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Mark Brader

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These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2015-12-08,
and should be interpreted accordingly.

On each question you may give up to two answers, but if you give
both a right answer and a wrong answer, there is a small penalty.
Please post all your answers to the newsgroup in a single followup,
based only on your own knowledge. (In your answer posting, quote
the questions and place your answer below each one.) I will reveal
the correct answers in about 3 days.

All questions were written by members of the Bloor St. Irregulars,
and are used here by permission, but have been reformatted and may
have been retyped and/or edited by me. For further information
see my 2015-08-18 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
Inquisition (QFTCI*)".


** Final, Round 4 - History

* A Year in the Life

Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).

1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg
2. Joan of Arc -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/2.jpg
3. Genghis Khan -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/3.jpg


* The US Constitution

We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
material is from.

4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
United States is hereby repealed.

5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
not be infringed.

6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
witness against himself...


* Colorful Revolutions

Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
"Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.

7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.
8. Rose Revolution, 2003.
9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.


* Ancient Iran

10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
languages.

11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.

12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
died in 530 BC.


* Alternate History

13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
in 1933.

14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
(636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.

15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
divergence point?


After completing the round, please decode the rot13: Vs lbh whfg
nafjrerq "cynthr" be bar bs vgf sbezf fhpu nf "ohobavp cynthr"
ba gur ynfg dhrfgvba, cyrnfr fhofgvghgr gur *anzr* hfrq sbe guvf
fcrpvsvp cnaqrzvp qvfnfgre.

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Joshua Kreitzer

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m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in news:Lf2dnUUR3dHQpNjKnZ2dnUU7-
dnN...@giganews.com:

> ** Final, Round 4 - History
>
> * A Year in the Life
>
> Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
> that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).
>
> 1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg

1515
1320; 1335
1240; 1280

> * The US Constitution
>
> We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
> material is from.
>
> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.

21st Amendment

> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.

2nd Amendment

> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...

5th Amendment

> * Colorful Revolutions
>
> Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
> Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
> country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
> "Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.
>
> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.

Ukraine

> 8. Rose Revolution, 2003.

Georgia

> * Ancient Iran
>
> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.

Persian; Akkadian

> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.

Shushan

> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.

Cyrus
(the claims about the human rights declarations on the cylinder are
reportedly overblown, but it would have been nice if they were true)

> * Alternate History
>
> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.

Franklin Roosevelt

> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.

Muhammad

> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?

the Black Death

> After completing the round, please decode the rot13: Vs lbh whfg
> nafjrerq "cynthr" be bar bs vgf sbezf fhpu nf "ohobavp cynthr"
> ba gur ynfg dhrfgvba, cyrnfr fhofgvghgr gur *anzr* hfrq sbe guvf
> fcrpvsvp cnaqrzvp qvfnfgre.

--
Joshua Kreitzer
grom...@hotmail.com

Dan Tilque

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May 25, 2016, 5:03:37 AM5/25/16
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Mark Brader wrote:
>
>
> ** Final, Round 4 - History
>
> * A Year in the Life
>
> Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
> that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).
>
> 1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg

1480
1310
1200

>
>
> * The US Constitution
>
> We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
> material is from.
>
> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.

21st

>
> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.

2nd

>
> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...

5th

>
>
> * Colorful Revolutions
>
> Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
> Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
> country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
> "Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.
>
> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.
> 8. Rose Revolution, 2003.
> 9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.

Myanmar

>
>
> * Ancient Iran
>
> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.

Babylonian

>
> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.

Susa

>
> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.

Cyrus

>
>
> * Alternate History
>
> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.

Franklin Roosevelt

>
> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.

Mohammad

>
> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?

Black Death

>
>
> After completing the round, please decode the rot13: Vs lbh whfg
> nafjrerq "cynthr" be bar bs vgf sbezf fhpu nf "ohobavp cynthr"
> ba gur ynfg dhrfgvba, cyrnfr fhofgvghgr gur *anzr* hfrq sbe guvf
> fcrpvsvp cnaqrzvp qvfnfgre.
>


--
Dan Tilque

Dan Blum

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Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:

> ** Final, Round 4 - History

> * A Year in the Life

1570 CE
1400 CE
1250 CE

> * The US Constitution

> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.

20

> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.

2

> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...

5

> * Colorful Revolutions

> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.

Ukraine

> * Ancient Iran

> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.

Farsi

> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.

Nineveh

> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.

Xerxes

> * Alternate History

> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt

> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.

Mohammed

> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?

Black Death


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_______________________________________________________________________
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"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."

