Am I dreaming all of this?
meat
1996 was probably a very anticipated year for me...I will be
publishing my first medical paper; I will be volunteering for
the Olympics in Atlanta; I will be purchasing a NU64 in
April...oops, wait a second! Something is wrong here! Now,
the research is still going on; to the best of my knowledge,
the Olympic commitee has not delayed or changed the venue
of the 96 Olympics...oh, I know! The NU64; or rather
the late NU64. An incredible machine it was...you know,
Next Generation said that the NU64 could do real time
ray tracing!!! (Sigh) May the lord have mercy on its soul!
Well, with the demise of the NU64, Nintendo quickly
announced the September 30th launch of its inferior cousin,
the N64(no real time ray tracing:( ). And for a brief moment,
we actually began to believe that dinosaurs would indeed be
capable of prolonged flight in late summer of 1996. But then,
as a sign of the impending apocalypse, we learned that
Nintendo's darling, their sweet heart Square was flirting
with another. Of course, it had to be conjecture. There was
no way that Square would leave her beloved! And for whom?
Sony? That new kid on the block? That handsome, dashing,
rich new kid on the block? And then it was true, pictures
of the betrayal surfaced on the internet. The offspring of
their adultry would in fact be (gasp, egad) Final Fantasy 7!!!
Oh the putrid horror!! Oh the shame; the irrevocable dishonor!
Alas, can this truly be? But it is...first the delay, and
now the abandoning! Could this be the end of the good ship
Nintendo? Will Captain Yamauchi and his First Mate Miyamoto
be able to wrest their ship from certain disaster? Will
Don King soon get a haircut? Will Geraldo Rivera be
awarded membership into MENSA? Can anything else happen this
year?(Don't answer that last question, its kind of rhetorical,
but by all means feel free to answer the others!) Ach!!
Doh!!! Zut Alors!!!! Quel Dommage!!!!! Gee willickers, gosh
darn. (I know, watch my tone!) Well, as I sit here sobbing,
I realize that I have some serious deciding to do. Do I
stand by Nintendo come 97 when FF7 hits the U.S., or do I
bring a dagger and join the blood lust, stabbing the 800lb
gorilla on the "Ides of Nintendo"(I saw someone post that!)
To be or not to be, oh Sqaure oh Square wherefore art thou
Square? Et tu Square?
-Meat
Intelligent responses always welcome, but be advised that such
responses may not be responded to in a likewise manner. :)
Charles Allen Jacintho
I can't believe this. What a nightmare! If Square leaves, what could
there possibly be fo rthe N64 to make it appealing? Square was the best
of the bunch! Without Square, I am also not sure if I am going to
continue with Nintendo or shift gears and head for Sony.
Oh, it is a terrible, terrible time to be a Nintendo fan...
C.J.
Manuel Frias
Nintendo is not dumb.....Mario 64 is the game that would carry the
system this year....From what I hear it is GROUNDBREAKING!!
Remember it takes a while to translate an RPG game for the North
American players. FF7 wont be released for some time in the US
because of the massive translation work it has to undergo. Yes it
will be released in Dec. but ONLY in JAPAN. Also remember that Square
is thinking of porting their games on the PC so if you have a PC then
you don't have to shell money for an aging Sony system.
Right now, Square was just doing what is right for their company
because of the delay of N64. Final Fantasy 7 is a massive game(2 cd)
and the Bulky drive will not be available in JAPAN till December. By
then it will be too few owners that would own such a peripheral and
releasing FF7 for the N64 would be a foolish business decision.
Since the Sony system has a decent base support in JAPAN it is
reasonable for Square to release their new game for Sony than on a new
N64 system and few Bulky Drive owners. Remember that Square needs
money in order to survive and retaining their top programmers and
designers not to mention their R and D staffs. The unpredictability
of the N64 and the Bulky Drive definitely made Square nervous and the
thought of losing their top programmers made their decisions.
I would still buy the N64 over the Sony since Nintendo has an Ace in
their hand.....MIYAMOTO....
Next year the Sony Playstation will be cheap with the introduction of
N64.......if FF7 does come out I would buy a used system and get the
FF7 game as well...
