: >what schools I got into. Are you really that insecure?
: >
: >BTW, my point, which went WAY over your head, was that schools can't tell
: >and don't admit people based on "common sense." You exist as proof ;)
: Way, WAY selective there. Remember how you agreed to compare scores and I told
: you mine first and you told me yours pointing out where you beat me, especially
: on the Math? You forget at very convenient times my friend. I must say that
: most people need at least a decent bit of common sense to get into big name
: schools b/c most of those essays are set up that way. I obviously didn't get
: anywhere b/c I write great poetry, b/c I don't. I can't write worth shit, but
: I guess I exhibited certain other qualities i.e. common sense.
I did not want to compare scores. Rather, it was you who wanted to compare
scores. I told you that I didn't want to get into a pissing match over
it, but somebody didn't listen...
I do save all my email, I'm sure I have it around here somewhere...
: >My my, you are insecure. Please put that thing back in your pants where it
: >belongs please, I don't think that kind of behavior is even appropriate
: >for advocacy. (We only talk about electronic extensions of our manhood
: >here. ;)
: Are comedians insecure? Do I have to be insecure to make a joke? Get a grip
: Lee, jokes are jokes and that is that. I'm being funny, not defensive, but I
: forgive you b/c text doesn't reflect my general mood.
Funny? You have a strange sense of humor, my friend. I stopped calling
people names in 1st grade ;)
: >And as for passing you off for Joe Idiot, I don't really need to do a
: >thing. You're doing an excellent job on your own, judging by the other
: >posts in this thread...
: Hey, I guess I am. Thank you Lee Master of the Universe. By the way Lee, why
: don't you send me some more of your enlightening email telling me how much
: smarter you are than me. Talk about insecure buddy. Think about this Lee.
: You are shooting yourself in the foot by your posts. You rip me, Mike Shaver,
: anyone about being stupid and so forth and call us insecure, but aren't you
: being insecure in your actions? Putting others down to boost your ego? Hmm,
: let me think, oh no, just being plain old superior Lee. Please, do tell more.
I would send you email, but your next to last mail to me was completely
blank (You *do* know how to use your mailer, right?) and your last mail
basically said "I have nothing more to say to you." Which was a lie,
obviously, because it looks like you have a bit more to say. Nothing
really worthwhile, but hey, nothing from you ever is...
I ripped on Mike Shaver? Like I said, I keep all my email...the exchange
was more like you asked me, "Do you have Mike Shaver's address?" I said "I
think is is xxx@xxxx, but I don't correspond with him regularly, so I'm not
sure." That was ripping on him?
Your reading comprehension skills need work too, you're the only one I'm
calling insecure. It's only too obvious, and I think your bloated ego
needs to have a few holes punched in it. Although you are apparently so
thick that you don't seem to get it...
: >Too bad I'm not as insecure as you are, otherwise I might actually have
: >been hurt by that statement ;)
: Gee Chet, could you be insecure? Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Lee, get
: a grip of your own insecurities before you call anyone else insecure. I am
: indifferent right now, how about you?
I am grinning ear to ear at your feeble rantings ;)
: >OK, Mr. Free Thinker...tell me why it is so hard to see that, basically,
: >GameFan is LYING. Tell me who isn't thinking for himself. Or did you not
: >notice that the original press release and Nick's response don't quite jibe
: >together?
: How are you so sure Lee, are you omniscient? Do you know all? What ar the
: lotto numbers for next week? You don't know do you. Nothing is positive in
: this world unless you are to blame, get me? We don't know, and people ripping
: GF for it is stupid. At least I am absorbing some of the pointless flames.
: God knows I don't matter nearly as much as they do. No black or white, just
: grey, so I'll stay with innocent until proven guilty on this one. My choice.
No, but common sense, which you lack, tells me that something is rotten in
the state of Denmark.
: >Bravo! I stand in awe of your razor-sharp wit.
: Thank you, I had to think about that one for a while :)
I figured as much. Hope you didn't spend too many hours on it ;)
: oh yeah, the sig...