Peter Smyth

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Mark Brader wrote:

>
> ** Final, Round 4 - History
>
> * A Year in the Life
>
> Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
> that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).
>
> 1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg
1500
1420
1150
>
> * The US Constitution
>
> We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
> material is from.
>
> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.
20th, 21st
> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.
2nd
> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...
5th
>
> * Colorful Revolutions
>
> Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
> Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
> country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
> "Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.
>
> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.
Ukraine
> 8. Rose Revolution, 2003.
> 9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.
>
>
> * Ancient Iran
>
> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.
Persian
> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.
>
> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.
>
>
> * Alternate History
>
> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.
Franklin D Roosevelt
> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.
Mohammed
> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?
Black Death
>
> Nsgre pbzcyrgvat gur ebhaq, cyrnfr qrpbqr gur ebg13: If you just
> answered "plague" or one of its forms such as "bubonic plague"
> on the last question, please substitute the name used for this
> specific pandemic disaster.

Marc Dashevsky

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In article <Lf2dnUUR3dHQpNjK...@giganews.com>, m...@vex.net says...
> ** Final, Round 4 - History
>
> * A Year in the Life
>
> Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
> that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).

I don't get the value of the images.
1530
1344
1201

> * The US Constitution
>
> We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
> material is from.
>
> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.
21

> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.
2

> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...
5

> * Colorful Revolutions
>
> Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
> Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
> country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
> "Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.
>
> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.
Ukraine

> 8. Rose Revolution, 2003.
> 9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.
Burma

> * Ancient Iran
>
> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.
Greek

> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.
Susa

> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.
Cyrus

> * Alternate History
>
> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.
FDR

> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.
Mohammed

> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?
Black Death

> After completing the round, please decode the rot13: Vs lbh whfg
> nafjrerq "cynthr" be bar bs vgf sbezf fhpu nf "ohobavp cynthr"
> ba gur ynfg dhrfgvba, cyrnfr fhofgvghgr gur *anzr* hfrq sbe guvf
> fcrpvsvp cnaqrzvp qvfnfgre.



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Marc Dashevsky

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In article <XnsA613BA30B8A3g...@213.239.209.88>, grom...@hotmail.com says...
> > 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> > United States is hereby repealed.
>
> 21st Amendment
>
> > 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> > free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> > not be infringed.
>
> 2nd Amendment
>
> > 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> > witness against himself...
>
> 5th Amendment

Sorry Joshua.
You used "amendment" in the answer so each of those answers lose 1 point.

Marc Dashevsky

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In article <ni3pid$nl9$1...@dont-email.me>, dti...@frontier.com says...
> > 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> > United States is hereby repealed.
>
> 21st
>
> >
> > 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> > free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> > not be infringed.
>
> 2nd
>
> >
> > 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> > witness against himself...
>
> 5th

Mark asked for numbers and you answered with ordinal numbers.
Ordinal numbers are adjectives, while cardinal numbers are nouns.
I wonder how Mark is going to rule?

Dan Tilque

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Ordinal numbers are still numbers and he didn't specify which kind he
wanted. I gave ordinals because that's how amendments are usually
refered to. Consider that people plead "the fifth" when they refuse to
answer; they don't plead "number 5".

--
Dan Tilque

Mark Brader

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Marc Dashevsky:
> I don't get the value of the images.

Well, in at least two cases there was humor value!
--
Mark Brader "I can say nothing at this point."
Toronto "Well, you were wrong."
m...@vex.net -- Monty Python's Flying Circus

Erland Sommarskog

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May 25, 2016, 4:16:31 PM5/25/16
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Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
> 1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg

1960
1420
1200

> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.

Eightteenth

> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.

Second

> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...

Thirteenth

> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.

Ukraine

> 8. Rose Revolution, 2003.

Georgia

> 9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.

Kirgizistan

> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.

Aramenian

> * Alternate History
>
> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.

Franklin D Roosevelt

> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.

Mohammed

> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?

Black Death




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Erland Sommarskog

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Marc Dashevsky (use...@MarcDashevsky.com) writes:
> I don't get the value of the images.
>

Well, if I had cared to look at them before I posted my answers, I could
have avoided making a fool of myself. Damn, I am *sure* that when my
news server presented the post it said "King" somewhere in the first
question. Oh well.

Mark Brader

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Erland Sommarskog:
> Well, if I had cared to look at them before I posted my answers, I could
> have avoided making a fool of myself.

