Bob Dole and Video Games
Datacide
First off...let me say that I am Canadian so I am not some Government
pusher for the US.
The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole. Way back,
when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong speeches
about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to violence
and sex.
My question and hence my dilemma: what about Video games?!?!?! According
to many sources, the video game market has surpassed the movie industry in
term of dollars. If Dole and Co. are going after Hollywood, then wouldn't
it also stand to go after video games, where the sex and violence are
interactive? Does this mean that video games such as Resident Evil and
Duke Nukem 3D just won't exist (hey...look at Australia!)
You may ask why I...a Canadian, fear this. In short....we piggyback
almost all our media from the US. So if games are censored in the US, they
are for the most part, censored in Canada.
Maybe I am being too extreme...maybe I am just wrong. (if I am...someone
please correct me!)
Just thought I'd give all my neighbours to the south something to think
about as they go to the polls in November.
-POOF-
mason
In article <01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net>,[SNIP]
> The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole.
>
>My question and hence my dilemma: what about Video games?!?!?! According
>to many sources, the video game market has surpassed the movie industry in
>term of dollars. If Dole and Co. are going after Hollywood, then wouldn't
>it also stand to go after video games, where the sex and violence are
>interactive? Does this mean that video games such as Resident Evil and
>Duke Nukem 3D just won't exist (hey...look at Australia!)
>
> You may ask why I...a Canadian, fear this. In short....we piggyback
>almost all our media from the US. So if games are censored in the US, they
>are for the most part, censored in Canada.
I know you aren't interested in the way things are in America, but you are
happy to get those "fringe" benefits of being our neighbor. It may be
nice to turn Bob Dole into a party-pooper for all gamers who want all that
sex and violence to be a vital part of all games produced in America. The
"sad" fact of the matter is that some of the best games that have come out
for 3do, sega, nintendo, and psx have absolutely no hint of sex or voilence
in them.
I realize that some of the best sellers have that S&V through
and through, but do those often become the games that you continue to play,
over and over? Not me. I tire of all those Doom-wanna-bes, all those
VF-wanna-bes and the games with graphic FMV that I only want to watch once
anyway. The crowd these games attract are the stupid kids who have never
seen or heard anything so rebellious before in their lives. And with
parents who will buy any and all of these best-sellers for their 10 year
olds just to get them to shut up and stop wrecking the house, etc, which
money-hungry industry *wouldn't* crank this type of title out by the
millions?
Ok, so why do I even care?!? Well, that means fewer and fewer genuinely
entertaining and fun games for me. I want some quality games, more like
NFS, and more like FIFA -- games that were actually developed from scratch,
and don't just sell because of some secret "blood code" that giddy kids wait
impatiently to type in until the parents go to the other room.
Bob Dole is not doing a bad thing. He is trying to be the next best thing
to a real parent for a pathetic America where the real parents are too
busy cheating, divorcing, abusing, fighting, etc, etc, to pay any kind of
attention to raising their own kids. Somebody has to do it, or this country
won't be the same in a few generations. Who knows, maybe my grandchildren
will be upset about some Canadian leader who is trying to censor the latest
videogame that they, as Americans, are pathetically waiting for other
countries to produce, because we may no longer have the means...
Remember that, even if video game developers can't use S&V in their games,
they will still continue to release big, cool games. It's the American way:
making money in the capitalistic world. Wherever you can make money, you
will try to make money. If you can't do it selling S&V, you can do it
making other kinds of games. And am I correct that Nintendo's Mario64
has nothing objectionable to any moral, decent parent? I realize that
it isn't decisively *THE* best game ever, but it's pretty darn good.
Sigh. Besides, if for no other reason, I'd be happy just to get that
KKKlinton, Hilary and ugly kid trio as far away from the white house
as possible.
Just my 2000 cents worth.
J
Darren L. Waschow
Censorship is a dangerous thing, Mason. I couldn't disagree with your
position more. It is NOT the government's responsibility to protect our
kids from things that they shouldn't be exposed to. For that matter, it
isn't the government's job to even determine what young people should and
shouldn't be able to experience. It is the childrens' parents who should
be doing this sort of thing. And, yes, many parents fail in their duties
(quite pathetically) but we cannot just throw up our hands and say,
"Well, I guess the government has to do it!"
And you didn't address the fact that young people are not the only ones
playing video games or using interactive entertainment. I'm an adult and
I do spend a couple hours per week using my computer for entertainment.
What if I want a violent game that includes sex? Am I to be denied this
simply because of the fact that many parents can't control their own
children? The answer is NO, NO, NO!
If you haven't noticed, most video games bear parental warnings on their
packages that inform potential buyers about their violence, sexual
content, etc. This is excellent. It puts the responsibility where it
should be - the parents. If a parent is unable to forbid their children
from being in posession of material they feel is unsavory, then the
parent is a failure and the child is probably suffering from things a lot
more damaging as a result than seeing a little T&A on the computer.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Darren L. Waschow
Skwerm Digital Publications, Ltd.
mis...@skognet.com
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dave Glue
Datacide <pin...@bconnex.net> wrote in article
<01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net>...
> The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole. Way back,
> when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong speeches
> about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to violence
> and sex.
Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
I'll miss this campaign from a Canadian perspective, although I probably
shouldn't make much light of it since US politics do affect Canada, and
virtually every other nation. But Dole is amusing to watch. The man is so far
out of touch it's a riot.
Dave Glue
mason <ma...@aquila.ece.utexas.edu> wrote in article
<4usvk9$8...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>...
>
> Bob Dole is not doing a bad thing. He is trying to be the next best thing
> to a real parent for a pathetic America where the real parents are too
> busy cheating, divorcing, abusing, fighting, etc, etc, to pay any kind of
> attention to raising their own kids.
Have you paid attention to Dole's speeches at all? He vilifies films like
"Natural Born Killers", yet celebrates tripe like "True Lies" and "Independence
Day". No violence in those films! Of course, one was starring a noted
Republican and the other was a glorification of America's war machine, so I
guess they don't count. Dole continually makes an ass of himself, to even
think he seriously cares about the average American family is laughable.
I believe on his first speech, it was discovered that Dole had not even seen
the films he criticized. It's simply Dole hitching on to a generic platform
where you really don't have to _do_ anything, or promise anything, except tot
show some fake moral bullshit, which is what the entire "family values"
campaign was based on.
> Somebody has to do it, or this country
> won't be the same in a few generations.
Yep, it's up to old Bob to save us all. God, this is pathetic.
> Sigh. Besides, if for no other reason, I'd be happy just to get that
> KKKlinton, Hilary and ugly kid trio as far away from the white house
> as possible.
As expected. A little speech about family values, followed up by a insult
against the appearance of the President's daughter. Listening to Rush on a
regular basis, have we? He's taught you well.
> Just my 2000 cents worth.
Divide that by 1,000, and perhaps you're accurate.
Dave Glue
Darren L. Waschow <mis...@skognet.com> wrote in article
<321226...@skognet.com>...
> Censorship is a dangerous thing, Mason. I couldn't disagree with your
> position more. It is NOT the government's responsibility to protect our
> kids from things that they shouldn't be exposed to. For that matter, it
> isn't the government's job to even determine what young people should and
> shouldn't be able to experience. It is the childrens' parents who should
> be doing this sort of thing. And, yes, many parents fail in their duties
> (quite pathetically) but we cannot just throw up our hands and say,
> "Well, I guess the government has to do it!"
Agreed. I wonder if anyone has asked Dole if this is a conflict of interest
with the Republican platform on firearms. Anyone care to do the numbers? How
many have tied at the hands of guns in the US, as opposed to videogames?
Teh Kao Yang
In article <01bb8a09$a766ede0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>,
Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
>
>I'll miss this campaign from a Canadian perspective, although I probably
>shouldn't make much light of it since US politics do affect Canada, and
>virtually every other nation. But Dole is amusing to watch. The man is so far
>out of touch it's a riot.
Gee, I guess his plan to cut taxes by 15% is totally out of touch too eh?
I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
income to the government every year.
-TK
Gabe White
Datacide (pin...@bconnex.net) wrote:
: The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole. Way
: speeches about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to
: violence and sex.
First off, Bob Dole's "rise to power" started about 40 years ago. Is that
what you're talking about?
You're probably talking about his famed "Hollywood Speech".
That speech had nothing to do with government sponsored censorship. No
one wants government (or church, for that matter) sponsored censorship.
All Bob Dole said was that Hollywood pumps out tons and tons of worthless,
vile, digusting crap each year. He thinks they should start making better
movies (both in content and in the traditional sense). That's not
censorship. But, if you really want to, call it self-censorship. There's
nothing wrong with it.
: My question and hence my dilemma: what about Video games?!?!?! According
: to many sources, the video game market has surpassed the movie industry in
: term of dollars. If Dole and Co. are going after Hollywood, then wouldn't
: it also stand to go after video games, where the sex and violence are
: interactive? Does this mean that video games such as Resident Evil and
: Duke Nukem 3D just won't exist (hey...look at Australia!)
First off, I don't think the Video Game industry is anywhere close to the
movie industry (especially in America).
Second, no one is going to censor your video games (at least not the
government). Not in America, not ever.
: Maybe I am being too extreme...maybe I am just wrong. (if I am...someone
: please correct me!)
I think a little of both.
: Just thought I'd give all my neighbours to the south something to think
: about as they go to the polls in November.
Dole/Kemp all the way.
--
"Statesman, my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is
Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon
which Freedom can securely stand."
-John Adams
Gabe White
Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
: mason <ma...@aquila.ece.utexas.edu> wrote in article
: <4usvk9$8...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>...
: >
: > Bob Dole is not doing a bad thing. He is trying to be the next best thing
: > to a real parent for a pathetic America where the real parents are too
: > busy cheating, divorcing, abusing, fighting, etc, etc, to pay any kind of
: > attention to raising their own kids.
Oh oh... Watch out, elitist liberals on the move... Hide your wallets and
the good spoons...
: Have you paid attention to Dole's speeches at all? He vilifies films like
: "Natural Born Killers", yet celebrates tripe like "True Lies" and "Independence
: Day". No violence in those films!
I can't speak of NBK's or True Lies, because I haven't seen either film.
Idependence Day, however, wasn't very violent at all.
Can I ask you a question? Have you seen ID? Just wondering...
Also, from what I've heard NBK's is a lot more violent than True Lies. It
almost got an NC-17 rating.
: I believe on his first speech, it was discovered that Dole had not even seen
: the films he criticized. It's simply Dole hitching on to a generic platform
: where you really don't have to _do_ anything, or promise anything, except tot
: show some fake moral bullshit, which is what the entire "family values"
: campaign was based on.
He didn't see them. So? I don't have to see a porno movie to know it's
got a lot of sex in it and it's not good for kids (or anyone) to see.
: > Somebody has to do it, or this country
: > won't be the same in a few generations.
: Yep, it's up to old Bob to save us all. God, this is pathetic.
Well, Bob Dole can't save the country. He might help, though. At least
get us pointed back in the right direction.
Gabe White
Teh Kao Yang (teh...@crl.com) wrote:
: In article <01bb8a09$a766ede0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>,
They consider it an honor. After all, look at how much good it does! A
few more years of this, and we won't even have any more poor people...
Dave G
ma...@aquila.ece.utexas.edu (mason) led us to believe:
>In article <01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net>,
>Datacide <pin...@bconnex.net> wrote:
>> First off...let me say that I am Canadian
>[SNIP]
>> The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole.
>[SNIP]
>>
>>My question and hence my dilemma: what about Video games?!?!?! According
>>to many sources, the video game market has surpassed the movie industry in
>>term of dollars. If Dole and Co. are going after Hollywood, then wouldn't
>>it also stand to go after video games, where the sex and violence are
>>interactive? Does this mean that video games such as Resident Evil and
>>Duke Nukem 3D just won't exist (hey...look at Australia!)