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Duane Laviniere
Well, I'm a jerk now. Hmm, first a kook then a jerk, what next? Gar, take a
chill pill. I don't think people are ignoring just b/c I'm uninteresting, but
b/c they really have nothing to say. There is no evidence to prove that I'm an
egomaniac and no proof that GF is racist. Maybe you should stop spraying your
semen everytime you see one of my posts. Lighten up.
Duane Laviniere
>Just thought I would put in my $0.02 as this has become one of the more
>interesting threads to read on this group.
>
>I agree with Lee... this Duane Laviniere has shown himself to be nothing
>more than a kid who has a larger ego than his I.Q. can support. This
>particular type of person will continue to argue with you on ANY and
>EVERY point you bring up until he loses interest, at which point he will
>then proceed to claim 'victory' over the argument and stop replying.
So, I am a stupid little kid now. Hmm, I'm sure you guys can think of better
names than that. Mr. Lee has shown 0 ok? Squat man, b/c Mr. Lee appears to
have a hormonal imbalance that has him spewing garbage about everyone else's
insecurities. It takes an insecure person to point out another's insecurities.
Besides, what is there to be insecure about. Are you guys threatened by the
fact that I think I'm smart? Does it make you feel inferior? Are you so
insecure? Think about it you numbskull. You are all acting like kids just b/c
I said something to the effect that I'm smart. What would happen if I called
myself God? And lastly, if you have a strong argument and believe in it 100%,
you keep with it until the end. If you forfeit, you lose. Plain and simple.
>It would make me sad if I wasn't so busy laughing. :)
>
>
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Duane Laviniere <lavind> writes:
> jp00...@pop3.interramp.com (Dr. D. Donut) wrote:
> > But hey, we’re not here to discuss my job.
> >I mean sheesh, we wouldn’t want to get into a muck-slinging contest
> >about who’s got a better job -- it’s silly enough bragging about the
> >wonderful post-high school education we’re wasting on an idiot savant
> >monkey who can sure sling a slide rule. Can’t we just discuss our dick
> >sizes like real men?
>
> No, penis sizes wouldn't make sense ina video game group.
No, I suppose not. No more so than my non-occupation as the Tidy Bowl
Man, or what fine schools we both have/may have attended to date
either.
> Anyway, who is
> the idiot savant monkey? What does savant mean?
Idiot savant: Psychiatry. a mentally defective person with an
exceptional skill or talent in a special field, as a highly developed
ability to play music or to solve complex mathematical problems
mentally at great speed.
I guess that would also include the ability to make a total prat of
oneself on the Net by taking offense at something my pal Chris wrote to
some DHGF drone and assuming it was addressed to himself and dashing
off a hysterical (and hysterically funny) rant about getting into a
respected hall of higher education. BTW, savant means something all
together different, but in this case you can’t remove the modifier
‘idiot’.
The idiot savant monkey I was referring to was merely hypothetical, of
course, don’t you have any sort of reading comprehension? But then
again it doesn’t matter to computer wizards I guess.
> I'm not here to sling muck, just mud incase you didn't know.
I’m sorry. I should have spotted the distinction right off. I should
lay off the sauce when I need to face such indomitable intellect and
cold hard logic.
> >Oh you are! And by that I mean none of my usual sarcasm. You truly are
> >one extremely fascinating specimen. I thought the Vega boys were more
> >fun than a barrelful of greased monkeys, but you’re absolutely
> >priceless. We really must keep up this most enlightening and
> >entertaining banter. It’s not every day we have the honor of witnessing
> >incredible intellect, absolutely zero common sense, an enormous ego and
> >-273 Kelvin security bubble close to critical mass.
>
> The Vega Bros are a neat bunch, but I refrain from flaming them b/c they do
> carry on interesting conversations, just email them politely and you will
> see.
> People think they're mrons or something, but they are pretty cool in my
> book.
Oh I see, a kindred soul of the much beloved Vegas. However, I don’t
think people ‘think’ they’re morons, I’m pretty certain people know
them as morons in this neighborhood. But still, it’s fun having them
around. Every village needs an idiot or two to keep things interesting.
