Despotic Scepter? What's it good for?
tra...@uoknor.edu
I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
you own..."
Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
All help will be met with gratuitous thanks....
Cya,
Michael Tran
tra...@uoknor.edu
Peter C Grauer
>
> Hello all,
>
> I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
> you own..."
>
> Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
>
1) Land Equilibrium Locks... allows you to play a savannah lion and
then bury the land.
2) Land Tax... Not as good as Zuran Orb, but a good backup
3) Control Magic... No you Don't
4) Juxtapose.. I'll just give you my serra here, and take your shivan.
Now since I still OWN the serra, I'll bury it
5) Oh my god... I can't pay the upkeep on my ******! Better bury it.
6) You WHAT-walk me? Oh look. I don't have any of those anymore...
7) Feldon's Cane... Bury it and reshuffle with the rest.
8) Balance... I'll bury my mana bird. Lose your Vampire
9) Zur's Wierding OUTTA CONTROL! - Nuke it
10) And the very best ever....
You tapped out? I'll cast stasis.
(6 turns later)
Oh no, I'm out of blue mana. I guess I'll bury the stasis
(Next turn)
Stasis. Serra Angel. Go.
Hope I have helped. It's not the best card... but it only costs one.
Jesse Chounard
: Hello all,
: I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
: you own..."
: Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
: All help will be met with gratuitous thanks....
You can stop Control Magics, Binding Grasps, Steal Artifacts, etc.
from turning your own stuff against you.
You can also use it to remove painful permanants you control,
like Primordial Ooze, Lord of the Pit, Force of Nature, etc.
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ernie eden
>tra...@uoknor.edu wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
>> you own..."
>>
>> Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
>>
The earlier mentioned ideas are what I originally had in mind, but...
here is a use that very few would have thought of:
Allow friend to borrow deck in tourney.
Bury all cards that you *own*
Friend denies
You take friend to court
You win
You get 5MBL for tourney prize
Mroohaha!
-Noah
shih-jen hsu
: >> Hello all,
: >> I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
: >> you own..."
Welp, despotic scepter is for destroying your wayward permanents, say a lord
of the pit you want to kick away, perhaps that oath of lim-dul you wish you
didn't swear, lands you stole from your oppoent using conquer and orcish
squatters, creatures you stole using control magic/seasinger/etc (although
its better to shoot them using skull catapults), etc.
Anyways, I thought it was a useless card at the beginning too. But then again,
I put away my necropotence after I looked at it once, thinking ick (I've
changed my mind :)
Jen
Edward Vatza
would put it out for one turn, sacrifice the two lands, attack with it
then bury it.
C-ya
Mike
Diane Berg
First of all, it's of use against any type of 'i'll take that' cards,
like control magic, seasinger, alladin, etc. Second, if anyone slaps
cards like mind whip or warp artifact on one of your permenants, you can
use the Scepter there, too. In both cases, it's better in your graveyard
than doing your opponent a favor by keeping it around.
Roland of Gilead
Hung Tran
writes:
>tra...@uoknor.edu wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target
Permanent
>> you own..."
>>
>>
>
> then bury the land.
>2) Land Tax... Not as good as Zuran Orb, but a good backup
>3) Control Magic... No you Don't
>4) Juxtapose.. I'll just give you my serra here, and take your shivan.
> Now since I still OWN the serra, I'll bury it
>5) Oh my god... I can't pay the upkeep on my ******! Better bury it.
>6) You WHAT-walk me? Oh look. I don't have any of those anymore...
>7) Feldon's Cane... Bury it and reshuffle with the rest.
>8) Balance... I'll bury my mana bird. Lose your Vampire
>9) Zur's Wierding OUTTA CONTROL! - Nuke it
>10) And the very best ever....
>
>You tapped out? I'll cast stasis.
>
>(6 turns later)
>
>Oh no, I'm out of blue mana. I guess I'll bury the stasis
>
>(Next turn)
>
>Stasis. Serra Angel. Go.
>
>Hope I have helped. It's not the best card... but it only costs one.
Here's a rare combo I actually saw in a game once:
On turn one lay down forest and cast Fastbond.
Then lay down all your land (I think the guy I saw do this put down 2
more lands.)
Then cast Despotic Scepter and bury Fastbond giving you three lands on
turn one while your opponent will only have 1.
James Haag
Chounard) writes:
>
>tra...@uoknor.edu wrote:
>: Hello all,
>
>: I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target
Permanent
>: you own..."
