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Darren Vierday

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Okay guys, this is border-line anal, but I play with about three
different groups, and with some cards like "Mijae Djinn" and "Mahamoti
Djinn," a game quickly turns into a "You say 'tomato', I say.."
routine. Did WotC ever put out a phonetic guide?

Just a silly point...
Darren Vierday
nic...@sak.com

Matt Himes

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Hmm, never had any problems with Mahamoti. Mijae is always good for an
arguement though. :-)
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Peter Eng

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Darren Vierday wrote:
>
> Okay guys, this is border-line anal, but I play with about three
> different groups, and with some cards like "Mijae Djinn" and "Mahamoti
> Djinn," a game quickly turns into a "You say 'tomato', I say.."
> routine. Did WotC ever put out a phonetic guide?
>
> Just a silly point...
> Darren Vierday
> nic...@sak.com
You think those are problems? Try getting opinions on "Kjeldoran," and
see how many people come up with a different answer. I've heard four
ideas so far, and two of them sound good.

Peter Eng

Roland Gau

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I've got a question about Necropotence: Is it NEE-cro-po-tense,
Neh-cro-po-tense, or Nuh-cra-po-tense?

And with Kjeldoran, someone mentioned a "ch" sound. I'd imagine that
the pronounciation would be like a K or harsh C, and not like a "sh."

I'd pronounce Mijae like "ma-hay", but I'm not sure if Djinn sounds like
Gin, or like Din. Any help here? Thanks.
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ice man

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Roland Gau wrote:
>
> I've got a question about Necropotence: Is it NEE-cro-po-tense,
> Neh-cro-po-tense, or Nuh-cra-po-tense?
I think it is pronounced the second way (Potence preceded by Necro)...as
in Necrophiliac. (Neh-CROW-PO-tense)

>
> And with Kjeldoran, someone mentioned a "ch" sound. I'd imagine that
> the pronounciation would be like a K or harsh C, and not like a "sh."
>

Sounds very swedis or nordic. "sh" perhaps, like in Dag Hammerskjold
(pronounced hammer-shall). Or maybe just "k."


> I'd pronounce Mijae like "ma-hay", but I'm not sure if Djinn sounds like
> Gin, or like Din. Any help here? Thanks.

I am pretty sure it is pronounced (or originally was pronounced) GIN. A
derivation of this word is Genie...

I have never herd of the word Mijae before, but I do think it was an
anagram for Jamie (one of Garfield's sibs or friends; read: Ifh-Biff,
how Garfield pronounced his sister's name [Elizabeth] when he was a
kid).

Troy Stepan

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I have been wondering that myself. I assume that Kjeldoran sounds like
KALE-DOOR-IN and Mahamoti Djinn is pronounced MA-HA-MA-TA DIN. I dunno,
it's my guess.

Troy

D. J. McCarthy

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Darren Vierday wrote:

> Okay guys, this is border-line anal, but I play with about three
> different groups, and with some cards like "Mijae Djinn" and "Mahamoti
> Djinn," a game quickly turns into a "You say 'tomato', I say.."
> routine.

I have always pronounced Mijae to rhyme with, well, DJ,
and Mahamoti as "ma-ha-MOE-tee".

The key is whether you pronounce "Kjeldoran" and "Taniwha" correctly:
"Kj" is usually pronunced like the English "ch", and "wh" in Maori,
which is the culture that brought us the word "Taniwha" in the first
place, is pronounced "f". Oh, and Maori doesn't accent any syllables.

So they're pronounced "Chel-DOOR-an" and "Ta-nee-fa".

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The Happy Blues Man

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Nov 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/16/96
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In article <328D34...@fireant.ma.utexas.edu>,
palk...@fireant.ma.utexas.edu wrote:

>Roland Gau wrote:
>>
>> I've got a question about Necropotence: Is it NEE-cro-po-tense,
>> Neh-cro-po-tense, or Nuh-cra-po-tense?
>I think it is pronounced the second way (Potence preceded by Necro)...as
>in Necrophiliac. (Neh-CROW-PO-tense)
>

I've pronounced it Neh-cro-po-tense. I haven't really heard it any other way.

>>
>> And with Kjeldoran, someone mentioned a "ch" sound. I'd imagine that
>> the pronounciation would be like a K or harsh C, and not like a "sh."
>>
>Sounds very swedis or nordic. "sh" perhaps, like in Dag Hammerskjold
>(pronounced hammer-shall). Or maybe just "k."