Bob Dole didn't 'go after' Hollywood, he simply asked that they
voluntarily moderate a few points. What you are talking about is
censorship, which he never stated. In fact, the only people who
talked of moderating Hollywood were a few Democrats (not that they
wanted to, but because they believed that people wanted to hear that).
In short, don't let the unobjective media tell you what to think, get
all the facts and make your own decision. The media has been known to
obscure the truth in order to sway people's opinion and fears.
D. G.
Michael Nobilio
On 14 Aug 1996 17:58:54 GMT, "Dave Glue" <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>Have you paid attention to Dole's speeches at all? He vilifies
>films like "Natural Born Killers", yet celebrates tripe like "True
>Lies" and "Independence Day". No violence in those films!
I have seen all those films, and they are indeed quite different. In
Natural Born Killers, people are indiscriminately, senselessly, and
randomly killed--life is portrayed as meaningless and disposable.
Sadder still, the public portrayed in the film adores the two idiots
killing everyone in sight. The only saving grace for this film, was
that I saw it on cable TV, and didn't shell out $7.00.
True Lies had some violence, but the ones getting killed were the 'bad
guys.' Arnold wasn't offing pedestrians left and right. There was at
least a purpose to the violence.
In Independence Day, violence was not included for violence's sake, as
in NBK. The bad guys came, they killed some good guys, the good guys
stood up and then kicked the bad guy's ass. Further still, the
various peoples of the world forgot about their petty differences, and
realized that we are all a part of the same race: humanity.
I don't consider myself affiliated with any political parties, and I
don't like either of the two '96 candidates. The world is not a field
of daisies, and is indeed a very violent place. As you read this,
innocent people are dying somewhere on the earth at the hands of
someone they don't even know (yes, right now). It could be from a
senseless war, it could be from a drug addict mugger stabbing a guy on
the way home from work. The world has far too much senseless violence
already--way too much--and there is no reason to glorify such
activity.
-Mike
Netscape to: http://www.monmouth.com/~mnobilio
Dave Glue
Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
<4utacf$l...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
> All Bob Dole said was that Hollywood pumps out tons and tons of worthless,
> vile, digusting crap each year. He thinks they should start making better
> movies (both in content and in the traditional sense). That's not
> censorship. But, if you really want to, call it self-censorship. There's
> nothing wrong with it.
And there's no point to it. So Dole wasn't calling for any action, he just
wanted to call the press to talk about movies. Ah, that's nice. Of course, he
praised True Lies, even though he hadn't seen it. Is there any more indication
that Dole really doesn't care and was just reading what he thought the people
wanted to hear?
Mark Tseytlin
In <4ut55g$9...@crl.crl.com> teh...@crl.com (Teh Kao Yang) writes:
>
>In article <01bb8a09$a766ede0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>,
>Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>>Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
>>
>>I'll miss this campaign from a Canadian perspective, although I
probably
>>shouldn't make much light of it since US politics do affect Canada,
and
>>virtually every other nation. But Dole is amusing to watch. The man
is so far
>>out of touch it's a riot.
>
>Gee, I guess his plan to cut taxes by 15% is totally out of touch too
eh?
>I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
>income to the government every year.
>
People who bash dole are more out of touch than they claim he is.
Would you rather have a man who doesn't pay his taxes and doges the
draft to avoid serving our nation?
MISHA
Vineet Gossain
In article <4utaqd$n...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:
>Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
>
>
>: mason <ma...@aquila.ece.utexas.edu> wrote in article
>: <4usvk9$8...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>...
>: >
>: > Bob Dole is not doing a bad thing. He is trying to be the next best thing
>: > to a real parent for a pathetic America where the real parents are too
>: > busy cheating, divorcing, abusing, fighting, etc, etc, to pay any kind of
>: > attention to raising their own kids.
What happened to the old Republican "As little government as possible."
Now you want Bob Dole to become the parent of America's children? And with
welfare cuts too? Hmmm, something just doesn't add up.
>
> Oh oh... Watch out, elitist liberals on the move... Hide your wallets and
>the good spoons...
Oooh, nice shot :P
>
>: Have you paid attention to Dole's speeches at all? He vilifies films like
>: "Natural Born Killers", yet celebrates tripe like "True Lies" and "Independence
>: Day". No violence in those films!
>
> I can't speak of NBK's or True Lies, because I haven't seen either film.
>Idependence Day, however, wasn't very violent at all.
>
> Can I ask you a question? Have you seen ID? Just wondering...
I have seen ID4 and yes, it wasn't very violent at all, but True Lies sure
was. Oh, and I loved the anti-Arab bent to the film. And the part where
Arnold forced his wife to do a seductive dance in front of him. There's your
family values.
>
> Also, from what I've heard NBK's is a lot more violent than True Lies. It
>almost got an NC-17 rating.
>
>: I believe on his first speech, it was discovered that Dole had not even seen
>: the films he criticized. It's simply Dole hitching on to a generic platform
>: where you really don't have to _do_ anything, or promise anything, except tot
>: show some fake moral bullshit, which is what the entire "family values"
>: campaign was based on.
>
> He didn't see them. So? I don't have to see a porno movie to know it's
>got a lot of sex in it and it's not good for kids (or anyone) to see.
Well, it's not that he didn't see NBK, but it was that he didn't see True
Lies which he said was a great film. He later admitted that he eventually
did see True Lies and he did not feel that it was a good film at all.
You have got to wonder who is running this campaign. Dole just reads the
speeches that are written for him and doesn't even know if he agrees with
what he is saying? I mean, the man hasn't even read his own platform yet!
>
>: > Somebody has to do it, or this country
>: > won't be the same in a few generations.
>
>: Yep, it's up to old Bob to save us all. God, this is pathetic.
>
> Well, Bob Dole can't save the country. He might help, though. At least
>get us pointed back in the right direction.
I think that that should be the "Right" direction. :)
>
>
>--
>"Statesman, my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is
>Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon
>which Freedom can securely stand."
>-John Adams
And yet you want a Statesman to "establish the Principles upon which Freedom
can securely stand?"
I think we should leave it to our own religions and our own morality. I
don't want morals forced upon me (or religion for that matter)
To quote from Die Hard (I wonder if Dole liked this movie - it's violent
but Bruce Willis is a Republican, I think):
"I think you gotta smell what you're shovelin'"
Oh, and I apologize for throwing in this political tirade in this newsgroup.
I guess I am going to get lit up with flames for this one, so let
the games begin!
Vin
P.S. I am not a Clinton supporter either. I just see him as the lesser of
two evils.
--
___ ____ ___ _____ ___
\ / | \ | Vineet Gossain v...@po.eecs.berkeley.edu
\ / | | \ | "The walls between us all must fall."
/ | | | -- Living Colour
Jeremy Haines
q...@ix.netcom.com(B Morphin ) writes:
>Does anybody really get this. Are we just a bunch of whiny ass can't
>agree on nothing country? Take 'em up on the deal and kill the party if
>they fall on his ass. What has double talk Clinton done for us?
Please excuse my small, one-time extension of this hellishly
off-topic thread, but I think that a big problem is that most Americans
are "morally" liberal and fiscally conservative - they favor abortion
rights, somewhat lower taxes, separation of church and state, a mostly
balanced budget, minimal censorship, and a large reduction in transfer
payments while maintaining some kind of financial safety net for senior
citizens. Unfortunately, neither of the main political parties espouses
all of these beliefs.
Sure, there are members of each party that agree with these
things; but political pressures either force them to abandon some of these
positions, or if they stick to their guns, the party prevents them from
having any real power. And until some political party embraces these
positions in their platform, we're all going to have to pick the lesser
of two evils (or Ross Perot, evil incarnate).
- Jer
"You're your own worst enemy. If you can't conquer your own fears, how
can you conquer anyone else?!" -- Tequila, "Hard Boiled"
Dave Glue
Teh Kao Yang <teh...@crl.com> wrote in article <4ut55g$9...@crl.crl.com>...
> In article <01bb8a09$a766ede0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>,
>
> Gee, I guess his plan to cut taxes by 15% is totally out of touch too eh?
> I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
> income to the government every year.
33%- oh, cry me a river. Here in Canada, our family donates about 50% of its
income for taxes. Too high I agree- but then again, with the health problems
our family has had, we're a lot better off.
BTW, who says I'm a "Clinton supporter"? I can see that Dole is a joke and his
speeches are outrageous, that doesn't mean I support Clinton any more. I have
no say in the matter, seeing as I'm not a yank. But apparently it helps Dole
supporters to label people- I've already been called a "liberal", how about a
"commie" or "socialist" because I don't believe you can cut taxes by 15% and
not just take the money from somewhere else? Christ I can't believe how people
can be so gullible.
B Morphin
I could carelesss what Dole thinks what he can do to freedom of speech.
It won't happen, he doesn't have the support.
What does peek my interest is that 15% tax break and other tax breaks.
Where talking about a car payment a month savings with this break.
I think every american should take him and the whole republican party
up on that and tell them this... you either do this or consider the
Rpublican party extinct in 4 years. This is what a SMART america should
do.
It's sad to here Dole doesn't have a rats ass chance because his
competition is just as out of tune if not more than he is. Here me
DAVE?
Does anybody really get this. Are we just a bunch of whiny ass can't
agree on nothing country? Take 'em up on the deal and kill the party if
they fall on his ass. What has double talk Clinton done for us?
BH
Gabe White
Vineet Gossain (v...@po.EECS.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
: In article <4utaqd$n...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
: Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:
: >Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
: >
: >
: >: mason <ma...@aquila.ece.utexas.edu> wrote in article
: >: <4usvk9$8...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>...
: >: >
: >: > Bob Dole is not doing a bad thing. He is trying to be the next best thing
: >: > to a real parent for a pathetic America where the real parents are too
: >: > busy cheating, divorcing, abusing, fighting, etc, etc, to pay any kind of
: >: > attention to raising their own kids.
: What happened to the old Republican "As little government as possible."
: Now you want Bob Dole to become the parent of America's children? And with
: welfare cuts too? Hmmm, something just doesn't add up.
I didn't say that. I don't agree with the poster you're responding to here.
: > I can't speak of NBK's or True Lies, because I haven't seen either film.
: >Idependence Day, however, wasn't very violent at all.
: >
: > Can I ask you a question? Have you seen ID? Just wondering...
: > He didn't see them. So? I don't have to see a porno movie to know it's
: >got a lot of sex in it and it's not good for kids (or anyone) to see.
: Well, it's not that he didn't see NBK, but it was that he didn't see True
: Lies which he said was a great film. He later admitted that he eventually
: did see True Lies and he did not feel that it was a good film at all.
: You have got to wonder who is running this campaign. Dole just reads the
: speeches that are written for him and doesn't even know if he agrees with
: what he is saying? I mean, the man hasn't even read his own platform yet!
Did he actually site True Lies as a Good Family Movie?
: > Well, Bob Dole can't save the country. He might help, though. At least
: >get us pointed back in the right direction.
: I think that that should be the "Right" direction. :)
Well, maybe the "correct" direction. :-)
: >"Statesman, my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is
: >Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon
: >which Freedom can securely stand."
: >-John Adams
: And yet you want a Statesman to "establish the Principles upon which Freedom
: can securely stand?"
Nope. Read what I said above. Bob Dole can't save the country. He can
help, though, by setting a moral tone for the country.
: I think we should leave it to our own religions and our own morality. I
: don't want morals forced upon me (or religion for that matter)
And I don't want to force "my" morals and religion on you.