Dave Glue
Allen Jacintho ) wrote:
>
>I can't believe this. What a nightmare! If Square leaves, what could
>there possibly be fo rthe N64 to make it appealing? Square was the best
>of the bunch! Without Square, I am also not sure if I am going to
>continue with Nintendo or shift gears and head for Sony.
>
>Oh, it is a terrible, terrible time to be a Nintendo fan...
The latest word from NG's site is that Square is still developing for
the N64, but only for the bulky drive (how many arguments did I get
into with Nintendo advocates who claimed cartridges could do anything
that CD's could? Jesus!). They are developing for the Playstation,
but that does not cancel out their N64 developerment.
Hanson
>On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:34:51 GMT, jaci...@news.oswego.edu (Charles
>Allen Jacintho ) wrote:
>>
>>I can't believe this. What a nightmare! If Square leaves, what could
>>there possibly be fo rthe N64 to make it appealing? Square was the best
>>of the bunch! Without Square, I am also not sure if I am going to
>>continue with Nintendo or shift gears and head for Sony.
>>
>>Oh, it is a terrible, terrible time to be a Nintendo fan...
The point of the N64 was total 3-D environments with an analog
controller, not standard Japanese RPG's with polygon characters. From
the screen shots I've seen, FF7 did not have a different combat system
or anything innovative -- just 3-D graphics tacked on to step up to
the "next generation". If you are inclined to wait instead of
purchasing a PSX for FF7, maybe you will find out what makes the N64
"appealing".
Jeffrey L. Powell
: jaci...@news.oswego.edu (Charles Allen Jacintho ) wrote:
: Remember it takes a while to translate an RPG game for the North
: American players. FF7 wont be released for some time in the US
: because of the massive translation work it has to undergo. Yes it
: will be released in Dec. but ONLY in JAPAN. Also remember that Square
: is thinking of porting their games on the PC so if you have a PC then
: you don't have to shell money for an aging Sony system.
I think that the U.S. translation work is being done at the same time
as the game development. The only reason it isn't usually done this
way is to let the Japanese consumer separate the wheat from the chaff
before investing in a english translation. Square and Sony KNOW
that this will be a big hit in both markets. Don't expect the U.S.
release date to be more than a month or two separate from the Japan
release.
If you can afford the latest in PC hardware, an "aging" PS is
small change. I have both. I'd rather see FF7 on my PS
than on my PC.
--
How do I sign up for one of those 3 hour tours?
blake fischer
> The latest word from NG's site is that Square is still developing for
> the N64, but only for the bulky drive (how many arguments did I get
> into with Nintendo advocates who claimed cartridges could do anything
> that CD's could? Jesus!). They are developing for the Playstation,
> but that does not cancel out their N64 developerment.
Well, square's site says otherwise and I hate to say it but they may be a
bit more accurate regarding this one :)
Blake the STU
Jeffrey L. Powell
: The point of the N64 was total 3-D environments with an analog
: controller, not standard Japanese RPG's with polygon characters. From
: the screen shots I've seen, FF7 did not have a different combat system
: or anything innovative -- just 3-D graphics tacked on to step up to
: the "next generation". If you are inclined to wait instead of
: purchasing a PSX for FF7, maybe you will find out what makes the N64
: "appealing".
If you are inclined to wait, you may also find out about the low property
values on Mars, making it an appealing site for your next house.
.......of course, you are going to wait awhile.
Sopa
>jaci...@news.oswego.edu (Charles Allen Jacintho ) wrote:
>>I can't believe this. What a nightmare! If Square leaves, what could
>>there possibly be fo rthe N64 to make it appealing? Square was the best
>>of the bunch! Without Square, I am also not sure if I am going to
>>continue with Nintendo or shift gears and head for Sony.
>>Oh, it is a terrible, terrible time to be a Nintendo fan...
>>C.J.
>Nintendo is not dumb.....Mario 64 is the game that would carry the
>system this year....From what I hear it is GROUNDBREAKING!!
>Remember it takes a while to translate an RPG game for the North
>American players. FF7 wont be released for some time in the US
>because of the massive translation work it has to undergo. Yes it
>will be released in Dec. but ONLY in JAPAN. Also remember that Square
>is thinking of porting their games on the PC so if you have a PC then
>you don't have to shell money for an aging Sony system.