But that last statement is pretty anti-PC isn’t it? But hey, you
understand.
But you know what? You’re much more interesting a soul than them boys,
seeing as they’re nobodies -- I mean they’re not in RPI (was it? I
apologize for my mistake in believing you to be an MIT man).
> Anyway, you are right about the incredible intellect :), but I don't think > my ego is so inflated.
No doubt, no doubt. I am not always sarcastic. It might, however, help
if you look out for it.
> Did you ever see me make a post like that from my previous
> account? Didn't think so.
There you see? That’s what I mean about ego. Like I want to keep an eye
out for who my compatriots are on the information super highway all the
time? Why would I single you out as the one to watch out over for no
apparent cause? That said, I would have liked to make your acquaintance
earlier because I truly would love to see what pearls of wisdom have
rolled off your fingertips in the past. BTW, are you any relation to
Peter?
> Maybe there was a valid reason for it? YES,
> exactamundo. Now, common sense is all opinionated, but if you had enough, > you (including Lee and others) would notice that it would take a rather
> insecure person to point out other's insecurities.
Que? I’m sorry but I’m not following your line of reasoning here. But
please, do go on. I just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing, I hated
debates because that’s too formal and structured and oh so pretty
(vacant), but an opportunity to spar and parry with an intellect of
your caliber is one I just cannot pass up.
> Why do you call me insecure? Do I feeel insecure? I don't think so. I feel rather indeifferent. What is there
> to be insecure about when you are communicating through a monitor over millions
> of miles? I don't know you. For all I know, you have zits and glasses or
> maybe for all you know, I weight a ton and smell like urine. Thee is nothing
> to be insecure about b/c there is no threat to any of us. Who gives a damn
> about how others feel about you? Sheesh, I hope I COMMUNICATED that point
> across to you.
It just sounds that way to me when you have to drag out the names of
the fine halls of academia in an effort to prove a point that didn’t
concern you in the first place. But, you’re right. I have no way of
knowing if you feel insecure or not, especially since I don’t have a
clue what you look like, what your hobbies are, your sexual
orientation, etc., etc. So, my apologies friend, I’ll concede you this
point. Touche! BTW, I live in Tokyo. That doesn’t exactly sound like
millions of miles away, but I get your point.
[Duane’s offer to hire me when he graduates from college -- I guess
that’ll be at least several years being a frosh right?]
> >Awww shucks, really? How sweet of you to make such an offer. May I ask
> >exactly what you are studying? But in the meanwhile, I guess I better
> >keep my present job. I mean a degree that’s not yet completed doesn’t
> >exactly sound like a sure bet to risk not having to clean toilet bowls
> >for a living. Oh but please, I mean no offense by this. I’m sure with
> >your fine upstanding intellect and impeccable attitude you would be a
> >sure bet to do better than cleaning toilet bowls, something a bit more
> >sophisticated, something with more elan, something that would tax your
> >obvious intellect like say a short order cook at McDonalds or other
> >multinational corporations everyone knows and loves.
>
> I am studying comp sys eng, and I don't have to worry about a job coming
> out of college b/c if I keep my grades above 3.0 and keep my scholarships
> then I am supposed to be guaranteed employment by IBM.
I count ‘if X 2’ and ‘supposed to’ in this last sentence. Sounds like a
lottery ticket to me. But hey don’t mind me, you know you’ve got what
it takes to be a winner, am I right, or am I right? Well you have my
vote of confidence if it means anything at all. Good luck Duano (hey
that’s great Duano and the Tidy Bowl Man, we’d really be hit combo!).
> I'm not bragging,
> b/c it is the truth and it's impossible to brag about the truth.
Uh, sorry. That’s faulty logic. You sure as hell can brag about the
truth. For example consider a guy with a giant dong. He sure can brag
about that right? Or a football team that just demolished their
opposition, couldn’t they brag about their exploits while hoisting a
couple beers or dozens later? Or your case about being accepted by
distinguished schools.
