Contibutors: Charles M. Schulz (of course)
Greg Barnes (gr...@cs.washington.edu)
Anthony Olejnik (to...@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu)
Peter Dutton (padu...@wpi.wpi.edu)
MAJOR CHARACTERS:
1) Charlie Brown
2) Sally Brown
3) Linus Van Pelt
4) Lucy Van Pelt
5) Snoopy
6) Spike (Snoopy's brother - he's been carrying alot of strips lately)
7) Woodstock
8) Peppermint Patty (Patricia Reichardt)
9) Marcie
10) Schroeder (the sixth character introduced)
11) Shermy (one of the original four characters)
12) Patty (one of the original four characters)
13) Violet (the fifth character introduced)
SOMEWHAT MAJOR CHARACTERS:
1) Freida
2) Franklin
3) Rerun Van Pelt
4) Pig Pen
5) Roy
6) Conrad (one of the other birds)
7) Harriet (yet another bird)
MINOR OR ONE-SHOT CHARACTERS:
1) Lila (Snoopy's original owner)
2) 5 (short for 555 95472 - he has two sisters named "3" and "4")
3) Poochie (blond-haired girl who first called Charlie Brown "Charlie Brown")
4) Peggy Jean (??? - someone on the net mentioned her)
5) ??????? (Snoopy's grandfather)
6) Marbles (One of Snoopy's other brothers)
7) Belle (Snoopy's sister)
8) Belle's son (I don't think he was named)
9) The "shut up and leave me alone" kid (one of CB's tentmates)
10) Molly Volley (Snoopy's doubles partner)
11) Jose Peterson (player on other baseball team)
12) Clara (see Sophie)
13) Sophie (both counseled by Peppermint Patty at camp)
14) Faron (Freida's cat)
15) Truffles (Linus likes her, but only Snoopy knows how to get to her place)
16) Crybaby Boobie (see Bad Call Benny)
17) Bad Call Benny (Molly Volley and Snoopy's doubles opponents)
18) Thibault (sexist baseball player on PP's team; has sideburns)
19) Tapioca Pudding (her father is in licensing)
20) Eudora
OTHER NAMED CHARACTERS THAT WERE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN:
1) Charlie Brown's Dad (a barber) (and of course, all the other parents)
2) Miss Othmar (Linus's favorite school teacher - became Mrs. Hagermeyer)
3) Helen Sweetstory (writes the "bunny wunny" books that Snoopy likes)
4) Joe Shlabotnik (Charlie Brown's favorite baseball player)
5) The Great Pumpkin (he or she may not exist, though)
6) The Head Beagle (Snoopy was the Head Beagle for a short time, though)
7) World War II (the cat next door to Snoopy)
8) The Little Red-Haired Girl
9) The Red Baron
10) Charlie Brown's Pencil Pal (originally his Pen Pal)
11) Thompson (as in "Thompson's in trouble")
12) Craig Bowerman (Violet's Valentine's Day card labelled "C.B." was for him)
OTHER CHARACTERS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SEEN AND WHOSE NAMES ESCAPE ME:
-the other birds (at least one is missing)
-the campers who called Charlie Brown "Sack"
-the campers who made fun of Charlie Brown's baseball-playing ability
(the campers probably didn't have names, though)
-the other teachers aside from Miss Othmar (definitely other ones)
-the umpire for the baseball games (definitely had a name)
-the guy at camp who liked Marcie
-the incredibly tiny kids that Charlie Brown coaches after he runs
away from home
-the girl who likes Charlie Brown (very recent). Perhaps this is Peggy Jean.
ETCETERA:
-According to "It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown", the Little Red-Haired
Girl is named "Heather".
-Daisy Hill Puppy Farm (there is a six-story parking garage there now)
ANY ADDITIONS/CORRECTIONS E-MAIL TO PETER DUTTON (padu...@wpi.wpi.edu)
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From an...@world.std.com Tue Oct 6 03:19:05 1992 (Andy G Ihnatko)
Possibly include Bill Mauldin, the WWII cartoonist with whom Snoopy quaffs root
beer every Veterans' Day?
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From blof...@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Tue Oct 6 09:23:04 1992
(Brent M. Lofgren)
The birds are Woodstock (of course), Conrad, Bill, and Olivier (I'm
pretty sure it's as in Laurence).
I think the guy from camp who likes Marcie that you were referring to is
named Cormac. He appeared in yesterday's strip.
I was glad to see that you had included Roy. I played Roy in a high
school production of "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown", and I had never
heard of him. It was just a chorus part, but I had a name, anyway.
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From pa...@syrinx.umd.edu Tue Oct 6 09:55:05 1992 (Lisa Wolfisch Nyman)
In article <1aqngt...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> you write:
>-the other birds (at least one is missing)
olivier
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From be...@cs.tamu.edu Tue Oct 6 15:17:53 1992 (Will Bell)
The other bird was named Olivier. I'll send some more as I remember them.
All my CB books are at home 3 hrs away!
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Thanks to all who wrote in.
The list is still incomplete. Try to round up your Peanuts books so we
can all have the list to end all lists!
EMAIL ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS, ETC. TO padu...@wpi.wpi.edu
A greatly-expanded Version 1.1 to follow...
Peter!
This WON'T become a daily update. I just added alot more from what I've read
and I want to stop the repeat letters! Anyway, mail me (Peter Dutton)
with any additions/corrections/help.
