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Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO

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Jan 5, 1995, 3:47:38 PM1/5/95
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Just picked this off the 3do Conference. It'll be pretty funny for the
3DO to get Primal Rage before the Jag.

3DO SOFTWARE LIBRARY EXPLODES WITH BEST-SELLING TITLES
MYST, DOOM, DOOM II, PRIMAL RAGE, AND MORE

REDWOOD CITY, Calif. January 4, 1995 The software library for the 3DO
Interactive Multiplayer system is expected to grow significantly in 1995,
with some of the most popular, best-selling titles of all time, such as
Myst, Doom, Doom II: Hell on Earth, and Primal Rage.

Other blockbuster titles scheduled for delivery this year include Return
Fireª from Prolific Publishing; Wing Commander¨ III: Heart of the Tiger
from Origin Systems; Immercenary from Electronic Arts; Killing Time from
Studio 3DO; Cyberia and Kingdom: The Far Reaches from Interplay
Productions; GEX from Crystal Dynamics; Policenauts from Konami; The 11th
Hour: Sequel to the 7th Guest from Virgin Interactive Entertainment; Flying
Nightmares from Domark Software; Loadstar: The Legend of Tully Bodine and
Cadillacs and Dinasours: The Second Cataclysm from Rocket Science; and fun Ôn
games from Panasonic Software Company.

Several highly anticipated titles hit retail shelves early this week. Star
Blade, a popular arcade property developed by Namco for Panasonic Software
Company has been released for use in the home on the 3DO system. NovaStorm
from Psygnosis and Shanghai: Triple Threat from Activision were also
released this week.

The 3DO software library already represents unprecedented realism across all
categories for consumers, said Bob Lindsey, 3DOs Senior Vice President of
Marketing and General Manager, Studio 3DO. The current line-up of announced
1995 3DO titles is outstanding, and there are over 150 titles in development.
Whats more is that many of the hottest titles scheduled for release havenÕt
been announced yet ... stay tuned for future news. Consumers can expect the
unmatched depth and realism in upcoming titles that they've come to know and
expect from award-winning 3DO products.

In Myst, one of the most popular video games in history, players travel
through surreal landscapes while solving puzzles to unlock the mysteries of
an alternate universe. Myst is expected to be available from Panasonic
Software Company in February at a suggested retail price of $69.95.

Art Data Interactive (ADI) is converting and enhancing id Software's
enormously successful Doom and Doom II: Hell on Earth for the 3DO
Interactive Multiplayer system. Doom will be available for the 3DO system in
spring 1995, and Doom II is expected to be available later in 1995.

With the 3DO version of Doom, we've taken full advantage of the 3DO system's
superior graphics animation, multiprocessing, and sound capabilities, said
Randy Scott, ADI's CEO. There will be higher resolution graphics and
full-spectrum audio in our fast and furious 3DO version of Doom. Doom II
will include some extensive enhancements, new levels, and special surprises.

Primal Rage, Time Warner Interactive's arcade hit is being developed for the
3DO platform and is expected to be released this fall.

The unprecedented power and performance of 3DO hardware and software provides
consumers with the most realistic and engaging experience on any platform
available today. 3DO products are sweeping awards, including Best System of
1994 from Die Hard Game Fan magazine, Best Overall Game System/Best Audio in
a consumer study conducted by The Los Angeles Daily News, the Best Game
System of 1994 from the Miami Herald, and the Ultimate System of Choice from
the Philadelphia Daily News. The 3DO system was also named the 1993 No. 1
Best Product of the Year by Time magazine, and Best of What's New by
Popular Science in its December 1993 annual issue, The Year's 100 Greatest
Achievements in Science & Technology.

About 100 3DO titles have been released in the United States, with about 140
distinct software products available worldwide in a variety of categories,
including sports, arcade, and action adventure games, family entertainment,
and education and reference titles. 3DO software titles and Panasonic and
Goldstar 3DO Interactive Multiplayer systems and Creative Labs 3DO Blaster
PC card are available throughout the United States and Canada at about 6,500
retail locations, and through 3DO Direct Sales at (800) 336-3506.

