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Justin Thomas Reese

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Jun 9, 1993, 11:56:10 PM6/9/93
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Does anyone know who invented the bra? A trivial pursuit question, I
have it on good authority, says it was Otto Titslinger. B.S.?


C. K. Powell

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Jun 10, 1993, 12:43:57 AM6/10/93
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jtr...@hubcap.clemson.edu writes:
> Does anyone know who invented the bra? A trivial pursuit question, I
> have it on good authority, says it was Otto Titslinger. B.S.?
>
I'd vote it was b.s. I recall vaguely that it was some French
dressmaker …in the early 1800s, who constructed a bra out of a
handkerchief and some ribbons. But I don't know where I
—know that from.

Christina

Mathews Joshua Thundyil

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Jun 10, 1993, 9:56:02 AM6/10/93
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In article <1993Jun10.0...@hubcap.clemson.edu> jtr...@hubcap.clemson.edu (Justin Thomas Reese) writes:
>Does anyone know who invented the bra? A trivial pursuit question, I
>have it on good authority, says it was Otto Titslinger. B.S.?
>
>


I think the person who patented it was Mary Phelps Jacobs who made it out
of two handkerchiefs and some string...

jeng...@gmuvax.gmu.edu

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Jun 10, 1993, 1:39:08 PM6/10/93
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Actually, believe it or not, it was Howard Hughes who invented the
bra. He made one for Jane Russell for a movie that he was producing that
she was in and he wanted her clothing to have a certain look, so he created
this "appliance" to get the lift he wanted. And there you have it, the
first bra. So Jane Russell said in an interview on Howard Hughes. But
who knows for sure?

Johannah
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William LaMonaca

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Jun 10, 1993, 3:22:29 PM6/10/93
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Actually, Howard invented a special bra for Jane Russel for the
movie "The Outlaw". The brassiere itself was around long before
the movie came out (which, I believe was the mid to late 40's).
.

Heidi E. Schlenker

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Jun 10, 1993, 4:18:08 PM6/10/93
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Now, I've never actually looked this up so I have no idea if it a joke that
has been told so many times it is taken as fact, but I've always heard
that Otto (? could be another first name) Titslinger was, ironically, the
inventor of the brassiere.

Arthur S. Kamlet

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Jun 10, 1993, 7:15:13 PM6/10/93
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No, what Hughes came up with was the first strapless bra. For Jane
Russell in The Outlaw.


Obl. trivia followup: In what Harold Robbins novel is all this
described?
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Karen L Lingel

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Jun 10, 1993, 10:54:08 PM6/10/93
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In Cecil Adams' _More of the Straight Dope_, he states that the book written
in 1971 by Wallace Reyburn entitled _Bust Up: The Uplifting Tale of Otto
Titzling and the Developement of the Bra_ is "obviously a spoof". The
people at Trivial Pursuit believe everything they read.


Richard Madison

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Jun 11, 1993, 12:47:09 AM6/11/93
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To the best of my knowledge it was invented by a Frenchman named Brassiere,
but stolen and patented by Otto Titslinger.
Go watch Beaches.


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Brian Gordon

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Jun 11, 1993, 12:13:42 PM6/11/93
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In article <C8Fx...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> rrma...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Madison) writes:
<In article <1993Jun10....@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> aab...@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Heidi E. Schlenker) writes:
<<In article <1993Jun10.1...@gmuvax.gmu.edu> jeng...@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
<<<Actually, believe it or not, it was Howard Hughes who invented the
<<<bra. He made one for Jane Russell for a movie that he was producing that

Close, no cigar. Hughes invented the STRAPLESS bra (for a Jane Russell movie).

<<<she was in and he wanted her clothing to have a certain look, so he created
<<<this "appliance" to get the lift he wanted. And there you have it, the
<<<first bra. So Jane Russell said in an interview on Howard Hughes. But
<<<who knows for sure?
<<Now, I've never actually looked this up so I have no idea if it a joke that
<<has been told so many times it is taken as fact, but I've always heard
<<that Otto (? could be another first name) Titslinger was, ironically, the
<<inventor of the brassiere.
<<
<
<To the best of my knowledge it was invented by a Frenchman named Brassiere,

Well, since the French word for "undershirt" os "brassiere", it would be one
HELL of a coincidence if someone named that just happened to invent the bra,
wouldn't it?

<but stolen and patented by Otto Titslinger.

Inconsistent -- you have to prove you invented something to patent it, so
"stolen" things can't be patented. Moreover, since "the use of cloth to
constrain the female breasts" has been around since at least Biblical times,
it would be hard for _anyone_ to "invent" it in modern times, wouldn't it?

<Go watch Beaches.

Why?
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Slash Maraud

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Jun 11, 1993, 4:02:19 PM6/11/93
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>To the best of my knowledge it was invented by a Frenchman named Brassiere,
>but stolen and patented by Otto Titslinger.

>Go watch Beaches.

<This is a joke, I hope. I know it was in the movie...>
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Michael Scanlon

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The Carpetbaggers -yes????? Mom really shouldn't have left such trashy
novels around for horny teenagers to find :)

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Steve Ryan

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Jun 13, 1993, 2:29:15 AM6/13/93
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In article <1993Jun10....@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> aab...@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Heidi E. Schlenker) writes:
>From: aab...@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Heidi E. Schlenker)

>Subject: Re: Inventor of bra
>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 20:18:08 GMT

That's what appears in the game of Trivial Pursuit anyway!

