Best defense against Royal Assasin
Mike Pilman
I would like to hear some suggestions on the best defense against a
Royal Assasin using a Green and\or White deck. Please e-mail me.
Brian J.Cash
: don't use a green and white deck.
Why?
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Holy Light
Ict. Javelineer
Serra Angel
Purelace+Martyr's Cry
Black Ward
Wrath of God
Green:
Thallids/Master of the hunt
Thorn Thallid
Desert Twister
Two Instill Energies
Rabid Wombat
Lure+Instill Energy
And many, many more.
Brian /-|-\
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Greg Mancari <Gregory...@Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>don't use a green and white deck.
Why not?
Creatures with Prot black: (White Knight-like in 4E, IA and FE; and
the Whirling Dervish for Green)
Swords to Plowshares
Desert Twister
Instill Energy
Ashnod's Transmogrant + one of the following:
Divine Offering
Disenchant
Dust to Dust (with another Artifact)
Artifact Ward
Crumble
Serra Angel
Winter Blast
You're hardly being creative. There are plenty of ways to get
rid of an unwanted creature (and esp to avoid being hurt by one
in Green and White).
Jim
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Tony Zbaraschuk
Mike Pilman <mi...@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu> wrote:
> I would like to hear some suggestions on the best defense against a
>Royal Assasin using a Green and\or White deck.
Well, Swords to Plowshares will remove the Assassin from the game, so
not even Black's numerous graveyard searchers will bring it back.
Thorn Thallids and Icatian Javelineers can both do the 1 point of
damage necessary to kill an Assassin, and both come out before the
Assassin does (barring the use of Dark Rituals).
Since the Assassin only kills tapped creatures, you could use creatures
that don't tap. Serra Angels and Rabid Wombats would both be excellent
choices for this. (Watch out for Icy Manipulators, though.)
Tony Z
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Greg Mancari <Gregory...@Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>don't use a green and white deck.
>
Thorn Thallids or Icatian javilineers... poke!
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Ng, Kai Koon
>From: "'Ian' G. Sulham" <red...@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: Best defense against Royal Assasin
>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:07:00 -0700
>On 14 Sep 1995, Mike Pilman wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> I would like to hear some suggestions on the best defense against a
>> Royal Assasin using a Green and\or White deck. Please e-mail me.
>>
>Did someone say 'Swords to Plowshares'???
Pity about the Royal Assassin being Black. White Knights, and all his
Protection from White buddies are safe from him (which includes the Green card
Whirling Dervish).
With Green, the Thorn Thallids can kill him after 3 turns with a poke.
Doesn't even have to tap to do it.
Ng, Kai Koon
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email : kk...@postoffice.utas.edu.au
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Steven Lim
>Greetings,
> I would like to hear some suggestions on the best defense against a
>Royal Assasin using a Green and\or White deck. Please e-mail me.
Had you asked for any other color it would have been pretty hard,
as it is I play a very ANTI-Black deck.
Creature wise, play with White Knights and Whirling Dervishes...
they have protection from black making them immune to the Royal
Asshole <g>.
The White Knights can stand up to almost anything as long as your
opponent does not pull out a first turn Sengir. (2 Knights gang
blocking is no joke to any land creatures)
But you will find whirling dervishes to be your most effective creature
against a black player. Everytime it damages your opponent it gets
+1/+1 permanently.
Having 2 of them on the table while your opponent has no other creatures
besides Black to defend can really drive them nuts.
Imagine..."Eat 2...(assuming that they are 1/1 creatures when you are
attacking)....now they are 2/2 each." Next turn...."Eat 4...now they are
3/3.."
You get the picture...
Of course for this to work you will need to ensure that he has no creatures
other than black.
Serra Angels would be good too as they don't tap to attack.
Spells:
Have Sword to plowshares to get rid of any early nasty or irritating
creatures.
You may want to put in Black Wards (?) the one that gives protection from
Black...but I personally think they are a waste of space.
You can put in Lifeforce if you think that he will be heavy on Black.
However, its pretty useles against any other color.
Just my $00.02 worth.
pie...@warm.inmet.com
Northern Paladin
S.W. Spisak
Triskellions tend to SHUT Royal Assassins up pretty quickly too! And,
being ARTIFACTS, you can add them to a deck of ANY colour or colours! 6
mana, a 4/4 creature that can do pseudo-direct damage! Cool.
Steve
pas...@athos.meca.polymtl.ca
>Greetings,
> I would like to hear some suggestions on the best defense against a
>Royal Assasin using a Green and\or White deck. Please e-mail me.
