Black Mana Sources
Nick Klauer
cards should i use?
Peat Bog
Dark Ritual
Swamps
They seem obvious enough. But are there any creature cards, sorceries,
enchantments, etc, that i could use? I want a fast, powerful deck, with lots
of mana sources.
Is Subterranean hangar any good for play, and against what?
-Nick
Joshua Bardwell
<nkl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Is Subterranean hangar any good for play, and against what?
I've found that the Hanger has its place, but it's probably not in a
fast deck, and it would be especially vulnerable in any environment
that has cheap land destruction (e.g. Wasteland). In slow, and
especially multiplayer environments, it can be great for storing up a
bunch of mana (e.g. for a big Drain Life).
Also, don't forget Bubbling Muck.
I used to have a fun deck that featured Muck and Ritual. More than
once, I pulled off a combo like:
Tap Swamp, Ritual, Muck, Muck -- leave B floating.
Tap five more swamps for total sixteen mana.
Drain Life, etc...
Joshua
beando...@my-deja.com
"Nick Klauer" <nkl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If i want to build a black deck that i can get fast mana sources from,
what
> cards should i use?
>
> Peat Bog
> Dark Ritual
> Swamps
>
> They seem obvious enough. But are there any creature cards, sorceries,
> enchantments, etc, that i could use? I want a fast, powerful deck,
with lots
> of mana sources.
I don't know what format you're talking about, but there's also Blood
Pet and Culling the Weak. Both of these cards could additionally be
useful if you are a) trying to get fast creatures into play to feed to a
Delraich or b) trying to load up a graveyard for a cheap Avatar.
To a lesser extent, there's also Lotus Petal and Initiates of the Ebon
Hand (if you decide to use alternate mana sources that need to be
"washed" through the Initiates to make B).
> Is Subterranean hangar any good for play, and against what?
The Hangar is actually pretty slow, netting you one additional mana per
turn starting the turn after it comes into play. Not great it you're
looking for some type of explosive start.
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Michael Ellwood
Nick Klauer wrote:
> If i want to build a black deck that i can get fast mana sources from, what
> cards should i use?
>
Ashnod's Altar allows you to sacrifice creatures for mana - but I can't remember
the exact details
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max bishop
Nick Klauer wrote:
> If i want to build a black deck that i can get fast mana sources from, what
> cards should i use?
>
> Peat Bog
> Dark Ritual
> Swamps
>
> They seem obvious enough. But are there any creature cards, sorceries,
> enchantments, etc, that i could use? I want a fast, powerful deck, with lots
> of mana sources.
>
> Is Subterranean hangar any good for play, and against what?
>
> -Nick
culling the weak (would be so much better if u could sac multiple creatures to
it), bog witch can get you BBB for teh price of a discard, spawning pool (not
that great tho), basal thrull, blood pet, that's all that i can think of now.
max
Minh Tang
max bishop wrote in message <39AB0310...@mailexcite.com>...
Try bubbling muck, bought four of these for a dollar ....a bit pricey if you
ask me but they do help. The sorcery if uncountered gives you, when you tap
a swamp for mana, an additional B. This lasts til end of turn. You can
possibly get an Avatar of Woe out on turn 3 by a few methods. Best bet is to
have a bloodpet by turn two and perhaps a 1 cc creature like rampart
crawler, and save your dark ritual for turn 3 if you are lucky enough to get
one. On turn 3, play your land and attack if you want, since you can sac the
bloodpet afterwards to get the B mana in your pool. With this, pay for dark
ritual when everything is off the stack. You should have 3 swamps untapped
and 3 mana in your pool. Use one mana in your pool to pay for bubbling muck-
let it resolve. Now tap all your swamps for total of six mana and with the
two in your pool - you can cast Avatar of Woe. You can also use bog witch,
peat bog, and blood pet to get a turn 3 avatar out. You can always play the
Phyrexian Negator also if on your first two turns you don't see the
possibility of getting the AoW out soon enough. This should be for standard
play. Culling the weak would be nice for other types of play. This will lead
me to post a black deck soon since that was the first color I chose to play
with. Hope this helps.
Justinio86
there any creature cards, sorceries,
>enchantments, etc, that i could use?
Bog Witch is a spellshaper that can add BBB to your pool
Grelb
this allows you to re-cast your Dark Rituals.
Cadaverous Bloom is pretty cool - turning all cards into Dark Rituals.
