[MECCG] Rules Digest 516
Gnome
Here are a bunch of old questions that now have official answers:
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<<2. Can you tap Hoarmurath to increase the number of strikes of a sites
> >auto-attack? If so, when? How does the timing work?
>
> No. Hoarmurath can only tap during the M/H phase and the auto-attack
> doesn't exist until the site phase.
It is legal, and I remember ruling on this ages ago. Craig and I finally found
the original ruling in an old CRF. This ruling was purged and replaced with
the clause under Rulings by Term, Playing Hazards: "Hazards may only be
played on a company or on the site they are moving to."
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>Wild Hounds says that it can be used as minion resource card
>playable by a character in covert company. This means that
>I could play WH at minion Ost-in-Edhil with my FW non-overt
>company, right?>>
Yes.
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<<Can you target a region type symbol on a site's site path with "Withered
Lands"? Same question with "Master of Wood, Water, or Hill".>>
Yes. Yes.
<<If you taget a region type symbol of a region card, does it affect only
the company's site path ?>>
No. If affects any other thing that explicitly uses that region's type that
turn. However, do not interpret specific region types with starter
movement.
<<If you target the region type symbol of a site's site path, and the
company is moving using starter movement, des it affect both region type
symbols on site's site path and region type symbol in company's site
path ?>>
In this specific case, yes. Here the company's site path is by definition
equal to the site's site path.
<<Last but not least. What is the difference between "Treat" and "Change"
?>>
No difference.
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>I have the option of declaring the first event in a chain
>of effects during my turn at all times, right?
>
>Does this mean that if opponent declares Lure of Nature
>that targets Elrond, I could opt to play Vilya before that
>in the same chain of effects? What would then happen to
>Lure of Nature because like all corruption cards, it cannot
>be played in response nowadays? What would be the correct
>order to resolve those two cards?>>
The Lure of Nature would return to its owner's hand for no effect. This
same ruling applies to the play of a creature whose opponent chooses to
play the first action in the chain of effects.
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<<I looked in the CRF and can't seem to find a definitive naswer on this.
How does the timing of Gollum's Fate work? Say my opponent declares
an Agent Attack at Mount Doom (rules say agent attacks are "declared and
enacted" first immediately following auto-attacks). Can I declare
Gollums' Fate in response, which if nothing else is declared, resolves
first, game over?>>
Yes. As a side note, My Precious does not satisfy Gollum's Fate.
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<<Can you play forwarded is forarmed after taking the first attack of an
assassin?>>
No. Here is a ruling on Forewarned Is Forearmed. May not be played after
any strike of attacks it affects are assigned.
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<<> 2. Can Out of the Black Sky discarded with MT? (a very same
>situation)
Out of the Black Sky cannot be targeted when played (because it has not
resolved yet). It can be targeted with Marvels Told in response to the
Nazgul attack. The attack is the first declaration in the following chain of
effects. This discards Out of the Black Sky and removes the attacker choses
defending character option. The Nazg–l attack still takes effect, however,
because it is now a creature attacking normally. Note: an opponent gets no
marshalling points from killing his own creature. Marvels Told cannot
target Out of the Black Sky in a marshalling points pile according to the
CRF, Rulings by Term, Marshalling Point Pile.
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> Is the loss of the sage skill inflicted by In the Heart of His Realm
> permanent?>>
No.
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<<Can you play hold rebuilt on the R&L that a Fallen Wizard is using as
his haven and take his haven away?>>
You cannot take his Wizardhaven away, see CRF, Rulings by Term, Site.
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On to the new stuff....
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>Subject: Timing Question
>Message-Id: <1998101414...@omni.cc.purdue.edu>
>
>Hello again :-)
>
>Today I have a timing question which came up last night during a game.
>Situation: Doors of Night in play
> Opponent plays Choking Shadows (environment short event)
> I play Twilight in response to get rid of DoN
>
>Question: DoN is discarded. What happened to Choking Shadows? Does
> it go back to players hand or is it discarded, too?
Neither. You can still play Choking Shadows with no Doors of Night.
>Question: What happens when I play Gates of Morning instead?
> Both cards are discarded?
No. If Gates of Morning is played in response to Choking Shadows,
Choking Shadows in not in play to be discarded when Gates of Morning
resolves.
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>From: "Andy Fredricksen (ECA)" <a-an...@microsoft.com>
>Subject: [VAN] A couple Q's
>
>Two issues which have arisen against two recent opponents -
>Oops -- thanks, CRF. I guess I only have one question after all. (I KNEW
>Long Dark Reach's creature didn't count against the limit!)
>
>Ok. The scenario: a Nazgul perm-event is in play. The hazard player taps
>it to use its short-event ability. The resource player responds with a
>Marvels Told.
>
>One interpretation: upon tapping the Nazgul, it became a short-event and
>as such is no longer targetable by MT.
This is the correct interpretation.
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>From: Philip Thomas Carroll <carr...@acme.highpoint.edu>
>Subject: Re: [VAN] A couple Q's
>
>Okay, now that this has been resolved, I have a related question. If MT
>is played on a Nazgul, can it be tapped in response? I would assume the
>answer is yes.