>
>: Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
>
>
>You can stop Control Magics, Binding Grasps, Steal Artifacts, etc.
>from turning your own stuff against you.
>You can also use it to remove painful permanants you control,
>like Primordial Ooze, Lord of the Pit, Force of Nature, etc.
>
> ^^^^^^^
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> \ ^ /
> Jesse Chounard V "I am the great
> jes...@umr.edu Cornholio!",
> Beavis
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>
Arjen Gnodde
Hi,
te> I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
te> you own..."
te> Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
I used it with some succes in a stasis-deck.
If you can not pay the upkeep in your next turn, bury the stasis at
the end of your oppononts turn, and put out a new one.
It is a good way to get out an early stasis. Something that is
difficult to do otherwise.
It is certainly not a worthless card, but not 'tournament-level' either.
Bye,
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Ken Bovatsek
<erni...@atl.mindspring.com> writes:
>
>Peter C Grauer <pgr...@Direct.CA> wrote:
>>tra...@uoknor.edu wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target
Permanent
>>> you own..."
>>>
>>> Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
>>>
>
>The earlier mentioned ideas are what I originally had in mind, but...
>here is a use that very few would have thought of:
>
>Allow friend to borrow deck in tourney.
>Bury all cards that you *own*
>Friend denies
>You take friend to court
>You win
>You get 5MBL for tourney prize
>
>Mroohaha!
>
>-Noah
>
>
Actually, tonite there was someone with a chaos moon deck that
had despotic in it (i hope you can figure this one out...)
steve
Michael Benveniste
> :In <4gmaui$q...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu> jes...@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Jesse
:Chounard) writes:
:tra...@uoknor.edu wrote:
: Hello all,
: I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target
:Permanent you own..."
Alas, this doesn't work since the latest ruling by WotC. However
the scepter can be used either to kill something that someone else
has taken over, or to bury something that would otherwise be removed
from the game via StP.
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mike.be...@fmr.com
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shih-jen hsu
Edward Vatza (eva...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: The Despotic Scepter is best used in my opinion on a Polar Kraken. I
: then bury it.
Hmm, isn't polar kraken's cumulative upkeep optional? I mean you can chose
to not pay at the next upkeep, and he will go away anyways.
"What, no more lands to eat here? Well ... hey look over there, some
more polar bears...."
Jen
Tim Lifshits
Tim Lifshits
Jason Pottratz
> >:Chounard) writes:
> >:tra...@uoknor.edu wrote:
> >: Hello all,
> >: I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target
> >:Permanent you own..."
> >> recycle feldon's cane!
Has using it with Necropotence come up yet? It could cheaply get rid of
Necro and save the panic button (Nev. Disk) for later. Or do most of
those decks not worry about getting rid of Necro?
Any more ideas?
Jason Pottratz
Technowiz
>
> : Peter C Grauer <pgr...@Direct.CA> wrote:
> : >> Hello all,
> : >> I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
> : >> you own..."
>
> of the pit you want to kick away, perhaps that oath of lim-dul you wish you
> didn't swear, lands you stole from your oppoent using conquer and orcish
> squatters, creatures you stole using control magic/seasinger/etc (although
> its better to shoot them using skull catapults), etc.
>
> Anyways, I thought it was a useless card at the beginning too. But then again,
> I put away my necropotence after I looked at it once, thinking ick (I've
> changed my mind :)
>
> Jen
WHOA! Hold up there. 'Destroy target permanent you OWN'
This does not mean that you can steal a land or a creautre and
tap this artifact to destroy it. You don't OWN that card no matter what
you happen to be doing with it at the time.
What this does mean is that if somebody steals your land or your
creatures then you can destroy them no matter who CONTROLS them. You
still OWN them.
Funniest thing i ever saw done with this was actually a guy who
loaned a friend one of his decks for the tournament. They both made it
to finals and he pulled out a despotic scepter. We all gave a good
chuckle when he told the judge what he wanted to do... After all, he
OWNed every card that his opponent was playing. :)
(Judge said nope. He won anyway.)
Technowiz
"But it's mine, I own it!"
Brian Cash
>
>Here's a rare combo I actually saw in a game once:
>On turn one lay down forest and cast Fastbond.
>Then lay down all your land (I think the guy I saw do this put down 2
>more lands.)
>Then cast Despotic Scepter and bury Fastbond giving you three lands on
>turn one while your opponent will only have 1.