This I've heard pronounced many ways. I pronounce it JEL-dor-an. One of my
friends pronounces it KI-jel-dor'-an. I really don't know now for real.
Maybe someone from WotC could clear this one up.

>> I'd pronounce Mijae like "ma-hay", but I'm not sure if Djinn sounds like
>> Gin, or like Din. Any help here? Thanks.
>I am pretty sure it is pronounced (or originally was pronounced) GIN. A
>derivation of this word is Genie...
>
>I have never herd of the word Mijae before, but I do think it was an
>anagram for Jamie (one of Garfield's sibs or friends; read: Ifh-Biff,
>how Garfield pronounced his sister's name [Elizabeth] when he was a
>kid).

Mi-jay is how I pronounce this one. Djinn is pronounced Gin.

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Maarten Ferguson

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> The key is whether you pronounce "Kjeldoran" and "Taniwha" correctly:
>"Kj" is usually pronunced like the English "ch", and "wh" in Maori,
>which is the culture that brought us the word "Taniwha" in the first
>place, is pronounced "f". Oh, and Maori doesn't accent any syllables.
>
> So they're pronounced "Chel-DOOR-an" and "Ta-nee-fa".
>

Here we all pronounce it Kjel-Door-an with the kj like in 'cute'
But we in Holland are more used to this sort of words I think. I don't know if
this is (internationally seen) correct, but here nobody uses the 'ch' or 'sh'
sound

Maarten


Ryan Barker

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ice man wrote:

>
> Roland Gau wrote:
> >
> > but I'm not sure if Djinn sounds like
> > Gin, or like Din. Any help here? Thanks.
> I am pretty sure it is pronounced (or originally was pronounced) GIN. A
> derivation of this word is Genie...
I looked it up in The American Heritage Dictionary. It is pronounced
Jin
here's the definitions:
djinni (jin-E)n. Variant of jinni
jinni (jin-E)n., pl. jinn(jin) In moslem legend, a spirit capable of
assuming human or animal form and exercising supernatural influence
over men. (This explains the prevelant usage of Ehrnie and his
cousins)
the plural form of djinni is djinn and is pronounced the same way. Now
if only Necropotence, Kjeldoran, Mijae(mE-zhA??(zh = s in vision)), and
other monstrosities. :)

just my thoughts,
The Unknown Commodity

bryan_k

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Hey . . .

:> And with Kjeldoran, someone mentioned a "ch" sound. I'd imagine that


:> the pronounciation would be like a K or harsh C, and not like a "sh."
:>
:Sounds very swedis or nordic. "sh" perhaps, like in Dag Hammerskjold
:(pronounced hammer-shall). Or maybe just "k."

Around here, we call Kjeldoran <kyel-dor-an>. But, what I think is even
more interesting, is the ceaseless debate of SHIVAN. Is it <SHEE-van> or
<SHIV-en> or <SHY-van>? I have to go with choice number one, but most of
us are very split on it. I remembering reading somewhere that it is the
name of some God (War, battle, etc.) in another language. Anyone got
pronounciation or information on that?

Later

Bryan
Pala...@www.megahits.com

ice man

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> Around here, we call Kjeldoran <kyel-dor-an>.But, what I think is even

> more interesting, is the ceaseless debate of SHIVAN. Is it <SHEE-van>
> <SHIV-en> or <SHY-van>?
Hmmm...if you are talking about the Hindu God of destruction that would
be Shiva (pronounced SHEE-va)...

So I guess (if you wanted to be PC, it would be SHEEVAN Dragon.

mcc...@wku.edu

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Nov 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/17/96
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In article <328BD6...@sak.com>, Darren Vierday <nic...@sak.com> writes:
> Okay guys, this is border-line anal, but I play with about three
> different groups, and with some cards like "Mijae Djinn" and "Mahamoti
> Djinn," a game quickly turns into a "You say 'tomato', I say.."
> routine. Did WotC ever put out a phonetic guide?
>
> Just a silly point...
> Darren Vierday
> nic...@sak.com
As a side note:
Where I play, we pronounce 'mana' as 'man uh'. But we have a newer group of
players that have come into our ranks. They call if 'maw nuh' (like mono but
with an a at the end). How does everyone 'out there' pronounce 'mana'?

Seth Jaffee

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Nov 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/17/96
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For some reason I thought that the "Kj" in Kjeldoran was pronounced like
"Ky..." (Ke-yel-dor-an), kinda like Fjord (sp?) (Pronounced Fe-yord) in
Finland. I could, of course, be wrong on that one as well.

The Director

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Nov 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/17/96
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Don't know about the rest of the world, but here in the US, Kjeldoran,
is pronounced with the "j" silent. Phonetically, KEL-DOR-AN.