>
>
>
Here are some ways to neutralize an Assassin:
White:
Swords to Plowshares (obviously)
Witch Hunter (keep unsummoning it)
Northern Paladin (destroy it)
Black Ward (on key creatures)
Cleanse (destroy all black creatures)
Serra Angel (does not tap when attacking)
White Knight (pro black)
Order of Leitbur, Order of the White Shield
Green
Desert Twister
Pixie Queen + Winter Blast (give it flying then use Winter Blast on him)
Lifeforce (counter it when he comes out)
Rabid Wombat (does not tap when attacking)
Tracker (does damage equal to its power)
Whirling Dervish (pro black)
With artifact
Transmogrant the Assassin then Crumble or Disenchant him.
P*
Bill Thomas
white: Icatian Javelineers, Plowshares, Black Ward (cheesy)
green: Instill Energy (think about it), Thorn Thallid, ???
artifact: Triskelion, Rod of Ruin, etc...
Lance....@mail.tju.edu
> Even better - Elvish Hunter, another of the FE weenies! The first time
> the Assassin uses his ability will be his last, because with the Elvish
> Hunter, G1T prevents target creature from untapping next turn.
Excellent point. I sincerely believe that the people who bash Fallen
Empires for being too weak simply do not know how to best make use of
the cards.
If I were playing black against a green/white player who had the Elvish
Hunter in the game, I might think twice about using my Royal Assassin.
- Lance (there's a lot of threat cards in that expansion set... a lot
of threat cards...)
Kirk Hedden
>> I would like to hear some suggestions on the best defense against a
>>Royal Assasin using a Green and\or White deck. Please e-mail me.
Something I've used since my early days is Jandor's Saddlebags...
kirk
Matuse
>
>Northern Paladin
In response to your paladin tapping to destroy my assassin, my assasin
taps to destroy your paladin...then I spend 1 green and regenerate him :)
or better, soul exchange/raise dead him.
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n
: >>Greetings,
: >> I would like to hear some suggestions on the best defense against a
: >>Royal Assasin using a Green and\or White deck. Please e-mail me.
Holy Light clears up a number of truely annoying creatures.
Eternal warrior Lets you attack without tapping.
Charles Hoot
>In article <43813q$l...@lace.colorado.edu>,
>Greg Mancari <Gregory...@Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>>don't use a green and white deck.
>>
>Thorn Thallids or Icatian javilineers... poke!
Or Serra's and Rabid Wombats.
Black ward doesn't hurt either.
C Hoot
Shaun Chin
: In article <DEyKxG....@inmet.camb.inmet.com> pie...@warm.inmet.com
writes:
: >
: >Northern Paladin
: In response to your paladin tapping to destroy my assassin, my assasin
: taps to destroy your paladin...then I spend 1 green and regenerate him :)
: or better, soul exchange/raise dead him.
Of course, when you're playing me, Matt, you don't get to drop your
dorky assassin. :P
shaun
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: Matuse (mat...@netcom.com) wrote:
: : In article <DEyKxG....@inmet.camb.inmet.com> pie...@warm.inmet.com
: writes:
: : >
: : >Northern Paladin
: : In response to your paladin tapping to destroy my assassin, my assasin
: : taps to destroy your paladin...then I spend 1 green and regenerate him :)
: : or better, soul exchange/raise dead him.
You can't regenerate a creature that has been buried or destroyed. And
when the Royal taps to destroy another tapped creature, the Paladin can
destroy the Royal. (or use an Icy or twiddle or something)
: Of course, when you're playing me, Matt, you don't get to drop your
Kyle A. Felker
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>: : : In response to your paladin tapping to destroy my assassin, my assasin
>: : : taps to destroy your paladin...then I spend 1 green and regenerate him :)
>: : : or better, soul exchange/raise dead him.
>
>: You can't regenerate a creature that has been buried or destroyed. And
>: when the Royal taps to destroy another tapped creature, the Paladin can
>: destroy the Royal. (or use an Icy or twiddle or something)
As far as a recall, you CAN regenerate a destroyed creature!!!
You CAN'T regenerate when the creature is buried OR sacrificed.
If the rules have change since, please, let me know.
Todd Zickefoose
>P.J
>ha...@mtlserv.consulan.com
You can regenerate and critter going to the graveyard that hasn't been
buried or sacrificed.
John J. Park
>ha...@mtlserv.consulan.com wrote:
>>In <44052f$1...@thorn.cc.usm.edu>, kafe...@st.usm.edu (Kyle A. Felker) writes:
>>..
>>>: : : In response to your paladin tapping to destroy my assassin, my assasin
>>>: : : taps to destroy your paladin...then I spend 1 green and regenerate him :)
>>>: : : or better, soul exchange/raise dead him.
>>>
>>>: You can't regenerate a creature that has been buried or destroyed. And
>>>: when the Royal taps to destroy another tapped creature, the Paladin can
>>>: destroy the Royal. (or use an Icy or twiddle or something)
>>As far as a recall, you CAN regenerate a destroyed creature!!!
