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Dan Tilque
Feb 16, 2014, 11:51:57 PM2/16/14
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Welcome to Rotating Quiz 132. This quiz will run 4 days from now until
Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get around to
scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual rules apply.
This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves geography.
For each of the three parts you are to list as many countries that you
can think of that have the characteristics described. The total number
of valid answers for each part is indicated; if you give more answers
than that, the excess will be ignored.
1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
16 total; 1 point each.
2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
7 total; 2 points each.
3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
[1] The borders are actually in the middle of a river, so it's not
technically land.
--
Dan Tilque
Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get around to
scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual rules apply.
This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves geography.
For each of the three parts you are to list as many countries that you
can think of that have the characteristics described. The total number
of valid answers for each part is indicated; if you give more answers
than that, the excess will be ignored.
1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
16 total; 1 point each.
2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
7 total; 2 points each.
3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
[1] The borders are actually in the middle of a river, so it's not
technically land.
--
Dan Tilque
Joshua Kreitzer
Feb 17, 2014, 12:22:35 AM2/17/14
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Dan Tilque <dti...@frontier.com> wrote in news:lds4nd$r4f$1...@dont-email.me:
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Brunei, Canada, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Gambia, Haiti, Ireland,
Lesotho, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, Qatar, San Marino, South Korea, Timor-
Leste, United Kingdom, Vatican City
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
Andorra, Liechtenstein, Moldova, Mongolia
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
Burundi, Luxembourg, Rwanda, Uganda
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
>
> [1] The borders are actually in the middle of a river, so it's not
> technically land.
Angola, Botswana, Namibia, Zambia
--
Joshua Kreitzer
grom...@hotmail.com
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Lesotho, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, Qatar, San Marino, South Korea, Timor-
Leste, United Kingdom, Vatican City
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
>
> [1] The borders are actually in the middle of a river, so it's not
> technically land.
--
Joshua Kreitzer
grom...@hotmail.com
Mark Brader
Feb 17, 2014, 1:32:38 AM2/17/14
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Dan Tilque:
Ireland, Lesotho, Monaco, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, San Marino,
South Korea, UK, Vatican City.
Some would disallow the UK because of the underwater border with France.
Some would add Bahrain, Singapore; Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales;
and/or Cyprus and Northern Cyprus.
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
Andorra, Bhutan, Liechtenstein, Moldova, Mongolia, Nepal, Swaziland.
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
Luxembourg, Paraguay, and I think Burundi and Rwanda.
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
Botswana, Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "I said to myself, 'You're crazier than I am
m...@vex.net | if you believe that.'" --overheard
My text in this article is in the public domain.
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Brunei, Canada, Denmark, Dominican Rep., East Timor, Gambia, Haiti,
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Ireland, Lesotho, Monaco, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, San Marino,
South Korea, UK, Vatican City.
Some would disallow the UK because of the underwater border with France.
Some would add Bahrain, Singapore; Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales;
and/or Cyprus and Northern Cyprus.
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "I said to myself, 'You're crazier than I am
m...@vex.net | if you believe that.'" --overheard
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Mark Brader
Feb 17, 2014, 1:46:29 AM2/17/14
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Dan Tilque:
>> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
>> 16 total; 1 point each.
Mark Brader:
>> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
>> 16 total; 1 point each.
> Brunei, Canada, Denmark, Dominican Rep., East Timor, Gambia, Haiti,
> Ireland, Lesotho, Monaco, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, San Marino,
> South Korea, UK, Vatican City.
Hmm. According to Google Maps, Qatar is a 17th answer. I stopped
> Ireland, Lesotho, Monaco, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, San Marino,
> South Korea, UK, Vatican City.
looking when I had 16. I know the borders in that area have been shown
differently in different sources and I think some sources show or used
to show a Qatar/UAE border. Which one were you not expecting?
> Some would disallow the UK because of the underwater border with France.
tunnels should be taken into account on this sort of question.
--
Mark Brader | "On our campus the UNIX system has proved to be not
Toronto | only an effective software tool, but an agent of
m...@vex.net | technical and social change within the University."
| -- John Lions, 1979
Marc Dashevsky
Feb 17, 2014, 2:21:03 AM2/17/14
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In article <lds4nd$r4f$1...@dont-email.me>, dti...@frontier.com says...
Haiti, Dominican Republic, South Korea, Ireland, Canada
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
Andorra, Mongolia
>
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz 132. This quiz will run 4 days from now until
> Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get around to
> scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual rules apply.