: To quote from Die Hard (I wonder if Dole liked this movie - it's violent
: but Bruce Willis is a Republican, I think):
I don't like Bruce Willis and his wife. Same thing with Arnold. I don't
care if they call themselves republicans or Christians or anything else.
If they don't live it - If they put out trash - they don't deserve my
respect or my dollars.
Jane Fonda and Mike Douglas are liberal. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy
the China Syndrome.
: P.S. I am not a Clinton supporter either. I just see him as the lesser of
: two evils.
Please, if you don't vote for Dole... Don't vote at all... :-)
Gabe White
Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
: I've already been called a "liberal", how about a
: "commie" or "socialist" because I don't believe you can cut taxes by 15% and
: not just take the money from somewhere else? Christ I can't believe how
: people can be so gullible.
I guess, living up there, you've got a different view of taxes than I do.
You see, In America, taxes are what the government takes from US. It's OUR
money to start with. We have what we call a "tax rate" - we do not have a
"take home rate".
If they cut taxes, they wouldn't be taking money FROM someone else. They'd
just be taking 15% less from MY pocket.
Alright?
3do_...@cyberspace.com
Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>Datacide <pin...@bconnex.net> wrote in article
><01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net>...
>> The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole. Way ba
ck,
>> when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong speeches
>> about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to violence
>> and sex.
>Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
I agree!
Besides, here are the facts with regards to fighting crime by the
Clinton/Gore administration:
Crime & Drugs
Won Passage of the Toughest and Smartest Crime Bill Ever
* Put 100,000 more police officers on the street. More than 43,000
officers have already been funded.
* Imposed a targeted Three-Strikes-and-You're-Out
provision to put career violent offenders behind bars for life.
* Expanded the death penalty to include drug kingpins, murderers of
federal law enforcement officers and nearly 60 additional categories
of violent felons.
* Provided funding for 100,000 more prison cells to help states ensure
that violent offenders serve their full sentences.
* The number of murders fell 8% in 1995; one of the largest
decreases in more than 30 years. The nation's largest cities saw
their overall crime fall 6% during the same period.
Keeping Guns Out of the Hands of Criminals
* Stood up to the gun lobby and won passage of the Brady Bill. As a
result, more than 60,000 fugitives, felons and other criminals have
already been blocked from buying handguns.
* Banned the manufacture and importation of 19 of the deadliest
assault weapons while specifically protecting more than 650 legitimate
sporting weapons. (Assault Weapons Ban)
Combatting Drug Use
* Developed a comprehensive National Drug Control Strategy that will
reduce illegal drug use through law enforcement, prevention, treatment
and interdiction.
* Breaking the cycle of drugs and crime through universal drug testing
in the criminal justice system and by providing funding for drug
courts.
* Cocaine use in the U.S. has decreased more than 30% since 1992.
Working to End Domestic Violence
* Provided $156 million in state grants to bolster local law
enforcement, prosecution and victims' services to better address
violence against women. (Violence Against Women Act)
* Established nationwide 24-hour domestic violence hotline providing
immediate crisis intervention, counseling and referrals for those in
need.
Making Our Schools Safer
* Keeping dangerous weapons out of our children's classrooms by
enforcing a 'Zero Tolerance' gun policy in schools.
* Reducing violence and drug abuse in our schools by investing in
school security, drug prevention programs and counseling. (Safe and
Drug-Free Schools Act)
* Encouraged schools to consider adopting school uniform policies to
help reduce violence while promoting discipline and respect.
Securing America's Borders
* Stood firm against illegal immigration and deported a record 51,600
illegal and criminal aliens in 1995; a 15% increase over 1994.
* Increasing the number of Border Patrol agents along the southwestern
border by 50% to stem the flow of illegal aliens into the United
States.
For more information please refer to:
http://www.cg96.org
--
Michael Mullis
Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote in article
<01bb8a0a$bc5650a0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>...
>
>
> mason <ma...@aquila.ece.utexas.edu> wrote in article
> <4usvk9$8...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>...
> >
> > Bob Dole is not doing a bad thing. He is trying to be the next best
thing
> > to a real parent for a pathetic America where the real parents are too
> > busy cheating, divorcing, abusing, fighting, etc, etc, to pay any kind
of
> > attention to raising their own kids.
>
like
> "Natural Born Killers", yet celebrates tripe like "True Lies" and
"Independence
> Republican and the other was a glorification of America's war machine, so
I
> guess they don't count. Dole continually makes an ass of himself, to
even
> think he seriously cares about the average American family is laughable.
>
Oh come ON Dave. You must be kidding right? You're telling me "Natural
Born Killers" is in anyway related to "True Lies" and "Independance
day"???? It's YOU that's sick then. Yeah, a movie based on people
VICIOUSLY murdering people, versus action movies and movies about America
and stuff.
If that is Dole making an Ass out of himself (which he isn't), what does
that make you??
> I believe on his first speech, it was discovered that Dole had not even
seen
> the films he criticized. It's simply Dole hitching on to a generic
platform
> where you really don't have to _do_ anything, or promise anything, except
tot
> show some fake moral bullshit, which is what the entire "family values"
> campaign was based on.
>
>
> > Somebody has to do it, or this country
> > won't be the same in a few generations.
>
> Yep, it's up to old Bob to save us all. God, this is pathetic.
So are you.
--
Michael Mullis
Dole/Kemp '96
Tigger
In article <01bb8a0a$bc5650a0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>, "Dave Glue"
<dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>
>Dole continually makes an ass of himself, to even
>think he seriously cares about the average American family is laughable.
To think that *any* politician cares about anything besides himself
(and in a few cases, his agenda of control) is laughable.
>It's simply Dole hitching on to a generic platform
>where you really don't have to _do_ anything, or promise anything, except tot
>show some fake moral bullshit, which is what the entire "family values"
>campaign was based on.
It's what *all* political use of religion (morals, values, whatever word
you prefer) has been throughout time. Those politicians who don't use
religion use something else. Dole and Clinton are far more alike than
they are different. They both want to take more of your money than you
want to give them, and use it for their own good and to promote their
own version of control of the masses.
By the way, what the hell does this have to do with video games?
--
| Greg Orman gr...@pomona.edu |
| A man's best friends: a Harley, a Beretta and a Gund. |
Tigger
In article <01bb8a0b$52042fa0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>, "Dave Glue"
<dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>
>Agreed. I wonder if anyone has asked Dole if this is a conflict of interest
>with the Republican platform on firearms. Anyone care to do the numbers? How
>many have tied at the hands of guns in the US, as opposed to videogames?
In which case we'd better ban cars. More people are killed in car
accidents every year than are killed by guns and videogames combined.
But you're right, we can start with banning guns. Once we're successful
in actually finding and destroying them all, we'll have to go back to
banning knives and bows. And then large rocks. History as shown all
of those to be popular options at one time or another when one wants
to kill one's neighbor.
Face it. This is a dangerous world. People have been dying of causes
other than old age for an awful long time. No matter what you do, it
ain't gonna help. People like killing each other. If you manage to
take away every possible weapon, we'll just end up hitting and kicking
and biting and scratching each other to death.
Now, as far as politicians being hypocrites and having conflicts of
interest go, as far as I can tell, that's pretty much one of those
givens, too.
Michael Mullis
Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article <
> : Gee, I guess his plan to cut taxes by 15% is totally out of touch too
eh?
> : I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
> : income to the government every year.
>
> They consider it an honor. After all, look at how much good it does! A
> few more years of this, and we won't even have any more poor people...
> --
That's right, they'll be DEAD because they'll all be without homes and
food. Sorry, but I can't take having 1/4th of my paycheck taken from me
anymore.
--
Michael Mullis
Dole/Kemp '96
Gabe White
Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
: Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
: <4utacf$l...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
He was calling for the producers and directors and actors to make better
movies.
Why?
Because they should.
Is that so wrong?
--
Joe Lee
Dave Glue wrote:
>
> Datacide <pin...@bconnex.net> wrote in article
> <01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net>...
>
> > The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole. Way back,
> > when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong speeches
> > about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to violence
> > and sex.
>
> Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
>
> shouldn't make much light of it since US politics do affect Canada, and
> virtually every other nation. But Dole is amusing to watch. The man is so far
> out of touch it's a riot.
You stupid canuck!! Canadiens Suck Big Fat Dick! The Reason that our
laws affect Canada is because CANADA SUCKS! YOU STUPID CANUCKS CAN'T
SURVIVE WITHOUT THE U.S.! SO FUCK OFF!
Johnny Lamar Rhyne
In <01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net> "Datacide"
<pin...@bconnex.net> writes:
>
> First off...let me say that I am Canadian so I am not some
Government
>pusher for the US.
>
> The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole.
Way back,
>when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong
speeches
>about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to
violence
>and sex.
>
According
>to many sources, the video game market has surpassed the movie
industry in
>term of dollars. If Dole and Co. are going after Hollywood, then
wouldn't
>it also stand to go after video games, where the sex and violence are
>interactive? Does this mean that video games such as Resident Evil
and
>Duke Nukem 3D just won't exist (hey...look at Australia!)
>
piggyback
>almost all our media from the US. So if games are censored in the US,
they
>are for the most part, censored in Canada.
>
> Maybe I am being too extreme...maybe I am just wrong. (if I
am...someone
>please correct me!)
>
think
>about as they go to the polls in November.
>
Bill Clintion also went after Hollywood recently.
Gabe White
Michael Sean Kerr (se...@uclink2.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: Gabe White (gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us) wrote:
: : I guess, living up there, you've got a different view of taxes than I do.
: : You see, In America, taxes are what the government takes from US. It's OUR
: : money to start with. We have what we call a "tax rate" - we do not have a
: : "take home rate".
: : If they cut taxes, they wouldn't be taking money FROM someone else. They'd
: : just be taking 15% less from MY pocket.
: Wow, did someone fail high school economics?!?? Where do you
: think the other 15% will come from? Or maybe the Clinton admin wasn't
: using the money, just keeping it for themselves.
Hmmm, $150 hair cuts, free rides on a real cool jet, etc... Maybe you have a
point.
: If you believe that you
: can just lower taxes w/o any repurcussions, don't you ever wonder why you
: pay in the first place?
Some taxes are needed. But Americans pay WAY too much.
: Seriously, pick up an econ book (even a high
: school leve book!), read through it at least once. You might learn
: something about how our gov't runs and maybe even why we have one. Now,
: I'll be the first to admit that modern econ is far from perfect, but at
: least you see those last two paragraphs as the dribble that they really
: are.
I think you missed my point. If you cut tax rates, you aren't taking
money from anyone. You're just letting the American people keep more of
the money THEY earn.
The government isn't giving us anything when they lower tax rates - That,
sir, was my point.
: And, just what does this have to do with vid games?? Maybe the
: first post, but all this talk of tax cuts and such just does not belong.
I agree. If everyone else stops posting in this thread, so will I... :)
Chris McLaughlin
On 14 Aug 1996, Datacide wrote:
> The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole. Way back,
> when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong speeches
> about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to violence
> and sex.
>
> Does this mean that video games such as Resident Evil and
> Duke Nukem 3D just won't exist (hey...look at Australia!)
> You may ask why I...a Canadian, fear this. In short....we piggyback
> almost all our media from the US. So if games are censored in the US, they
> are for the most part, censored in Canada.
>
> Maybe I am being too extreme...maybe I am just wrong. (if I am...someone
> please correct me!)
>
> Just thought I'd give all my neighbours to the south something to think
> about as they go to the polls in November.