>>You CAN'T regenerate when the creature is buried OR sacrificed.
>>If the rules have change since, please, let me know.
>You can regenerate and critter going to the graveyard that hasn't been
>buried or sacrificed.
True, but you cant tap RA to kill NP, AND soul exchange RA. First off, I think
soul exchange is a sorcery, so it cant respond to anything. Second of all it
requires the sacrifice of the RA, so it will not be there to kill the NP.
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Robert Land
In article <stanford-230...@stanford.cais.com> Satan
wrote:
>Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:00:44 -0500
>From: stan...@cais.com (Satan)
>Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.magic.strategy
>Subject: Re: Best defense against Royal Assasin
>
> damage..I think...
regened
Teresa Henchar
method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin is a 1/1
creature.
Cassandra, Queen of Cups
Eric Lewandowski
>The best defense against a royal assasin? I've always prefered the direct
>method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin is a 1/1
>creature.
Flare is one of the better "Hey, this card is pretty useless, but that's
what makes it good" cards. One damage and a free card for 3 mana comes
close to generally sucking, but it can kill a lot of things. But, of
course, that's why people play with bad moods...
-Eric
Gary Sturgess
>>: >> I would like to hear some suggestions on the best defense against a
>>: >>Royal Assasin using a Green and\or White deck. Please e-mail me.
>>
>>: Something I've used since my early days is Jandor's Saddlebags...
>>
>>
>>Jandor's or Instill energy, hey.
>Instill Energy only works on your turn, so if he just waits until it's
>his turn, he can still nail your creatures. If you try to untap during
>your turn, he can respond to that and kill your creature. Untapping's
>just another fast effect unless it says it's not!
Forgive me if I misinterpret what you're saying here, but it sounds as though
you believe the following happens:
It's my turn, I have a tapped Ley Druid with Instill Energy on it. You
tap your Assassin to kill the Druid, I untap the Druid.
Note that the Druid lives here. The target of a fast effect must be legal
when it is declared _and_ when it is resolved. The LIFO fast effect
resolution ensures that the Druid is untapped before the assassin's poke
resolves - thus, it fizzles.
On the other hand, it IS legal to tap the assassin in response to untapping
the Druid, and this WILL work. But the green player would have to be
rather foolish to do this.
GAZZA
doctor
Weible) wrote:
> >In article <44ejad$d...@news.bu.edu>
> >Teresa Henchar <re...@bu.edu> wrote:
> >> The best defense against a royal assasin? I've always prefered the direct
> >> method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin is a 1/1
> >> creature.
Why not swords to plowshare it, use icaten javelineers, hand of justice,
lure it, rod of ruin, or aladdin ring
I am sure theres other ways these are just a few
Gary Sturgess
>>> The best defense against a royal assasin? I've always prefered the direct
>>> method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin is a 1/1
>>> creature.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cassandra, Queen of Cups
> Prodigal Sorcerers and flares are great but I think the original artical
>stated green or white only. That severely limits the choices. The only way
>I've managed to take a royal assassin (and it isn't very cost effective) is
>the elvish hunter. The assassin gets one good hit in but then has the problem
>of never untapping (as long as 2 mana is paid) There may be better ways but
>I'm still a newbie.
Actually, green/white has a few options. For example :
a) Killing the assassin. Easily accomplished with a Swords to Plowshares,
less easily with a Desert Twister.
b) Sparing a creature from the assassin. Instill Energy is the key here.
c) Avoiding the assassin. With Serra Angels or Rabit Wombats, the
assassin never gets a shot.
GAZZA
Gaea's servant
gun...@hic.net says...
I've always prefered the direct
>>> method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well,
since the Royal Assasin is a 1/1
>>> creature.
Jandor's saddlebags.
3+T = untap target creature
Gary Sturgess
>The best defense against a royal assasin? I've always prefered the direct
>method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin is a 1/1
>creature.
Trading a Tim for an assassin is a questionable bargain.
GAZZA
J. Andrew Lipscomb
Sturgess) wrote:
> gun...@hic.net (Gunther Von Weible) writes:
>
> >>> The best defense against a royal assasin? I've always prefered the direct
> >>> method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin
is a 1/1
> >>> creature.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cassandra, Queen of Cups
>
> > Prodigal Sorcerers and flares are great but I think the original artical
> >stated green or white only. That severely limits the choices. The only way
> >I've managed to take a royal assassin (and it isn't very cost effective) is
> >the elvish hunter. The assassin gets one good hit in but then has the
problem
> >of never untapping (as long as 2 mana is paid) There may be better ways but
> >I'm still a newbie.