Based in Redwood City, Calif., The 3DO Company (NASDAQ:THDO) develops and
licenses advanced interactive technology to hardware and software companies
worldwide. The company's initial product design, the 3DO Interactive
Multiplayer system, was created to deliver a breakthrough in interactive
entertainment at an affordable price. 3DO also develops, publishes, and
distributes CD-ROM software products for the 3DO system.

# # #

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Martin M. Hunt System Software Engineer The 3DO Company
mar...@3do.com


Ben Raphael

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Jan 5, 1995, 9:35:59 PM1/5/95
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This sounds great, I can't wait to see Primal Rage!!!
-Ben


Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO (fr...@clark.net) wrote:
: Just picked this off the 3do Conference. It'll be pretty funny for the

Raymond Zyck

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Jan 5, 1995, 9:40:49 PM1/5/95
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Just picked this off the 3do Conference. It'll be pretty funny for the
>3DO to get Primal Rage before the Jag.

I'm not surprised since software developers are having a tough
time with the atari development kit and it is difficult to push the jag
without
it getting buggy. This might be one reason software is sloow to arrive
for
the jag. In comparison software developers have a much easier time with
the 3do.
-
RAYMOND ZYCK NMA...@prodigy.com


Robert A. Jung

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Jan 5, 1995, 11:25:31 PM1/5/95
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In article <3eiajh$17...@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NMA...@prodigy.com (Raymond Zyck) writes:
>Just picked this off the 3do Conference. It'll be pretty funny for the
>>3DO to get Primal Rage before the Jag.
>
>I'm not surprised since software developers are having a tough
>time with the atari development kit and it is difficult to push the jag
>without it getting buggy.

Well, we know now that both Raymond and "Pink" don't read the Atari/Jaguar
newsgroups, nor the Jaguar FAQ. After all, PRIMAL RAGE was announced for the
Jaguar two months ago...

("It's pretty funny for the Jaguar to get DOOM long before the 3DO.")

--R.J.
B-)

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AndrewWelc

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Jan 6, 1995, 5:28:50 AM1/6/95
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> ("It's pretty funny for the Jaguar to get DOOM long before the 3DO.")

Pretty funny that 3DO is getting Doom II and the Jaguar isn't...

Regards,

Andrew Welch
Ambrosia Software, Inc.

Grue

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Jan 6, 1995, 9:23:14 AM1/6/95
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In article <3ej612$o...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

AndrewWelc <andre...@aol.com> wrote:
>> ("It's pretty funny for the Jaguar to get DOOM long before the 3DO.")
>
>Pretty funny that 3DO is getting Doom II and the Jaguar isn't...

What's the point of putting out DOOM and DOOM II for the 3DO? If they come
out one after the other, nobody will buy DOOM, and if they sit on DOOM II
for months, nobody will want it by then.

>Regards,
>
>Andrew Welch
>Ambrosia Software, Inc.

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Robert A. Jung

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Jan 6, 1995, 10:25:35 PM1/6/95
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In article <3ej612$o...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> andre...@aol.com (AndrewWelc) writes:
>Pretty funny that 3DO is getting Doom II and the Jaguar isn't...

I thought the official 3DO.advocate position was "Who needs DOOM anyway?
It's a dumb game, figures it'd go to the Jaguar instead of a _real_ machine."
That was what kept popping up around here a few months back.

Or should I not be surprised that 3DO.advocates are now slobbering over
themselves at getting DOOM and DOOM II? "Oooh, oooh! We get _both_ versions
of DOOM on the 3DO, it's such a cool game!"...

*Sigh*

Chris Curry

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Jan 7, 1995, 4:51:11 AM1/7/95
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In article <rjungD2...@netcom.com>, rj...@netcom.com says...