I dunno; I'd be more worried about having claimed that the 18th Amendment
was the one that repealed the 18th Amendment.
--
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Toronto | means the individual referred to in paragraph (i)."
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Marc Dashevsky

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In article <MPG.31af9b...@news.eternal-september.org>, use...@MarcDashevsky.com says...
I retract my anti-Mark snit because he changed his decision.

Calvin

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On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 3:34:06 PM UTC+10, Mark Brader wrote:

> ** Final, Round 4 - History
>
> * A Year in the Life
>
> Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
> that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).
>
> 1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg

1510, 1540
1425, 1445
1250, 1350

> * The US Constitution
>
> We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
> material is from.
>
> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.

21st

> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.

3rd, 4th

> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...

5th

> * Colorful Revolutions
>
> Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
> Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
> country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
> "Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.
>
> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.

Ukraine

> 8. Rose Revolution, 2003.

Belarus, Slovakia

> 9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.

Myanmar


> * Ancient Iran
>
> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.

Egyptian Hieroglyphics and Latin; Latin and Ancient Greek

> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.

Basra, Baghdad

> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.

Hammurabi

> * Alternate History
>
> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.

Roosevelt, Oppenheimer

> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.

Mohammad

> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?

The Black Death

cheers,
calvin

Calvin

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Hey- that's just buying popularity!

cheers,
calvin


swp

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On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 1:34:06 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
> These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2015-12-08,
> and should be interpreted accordingly.

f=ma

> ** Final, Round 4 - History
>
> * A Year in the Life
>
> Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
> that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).
>
> 1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg

1500
1431
1200

> * The US Constitution
>
> We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
> material is from.
>
> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.

21

> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.

2

> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...

5

> * Colorful Revolutions
>
> Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
> Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
> country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
> "Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.
>
> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.

ukraine

> 8. Rose Revolution, 2003.

georgia

> 9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.

burma

> * Ancient Iran
>
> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.

babylonian

> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.

susa (it's in iran now)

> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.

hammurabi

> * Alternate History
>
> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.

franklin roosevelt

> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.

the prophet muhammad

> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?

the black death

> After completing the round, please decode the rot13: If you just
> answered "plague" or one of its forms such as "bubonic plague"
> on the last question, please substitute the *name* used for this
> specific pandemic disaster.
>
> --
> Mark Brader | "Forgive me if I misunderstood myself, but
> Toronto | I don't think I was arguing in favour of that..."
> m...@vex.net | -- Geoff Butler
>
> My text in this article is in the public domain.


swp

Jason Kreitzer

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On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 1:34:06 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
> These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2015-12-08,
> and should be interpreted accordingly.
>
> On each question you may give up to two answers, but if you give
> both a right answer and a wrong answer, there is a small penalty.
> Please post all your answers to the newsgroup in a single followup,
> based only on your own knowledge. (In your answer posting, quote
> the questions and place your answer below each one.) I will reveal
> the correct answers in about 3 days.
>
> All questions were written by members of the Bloor St. Irregulars,
> and are used here by permission, but have been reformatted and may
> have been retyped and/or edited by me. For further information
> see my 2015-08-18 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
> Inquisition (QFTCI*)".
>
>
> ** Final, Round 4 - History
>
> * A Year in the Life
>
> Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
> that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).
>
> 1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg
1657?
1301?
109?
>
> * The US Constitution
>
> We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
> material is from.
>
> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.
23rd?
> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.
2nd.
> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...
4th
>
> * Colorful Revolutions
>
> Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
> Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
> country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
> "Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.
>
> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.
> 8. Rose Revolution, 2003.
> 9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.
>
>
> * Ancient Iran
>
> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.
Sanskrit?
> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.
>
> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.
>
>
> * Alternate History
>
> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.
FDR

Erland Sommarskog

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Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
> I dunno; I'd be more worried about having claimed that the 18th Amendment
> was the one that repealed the 18th Amendment.

Nah, the text said "eightteenth article of amendment". 18th article of which
amendment? It did not say, but I assumed that it was given by the
surrounding context.

I know this may be insulting to some, but the US constitution is nothing I
read daily. Or at all. So I don't feel bad for misreading it.