Contributors: Charles M. Schulz (of course)
Greg Barnes (gr...@cs.washington.edu)
Anthony Olejnik (to...@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu)
Peter Dutton (padu...@wpi.wpi.edu)
Other contributors to Version 1.1:
Andy G. Ihnatko (an...@world.std.com)
Brent M. Lofgren (blof...@phoenix.Princeton.EDU)
Lisa Nyman (pa...@sytinx.umd.edu)
Will Bell (be...@cs.tamu.edu)
MAJOR CHARACTERS:
1) Charlie Brown
2) Sally Brown
3) Linus Van Pelt
4) Lucy Van Pelt
5) Snoopy
6) Spike (Snoopy's brother - he's been carrying alot of strips lately)
7) Woodstock
8) Peppermint Patty (Patricia Reichardt)
9) Marcie
10) Schroeder (the sixth character introduced)
11) Shermy (one of the original four characters)
12) Patty (one of the original four characters)
13) Violet (the fifth character introduced)
SOMEWHAT MAJOR CHARACTERS:
1) Freida
2) Franklin
3) Rerun Van Pelt
4) Pig Pen
5) Roy
6) Conrad (one of the other birds)
7) Harriet (yet another bird - got married to one of the other birds)
8) Bill (yet another bird)
9) Olivier (yet ANOTHER bird)
10) The dreaded Kite-Eating Tree (pretty recurrent, I think)
MINOR OR ONE-SHOT CHARACTERS:
1) Lila (Snoopy's original owner)
2) 5 (short for 555 95472 - he has two sisters named "3" and "4")
3) Poochie (blond-haired girl who first called Charlie Brown "Charlie Brown")
4) Peggy Jean (??? - someone on the net mentioned her)
5) ??????? (Snoopy's grandfather)
6) Marbles (One of Snoopy's other brothers)
7) Belle (Snoopy's sister)
8) Belle's son (I don't think he was named)
9) The "shut up and leave me alone" kid (one of CB's tentmates)
10) Molly Volley (Snoopy's doubles partner)
11) Jose Peterson (player on other baseball team)
12) Clara (see Sophie)
13) Sophie (both counseled by Peppermint Patty at camp)
14) Faron (Freida's cat)
15) Truffles (Linus likes her, but only Snoopy knows how to get to her place)
16) Crybaby Boobie (see Bad Call Benny)
17) Bad Call Benny (Molly Volley and Snoopy's doubles opponents)
18) Thibault (sexist baseball player on PP's team; has sideburns)
19) Tapioca Pudding (her father is in licensing)
20) Eudora
21) Cormac (the guy at camp who liked Marcie)
22) Snoopy's almost-bride (what was her name? Genevieve?)
23) the campers who called Charlie Brown "Sack"
24) the campers who made fun of Charlie Brown's baseball-playing ability
OTHER NAMED OR MENTIONED CHARACTERS THAT WERE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN:
1) Charlie Brown's Dad (a barber) (and of course, all the other parents)
2) Miss Othmar (Linus's favorite school teacher - became Mrs. Hagermeyer)
3) Helen Sweetstory (writes the "bunny wunny" books that Snoopy likes)
4) Joe Shlabotnik (Charlie Brown's favorite baseball player)
5) The Great Pumpkin (he or she may not exist, though)
6) The Head Beagle (Snoopy was the Head Beagle for a short time, though)
7) World War II (the cat next door to Snoopy)
8) The Little Red-Haired Girl
9) The Red Baron
10) Charlie Brown's Pencil Pal (originally his Pen Pal)
11) Thompson (as in "Thompson is in trouble")
12) Craig Bowerman (Violet's Valentine's Day card labelled "C.B." was for him)
13) Bill Maudlin (WWII cartoonist that Snp. quaffs root beers with on Vets Day)
14) Charlie Brown's pediatrician
15) Charlie Brown's Aunt Marian
16) School librarian, principal, psychologist, and other teachers
17) Linus's blanket-hating grandmother (and all the other grandparents)
18) Various waitresses that Snoopy meets in his "French cafe"
19) Snoopy's Christmas Card list - Millie, The O'Haras, Tina, Janet, Kim,
Poochie (see above, though), Randi, Norma, Amy
20) The women Snoopy gets Valentine's Day cards from (don't have the list now)
REAL LIVE PEOPLE MENTIONED IN THE STRIP (I know there's LOTS more):
-Bill Maudlin (see above) -Dr. Spock (the baby doctor)
-Rachel Carson -Santa Claus :-)
-MUSICIANS: Beethoven, Brahms, Mendelsohnn, Bach, Schubert, Tschaikovsky,
Haydn, Bartok
-Charles M. Schulz (not by name, but he was the Grand Marshall of the Rose
Bowl Parade. Lucy told Linus that he would have never heard of him)
-ARTISTS: Van Gogh, Andrew Wyeth (both from Snoopy's art collection)
-Lots of Biblical characters and references
-Genghis Khan, Nebuchadnezzar (in reference to Pig Pen's dirt)
-Edgar Allen Poe ("The Pit and the Pendulum")
-BASEBALL: Babe Ruth, Willie Mays
-OTHER SPORTS: Minnesota Fats, Sam Snead, Patty Berg, Billie Jean King
-George Washington
OTHER CHARACTERS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SEEN AND WHOSE NAMES ESCAPE ME:
-the other teachers aside from Miss Othmar (definitely other ones)
-the umpire for the baseball games (definitely had a name)
-the incredibly tiny kids that Charlie Brown coaches after he runs
away from home
-the girl who likes Charlie Brown (very recent). Perhaps this is Peggy Jean.