>
> This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves geography.
> For each of the three parts you are to list as many countries that you
> can think of that have the characteristics described. The total number
> of valid answers for each part is indicated; if you give more answers
> than that, the excess will be ignored.
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Monaco, San Marino, Portugal Singapore, Lesotho, Vatican City, Denmark,
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz 132. This quiz will run 4 days from now until
> Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get around to
> scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual rules apply.
>
> This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves geography.
> For each of the three parts you are to list as many countries that you
> can think of that have the characteristics described. The total number
> of valid answers for each part is indicated; if you give more answers
> than that, the excess will be ignored.
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Haiti, Dominican Republic, South Korea, Ireland, Canada
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
Dan Tilque
Feb 17, 2014, 2:50:27 AM2/17/14
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Mark Brader wrote:
> Dan Tilque:
>>> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
>>> 16 total; 1 point each.
>
> Mark Brader:
>> Brunei, Canada, Denmark, Dominican Rep., East Timor, Gambia, Haiti,
>> Ireland, Lesotho, Monaco, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, San Marino,
>> South Korea, UK, Vatican City.
>
> Hmm. According to Google Maps, Qatar is a 17th answer. I stopped
> looking when I had 16. I know the borders in that area have been shown
> differently in different sources and I think some sources show or used
> to show a Qatar/UAE border. Which one were you not expecting?
Qatar was not on my list. I can't recall which map I was using, but I
> Dan Tilque:
>>> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
>>> 16 total; 1 point each.
>
> Mark Brader:
>> Brunei, Canada, Denmark, Dominican Rep., East Timor, Gambia, Haiti,
>> Ireland, Lesotho, Monaco, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, San Marino,
>> South Korea, UK, Vatican City.
>
> Hmm. According to Google Maps, Qatar is a 17th answer. I stopped
> looking when I had 16. I know the borders in that area have been shown
> differently in different sources and I think some sources show or used
> to show a Qatar/UAE border. Which one were you not expecting?
distinctly remember seeing a border with UAE. I thought my source was my
Times World Atlas, but that shows only very vague borders in that area.
>
>> Some would disallow the UK because of the underwater border with France.
>
> And similarly for Denmark and Sweden. Anyway, I don't think bridges or
> tunnels should be taken into account on this sort of question.
--
Dan Tilque
Helix, if everything goes according to plan, the plan has been
compromised. -- Sam Starfall in "Freefall"
Dan Tilque
Feb 17, 2014, 3:01:56 AM2/17/14
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Dan Tilque wrote:
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
It's been brought to my attention that there are actually 17 such
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
countries. Or at least most sources show this, but not the one I used.
So give any 16 of the correct answers for full credit on this one. You
can give all 17 if you want, but not for credit.
Also, bridges, causeways, and tunnels between countries do not count as
land borders.
--
Dan Tilque
Mark Brader
Feb 17, 2014, 4:31:32 AM2/17/14
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Dan Tilque:
>>>> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
>>>> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
Mark Brader:
>>> Brunei, Canada, Denmark, Dominican Rep., East Timor, Gambia, Haiti,
>>> Ireland, Lesotho, Monaco, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, San Marino,
>>> South Korea, UK, Vatican City.
>>
>> Hmm. According to Google Maps, Qatar is a 17th answer. I stopped
>> looking when I had 16. I know the borders in that area have been shown
>> differently in different sources and I think some sources show or used
>> to show a Qatar/UAE border. Which one were you not expecting?
Dan Tilque:
>>> Brunei, Canada, Denmark, Dominican Rep., East Timor, Gambia, Haiti,
>>> Ireland, Lesotho, Monaco, Papua New Guinea, Portugal, San Marino,
>>> South Korea, UK, Vatican City.
>>
>> Hmm. According to Google Maps, Qatar is a 17th answer. I stopped
>> looking when I had 16. I know the borders in that area have been shown
>> differently in different sources and I think some sources show or used
>> to show a Qatar/UAE border. Which one were you not expecting?
> Qatar was not on my list.
From time to time over the past few years I've thought about running
a Rare Entries contest containing nothing but corrected versions of
past questions where entrants had spotted loopholes in my wording
and I'd had to accept whole categories of answers that I'd never
intended. But whenever I started actually looking over the old
contests, it seemed like too much work.
