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QFTCIUA19 Game 4, Rounds 7-8: dinosaurs and sports

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Mark Brader

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Jul 15, 2019, 11:36:51 PM7/15/19
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These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2019-06-11,
and should be interpreted accordingly.

On each question you may give up to two answers, but if you give
both a right answer and a wrong answer, there is a small penalty.
Please post all your answers to the newsgroup in a single followup,
based only on your own knowledge. (In your answer posting, quote
the questions and place your answer below each one.) I will reveal
the correct answers in about 3 days.

All questions were written by members of Unnatural Axxxe and are
used here by permission, but have been reformatted and may have
been retyped and/or edited by me. For further information see
my 2019-01-22 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
Inquisition (QFTCI*)".

This set completes Game 4.


* Game 4, Round 7 - Science - The (Mostly Cretaceous) Stars of "Jurassic Park"

They were big, dumb, lumbering beasts that dominated their
environment and devoured the competition. We speak, of course,
of the "Jurassic Park" movies. Here's a round on the stars of
the show:

http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/4-7/dinos.pdf

What else can we add but "in each case, name that dinosaur"?

There were no decoys in this round, and I've sorted the questions
in order of the handout.

1. Dino A was named after a Canadian province. It's a theropod
that lived in the late Cretaceous period.

2. The movie "Jurassic Park" actually had only two dinosaurs in it
from the Jurassic period. One is B, and it killed Wayne Knight.
Name it.

3. Dino C was named after a Canadian *city*. It's a hadrosaur
that lived in the late Cretaceous period.

4. Predating tyrannosaurus by tens of milliions of years, the dino
in D fought its smaller descendant T-Rex in "Jurassic Park 3".

5. One of the most famous fossils ever found, E -- discovered in
the Gobi desert in 1971 -- depicts two Cretaceous dinosaurs
that died locked in mortal combat. Name *either* one.

6. Analysis of the horn of the dino in F indicates it probably
had a deafeningly loud mating call. Name that hadrosaur.

7. The largest flying reptile known -- G -- was, appropriately
enough, native to what is now Mexico. It's named after a
pre-Columbian deity, and you may name either the god or the
dinosaur.

8. In "Jurassic World", the fictitious and ridiculous "Indominus
rex" fought this armored herbivore with a killer club tail,
which is depicted in H. Name it.

9. The other actual Jurassic dino in "Jurassic Park" -- letter I --
has a name that means "arm lizard". Name that dino.

10. The one Cretaceous dino that we know from fossil evidence
fought T-Rex. Name the saurian in J.


* Game 4, Round 8 - Sports - Potpourri

An utterly random compendium of queries in the realm of games people play.

1. In which sport can the player's balls weigh no more than
1.62 oz. (about 46 grams) each?

2. Which Hall of Fame pitcher played for the Cleveland Indians,
St. Louis Browns, and Kansas City Athletics, all *after* the
age of 42?

3. In which net game are the women's world amateur champions
awarded the Uber Cup?

4. As far as we can tell there isn't a specific rule now, but
in the early 21st century, in order to gain recognition as an
official sport for men in the summer Olympics, a sport had to
be "widely practised" in a certain number of countries on *how
many different continents*, as counted by the Olympics?

5. Where would a sports fan find "handicapped maidens"?

6. What club does a golfer use to "hit the nickel"?

7. Which Triple Crown track is the oldest and largest horse-racing
facility in the US?

8. Which legend won the first-ever televised heavyweight boxing
championship fight? He knocked out Billy Conn in the eighth
round.

9. Name any sport which whose ball is a prolate spheroid.

10. What color tennis balls are used at Wimbledon?

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Erland Sommarskog

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Jul 16, 2019, 4:17:40 AM7/16/19
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Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
> 1. In which sport can the player's balls weigh no more than
> 1.62 oz. (about 46 grams) each?

Golf

> 4. As far as we can tell there isn't a specific rule now, but
> in the early 21st century, in order to gain recognition as an
> official sport for men in the summer Olympics, a sport had to
> be "widely practised" in a certain number of countries on *how
> many different continents*, as counted by the Olympics?