ETCETERA:
-The first "Peanuts" strip was on October 2, 1950, about the same time that
"Beetle Bailey" premiered. The first three characters were Charlie
Brown, Shermy, and Patty. Snoopy appeared soon after, then Violet,
then Schroeder.
-According to "It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown", the Little Red-Haired
Girl is named "Heather".
-Snoopy was born at the Daisy Hill Puppy Farm (there is a six-story parking
garage there now)
-At the time of Sally's birth, Snoopy mentions that he never knew what it
was like to have a younger sister - he was an "only dog". But later
it is revealed that he was "one of eight Beagles", and we even get
to meet some of them.
-When Schroeder was introduced, he was just a little baby. Same with Linus,
however, all their ages have kind of blurred together.
-Linus is five years older than Sally - this was mentioned in a few places.
When she is born in 1959, he wonders if she'll go out with him when
she is 17 and he is 22. Little did he know she didn't want to wait
that long...
Jeff
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Jeff Sensabaugh : "Dinosaurs were the most American of animals. They ruled
: the earth in a free-market ecology and they didn't take
: flak from anyone." - The New Roadside America
What is the story behind this? Charlie Brown was always addressed by everyone
as "Charlie Brown" when I read the strip regularly (1965 - 1972). Does this
mean that this character appeared in the very early strips? Or is this some
kind of bizarre retcon ...
William D.B. Loos
lo...@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu
It was a series of Sunday strips probably in the 60's. Apparently, she was
an old friend of CB's who moved out of the neighborhood. She was never in
the strip before then, as far as I know.
Snoopy was angry at her because when he was a little pup, she told him to
fetch a stick and when he came back with it, she was walking off with a
St. Bernard. He was telling this story in flashback to Charile Brown (I
don't have any idea how he was able to do this, but he did)
In any case, when Poochie comes to visit, she and CB are talking - CB has
one seemingly throwaway line in a panel - to wit: "You were the first one
who called me 'Charlie Brown'"
Kind of random. But I guess it was sort of an explanation of why everyone
refers to him by both first and last names (except for Peppermint Patty
("Chuck") and Marcie ("Charles"))
Peter!
[My comments in brackets - Peter]
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From dx...@slc12.INS.CWRU.Edu Tue Oct 6 17:15:01 1992 (Douglas Fowler)
Hank Aaron was also mentioned as a baseball personality - Snoopy
was chasing Babe Ruth's homer record at the same time Aaron was. Also,
though he is not named, the commisioner of baseball (I think) forced Charlie
Brown's team to forfeit a game because of gambling. (Rerun bet Snoopy a
quarter.)
Schroeder started playing the piano at about 3, though the exact
age isn't given. He seems to be a bit older than Linus, though not much,
when Lucy tells him in one strip he promised to go over and play for "my
little brother" during naptime. (This is from the mid or late '50s, so
it had to be Linus. No, I don't have that good a memory, I saw that when
I was going through some of my old books as we were cleaning out our attic.)
Snoopy's doghouse caught on fire, I believe, because he was smoking
in bed.
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From st...@cs.uiuc.edu Tue Oct 6 17:46:35 1992 (Dale Stephenson)
In rec.arts.comics.strips you write:
[snip]
>-BASEBALL: Babe Ruth, Willie Mays
Other baseball mentions:
Hank Aaron (when Snoopy was going to break Ruth's HR record, Charlie said
"I thought Hank Aaron was going to do that.)
Joe Garagiola (PP tells Marcie she could have been "traded for Joe Garagiola."
Willie McCovey (I'm not sure on this one -- When the Giants lost the '62 (?)
series to the Yankees, ended by a McCovey liner snared by a Yankees infielder
in game 7, a strip showed Charlie and Schroeder sitting despondently on the
curb for three frames, until Charlie rises to his feet and cries "Why couldn't
McCovey hit the ball even *two* feet higher.)
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From glo...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Tue Oct 6 18:42:37 1992 (Gordon Locke)
[...]
If you have any information regarding the strip, or if
there's an e-mailing list, or if there are any compilations coming out
or what-not, please mail me, as I find terribly little discussion re:
Peanuts on the r.a.comics.strips group.
[Anybody know of any new compilations?]
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From hell...@stolaf.edu Tue Oct 6 18:49:08 1992 (Jeffrey N Hellmers)
Hi! This is a great list. I have a general question about PEANUTS. I have
always been a huge fan of PEANUTS, but I always checked books out from the
library instead of buying them. Now I would like to purchase some books. Are
there any that you would recommend so that I can get a large portion of the
PEANUTS comic strips in existence? Have you heard if it is possible to buy
the complete PEANUTS collection?
Thanks for your help.
[Again - looks like people want this information!]
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From dzu...@oldfield.CS.ColoState.EDU Tue Oct 6 20:27:44 1992 (Zube)
The Great Pumpkin really does exist, according to Linus. One time he was
trying to convince CB and said "In 195_, the Great Pumpkin appeared in <blank>
If you don't believe me look it up." He then gives another reference of the
same format.
A semi-live person mentioned in the strip was Roy Hobbs. Lucy said that
CB didn't need him on the team, even if he was a "Natural"
A great many athletes were mentioned when CB, Snoopy and Linus went to the
Sports Banquet and Joe Shlabotnik never showed up.
Snoopy mentions Olga Korbet as teaching him his gymnastic moves.
one of the tiny kids was Milo.
Peanuts was actually called "Lil Folks" in previous incarnations. Most
characters resembled Patty and Shermy, but there was also a dog which looked
very much like an early Snoopy.
Belle's son is refered to by Snoopy as looking like "the Pink Panther."