But just *hours* before you posted your RQ 132, I was thinking that
if I ever changed my mind and resumed doing Rare Entries contests,
I could also try doing one with nothing but "good questions" selected
from old contests. Such as, I immediately realized, this one from
contest MSB1 in 1996:
2. Name a country which borders exactly one other country,
disregarding water borders.
So I was well primed to start thinking about your question!
This one actually did have one of those loopholes: I failed to specify
that "country" meant an independent country. These days I've just
made it a rule (rule 4.1.1) that it always does. But back then,
when Scotland and Wales were given as answers, I had to accept them.
But those were only two additions and didn't greatly change the range
of answers, so I still think of it as a good question.
I also failed to make it explicit that rivers as borders are land
borders, not water borders, but as far as I know no entrants tried
to take advantage of that (by naming Moldova, for example).
The answers I scored as correct in contest MSB1, in order from
most to least popular (worst- to best-scoring), were:
9 Portugal
5 Lesotho
5 San Marino
4 South Korea
3 Canada
3 Dominican Republic
3 Haiti
3 Papua New Guinea
2 Brunei
2 Denmark
2 Ireland
2 Vatican City
2 Wales
1 Gambia
1 Monaco
1 Scotland
East Timor was not yet independent in 1996, and nobody named the UK.
The answers I scored as wrong were:
2 Qatar
1 Botswana
1 Macau
1 Malaysia
1 Netherlands Antilles
1 San Remo
1 Singapore
1 Swaziland
1 Yemen
Three of these are not countries, four of them clearly border two
or more other countries each, Singapore has only a water border
(albeit bridged) -- and then there's Qatar. I haven't kept copies
of my correspondence or any newsgroup discussion after I said it was
wrong, but I do seem to remember the issue of conflicting sources
being raised. It's even possible that I changed the results to
accept Qatar but didn't permanently keep a record of it -- contest
MSB1 was a one-shot, and I didn't start doing them more regularly,
and keeping more detailed records, until 2000.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | Thus, "plain english" is the same as
m...@vex.net | "near-field spin". --Carl Ginnow
Peter Smyth
Feb 17, 2014, 3:42:44 PM2/17/14
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Dan Tilque wrote:
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz 132. This quiz will run 4 days from now
> until Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get
> around to scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual
> rules apply.
>
> This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves
> geography. For each of the three parts you are to list as many
> countries that you can think of that have the characteristics
> described. The total number of valid answers for each part is
> indicated; if you give more answers than that, the excess will be
> ignored.
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other
> country. 16 total; 1 point each.
Canada, Ireland, UK, Portugal, San Marino, Monaco, Vatican City, South
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz 132. This quiz will run 4 days from now
> until Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get
> around to scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual
> rules apply.
>
> This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves
> geography. For each of the three parts you are to list as many
> countries that you can think of that have the characteristics
> described. The total number of valid answers for each part is
> indicated; if you give more answers than that, the excess will be
> ignored.
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other
> country. 16 total; 1 point each.
Korea, Singapore, Qatar, Lesotho, Papua New Guinea, East Timor, The
Gambia
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other
> countries. 7 total; 2 points each.
Andorra, Swaziland, Liechtenstein, Mongolia, Nepal, Bhutan
> countries. 7 total; 2 points each.
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each
> of which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
Luxembourg
> of which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
>
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have
> land[1] close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four
> may meet at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short
> (about 150 meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four
> countries.
Peter Smyth
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have
> land[1] close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four
> may meet at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short
> (about 150 meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four
> countries.
Joshua Kreitzer
Feb 18, 2014, 12:58:26 AM2/18/14
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m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in
news:y-mdndlsKMhpS5zO...@vex.net:
> ... this one from
>
> ... and then there's Qatar. I haven't kept copies
the United Arab Emirates was discussed. There are various posts in the
thread at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!
topicsearchin/rec.games.trivia/msb1%7Csort:date%
7Cspell:true/rec.games.trivia/qcxxkWve8q0 which cover this. However, the
key post from Mark can be found at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!
original/rec.games.trivia/qcxxkWve8q0/foyvqYmexycJ and contains the
following comments (excerpted):
> If this had been pointed out to me during the protest period, I
> would've allowed Qatar, to the benefit of Aidan Hollinshead and Mark
> Huckabone.
>
> It turns out that the border between Saudi Arabia (hereafter SA) and
> the UAE is undemarcated, and different maps show at least three
> versions of it.