>
>In article <3ej612$o...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> andre...@aol.com
(AndrewWelc) writes:
>>Pretty funny that 3DO is getting Doom II and the Jaguar isn't...
>
> I thought the official 3DO.advocate position was "Who needs DOOM anyway?
>It's a dumb game, figures it'd go to the Jaguar instead of a _real_
machine."
>That was what kept popping up around here a few months back.

I don't think anyone (even 3DO advs) called Doom a dumb game, heck they
would probably get shot if they did :-)
I think it was more the PC Doom advs that that were criticizing the Jag
version to inferior to the PC version and that they already had it so what
was the purpose of buying it fro the Jag.

> Or should I not be surprised that 3DO.advocates are now slobbering over
>themselves at getting DOOM and DOOM II? "Oooh, oooh! We get _both_
>versions of DOOM on the 3DO, it's such a cool game!"...

I think you're exaggerating the reaction.
I personally wasn't overly excited with Doom in the first place.
I don't generally like computer games anyway.

But if ADI enhances the graphics and sound as well as add all the additional
levels etc. that they are claiming then I might just pick it up.
But if its just plain Doom, then I'll save my money.

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Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO

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Jan 7, 1995, 9:44:38 AM1/7/95
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Robert A. Jung (rj...@netcom.com) wrote:
: Well, we know now that both Raymond and "Pink" don't read the Atari/Jaguar

: newsgroups, nor the Jaguar FAQ. After all, PRIMAL RAGE was announced for the
: Jaguar two months ago...
Let's face the truth: the JAG gets software very Slow. I hear the JAG CD has
been delayed to MARCH now. Well what did you expect?

rich

Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO

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Jan 7, 1995, 9:46:44 AM1/7/95
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Robert A. Jung (rj...@netcom.com) wrote:
: I thought the official 3DO.advocate position was "Who needs DOOM anyway?

: It's a dumb game, figures it'd go to the Jaguar instead of a _real_ machine."
: That was what kept popping up around here a few months back.

: Or should I not be surprised that 3DO.advocates are now slobbering over
: themselves at getting DOOM and DOOM II? "Oooh, oooh! We get _both_ versions
: of DOOM on the 3DO, it's such a cool game!"...

Actually, we are anxiously awaiting Doom because it should do something
to the Jag owners that nothing else has been able to do: shut them up.

rich

Mr. Bruce H

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Jan 7, 1995, 1:21:09 PM1/7/95
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In article <D1zMM...@nntpa.cb.att.com> thomas...@att.com writes:
>
>What's the point of putting out DOOM and DOOM II for the 3DO? If they come
>out one after the other, nobody will buy DOOM, and if they sit on DOOM II
>for months, nobody will want it by then.

Perhaps, if their not trying to screw their potential market, they
could put Doom and Doom II on a single CD. Add the WADs for all the other
cool characters, and fill the rest of the CD with levels. Then again, I must
be crazy to think that a software company could possible give you more bang
for the buck.

-B (who doesn't even use all the features of Adobe Photoshop)
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Mr. Bruce H

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Jan 7, 1995, 1:38:48 PM1/7/95
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In article <3em9gk$9...@clarknet.clark.net> fr...@clark.net (Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO) writes:
>Actually, we are anxiously awaiting Doom because it should do something
>to the Jag owners that nothing else has been able to do: shut them up.

Funny, I would think that this would have the reverse effect. Then
again, I responding to someone who's got their favorite console stuck into
his name field. Not to mention your frequent posts to the Atari groups. Very
easy to see what's bothering you, eh? Console envy. Plain and simple.
What's going to happen is that when Doom comes out for Pink Floyd the
barber's 3DO, you'll be first in line to tell us all that it kicks the crap out
of the Jag's version. Even though the Jag version was done by Id themselves.
Just post that now, so we can get on with our lives. We already know what
your verdict will be. Save yourself the time, and be first in line.
Really though, do you *ever* think, even for a moment, that either side
will ever shut up? Let's see, oh Doom and Doom II out on 3DO! Gosh Pink Floyd
will be playing this and lovin' it! I'd just better shut up now...
Get realistic!