The Director

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Dennis Lucey

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Nov 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/17/96
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Hmmm...the word "omnipotence" is pronounced om-NIP-o-tense.
Instinctively, I pronounce "necropotence" ne-CROP-o-tense.

Everyone I know, though, says it NE-cro-PO-tense. Then again,
what's popular isn't always right. :)

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The Director

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Check your root words. Omni & Necro
Nothing similar there. Even if the suffix is the same, means
nothing in the usage of spoken English.
Remember, if the "Teacher Taught the classes," didn't the
"Preacher Praught the Masses?" I think not..

The Director,
"Roll VT-1"

Vaevictis Asmadi

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Nov 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/17/96
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Of all the cards in Magic, the one which I get into more
pronounciation debates than any other is Nevinyrral's Disk. Usually,
I just call it "The Disk," but when I do say it I pronounce it "NEV -
in - rahl", leaving that "y" silent. Everyone else pronounces it "nev
- IN - er - el" or "NEV - en - EAR - el". Maybe somebody should just
give Larry Niven a call and ask him how HE says his name backwards.

Also, how do you pronounce "Lich?" I've heard it pronounced with a
short 'i', either "lich" or "lick", and I've always pronounced it with
a long 'i', like "like".


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David Lee Sanders

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Nov 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/18/96
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This is a kinda cool thread. I am a graduating Linguistics major
currently enrolled in Historical Linguistics. It is sooo weird to see
the stuff we learn EXACTLY enacted on a thread. You all are performing
YEARS worth of phonetic "change" in a few days. Hell, I could almost
use this thread for a research paper...

By the way: I personally agree with the guy on /Ne-CRA-po-tens/, but,
realizing that "Necropotence" is not a "real" word in English (until
now, I guess), its "correct" pronunciation is a matter of speculation
(or, in this case, analogy...)

Sorry to go off on Linguistics, but I just want to say, "Keep this
thread going!"

Thanks,
Dave

Kevin Swan

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Nov 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/18/96
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Dennis Lucey (om...@avery.med.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
: Hmmm...the word "omnipotence" is pronounced om-NIP-o-tense.

: Instinctively, I pronounce "necropotence" ne-CROP-o-tense.

: Everyone I know, though, says it NE-cro-PO-tense. Then again,
: what's popular isn't always right. :)

I say NEC-ro-PO-tense. This sounds right to me, as it comes from the latin
NEC-ro: death. Think about other Necro words; necrophelia, necrophobia,
the accent is on the NEC.

Kev.

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Peter Eng

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Bryan, K wrote:
> Around here, we call Kjeldoran <kyel-dor-an>. But even
> more interesting is the debate of SHIVAN. Is it <SHEE-van> or
> <SHIV-en> or <SHY-van>? I go with choice number one, but most of
> us are very split on it. I remembering reading somewhere that it's the

> name of some God (War, battle, etc.) in another language. Anyone got
> pronounciation or information on that?
>
> Later
>
> Bryan
> Pala...@www.megahits.com

Most of the people I hear arguing that point are drawing from Shiva,
who hails from India. Under one interpretation, he is "..death, the
shatterer of worlds..," while other views are considerably more
benevolent. I'm not sure what WotC would say, since I suspect that
"Shivan" was tacked on during the rush to make the names more
flavorful. This, incidentally, is the same rush that made Angel into
Serra Angel...

Peter Eng

Kieron Mitchell

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Nov 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/18/96
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Dennis Lucey wrote:
[snip]
> Everyone I know, though, says it NE-cro-PO-tense. Then again,
> what's popular isn't always right. :)
>
> --
> Dennis Lucey

Actually, what's popular (when it comes to pronunciation), IS always
right. ;-)

km

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Darren Vierday

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Necropotence should be like "Necronomicon." Unless your playing with
Necco wafers as counters, then its Necco-potence! Ha-ho!

As far as Mijae, you got me. And now, I find that I have been mixing
the consonants on "Kjeldoran" and making it sound like "Keld-Joran."

(Y'know, back to the Necco-counters, Lord of the Pit would become really
fun to play.)

Djinn is pronounced "jinn," I've played enough D & D to know that. But
names like Teferi, Vaevictus Asmandi, and Suq' Ataqua Firewalkers are
just too uncommon to pronouce. Maybe WotC will produce a guide for
Christmas.

Again,

Darren

Kitrick Sonesen

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Nov 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/18/96
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I've always heard Nev's Disk called "The Disk". Occasionally, someone
will attemtp to display their literacy by calling it "Larry's Disk" but
most times it's just "The Disk".