>
> The oldest maps I have, in atlases dated 1972 and 1980, show the UAE
> as extending inland about 100 km from the coast along pretty much its
> entire east-west extent. ,,, The 1980 atlas (Rand McNally New
> International), in a map of scale 1:6,000,000, shows the SA-UAE border
> reaching the coast at exactly the same point as the west end of the
> Qatar border. In other words, in this version the *only* country that
> Qatar appears to have a border with is the UAE, but (since the SA-UAE
> border is a dashed line, indicating uncertainty) it is possible that
> either Qatar at its southwest corner touches SA, or that the UAE again
> touches the coast. ...
>
> The atlas I used for the contest was the 1990 Rand McNally New Inter-
> national. It shows the UAE as being wider in the east than the
> earlier maps, extending over 150 km inland in places; but it is
> narrower in the west, only about 25 km wide, and does not extend as
> far west. On this map about 60% of Qatar's land border is with SA,
> and 40% with the UAE. ...
>
> However, [Dean Edmonds'] reference evidently shows a third version of
> the border. Presumably it agrees with the one that Erland and I found
> in the current online CIA World Factbook. This is almost the same as
> the second version, but the western tip of the UAE is cut off at
> longitude 51.6, the border extending straight north to the sea. The
> CIA World Factbook identifies this line as the de facto boundary. I
> take this to be the most current information, and therefore, as I
> said, I would have accepted the answer. ...
See Mark's original post for more details about the latitude and
longitude of certain points through which the former Qatar-UAE border
passed.
--
Joshua Kreitzer
grom...@hotmail.com
news:y-mdndlsKMhpS5zO...@vex.net:
> ... this one from
> contest MSB1 in 1996:
>
> 2. Name a country which borders exactly one other country,
> disregarding water borders.
>
>
> 2. Name a country which borders exactly one other country,
> disregarding water borders.
>
> The answers I scored as wrong were:
>
> 2 Qatar ...
>
>
> ... and then there's Qatar. I haven't kept copies
> of my correspondence or any newsgroup discussion after I said it was
> wrong, but I do seem to remember the issue of conflicting sources
> being raised. It's even possible that I changed the results to
> accept Qatar but didn't permanently keep a record of it -- contest
> MSB1 was a one-shot, and I didn't start doing them more regularly,
> and keeping more detailed records, until 2000.
I found the discussion in which the border or non-border of Qatar with
> wrong, but I do seem to remember the issue of conflicting sources
> being raised. It's even possible that I changed the results to
> accept Qatar but didn't permanently keep a record of it -- contest
> MSB1 was a one-shot, and I didn't start doing them more regularly,
> and keeping more detailed records, until 2000.
the United Arab Emirates was discussed. There are various posts in the
thread at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!
topicsearchin/rec.games.trivia/msb1%7Csort:date%
7Cspell:true/rec.games.trivia/qcxxkWve8q0 which cover this. However, the
key post from Mark can be found at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!
original/rec.games.trivia/qcxxkWve8q0/foyvqYmexycJ and contains the
following comments (excerpted):
> If this had been pointed out to me during the protest period, I
> would've allowed Qatar, to the benefit of Aidan Hollinshead and Mark
> Huckabone.
>
> It turns out that the border between Saudi Arabia (hereafter SA) and
> the UAE is undemarcated, and different maps show at least three
> versions of it.
>
> The oldest maps I have, in atlases dated 1972 and 1980, show the UAE
> as extending inland about 100 km from the coast along pretty much its
> entire east-west extent. ,,, The 1980 atlas (Rand McNally New
> International), in a map of scale 1:6,000,000, shows the SA-UAE border
> reaching the coast at exactly the same point as the west end of the
> Qatar border. In other words, in this version the *only* country that
> Qatar appears to have a border with is the UAE, but (since the SA-UAE
> border is a dashed line, indicating uncertainty) it is possible that
> either Qatar at its southwest corner touches SA, or that the UAE again
> touches the coast. ...
>
> The atlas I used for the contest was the 1990 Rand McNally New Inter-
> national. It shows the UAE as being wider in the east than the
> earlier maps, extending over 150 km inland in places; but it is
> narrower in the west, only about 25 km wide, and does not extend as
> far west. On this map about 60% of Qatar's land border is with SA,
> and 40% with the UAE. ...