> >Ah yes, thank you for your most magnanimous offer. I’m truly sorry to
> >have been so terrible to you. I would be most honored to join you on
> >your jihad.
>
> Please, stop groveling :)
Oh but I must, I wouldn’t want to lose your cherished friendship on
while we drive this highway of fire. (When we awake and find it gone,
remember this our favorite song. Sorry, couldn’t resist, the Talking
Heads were a great band. But I digress.)
> > > SUCCESS. I wreak of it.
> >Que? I don’t understand the deep significance of this sentence. It must
> >be because I’m a lowly moron. What exactly are you trying to wreak? I
> >don’t think it could be your credibility, can’t break what’s already
> >broken.
>
> Ooops, meant reek or wreek or whatever means smell of. Ah well, there is
> more insignificant spelling for you.
Oh I’m so sorry. How foolish of me. Everything is crystal clear now. I
should never be so literal in my thinking. But forgive me partner,
every time I see an opportunity to score a cheap laugh, well I’m there.
>I wasn't aware my credibility was shot. Hmm,
> credibility of what though? This is a gaming group. What is there to be
> credible of? I don't post news or codes. I don't think you can break what
> never existed.
Oh just your credibility as a logical thinker. But your last sentence
sums up my point succinctly and elegantly. I wish I was as talented as
you in delivering damning summations.
One last thing, and again, I beg of you to allow me to indulge in my
ignorance, what exactly is Kiila the Second Coming? I’ve been out of
America for so long I am truly out of touch.
Duane Laviniere
>I did not want to compare scores. Rather, it was you who wanted to compare
>scores. I told you that I didn't want to get into a pissing match over
>it, but somebody didn't listen...
I do believe that I led up to that about a year ago, but you can't deny that
you agreed to it. I didn't put gun to your head and make you relay your scores
back Lee. It was your choice, your decision.
>Funny? You have a strange sense of humor, my friend. I stopped calling
>people names in 1st grade ;)
Then you must not have had a fun childhood. Name calling was/is fun if you
look at it light heartedly. Sticks and stones break bones, but words never
hurt. Besides, I was only being funny about the penis thing. I never called
anyone names about that, just made a witty retort. Anyone could have seen
that, but then again text can't relay mood.
>I would send you email, but your next to last mail to me was completely
>blank (You *do* know how to use your mailer, right?) and your last mail
>basically said "I have nothing more to say to you." Which was a lie,
>obviously, because it looks like you have a bit more to say. Nothing
>really worthwhile, but hey, nothing from you ever is...
Senor Selectivity at his best. The entire letter said that I had lost my
previous message while using the UNIX window on my frie
nd dilorp@ PC. Email him for proof you jackass. I had only skimmed through
the 3 new letters I had that day, and if you contact TJ Thurber, you'd soon
find out that he ended up getting a blank letter with q/quit and other thiongs
I had typed in in a futile attempt to leave the mail list. I am positive that
this is consistent with the evidence, so you can't say I am lying. Why lie
Lee? Remember, I even asked you to resend the original since you save all your
mail. What's wrong Lee? Who's the asshole now? You must think I have a poor
memory, but I don't.
>I ripped on Mike Shaver? Like I said, I keep all my email...the exchange
>was more like you asked me, "Do you have Mike Shaver's address?" I said "I
>think is is xxx@xxxx, but I don't correspond with him regularly, so I'm not
>sure." That was ripping on him?
Mikey and I keep in touch regularly, and he has emailed me in the past (about 2
months ago) about this asshole Lee who gets on his nerves. We both seem to
share the same opinion about you Lee and your underhanded tactics at libel. If
you want to rip someone with their own material, at least include the evidence
that refutes your argument too instead of cutting and snipping like you do now.
>Your reading comprehension skills need work too, you're the only one I'm
>calling insecure. It's only too obvious, and I think your bloated ego
>needs to have a few holes punched in it. Although you are apparently so
>thick that you don't seem to get it...
You've called me insecure in the past for no apparent reason. Then, for some
reason you refrained from emailing me in any way whatsoever and now I guess you
see another chance to attack, but I'm not like everyone else online that just
run like a lame dog. I will sit and fight b/c I actually BELIEVE in my cause.