Thanks for playing!

Robert A. Jung

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Jan 7, 1995, 7:16:17 PM1/7/95
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In article <3em9gk$9...@clarknet.clark.net> fr...@clark.net (Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO) writes:
>Actually, we are anxiously awaiting Doom because it should do something
>to the Jag owners that nothing else has been able to do: shut them up.

I see your insecurities are showing again. B-) I mean, I'm surprised the
Jaguar supporters and/or 3DO naysayers (take your pick) aren't already going
excited with "Gee, so much for the claims of a lower-priced REAL, huh?"

(For those who haven't heard, Panasonic has announced that their
re-engineered Multiplayer will be selling at the same $400 price as the
current Multiplayer. So much for passing savings to the consumer. And
Marty's reports of disgruntled 3DO developers aren't promising, either...)

Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO

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Jan 7, 1995, 9:11:58 PM1/7/95
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Mr. Bruce H (th...@netcom.com) wrote:
: What's going to happen is that when Doom comes out for Pink Floyd the

: barber's 3DO, you'll be first in line to tell us all that it kicks the crap out
: of the Jag's version. Even though the Jag version was done by Id themselves.

I suppose ID could have done Doom on the Timex Sinclair 1000, but it
would still have been a piece of crap. I'm not arguing ID's programming
skills; theirs is top notch. What's funny is that even with ID doing the
coding, the Jag version of Doom is so Ho Hum. I guess there is only so
much one can do with crappy hardware after all.

rich

Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO

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Jan 7, 1995, 9:13:46 PM1/7/95
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Robert A. Jung (rj...@netcom.com) wrote:
: (For those who haven't heard, Panasonic has announced that their

: re-engineered Multiplayer will be selling at the same $400 price as the
: current Multiplayer. So much for passing savings to the consumer. And
: Marty's reports of disgruntled 3DO developers aren't promising, either...)

I suppose the fact that 3DO outsold every other console this Christmas
season is indication that the price is too high? Hmmm??

rich

Kendall Gelner

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Jan 6, 1995, 11:41:36 PM1/6/95
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In article <3em9gk$9...@clarknet.clark.net> fr...@clark.net (Pink floyd like 2
play 3DO) writes:

Do you honestly think taht the mere release of Doom will quiet Jaguar
supporters? Hardly! I hereby present my list of why the 3DO version of Doom
looks better than the Jaguar version:

1) Had more time/experience with machine to work on it
2) CD can hold more data.

:-) (though actually the list above is somewhat serious)

Mr. Bruce H

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Jan 8, 1995, 2:13:14 PM1/8/95
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In article <3enhle$n...@clarknet.clark.net> fr...@clark.net (Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO) writes:
>
>I suppose ID could have done Doom on the Timex Sinclair 1000, but it
>would still have been a piece of crap. I'm not arguing ID's programming
>skills; theirs is top notch. What's funny is that even with ID doing the
>coding, the Jag version of Doom is so Ho Hum. I guess there is only so
>much one can do with crappy hardware after all.

Well, having played Doom extensivly on the Jag, as well as seeing it
on a Sun workstation (at work, so I don't actually play it much there ;) I
can say that JagDoom does an excellent job of dealing with the "crappy"
hardware. I would very much like to see 3DOom when it comes out. It'll be a
good way to judge the two machines.

A G Jackson

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Jan 9, 1995, 4:49:17 AM1/9/95
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In article <rjungD2...@netcom.com>, rj...@netcom.com (Robert A. Jung) writes:
|> In article <3ej612$o...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> andre...@aol.com (AndrewWelc) writes:
|> >Pretty funny that 3DO is getting Doom II and the Jaguar isn't...
|>
|> I thought the official 3DO.advocate position was "Who needs DOOM anyway?
|> It's a dumb game, figures it'd go to the Jaguar instead of a _real_ machine."
|> That was what kept popping up around here a few months back.