>
I wouldn't worry about it too much - heck, Tipper Gore (of music ratings
fame) hasn't had much impact, so I doubt a Dole administration would
matter to videogaming either. It's just one of those once every 4 year
issues here in the good ol' USofA :)
(Heck, a Dole-friendly videogame would probably have Mario & Sonic
collecting Marlboros or Camels; after all, they're not addictive :)
-Chris
joe
Dave Glue wrote:
>
> Teh Kao Yang <teh...@crl.com> wrote in article <4ut55g$9...@crl.crl.com>...
> > In article <01bb8a09$a766ede0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>,
> >
> > I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
> > income to the government every year.
>
> income for taxes. Too high I agree- but then again, with the health problems
> our family has had, we're a lot better off.
>
> BTW, who says I'm a "Clinton supporter"? I can see that Dole is a joke and his
> speeches are outrageous, that doesn't mean I support Clinton any more. I have
> no say in the matter, seeing as I'm not a yank. But apparently it helps Dole
> "commie" or "socialist" because I don't believe you can cut taxes by 15% and
> not just take the money from somewhere else? Christ I can't believe how people
joe
William Longworth
teh...@crl.com (Teh Kao Yang) wrote:
>In article <01bb8a09$a766ede0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>,
>Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>>Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
>>
>>I'll miss this campaign from a Canadian perspective, although I probably
>>shouldn't make much light of it since US politics do affect Canada, and
>>virtually every other nation. But Dole is amusing to watch. The man is so far
>>out of touch it's a riot.
>Gee, I guess his plan to cut taxes by 15% is totally out of touch too eh?
>I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
>income to the government every year.
>-TK
What a load of bullshit, T.K. Tax cuts are politicians knee-jerk way
of popularizing themselves with the general public.
"I'll let you keep more of your money!"
Come on, who wouldn't want that?
The fact is that a 15% tax cut would be a DISASTER for the national
deficit without matching budget cuts. With a 4+Trillion dollar debt
and GROWING, how in the world can this country afford to through away
revenue?
Sadly, the truth is that much of the debt could be eliminated through
more efficient spending...which means less pork ...which ain't gonna
happen.
The more likely scenario is that cuts will be made to dozens of less
well-healed programs like the endowment for the arts and education.
Lame, jingoisitic crap about stopping the immigrants from sucking the
life out of America will continue to be a favorite dodge.
Homosexuals will be blamed along with Hollywood for the decline of
civilization. Dont even get me started on that one...
Things like clean air, water, and an ozone layer thick enough to to
prevent me from getting skin cancer from standing near an open window
will remain "liberal reactionary" causes which hinder American
individualism (a Rush Limbaugh favorite). All meaning that industry
doesn't want to pay to clean up its mistakes.
And on and on ...
The core problem with politics in America is that the economic system
has supplanted the supposed party checks and balances. This country
isn't democratic, it's capitalist. Issues like abortion and
censorship may make for good t.v., but the core issue for most voters
is "what's with the economy, stupid?" Reagan wrote blank checks to
the tune of 3Trillion + to keep white middle/upper class people happy.
Bush came to the well to find it dry, hence the reign of Clinton.
Bottom line, it's the american way to be a self-interested maggot in
the voting booth, and b.s. like massive tax cuts are an attempt to
feed into that.
Clinton may not be a great president (he ain't), but I dislike him
less than Dole.
I'd like to go to a National park and see the flora and fauna without
craning my neck to see past the oil rigs. With Democrats that's an
uphill battle. With Republicans, it's war.
But I think the N64 is in serious trouble (trying to get ack on
topic...).
William Longworth
m...@ix.netcom.com(Mark Tseytlin) wrote:
>
>People who bash dole are more out of touch than they claim he is.
>Would you rather have a man who doesn't pay his taxes and doges the
>draft to avoid serving our nation?
>MISHA
Reagan was a "triple dipper" and a tax dodge. Bush was a tax dodge
and owned a postage stamp bit of real estate in Texas to avoid
property taxes on his other homes. "Out of touch," is anyone who
thinks that this kind of crap and hypocrisy isn't business as usual in
the hallowed halls.
William Longworth
bmcq...@cts.com (Brad McQuaid) wrote:
>
>: Sure: Hate homosexuals, ignore racial discrimination, deny women rights over
>: their own bodies. The moral tone for who, exactly? Upper-middle class white
>: males?
>Dole believes in none of the above. I wonder, is that your only
>hope of defeating him? Posting misinformation regarding his
>beliefs and what he stands for?
Wow. You mean Dole has finally come out for gays in the military and
against the Defense of Marriage Act? Suddenly he favors Affirmative
Action (a debatable program)? He's moved to the pro-choice side too?
Dole's really a great guy.. Just ask him, he'll tell you.
However, where the original thread was concerned about game
censorship, I doubt a law could be passed without treading on the 1st
amendment, and we've all seen how well the CDA has done.
Mark Tseytlin
In <4utcqu$t...@news.internetmci.com> ma...@thenet.net (Dave G) writes:
>
>ma...@aquila.ece.utexas.edu (mason) led us to believe:
>
>>In article <01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net>,
>>Datacide <pin...@bconnex.net> wrote:
>>> The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole.
>>>
>>>My question and hence my dilemma: what about Video games?!?!?!
According
>>>to many sources, the video game market has surpassed the movie
industry in
>>>term of dollars. If Dole and Co. are going after Hollywood, then
wouldn't
>>>it also stand to go after video games, where the sex and violence
are
and
>>>Duke Nukem 3D just won't exist (hey...look at Australia!)
>
>voluntarily moderate a few points. What you are talking about is
>censorship, which he never stated. In fact, the only people who
>talked of moderating Hollywood were a few Democrats (not that they
>wanted to, but because they believed that people wanted to hear that).
>
>In short, don't let the unobjective media tell you what to think, get
>all the facts and make your own decision. The media has been known to
>obscure the truth in order to sway people's opinion and fears.
>
>D. G.
>
Michael Sean Kerr
: : I've already been called a "liberal", how about a
: : "commie" or "socialist" because I don't believe you can cut taxes by 15% and
: : not just take the money from somewhere else? Christ I can't believe how
: : people can be so gullible.
: I guess, living up there, you've got a different view of taxes than I do.
: You see, In America, taxes are what the government takes from US. It's OUR
: money to start with. We have what we call a "tax rate" - we do not have a
: "take home rate".
: If they cut taxes, they wouldn't be taking money FROM someone else. They'd
: just be taking 15% less from MY pocket.
Wow, did someone fail high school economics?!?? Where do you
think the other 15% will come from? Or maybe the Clinton admin wasn't
using the money, just keeping it for themselves. If you believe that you
can just lower taxes w/o any repurcussions, don't you ever wonder why you
pay in the first place? Seriously, pick up an econ book (even a high
school leve book!), read through it at least once. You might learn
something about how our gov't runs and maybe even why we have one. Now,
I'll be the first to admit that modern econ is far from perfect, but at
least you see those last two paragraphs as the dribble that they really
are.
And, just what does this have to do with vid games?? Maybe the
first post, but all this talk of tax cuts and such just does not belong.
BTW, I support neither candidate. Both (well, all three now) parties seem
more like elitist clubs than representatives of the general population.
Ciao!
Chris Reeves
q...@ix.netcom.com(B Morphin ) wrote:
>I think every american should take him and the whole republican party
>up on that and tell them this... you either do this or consider the
>Rpublican party extinct in 4 years. This is what a SMART america should
>do.
This is ridiculous. Go extinct in 4 years? Hello, let me point out
something.. neither party is headed for extinction. Good god, that's
not how things work. For as much as either side wants it, it's hard
to erradicate either side, and the primary reason is because the
voting public doesn't really give a rats ass about issues or anything
like that, they happen to "vote on the whim" ie, if they have a good
feeling about the white house come november, they'll vote democrat.
If not, they'll vote republican. When asked in polls, very few
Americans can identify all fifty states, and many thought their were
51! With an informed public like that who take voting tips from
Tabitha Soren and Don Henley, the parties realize one thing: issue is
nothing; flash is everything. Can dole get 1/2 the crap he says done?
Uh uh. Can Clinton? Nope, didn't his first time with a democrat
congress and house for 2 years. It just doesn't work that way in
Washington, and I think people realize that. You can do simple
things, but the promise of huge change scares the shit out of people
with government jobs that would be lost, with paperwork that fuels
industries, with loopholes that keep companies working. Like it or
not, the paperwork is so deep, the odds of "sweeping it out" are zero,
the odds of hopefully cutting off a little are OK. No party is at
risk of extinction.. they're just at risk of sounding more and more
like each other.
> What has double talk Clinton done for us?
Agreed. To gripe at Dole's arguement against film when Clinton, the
sitting president and in the leader signs the CDA, etc. is like the
pot calling the kettle black.
Chris.
Dr. D. Donut
In article <4utaqd$n...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Gabe White) wrote:
> Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
>
>
> : mason <ma...@aquila.ece.utexas.edu> wrote in article
> : <4usvk9$8...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>...
> : >
> : > Bob Dole is not doing a bad thing. He is trying to be the next best thing
> : > to a real parent for a pathetic America where the real parents are too
> : > busy cheating, divorcing, abusing, fighting, etc, etc, to pay any kind of
> : > attention to raising their own kids.
>
> Oh oh... Watch out, elitist liberals on the move... Hide your wallets and
> the good spoons...
Tut, tut, the man's expressing his political opinions, no need for you to
start slinging mud at Mr. Glue.
> : Have you paid attention to Dole's speeches at all? He vilifies films like
> : "Natural Born Killers", yet celebrates tripe like "True Lies" and
"Independence
> : Day". No violence in those films!
>
> I can't speak of NBK's or True Lies, because I haven't seen either film.
> Idependence Day, however, wasn't very violent at all.
>
> Can I ask you a question? Have you seen ID? Just wondering...
May I ask YOU a question? Have you seen ID? I'm just wondering about your
claim that it wasn't violent at all. Oh so wholesale mondo spectacular
instant incinerations of major cities isn't violent then? If mass murder
in the millions in one crack doesn't constitute a certain form of
violence, I'd hate to ever have to witness what YOU would call 'violence'.
> Also, from what I've heard NBK's is a lot more violent than True Lies. It
> almost got an NC-17 rating.
Oh my! Haven't seen the movies you want to slag. Not much of a platform to
stand on there. Actually, as far as it goes I'd say True Lies wins hands
down in the body count department by easily a factor of ten. It just so
happens that NBK offs a bunch of good ole American citizens as opposed to
bpatriotically blowing a bunch of Arab terrorist fruitcakes, so the latter
is probably justifiable in the minds of dangerous political greedhounds
like Dole (I mean hell, he chose Kemp as his running mate, how'd you like
that for principles?)
> : I believe on his first speech, it was discovered that Dole had not even seen
> : the films he criticized. It's simply Dole hitching on to a generic
platform
> : where you really don't have to _do_ anything, or promise anything,
except tot
> : show some fake moral bullshit, which is what the entire "family values"
> : campaign was based on.
>
> He didn't see them. So? I don't have to see a porno movie to know it's
> got a lot of sex in it and it's not good for kids (or anyone) to see.
Setting aside the issue of porno, if you're going to take a swing at
something you better be damned sure what you're swinging at. NBK is a
ridiculous farce with yup too much violence, but it is a powerful
indictment of the media that rewards violence through glorification.
C'mon, we're talking an Oliver Stone movie, you didn't think it had a
ham-fisted moralistic edge to it?
> : > Somebody has to do it, or this country
> : > won't be the same in a few generations.
>
> : Yep, it's up to old Bob to save us all. God, this is pathetic.
>
> Well, Bob Dole can't save the country. He might help, though. At least
> get us pointed back in the right direction.
You didn't perhaps vote Reagan in the 80's did you? He sure helped. Big time.