>
You would still take 2 damage from the Fastbond (destroying the source does not stop the effect).
DS is great for killing stealing decks.
Another great use is to piss off your opponent by burying everything he destroys/buryies.
"I Terror your Shivan!"
"No you don't...I'll bury it first."
It also helps control Chaos Moon and Chaos Lord.
Brian /-|-\
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To each, my own.
Jeff Hagerty
>James Haag wrote:
>> :In <4gmaui$q...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu> jes...@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Jesse
>:Chounard) writes:
>: Hello all,
>: I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target
>:Permanent you own..."
>
>Alas, this doesn't work since the latest ruling by WotC. However
>the scepter can be used either to kill something that someone else
>has taken over, or to bury something that would otherwise be removed
>from the game via StP.
>
>------------------
>Michael Benveniste
>mike.be...@fmr.com
>
>Any comments or statements made are not necessarily those of Fidelity
>Investments, its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
The Despotic Scepter might also work well with the Craos Lord & Chaos
Moon to control the number of permanents in play.
For what its worth... like next to nothin
JJH
SnowMage
are others, more interesting:
-get rid of Stasis, Necropotence, Vodoo Doll, Cyclone, Winter Orb, even
Meekstone, etc, when any of these become more of a nuisance than a help.
-get rid of a creature that's about to be Drain-Lifed (minor, I admit)
-get rid of your permanent's that have been given a nasty enchantment
-bury rather than remove a creature that's being StPed
-so, you ran out of critters to sac to the Lord of the Pit?
I bet there's more. I've tried this with Stasis, and seen it tried, but
lately I've become enamored of Nevinyrral's Disk, which will do many of
the same things, though not always with the same surgical precision.
blah blah blah
***Chip
Kevin Denelsbeck
>Hello all,
>
> I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
>you own..."
>
I just sent a weird little combo to Jeff Hannes, for possible (I
wish!) inclusion in InQuest. Despotic Scepter+Chaos Lord. Count the
number of permanents at the beginning of your upkeep. Even? Get rid
of one (I usually smack a land) and do the official count for the
Chaos Lord. Oh goodness, it's odd! I get to keep him for another
turn! I draw a card. I attack.
Chaos Moon is another possibility here. You can also smack your
forests after you get your Ernham(s) out. Lots of options.
Kevin
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Owen Seeman
: Hello all,
: I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
: you own..."
: Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
: All help will be met with gratuitous thanks....
: Cya,
: Michael Tran
: tra...@uoknor.edu
Well, lotsa suggestions, but here's one only lightly touched upon. This
card plays nicely in a "Hot Potato" deck where you use Juxtapose and
gauntlets of chaos to give your opponent "bad" permanents like Demonic
Hordes, Infernal Denizen, Misra's War Machine, Lord of the Pit, Force of
Nature etc. However, sometimes your opponent does manage to handle your
"bad" permanents, which can be bad for you. Solution? Despotic Sceptre
- just sac it, since you do own it :)
Owen.
Dr. Clone
> >>>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target
> Permanent
> >>> you own..."
> >>>
> >>> Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
> >>>
If you have a Feldon's Cane in play you can use it to shuffle your
graveyard into your library. As a fast effect, use the Despotic Scepter
to bury Feldon's Cane. Both happen at the same time. You destroy
Feldon's Cane, but it's effect has already started. You destroy the
source of the effect, but not the effect itself, so it works. (Feldon's
Cane in burried as your graveyard is reshuffled, therefore it does not
get shuffled back in itself but becomes the first card in your new empty
graveyard.)
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P. Squier
On 25 Feb 1996, Edward Vatza wrote:
> The Despotic Scepter is best used in my opinion on a Polar Kraken. I
> would put it out for one turn, sacrifice the two lands, attack with it
> then bury it.
>
>
If you don't pay the cumulative upkeep it gets buried anyway. What do you
need the Scepter for?
P. Squier
>
> Here's a rare combo I actually saw in a game once:
> On turn one lay down forest and cast Fastbond.
> Then lay down all your land (I think the guy I saw do this put down 2
> more lands.)
> Then cast Despotic Scepter and bury Fastbond giving you three lands on
> turn one while your opponent will only have 1.
>
>
>
I think your assuming fastbond works on all players when it only works
for you.
Jim and Kathy
>> >>tra...@uoknor.edu wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello all,
>> >>>
>> >>>I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target
>> >>>Permanent
>> >>>you own..."