After Snoopy gave up his Bunny Wunny books (he found out that she has 22 pet
cats) he said "back to Herman Hesse."
Ages: CB once mentioned to the nurse at the emergency room that he was
eight and a half.
More as I think of them,
Zube
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From bl...@medici.ils.nwu.edu Tue Oct 6 21:25:40 1992 (Daniel Blum)
The guy who liked Marcie was not Cormac - I don't remember his name,
but it wasn't that, and they don't look alike.
[OK - someone says it was, someone says it wasn't. Now who's right?]
Aunt Marian was Lucy's aunt (and, of course, Linus' and Rerun's as
well), not Charlie Brown's.
[Acutally, both CB and Lucy mention an Aunt Marian at some point. Pehaps
Schulz was running out of names? Could be - there are two characters named
"Patty"]
"Never marry a musician."
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From dhe...@plains.NoDak.edu Tue Oct 6 22:06:44 1992 (David Henry)
>10) The dreaded Kite-Eating Tree (pretty recurrent, I think)
If you're going to include the Kite-Eating Tree, why not add Linus' blanket.
Heck, remember the time it took over the van Pelt's house and chased Lucy
out into the rain?
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From kl...@forest.egr.msu.edu Tue Oct 6 23:02:52 1992 (Jeff Klein)
Peggy Jean is indeed the girl CB met a camp last year - she calls
him "Brownie Charles".
A minor character is Olaf, Snoopy's brother. He's fat.
Bill Mauldin is spelt Bill Mauldin, I believe.
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From Thomas_...@SEGNO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed Oct 7 00:30:35 1992
Truly trivial (from a rec.games.trivia lurker):
>REAL LIVE PEOPLE MENTIONED IN THE STRIP (I know there's LOTS more):
>-MUSICIANS: Beethoven, Brahms, Mendelsohnn, Bach, Schubert, Tschaikovsky,
> Haydn, Bartok
Add "Handel" to the musicians (wc? "composers"?), as in (if I remember
an *old* strip): Charlie Brown is showing Shroeder a comic strip he has
drawn -- first musician: "Can you play 'Messiah'?" second musician: "Oh,
I think I can HANDEL it". CB thinks this is wildly funny, but S is not
impressed (don't remember if a reason was given, nor the puncline of
the (Peanuts) strip).
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From pas...@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU Wed Oct 7 02:45:03 1992 (Montykins)
>OTHER NAMED OR MENTIONED CHARACTERS THAT WERE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN:
>
>4) Joe Shlabotnik (Charlie Brown's favorite baseball player)
We see his hand, though, when he tosses Charlie Brown the
autographed ball (after he got fired as manager for calling a
squeeze play with no one on)
>7) World War II (the cat next door to Snoopy)
Likewise, we see the claw frequently. ("That's no kitten, it's a
thousand pound gully cat!")
>17) Linus's blanket-hating grandmother (and all the other grandparents)
Actually, at one point, we _do_ see dialog from Linus's grandmother.
Linus tells Lucy he can predict what any adult will say in any
situation, so they each draw a picture, and grandmother says "Why, I
think they're both very nice, dear."
The voice balloon is right there in the strip. As far as I know,
it's the only adult dialog (unless Snoopy is adult). Even more rare
than Pigpen being clean! (Which has happened at _least_ four times)
[Linus and Lucy's mother also "appears" via word balloon a few times]
>-BASEBALL: Babe Ruth, Willie Mays
Willie McCovey ("Or why couldn't McCovey have it the ball just TWO
FEET higher?"), and of COURSE, Joe Garagiola. ("It could've been
worse. I could've traded you for Joe Garagiola.")
>-At the time of Sally's birth, Snoopy mentions that he never knew what it
> was like to have a younger sister - he was an "only dog". But later
> it is revealed that he was "one of eight Beagles", and we even get
> to meet some of them.
Now that I think about it, doesn't Snoopy list a whole bunch of
relatives? When he's organizing a family reunion? ("Thomas Wolfe was
right. You can't go home again.")
>-When Schroeder was introduced, he was just a little baby. Same with Linus,
> however, all their ages have kind of blurred together.
And Charlie Brown taught him to play the piano, too. Really!
-Paul "Monty" Ashley
(Peanuts trivia, you say? Bah ha ha!)
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From cr...@camelot.bradley.edu Wed Oct 7 02:55:12 1992 (Nicole Lenard)
>7) Harriet (yet another bird - got married to one of the other birds)
>8) Bill (yet another bird)
Harriet and Bill are married. They got married when Snoopy took
the birds on a "photo hike" to take pictures of nature.
As it turns out, all the film was used for the wedding pictures :)
--Nic (yet another Schultz fan) ;-)
[That's Schulz :-)
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From blof...@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Wed Oct 7 10:20:17 1992 (Brent M. Lofgren)
I have a couple of more things to add. Maybe you will need a daily
update. :-)
On a salute to Joe Garagiola on the Today Show, maybe a year ago, they
showed a Peanuts strip where he was mentioned.
It's Bill Mauldin, not "Maudlin".
And finally, one character who was at least mentioned, and I think we
saw him, was Harold Angel. Sally kept saying that he was in a Christmas
play with her and would be coming over, and Charlie Brown didn't believe
that there was such a person, but sure enough, he came to their house.
[As in "Hark, the Harold Angel sings"?]
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Am I missing something?
Thanks,
Chet
[Here are alot more replies. Again - my comments in brackets. This is
getting too big to send a personal note to everyone right now - sorry
about that. Maybe if I didn't have work to do! Keep sending in
additions anyway! - padu...@wpi.wpi.edu]
[By the way - I did remember some of this stuff before it was sent to me,
but to be fair, I'll give credit anyway...]