Dr. Duncan Donut, Vcr
Dave Glue
Michael Mullis <stin...@erols.com> wrote in article
<01bb8a35$d5c6dca0$18be...@stinger2.erols.com>...
>
> Oh come ON Dave. You must be kidding right? You're telling me "Natural
> Born Killers" is in anyway related to "True Lies" and "Independance
> day"???? It's YOU that's sick then. Yeah, a movie based on people
> VICIOUSLY murdering people, versus action movies and movies about America
> and stuff.
Natural Born Killers was actually a statement against the glorification of
criminals by the media. If anything, it was _exactly_ the kind of film Dole
should have liked. Personally, I didn't enjoy it to a large degree because I
thought Stone heaped too much of the blame on the media, but it's obvious you
missed the entire message. What is True Lies and Independence Day? Violence
with no point, pure propaganda. God forbid a film should make you think in any
way.
> > Yep, it's up to old Bob to save us all. God, this is pathetic.
>
> So are you.
Nice comeback. Interesting how the pro Dole messages are usually monosyllabic.
Dave Glue
Tigger <gr...@pomona.edu> wrote in article
<greg-14089...@tigger.pomona.edu>...
> But you're right, we can start with banning guns. Once we're successful
> in actually finding and destroying them all, we'll have to go back to
> banning knives and bows. And then large rocks. History as shown all
> of those to be popular options at one time or another when one wants
> to kill one's neighbor.
Lovely predictable slippery-slope rant, but that's my point. If Dole is so
concerned about the effects of violence in videogames, why is not concerned
about the already _proven_ effect of violence from firearms? Typical political
hypocrisy.
>
> Face it. This is a dangerous world. People have been dying of causes
> other than old age for an awful long time. No matter what you do, it
> ain't gonna help.
Funny, other countries with far stricter gun laws have a murder rate not
approaching the US by any degree (per capita).
> take away every possible weapon, we'll just end up hitting and kicking
> and biting and scratching each other to death.
Actually, no we won't. A gun gives immense power and control with little
effort and little chance of retribution, less your enemy also have a gun.
Either there's something genetic in US citizens which causes them to be more
violent than any other democratic nation, or the gun problem is indeed a
_problem_. The availability of guns may not solely by the issue, but combined
with other factors it certainly does contribute.
Dave Glue
Tigger <gr...@pomona.edu> wrote in article
<greg-14089...@tigger.pomona.edu>...
> It's what *all* political use of religion (morals, values, whatever word
> you prefer) has been throughout time. Those politicians who don't use
> religion use something else. Dole and Clinton are far more alike than
> they are different. They both want to take more of your money than you
> want to give them, and use it for their own good and to promote their
> own version of control of the masses.
Who said they are that different? I can ridicule Dole for the bumbling stooge
that he is without making reference to Clinton every second line. Clinton is a
better politician. Of course, that's like debating who's the best lawyer in
the country. :)
Dave Glue
Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
<4utje3$3...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
> Nope. Read what I said above. Bob Dole can't save the country. He can
> help, though, by setting a moral tone for the country.
Sure: Hate homosexuals, ignore racial discrimination, deny women rights over
their own bodies. The moral tone for who, exactly? Upper-middle class white
males?
> : P.S. I am not a Clinton supporter either. I just see him as the lesser of
> : two evils.
>
> Please, if you don't vote for Dole... Don't vote at all... :-)
Wishful thinking, as Dole needs all the help he can get. Unfortunately,
politics is always a case of choosing the lesser of two evils, so Clinton will
get the votes, despite not particularly deserving of leading a nation.
Dave Glue
Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
<4utjt7$5...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
> I guess, living up there, you've got a different view of taxes than I do.
Well, of course. People living in different parts of the world have different
opinions of how a country should be run. Americans seem to have great
difficulty accepting this.
> If they cut taxes, they wouldn't be taking money FROM someone else. They'd
> just be taking 15% less from MY pocket.
Then insurance companies and private day-care would be taking up the slack. It
all comes from somewhere.
>
> Alright?
No, it's not. Selfish and short-sighted.
Dave Glue
B Morphin <q...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<4utbbp$6...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>...
> It's sad to here Dole doesn't have a rats ass chance because his
> competition is just as out of tune if not more than he is. Here me
> DAVE?
"Out of tune"? Haven't sang in a while, so I don't know.
What's "in" tune? Repeating nauseating speech clips you saw on the nightly
news?
I don't know what worse: actually believing Dole could follow through on his
15% tax cut, or not believing you'll just be paying the rest somewhere else.
Brad McQuaid
Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
: Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
: <4utje3$3...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
: > Nope. Read what I said above. Bob Dole can't save the country. He can
: > help, though, by setting a moral tone for the country.
: Sure: Hate homosexuals, ignore racial discrimination, deny women rights over
: their own bodies. The moral tone for who, exactly? Upper-middle class white
: males?
Dole believes in none of the above. I wonder, is that your only
hope of defeating him? Posting misinformation regarding his
beliefs and what he stands for?
: > : P.S. I am not a Clinton supporter either. I just see him as the lesser of
: > : two evils.
: >
: > Please, if you don't vote for Dole... Don't vote at all... :-)
: Wishful thinking, as Dole needs all the help he can get. Unfortunately,
: politics is always a case of choosing the lesser of two evils, so Clinton will
: get the votes, despite not particularly deserving of leading a nation.
groan.
=Brad
The Beavinator
> The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole. Way back,
>when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong speeches
>about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to violence
>and sex.
>
>to many sources, the video game market has surpassed the movie industry in
>term of dollars. If Dole and Co. are going after Hollywood, then wouldn't
>it also stand to go after video games, where the sex and violence are
>interactive? Does this mean that video games such as Resident Evil and
>Duke Nukem 3D just won't exist (hey...look at Australia!)
Don't worry. Bob Dole is too old to realize computers can do anything other
than word processing and Pong. And what he doesn't know can't hurt us... :)
Greg
Dave Glue
Johnny Lamar Rhyne <crh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<4utobf$h...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>...
> Bill Clintion also went after Hollywood recently.
Yes, looking for actresses. :)
Dave Glue
Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
<4uu14g$r...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
> : If you believe that you
> : can just lower taxes w/o any repurcussions, don't you ever wonder why you
> : pay in the first place?
>
> Some taxes are needed. But Americans pay WAY too much.
Compared to who? Americans have some of the lowest tax rates in the world.
What planet are you using for comparison?
> I agree. If everyone else stops posting in this thread, so will I... :)
Basically then, this thread will end when you get the last word.
Dave Glue
Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
> He was calling for the producers and directors and actors to make better
> movies.
>
> Why?
>
> Because they should.
>
> Is that so wrong?
Yes. For a politician in a campaign it was an obvious "moral" ploy. Safe, as
he's not proposing any change. Spineless, as it's direction is obvious- boost
up your standing with the gullible public while not having to actual think of a
novel idea.
Dave Glue
Michael Nobilio <mnob...@monmouth.com> wrote in article
>
> I have seen all those films, and they are indeed quite different. In
> Natural Born Killers, people are indiscriminately, senselessly, and
> randomly killed--life is portrayed as meaningless and disposable.
> Sadder still, the public portrayed in the film adores the two idiots
> killing everyone in sight. The only saving grace for this film, was
> that I saw it on cable TV, and didn't shell out $7.00.
Jesus, I never knew Stone's politics were so subtle.
NBK was a satire of violence and the glorification it receives from the media.
The problem is Stone even turned it on the audience itself by going so far
overboard, I heard kids loving the move because it was "fucking cool", and
didn't have a clue what it was about. Stone specifically targeted those
dullards in several scenes. The movie was praised by some critics who enjoyed
the statement, critiqued by others (including me) for being too heavy-handed
with his politics. Cripes, I heard Stone often accused of being so far "right
wing" with this film.
> True Lies had some violence, but the ones getting killed were the 'bad
> guys.'
Yes. Arabs.
>rnold wasn't offing pedestrians left and right. There was at
> least a purpose to the violence.
Yep. Stop them damn Arabs from planting that nuclear bomb. Boy, what a
plotline. I feel ashamed I couldn't appreciate the beauty of this film.
> In Independence Day, violence was not included for violence's sake, as
> in NBK. The bad guys came, they killed some good guys, the good guys
> stood up and then kicked the bad guy's ass. Further still, the
> various peoples of the world forgot about their petty differences, and
> realized that we are all a part of the same race: humanity.
And we all depend on the US to create a plan to get us out of the a jam. It's
a nice, safe enemy to kill as well- the violence isn't the problem it seems,
only if the 'enemy' is a foreigner.
> already--way too much--and there is no reason to glorify such
> activity.
Which True Lies and Independence Day do, waving the American flag. You're a
fine one to talk about who's blind to violence in the world.
Under Dole's prerogatives, Independence Day would win at Cannes, and Fargo/Pulp
Fiction/NBK would be censored to the point of being unrecognizable. The
message: violence is fine, just as long as it's pointless and doesn't make a
statement- and if it does, make sure it's against a foreigner.
Dave Glue
Joe Lee <j...@nwlink.com> wrote in article <321276...@nwlink.com>...
> You stupid canuck!! Canadiens Suck Big Fat Dick! The Reason that our
> laws affect Canada is because CANADA SUCKS! YOU STUPID CANUCKS CAN'T
> SURVIVE WITHOUT THE U.S.! SO FUCK OFF!
Canadiens suck? True, they didn't have a great year. Too many veterans,
goaltending wasn't what it used to be without Roy.
Troy D Radeke
Hey, this thread is getting too political. We're supposed be talking
about important stuff like arguing between 32bit and 64bit games systems,
or cartridges vs. CDs. Or how ??? with ??bits is going to dominate over
??? with ??bits.
Troy
Gabe White
Dr. D. Donut (drdd...@portal.ca) wrote:
: gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Gabe White) wrote:
: > Oh oh... Watch out, elitist liberals on the move... Hide your wallets and
: > the good spoons...
: Tut, tut, the man's expressing his political opinions, no need for you to
: start slinging mud at Mr. Glue.
I was making a funny. Clam down, boy.
: > I can't speak of NBK's or True Lies, because I haven't seen either film.
: > Idependence Day, however, wasn't very violent at all.
: >
: > Can I ask you a question? Have you seen ID? Just wondering...
: May I ask YOU a question? Have you seen ID? I'm just wondering about your
: claim that it wasn't violent at all. Oh so wholesale mondo spectacular
: instant incinerations of major cities isn't violent then? If mass murder
: in the millions in one crack doesn't constitute a certain form of
: violence, I'd hate to ever have to witness what YOU would call 'violence'.
I said it wasn't very violent at all. Anyone who's seen the movie will
agree. Sure, buildings get blown up... But, uh... It doesn't show little
people being ripped into gory bits.
: > Also, from what I've heard NBK's is a lot more violent than True Lies. It
: > almost got an NC-17 rating.
: Oh my! Haven't seen the movies you want to slag. Not much of a platform to
: stand on there. Actually, as far as it goes I'd say True Lies wins hands
: down in the body count department by easily a factor of ten. It just so
: happens that NBK offs a bunch of good ole American citizens as opposed to
: bpatriotically blowing a bunch of Arab terrorist fruitcakes, so the latter
: is probably justifiable in the minds of dangerous political greedhounds
: like Dole (I mean hell, he chose Kemp as his running mate, how'd you like
: that for principles?)
So the violence in True Lies is more vicious and gory than the violence
in NBK? You're the first person I'veh eard say that.
And why are you bashing Kemp? He's the man.
: > He didn't see them. So? I don't have to see a porno movie to know it's
: > got a lot of sex in it and it's not good for kids (or anyone) to see.