>
> Actually, green/white has a few options. For example :
>
> a) Killing the assassin. Easily accomplished with a Swords to Plowshares,
> less easily with a Desert Twister.
>
> b) Sparing a creature from the assassin. Instill Energy is the key here.
>
> c) Avoiding the assassin. With Serra Angels or Rabit Wombats, the
> assassin never gets a shot.
>
> GAZZA
What--no one here ever heard of an Icatian Javelineer?
J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com>
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Better yet, use Ashnod's Transmogrant and Disenchant, Crumble, or
Scavenger Folk :).
StP, Desert Twister, Hand of Justice and Friends, Farrel's Mantle (love
Farrel's Mantle!) Lure,
Of these, I'd probably use StP or Desert Twister. In a G/W deck, a Royal
Assassin would be the classic type of target for StP.
>J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com>
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Tapani Utriainen <d3ta...@dtek.chalmers.se> wrote:
>
>The abyss.
I always liked the Jump-Earthbind combination. "He's flying! He's
falling! He's pancaked!" It prevents the Sorceress Queen or a Bad Moon
from saving him (as she would against a solo-Tim plink) But since
earthbind isn't in 4E, I've got two words for you: *Control Magic.* After
all...the best defense is a good offense!! ("You know who said that?
Mel...the cook on Alice!" ;^)
James, wondering how many people caught this reference...
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: In article <450dm5$9...@nyheter.chalmers.se>,
: I always liked the Jump-Earthbind combination. "He's flying! He's
: falling! He's pancaked!" It prevents the Sorceress Queen or a Bad Moon
: from saving him (as she would against a solo-Tim plink) But since
: earthbind isn't in 4E, I've got two words for you: *Control Magic.* After
: all...the best defense is a good offense!! ("You know who said that?
: Mel...the cook on Alice!" ;^)
: James, wondering how many people caught this reference...
I caught the reference, for one. Also, you can use all tournament legal cards
(an not waste as perfectly good creature enchantment) by using Vertigo instead
of Earthbind.
Boot to the head!
Jeremy
Marcotte Sharp Anderson
: In article <sturgess.812724230@marsh>, stur...@cs.curtin.edu.au (Gary
: Sturgess) wrote:
: > gun...@hic.net (Gunther Von Weible) writes:
: >
: > >>> The best defense against a royal assasin?
: > >>> I've always prefered the direct
: > >>> method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin
: > >>> is a 1/1
: > >>> creature.
: > >>>
: > >>>
: > >>> Cassandra, Queen of Cups
: What--no one here ever heard of an Icatian Javelineer?
Isn't that one of those FE? Those aren't supposed to be any good. But
then again, it's a common ;)
: J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com>
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Wakko Singer
: The best defense against a royal assasin? I've always prefered the direct
: method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin is a 1/1
: creature.
if he's summoned first the royal can tap and destroy the prodigal. The
best way I've seen is direct damage, or wait and use a netting imp after
he kills somrething. let's see...
Pyrochasm
Inferno
fissure
dark banishing
Direct damage.
Prodigal with instil energy (tap point, tap to destroy a tapped creature,
untap so the effect fizzles.)
weakness
Swords to plowshares.
Wrath of God
Blue - just control the beastie
any direct damage... soul burn ect.
or just play with Serra's Angels (they don't tap to attack, but watch out
for Icy Manipulators.)
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writes:
>Teresa Henchar (re...@bu.edu) wrote:
>: The best defense against a royal assasin? I've always prefered the
direct
>: method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin
is a 1/1
>: creature.
>
>if he's summoned first the royal can tap and destroy the prodigal.
Thomas Fagerlie Gundersen
>In article <mandrakeD...@netcom.com>, mand...@netcom.com (Wakko
>Singer) wrote:
>
>> Teresa Henchar (re...@bu.edu) wrote:
>> : The best defense against a royal assasin? I've always prefered the direct
>> : method. A Prodigal Sorcerer works so well, since the Royal Assasin is a 1/1
>> : creature.
>>
>> he kills somrething. let's see...
>
>
>J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com>
>PGP keys by request
>Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
Not if the Royal Assassin's controller also has an Icy Manipulator.
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: Greetings,
: I would like to hear some suggestions on the best defense against a
: Royal Assasin using a Green and\or White deck. Please e-mail me.
: mi...@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu
Disenchant his icys, then blast the bastard with Serra Angels and
Rabid Wombats.
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best solution is to play sword to plushare. tom
alan_kohler
that will do the job:
From homelands, use a giant oyster. Wait until he taps the assassin
(or give him a little help and use an enervate or a twiddle or Icy)
and use the oyster on it- the assassin dies next upkeep.
Keep a counterspell handy- he's sure to try to terror it if he has
one in his hand.
Eric Lewandowski
Lightnings) and you get a free card.
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