As to Lich, around here it's pronounced "litch" rhyming with stitch.

Go figure.

Kit
KSon...@ns.net "Game on!"

Jeremy Fuller

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Bryan K wrote:

>Hey . . .

>:> And with Kjeldoran, someone mentioned a "ch" sound. I'd imagine that
>:> the pronounciation would be like a K or harsh C, and not like a "sh."
>:>
>:Sounds very swedis or nordic. "sh" perhaps, like in Dag Hammerskjold
>:(pronounced hammer-shall). Or maybe just "k."

>Around here, we call Kjeldoran <kyel-dor-an>.

That it is. =)

>But, what I think is even

>more interesting, is the ceaseless debate of SHIVAN. Is it <SHEE-van> or
><SHIV-en> or <SHY-van>? I have to go with choice number one, but most of


>us are very split on it.

Really? I use SHEE-ven, but most people around here use shee-VAHN.

>I remembering reading somewhere that it is the


>name of some God (War, battle, etc.) in another language. Anyone got
>pronounciation or information on that?

Uh, I remember the Hindu God Shiva (I think...), but nothing else.
It's pronounced SHEE-vuh, I think.
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Trevor Barrie

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seig...@cybercom.net (The Happy Blues Man) wrote:

>>> And with Kjeldoran, someone mentioned a "ch" sound. I'd imagine that
>>> the pronounciation would be like a K or harsh C, and not like a "sh."
>>>
>>Sounds very swedis or nordic. "sh" perhaps, like in Dag Hammerskjold
>>(pronounced hammer-shall). Or maybe just "k."
>

>This I've heard pronounced many ways. I pronounce it JEL-dor-an. One of my
>friends pronounces it KI-jel-dor'-an. I really don't know now for real.

I've always pronounced it with a "zh" sound... sounds more nordic to mine
uneducated ears.

>>> I'd pronounce Mijae like "ma-hay", but I'm not sure if Djinn sounds like


>>> Gin, or like Din. Any help here? Thanks.
>>I am pretty sure it is pronounced (or originally was pronounced) GIN. A
>>derivation of this word is Genie...
>

>Mi-jay is how I pronounce this one. Djinn is pronounced Gin.

"Djinn" I also pronounce with a "zh".


Daniel M Gray

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mcc...@wku.edu writes:

This is an age-old one. Even WotC is divided on this one. Some of
the WotC people say "man uh." Others(including Tom Wylie) say "maw nuh." If
they can't agree, how are we supposed to? :) For the record, I say "man uh,"
but something tells me that due to the words origins, it's probably "maw
nuh." I'll have to check the OED.
Dan Gray

Ian Warford

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Nov 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/19/96
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In article <56nlj4$p...@yakko.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, Vaevictis Asmadi wrote:
>Of all the cards in Magic, the one which I get into more
>pronounciation debates than any other is Nevinyrral's Disk. Usually,
>I just call it "The Disk," but when I do say it I pronounce it "NEV -
>in - rahl", leaving that "y" silent. Everyone else pronounces it "nev
>- IN - er - el" or "NEV - en - EAR - el". Maybe somebody should just
>give Larry Niven a call and ask him how HE says his name backwards.

I've always used "NEV in E ral".

>Also, how do you pronounce "Lich?" I've heard it pronounced with a
>short 'i', either "lich" or "lick", and I've always pronounced it with
>a long 'i', like "like".

I've only ever heard "lich" rhyming with "pitch".

--
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iwar...@nornet.on.ca


fp...@lehigh.edu

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In article <3290CD...@indy.net>, Kieron Mitchell <Kie...@indy.net> writes:
>Dennis Lucey wrote:
>[snip]
>> Everyone I know, though, says it NE-cro-PO-tense. Then again,
>> what's popular isn't always right. :)
>>
>> --
>> Dennis Lucey
>
>Actually, what's popular (when it comes to pronunciation), IS always
>right. ;-)
>
>km
>
Okay, here's a few I'd like to know:

Kjeldoran (silent k or silent j?)
Krovikan (CROW-vik-un or kruh-VIK-un?)
Soldevi (SOLD-a-vy, or sol-DEV-ee?)
Shivan (SHEE-van or SHIV-an?)
Wiitigo (WEE-it-TEE-go or just WHIT-ee-go or what?)
Chirurgeon (or however it's spelled, somebody told me this one's pronounced
"surgeon")
Tourach (TORE-ach,like it's spelled, or TOUR-ock, like Johan Sebastian Bach?)
Taiga (TIE-ja, or TAY-ja or what?)
Junun (as in Junun Efreet, the one truly useless flyer black has, JOON-un or
ja-NOON?)
Radjan (RAGE-an or RAJ-an?)
Jasconius (JACK-off, or jack-OFF?, :)


And while we're at it, is the word Hoar used anywhere else in the english
language? I summoned a Hoar Shade once and my mom got a little offended at my
language until I showed her the card.