: Setting aside the issue of porno, if you're going to take a swing at
: something you better be damned sure what you're swinging at. NBK is a
: ridiculous farce with yup too much violence, but it is a powerful
: indictment of the media that rewards violence through glorification.
: C'mon, we're talking an Oliver Stone movie, you didn't think it had a
: ham-fisted moralistic edge to it?
So what? It's a farce that exploits the same thing it's supposedly makes
fun of, then.
Do you think the (three or four) people who went to see NBK's, went to
see it because it was a "powerful indictment of the media that rewards
violence through glorification". The (three of four) people went to see it
because... he he he, that's cool, you know, when all those people get
killed and stuff... he he he...
: > Well, Bob Dole can't save the country. He might help, though. At least
: > get us pointed back in the right direction.
: You didn't perhaps vote Reagan in the 80's did you? He sure helped. Big time.
He did. But he coulda down a whole lot more if we didn't have a liberal
congress at the time.
Gabe White
Troy D Radeke (tr...@grizzly.cs.washington.edu) wrote:
: Hey, this thread is getting too political. We're supposed be talking
: about important stuff like arguing between 32bit and 64bit games systems,
: or cartridges vs. CDs. Or how ??? with ??bits is going to dominate over
: ??? with ??bits.
I agree. And since all I'm seeing is mindless liberal rants which deserve
no response, I retire from the thread.
Keith E. Young
Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
: Datacide <pin...@bconnex.net> wrote in article
: <01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net>...
: > The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole. Way back,
: > when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong speeches
: > about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to violence
: > and sex.
: Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
If you haven't noticed, since he picked Jack Kemp as his running mate
he moved from 20 points down in the polls to only 9.....it's not over
yet.
Dole/Kemp '96
Brad McQuaid
Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
: Lovely predictable slippery-slope rant, but that's my point. If Dole is so
: concerned about the effects of violence in videogames, why is not concerned
: about the already _proven_ effect of violence from firearms? Typical political
: hypocrisy.
oooh boy. firearms cause violence?? Instruments of violence, they can be.
Causes, I think not.
: > Face it. This is a dangerous world. People have been dying of causes
: > other than old age for an awful long time. No matter what you do, it
: > ain't gonna help.
: Funny, other countries with far stricter gun laws have a murder rate not
: approaching the US by any degree (per capita).
I just don't know what to say.... your ignorance is astounding.
Fact is, you cannot relate merely the possession of weapons and
the rate of violence in a nation. There are too many other factors
you cannot isolate. For instance, I can destroy your argument by
bringing up Switzerland, which has a very low crime rate, and where
just about every household is required by law to contain a
fully automatic SIG assault rifle.
: > take away every possible weapon, we'll just end up hitting and kicking
: > and biting and scratching each other to death.
: Actually, no we won't. A gun gives immense power and control with little
: effort and little chance of retribution, less your enemy also have a gun.
Yes, a very good argument for arming citizens and allowing concealed
carry permits to lawabiding citizens. The gun is the great equalizer.
No longer can a huge and nasty man prey on weak old ladies when they
might have a 9mm in that little purse of theirs.
: Either there's something genetic in US citizens which causes them to be more
: violent than any other democratic nation, or the gun problem is indeed a
: _problem_. The availability of guns may not solely by the issue, but combined
: with other factors it certainly does contribute.
The origin of violence in the US has clearly NOTHING to do with the
availablity of legal firearms. Only in the last 20 years has the
violence been getting really bad, and americans have had tons of
firearms for a very long time. What is the origin? I'd tend
to say the demise of morality, out of wedlock births, single
parent homes, welfare that doesn't provide an out, the encouragement
of immigrants and other groups not assimiliated into mainstream
culture to not assimilate... etc.
Now I know these are hardcore problems and that they require some
thought to deal with, and to come up with hopeful solutions.
It's so easy to blame problems on inanimate objects like guns...
they don't whine back when you blame them.
-Brad
Gabe White
Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
: Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
: <4utje3$3...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
: > Nope. Read what I said above. Bob Dole can't save the country. He can
: > help, though, by setting a moral tone for the country.
: Sure: Hate homosexuals, ignore racial discrimination, deny women rights over
: their own bodies. The moral tone for who, exactly? Upper-middle class white
: males?
Prove the above statements, please.
good man charlie brown
In article <4ut55g$9...@crl.crl.com>, teh...@crl.com (Teh Kao Yang) writes:
>In article <01bb8a09$a766ede0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>,
>Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>>Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
>>
>>shouldn't make much light of it since US politics do affect Canada, and
>>virtually every other nation. But Dole is amusing to watch. The man is so far
>>out of touch it's a riot.
>
>Gee, I guess his plan to cut taxes by 15% is totally out of touch too eh?
>I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
>income to the government every year.
According to the news after Dole announced his plans for a tax cut, most
Americans favor reducing the deficit rather than a tax cut. So yes, Dole is out
of touch. And he's also boring as hell.
Kristopher Huynh * We're sorry, the reality you have dialed
http://free.webprovider.com/~huynhk/ * is currently not in service. Please
st...@jetson.uh.edu * consult your local diety and dial again.
Mugworrtt
In article <4usvk9$8...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, ma...@aquila.ece.utexas.edu
(mason) wrote:
<<verbage reduced through copy elimination>>
I know you aren't interested in the way things are in America, but you are
happy to get those "fringe" benefits of being our neighbor. It may be
nice to turn Bob Dole into a party-pooper for all gamers who want all that
sex and violence to be a vital part of all games produced in America. The
"sad" fact of the matter is that some of the best games that have come out
for 3do, sega, nintendo, and psx have absolutely no hint of sex or voilence
in them.
I realize that some of the best sellers have that S&V through
and through, but do those often become the games that you continue to play,
over and over? Not me. I tire of all those Doom-wanna-bes, all those
VF-wanna-bes and the games with graphic FMV that I only want to watch once
anyway. The crowd these games attract are the stupid kids who have never
seen or heard anything so rebellious before in their lives. And with
parents who will buy any and all of these best-sellers for their 10 year
olds just to get them to shut up and stop wrecking the house, etc, which
money-hungry industry *wouldn't* crank this type of title out by the
millions?
Ok, so why do I even care?!? Well, that means fewer and fewer genuinely
entertaining and fun games for me. I want some quality games, more like
NFS, and more like FIFA -- games that were actually developed from scratch,
and don't just sell because of some secret "blood code" that giddy kids wait
impatiently to type in until the parents go to the other room.
Bob Dole is not doing a bad thing. He is trying to be the next best thing
to a real parent for a pathetic America where the real parents are too
busy cheating, divorcing, abusing, fighting, etc, etc, to pay any kind of
attention to raising their own kids. Somebody has to do it, or this country
won't be the same in a few generations. Who knows, maybe my grandchildren
will be upset about some Canadian leader who is trying to censor the latest
videogame that they, as Americans, are pathetically waiting for other
countries to produce, because we may no longer have the means...
Remember that, even if video game developers can't use S&V in their games,
they will still continue to release big, cool games. It's the American way:
making money in the capitalistic world. Wherever you can make money, you
will try to make money. If you can't do it selling S&V, you can do it
making other kinds of games. And am I correct that Nintendo's Mario64
has nothing objectionable to any moral, decent parent? I realize that
it isn't decisively *THE* best game ever, but it's pretty darn good.
Sigh. Besides, if for no other reason, I'd be happy just to get that
KKKlinton, Hilary and ugly kid trio as far away from the white house
as possible.
Just my 2000 cents worth.
J
Your two cents are worth a million bucks! Dole and Kemp certainly are not
out to curtail anything, simply return to US citizens the freedoms we used
to enjoy. At least with these guys, we know where we stand. Not so with
Clinton and his Cronies--remember, they signed the freedom reduction act
for Internet and online message board and forum content? Hey, if they get
re-elected, who KNOWS what they'll want to control next over the net.
If the original author is afraid of Bob Dole, I heartily recommend he stay
in Canada and not bother crossing the border. At least we don't have any
states that, currently, wish to secede from our union.
Kyle Madison
Okay, we all know why that F1 racing game from Psygnosis is
being delayed, right? It's because they used cigarette ads on the
billboards that line the track. Now, if the good Mr. Dole was running
things, we'd all already have this game in our hands, because, as Mr.
Dole, in all his infinite wisdom, believes that cigarettes aren't
addictive. So don't worry about Dole censoring our games... There will
be benefits as well as drawbacks... Because although violence in games
would be bad, hacking, life-consuming cancer "supposedly" caused by
cigarettes wouldn't be a problem to be depicted in games. Wow, talk
about your Resident Evil. :)
P.S.-- If your can't smell the sarcasm dripping from this little note,
please don't bother replying. :)
Tim L.
Teh Kao Yang (teh...@crl.com) wrote:
: In article <01bb8a09$a766ede0$dc98d4c7@dave-s>,
: Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
: >Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
: >
: >I'll miss this campaign from a Canadian perspective, although I probably
: >shouldn't make much light of it since US politics do affect Canada, and
: >virtually every other nation. But Dole is amusing to watch. The man is so far
: >out of touch it's a riot.
: Gee, I guess his plan to cut taxes by 15% is totally out of touch too eh?
: I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
: income to the government every year.
: -TK
Hello? cut taxes by 15%? who wins here? The rich once again. Someone
that makes $170,000 a year will save $9,000 in taxes, WHOOPEY! He can buy
another rare stamp with his money. A family like mine tht brings in about
$40,000 will save a whopping $900 bucks a year. Reagan tried this in the
80's and it did'nt work.. what makes anyone think it will work now? It's
just another rich tax break. I pay over 30 % of my income into taxes, and
the upper class pay far less. Besides, IF I had any grandfathers still
alive, they would still be younger than Dole, sheesh, Dole 96, Kemp 97
outta be their campaign slogan.
-Tim
M.B.
>
>Hey, this thread is getting too political. We're supposed be talking
>about important stuff like arguing between 32bit and 64bit games systems,
>or cartridges vs. CDs. Or how ??? with ??bits is going to dominate over
>??? with ??bits.
>
>Troy
Actually your wrong in two ways. First, this thread has to do
with the future of our gaming fun, Bob Dole can ruin the fun for every
one when were stuck playing Super Mario XXIV ,or whatever version they
are on, because old Bob doesnt like the way games are. Second this is
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action since i see the leters IBM and PC i hope
i dont see a bunch of posts about what console is better than the
other, or CARTRIDGES!! (UGH!) vs CD roms. hahaha.
3do_...@cyberspace.com
Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>Datacide <pin...@bconnex.net> wrote in article
><01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net>...
>> The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole. Way b
a
ck,
>> when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong speeches
>> about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to violence
>> and sex.
>Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
I agree!
Besides, here are the facts with regards to fighting crime by the
Clinton/Gore administration:
Crime & Drugs
Won Passage of the Toughest and Smartest Crime Bill Ever
* Put 100,000 more police officers on the street. More than 43,000
officers have already been funded.
* Imposed a targeted Three-Strikes-and-You're-Out
provision to put career violent offenders behind bars for life.
* Expanded the death penalty to include drug kingpins, murderers of
federal law enforcement officers and nearly 60 additional categories
of violent felons.
* Provided funding for 100,000 more prison cells to help states ensure
that violent offenders serve their full sentences.
* The number of murders fell 8% in 1995; one of the largest
decreases in more than 30 years. The nation's largest cities saw
their overall crime fall 6% during the same period.
Keeping Guns Out of the Hands of Criminals
* Stood up to the gun lobby and won passage of the Brady Bill. As a
result, more than 60,000 fugitives, felons and other criminals have
already been blocked from buying handguns.