Three

> 7. Which Triple Crown track is the oldest and largest horse-racing
> facility in the US?

Kentucky Derby

> 8. Which legend won the first-ever televised heavyweight boxing
> championship fight? He knocked out Billy Conn in the eighth
> round.

Louis Stevenson

> 9. Name any sport which whose ball is a prolate spheroid.
>

Rugby

> 10. What color tennis balls are used at Wimbledon?
>

White

Dan Blum

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Jul 16, 2019, 10:19:57 AM7/16/19
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Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:

> * Game 4, Round 7 - Science - The (Mostly Cretaceous) Stars of "Jurassic Park"

> 1. Dino A was named after a Canadian province. It's a theropod
> that lived in the late Cretaceous period.

albertasaurus

> 2. The movie "Jurassic Park" actually had only two dinosaurs in it
> from the Jurassic period. One is B, and it killed Wayne Knight.
> Name it.

utahraptor

> 3. Dino C was named after a Canadian *city*. It's a hadrosaur
> that lived in the late Cretaceous period.

reginasaurus

> 5. One of the most famous fossils ever found, E -- discovered in
> the Gobi desert in 1971 -- depicts two Cretaceous dinosaurs
> that died locked in mortal combat. Name *either* one.

triceratops

> 7. The largest flying reptile known -- G -- was, appropriately
> enough, native to what is now Mexico. It's named after a
> pre-Columbian deity, and you may name either the god or the
> dinosaur.

Quetzalcoatl

> 8. In "Jurassic World", the fictitious and ridiculous "Indominus
> rex" fought this armored herbivore with a killer club tail,
> which is depicted in H. Name it.

ankylosaurus

> 9. The other actual Jurassic dino in "Jurassic Park" -- letter I --
> has a name that means "arm lizard". Name that dino.

brachiosaurus

> 10. The one Cretaceous dino that we know from fossil evidence
> fought T-Rex. Name the saurian in J.

triceratops

> * Game 4, Round 8 - Sports - Potpourri

> 1. In which sport can the player's balls weigh no more than
> 1.62 oz. (about 46 grams) each?

table tennis

> 2. Which Hall of Fame pitcher played for the Cleveland Indians,
> St. Louis Browns, and Kansas City Athletics, all *after* the
> age of 42?

Cy Young

> 3. In which net game are the women's world amateur champions
> awarded the Uber Cup?

beach volleyball; badminton

> 4. As far as we can tell there isn't a specific rule now, but
> in the early 21st century, in order to gain recognition as an
> official sport for men in the summer Olympics, a sport had to
> be "widely practised" in a certain number of countries on *how
> many different continents*, as counted by the Olympics?

3; 2

> 5. Where would a sports fan find "handicapped maidens"?

horse race

> 6. What club does a golfer use to "hit the nickel"?

five wood; five iron

> 7. Which Triple Crown track is the oldest and largest horse-racing
> facility in the US?

Saratoga Springs

> 8. Which legend won the first-ever televised heavyweight boxing
> championship fight? He knocked out Billy Conn in the eighth
> round.

Joe Louis

> 9. Name any sport which whose ball is a prolate spheroid.

American football

> 10. What color tennis balls are used at Wimbledon?

yellow; white

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_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum to...@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."

Dan Tilque

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Jul 16, 2019, 2:38:21 PM7/16/19
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On 7/15/19 8:36 PM, Mark Brader wrote:
>
> This set completes Game 4.
>
>
> * Game 4, Round 7 - Science - The (Mostly Cretaceous) Stars of "Jurassic Park"
>
> They were big, dumb, lumbering beasts that dominated their
> environment and devoured the competition. We speak, of course,
> of the "Jurassic Park" movies. Here's a round on the stars of
> the show:
>
> http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/4-7/dinos.pdf
>
> What else can we add but "in each case, name that dinosaur"?
>
> There were no decoys in this round, and I've sorted the questions
> in order of the handout.
>
> 1. Dino A was named after a Canadian province. It's a theropod
> that lived in the late Cretaceous period.