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Joseph Thompson

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On 19 Nov 1996 fp...@Lehigh.EDU wrote:
> Kjeldoran (silent k or silent j?)

Silent K.

> Krovikan (CROW-vik-un or kruh-VIK-un?)

Prob. CROW-vik-un


> Chirurgeon (or however it's spelled, somebody told me this one's pronounced
> "surgeon")

They're right.

> Tourach (TORE-ach,like it's spelled, or TOUR-ock, like Johan Sebastian Bach?)

TOUR-ock.

> Taiga (TIE-ja, or TAY-ja or what?)

TIE-ja

> Jasconius (JACK-off, or jack-OFF?, :)

Nah, the correct name is "Big Fishie from Hell" :)

> And while we're at it, is the word Hoar used anywhere else in the english
> language? I summoned a Hoar Shade once and my mom got a little offended at my
> language until I showed her the card.

Yeah, it means gray. Technically the card should be a "Hoary
Shade" because it uses the adjective form, but it ain't.

Coot

Nafaroo the Collector

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On 19 Nov 1996 fp...@Lehigh.EDU wrote:

> And while we're at it, is the word Hoar used anywhere else in the english
> language? I summoned a Hoar Shade once and my mom got a little offended at my
> language until I showed her the card.
>

You'll notice that sometimes in the morning, there's a white coat of
frost on the grass. That is actually called "hoar frost." So it is a
real word.

adam

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Bennett

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In article <56reed$l...@clark.zippo.com>

iwar...@nornet.on.ca (Ian Warford) writes:

>
>In article <56nlj4$p...@yakko.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, Vaevictis Asmadi wrote:
>>Of all the cards in Magic, the one which I get into more
>>pronounciation debates than any other is Nevinyrral's Disk. Usually,
>>I just call it "The Disk," but when I do say it I pronounce it "NEV -
>>in - rahl", leaving that "y" silent. Everyone else pronounces it "nev
>>- IN - er - el" or "NEV - en - EAR - el". Maybe somebody should just
>>give Larry Niven a call and ask him how HE says his name backwards.
>
>I've always used "NEV in E ral".

I pronounce it as 'NEV-in-eye-ral'.


>
>>Also, how do you pronounce "Lich?" I've heard it pronounced with a
>>short 'i', either "lich" or "lick", and I've always pronounced it with
>>a long 'i', like "like".
>
>I've only ever heard "lich" rhyming with "pitch".

Yup. Comes from an old old word meaning 'man'.

>
>--
>Ian Warford
>iwar...@nornet.on.ca
>

Bennett

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In article <32910ca7...@news.peinet.pe.ca>

tba...@cycor.ca (Trevor Barrie) writes:

>
>seig...@cybercom.net (The Happy Blues Man) wrote:
>
>>>> And with Kjeldoran, someone mentioned a "ch" sound. I'd imagine that
>>>> the pronounciation would be like a K or harsh C, and not like a "sh."
>>>>
>>>Sounds very swedis or nordic. "sh" perhaps, like in Dag Hammerskjold
>>>(pronounced hammer-shall). Or maybe just "k."
>>
>>This I've heard pronounced many ways. I pronounce it JEL-dor-an. One of my
>>friends pronounces it KI-jel-dor'-an. I really don't know now for real.
>
>I've always pronounced it with a "zh" sound... sounds more nordic to mine
>uneducated ears.

I always said KIEL-doran, but that's just me.


>
>>>> I'd pronounce Mijae like "ma-hay", but I'm not sure if Djinn sounds like
>>>> Gin, or like Din. Any help here? Thanks.
>>>I am pretty sure it is pronounced (or originally was pronounced) GIN. A
>>>derivation of this word is Genie...
>>
>>Mi-jay is how I pronounce this one. Djinn is pronounced Gin.
>
>"Djinn" I also pronounce with a "zh".
>

Djinn is 'GIN', it's where our word genie comes from. It's really
Djinni, the plural form of Djinn.