>
> However, [Dean Edmonds'] reference evidently shows a third version of
> the border. Presumably it agrees with the one that Erland and I found
> in the current online CIA World Factbook. This is almost the same as
> the second version, but the western tip of the UAE is cut off at
> longitude 51.6, the border extending straight north to the sea. The
> CIA World Factbook identifies this line as the de facto boundary. I
> take this to be the most current information, and therefore, as I
> said, I would have accepted the answer. ...
See Mark's original post for more details about the latitude and
longitude of certain points through which the former Qatar-UAE border
passed.
--
Joshua Kreitzer
grom...@hotmail.com
Mark Brader
Feb 18, 2014, 2:24:36 AM2/18/14
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In 1996 I wrote:
> It turns out that the border between Saudi Arabia (hereafter SA) and
> the UAE is undemarcated, and different maps show at least three
> versions of it.
Thanks to Joshua Kreitzer for digging that up. I just have one thing
> It turns out that the border between Saudi Arabia (hereafter SA) and
> the UAE is undemarcated, and different maps show at least three
> versions of it.
to add, which is to note that the current CIAWF agrees with Google Maps
as to the shape of the borders, and differs from all three of the
layouts that I found mapped in 1996.
--
Mark Brader | "Earthmen learned how to send ships through space, and
m...@vex.net | so initiated human history, though I suppose there was
Toronto | previous history on Earth." -- Jack Vance, "Emphyrio"
Erland Sommarskog
Feb 18, 2014, 4:27:03 PM2/18/14
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Dan Tilque (dti...@frontier.com) writes:
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Portgual, Ireland, United Kingdom,
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Canada, Monaco, Vatican State,
San Marino, Leshoto, Gambia,
Papua New Guinea, Haiti, Domnincan Republic,
Denmark, South Korea, Qatar,
East Timor
Mark Brader had this as a question in his very first Rare Entries quiz.
Just like you he only said "countries", and found that he had to
accept Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. Well, at least they don't
fit in the 16.
Antoher problematic one was Qatar. I recall that I look at different maps,
that both proved that Qatar fit. Problem was that on one map the border
was entirely with Saudi Arabia, while another had the border entirely
with UAE. And of course, there were maps on which Qatar. But that was
in 1996, and maybe things have cleared up since then? I first had it
on the list, but then I recalled East Timor. But now it's back, after I
got my doubts abour Brunei.
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
And in practice Bosnia-Hercegovina, if Croatia has completed that bridge
over the to the Korcula peninsula.
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
>
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esq...@sommarskog.se
Mark Brader
Feb 18, 2014, 4:57:43 PM2/18/14
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Erland Sommarskog:
posting this, do so now.
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Mark Brader "The spaghetti is put there by the designer of
Toronto the code, not the designer of the language."
m...@vex.net -- Richard Minner
> Mark Brader had this as a question in his very first Rare Entries quiz.
Well remembered! If you didn't read the rest of the thread after
posting this, do so now.
--
Mark Brader "The spaghetti is put there by the designer of
Toronto the code, not the designer of the language."
m...@vex.net -- Richard Minner
Erland Sommarskog
Feb 18, 2014, 5:12:17 PM2/18/14
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Mark Brader (m...@vex.net) writes:
> Erland Sommarskog:
>> Mark Brader had this as a question in his very first Rare Entries quiz.
>
> Well remembered! If you didn't read the rest of the thread after
> posting this, do so now.
Of course I did! I also noticed with some relief that the Qatar issue
> Erland Sommarskog:
>> Mark Brader had this as a question in his very first Rare Entries quiz.
>
> Well remembered! If you didn't read the rest of the thread after
> posting this, do so now.
saved me from me unwarrented doubts on Brunei.
Now it remains to see if Dan has any special prizes for most almost-correct
answers to question #3!
Rob Parker
Feb 18, 2014, 5:29:21 PM2/18/14
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> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Papua New Guineau
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Timor L'Este
Brunei
Malaysia
South Korea
Qatar
Denmark
Portugal
Lesotho
Canada
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
Panama
Nicaragua
Equador
Uruguay
Tunisia
Morocco
Spain
Netherlands
Yemen
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
Pete
Feb 19, 2014, 2:21:20 AM2/19/14
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Dan Tilque <dti...@frontier.com> wrote in news:lds4nd$r4f$1@dont-
email.me:
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz 132. This quiz will run 4 days from now until
> Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get around
to
> scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual rules apply.
>
> This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves
geography.
> For each of the three parts you are to list as many countries that you
> can think of that have the characteristics described. The total number
> of valid answers for each part is indicated; if you give more answers
> than that, the excess will be ignored.