Björn Lundin

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On 2016-05-25 07:34, Mark Brader wrote:
> These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2015-12-08,
> and should be interpreted accordingly.
>
> On each question you may give up to two answers, but if you give
> both a right answer and a wrong answer, there is a small penalty.
> Please post all your answers to the newsgroup in a single followup,
> based only on your own knowledge. (In your answer posting, quote
> the questions and place your answer below each one.) I will reveal
> the correct answers in about 3 days.
>
> All questions were written by members of the Bloor St. Irregulars,
> and are used here by permission, but have been reformatted and may
> have been retyped and/or edited by me. For further information
> see my 2015-08-18 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
> Inquisition (QFTCI*)".
>
>
> ** Final, Round 4 - History
>
> * A Year in the Life
>
> Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
> that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).
>
> 1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg
1517
1428
1219

>
>
> * The US Constitution
>
> We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
> material is from.
>
> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.
>

3rd;4th

> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.
>

8th;7th

> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...
>

5th





> * Colorful Revolutions
>
> Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
> Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
> country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
> "Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.
>
> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.
Ukraine


> 9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.
Burma

>
>
> * Ancient Iran
>
> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.

Farsi


>
> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.
>
> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.

Cyrus the Breat

>
>
> * Alternate History
>
> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.
>
> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.

Muhammed

>
> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?

the black death



>
>
> After completing the round, please decode the rot13: Vs lbh whfg
> nafjrerq "cynthr" be bar bs vgf sbezf fhpu nf "ohobavp cynthr"
> ba gur ynfg dhrfgvba, cyrnfr fhofgvghgr gur *anzr* hfrq sbe guvf
> fcrpvsvp cnaqrzvp qvfnfgre.
>


--
--
Björn

Mark Brader

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Mark Brader:
> > I dunno; I'd be more worried about having claimed that the 18th Amendment
> > was the one that repealed the 18th Amendment.

Erland Sommarskog:
> Nah, the text said "eightteenth article of amendment". 18th article of which
> amendment? It did not say, but I assumed that it was given by the
> surrounding context.

Ah, I didn't think of that misreading.

The thing is that the US constitution has a screwy way of being
amended. Rather than text being replaced, as the word "amendment"
implies, all existing text stays in place forever and amendments are
tacked onto the end as new articles, and it's understood that the newer
content supersedes any older content that it conflicts with. This
particular amendment is actually the only one (out of 27 so far) that
specifically identifies what provision it is superseding.

And since each amendment is an article, it can be referred to either
as an amendment (the usual term), an article, or an article of amendment.
All three designations occur in the consitution.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Strange commas are enshrined in
m...@vex.net | the US Constitution." --James Hogg

Erland Sommarskog

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Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
> The thing is that the US constitution has a screwy way of being
> amended. Rather than text being replaced, as the word "amendment"
> implies, all existing text stays in place forever and amendments are
> tacked onto the end as new articles, and it's understood that the newer
> content supersedes any older content that it conflicts with. This
> particular amendment is actually the only one (out of 27 so far) that
> specifically identifies what provision it is superseding.

I looked up "amendment" in my quiet comprehensive English-Swedish
dictionary, and there were quite a few suggestions - including words
I have never seen in Swedish before.

Some of these words are on the line of "correction" as you suggest
above. However, in the specific context of the US constitution, Swedish uses
"tillägg" which matches exactly the process you describe above. That
is "tillägg" is an addition of some sort. So from my perspective it
is clear that the original text is retained with amendments added to it.

Dan Tilque

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Mark Brader wrote:

> The thing is that the US constitution has a screwy way of being
> amended. Rather than text being replaced, as the word "amendment"
> implies, all existing text stays in place forever and amendments are
> tacked onto the end as new articles, and it's understood that the newer
> content supersedes any older content that it conflicts with.

It should be noted that most renditions of the Constitution indicate in
some way the provisions that have been superseded. It may put them in a
different font (italics, for example) or struck through or in parens.
For example, this version (
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/overview ) puts superseded
clauses in hypertext links to the amendment that overrides them.

Not all amendments supersede something in the original document or
earlier amendments. The first ten, known as the Bill of Rights, do not.
There's several others that don't as well.


--
Dan Tilque

Mark Brader

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Mark Brader:
> > The thing is that the US constitution has a screwy way of being
> > amended. Rather than text being replaced, as the word "amendment"
> > implies, all existing text stays in place forever and amendments are
> > tacked onto the end as new articles, and it's understood that the newer
> > content supersedes any older content that it conflicts with.

Dan Tilque:
> It should be noted that most renditions of the Constitution indicate in
> some way the provisions that have been superseded.

If so, it should also be noted that such indications are unofficial.

> Not all amendments supersede something in the original document or
> earlier amendments.

True.

> The first ten, known as the Bill of Rights, do not.

Well, the 1st Amendment limits the powers of Congress enumerated in
Article I, Section 8, so to that extent it supersedes the two clauses
that use the word "all".
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m...@vex.net are spelld rong." -- Rik Fischer Smoody

Mark Brader

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Mark Brader:
> These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2015-12-08,
> and should be interpreted accordingly... For further information
> see my 2015-08-18 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
> Inquisition (QFTCI*)".