Yes. If it taps in response, it can use it's short event effect.
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> From: Andy Fredricksen (ECA)
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 1998 9:05 AM
> To: 'Recipients of the Middle Earth The Wizards list'
> Subject: RE: [VAN] Site Phase order of things
>
> Very nice summary, except for the part where you followed step ii) with
> step ii) ;-P
>
> Anyway, me not Van, but me think you havesk it right: if a critter is
> revealed as the on-guard card when the resource player declares he enters
> the site, said critter becomes an additional auto-attack (and is thus
> discarded no matter what), faced after the auto-attacks printed on the
> card. The Chill Douser, in other words, attacked after the generic
> Undead, and thus not conferring special bonusesessss. All this without
> referencing anything, so if I'm wrong, I hope someone corrects me, but
> this is my understanding.
>
> Andy
> ----------
> <snip giant summary>
>
I'm not sure what the original question was. Can someone help me out?
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>From: RCMo...@aol.com
>Subject: [Van]Agent Questions and Cram Question
>
>First, agent questions:
>1) Can an agent which can move to a Haven also attack characters at that
>Haven if the characters enter the site?
Yes. But it is relatively rare for characters to actually enter a haven during
the site phase.
>2) For the card "Cunning Foes", the first line states "Tap a warrior agent at
>target company's new site...." Does this mean that the target company has
>to be moving in order to play this card?
Yes.
>Now the Cram question:
>3) Can an untapped character discard Cram to untap?
Yes.
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>From: Martin Toggweiler <mtogg...@compuserve.com>
>Subject: [Van] Um/Burth question
>
>{was "Hazard strategy question"}
>
>Lets get Van's attention, so he can decide this fine point:
>
> A question: I don't have the card in front of me, but does =
> Umagaur/Buthrakur's special ability allow more than one non-unique =
> troll/orc to be played following them, or is it just one? I thought it
> was just one, ie, "any" in the card text refers to any type, not any =
> number. The way this discussion is going however seems that its the=
> other way. Regards, Ed =
>Burthrakaur
>MP: 2 kill
>Playable: S
>Prowess/Body: 15/6
>Description: Unique. Troll. 1 strike. Also playable at Moria and The=
>Under-gates. If Doors of Night is in play, playable at any Under-deep
>site. Any non-unique Orc or Troll hazard creature can be played (not
>counting against the hazard limit) on a company that has faced
>Buthrakaur that turn.
It's only one orc or troll creature.
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>From: Erwin Hoogenboom <erwin.ho...@student.kun.nl>
>Subject: Questions about German rules
>
>Hi There,
>
>Somewhere in Germany there will be a tournament held on Sunday the
>18th ofOctober.
>I need some answers to a couple of questions:
I believe someone has already answered this. I don't really know about the
German tournament.
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>From: "Oskar" <os...@netreach.net>
>Subject: FW ruling
>
>Where does FW companies start?
>Heros start at Rivendell.
>Minions at Minas Morgul and/or Dol Guldur.
>Fallen Wizards ?? and/or ??
"A FW co can start at either the White Towers (wizardhaven) or any R&L's
in Rhudaur or Arthedian.
Kenny Switzer (aka Dolmant)"
Thanks Kenny, you have it right.
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>From: Tim...@aol.com
>Subject: Re: MECG Survey time!
> 1. Name
Van Norton
> 2. Age
32
> 3. How long have you been collecting/playing MEC(C)G?
Since it started.
> 4. Do you intend to buy Middle-earth: The Balrog?
Yes.
> 5. Would you buy a METW 2nd Edition?
Yes
> 6. When was the first time you read The Lord of the Rings?
I don't remember.
> 7. What is your current favorite hazard strategy?
Undead
> 8. What is your current favorite resource strategy?
Allies everywhere
> 9. Other than MECG, what is your favorite board/card game?
Doomtown.
> 10. Would Mike Hess be a good choice for Galdor in the upcoming
movie?
Sure!
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>From: "Gary Devouges" <devo...@microtec.net>
>Subject: Question about Rinwrait Followers
>
> I know that followers cannot have followers. But if a ringwrait follower
>has a Black Horse, he requires no direct influence. Can he now have a
>follower ?
No. Followers still cannot have followers.
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>From: kin...@mail.wsu.edu (Randall Kintner)
>Subject: Re: [VAN]FW Question
>
>The Forge Master - Does the Wizardhaven need to be untapped for The
>Forge Master to use his ability?
>As this involves the play of an item, I suppose so, and it says nothing
>about the state of the haven (e.g. at a tapped or untapped wizardhaven).
>Alternatively, you could read the text to mean that the only thing required
>is the tapping of The Forge Master and his presence at a wizardhaven.
>That is, the Forge Master must satisfy the requirements on the card only
>(be at a wizardhaven and untapped). And the word is?
Since all this occurs in the organization phase and not the site phase, I
would say that the site does not tap and that it can be done at a tapped site.
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That's it for now. I believe I have caught up with the digests again. Please
let me know if I missed your question.
Van Norton
MECCG NetRep