* Banned the manufacture and importation of 19 of the deadliest
assault weapons while specifically protecting more than 650 legitimate
sporting weapons. (Assault Weapons Ban)
Combatting Drug Use
* Developed a comprehensive National Drug Control Strategy that will
reduce illegal drug use through law enforcement, prevention, treatment
and interdiction.
* Breaking the cycle of drugs and crime through universal drug testing
in the criminal justice system and by providing funding for drug
courts.
* Cocaine use in the U.S. has decreased more than 30% since 1992.
Working to End Domestic Violence
* Provided $156 million in state grants to bolster local law
enforcement, prosecution and victims services to better address
violence against women. (Violence Against Women Act)
* Established nationwide 24-hour domestic violence hotline providing
immediate crisis intervention, counseling and referrals for those in
need.
Making Our Schools Safer
* Keeping dangerous weapons out of our childrens' classrooms by
enforcing a 'Zero Tolerance' gun policy in schools.
* Reducing violence and drug abuse in our schools by investing in
school security, drug prevention programs and counseling. (Safe and
Drug-Free Schools Act)
* Encouraged schools to consider adopting school uniform policies to
help reduce violence while promoting discipline and respect.
Securing America's Borders
* Stood firm against illegal immigration and deported a record 51,600
illegal and criminal aliens in 1995; a 15% increase over 1994.
* Increasing the number of Border Patrol agents along the southwestern
border by 50% to stem the flow of illegal aliens into the United
States.
For more information please refer to:
http://www.cg96.org
--
Randy Patton
In article <who cares?>, ever...@flamewar.com (Flamers) wrote:
. . . . a bunch of off-topic political opinions.
Folks, please edit your newsgroups line. While this thread did
start out on a topic at least peripherally related to video games
and gaming, it's degenerated into a partisan political flamewar.
Do people on seven gaming-related groups really need to hear you
weigh in on Bob Dole's taste in movies?
Only you can keep your newsgroups clean.
Followups set to talk.politics and alt.politics.usa.misc.
Adam
SHIT GUYS!
This newsgroup has by far the most "ignore thread" switches that all
the other newsgroups I frequent put together.
Like we don't give a shit about yer pettty party political posturing.
So take somewhere where people do.... maybe alt.who.gives.a.monkeys
PUHLEAZE!
(he says switching this thread to ignore with the definition of FUCK
threads etc)
L8r,
Biffa
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Adrian Mander
i thought 15% of $40000 is actually
$6,000 not $900?????
B Morphin
>B Morphin <q...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
>> It's sad to here Dole doesn't have a rats ass chance because his
>> competition is just as out of tune if not more than he is. Here me
>> DAVE?
DAVE "Losing comprehension skills daily" Glue
>"Out of tune"? Haven't sang in a while, so I don't know.
REPLY:
Oh sarcasm, you know what I mean ya screwball.
>
>What's "in" tune? Repeating nauseating speech clips you saw on the nightly
>news?
REPLY:
Your still off the point, still trying to be cute.
>
>I don't know what worse: actually believing Dole could follow through on his
>15% tax cut, or not believing you'll just be paying the rest somewhere else.
REPLY:
A worth while reply but a bad one IMO. This is my point, the fucking
country is divided within itself on every issue no matter how trivial
(everything has become controversial). It's almost like were penciled
in for failure. You look at 15+% cut lowly. You say if I save 15% here,
I'll have to pay 15% somewhere else (your doing just what the parties
want you to by taking this side). You could be correct about paying
elsewhere, but take him up on it show them "You said it know we demand
it". Who has a better plan? Clinton has no plan now and can't even
create one becasue everybody knows his past record of failure, he's
100%.
The only plan I see the Gov't sticking to over the past 40 years is
gridlock, so they can cover their asses everytime by pointing the
finger at someone else. End gridlock, either vote all Rep or all Dem. I
warn you about all Dem. because we all know about the Carter years (Gas
joke being the best one). The last time the rep.'s held everything was
in the 50's and why is it that those days were considered "The Good Ole
Days"?
Point is simple to me, listen to most successful business men they are
usually republican. Ask the low average worker they are democratic. Who
whould you rather be? Who do you think is more educated? Not making
pokes but who do you look up to a success or a failure?
BH
Dave Glue
Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
<4uv50e$4...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
> I agree. And since all I'm seeing is mindless liberal rants which deserve
> no response, I retire from the thread.
Not without taking one last immature potshot, I see. That wasn't mindless?
B Morphin
>q...@ix.netcom.com(B Morphin ) wrote:
>
>>I think every american should take him and the whole republican party
>>up on that and tell them this... you either do this or consider the
>>Rpublican party extinct in 4 years. This is what a SMART america should
>>do.
CHRIS:
>This is ridiculous. Go extinct in 4 years? Hello, let me point out
>something.. neither party is headed for extinction. Good god, that's
>not how things work. For as much as either side wants it, it's hard
>to erradicate either side, and the primary reason is because the
>voting public doesn't really give a rats ass about issues or anything
>like that, they happen to "vote on the whim" ie,
REPLY:
Americans are concerned about their job and how it pays for their
needs. They also like physical security.
The way the vote is all screwed up is due to so many lies coming up
with the truths is difficult.
Again to all reading stand up take 15+% and say "Do it or I'll never
vote for a republican again". By doing that if they fail will most
assuredly make the rep.'s the thing of the past.
Why do we want to defend somebody that lies to us. They said 15+% take
'em up. Why back off of them? They said it, now give them the chance to
do it or lose their ass.
Sound like a good no lose situation for us. We'll screw it up by taking
the pessimistic undivded no brainer way out. Count on it.
Chris I just want to make a clear point, I don't think muddy water ever
helps.
BH
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Dave Glue
Brady Prigge <prig...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote in article
<321367...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>...
> On topic, doesn't it suck that Quake will not be available for PSX?
In a desperate attempt to evolve this thread into something somewhat relevant:
well, it 'aint gonna happen. Perhaps it was the perspective-correct 3D
environment which the PSX can't do, but regardless Quake as a separate game
isn't revolutionary- it's customization (Quake C) and multiplayer capabilities
are what make it stand out. Even with a PSX port, you wouldn't get these, so I
don't see what's the point.
Nobody's Perfect
I don't understand what the bullsh** was about about Bob Dole and
videogames; he is not a factor in American politics anymore......
Haven't you seen the latest poll numbers, in which Billy boy lead Dole
by something like 19~20 points? No presidential contender has ever won
the election with a deficit like that. The presidential election of 1996
is essentially over, with Billy boy staying in White House for the next
four more years. The real question is, will GOP be able to hold on to
their Congressional majority this November?
Bob Dole can't be elected to presidency because
1)He is too old.
2)Women hate him.
3)African Americans hate him.
4)Hispanics hate him.
5)Everybody who is not a white male hate him.
6)Lawyers hate him.
7)Pro Choice people hate him.
8)NOW people hate him.
9)Gays and Lesbians hate him.
10)Oldies and Medicare people hate him
11)Hollywood hates him
12)............
I support Clinton all the way, except that god damn Affirmative Action,
because I am a victim of Affirmative Action. I am glad UC system will get
rid of Affirmative Action by 1997, so my chances for going to one of UC
graduate school will rise by something like 50%...........
There is only one man who can beat Bill Clinton in 1996, and he is not
running for presidency(Colin Powell) CP is the only GOP presidential
candidate that I might vote for.
Kevin Calvert
Oh no! Now Nobody is trying to have political views! AHHHHH! :)
KC
Carble
joe
>
> If you haven't noticed, since he picked Jack Kemp as his running mate
> he moved from 20 points down in the polls to only 9.....it's not over
> yet.
>
> Dole/Kemp '96
it's over when the fat lady sings...................
3do_...@cyberspace.com
Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>3do_...@cyberspace.com wrote in article <4uvij1$2...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>...
>> Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>> I agree!
>> Besides, here are the facts with regards to fighting crime by the
>> Clinton/Gore administration:
>Oh wonderful. From one nauseating regurgitation of a campaign platform to
>another. Gee, thanks.
The facts mentioned are just that. The campaign platform will be spelled
out at the Democratic national convention later.
I assure you, there will be no VOODOO ECONOMICS in that platform.
VOODOO - STANDARD REPUBLICAN ECONOMIC POLICY
1 - Lower taxes for those who CAN afford them
2 - Double defence SPENDING in peacetime
3 - BORROW from Wall Street what you cannot get from receipts
4 - NEVER submit a balance budget
5 - PRETEND that the US does not have a $5 trillion national debt
Reference: http://www.cg96.org
--
Brady Prigge
> >Gee, I guess his plan to cut taxes by 15% is totally out of touch too eh?
> >I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
> >income to the government every year.
>
> Americans favor reducing the deficit rather than a tax cut. So yes, Dole is out
> of touch. And he's also boring as hell.
Ahhh, the American political system. Where every 4 years everyone lets their "party"
decide what they believe in, and, in return, they pledge alliegance to shove
the beliefs of the party down everyone elses' throats.
Truth is, you don't have to vote for "the lesser of two evils". You can vote for
the best leader that you see. If more Americans did this than we wouldn't have
a political system that forces the candidates to be multi-millionaires. Too
idealistic for you? Than involve yourself in government! Run for office on
a local level, write letters to your represenitives, just stop complaining!
US government is an extension of the American people. And if things are wrong, it's
YOUR fault. If you want a bad guy, than pick on large corporations, fot it is
they who are attempting to corrupt and warp America, and it is they who will,
and have, led us to the dark ages of capitalistic industrialism.
On topic, doesn't it suck that Quake will not be available for PSX?
--
ß®æDÿ ¶®í&&Ê ©1996
Tigger
In article <01bb8a6d$febba7c0$LocalHost@dave-s>, "Dave Glue"
<dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
>
>Typical political
>hypocrisy.
That's an oxymoron.
>Funny, other countries with far stricter gun laws have a murder rate not
>approaching the US by any degree (per capita).
And one of the Scandanavian countries (I forget which, either Sweden
or Switzerland I think) has a law mandating that EVERY household have
a gun. I think this had more to do with defense from a potential
Soviet invasion than crime, but the fact of the matter is that they
also have an extremely low murder rate per capita.
>> take away every possible weapon, we'll just end up hitting and kicking
>> and biting and scratching each other to death.
>
>Actually, no we won't.
Go to a library and read some history texts sometime. People have been
killing each other all over the world since long before the invention
of guns.
>Either there's something genetic in US citizens which causes them to be more
>violent than any other democratic nation, or the gun problem is indeed a
>_problem_. The availability of guns may not solely by the issue, but combined
>with other factors it certainly does contribute.
Well, at least you acknowledge that there may be other factors. I suspect
that someone who grew up in a culture which taught him that human life is
worthless, and who is thus willing to kill me because he wants my shoes or
because I flipped him off when he cut me off on the freeway, doesn't have
that willingness only because he has access to a gun. If you go read some
international news I think you'll find that there's an awful lot non-gun
violence and killing going on in various spots around the world. People
wanting and being willing to kill each other is the real problem. Easy
access to weapons, be they guns or any other sort, isn't the cause of
that attitude. And taking that access away won't be a cure.
--
| Greg Orman gr...@pomona.edu |
| A man's best friends: a Harley, a Beretta and a Gund. |
Mark Tseytlin
In <4uv4m5$3...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>
gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Gabe White) writes:
>
>Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
>
>
>: Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
>: <4utje3$3...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
>: > Nope. Read what I said above. Bob Dole can't save the country. He
can
>: > help, though, by setting a moral tone for the country.
>
>: Sure: Hate homosexuals, ignore racial discrimination, deny women
rights over
>: their own bodies. The moral tone for who, exactly? Upper-middle
class white
>: males?
Yeah right, kill inocent babies, just cause a women doesn't want to
hurt her body? How about the rights of the unborn woman!?