Albertasaurus

>
> 2. The movie "Jurassic Park" actually had only two dinosaurs in it
> from the Jurassic period. One is B, and it killed Wayne Knight.
> Name it.

velociraptor

>
> 3. Dino C was named after a Canadian *city*. It's a hadrosaur
> that lived in the late Cretaceous period.
>
> 4. Predating tyrannosaurus by tens of milliions of years, the dino
> in D fought its smaller descendant T-Rex in "Jurassic Park 3".
>
> 5. One of the most famous fossils ever found, E -- discovered in
> the Gobi desert in 1971 -- depicts two Cretaceous dinosaurs
> that died locked in mortal combat. Name *either* one.
>
> 6. Analysis of the horn of the dino in F indicates it probably
> had a deafeningly loud mating call. Name that hadrosaur.
>
> 7. The largest flying reptile known -- G -- was, appropriately
> enough, native to what is now Mexico. It's named after a
> pre-Columbian deity, and you may name either the god or the
> dinosaur.
>
> 8. In "Jurassic World", the fictitious and ridiculous "Indominus
> rex" fought this armored herbivore with a killer club tail,
> which is depicted in H. Name it.
>
> 9. The other actual Jurassic dino in "Jurassic Park" -- letter I --
> has a name that means "arm lizard". Name that dino.
>
> 10. The one Cretaceous dino that we know from fossil evidence
> fought T-Rex. Name the saurian in J.
>
>
> * Game 4, Round 8 - Sports - Potpourri
>
> An utterly random compendium of queries in the realm of games people play.
>
> 1. In which sport can the player's balls weigh no more than
> 1.62 oz. (about 46 grams) each?

table tennis

>
> 2. Which Hall of Fame pitcher played for the Cleveland Indians,
> St. Louis Browns, and Kansas City Athletics, all *after* the
> age of 42?

Satchel Paige

>
> 3. In which net game are the women's world amateur champions
> awarded the Uber Cup?
>
> 4. As far as we can tell there isn't a specific rule now, but
> in the early 21st century, in order to gain recognition as an
> official sport for men in the summer Olympics, a sport had to
> be "widely practised" in a certain number of countries on *how
> many different continents*, as counted by the Olympics?

4

>
> 5. Where would a sports fan find "handicapped maidens"?

horse racing

>
> 6. What club does a golfer use to "hit the nickel"?

5 iron

>
> 7. Which Triple Crown track is the oldest and largest horse-racing
> facility in the US?

Saratoga

>
> 8. Which legend won the first-ever televised heavyweight boxing
> championship fight? He knocked out Billy Conn in the eighth
> round.

Joe Louis

>
> 9. Name any sport which whose ball is a prolate spheroid.

Canadian football

>
> 10. What color tennis balls are used at Wimbledon?

white


--
Dan Tilque

Pete Gayde

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Jul 16, 2019, 6:22:53 PM7/16/19
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m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in
news:l9ydnbQoI5LQ27DA...@giganews.com:
Pterodactyl

>
> 8. In "Jurassic World", the fictitious and ridiculous "Indominus
> rex" fought this armored herbivore with a killer club tail,
> which is depicted in H. Name it.
>
> 9. The other actual Jurassic dino in "Jurassic Park" -- letter I --
> has a name that means "arm lizard". Name that dino.

Diplodocus

>
> 10. The one Cretaceous dino that we know from fossil evidence
> fought T-Rex. Name the saurian in J.

Triceratops

>
>
> * Game 4, Round 8 - Sports - Potpourri
>
> An utterly random compendium of queries in the realm of games people
> play.
>
> 1. In which sport can the player's balls weigh no more than
> 1.62 oz. (about 46 grams) each?

Table tennis

>
> 2. Which Hall of Fame pitcher played for the Cleveland Indians,
> St. Louis Browns, and Kansas City Athletics, all *after* the
> age of 42?

Satchel Paige

>
> 3. In which net game are the women's world amateur champions
> awarded the Uber Cup?

Volleyball

>
> 4. As far as we can tell there isn't a specific rule now, but
> in the early 21st century, in order to gain recognition as an
> official sport for men in the summer Olympics, a sport had to
> be "widely practised" in a certain number of countries on *how
> many different continents*, as counted by the Olympics?