There's that 1/1 guy that turns colourless into Black. (up to 3 per turn.)
(A cleric ... holy nimbus ?? something like that ).
those new cards that no-one likes -their both enchantments.
Carnival of souls is one -
Can't remember the name of the other - but it adds counters for each
creature that dies ... and you get that as black mana each main phase.
The storage lands that tap to add a counter, and then tap and remove
counters to add X black mana ( but I think these suck).
Lotus Petal
That's all I can think of .. but there must be more !
(hmm .. cadaverous bloom in my Hatred deck .. shit ! how come it took me
this long to think of this ?! )
cheers
Simon
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pk
mono black, btw, and the other enchantment is soul market, i think....
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Steve Lord
> bloom gives you BB or GG, and costs 3GB, a bit slowy and hard to play in
> mono black, btw, and the other enchantment is soul market, i think....
>
> Grelb wrote:
> >
> > Get hold of Yawgmoths Will
> > this allows you to re-cast your Dark Rituals.
Once, yes. You don't have any sort of unbounded-mana combo with the Will
and the Ritual; Ritual is an Instant now.
> > Cadaverous Bloom is pretty cool - turning all cards into Dark Rituals.
> > There's that 1/1 guy that turns colourless into Black. (up to 3 per turn.)
> > (A cleric ... holy nimbus ?? something like that ).
Initiates of the Ebon Hand. Agent of Stromgald washes R to B.
> > those new cards that no-one likes -their both enchantments.
> > Carnival of souls is one -
> > Can't remember the name of the other - but it adds counters for each
> > creature that dies ... and you get that as black mana each main phase.
Black Market.
> > The storage lands that tap to add a counter, and then tap and remove
> > counters to add X black mana ( but I think these suck).
Which ones, the Fallen Empires one (Bottomless Vault) or the MM one
(Subterranean Hangar)?
> > Lotus Petal
> >
> > That's all I can think of .. but there must be more !
> > (hmm .. cadaverous bloom in my Hatred deck .. shit ! how come it took me
> > this long to think of this ?! )
Just make sure you have G available, or can find some way to get the Bloom
into play without paying G.
CADAVEROUS BLOOM
3BG
Enchantment
Remove a card in your hand from the game: Add BB or GG to your mana pool.
Steve L
Andrew Vance
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, pk wrote:
>
> > bloom gives you BB or GG, and costs 3GB, a bit slowy and hard to play in
> > mono black, btw, and the other enchantment is soul market, i think....
> >
> > Grelb wrote:
> > >
> > > Get hold of Yawgmoths Will
> > > this allows you to re-cast your Dark Rituals.
>
> Once, yes. You don't have any sort of unbounded-mana combo with the Will
> and the Ritual; Ritual is an Instant now.
>
But you can still generate more mana with (some rituals+will) than (just rituals).
No massively stupid infinite combo, but more. (some (3+2+2+2)-3+(3+2+2+2) is
possible first turn, with a swamp, four rits and a will. The last card better damn
well be worth it, of course)
Steve Lord
Let's see ... swamp, tap for B. Play 1st Ritual, 3xB. Play 2nd,
5xB. Play 3rd, 7xB. Play 4th, 9xB. Will: 6xB. Play all 4 Rituals
again, getting net 8 mana for a total of 14xB with 6 cards. _Just_ shy of
what you would need for a BFM :) Drop Ihsan's Shade and a Baron Sengir
and watch your opponent sweat *grin* [assuming of course that your
opponent went first.
Steve L
beando...@my-deja.com
Steve Lord <sl...@wpi.edu> wrote:
> Let's see ... swamp, tap for B. Play 1st Ritual, 3xB. Play 2nd,
> 5xB. Play 3rd, 7xB. Play 4th, 9xB. Will: 6xB. Play all 4 Rituals
> again, getting net 8 mana for a total of 14xB with 6 cards. _Just_
shy of
> what you would need for a BFM :) Drop Ihsan's Shade and a Baron
Sengir
> and watch your opponent sweat *grin* [assuming of course that your
> opponent went first.
...one would wonder if that deck was "sufficiently randomized". ;-)
Steve Lord
If it happens _once_ then it would probably be examined, but it might be
dismissed as a "god draw". Twice would bring a _thorough_ examination and
a review of your shuffling technique. Three times and I'll finance that
person's trip to Vegas if their shuffling technique has been examined and
found to be legitimate and not a trick shuffle :)
Steve L