>> >>>
>> >>>Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
>> >>>
>>If you have a Feldon's Cane in play you can use it to shuffle your
>>graveyard into your library. As a fast effect, use the Despotic Scepter
>>to bury Feldon's Cane. Both happen at the same time. You destroy
>>Feldon's Cane, but it's effect has already started. You destroy the
>>source of the effect, but not the effect itself, so it works. (Feldon's
>>Cane in burried as your graveyard is reshuffled, therefore it does not
>>get shuffled back in itself but becomes the first card in your new empty
>>graveyard.)
Yes but is it leagal?
Thomas Michael Murray
>If you have a Feldon's Cane in play you can use it to shuffle your
>graveyard into your library. As a fast effect, use the Despotic Scepter
>to bury Feldon's Cane. Both happen at the same time. You destroy
>Feldon's Cane, but it's effect has already started. You destroy the
>source of the effect, but not the effect itself, so it works. (Feldon's
>Cane in burried as your graveyard is reshuffled, therefore it does not
>get shuffled back in itself but becomes the first card in your new empty
>graveyard.)
'Fraid not, doc. A sacrifice takes place at interrupt speed.
Tapping the Despotic Sceptre is only a fast effect (instant).
You HAVE to sacrifice the Cane to reshuffle your graveyard.
The sacrifice resolves BEFORE the Sceptre.
thx
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>
>In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960301...@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu>, "Dr. Clone" <cric...@uiuc.edu> writes:
>>On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Jim and Kathy wrote:
>>> >>If you have a Feldon's Cane in play you can use it to shuffle your
>>> >>graveyard into your library. As a fast effect, use the Despotic Scepter
>>> >>to bury Feldon's Cane. Both happen at the same time. You destroy
>>> >>Feldon's Cane, but it's effect has already started. You destroy the
>>> >>source of the effect, but not the effect itself, so it works. (Feldon's
>>> >>Cane in burried as your graveyard is reshuffled, therefore it does not
>>> >>get shuffled back in itself but becomes the first card in your new empty
>>> >>graveyard.)
>>>
>>
>
>No.
>The Cane has been erratered to be a sacrifice cost, therefor at the >point of
>announcement the cane is removed from the game, and so there are NO >effects
>which can get it to go to the graveyard, not even interrupts. This is >because
>there is nothing faster than a sacrifice.
>
>Craig.
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This WAS legal, but the cane was errated out of Recursion. It has been
(errated? plural for errata?) to say:
T: Sacrifice Feldon's Cane, but remove it from the game instead of
placing it in your graveyard.
*sigh* So much for Infinite Recursion in Type II...
George W. Bayles
: Another use i found for it.
: I summoned a juggernaut.
: My opponent double spirit linked it.
: Tha damn jug was giving her 5 life each turn!
It stops Control Magic, Steal Artifiact. It turns Mana Vaults into colorless
Dark Rituals. That Unholy Strengthed Erg Raider who can't untap due to a
Meekstone is removed. Try Enduring Renewal/Triskelion. Use some imagination.
Drew Dunlap
>tra...@uoknor.edu wrote:
>: Hello all,
>: I just got a despotic scepter...It says "tap to Bury target Permanent
>: you own..."
>: Any suggestions as to what to use it for?
>2 off the top of my head...
>Chaos decks (cf Chaos Moon, Chaos Lord)
>Getting rid of soon-to-be painfull perments on your side (cf Mr ThePit)
>Mike
I also read that you could use it to bury a Feldon's Cane after it is
used (but before it is removed from the game (March INQUEST, p.98). Is
this still a legal move?
Drew
Slacker
1) I can't get the hell's caretaker out and I need a creature. Kill
the egg and get the Rukh.
2) I have a hell's caretaker and two rukh eggs in play, but nothing in
the graveyard, so I can't use the caretaker's ability. Use the scepter
to kill an egg, putting an egg in the graveyard and giving me a rukh.
Then I can use the caretaker every upkeep to get another rukh.
The scepter is also useful if your opponents put annoying enchantments
on your creatures or lands. Or, if you're using something like
necropotence or zur's weirding, or any other enchantment or creature
that might have a negative effect, and it's just not working to your
advantage, popl it with the scepter. If you play with a lot of things
that have upkeep, it can come in handy. Example: You play force of
nature, they play armageddon, you take 8 per turn unless you have four
ellves or birds out, you can prevent this with the scepter too.
Just some thoughts.