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Ireland
United Kingdom
Vatican City
San Marino
Monaco
Lesotho
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Papua New Guinea
South Korea
Canada
Qatar
Bangladesh
East Timor
Portugal
Gambia
>
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other
countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
Liechtenstein
Mongolia
Andorra
Bhutan
Nepal
Kosovo
>
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each
of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
Paraguay
Luxembourg
Burundi
>
>
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land
[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana, Mozambique
>
>
> [1] The borders are actually in the middle of a river, so it's not
> technically land.
>
Pete
email.me:
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz 132. This quiz will run 4 days from now until
> Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get around
to
> scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual rules apply.
>
> This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves
geography.
> For each of the three parts you are to list as many countries that you
> can think of that have the characteristics described. The total number
> of valid answers for each part is indicated; if you give more answers
> than that, the excess will be ignored.
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
United Kingdom
Vatican City
San Marino
Monaco
Lesotho
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Papua New Guinea
South Korea
Canada
Qatar
Bangladesh
East Timor
Portugal
Gambia
>
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other
countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
Mongolia
Andorra
Bhutan
Nepal
Kosovo
>
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each
of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
Luxembourg
Burundi
>
>
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land
[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
>
>
> [1] The borders are actually in the middle of a river, so it's not
> technically land.
>
Calvin
Feb 19, 2014, 6:35:37 PM2/19/14
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On Monday, February 17, 2014 2:51:57 PM UTC+10, Dan Tilque wrote:
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Scotland
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Wales
Portugal
Republic of Ireland
Northern Ireland
Vatican City
Yemen
Gambia
Lesotho
South Korea
PNG
Timor Leste
Brunei
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Canada
--
Possibly Bahrain too?
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
Liechtenstein
Macedonia
Mongolia
Andorra
Luxembourg
Montenegro?
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
Montenegro
Jordan
Paraguay
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
DR Congo
Angola
Eq Guinea
Great quiz thanks.
cheers,
calvin
Dan Tilque
Feb 20, 2014, 11:44:45 PM2/20/14
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Dan Tilque wrote:
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Brunei
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Canada
Denmark
Domincan Republic
East Timor (Timor-Leste)
The Gambia
Haiti
Ireland
Lesotho
Monaco
Papua New Guinea
Portugal
Qatar
San Marino
South Korea
UK
Vatican City
As I indicated in the announcement, there's actually 17 such countries.
Any of the above are correct answers up to 16 total.
We have an informal standard in this newsgroup of using "country" to
mean sovereign nation, which means that the subnational "countries" of
the UK are incorrect (and even if they are correct, does Northern
Ireland count as a country?) I suppose I should have made it clear that
I was using the definition of country from Mark's Rare Entries contests.
>
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
Bhutan
Liechtenstein
Moldavia
Mongolia
Nepal
Swaziland
One person interpreted "completely surrounded" as meaning bordering on
two other countries. That list would be much longer.
>
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
Luxembourg
Malawi
Paraguay
Erland wrote:
> And in practice Bosnia-Hercegovina, if Croatia has completed that
> bridge over the to the Korcula peninsula.
surrounded by the other three countries. At least not by land. If you
count territorial waters, I'm sure it's surrounded.
>
>
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
Namibia
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Scores
1 2 3 T TB
Mark Brader 16 14 12 42 4
Erland Sommarskog 16 14 12 42 3
Pete 15 10 12 37 3
Joshua Kreizer 16 8 8 32 3
Peter Smyth 13 12 4 29 0
Calvin 12 8 4 24 0
Marc Dashevsky 11 4 0 15 0
Rob Parker 9 0 0 9 0
Wow! Mark squeezes out the narrowest of wins over Erland. Excellent job,
both of you. And good job to Pete and Joshua who had very good scores.
And thanks to everyone who participated.
So take it away, Mark...
--
Dan Tilque
Mark Brader
Feb 21, 2014, 12:28:38 AM2/21/14
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Dan Tilque:
> Excellent job, both of you.
Thanks. And thanks especially for question 3; I'd never thought of
or encountered the idea of making a list of *those* countries before.
> So take it away, Mark...
