Spirit Link/Lord of the Pit - Combo!
Vivek Gupta
of the Pit and Spirit Link. Lord of the Pit does 7 Damage to the player
in control of it if he or she doesn't sacrifice a creature. You would
gain this Seven Life and lose it. You would be even.
This results in a 7/7 Flying Trample Creature with no Upkeep. This is a
great deck. (You CAN make a deck with this combo.)
If you make a deck out of this. You need some Disenchants and Dark
Rituals. Anything else?
-Vivek
Kenneth Coleman
>-Vivek
Unfortunately, this is not correct. The text of the Lord of the Pit
reads:
You MUST sacrifice one of your own creatures during your upkeep or
Lord of the Pit does 7 damage to you.
The result is that you have to sacrifice your creatures. If you run
out of creatures, then the Lord of the Pit becomes "upkeepless", but
not until then...
- Ken.
kcol...@ix.netcom.com
Steven Lim
>This results in a 7/7 Flying Trample Creature with no Upkeep. This is a
>great deck. (You CAN make a deck with this combo.)
>If you make a deck out of this. You need some Disenchants and Dark
>Rituals. Anything else?
Actually, you still have to pay upkeep for the LOTP if you have any
other creature. As the wording says " You MUST sacrifice..." It is not an
option.
However spirit link that Force of Nature and now we have a whole
different story. As you can only pay GGGG if you have it in your mana
pool it all depends on whether you want to tap your lands to have that
mana.
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Regards.
Steven Lim
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ja...@lehigh.edu
oleman) writes:
>Vivek Gupta <viv...@onramp.net> wrote:
>
>>One of my friends was telling me about this combonation that uses Lord
>>of the Pit and Spirit Link. Lord of the Pit does 7 Damage to the player
>>in control of it if he or she doesn't sacrifice a creature. You would
>>gain this Seven Life and lose it. You would be even.
>
>>great deck. (You CAN make a deck with this combo.)
>
>>If you make a deck out of this. You need some Disenchants and Dark
>>Rituals. Anything else?
>
>
>Unfortunately, this is not correct. The text of the Lord of the Pit
>reads:
>
> You MUST sacrifice one of your own creatures during your upkeep or
>
>The result is that you have to sacrifice your creatures. If you run
>out of creatures, then the Lord of the Pit becomes "upkeepless", but
>not until then...
if we interpret the card as you do, then the lord of the pit will never
become upkeepless, but the lord of the pit is, himself, "one of your own
creatures". therefore, you must sacrifice the LoP once you no longer have
any other creatures to sacrifice. furthermore, the rest of the text, "or
LoP does 7 damage to you," becomes meaningless. that is why i would
refute your interpretation, and accept the interpretation that you are
making a choice--either sacrifice a creature OR LoP does you 7 damage.
neither interpretation makes entire sense logically, seeing how the MUST
is in the text, but i doubt that they would have added the second clause
if it could never happen.
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Matt Price
From WOTC home page on the WWW.
" If you have a creature, you must sacrifice it. The ``or take 7
damage'' option can only be taken if no creature can be
sacrificed. [Duelist Magazine #3, Page 15]
You can sacrifice a Lord of the Pit to a different Lord of the
Pit, but you cannot simultaneously sacrifice them to each other.
[Aahz 9/14/94]
A sacrifice of a creature cannot be prevented by either player.
[Page 21]
Can select creatures with Protection from Black to be sacrificed.
[Aahz]
COP:Black can be used to avoid damage from being unable to pay the
upkeep. [Snark]
The Revised edition version of this card says that it cannot be
sacrificed to itself while the Limited and Unlimited editions do
not say this. It seems like errata to the pre-Revised cards will be
issued, but it has not yet."
Matt Price
mdp...@interaccess.com
SnowDog
][ if we interpret the card as you do, then the lord of the pit will never
][ become upkeepless, but the lord of the pit is, himself, "one of your own
][ creatures". therefore, you must sacrifice the LoP
It says on the card that you may not do so.
Official ruling states that you must sacrifice a creature. Period.
If you can't, you take 7.
Fourth edition makes this explicit:
During your upkeep, sacrifice a creature. If you cannot
sacrifice a creature, Lord of the Pit deals 7 damage to you.
You cannot sacrifice Lord of the Pit to itself.
But even before, it was the official ruling.
If you have a creature, you must sacrifice it.
The ``or take 7 damage'' option can only be taken if no
creature can be sacrificed. [Duelist Magazine #3, Page 15]
A little information goes a long way...
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Rob Ebling
>>Unfortunately, this is not correct. The text of the Lord of the Pit
>>reads:
>>
>> You MUST sacrifice one of your own creatures during your upkeep
or
>>Lord of the Pit does 7 damage to you.
^^
>>
>>The result is that you have to sacrifice your creatures. If you run
>>out of creatures, then the Lord of the Pit becomes "upkeepless", but
>>not until then...
>
never
> become upkeepless, but the lord of the pit is, himself, "one of your
own
longer have
> any other creatures to sacrifice. furthermore, the rest of the
text, "or
> LoP does 7 damage to you," becomes meaningless. that is why i would
> refute your interpretation, and accept the interpretation that you
are
> making a choice--either sacrifice a creature OR LoP does you 7
damage.
> neither interpretation makes entire sense logically, seeing how the
MUST
> is in the text, but i doubt that they would have added the second
clause
> if it could never happen.
cannot sacrifice LOP to itself.
M.Spierings
By the way, was the wording on the LotP changed in the new edition ?
I haven't seen it yet.
Thanks,
Mark
Scot P. Templeton
: Vivek Gupta <viv...@onramp.net> wrote:
: >This results in a 7/7 Flying Trample Creature with no Upkeep. This is a
: >great deck. (You CAN make a deck with this combo.)
: >If you make a deck out of this. You need some Disenchants and Dark
: >Rituals. Anything else?
: Actually, you still have to pay upkeep for the LOTP if you have any
: other creature. As the wording says " You MUST sacrifice..." It is not an
: option.
: However spirit link that Force of Nature and now we have a whole
: different story. As you can only pay GGGG if you have it in your mana
: pool it all depends on whether you want to tap your lands to have that
: mana.
The wording on FON is the same as LotP. I think the GGGG is manditory
and if you CANNOT pay, then you take the damage. I do not think it is
a choice.
Scot
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: Regards.
: Steven Lim
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Patrick Campbell
producing little 0/1 thrulls
d. cord hall
patrick> The best thing for LotP is to put out the Breeding Pit... just
patrick> keep producing little 0/1 thrulls
best way to nullify a LotP is gaseous form... hmm... a trampler that does 0
damage and will progressively eat up all your creatures. make sure that
when attacking to leave on flying creature to block. could even be a mesa
pegasus... =)
d.
Scott Koon
mspi...@news.Inter.NL.net says...
pit during your upkeep. If you cannot sacrifice a
creature the lord of the pit does 7 points of damage
to you."
No more of the "must" in the statement. No way around
it.
Scott Koon
KXJ...@prodigy.com says...
>
>The best thing for LotP is to put out the Breeding
>producing little 0/1 thrulls
>
Plus that white town that puts out 5 citizen counters
out(can't remember the name of the card but it is from
FE)
Between those two you have more than enough fodder for
the LOTP.
Of course there is always the LOTP/COP:Black combo
also.