No such thing as an official position. Oddly enough there are *people* out there
who buy games machines. And I never saw anything quite as bad as what you're
putting into peoples' mouths there, though it came close at times. Certainly
I never saw any bashing of the Jaguar related to the 3DO not having Doom.

|> Or should I not be surprised that 3DO.advocates are now slobbering over
|> themselves at getting DOOM and DOOM II? "Oooh, oooh! We get _both_ versions
|> of DOOM on the 3DO, it's such a cool game!"...

Of course not. Wouldn't a lot of Jaguar advocates be fairly happy to get SSFII
and SSFIII if 3DO was only to have SSFII?

And not wanting to suggest a slight hint of hypocrisy, but wasn't it you who was
pushing the '3DO isn't as powerful as Jaguar because it hasn't got Doom' line as
far as it would go and then some?

|> *Sigh*

Indeedy.

Adrian

James A. Squires

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Jan 9, 1995, 1:07:34 PM1/9/95
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Let's see, why *would* MEI price it at US$399?

1. To make a profit (what a concept).
2. To have a margin for price drop when they need to (hmmm, could be).

And oh dear, our UN-biased field reporter, *Marty*, found some
disgruntled 3DO developers. Well that's it, 3DO is STONE DEAD!!!

Give me a break.
-JAS

Kevin Haley

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Jan 9, 1995, 2:03:29 PM1/9/95
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fr...@clark.net (Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO) writes:

>: Or should I not be surprised that 3DO.advocates are now slobbering over
>: themselves at getting DOOM and DOOM II? "Oooh, oooh! We get _both_ versions
>: of DOOM on the 3DO, it's such a cool game!"...

>Actually, we are anxiously awaiting Doom because it should do something
>to the Jag owners that nothing else has been able to do: shut them up.

What will shut you up? You like to harrass alt.atari-jaguar.discussion (a
Jaguar specific group) with 3DO drivel.

/Kevin

>rich

Kevin Haley

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Jan 9, 1995, 2:04:38 PM1/9/95
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andre...@aol.com (AndrewWelc) writes:

>> ("It's pretty funny for the Jaguar to get DOOM long before the 3DO.")

>Pretty funny that 3DO is getting Doom II and the Jaguar isn't...

Why would you want both Doom and Doom II? And what happened to the "Doom
is an old game" argument 3DO people used to spew?

Personally, I'd rather have Heretic on the Jag than Doom II.

/Kevin

Kevin Haley

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Jan 9, 1995, 2:09:59 PM1/9/95
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fr...@clark.net (Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO) writes:

AHAHAHAHA! Wake up! You're turning into a delusioned idiot! There is NO
WAY that 3DO sales outsold sales of Genesis and SNES systems.

Sales of video game consoles, overall, were down. The # of 3DOs sold is
"approaching 500,000" (whatever that means). From the observations of
those in Japan, 3DO sales are drying up (due to Saturn and PSX). The
number of 3DOs sold in Europe is approx. 10,000, a pitiful number. The
U.S. is the only remaining place where 3DO sales are good, and the
installed base in the U.S. is only estimated at 150-200,000.

Yeah, sure. These numbers are multitudes higher than what can be expected
of SNES, Genesis, and 32X sales this past Christmas. NOT!

/Kevin

>rich

Doug Goodridge

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Jan 9, 1995, 3:27:03 PM1/9/95
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James A. Squires (j...@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com) wrote:
: And oh dear, our UN-biased field reporter, *Marty*, found some

: disgruntled 3DO developers. Well that's it, 3DO is STONE DEAD!!!

Have you ever noticed how the disgruntled developers tend to be the ones
who release the crappiest software. It has been my observation that the
sloppiest programers are the first one to give up on a particular format.