4

>
> 5. Where would a sports fan find "handicapped maidens"?

Horse race track

>
> 6. What club does a golfer use to "hit the nickel"?

5 iron

>
> 7. Which Triple Crown track is the oldest and largest horse-racing
> facility in the US?

Churchill Downs

>
> 8. Which legend won the first-ever televised heavyweight boxing
> championship fight? He knocked out Billy Conn in the eighth
> round.

Rocky Marciano; Joe Louis

>
> 9. Name any sport which whose ball is a prolate spheroid.

American football

>
> 10. What color tennis balls are used at Wimbledon?

Yellow

>

Pete Gayde

Calvin

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Jul 16, 2019, 11:01:45 PM7/16/19
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On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 1:36:51 PM UTC+10, Mark Brader wrote:


> 1. Dino A was named after a Canadian province. It's a theropod
> that lived in the late Cretaceous period.

Tyrannosaurus Rex

> 2. The movie "Jurassic Park" actually had only two dinosaurs in it
> from the Jurassic period. One is B, and it killed Wayne Knight.
> Name it.
>
> 3. Dino C was named after a Canadian *city*. It's a hadrosaur
> that lived in the late Cretaceous period.
>
> 4. Predating tyrannosaurus by tens of milliions of years, the dino
> in D fought its smaller descendant T-Rex in "Jurassic Park 3".
>
> 5. One of the most famous fossils ever found, E -- discovered in
> the Gobi desert in 1971 -- depicts two Cretaceous dinosaurs
> that died locked in mortal combat. Name *either* one.
>
> 6. Analysis of the horn of the dino in F indicates it probably
> had a deafeningly loud mating call. Name that hadrosaur.
>
> 7. The largest flying reptile known -- G -- was, appropriately
> enough, native to what is now Mexico. It's named after a
> pre-Columbian deity, and you may name either the god or the
> dinosaur.

Pteranadon

> 8. In "Jurassic World", the fictitious and ridiculous "Indominus
> rex" fought this armored herbivore with a killer club tail,
> which is depicted in H. Name it.
>
> 9. The other actual Jurassic dino in "Jurassic Park" -- letter I --
> has a name that means "arm lizard". Name that dino.

Brontosaurus

> 10. The one Cretaceous dino that we know from fossil evidence
> fought T-Rex. Name the saurian in J.

Triceratops



> * Game 4, Round 8 - Sports - Potpourri
>
> An utterly random compendium of queries in the realm of games people play.
>
> 1. In which sport can the player's balls weigh no more than
> 1.62 oz. (about 46 grams) each?

Squash?

> 2. Which Hall of Fame pitcher played for the Cleveland Indians,
> St. Louis Browns, and Kansas City Athletics, all *after* the
> age of 42?

Ryan

> 3. In which net game are the women's world amateur champions
> awarded the Uber Cup?

Badminton

> 4. As far as we can tell there isn't a specific rule now, but
> in the early 21st century, in order to gain recognition as an
> official sport for men in the summer Olympics, a sport had to
> be "widely practised" in a certain number of countries on *how
> many different continents*, as counted by the Olympics?

2, 3

> 5. Where would a sports fan find "handicapped maidens"?

Horse racing

> 6. What club does a golfer use to "hit the nickel"?

Niblick

> 7. Which Triple Crown track is the oldest and largest horse-racing
> facility in the US?

Belmont, Preakness

> 8. Which legend won the first-ever televised heavyweight boxing
> championship fight? He knocked out Billy Conn in the eighth
> round.

Marciano

> 9. Name any sport which whose ball is a prolate spheroid.

Curling, Lawn bowls

> 10. What color tennis balls are used at Wimbledon?

Green, white

cheers,
calvin

Joshua Kreitzer

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> * Game 4, Round 7 - Science - The (Mostly Cretaceous) Stars of
> "Jurassic Park"
>
> They were big, dumb, lumbering beasts that dominated their
> environment and devoured the competition. We speak, of course,
> of the "Jurassic Park" movies. Here's a round on the stars of
> the show:
>
> http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/4-7/dinos.pdf
>
> What else can we add but "in each case, name that dinosaur"?
>
> 1. Dino A was named after a Canadian province. It's a theropod
> that lived in the late Cretaceous period.