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From 6500topo%ucs...@hub.ucsb.edu Wed Oct 7 13:12:20 1992 (Rabid Rat)
What about the new kid in class (I think his name is Corman) that
just in this days is after Sally (still in love with her "sweet babboon")???
PAolo
[It's Cormac, and "sweet babboo"]
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From pk...@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Oct 7 14:29:35 1992 (Peter Kwangjun Suk)
Under references to real people, BASEBALL, you forgot Casey Stengel.
From an early thread about Charlie Brown being a baseball manager. There is
one strip where he kicks a pile of hats, and they all land on his head, and he
says, "I bet even Casey Stengel couldn't do that!"
[Thread? You've been reading too much netnews!]
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From gri...@cbnewsi.att.com Wed Oct 7 14:29:45 1992 (Mike Procopio)
>The guy who liked Marcie was not Cormac - I don't remember his name,
>but it wasn't that, and they don't look alike.
>
>[OK - someone says it was, someone says it wasn't. Now who's right?]
A little bit about Cormac ... this is from 7/22/92 ... I have it hanging up
at work:
(Panel 1) CORMAC: I think you're very beautiful, Miss Marcie.
When you grow up you should be a model.
(Panel 2) MARCIE: Thank you, Cormac. What are you going to be
when you grow up?
(Panel 3) CORMAC: Smooth!
I don't know if he necessarily "likes" Marcie, though. He now sits behind
Sally in class.
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From James.L...@Eng.Sun.COM Wed Oct 7 15:11:54 1992 (James Langdell)
The only two times I recall any physical presence of an
adult being on panel in Peanuts are...
--An early Sunday strip where Linus has told Charlie Brown about the
delights of his blanket. The last panel shows Charlie Brown at a store
counter (at least one hand of the clerk is visible) as he says "One yard
of blue outing flannel and don't laugh."
[I think it was Lucy explaining her baby brother's blanket to CB]
--Wasn't Mrs. Van Pelt's back visible when Rerun was being carried in a
backsack while she rode her bicycle?
[I think so]
Apart from these incidents, the on-panel world of Peanuts
is entirely children and animals (and whatever Snoopy is really).
[Snoopy is a BEAGLE - don't you pay attention? :-)
One bizarre on-panel appearance of a known figure was during a series when
Charlie Brown kept seeing a baseball in the sky in place of the sun. One
morning he wakes up, feeling he is back to normal, and then sees the sun
with Alfred E. Newman's grinning face. ***I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP!!!!***
[I remember this - this was after he went to camp with a sack over his head]
Another composer mentioned in the strip is Sinding, as named by a radio
announcer at the end of a piece of his chamber music-- surprisingly not the
one piece by which Sinding is usually known, "Rustle of Spring." (That
piano piece is the music played for the "Three Grecian urns and a fountain"
scene in "The Music Man.") That's the most esoteric music reference
I recall appearing in Peanuts.
[Well, what about "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window"?]
I bet many, many more sports figures have been mentioned in strips when
Snoopy exercises his prowess in each sport. Given Schultz's personal
involvement in ice skating, I'm sure many in that sport have been honored
in Peanuts.
[I think that Snoopy mentioned Bobby Orr and some famous player named
"Maurice" after slapshotting the hell out of Charlie Brown. I'm not
sure, though. And he talked about skating with Peggy Fleming and Olga
Korbut, among others. See below]
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From Thomas_...@SEGNO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU Wed Oct 7 16:32:52 1992
Didn't Snoopy talk about (ice) skating with Peggy Fleming...?
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From bl...@medici.ils.nwu.edu Wed Oct 7 17:02:16 1992 (Daniel Blum)
About Aunt Marian - OK, but you didn't have the other one listed.
[I was going to put it in the next incarnation of the list! It came to me
shortly after I posted the last one! Really!]
There was a third girl whom PP counseled at camp, but I have no idea
what her name was.
[Neither do I]
Within the past year or so, there was a girl with dark hair who sat
either behind or in front of Linus in class - I don't remember her
name.
[I think this is Eudora]
When CB goes to see the Waffletown Syrups play, there are three
speaking characters not listed: the kid who sits next to him, the
batboy, and the girl (?) who takes his autograhped baseball.
[The WAFFLETOWN SYRUPS? Now THAT'S trivia!]
There are probably a bunch of unnamed kids who appear in one or two
strips each - for example, in the strip where Linus goes to another
neighborhood to preach about the Great Pumpkin, there are a couple of
kids whom we never see again.
Other animals who appear - Frieda's cat and miscellaneous bunnies.
[As well as various worms who mugged Woodstock when he and Snoopy went
fishing]
[And to add to the list of inanimate objects that can move under their
own volition - Sally's beach ball: "You have to know how to talk to them"
(she wasn't nearly as sucessful with her balloon), and CB's kite.
Schroeder's pianos are frequently the targets of Lucy's jealous attacks,
as well]
>In any case, when Poochie comes to visit, she and CB are talking - CB has
>one seemingly throwaway line in a panel - to wit: "You were the first one
>who called me 'Charlie Brown'"
>Kind of random. But I guess it was sort of an explanation of why everyone
>refers to him by both first and last names (except for Peppermint Patty
>("Chuck") and Marcie ("Charles"))
And except for Snoopy ("The round-headed kid").
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (st...@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic
"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not
overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
And Woodstock ("|||||").