It goes something like this:

1. Sloppysoft releases crappy version of Mortal Way of the Secret Killer
Samauri 5 for a particular system when the system is at its peak.
2. Because of the number of systems out their, this version sells quite
well because their are enough people who rushed out to buy the game first
day on the shelves and enough people who subsequently did not hear how
crappy it was. So Sloppysoft makes a decent profit off their release.
3. As new systems enter the market less and less attention is paid to the
quality of releases for the systems they developed for in the past and
the software releases become that much crappier.
4. Sales for particular system version of releases drop as a result of
poor quality.
5. Sloppysoft announces that they are not going to produce anything more
for a particular system because returns are so poor. (despite the fact
that there may be a million or more owners of that particular system).

If the software houses would pay more attention to quality and
playability, they would see returns on their investment. Things like rush
jobs, and not enough beta testing tend to end up looking exactly like
that. Particularly when they go to port a game from another format.

It's kinda sad that some software houses rely on the fact that there are
enough owners of a particular system to get a return on their profit
despite the quality of the software they release. Unfortunately that is
precisely the case.

dougg

Robert A. Jung

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In article <3er0qt$2...@mercury.dur.ac.uk> A G Jackson <A.G.J...@durham.ac.uk> writes:
>Of course not. Wouldn't a lot of Jaguar advocates be fairly happy to get SSFII
>and SSFIII if 3DO was only to have SSFII?

Just speaking for myself, but I'm sick and tired of the SF2 derivatives
from Capcom. With DARKSTALKERS and X-MEN, they've become a one-game company.
The word that they're now doing SF2: THE MOVIE (with digitized graphics)
makes me cringe horribly.

>And not wanting to suggest a slight hint of hypocrisy, but wasn't it you who
>was pushing the '3DO isn't as powerful as Jaguar because it hasn't got Doom'
>line as far as it would go and then some?

Not to my recollection (though I do recall commenting about Id Software's
total disdain for CD-ROM games, much of which I agree with). If you want to
dig up some quotes, I'll humbly wear the "hypocrite" sign.

But not before. B-)

A G Jackson

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In article <khaley.7...@gmi.edu>, kha...@nova.gmi.edu (Kevin Haley) writes:
|> andre...@aol.com (AndrewWelc) writes:
|>
|> >> ("It's pretty funny for the Jaguar to get DOOM long before the 3DO.")
|>
|> >Pretty funny that 3DO is getting Doom II and the Jaguar isn't...
|>
|> Why would you want both Doom and Doom II? And what happened to the "Doom
|> is an old game" argument 3DO people used to spew?
|>
|> Personally, I'd rather have Heretic on the Jag than Doom II.

What happened to the "Doom is the coolest game ever in the existence of computers
and we're getting it and you aren't so nyer!" argument Jaguar people used to spew?

Adrian

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Jan 10, 1995, 6:21:56 AM1/10/95
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In article: 12798 of rec.games.video.advocacy
j...@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (James A. Squires) said

>
> And oh dear, our UN-biased field reporter, *Marty*, found some
> disgruntled 3DO developers. Well that's it, 3DO is STONE DEAD!!!
>
> Give me a break.
> -JAS
>

Notice that Jer Horowitz report said very similar things about 3DO.

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> Not to my recollection (though I do recall commenting about Id
> Software's total disdain for CD-ROM games, much of which I agree with).
> If you want to dig up some quotes, I'll humbly wear the "hypocrite"
sign.

Just FYI, Doom II for the PC comes on a CD ROM. Things that make you go
"hmmmm". :)

It ain't the medium, it's how you use it.