Do you? You had better, b/cI'm not gonna give up. I have conviction. I can't
wait until you guys give in. Right now a few are giving up the fight saying
that I am ignorant and beligerant and so forth mainly b/c my argument is so
strong. If my argument was as lame as you guys say it is, why am I not being
flamed by the entire newsgroup and why do I still have an argument? Bring it
on Lee, I'm waiting.
>: a grip of your own insecurities before you call anyone else insecure. I am
>: indifferent right now, how about you?
>
>I am grinning ear to ear at your feeble rantings ;)
I left my "rant" so everyone can see how you ignore the evidence with shit like
that. Grin on, it doesn't dismiss the fact that you got a problem with your
own insecurity. Why do you say I'm insecure? What do I have to be insecure
about? You're like a million miles away and probably are a gimp for all I
know. What am I to fear? What is so threatening? Why are you guys so
threatened by someone who admits that he got into MIT when accuse of being an
idiot? Try answering these qqquestions Lee or anyone else. I have been more
than fair in answering all of your questions. It's my turn on point. Answer
them dammit. Side stepping only makes my argument stronger.
>No, but common sense, which you lack, tells me that something is rotten in
>the state of Denmark.
What's rotten? Why do you guys point out that I lack common sense? Would
commone sense be the reason that I think OJ is guilty and not framed? I'm sure
common sense is the reason those black prison inmates were found innocent after
spending how many years in jail. Common sense might have thrown them in there.
It is a hunch, plain and simple. You have no proof. I have no proof. The
American judicial system says innocent until proven guilty. Suck it up bad
boy. You guys have exactly zippo on GF and yet you want to send them to the
chair. This is the REAL WORLD mi muchacho. I'm living in it. It's all
opinion.
>I figured as much. Hope you didn't spend too many hours on it ;)
Time elapsed: .0001 seconds...I won't my friend, I won't.
Duane Laviniere
>That statement speaks for itself!! $^) $^) $^)
Well at least we got the good doctor in the house. I admit that I said that I
got into MIT. Big fucking deal. If Lee Saito or yourself were to say that you
were richer than sin and could buy any of the next gen machines, it would
technically be bragging and it would be the truth, and I still wouldn't give a
shit. Am I like the only person unimpressed with the world? Maybe I shouldn't
be. Maybe I should get jealous and angry everytime someone says they got into
X school. Maybe I should get mad at all MIT.edu people b/c everytime they make
a post, they are telling people that they attend the great MIT. They are
braggers. They sure do suck. They are runts, little kids, asses, kooks and so
on. They really are bad people. In fact, all of MIT smells. MIT sucks and
anyone mentioning it in any video game newsgroup should be flamed off of their
ass. I have committed a serious crime punishable by law. I should be hung.
Ooops, I just realize that MIT is a fact. Therefore, going to or getting into
MIT is the truth. How can people brag about the truth? It is all opinionated.
What I consider bragging might be saying that I got a car, and what Lee Saito
might think is bragging might be saying that I own 500 cars. Or vice versa.
YOU ALL SEE? IT IS STINKIN OPINION. WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE OTHERS UNLESS WE ARE
TO BE JUDGED OURSELVES, AND I KNOW I POINTED THAT OUT IN MY RECENT STATEMENTS
ABOUT INSECURITY. THE WHOLE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND OPINION AND THAT IS WHERE
CONFLICTS COME IN. CONFLICTS OF OPINION CAUSE FLAMES AND THAT IS WHY I AM
BEING FLAMED. Not b/c I'm an ass or a koo or anything, but b/c there was a
conflict of opinion. Who decides who is right? I don't, you don't, the
majority doesn't. It's up to the individual. So you guys can flame me all you
want, but to me I'm right and to you your right and to me your wrong and to you
I'm wrong. Think about it before you go off flaming any old Joe. I don't
usually flame for no reason, but I do fight back. I guess this goes back to
the same netiquette that you all feel you are so desperately protecting, but
actually destroying. Be well.
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