Nicholas Jong

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dg...@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Daniel M Gray) wrote:

> This is an age-old one. Even WotC is divided on this one. Some of
>the WotC people say "man uh." Others(including Tom Wylie) say "maw nuh." If
>they can't agree, how are we supposed to? :) For the record, I say "man uh,"
>but something tells me that due to the words origins, it's probably "maw
>nuh." I'll have to check the OED.

Well, according to Webster's New World Dictionary, "mana" is
pronounced with the stress on the first syllable and with a's as in
"car". (The definition they give: "in some indigenous beliefs, as in
Polynesia, a dynamic supernatural power or influence dwelling in and
flowing from certain individuals, spirits, or things and capable of
producing great good or evil")

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Bennett

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In article <56rkdc$2h...@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>

fp...@Lehigh.EDU writes:

>
>In article <3290CD...@indy.net>, Kieron Mitchell <Kie...@indy.net> writes:
>>Dennis Lucey wrote:
>>[snip]
>>> Everyone I know, though, says it NE-cro-PO-tense. Then again,
>>> what's popular isn't always right. :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dennis Lucey
>>
>>Actually, what's popular (when it comes to pronunciation), IS always
>>right. ;-)
>>
>>km
>>
>Okay, here's a few I'd like to know:
>

these are my pronunciations...


>Kjeldoran (silent k or silent j?)

Ki-el-dor-an

>Krovikan (CROW-vik-un or kruh-VIK-un?)

KROV-ick-an

>Soldevi (SOLD-a-vy, or sol-DEV-ee?)

Sol-DEV-ee

>Shivan (SHEE-van or SHIV-an?)
She-van (comes from hindu god shiva)


>Wiitigo (WEE-it-TEE-go or just WHIT-ee-go or what?)

Actually, it's supposed to be Windigo, but we'll skip that. I say
WITT-ih-go


>Chirurgeon (or however it's spelled, somebody told me this one's pronounced
> "surgeon")

yup, surgeon.


>Tourach (TORE-ach,like it's spelled, or TOUR-ock, like Johan Sebastian Bach?)

Tuer-ack


>Taiga (TIE-ja, or TAY-ja or what?)

TAY-gah


>Junun (as in Junun Efreet, the one truly useless flyer black has, JOON-un or
> ja-NOON?)

I say HOO-noon, but some say JOO-noon

>Radjan (RAGE-an or RAJ-an?)

I say RAD-yan, but some say RA-djan


>Jasconius (JACK-off, or jack-OFF?, :)
>
>
>And while we're at it, is the word Hoar used anywhere else in the english
>language? I summoned a Hoar Shade once and my mom got a little offended at my
>language until I showed her the card.

Yes, hoar is similar to frost. I think you'll find it used in the
RIme of the Ancient Mariner.


On a side note, I've always said neh-KROP-o-tense, instead of
NECK-row-po-tense. KInd of like Necropolis, y'know, Necropotence.

Peter Eng

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fp...@Lehigh.EDU wrote:
>
> In article <3290CD...@indy.net>, Kieron Mitchell <Kie...@indy.net> writes:
> Okay, here's a few (pronunciations) I'd like to know:

>
> Kjeldoran (silent k or silent j?)
Damned if I know.
> Krovikan (CROW-vik-un or kruh-VIK-un?)
Since it relates to the city of Krov, I would try setting the syllables
as "krov-ik-an."
> Soldevi (SOLD-a-vy, or sol-DEV-ee?)
SOL-de-vi?
> Shivan (SHEE-van or SHIV-an?)
I prefer SHEE-van, matching the Hindu god Shiva.

> Wiitigo (WEE-it-TEE-go or just WHIT-ee-go or what?)
This one, you should look up. It is a Native American legend, if I
remember correctly.

> Chirurgeon (or however it's spelled, somebody told me this one's
> pronounced "surgeon")
I'm not sure, but I think that is correct. Try an unabridged
dictionary for this one.

> Tourach (TORE-ach,like it's spelled, or TOUR-ock, like Johan Sebastian Bach?)
I always preferred TOUR-ock.

> Taiga (TIE-ja, or TAY-ja or what?)
TIE-guh is my preferred, but it's probably better to look this one up,
since it is a real thing as well.

> Junun (as in Junun Efreet, the one truly useless flyer black has, JOON-un or ja-NOON?)
No idea
> Radjan (RAGE-an or RAJ-an?)
RAHD-jan?

> Jasconius (JACK-off, or jack-OFF?, :)
>
> And while we're at it, is the word Hoar used anywhere in the english
> language?
Hoarfrost, hoary mists...it's mainly used in poetry any more. You might
find it in an abridged dictionary, or you might need to go unabridged
for this one.