>Right now, Square was just doing what is right for their company
>because of the delay of N64. Final Fantasy 7 is a massive game(2 cd)
>and the Bulky drive will not be available in JAPAN till December. By
>then it will be too few owners that would own such a peripheral and
>releasing FF7 for the N64 would be a foolish business decision.
> Since the Sony system has a decent base support in JAPAN it is
>reasonable for Square to release their new game for Sony than on a new
>N64 system and few Bulky Drive owners. Remember that Square needs
>money in order to survive and retaining their top programmers and
>designers not to mention their R and D staffs. The unpredictability
>of the N64 and the Bulky Drive definitely made Square nervous and the
>thought of losing their top programmers made their decisions.
>I would still buy the N64 over the Sony since Nintendo has an Ace in
>their hand.....MIYAMOTO....
>Next year the Sony Playstation will be cheap with the introduction of
>N64.......if FF7 does come out I would buy a used system and get the
>FF7 game as well...
Super Mario 64? It is a great game, but when will a game of that
calaber be released for the N64 again? It had been on development for
over 2 years now and it is still not finished. Does this mean that we
have to wait another 2 years for a better game? I saw the 3rd party
games and they really *stink*. Only Nintendo's games are good, that's
because they have some of the best developers out there. Take a look
at SNES Zelda and Mario World. We had to wait forever to get Mario
World 2 and there is no Zelda sequel in sight. We had to wait nearly
years after its release for Super Metroid! Don't forget about Donkey
Kong Country! We waited 4 years after the system was released just to
get a better game that the ones that were released! I *know* for sure
the same can be said about N64. I guess we'll have to wait another 4
years to get Mario 64 2 or another game that can beat the original.
All I can say is...dream on Nintendo. You've lost too many customers
already. It's sad...but I don't think they can make it withouth
Square. Mario 64 is the only good game that is worth getting for the
N64 but the other games are not. I don't think it's worth it. Good-bye
forever Nintendo.
Ex-Nintendo Fan
Hutnik, Richard
>
>I can't believe this. What a nightmare! If Square leaves, what could
>there possibly be fo rthe N64 to make it appealing? Square was the best
>of the bunch! Without Square, I am also not sure if I am going to
>continue with Nintendo or shift gears and head for Sony.
>
>Oh, it is a terrible, terrible time to be a Nintendo fan...
>C.J.
Well, the NU64 controller is kinda interesting though...
-Richard
Jeremy McGlaughlin
> controller, not standard Japanese RPG's with polygon characters. From
> the screen shots I've seen, FF7 did not have a different combat system
> or anything innovative -- just 3-D graphics tacked on to step up to
> the "next generation". If you are inclined to wait instead of
> purchasing a PSX for FF7, maybe you will find out what makes the N64
> "appealing".
Jeeez, From what I've seen the N64 was nothing special just a console with
an analog joystick. Maybe if you had anything other than a screenshot of
the N64 you'd see what makes the N64 not worth the wait. If you are
inclined to stand by and throw opinions based on screenshots I've got some
screen shots of rare "brown gold" floating in my toilet for you to buy.
the captions of the screenshot say "In a year this shit may be worth a
million dollars".
Jeremy
Hanson
>Hanson (fat...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: The point of the N64 was total 3-D environments with an analog
>: controller, not standard Japanese RPG's with polygon characters. From
>: the screen shots I've seen, FF7 did not have a different combat system
>: or anything innovative -- just 3-D graphics tacked on to step up to
>: the "next generation". If you are inclined to wait instead of
>: purchasing a PSX for FF7, maybe you will find out what makes the N64
>: "appealing".
>If you are inclined to wait, you may also find out about the low property
>values on Mars, making it an appealing site for your next house.
>.......of course, you are going to wait awhile.
Your point being? You're going to have to wait for FF7 anyway --
buying a PSX now won't make it come any sooner.
Hanson
Hanson
David Ross
writes:
>pow...@crd.ge.com (Jeffrey L. Powell) wrote:
>
>>Hanson (fat...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>>: The point of the N64 was total 3-D environments with an analog
>>: controller, not standard Japanese RPG's with polygon characters.
