what does 'broken card' mean?
compu...@earthlink.net
a loss to understand exactly what the reference pertains to. Does
anyone know?
Frederick Scott
compu...@earthlink.net writes:
A card that's too easy to use for good effect. An extreme example
would be:
Name: "Win Game"
Type: Instant
Mana Cost: 0
Effect: Win the game immediately. "Win Game" cannot be countered.
If these babies existed, everyone would use as many of them as
possible in their decks. But the quality of game play would suffer,
as almost all games would be won and lost simply based on which player
managed to cast a "Win Game" first.
Fred
compu...@earthlink.net
It looks GOOD!!!!!!
BTW... is Yawgmoth's Bargain considered 'Broken' ? What Type II cards,
besides 'Win Game', of course, would be considered 'Broken'???
Could a card be considered 'Broken' if it is only 'broken' in
conjunction with another card (maybe combo is what I'm looking for),
like Bargain, Skirge Familiar, Exhume???
On 13 Dec 1999 22:46:15 GMT, fre...@netcom.com (Frederick Scott)
wrote:
Mark Jenison
>
>
> compu...@earthlink.net writes:
>
> >Lots of times, I'll see reference to a card being 'broken' and I'm at
> >a loss to understand exactly what the reference pertains to. Does
> >anyone know?
>
> A card that's too easy to use for good effect. An extreme example
> would be:
>
> Name: "Win Game"
> Type: Instant
> Mana Cost: 0
> Effect: Win the game immediately. "Win Game" cannot be countered.
>
> If these babies existed, everyone would use as many of them as
> possible in their decks. But the quality of game play would suffer,
> as almost all games would be won and lost simply based on which player
> managed to cast a "Win Game" first.
...unless your opponent said "in response, I cast Win Game". But that's
neither here nor there ;-)
--
Mark Jenison
yakusoku
compu...@earthlink.net wrote:
> What expansion is that 'Win Game' card in?
>
> It looks GOOD!!!!!!
>
> BTW... is Yawgmoth's Bargain considered 'Broken' ? What Type II cards,
> besides 'Win Game', of course, would be considered 'Broken'???
>
> Could a card be considered 'Broken' if it is only 'broken' in
> conjunction with another card (maybe combo is what I'm looking for),
> like Bargain, Skirge Familiar, Exhume???
No, a broken card is one that you build a whole combo (or deck) around.
Yawgmoth's Bargain is broken, but Exhume is not. Yawgmoth's Bargain
allows you to draw many cards during your turn, an ability that is rare and
very powerful. Exhume is only useful in the context of making a combo.
>
>
> On 13 Dec 1999 22:46:15 GMT, fre...@netcom.com (Frederick Scott)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >compu...@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> >>Lots of times, I'll see reference to a card being 'broken' and I'm at
> >>a loss to understand exactly what the reference pertains to. Does
> >>anyone know?
> >
> >A card that's too easy to use for good effect. An extreme example
> >would be:
> >
> >Name: "Win Game"
> >Type: Instant
> >Mana Cost: 0
> >Effect: Win the game immediately. "Win Game" cannot be countered.
> >
> >If these babies existed, everyone would use as many of them as
> >possible in their decks. But the quality of game play would suffer,
> >as almost all games would be won and lost simply based on which player
> >managed to cast a "Win Game" first.
> >
> >Fred
Frederick Scott
compu...@earthlink.net writes:
>What expansion is that 'Win Game' card in?
The "conjectural" expansion. :)
>
>It looks GOOD!!!!!!
>
>BTW... is Yawgmoth's Bargain considered 'Broken' ?
Depends on who you talks to. Some think it is, some think it isn't.
>What Type II cards,
>besides 'Win Game', of course, would be considered 'Broken'???
Again, it depends on who you talk to. There will never be a consensus
on this question.
>Could a card be considered 'Broken' if it is only 'broken' in
>conjunction with another card (maybe combo is what I'm looking for),
>like Bargain, Skirge Familiar, Exhume???
It could be. But it's a lot harder to make that argument since with
combinations, there's an issue of how to get both members of the combination
to show up at the same time and get successfully cast (or played in the
case of the land) in order to take advantage of their combined effect.
Also, whether either or both cards incur a penaly when they don't show
up together, which might be considered a balance against how powerful
they are when they're both put into play.
Lots of complicated factors go into deciding whether a card is considered
balanced or broken. Which is why there's such little agreement about
those issues.
Fred
paul andrew ross
>An extreme example [of a broken card] would be:
>
>Name: "Win Game"
>Type: Instant
>Mana Cost: 0
>Effect: Win the game immediately. "Win Game" cannot be countered.
Nooo, not the I Win / Super I Win discussion again. *8)
Of course, one could argue quite well that the Tolarian Academy deck, in
the height of its power, contained 53 Win Games -- if you didn't have one
on the first turn, you were basically assured of drawing one. ;)
--
"Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit."
Paul Andrew Ross ( paul...@uiuc.edu )
require "standard_disclaimer.ph";
Karl Allen
>> Could a card be considered 'Broken' if it is only 'broken' in
>> conjunction with another card (maybe combo is what I'm looking for),
>> like Bargain, Skirge Familiar, Exhume???
>No, a broken card is one that you build a whole combo (or deck) around.
I'm not sure if that's the generally accepted usage of "broken" for
cards. A card can be broken and not at all useful in a combo. You might
make a deck by putting in as many "broken" cards as possible, with
no interaction between them.
>Yawgmoth's Bargain is broken, but Exhume is not. Yawgmoth's Bargain
>allows you to draw many cards during your turn, an ability that is rare and
>very powerful. Exhume is only useful in the context of making a combo.
Well, technically YB is only useful in making a combo - it won't kill
in and of itself. Not sure if it's "broken", either, but it's certainly
quite bent. It hasn't dominated the Type II scene as predicted, which
makes me wonder if it's quite as dangerous as people originally thought.
I remain underpowered for my casting cost,
K