Well, actually, I'm not absolutely positive Woodstock ever refers to
Charlie Brown, but if he _did_ . . .
-Paul "Monty" Ashley
(Well, _that_ was certainly a good use of bandwidth!)
--
"Am I a drunken loon? Whoo! Whoo!" | pas...@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
-- David Letterman | [Not a UCSD employee]
- Gord, a.k.a. glo...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Has anyone mentioned "5"? There was a kid with a crew-cut whose name was
actually 5. Actually "5" was short for a much longer number, resembling a
telephone number. I don't remember it. 5 has had a lot appearances; he's
a common extra, even today.
I remember when 5 was introduced, he explained that his dad had named him
and the whole family with numbers, to protest the rat race. No, wait ...
Cahrlie Brown presumed, "To protest?" and 5 replied, "No, this is his way
of giving up."
Is anyone willing to compile a list of all the books? It would mean
keeping two separate lists: a list of small paperbacks, which were always
"Selected cartoons from `Something' Vol I (or II)", and a list of those
larger books, from which the "selected cartoons" were taken. An exmaple:
I have a paperback called "It's Show Time, Snoopy" which pictures Snoopy
and his hand puppets on his roof. The cartoons are selected from "Speak
Softly and Carry a Beagle Vol II"; I also own the original hardback
"Speak Softly and Carry a Beagle". Or is there already someone on
rec.arts.books with such a list?
VGR
"The size of the brain is no measure of its capacity." - Mr. Jonathan Frisby
> Is anyone willing to compile a list of all the books? It would mean
>keeping two separate lists: a list of small paperbacks, which were always
>"Selected cartoons from `Something' Vol I (or II)", and a list of those
>larger books, from which the "selected cartoons" were taken. An exmaple:
There is an exhaustive bibliography in Charles Schulz's autobiography
"Peanuts Jubilee". However that book was published a long time ago, I
think around 1975 or 1976. So the bib would be incomplete today, natch.
WBB
--
Will Bell -- be...@cs.tamu.edu -- Live from the heart of Scenic Central Texas
"I prefer to have life filtered through television."
Not to throw a monkey wrench into all of this, but don't forget the
comic books published in the late Sixties.
By the way, post any questions you may have on who some characters are, etc.,
but send me any corrections or additions!
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Initiators: Charles M. Schulz (of course)
Greg Barnes (gr...@cs.washington.edu)
Anthony Olejnik (to...@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu)
Peter Dutton (padu...@wpi.wpi.edu)
Other contributors to Version 1.1:
Andy G. Ihnatko (an...@world.std.com)
Brent M. Lofgren (blof...@phoenix.Princeton.EDU)
Lisa Nyman (pa...@sytinx.umd.edu)
Will Bell (be...@cs.tamu.edu)
Other contributors to Version 1.2 (hope I didn't forget anyone):
Chris Page (pa...@student.physics.upenn.edu) [A MAJOR help]
Paul "Monty" Ashley (pas...@sdcc13.ucsd.edu)
Jean-Marc Rocher (roc...@husc.harvard.edu)
Mike Procopio (proc...@attmail.att.com)
Glenn Krell (g...@ITSA.UCSF.EDU)
James Davies (jr...@craycos.com)
Lawrence Kaminsky (kam...@rpi.edu)
Peter Kwangjun Suk (pk...@mailbox.syr.edu)
James Langdell (James.L...@Eng.Sun.COM)
Daniel Blum (bl...@medici.ils.nwu.edu)
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MAJOR CHARACTERS:
1) Charlie Brown
2) Sally Brown
3) Linus Van Pelt
4) Lucy Van Pelt
5) Snoopy
6) Spike (Snoopy's brother - he's been carrying alot of strips lately)
7) Woodstock
8) Peppermint Patty (Patricia Reichardt)
9) Marcie
10) Schroeder (the sixth character introduced)
11) Shermy (one of the original four characters)
12) Patty (one of the original four characters)
13) Violet (the fifth character introduced)
SOMEWHAT MAJOR CHARACTERS:
1) Freida
2) Franklin
3) Rerun Van Pelt
4) Pig Pen
5) Roy
6) 5 (short for 555 95472 - he has two sisters named "3" and "4")
7) Eudora
8) Conrad (one of the other birds)
9) Harriet (yet another bird - got married to Bill)
10) Bill (yet another bird)
11) Olivier (yet ANOTHER bird)
NAMED MINOR OR ONE-SHOT CHARACTERS:
1) Lila (Snoopy's original owner)
2) Poochie (blond-haired girl who first called Charlie Brown "Charlie Brown")
3) Peggy Jean (the girl who likes "Brownie Charles")
4) Snoopy's grandfather - did he have a name? I don't remember this one
5) Marbles (One of Snoopy's other brothers)
6) Olaf (Snoopy's fat ugly brother)
7) Belle (Snoopy's sister)
8) Molly Volley (Snoopy's doubles partner)
9) Jose Peterson (player on other baseball team)
10) Clara (who did NOT become Marcie), Sophie, and Shirley (counseled by
Peppermint Patty at camp)
11) The "Goose Eggs" (the team CB coached when he ran away) - Ruby, Austin,
Leland, Milo
12) Faron (Freida's cat)
13) Truffles (Linus likes her, but only Snoopy knows how to get to her place)
14) Crybaby Boobie (see Bad Call Benny)
15) Bad Call Benny (Molly Volley and Snoopy's doubles opponents)
16) Thibault (sexist baseball player on PP's team; has sideburns)
17) Tapioca Pudding (her father is in licensing)
18) Harold Angel
19) Cormac (the guy at camp who liked Marcie and sits behind Sally in class)
20) Floyd (the guy who bugged Marcie at camp, calling her "Lambcake")
21) Randolph - the guy who came to Linus with a blanket over his head. He
was actually Sally, though.