Albertasaurus

> 5. One of the most famous fossils ever found, E -- discovered in
> the Gobi desert in 1971 -- depicts two Cretaceous dinosaurs
> that died locked in mortal combat. Name *either* one.

Triceratops

> 8. In "Jurassic World", the fictitious and ridiculous "Indominus
> rex" fought this armored herbivore with a killer club tail,
> which is depicted in H. Name it.

Ankylosaurus

> 10. The one Cretaceous dino that we know from fossil evidence
> fought T-Rex. Name the saurian in J.

Triceratops

> * Game 4, Round 8 - Sports - Potpourri
>
> An utterly random compendium of queries in the realm of games people
> play.
>
> 1. In which sport can the player's balls weigh no more than
> 1.62 oz. (about 46 grams) each?

golf

> 2. Which Hall of Fame pitcher played for the Cleveland Indians,
> St. Louis Browns, and Kansas City Athletics, all *after* the
> age of 42?

Satchel Paige

> 4. As far as we can tell there isn't a specific rule now, but
> in the early 21st century, in order to gain recognition as an
> official sport for men in the summer Olympics, a sport had to
> be "widely practised" in a certain number of countries on *how
> many different continents*, as counted by the Olympics?

5

> 7. Which Triple Crown track is the oldest and largest horse-racing
> facility in the US?

Churchill Downs

> 8. Which legend won the first-ever televised heavyweight boxing
> championship fight? He knocked out Billy Conn in the eighth
> round.

Joe Louis

> 9. Name any sport which whose ball is a prolate spheroid.

American football

> 10. What color tennis balls are used at Wimbledon?

white

--
Joshua Kreitzer
grom...@hotmail.com

Mark Brader

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Mark Brader:
> These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2019-06-11,
> and should be interpreted accordingly... For further information
> see my 2019-01-22 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
> Inquisition (QFTCI*)".

And now Game 4 is over and JOSHUA KREITZER has won.
Hearty congratulations!


> * Game 4, Round 7 - Science - The (Mostly Cretaceous) Stars of
> "Jurassic Park"

> They were big, dumb, lumbering beasts that dominated their
> environment and devoured the competition. We speak, of course,
> of the "Jurassic Park" movies. Here's a round on the stars of
> the show:

> http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/4-7/dinos.pdf

> What else can we add but "in each case, name that dinosaur"?

This was the hardest round in the original game:

The reason for the delay in posting it here was that I'd mislaid
the handout, and had to either find it or reconstruct it.


> There were no decoys in this round, and I've sorted the questions
> in order of the handout.

> 1. Dino A was named after a Canadian province. It's a theropod
> that lived in the late Cretaceous period.

Albertasaurus. 4 for Dan Blum, Dan Tilque, and Joshua.

> 2. The movie "Jurassic Park" actually had only two dinosaurs in it
> from the Jurassic period. One is B, and it killed Wayne Knight.
> Name it.

Dilophosaurus.

> 3. Dino C was named after a Canadian *city*. It's a hadrosaur
> that lived in the late Cretaceous period.

Edmontosaurus.

> 4. Predating tyrannosaurus by tens of milliions of years, the dino
> in D fought its smaller descendant T-Rex in "Jurassic Park 3".

Spinosaurus.

> 5. One of the most famous fossils ever found, E -- discovered in
> the Gobi desert in 1971 -- depicts two Cretaceous dinosaurs
> that died locked in mortal combat. Name *either* one.

Velociraptor, protoceratops.

> 6. Analysis of the horn of the dino in F indicates it probably
> had a deafeningly loud mating call. Name that hadrosaur.

Parasaurolophus.

> 7. The largest flying reptile known -- G -- was, appropriately
> enough, native to what is now Mexico. It's named after a
> pre-Columbian deity, and you may name either the god or the
> dinosaur.

Quetzalcoatilus, after Quetzalcoatl. 4 for Dan Blum.

> 8. In "Jurassic World", the fictitious and ridiculous "Indominus
> rex" fought this armored herbivore with a killer club tail,
> which is depicted in H. Name it.