:-)


Regards,

Steve

David Esan

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Jun 15, 1993, 9:02:43 AM6/15/93
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In article <hosryan.87...@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> hos...@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Steve Ryan) writes:
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>That's what appears in the game of Trivial Pursuit anyway!

Long, long time ago, when the net and I were both young, this group was
organized to discuss - trivia games, particularly Trivial Pursuit. We found
that there were about 10-12 questions with incorrect answers on them.

Whether these questions are intentionally incorrect to prevent knockoffs,
or whether they are incorrect because the authors were in error was never
established, but there are incorrect answers in the game.

Two that I remember (it has been a lot of years since I played) are:
Q: Who was the first president of Israel.
TP A: David Ben-Gurion.
Correct A: Chaim Weizman (B-G was the first Prime Minister.)

Q: What planet did the Mariner probes visit?
TP A: Mars.
Correct Answer: Mars and Venus.

I would not take anything T-P has to say as gospel fact.


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Stewart Clamen

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Jun 15, 1993, 8:46:38 PM6/15/93
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In article <54...@moscom.com> d...@moscom.com (David Esan) writes:

In article <hosryan.87...@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au> hos...@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (Steve Ryan) writes:
>
>That's what appears in the game of Trivial Pursuit anyway!

Long, long time ago, when the net and I were both young, this group was
organized to discuss - trivia games, particularly Trivial Pursuit. We found
that there were about 10-12 questions with incorrect answers on them.

Whether these questions are intentionally incorrect to prevent knockoffs,
or whether they are incorrect because the authors were in error was never
established, but there are incorrect answers in the game.

Two that I remember (it has been a lot of years since I played) are:
Q: Who was the first president of Israel.
TP A: David Ben-Gurion.
Correct A: Chaim Weizman (B-G was the first Prime Minister.)

Q: What planet did the Mariner probes visit?
TP A: Mars.
Correct Answer: Mars and Venus.

I would not take anything T-P has to say as gospel fact.


Another bug in the first Genus edition of Trivial Pursuit (the
original Canadian edition in any case) was:

Q: What do you call a castrated bull?
A: An ox

CORRECT A: A steer

What is even stranger is that the same question, with the CORRECT
ANSWER also appeared in the set.


The second (Canadian) edition of Genus featured the question:

Q: How many errors appeared in the first Genus set?
A: eighteen (I think)

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Michael Scanlon

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Jun 16, 1993, 12:18:28 PM6/16/93
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In article <C8ovHs...@cs.cmu.edu> cla...@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
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>From: cla...@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
>Subject: TP bugs (was: Inventor of bra)
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And yet another TP bug.
The Naval Anthem?

They said "Anchors aweigh", bzzzzt. The right answer, ummm ahhhh I used to
know (sang it in college as part of the collegiate choir at Navy ROTC
commencement). Somebody should know around here??????

Mike Scanlon

Heath Newburn

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Jun 17, 1993, 2:05:18 PM6/17/93
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There was a question in Genus II (I think) that asked
something to the effect of:

Whose face appears next to Franklin Roosvelt's on Mt.
Rushmore.

But it's Teddy not FDR that is on the mountain, made
for a confusing question though.

Heath
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Chris Jones

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Jun 16, 1993, 1:55:33 PM6/16/93
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In article <54...@moscom.com>, de@moscom (David Esan) writes:

[Speaking of errors in Trivial pursuit:]

>Two that I remember (it has been a lot of years since I played) are:
>Q: Who was the first president of Israel.
>TP A: David Ben-Gurion.
>Correct A: Chaim Weizman (B-G was the first Prime Minister.)
>
>Q: What planet did the Mariner probes visit?
>TP A: Mars.
>Correct Answer: Mars and Venus.

and Mercury (Mariner 10).
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Dan Tilque

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Jun 18, 1993, 3:24:13 AM6/18/93
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cla...@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
[apologies if I have the attribution wrong]

>
> Whether these questions are intentionally incorrect to prevent knockoffs,
> or whether they are incorrect because the authors were in error was never
> established, but there are incorrect answers in the game.
>
> Q: What planet did the Mariner probes visit?
> TP A: Mars.
> Correct Answer: Mars and Venus.

Depends on the meaning of "visit". If it means "go into orbit around",
then Mars is correct. If it means "do a flyby of", then the answer
should be Mars, Venus, and Mercury. Mariner 10 flew by Mercury 3 times.

Another error in the original TP was

Q: What planet did Percival Lowell discover
TP A: Pluto
Correct Answer: none. Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto.

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pta...@airfarce.canada.sun.com

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Oct 15, 1993, 9:53:34 AM10/15/93
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In article 35...@austin.ibm.com, Paul L Inman <pi...@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
>
> Well, here's the story. Missed a few last week and now I'm in a suddent death
> playoff for the win. It's all tied up and the person who can answer this one
> wins it all. Thanks for all the help so far. And without further ado:
>
> 1. What Tinkers, Evers & Chance combined to do so well?


Isn't this a shady way to play a trivia contest?

Paul, I trust you gave the newsgroup the credit it deserves.


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