22) Snoopy's almost-bride (Genevieve was her name in the TV show, and she
was shown there)
23) Alfred E. Newman (yes, the character from "Mad")
24) Loretta (the girl who sells girl-scout cookies)
25) Joe Richkid (played golf with PP and Snoopy (as the Masked Marvel))
"INANIMATE" CHARCATERS THAT HAVE THOUGHT, MOVED UNDER THEIR OWN VOLITION, OR
HAVE BEEN INTEGRAL TO THE STRIP.
1) The dreaded Kite-Eating Tree
2) Charlie Brown's kite
3) Linus's blanket
4) The school building
5) Schroeder's piano (the object of Lucy's jealousy)
6) MINOR - pitcher's mound, CB's glove, the garage (Snoopy's original mixed-
double's partner), Sally's beachball
UNNAMED MINOR OR ONE-SHOT CHARACTERS THAT ACTUALLY WERE SHOWN
1) Belle's son (reminds Snoopy of Pink Panther)
2) The "shut up and leave me alone" kid (one of CB's tentmates)
3) The campers who called Charlie Brown "Sack"
4) The campers who made fun of Charlie Brown's baseball-playing ability
5) The girl who found Snoopy once and tied him up with a BIG rope
6) The playground bully who threatened Sally
7) The kids that Sally retaliates against by carrying Snoopy as protection
8) The kid that beats her up when Snoopy runs away
9) The worms who mugged Woodstock when he and Snoopy went fishing
10) The "aren't you kind of old for me" girl
11) The kids who sit next to CB when he watched the Waffletown Syrups play.
12) Miscellaneous bunnies
OTHER NAMED OR MENTIONED CHARACTERS THAT WERE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN:
1) Charlie Brown's Dad (a barber) (and of course, all the other parents)
2) Miss Othmar (Linus's favorite school teacher - became Mrs. Hagermeyer)
3) Helen Sweetstory (writes the "bunny wunny" books that Snoopy likes)
4) Joe Shlabotnik (Charlie Brown's favorite baseball player)
5) The Great Pumpkin (he or she may not exist, though)
6) The Head Beagle (Snoopy was the Head Beagle for a short time, though)
7) World War II (the cat next door to Snoopy)
8) The Little Red-Haired Girl
9) The Red Baron
10) Charlie Brown's Pencil Pal (originally his Pen Pal)
11) Thompson (as in "Thompson is in trouble")
12) Craig Bowerman (Violet's Valentine's Day card labelled "C.B." was for him)
13) Bill Mauldin (WWII cartoonist that Snp. quaffs root beers with on Vets Day)
14) Charlie Brown's pediatrician
15) Aunt Marian (Charlie Brown, Violet, and Lucy all have one. Lucy also
has an "Aunt Marion")
16) School librarian, principal, psychologist, etc.
17) Other teachers: Mrs. Donovan (CB's after the spelling bee), Miss Swanson
(one of Patty's), Miss Tenure (one of Patty's)
18) Mr. Martin, the umpire
19) Mrs. Nelson and Mrs. Bartley (Marcie and PP caddied for them)
20) As a world-famous checkout clerk, Snoopy talks to Mrs. Bartley, Mrs.
Lockhart, Mrs. Mendleson, Mrs. Albo, and Fred
21) Linus's blanket-hating grandmother (and all the other grandparents)
22) Joe Mouth (a radio talk-show host that PP called)
23) Linus's and Sally's opthamologists and optometrists
24) John Doe and Richard Roe
25) Various waitresses that Snoopy meets in his "French cafe"
26) Snoopy's Christmas Card list - Millie, The O'Haras, Tina, Janet, Kim,
Poochie (see above, though), Randi, Norma, Amy
27) The women Snoopy gets Valentine's Day cards from: Joyce, Peggy, Zelma,
Janell, Boots, Pat, Sydney, Winnie, Jean, Rosemary, Courtney,
Fern, Meredith, Amy, Jill, Betty, Marge, Kay, Frieda, Annabelle,
Sue, Eva, Judy, Ruth, Barbara, Helen, Ann, Jane, Dorothy, June,
Margaret, Clara, Virginia, Ruby, Jo, Cecille, Julie, Hedy, Marie,
Kathleen, Maggie, Diane, Vivian, Charlotte, Tekla, Lillian, Edna,
Naomi, Fran, Connie, Chiyo, Marylin, Aileen, Shirley (but not Lila!)
REAL LIVE PEOPLE MENTIONED IN THE STRIP:
-Bill Maudlin (see above) -Dr. Spock (the baby doctor)
-Rachel Carson -Santa Claus :-)
-MUSICIANS: Beethoven, Tschaikovsky, Bartok, Chopin, Bach, Mozart, Bloch,
Bartok, Berlioz, Bizet, Brahms, Delius, Debussy, Dvorak, Elgar,
Franck, Glinka, Grieg, Handel, Haydn, Humperdinck, Liszt, Mahler,
Mendelssohn, Ravel, Rachmaninoff, Schubert, Sibelius, Sinding,
Tschaikowsky [sic], Vivaldi, Irving Berlin
-Charles M. Schulz (not by name, but he was the Grand Marshall of the Rose
Bowl Parade. Lucy told Linus that he would have never heard of him)
-ARTISTS: Van Gogh, Andrew Wyeth (both from Snoopy's art collection)
-Lots of Biblical characters and references
-Genghis Khan, Nebuchadnezzar (in reference to Pig Pen's dirt)
-AUTHORS: Edgar Allen Poe ("The Pit and the Pendulum"), Thomas Wolfe
-BASEBALL: Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Willie McCovey (Charlie
Brown and Linus were SF Giants fans!), Joe Garagiola, Casey Stengel
-GOLF: Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, Patty Berg
-OTHER SPORTS: Minnesota Fats, Billie Jean King, Bobby Orr, Olga Korbut,
Peggy Fleming, Sonja Henie, Bobby Hull, Pancho Gonzales,
-WHO?: Liv Ullman, Fred Glover, Carol Mann
-PRESIDENTS: George Washington, Abraham Lincoln
AGES:
-When Schroeder was introduced, he was just a little baby. Same with Linus,
however, all their ages have kind of blurred together.