Okay. I'll go back to mixed subjects for the next one, but after two
geography-based RQs in a row, I'll exclude all geography questions
this time.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Save our planet: it's the only one with chocolate"
m...@vex.net | --Bumper sticker
> Scores
> 1 2 3 T TB
> Mark Brader 16 14 12 42 4
> Erland Sommarskog 16 14 12 42 3
> 1 2 3 T TB
> Mark Brader 16 14 12 42 4
> Erland Sommarskog 16 14 12 42 3
> Wow! Mark squeezes out the narrowest of wins over Erland.
My goodness! I was expecting Stephen Perry to pop in with a perfect 46.
> Excellent job, both of you.
or encountered the idea of making a list of *those* countries before.
> So take it away, Mark...
geography-based RQs in a row, I'll exclude all geography questions
this time.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Save our planet: it's the only one with chocolate"
m...@vex.net | --Bumper sticker
Erland Sommarskog
Feb 21, 2014, 2:48:23 AM2/21/14
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Dan Tilque (dti...@frontier.com) writes:
> The bridge makes no difference. B-H has a short coastline, so it's not
> surrounded by the other three countries. At least not by land. If you
> count territorial waters, I'm sure it's surrounded.
Well, you did not spell out your definition of "surrounded", but then
> The bridge makes no difference. B-H has a short coastline, so it's not
> surrounded by the other three countries. At least not by land. If you
> count territorial waters, I'm sure it's surrounded.
again I felt certain that you would not accepted. But the Bosnians sure
feel surrounded, and there were quite some discontent in Sarajevo over
that bridge.
I bugs me that I never gave Malawi closer consideration. Botswana is
certainly one of the best wrong answers to the question (together with
B-H), but it lured me away from the correct answer on the tie-breaker.
swp
Feb 21, 2014, 9:57:38 AM2/21/14
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On Friday, February 21, 2014 12:28:38 AM UTC-5, Mark Brader wrote:
> Dan Tilque:
> > Scores
> > 1 2 3 T TB
> > Mark Brader 16 14 12 42 4
> > Erland Sommarskog 16 14 12 42 3
>
> > Wow! Mark squeezes out the narrowest of wins over Erland.
>
> My goodness! I was expecting Stephen Perry to pop in with a perfect 46.
I abstained from this round for a few reasons, including running the current
> Dan Tilque:
> > Scores
> > 1 2 3 T TB
> > Mark Brader 16 14 12 42 4
> > Erland Sommarskog 16 14 12 42 3
>
> > Wow! Mark squeezes out the narrowest of wins over Erland.
>
> My goodness! I was expecting Stephen Perry to pop in with a perfect 46.
swpKO round, watching the Olympics, job hunting, wracking my brain on how I
didn't get a perfect score in one of the rounds of the current QFTCI that Mark
is currently posting, writing, reading, and oh yeah the wife and kids are in
there somewhere too. oh, and snow removal activities. lots of snow removal
activities.
but I did enjoy reading this round.
swp
Jeffrey Turner
Feb 25, 2014, 12:22:01 PM2/25/14
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On 2/16/2014 11:51 PM, Dan Tilque wrote:
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz 132. This quiz will run 4 days from now until
> Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get around to
> scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual rules apply.
>
> This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves geography.
> For each of the three parts you are to list as many countries that you
> can think of that have the characteristics described. The total number
> of valid answers for each part is indicated; if you give more answers
> than that, the excess will be ignored.
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Portugal, Belize, Canada, Equatorial Guinea, Lesotho, San Marino,
> Welcome to Rotating Quiz 132. This quiz will run 4 days from now until
> Thursday 20-Feb-2014 at 7 p.m. (UTC-8) or whatever time I get around to
> scoring it (which will be no earlier than 7). The usual rules apply.
>
> This is a three part quiz (plus a tiebreaker) and it involves geography.
> For each of the three parts you are to list as many countries that you
> can think of that have the characteristics described. The total number
> of valid answers for each part is indicated; if you give more answers
> than that, the excess will be ignored.
>
> 1. Name countries that have a land border with a single other country.
> 16 total; 1 point each.
Vatican, South Korea, Denmark,
> 2. Name countries that are completely surrounded by two other countries.
> 7 total; 2 points each.
> 3. Name countries that are surrounded by three other countries, each of
> which borders on the other two. 4 total; 4 points each.
> Tiebreaker: There's an area in Africa where four countries have land[1]
> close to each other. At one time it was thought that the four may meet
> at a quadripoint, but now it appears that two have a short (about 150
> meters) border that separates the other two. Name the four countries.
>
>
> [1] The borders are actually in the middle of a river, so it's not
> technically land.
>
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