Peter Eng

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Kevin Swan wrote:
> Think about other Necro words; necrophelia, necrophobia,

necropolis...

See, there's where the confusion's coming from.

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David Schwartz

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"D. J. McCarthy" writes:
> I have always pronounced Mijae to rhyme with, well, DJ,

Mmm, I usually pronounce it 'me-ji' (both long).

> The key is whether you pronounce "Kjeldoran" and "Taniwha" correctly:
>"Kj" is usually pronunced like the English "ch", and "wh" in Maori,
>which is the culture that brought us the word "Taniwha" in the first
>place, is pronounced "f". Oh, and Maori doesn't accent any syllables.

> So they're pronounced "Chel-DOOR-an" and "Ta-nee-fa".

Well, you got Taniwha right. (Greetings from Aetearoa!)

I heard from someone from WotC (can't remember the name), that
Kjeld (and all it's derivitives) is pronounced k-YELD. The 'k'
is almost silent. So, it's more proper to say 'yeld', that 'keld'.

ice man writes:
>I am pretty sure it is pronounced (or originally was pronounced) GIN. A
>derivation of this word is Genie...

Actually, the word Genie is not related to the word Djinni.
Genie, in ancient Greek, is a guardian angel. And due to
similar pronounciation and meaning, it was confused (and
still is) with the Arabic Djinni (pronounced jin-nee), the
plural of which is Djinn (jin).

mccoyje writes:
>Where I play, we pronounce 'mana' as 'man uh'. But we have a newer group of
>players that have come into our ranks. They call if 'maw nuh' (like mono but
>with an a at the end). How does everyone 'out there' pronounce 'mana'?

Mana is a Polynesian word meaning power. It's become a popular
term in fantasy gaming. In Polynesian languages, it's pronounced
'mah-nuh'. But, I'm ashamed to say, even here in the South Pacific,
we pronounce it 'man-nuh' (like the food from heaven).

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Kevin Swan

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OfficeLAN User ("OfficeLANUser"@ccm.fm.intel.com) wrote:

: Kevin Swan wrote:
: > Think about other Necro words; necrophelia, necrophobia,

: necropolis...

: See, there's where the confusion's coming from.

I think the pronounciation there is more influenced by "Metropolis". This
is a case of 2 conflicting conventions.

Bennett

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In article <32932...@131.162.2.91>

013...@news.acadiau.ca (Kevin Swan) writes:

>
>OfficeLAN User ("OfficeLANUser"@ccm.fm.intel.com) wrote:
>: Kevin Swan wrote:
>: > Think about other Necro words; necrophelia, necrophobia,
>
>: necropolis...
>
>: See, there's where the confusion's coming from.
>
>I think the pronounciation there is more influenced by "Metropolis". This
>is a case of 2 conflicting conventions.
>

As Necropotence is influenced by omnipotence (ohm NIP oh tense), or
impotence. It's not im-potence, or om-nipotence.

Arson

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> Okay, here's a few I'd like to know:

>
> Kjeldoran (silent k or silent j?)

I've always said Keel-door-ahn

> Krovikan (CROW-vik-un or kruh-VIK-un?)

Krov-ih-kan

> Soldevi (SOLD-a-vy, or sol-DEV-ee?)

Sohl-deh-vi

> Shivan (SHEE-van or SHIV-an?)

Shee-vahn

> Wiitigo (WEE-it-TEE-go or just WHIT-ee-go or what?)

We-it-ih-go

> Chirurgeon (or however it's spelled, somebody told me this one's pronounced
> "surgeon")

That's pronounced kie-rur-jahn, but it means surgeon. The practice of
it is called Kie-rur-ja-ree.

> Tourach (TORE-ach,like it's spelled, or TOUR-ock, like Johan Sebastian Bach?)

Too-rahck

> Taiga (TIE-ja, or TAY-ja or what?)

Tie-gah

> Junun (as in Junun Efreet, the one truly useless flyer black has, JOON-un or
> ja-NOON?)

Ja-nun

> Radjan (RAGE-an or RAJ-an?)

Rah-zshan

> Jasconius (JACK-off, or jack-OFF?, :)

What you call your fat little brother :o) Jas-con-ee-us



> And while we're at it, is the word Hoar used anywhere else in the english
> language? I summoned a Hoar Shade once and my mom got a little offended at my
> language until I showed her the card.

It means 'grey'. Words like it are Hoary , Hoariness, hoarfrost and
hoarhound.