-Linus is five years older than Sally - this was mentioned in a few places.
When she is born in 1959, he wonders if she'll go out with him when
she is 17 and he is 22. Little did he know she didn't want to wait
that long. He later gives as a reason why he could never marry her
(after she begins chasing him) the fact that when he is ninety-five,
she'll only be NINETY!
-Lucy at some point says that she wants the world fixed up by the time she
is eighteen, or ELSE. That gave the world twelve years - meaning
she was six at that time.
-Charlie Brown says he is eight-and-a-half when he checks into the Ace
Memorial Hospital. However, from above, Charile Brown is at least
five years older than Sally. That would make her three at the most,
which of course, can't be.
-In the early strips, Patty, Violet, Charlie Brown were all in kindergarten,
Shermy was in first grade, Lucy was in nursery school. So they've
aged a little bit. Which is fine. But it seems that they've been
aging at different rates!
ETCETERA:
-The forerunner to "Peanuts" was Schulz's comic "Li'l Folks" with many
familiar characters...
-The first "Peanuts" strip was on October 2, 1950, about the same time that
"Beetle Bailey" premiered. The first three characters were Charlie
Brown, Shermy, and Patty. Snoopy appeared soon after, then Violet,
then Schroeder.
-According to "It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown", the Little Red-Haired
Girl is named "Heather". But she was never named in the strip.
-Snoopy was born at the Daisy Hill Puppy Farm (there is a six-story parking
garage there now)
-At the time of Sally's birth, Snoopy mentions that he never knew what it
was like to have a younger sister - he was an "only dog". But later
it is revealed that he was "one of eight Beagles", and we even get
to meet some of them. At some point before that, he says he was
one of SEVEN puppies. And after his family reunion in the 60's, he
said he was disappointed that none of them spoke the same language
nor had anything in common! Now THIS is an inconsistency!
I was wondering this myself and in early 1980 I called Schulz's office (in
Santa Barbara) and asked them this very question. (I talked to a very nice
lady, who was clearly use to exactly this sort of thing. ;) ;)
I was told that, so far as they were aware, there were no plans to print
the "Complete Works". I was a little surprised by this; this was just
before the 40th anniversary and this seemed like the obvious sort of
commemoration. Oh well, maybe on Charlie Brown's 50th birthday...
As they pointed out, this comes out to something like 15K+ strips! On the
other hand, I can't believe I'm the only person who'd probably shell out
for a collection that was both complete and in good shape.
Anyway, they did send me what they said was a complete bibliography (but it
was less complete than some of the lists that I've seen floating around
these .nets).
N
As a mass market thing, it probably would not sell very well. Calvin
and Hobbes sells well, yet there aren't many hardcovers sold of the treasury
editions. When was the last time you saw Peanuts on the miscelaneous
paperback list?
Lil' Abner and Pogo are being reprinted, but I don't think that there
would be enough interest to warrant a complete Peanuts set. I would buy the
early years, as well as a history volume like Gary Larson's Prehistory of the
Far Side.
Perhaps about ten to twenty years after he dies, there might be enough
interest.
Torsten at Omaha
I wasn't assuming a mass-market set.
=o= I thought he was in a child's seat?
>> Apart from these incidents, the on-panel world of Peanuts
>> is entirely children and animals (and whatever Snoopy is
>> really).
=o= I have a vague recollection of seeing a strip recently in
which an usher's legs are depicted. Scared the Hell outta me.
Of course, it may have been a nightmare.
>> Alfred E. Newman's grinning face.
=o= It's spelled Neuman, by the way.
=o= Somebody else mentioned a possible friendship between Schulz
and _MAD_'s Harvey Kurtzman. I don't know anything about that,
but Kurtzman was long gone when Schulz did the Neuman strip.
=o= Schulz (and other cartoonists) did a one-shot strip for
_MAD_. It involved a leaf falling to the ground, saying "Sigh,"
and a tree saying "Stupid leaf."
<_Jym_>
"If you don't get a good night
kiss, you get Kafka dreams."
-- Hobbes
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Make no mistake about it, this president is in charge.
He is in touch.
-- Vice President George Bush, on Ronald Reagan.
=o= A good chunk of the daily work is being reprinted by Henry
Holt & Co. This is the same stuff we've seen all along (those
of us who've been reading the _Peanuts_ books).
=o= What's really missing are color reproductions of the Sunday
strips. I'm surprised that Kitchen Sink/Remco isn't pursuing
such a project (they've been reprinting various old color strips).
<_Jym_>
"If you don't get a good night
kiss, you get Kafka dreams."
-- Hobbes
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We have to do more than just elect a new president if we truly
want to change this country.
-- Vice President Dan Quayle (in 1992)