Ankylosaurus. 4 for Dan Blum and Joshua.

> 9. The other actual Jurassic dino in "Jurassic Park" -- letter I --
> has a name that means "arm lizard". Name that dino.

Brachiosaurus. 4 for Dan Blum.

> 10. The one Cretaceous dino that we know from fossil evidence
> fought T-Rex. Name the saurian in J.

Triceratops. 4 for Dan Blum, Pete, Calvin, and Joshua.


> * Game 4, Round 8 - Sports - Potpourri

> An utterly random compendium of queries in the realm of games people play.

> 1. In which sport can the player's balls weigh no more than
> 1.62 oz. (about 46 grams) each?

Golf. 4 for Erland and Joshua.

> 2. Which Hall of Fame pitcher played for the Cleveland Indians,
> St. Louis Browns, and Kansas City Athletics, all *after* the
> age of 42?

Satchel Paige. 4 for Dan Tilque, Pete, and Joshua.

Paige was 40 when Jackie Robinson's major-league debut began the
racial desegregation of baseball, and until 42 he played in the
Negro leagues.

> 3. In which net game are the women's world amateur champions
> awarded the Uber Cup?

Badminton. 4 for Calvin. 2 for Dan Blum.

> 4. As far as we can tell there isn't a specific rule now, but
> in the early 21st century, in order to gain recognition as an
> official sport for men in the summer Olympics, a sport had to
> be "widely practised" in a certain number of countries on *how
> many different continents*, as counted by the Olympics?

4. 4 for Dan Tilque and Pete.

The "certain number" is 75 countries. For women's summer sports the
rule was 40 countries on 3 continents, and for winter sports it was
25 countries on 3 continents. (Remember that as far as the Olympics
are concerned, there are only 5 continents -- hence their logo.)

In the original game, the question didn't specify which sex, which
sort of Olympics, or when the rule applied, and the expected answer
was 5. No idea where Axxxe got that from.

> 5. Where would a sports fan find "handicapped maidens"?

In a horse race. 4 for Dan Blum, Dan Tilque, Pete, and Calvin.

> 6. What club does a golfer use to "hit the nickel"?

A five-iron. 4 for Dan Tilque and Pete. 2 for Dan Blum.

The old-fashioned niblick is similar to a 9 iron.

> 7. Which Triple Crown track is the oldest and largest horse-racing
> facility in the US?

Belmont Park. 3 for Calvin.

> 8. Which legend won the first-ever televised heavyweight boxing
> championship fight? He knocked out Billy Conn in the eighth
> round.

Joe Louis. (1946.) 4 for Dan Blum, Dan Tilque, and Joshua.
2 for Pete.

> 9. Name any sport which whose ball is a prolate spheroid.

American, Canadian, or Australian football, or rugby. 4 for Erland,
Dan Blum, Dan Tilque, Pete, and Joshua.

Curling does not use balls. Lawn bowling, a.k.a. lawn bowls or just
bowls, uses asymmetrical balls that are closer to on oblate than a
prolate spheroid.

> 10. What color tennis balls are used at Wimbledon?

Yellow. 4 for Pete. 3 for Dan Blum.

See e.g. http://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/upi/1511562851735/2019/1/ab8f5d0dfb0bd45b3e20cbc4ca66f30b/Wimbledon-2019-Simona-Halep-advances-to-womens-final.jpg

White was a popular guess and was also the expected answer in the
original game -- but it hasn't been correct since 1986!


Scores, if there are no errors:

GAME 4 ROUNDS-> 2 3 4 6 9 10 7 8 BEST
TOPICS-> Can Lit His Ent Geo Cha Sci Spo SIX
Joshua Kreitzer 22 36 32 40 40 16 12 16 186
Dan Blum 4 36 28 20 32 24 20 19 160
Pete Gayde 10 20 36 20 20 19 4 26 141
Dan Tilque 14 8 16 4 40 24 4 24 126
"Calvin" 4 10 28 24 26 23 4 11 122
Erland Sommarskog 4 0 4 0 28 24 0 8 68
Bruce Bowler -- -- 20 20 -- -- -- -- 40

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