From
>>: the screen shots I've seen, FF7 did not have a different combat
system
>>: or anything innovative -- just 3-D graphics tacked on to step up to
>>: the "next generation". If you are inclined to wait instead of
>>: purchasing a PSX for FF7, maybe you will find out what makes the
N64
>>: "appealing".
>
environment.
--
"At one constant volume, at one constant pitch, at one constant rythm, right into
your ear, you still won't hear, you still won't hear"/ Look everything's spinning! (where on the ground) Never cheer before you know who's winning (dont make a sound)"/ It's the thing you hate the most, the thing you hate the most, the thing, you hate, ALMOST!"/Reflections of
a bloated lie, your life stored in your cloudy eye. Now it's time to say goodbye. Stub-a-Dub WILL
NEVER DIE!!"
-----Faith No More/ Mr Bungle
Jeffrey L. Powell
: >Hanson (fat...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: >: The point of the N64 was total 3-D environments with an analog
: >: controller, not standard Japanese RPG's with polygon characters. From
: >: the screen shots I've seen, FF7 did not have a different combat system
: >: or anything innovative -- just 3-D graphics tacked on to step up to
: >: the "next generation". If you are inclined to wait instead of
: >: purchasing a PSX for FF7, maybe you will find out what makes the N64
: >: "appealing".
: >If you are inclined to wait, you may also find out about the low property
: >values on Mars, making it an appealing site for your next house.
: >.......of course, you are going to wait awhile.
:
: Your point being? You're going to have to wait for FF7 anyway --
: buying a PSX now won't make it come any sooner.
My point being: There is no reason to wait for the N64. Great gaming is available
now, and I'm enjoying it.
Hanson
>: >Hanson (fat...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
And if you *read* my post, it was concerning people who are thinking
of ditching the N64 because FF7 is coming out on the PSX and only
because FF7 is coming out on the PSX. If you're going to wait for FF7
anyway, isn't it logical to hold off rather than buy a PSX like you
did?
Hanson
MICHAEL JOHN OLIVA
> pow...@crd.ge.com (Jeffrey L. Powell) wrote:
>
> >Hanson (fat...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
> >: The point of the N64 was total 3-D environments with an analog
> >: controller, not standard Japanese RPG's with polygon characters. From
> >: the screen shots I've seen, FF7 did not have a different combat system
> >: or anything innovative -- just 3-D graphics tacked on to step up to
> >: the "next generation". If you are inclined to wait instead of
> >: purchasing a PSX for FF7, maybe you will find out what makes the N64
> >: "appealing".
>
> >If you are inclined to wait, you may also find out about the low property
> >values on Mars, making it an appealing site for your next house.
>
> >.......of course, you are going to wait awhile.
>
> Your point being? You're going to have to wait for FF7 anyway --
> buying a PSX now won't make it come any sooner.
>
> Hanson
True but the PSX is getting a few other RPGs (it took Sony long enough!).
Beyond the Beyond should be out in June. And if enough people write
Konami and bug them for an English translation of Genso Suikoden, there
is a very real chance of getting it.
Torbjorn
>>now, and I'm enjoying it.
>And if you *read* my post, it was concerning people who are thinking
>of ditching the N64 because FF7 is coming out on the PSX and only
>because FF7 is coming out on the PSX. If you're going to wait for FF7
>anyway, isn't it logical to hold off rather than buy a PSX like you
>did?
>Hanson
Well, some people may have been resoning along the lines like:
The games on those 32-bitter looks really great and I would really
want one. But I know the N64 is coming, and I am a big fan of RPGs so
I would really be regretting it when the RPGs starts popping up for
the N64 and I can't affor to buy it! Therfore holding of their
purchase of a Saturn or PSX.
When Square jumps ship it makes a big difference, as many people know
feel that they could have the great games know (there is alot of new
RPGs coming out for Saturn and PSX, besides driving, fighting,
sporting, platforms, sim, strategy etc games). The thing know is that
they feel that they may regret waiting for the N64, When they can have
fun, and at the same time look forward to things that don't seem to
appear on the N64 like FF7.