Cheers,

Andrew
Regards,

A G Jackson

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Jan 11, 1995, 8:20:47 AM1/11/95
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In article <3euhpd$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, andre...@aol.com (AndrewWelc) writes:
|> > Not to my recollection (though I do recall commenting about Id
|> > Software's total disdain for CD-ROM games, much of which I agree with).
|> > If you want to dig up some quotes, I'll humbly wear the "hypocrite"
|> sign.
|>
|> Just FYI, Doom II for the PC comes on a CD ROM. Things that make you go
|> "hmmmm". :)
|>
|> It ain't the medium, it's how you use it.

Indeed, and if I recall the article in 3DO magazine correctly, they will be using
it to put on FMV clips. That'll add *stacks* to the gameplay. No, really it will.

To be fair, there was also mention of the possibility of extra levels.

Adrian

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Jan 11, 1995, 1:53:15 PM1/11/95
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Uh, according to the people at Art Data, here is what is to be added:

* more and higher resolution bitmaps, which will give more variety in
walls and
objects, and decrease blockiness up close

* more frames of animation and increased detail on enemies

* more levels and more secrets

* FMV -between the levels-

There, make of it what you will.

-Mark

Doug Goodridge

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Jan 11, 1995, 11:07:14 PM1/11/95
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A G Jackson (A.G.J...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
: Indeed, and if I recall the article in 3DO magazine correctly, they will be using

: it to put on FMV clips. That'll add *stacks* to the gameplay. No, really it will.

So what? What's your beef with FMV? Jealousy perhaps? I personally
enjoy the FMV sequences as intro and between levels. Granted its just a
form of window dressing, but so are all the fancy graphics. You could
essentially take away the window dressing from Street Fighter and have
two stick men going at it, but would you settle for that? Of course
not. There is nothing wrong with FMV if it is used properly and can
actually increase the game's enjoyability. Nobody wants a series of FMV
clips tacked together and called a game, but do you honestly believe that
Doom will just toss aside its playability and be all FMV?
Get a grip.

dougg

greg long

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Jan 9, 1995, 7:39:12 PM1/9/95
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In article <3enhle$n...@clarknet.clark.net> fr...@clark.net (Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO) writes:
>From: fr...@clark.net (Pink floyd like 2 play 3DO)
>Subject: Re: 3DO Pr, Primal Rage, Doom, Myst
>Date: 8 Jan 1995 02:11:58 GMT

should i say too Quote Travis Guy "Pot, Kettle, Black"
the 3DO and the Jag will never be top dogs in the "32/64 bit war"
but i think both will be survivors with a continuing support and user base. I
think the Jag will allways be able too do what ever the 3dO can do... If the
programers want too wade though coding 5 cpus all in assemblly. And i think
most or all of the Jag titles can be Done on the 3DO just as well unless the
Jag gets some awesome development tools too really harnes the hardware.
So i think Games on both will be about the same calliber. What i am getting
too ..It looks, If you want the TOP NOTCH ARCADE games you should buy a
PSX , Saturn or nintendos not seen yet Vapor ware.

Greg Long

>rich

F.Schober

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Jan 11, 1995, 1:05:00 PM1/11/95
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On 10.01.95 dmansell # cix.compulink.co.uk@242:4900/99.0 said something about
"Re: 3DO Pr, Primal Rage, Doom, Myst"...

dcccu> > And oh dear, our UN-biased field reporter, *Marty*, found some
dcccu> > disgruntled 3DO developers. Well that's it, 3DO is STONE DEAD!!!
dcccu> Notice that Jer Horowitz report said very similar things about 3DO.

Me, too. I got flames, Marty got flamed. Jer? Don't know.

People hat to get bad news and kill the courier.

CU [3] PLAY STATION <U>
F.Schober (D) SATURN / 32X <6>
<O> SNES GENESIS <4>

Kevin Haley

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Jan 13, 1995, 9:02:33 AM1/13/95
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mcsu...@aol.com (MCSumner) writes:

>Kevin Haley says "AHAHAHAHA! Wake up! You're turning into a delusioned


>idiot! There is NO WAY that 3DO sales outsold sales of Genesis and SNES
>systems."

