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Craig Spencer
Apr 3, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/3/96
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Hello everyone.
I have an couple of questions.
I have an couple of questions.
1. Suppose you have a Howling Mine in play. Can you play fast
effects between the first draw, and the "Draw an extra card" effect?
My thought is yes, but I'd like a ruling confirmation on this.
2. Suppose now you have 2 Sylvan Libraries in play, and a Howling
Mine. Can you go:
Draw your first card.
Use Library 1.
Draw a card due to Howling Mine.
Use Library 2.
ie. Can you order the effects?
Perhaps another example could be:
2 Sylvan Libraries and a Millstone.
Draw card.
Use Library 1.
Mill yourself.
Use Library 2.
I would appreciate it if any responses could also include the
relevant rulings, as this is a group enquiry for some of us here.
Thanks,
Craig.
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Keith Gaertner
Apr 4, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/4/96
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Sorry, but you draw all 6 cards siultaneoisly(sp?). You must
then put back 4 or take damage. Even so, getting 2 out of 6
cards from the top of your library isn't bad.
then put back 4 or take damage. Even so, getting 2 out of 6
cards from the top of your library isn't bad.
Andrew Lambert
Apr 4, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/4/96
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Sorry that too is wrong. Wizards of the coast has ruled that each
library is resolved one at a time. YOu draw the two extra with the first
library, put them back and then use the next library to pick the same two
cards. Kind of pointless.
--
library is resolved one at a time. YOu draw the two extra with the first
library, put them back and then use the next library to pick the same two
cards. Kind of pointless.
--
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Ian Michael Bell
Apr 5, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/5/96
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What? Effects never resolve simutaneously. Sylvan Library say "draw 2
extra cards during your draw phase." What happens when two are in play
is as follows:
1. Draw 3 cards due to Library #1.
2. Return 2 cards to library, Library #1 is done resolving.
3. Sylvan Library #2 goes off, draw *2* cards.
4. Pay life or return those 2 cards.
Having two SLs in play does not give you a card advantage unless you pay
life - and if you're going to pay life, why not use Greed? Sylvan
Library's use is that it gives you a two-card head start in deck
development - not cards in play, but cards *seen.* It isn't cumulative.
(At least, not in a useful way.)
Ian Bell
ia...@uclink.berkeley.edu
Alan D Kohler
Apr 6, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/6/96
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In article <4k135e$a...@news.starnet.net>, ke...@mlnc.com says...
>
>Sorry, but you draw all 6 cards siultaneoisly(sp?). You must
>then put back 4 or take damage. Even so, getting 2 out of 6
>cards from the top of your library isn't bad.
>
>Sorry, but you draw all 6 cards siultaneoisly(sp?). You must
>then put back 4 or take damage. Even so, getting 2 out of 6
>cards from the top of your library isn't bad.
That's not the way it works. The use of the sylavan library's ability is an
indivisible event - you darw 2 extra with library A, then put 2 back, then
you can draw 2 extra cards with library B (the same two cards) and put two
back. You CANNOT start drawing two cards with library A, stop and draw 2
more with library B, and then put two back with A than 2 back with B. The
closest you can do to this is to not put 1 or 2 back with A, suffering the
loss of 4 life with each.
--
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Craig Sivils
Apr 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/8/96
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Ian Michael Bell <ia...@uclink.berekeley.edu> wrote:
>1. Draw 3 cards due to Library #1.
>2. Return 2 cards to library, Library #1 is done resolving.
2.5 Use feldons cane
>3. Sylvan Library #2 goes off, draw *2* cards.
>4. Pay life or return those 2 cards.
Here you make your 2nd mistake. You have to return two cards drawn
this turn. If you choose to return the card drawn during first
resolution, that is an option that doesn't require life.
>Having two SLs in play does not give you a card advantage unless you pay
>life - and if you're going to pay life, why not use Greed? Sylvan
>Library's use is that it gives you a two-card head start in deck
>development - not cards in play, but cards *seen.* It isn't cumulative.
>(At least, not in a useful way.)
And it give that two-card head start every time you shuffle your deck.
Avoiding a currently useless card is almost as good as drawing it to
get it out of the way.
You are correct that you don't get to use them both at once.
You are not correct that a 2nd one cannot be useful.
Craig
Riku Niittymäki
Apr 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/10/96
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csi...@blkbox.com (Craig Sivils) writes:
>>Having two SLs in play does not give you a card advantage unless you pay
>>life - and if you're going to pay life, why not use Greed? Sylvan
>>Library's use is that it gives you a two-card head start in deck
>>development - not cards in play, but cards *seen.* It isn't cumulative.
>>(At least, not in a useful way.)
>>Having two SLs in play does not give you a card advantage unless you pay
>>life - and if you're going to pay life, why not use Greed? Sylvan
>>Library's use is that it gives you a two-card head start in deck
>>development - not cards in play, but cards *seen.* It isn't cumulative.
>>(At least, not in a useful way.)
>And it give that two-card head start every time you shuffle your deck.
>Avoiding a currently useless card is almost as good as drawing it to
>get it out of the way.
Now, what happens if (Okay, so I dont have the fucking card right here, so
_forgive_ _me_ (Heh, anyone know which movie?)) you got two SLs and Island
sanc? You draw 3, return 2 and then "refuse" to draw the two more, to get
the IS benefits. Does it work?