/TJ
Jeffrey L. Powell
: >Hanson (fat...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: >: pow...@crd.ge.com (Jeffrey L. Powell) wrote:
: >: >Hanson (fat...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: >: >: The point of the N64 was total 3-D environments with an analog
: >: >: controller, not standard Japanese RPG's with polygon characters. From
: >: >: the screen shots I've seen, FF7 did not have a different combat system
: >: >: or anything innovative -- just 3-D graphics tacked on to step up to
: >: >: the "next generation". If you are inclined to wait instead of
: >: >: purchasing a PSX for FF7, maybe you will find out what makes the N64
: >: >: "appealing".
: >: >If you are inclined to wait, you may also find out about the low property
: >: >values on Mars, making it an appealing site for your next house.
: >: >.......of course, you are going to wait awhile.
: >:
: >: Your point being? You're going to have to wait for FF7 anyway --
: >: buying a PSX now won't make it come any sooner.
: >My point being: There is no reason to wait for the N64. Great gaming is available
: >now, and I'm enjoying it.
: And if you *read* my post, it was concerning people who are thinking
: of ditching the N64 because FF7 is coming out on the PSX and only
: because FF7 is coming out on the PSX. If you're going to wait for FF7
: anyway, isn't it logical to hold off rather than buy a PSX like you
: did?
If the only game they are ever going to play is FF7, then yes, wait for it to
come out......the playstation will probably be around $250, if not less by then.
Max C. Strini
>
> And if you *read* my post, it was concerning people who are thinking
> of ditching the N64 because FF7 is coming out on the PSX and only
> because FF7 is coming out on the PSX. If you're going to wait for FF7
> anyway, isn't it logical to hold off rather than buy a PSX like you
> did?
Right. Exactly. I will probably get a PSX for FF7, but I would be a
moron to get it before FF7 actually comes out.
-dar5j still enjoying his SNES
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An awesome production by using the PlayStation!!
FF7 Pics: http://www.spin.ad.jp/square/ff7/ff_en.html
MICHAEL JOHN OLIVA
Oh, I dunno, Beyond the Beyond from Sony or Genso Suikoden (I'm sure
they'll change the name) if Konami brings it out might be worth it. An
RPG doesn't have to have a Final Fantasy name to be good.
Terry Lin
> Right. Exactly. I will probably get a PSX for FF7, but I would be a
>moron to get it before FF7 actually comes out.
> -dar5j still enjoying his SNES
Wrong. Look at the pics of FF7. The combat, the travelling, the graphics...
this ISN'T some "experimental" stage where Square is just fooling around with
development... everything on their web page indicates "We are producing (as in
NOW) FF7 for the PSX", not "oh, we're just tinkering with the dev kit to see
if it's actually worth it". Nor are they some SGI rendered movies/pics like
the preview we got for U64...
In other words, if you're a Square fan, and are sick of 16-bit graphics and
sound... *get a Playstation now or anytime you want*. It all depends on how
long you can hold back and stick with the SNES... for me the SNES era is
over... with the exception of Super Mario RPG there's nothing left in this
machine. I recently bought a PSX with SF Alpha, plus rented some games like
Wipeout, Destruction Derby and Tekken... and I have to say that the PSX is
definitely a must-buy if you think the best graphics in the world are found in
Chrono Trigger.... it's just amazing... (so is the Saturn, but Saturn ain't
getting FF7)
Of course, quality RPG's are few and far between right now (more like none)...
King's field isn't my cup of tea.. although my shoes are shaking for Beyond
the Beyond (Arc the lad doesn't look bad but I don't know if it's even worth
$60).
Terry Lin
A computer whacked 16 year old
http://www.servtech.com/public/tlin/
Robert Bickell
> If the only game they are ever going to play is FF7, then yes, wait for it to
> come out......the playstation will probably be around $250, if not less by then.
holly fuck, you are dreaming! as if!! Sony is already totally undercutting their
prices so much... Their profit margin is like nil now, how long to do think ff7
will be released from now? a year or two? atleast two. I was amazed that they
could release such a system with a double speed cdrom, 4megs of ram (I believe),
very fast chip/machine architecture... for only $300. at the time it was released
the ram and cdrom alone would have cost $300 (talking in pc parts cost, of course)
but $250 is a very generous number. They may cut their prices for the gameless
machine down to $250 to compete with Nintendos pack-in included machine, but
beond that...
'course none of the systems are really gunna sell till they are under $200..
remember the gennie and snes? the bare-bones systems never sold big till
they were $100...
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