> ** Final, Round 4 - History

> * A Year in the Life

> Given the name of a historical figure, name any year during which
> that person was alive (years of birth and death are acceptable).

> 1. Martin Luther -- http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/f-4/year/1.jpg

1483-1546. 4 for Joshua, Peter, Marc, Calvin (the hard way),
Stephen, and Björn.
1412-1431. 4 for Peter, Erland, Stephen, and Björn. 3 for Calvin.
1162-1227. 4 for Dan Tilque, Marc, Erland, Stephen, and Björn.


> * The US Constitution

> We give some words from an amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States; you tell us which number amendment the quoted
> material is from.

> 4. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the
> United States is hereby repealed.

21st. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Marc, Calvin, and Stephen.
2 for Peter.

> 5. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
> free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
> not be infringed.

2nd. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Dan Blum, Peter, Marc, Erland,
Stephen, and Jason.

> 6. No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a
> witness against himself...

5th. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Dan Blum, Peter, Marc, Calvin,
Stephen, and Björn.


> * Colorful Revolutions

> Sometimes revolutionary movements are associated with colors.
> Given the color and the year(s) of the revolution, provide the
> country where this revolution happened. For example, if we said
> "Green Revolution, 2009-10", the answer would be Iran.

> 7. Orange Revolution, 2004-05.

Ukraine. 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, Peter, Marc, Erland, Calvin,
Stephen, and Björn.

> 8. Rose Revolution, 2003.

Georgia. 4 for Joshua, Erland, and Stephen.

> 9. Saffron Revolution, 2007.

Myanmar (Burma). 4 for Dan Tilque, Marc, Calvin, Stephen, and Björn.


> * Ancient Iran

> 10. The Behistun Monument (sometime called the "Rosetta Stone
> of Cuneiform") records the deeds of Darius I on an inaccessible
> cliffside in three different languages. Name any one of those
> languages.

Elamite, Babylonian (Akkadian), (Old) Persian. 4 for Joshua (the
hard way), Dan Tilque, Dan Blum, Peter, Stephen, and Björn.

> 11. The Persian empire's main capital was Persepolis, but their
> secondary capital was this Elamite city, the setting of the
> Book of Esther and site of the Tomb of Daniel. Name the city.

Susa. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Marc, and Stephen.

> 12. This was the "Great" Persian king who conquered Babylon
> in 539 BC. A clay cylinder named for him may be the earliest
> declaration of universal human rights. Name this king, who
> died in 530 BC.

Cyrus the Great. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Marc, and Björn.


> * Alternate History

> 13. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man in the High Castle", this man
> was assassinated, resulting in the Nazis winning World War II.
> In our universe, Chicago mayor Anton Cermak was accidentally
> killed instead of him. Name this man who avoided assassination
> in 1933.

Franklin D. Roosevelt. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Dan Blum, Peter,
Marc, Erland, Stephen, and Jason. 3 for Calvin.

> 14. In Harry Turtledove's Byzantium stories, this man joins a
> Christian monastery. As a result, the battles of Yarmouk
> (636) and Qadisiya (637) never occur. Name this man who, in
> our timeline, most definitely did not become a Christian saint.

Muhammad. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Dan Blum, Peter, Marc, Erland,
Calvin, Stephen, and Björn.

> 15. In Robert Silverberg's Gate of the Worlds, Aztecs and Ottomans
> dominate the world. In his timeline, this event killed 75%
> of Europe's population, somewhat more than was the case in
> our reality. What mid-14th-century event was Silverberg's
> divergence point?

The Black Death (or Black Plague; "plague" alone was not sufficient).
4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Dan Blum, Peter, Marc, Erland, Calvin,
Stephen, and Björn.


Scores, if there are no errors:

FINAL ROUNDS-> 2 3 4 TOTALS
TOPICS-> Lit Sci His
Marc Dashevsky 32 51 48 131
Joshua Kreitzer 48 33 48 129
Stephen Perry -- 60 56 116
Dan Blum 40 32 28 100
Dan Tilque 16 40 44 100
"Calvin" 20 25 34 79
Peter Smyth -- 38 38 76
Björn Lundin 0 29 40 69
Erland Sommarskog -- 31 32 63
Bruce Bowler -- 48 -- 48
Jason Kreitzer 8 4 8 20
Pete Gayde 4 -- -- 4

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