Of the other words being discussed, I think Necropotence is pronounced
Neck-row-poh-tense, because it seems like it should give accent to both
words. Djinn in pronounced jin.

Arson :o)

Janek Klawe

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In article <56kuk3$i...@lana.zippo.com>, <Bryan K> wrote:
>Around here, we call Kjeldoran <kyel-dor-an>. But, what I think is even

>more interesting, is the ceaseless debate of SHIVAN. Is it <SHEE-van> or
><SHIV-en> or <SHY-van>? I have to go with choice number one, but most of
>us are very split on it. I remembering reading somewhere that it is the

>name of some God (War, battle, etc.) in another language. Anyone got
>pronounciation or information on that?

Normally I wouldn't respond, since I'm so behind on this NG, but I believe it
was named after Shiva, a Hindu god of destruction. As such, it is pronounced
SHEE-van.
BTW, I pronounce Kjeldoran kyel-dor-an...but then, I pronounce almost all j's
in Ice Age as y's.

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Steve Scott

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A very interesting thread indeed. Here are some of the ways
I pronounce some of the cards (correct or incorrect, amusing or
boring):

Ankh of Mishra (Onk of MEE-shra)
Conservator (Con-serv-a-Tor)
Cyclopean Tomb (SI-CLOPE-e-an Toom)
Fungusaur (Fung-us-Or)
Gaea's Liege (GA-az Leej)
Helm of Chatzuk (Helm ov Chat-zuk)
Icy Manipulator (I See mana pool later ... heh)
Jayemdae Tome (JI-em-Day Toom)
Lich (Litch)
Llanowar Elves (la-na-Wor Elvz)
Mahamoti Djinn (Ma-Ha-MO-tee Jeen)
Nevinyrral's Disk (Nev-a-ner-ulz Disk)
Obsianus Golem (Ob-see-a-nus Go-lum)
Orcish Oriflamme (Ork-ish Or-i-flam)
Psionic Blast (SY-o-nik Blast)
Roc of Kher Ridges (Rok uv Ker Ridjes)
Sengir Vampire (Seng-EER Vam-PYR)
Shivan Dragon (Shi-vun Dra-gon or Shi-Von Dra-gon)
Taiga (TAY-ga)
Two-Headed Giant of Foriys (Two headed giant of four eyes ... heh ;)
Uthden Troll (Uth-den Trowl)
Verduran Enchantress (Ver-dur-an En-chan-tress)
Vesuvan Doppelganger (Va-SOOV-an Dop-Pel-Gang-Er)

Anyway, that's just a few. Dinner calls.


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Trevor Barrie

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Joseph Thompson <co...@walker0-194.reshall.ou.edu> wrote:

>> And while we're at it, is the word Hoar used anywhere else in the english
>> language? I summoned a Hoar Shade once and my mom got a little offended at my
>> language until I showed her the card.
>

> Yeah, it means gray.

Either gray or ancient.

>Technically the card should be a "Hoary Shade" because it uses the adjective
>form, but it ain't.

My dictionary lists "hoar" as an adjective that means "hoary", so their
usage is fine. ("Hoar" can apparently also be a noun meaning "hoarfrost".
One would think the compound and suffixed words would be defined in terms of
the base, not vice versa...)


Arson

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> Well, here is a question, who does know how to pronounce the word
> Djinn correctly? I thought the correct pronunciation is 'gin' as in the
> card game or alcohol. But, alot of people like to add the 'duh' in
> there for a 'duh gin' pronunciation. Could it be 'dy inn' as in 'kyel
> door ann'? I too am found playng a game of Magic that turns into "No
> this is how you say it...". One more point/note/whatever, it is
> 'my-hay' right? =)

I don't know about the Mijae however-you-spell-it (I say 'Mih-zhay')
but Djinn is pronounced 'jin' according to most Dictionaries.

> P.S. Let's not go too far with this thing, this is a Magic strategy
> forum not Magic grammar. Heh..

What about Magic grammar?? You should be able to have a card like
that.

Mispronunciation 1UU

Instant

Target spell that targets you, which causes damage or loss of cards in
hand, now targets the player of your choice. The new target must be
legal.

The reason for the little casting cost is because a lot of cards say
'target opponent' and those would not be able to be directed back at the
caster. Also, the range of effects that this spell deal with are
limited. :o)

Arson :o)

Randy Monk

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Just for the record, it's _pronunciation_, not pronounciation.
--
Randy Monk

Kevin Mendel

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Randy Monk wrote:

> Just for the record, it's _pronunciation_, not pronounciation.

that's pro-NUN-see-AY-shun...

Kevin

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