>Funny, Kev. Try it on the national sales managers from Babbage's and
>Software Etc., who maintain that the 3DO did outsell those consoles --
>combined.

Now go talk to the managers at Best Buy, Kmart, Wal-Mart, Meijer's, Sears,
Target, etc. What? 3DO sales couldn't even come close to Genesis/SNES
sales?

Just because 3DO may have outsold those consoles at 2 small retail chains
in a mall, doesn't mean that 3DO outsold those consoles overall. There's a
*very big* difference between the two.

/Kevin

Kevin Haley

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Jan 13, 1995, 9:07:46 AM1/13/95
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A G Jackson <A.G.J...@durham.ac.uk> writes:

>|> >> ("It's pretty funny for the Jaguar to get DOOM long before the 3DO.")
>|>
>|> >Pretty funny that 3DO is getting Doom II and the Jaguar isn't...
>|>

>|> Personally, I'd rather have Heretic on the Jag than Doom II.

>What happened to "Doom is the coolest game ever in the existence of computers
>and were getting it and you aren't so nyer!" argument Jag people used to spew?

I thought that argument already died, because Jag people have Doom right
now. :-) Seriously, what is Doom II going to give you? Just a few more
monsters and a few more levels. I'd rather have a totally different game.

What is both Doom and Doom II gonna do for 3DO? Do you think people will
buy both versions? Highly doubtful; they'll skip Doom and go straight for
Doom II. (Unless, of course, both games end up on the same disc).

/Kevin

>Adrian

Scott Le Grand

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Jan 13, 1995, 12:20:43 PM1/13/95
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Then again, if 3DO Doom at all resembles the FMV I saw for it at the
Art Data Booth, jag fans have >nothing< to worry about, it will suck,
and it will suck royally... Maybe they'll go the route of Crystal
Dynamics and add hecklers to their own FMV...

Imagine FMV with the acting quality of _Baywatch_ and the special FX
of _Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea_. Yes, it was that bad, and
no Pamela Anderson to distract you from its failings, just a wimpy
Darrien Lambert look and feelalike as "Our Hero"...

To be fair, their company logo FMV is funny, a rip on _Bambi versus Godzilla_,
but funny nonetheless...

Scott

I told you guys that FMV and Doom wouldn't mix...

Kujawa, Kraig J.

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Jan 13, 1995, 12:42:00 PM1/13/95
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>Just because 3DO may have outsold those consoles at 2 small retail chains
>in a mall, doesn't mean that 3DO outsold those consoles overall. There's a
>*very big* difference between the two.
>
>/Kevin
>

Kevin, you and I both know that those two small retail chains comprise
a huge bulk of the video game sales in this nation.


-Kraig

Kevin Haley

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Jan 17, 1995, 1:38:29 PM1/17/95
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st...@jane.uh.edu (Kujawa, Kraig J.) writes:

>>Just because 3DO may have outsold those consoles at 2 small retail chains
>>in a mall, doesn't mean that 3DO outsold those consoles overall. There's a
>>*very big* difference between the two.
>>

>Kevin, you and I both know that those two small retail chains comprise
>a huge bulk of the video game sales in this nation.

NOT! Babbage's and EB? The reason why 3DO sales are so good at those
outlets is because people can't find 3DOs at other outlets!

I would be *extremely surprised* to find out that software sales at EB and
Babbage's comprise a huge chunk of the total sales, combined with Toys R
Us, Wal Mart, Best Buy, Venture, K Mart, Meijer's, Sam's, etc. It's simply
not possible. My local Best Buy sells about twice as many video games as
the two local Babbage's in my area, combined.

If EB and Babbage's sales comprised a huge bulk of video game sales in the
country, then the fact that AvP held steady in the Top Ten Lists during the
Christmas season should indicate that several hundreds of thousands of
Jaguars have been sold, which is not the case either.

/Kevin

>-Kraig

unusualg...@gmail.com

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