Riksa
Craig Spencer
Apr 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/10/96
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In article <4k135e$a...@news.starnet.net>, Keith Gaertner <ke...@mlnc.com> writes:
>Sorry, but you draw all 6 cards siultaneoisly(sp?). You must
>then put back 4 or take damage. Even so, getting 2 out of 6
>cards from the top of your library isn't bad.
Sorry, the ruling has been that all effects occur atomically. That
is, once an effect is allowed to resolve, it must do so completely.
What happens in the Sylvan Library case is you draw 2 extra, choose
and replace according to the wording, and then using the next SL,
you draw 2 (if you wish) and choose and replace again.
These second 2 may be the same ones you put back in the first place,
unless you've used someother effect inbetween the 2 library usages,
or you held onto 1 or 2 of the extra draw cards, at 4 life each.
This is how cumulative Sylvan Libraries work.
Hope this helps,
George W. Bayles
Apr 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/11/96
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Riku Niittymäki (ri...@cc.joensuu.fi) wrote:
: csi...@blkbox.com (Craig Sivils) writes:
: >>Having two SLs in play does not give you a card advantage unless you pay
: >>life - and if you're going to pay life, why not use Greed? Sylvan
: >>Library's use is that it gives you a two-card head start in deck
: >>development - not cards in play, but cards *seen.* It isn't cumulative.
: >>(At least, not in a useful way.)
: csi...@blkbox.com (Craig Sivils) writes:
: >>Having two SLs in play does not give you a card advantage unless you pay
: >>life - and if you're going to pay life, why not use Greed? Sylvan
: >>Library's use is that it gives you a two-card head start in deck
: >>development - not cards in play, but cards *seen.* It isn't cumulative.
: >>(At least, not in a useful way.)
: >And it give that two-card head start every time you shuffle your deck.
: >Avoiding a currently useless card is almost as good as drawing it to
: >get it out of the way.
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* SPECIAL CARD (With DOB + Bin, Full Info) good bin, high balance:
30 CC Dob + Bin US = 450$
30 CC Dob + Bin UK = 500$
20 CC Dob + Bin CA = 500$
20 CC Dob + Bin AU = 500$
20 CC Dob + Bin EU = 600$
* SSN / DOB:
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===> Price for track1&2:
** Usa :101
- Visa Classic, MasterCard Standart =45$
- Visa Gold|Platinum|Business, MasterCard Gold|Platinum = 50$
- American Express = $50 (Without SID)
- Discover = $50
** Canada: 101 201
- Visa Classic, MasterCard Standart = 45$
- Visa Gold|Platinum|Business, MasterCard Gold|Platinum = 50$
** EU, UK: 101 201
- Classic|Standart = 60$
- Gold|Platinum = 70$
- Business|Signature|Purchase|Corporate|World = 100$
** ASIA/AUSTRALIA/Exotic: 101 201 121
- MasterCard| Visa Classic = $50
- Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business = $70
** Other countries: 101 201
- MasterCard| Visa Classic = 50$
- Visa Gold|Platinum|Corporate|Signature|Business = 70$
===> Price for track and Track 1 & 2(With/without Pin):
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- Tracks 1&2 US = 100$/1, No Pin 50$
- Tracks 1&2 UK = 110$/1, No Pin 60$
- Tracks 1&2 EU = 120$/1, No Pin 80$
- Tracks 1&2 AU = 120$/1, No Pin 80$
- Tracks 1&2 CA = 120$/1, No Pin
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$900 for MTCN $15000 (get MTCN vs Sender's details)
Give me your western union receive info and payment me fee. Then i will do transfer for you, After about 30 mins
* Selling Email and pass - Email leads:
1000 Email and pass of (US,UK,CA,EU,AU,..) and many other countries = 50$
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Bank transfer: Holder Name Use Bank + Number Account Bank + Bank Name + Address Full.
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- Account balance:
**US: (Bank of America,Chase,Wells Fargo...)
. Balance 3000$ = 300$
. Balance 6000$ = 500$
. Balance 8000$ = 600$
. Balance 12000$ = 800$
. Balance 15000$ = 1000$
. Balance 20000$ = 1200$
**UK: (LLOYDS TSB,BARCLAYS,Standard Chartered,HSBC...)
. Balance 3000 GBP = 400$
. Balance 6000 GBP = 600$
. Balance 10000 GBP = 800$
. Balance 12000 GBP = 900$
. Balance 16000 GBP = 1000$
. Balance 20000 GBP = 1500$
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- PayPal:
+ Sell Visa Debit US : 120$
+ Paypal with pass email = 60$/paypal
+ Paypal don't have pass email = 50$/Paypal
+ Paypal Veritified with balance and price (Email address + password) full infomation:
100$ = 1 Account PP 2000$
200$ = 1 Account PP 4500$
300$ = 1 Account PP 8500$
500$ = 1 Account PP 13000$
===> Price of ATM Card ($/£/€):
ATM card 4000$ = 250$
ATM card 7000$ = 450$
ATM card 6000$ = 350$
ATM card 8000$ = 750$
ATM card 2000£ = 150$
ATM card 5000£ = 300
=> MY RULES:
- Customer want test please buy for test and if the cc is good customer can buy more from me, pls dont ask free test and sample or screenshot with me.
- Customer buy over 15, I will discount for you.
- I have a replacement policy for bad cc. All my cc are inspected before sale.
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