Mark Tseytlin
In <4uv5fr$b...@tombstone.kent.edu> kyo...@kent.kent.edu (Keith E.>: Datacide <pin...@bconnex.net> wrote in article
>: <01bb89ef$e76278c0$bac8...@pinnell.bconnex.net>...
>
>: > The reason I am writing this is out of fear. Fear of Bob Dole.
Way back,
speeches
>: > about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to
violence
>: > and sex.
>
>: Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
>
>he moved from 20 points down in the polls to only 9.....it's not over
>yet.
>
>Dole/Kemp '96
>
MISHA
B Morphin
>
>Hello? cut taxes by 15%? who wins here? The rich once again.
Someone
>that makes $170,000 a year will save $9,000 in taxes, WHOOPEY! He can
buy
>another rare stamp with his money. A family like mine tht brings in
about
>$40,000 will save a whopping $900 bucks a year. Reagan tried this in
the
>80's and it did'nt work.. what makes anyone think it will work now?
It's
>just another rich tax break. I pay over 30 % of my income into taxes,
and
>the upper class pay far less. Besides, IF I had any grandfathers
still
>alive, they would still be younger than Dole, sheesh, Dole 96, Kemp 97
>outta be their campaign slogan.
>
> -Tim
reply:
Im sorry but I can't understand this logic. In my book a penny save is
a penny earned. Poor or rich. Yeah with views like this they should
just go ahead and raise it another 15%. Dumb de dumb dumb.
Why even work?
BH
Cyril Allauzen
In article <greg-15089...@tigger.pomona.edu>, gr...@pomona.edu (Tigger) writes:
|>
[...]
|> And one of the Scandanavian countries (I forget which, either Sweden
Switzerland, a scandinavian country? :D
Maybe you should buy an atlas.
Carla Grimm
> : Dave Glue <dav...@interlog.com> wrote:
> : >Why "fear" a man when he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning?
> : >I'll miss this campaign from a Canadian perspective, although I probably
> : >shouldn't make much light of it since US politics do affect Canada, and
> : >virtually every other nation. But Dole is amusing to watch. The man is so far
> : >out of touch it's a riot.
>
> : I wonder if all those Clinton supporters enjoy donating 33% of their
> : income to the government every year.
>
>
> Hello? cut taxes by 15%? who wins here? The rich once again. Someone
> that makes $170,000 a year will save $9,000 in taxes, WHOOPEY! He can buy
> another rare stamp with his money. A family like mine tht brings in about
> $40,000 will save a whopping $900 bucks a year. Reagan tried this in the
> 80's and it did'nt work.. what makes anyone think it will work now? It's
> just another rich tax break. I pay over 30 % of my income into taxes, and
> the upper class pay far less. Besides, IF I had any grandfathers still
> alive, they would still be younger than Dole, sheesh, Dole 96, Kemp 97
> outta be their campaign slogan.
>
> -Tim
Yeah, but that's still 900 more video game dollars you didn't have
before. Let's just skip it all and go flat tax, eh?
Rob DiPietro
In <4uvou8$r...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> Kevin Calvert
<Outt...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
>Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote (No one gives a shit what
he writes):
-Snip-
>Oh no! Now Nobody is trying to have political views! AHHHHH! :)
>
>KC
>
It Nobody for real? Give it up! Your video game views are as bad as
your political ones. I feel your pain though....... =)
Later,
Rob
Richard T Jordan
>Oh no! Now Nobody is trying to have political views! AHHHHH! :)
Hey, he should be congratulated. He actually wrote a fairly
informed post and didn't bring up the Sega Rules/N64 sucks opinion.
Carla Grimm
I don't see why Blacks, Hispanics, or Gays and Lesbos don't like him...
sdg
The funniest thing in the world is watching bob dole
pretend to smile. he can't do it. he may curl the corners
of his mouth up and show his teeth, but his steely, beady
eyes give him away. or if he manages to get his compassionate,
happy eyes out, his mouth is locked in a scowl.
what a boob. he probably doesn't even know what a video game
is, he sure hasn't played any.
Jim S
Why is it as soon as one stupid, inappropriate thread dies, another
one like this comes along? Who the hell started this? Thanks alot,
pal. Yeah, let's mix politics and video games and clog up the newsgroups
some more.
Yeesh.
--
Jim S. <ji...@inlink.com>
Serious fan of:
*St. Louis Rams *Michigan Wolverines
*St. Louis Cardinals *XTC *JAWS
Dave Glue
Perry Mercer
BOB WHO??
Who's this Bob character.
Bob Dole?? He's not making it to the White House.
I hate the Republicans. All they care about is their paychecks and how
much money they can get from the people. Just ask Bush!! READ MY LIPS!!
No Thanks George!!
Perry - VGT-ONLINE
http://www.vgt.com
Chris McLaughlin
On 15 Aug 1996, Dave Glue wrote:
>
> Gabe White <gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote in article
> <4utjt7$5...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>...
>
> > I guess, living up there, you've got a different view of taxes than I do.
>
> Well, of course. People living in different parts of the world have different
> opinions of how a country should be run. Americans seem to have great
> difficulty accepting this.
Well, this thread seems to have been started (and now continued by)
CANADIANS (who, as they rightly point out, are not Americans)
complaining about U.S. politicians. Hmmm, maybe Americans aren't the only
ones who get off on telling other people how to run their gov'ts :)
-Chris
Ah, y'all are just bitter 'cause were taking all your hockey teams :)
Doug S.
Datacide wrote:
>
> First off...let me say that I am Canadian so I am not some Government
> pusher for the US.
<clip>
>
> Maybe I am being too extreme...maybe I am just wrong. (if I am...someone
> please correct me!)
>
> Just thought I'd give all my neighbours to the south something to think
> about as they go to the polls in November.
>
> -POOF-
It seems that you are all missing one point here, Bob Dole's position in the polls
will peak tomorrow, and he will still be behind. Dole can't pull it off. I'm not
saying this as a democrat or republican, just a realist.
Doug
Mark Eaton
In article <4utjt7$5...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Gabe White) wrote:
] Dave Glue (dav...@interlog.com) wrote:
]
] : I've already been called a "liberal", how about a
] : "commie" or "socialist" because I don't believe you can cut taxes by 15% and
] : not just take the money from somewhere else? Christ I can't believe how
] : people can be so gullible.
]
] I guess, living up there, you've got a different view of taxes than I do.
]
] You see, In America, taxes are what the government takes from US. It's OUR
] money to start with. We have what we call a "tax rate" - we do not have a
] "take home rate".
]
] If they cut taxes, they wouldn't be taking money FROM someone else. They'd
] just be taking 15% less from MY pocket.
]
] Alright?
no. Its not alright. Its the (very) simplistic view of things. First off,
most of Dole's tax cuts would wind up in the pockets of tax payers who
make more than $100,000 per year; hardly across the board. Second, and
more important, it certainly WILL come from somewhere else. Dole has
promised to (A) cut taxes by 15%, (B) reduce the deficit, and (C) increase
spending on defense. Now how do you reconcile those three things? Two cost
money and one is some pie in the sky promise.
I very much want the government to take our money because if they don't it
will leave an even larger debt for future generations. One hand can't rob
the other. Dole is pulling one of the oldest tricks in the book: 'promise
them anything as long as they vote for me! I can change my mind after the
election!' It disgusting. And after 15 years of ridiculing voodoo
economics (Dole coined that term, BTW) he reverses course. And they call
Clinton a waffler. sheesh.
And besides, this voodoo economics crap is off topic. The real topic is
the ultra-conservative right in this country determined to legislate
everyones morality. If you don't think for a moment that the Christian
Coalition is pulling the strings of the Republican Party, you're fooling
yourself. Something like 1/3 of the delegates at the RNC are members of
Christian Coalition. The entire WA state delegation is CC. Gee, wonder
what their ultimate goals are? Freedom of expression in video games? I
don't think so.
] --
] "Statesman, my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is
] Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon
] which Freedom can securely stand."
] -John Adams
Gee, and I thought this country operated under the founding principle of
seperation of Church and State...
Dennis L
"Datacide" <pin...@bconnex.net> wrote:
> First off...let me say that I am Canadian so I am not some Government
>pusher for the US.
>
>when he started his rise to power, Bob Dole made several strong speeches
>about "Cleaning up Hollywood". Most of this was in reference to violence
>and sex.
I am well aware of Dole's stand on censorship...
I am trying to choose the lesser of 2 evils. Looks like Clinton will be my
choice again (despite the scandals and the fact I am not democrat)
John M. Boblett
Well, I hate to break it to everyone, but several months ago, Hillary
Clinton spoke to a parents' group, and stated that she was appalled by
the violence in video games, and asked why we couldn't make more
peaceful games. She then stated, angrily, that someone should force a
ratings system on the game industry. First off, she was obviously trying
to score political points with parents. Second, she obviously did no
real research, as the ratings are posted on the front of the game boxs
and have been for almost two years now.
So, if you're concerned about Bob Dole, why don't you start worrying
about Hillary Clinton and her husband Bill, too. Face it, the violence
in games, which we will all admit is there, is a political target for
any and every politician. To counter, I would suggest that major players
in the game industry start to form a fund to begin a national tv
advertising and store-placement campaign to educate parents on the
rating system and the games' content. Frankly, ignorance is the
politician's ally, and they are wielding it madly. If the game industry
would really work like mad to get the word out, perhaps even requiring
all participants in the ratings group to show the game ratings in the
ad, we could take the wind out of the politicians' sails. Besides, Bob
Dole liked ID4; there's not much in that that's better than the vast
majority of games. Why was it good? We kicked butt and won. Lame, Bob,
really lame...
- Matthew
SUDDEN DEATH
In article <321391...@hamptons.com>, joe <unab...@hamptons.com> writes:
>>
>> If you haven't noticed, since he picked Jack Kemp as his running mate
>> he moved from 20 points down in the polls to only 9.....it's not over
>> yet.
>>
>> Dole/Kemp '96
>
I hope Dole has a heart attack at his victory party and dies. It's rare that I
hate someone as much as I hate him. If you're gonna bash movies for violence
and what not is it too much to ask that you've actually SEEN the movies first??
->Later.....Spice ____ _____ _____ _____ __ __
SUDDEN | \| _ |/ _ \|_ _| | | |
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Ched Chorture
On 15 Aug 1996 17:25:27 GMT, Nobody's Perfect <nob...@nowhere.com>
wrote:
Y'know, I WAS worrried about Dole's chances in this election
("Novomber"?? don't you HATE it when you mispell words in thread
titles?) , but now that Nobody has stated this, and we all know he's
always wrong, seemingly about just about everything......This may be a
closer race than we thought.
You?...go to school? (snicker)....it's not like you don't need to
though....
By the way scrub, this doesn't belong in a games newsgroup.
But....since ya posted it.....
"I'm pretty #$*=!@' FAR from Okay..."
Rob DiPietro
My your very adult about this. Do they allow you to vote? Oh wait,
your from the "media." Thats why. As for Bush, there weren't any NEW
taxes, he just raised them. =)
As far as the republicans go, they are interested that people get to
KEEP more of their paychecks rather than shelling it out for BS
government services. On the other hand people like Mista Clinton want
all of our money so that the government grows and has to run our lives.
Sorry but my money is my money, not Slicks. I would like to keep it
that way.
-Rob
Dole/Kemp 96
"Bill Clinton's promises last as long as a Big Mac on Airforce 1"
David St. Hubbins
Carble (car...@gramercy.ios.com) wrote:
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hey if you dont complain how are you going to get other people to join your
side and 2 votes win over 1 vote so sit on it
complaining is a god given right dont dis complainers (unless they get
personal you hoser)