LEVIATHAN 4E easier use combos
Tim Kadom
>
>Has anyone noticed that LEVIATHAN (10/10 trample. Blue creautre. Sacrifice
>2 Islands to untap and 2 islands to attack)
>is much easier to use in the 4th edition.
>
>With all the TWIDDLES (untap or tap any artifact, creature...) you can
>untap LEVIATHAN without the 2 island upkeep.
>
>With the new rules allowing Sacrifices to discards when using the
>LIBRARY OF LENG....You can now discard 2 islands to you library instead
>of the graveyard when attacking with LEVIATHAN and using the LIBRARY
>OF LENG. Of course, you would only get back those 2 islands on your next
>2 turns....but all this makes it easier to use the once unusable
>LEVIATHAN.
>
you still would paralyze yourself with the two island attack cost. Lev. is
best used for a spawning bed, or a life chisel. now the Colossus of
sardia is a gem! you could use energy tap to get him out faster, or just
hold him in your hand, (along with other huge critters you can not cast) and
use the coral helm to get them into your graveyard (with the added bonus
of giving one of your critters +2/+2. Then of course animate dead. and
jandors to untap. the blue black combo is a bit too costly and depends
on too many cards. but blue green isnt that bad. You get fast mana from
green, plus the energy tap from blue, then once he is out you can use the
old instill energy (if you add a few red, then eternal warrior him). Of
course you get to do all that just to watch your opponent spirit link him,
or disenchant him, or control him, or worse yet creature bond, and then
detonate him...
-Mercenary
Tyler A. Baker
>
>
>Has anyone noticed that LEVIATHAN (10/10 trample. Blue creautre. Sacrifice
>2 Islands to untap and 2 islands to attack)
>is much easier to use in the 4th edition.
>
>With all the TWIDDLES (untap or tap any artifact, creature...) you can
>untap LEVIATHAN without the 2 island upkeep.
>
>With the new rules allowing Sacrifices to discards when using the
>LIBRARY OF LENG....You can now discard 2 islands to you library instead
>of the graveyard when attacking with LEVIATHAN and using the LIBRARY
>OF LENG. Of course, you would only get back those 2 islands on your next
>2 turns....but all this makes it easier to use the once unusable
>LEVIATHAN.
>
Whoa, Library of Leng won't save cards in play. But consider adding
Land tax to get those needed islands.
The FAT Mage,
And Corum heard a voice which said, "This is as it should be.
Neither Law nor Chaos must dominate the destinies of the
mortal planes. There must be equilibrium." --The first book of Corum.
Joseph William Dixon
: With the new rules allowing Sacrifices to discards when using the
: LIBRARY OF LENG....You can now discard 2 islands to you library instead
: of the graveyard when attacking with LEVIATHAN and using the LIBRARY
: OF LENG. Of course, you would only get back those 2 islands on your next
: 2 turns....but all this makes it easier to use the once unusable
: LEVIATHAN.
: Doug
No, the ruling is that all references to sacrificing cards from your
hand should be read as discarding them, thus letting you use the Library
of Leng to place them where you wish - library or graveyard. Removing
cards from play to the graveyard is *not* a discard under current rules,
no matter what the card/effect you are using says.
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On Tue, 16 May 1995, Lori Fry wrote:
>
> Has anyone noticed that LEVIATHAN (10/10 trample. Blue creautre. Sacrifice
> 2 Islands to untap and 2 islands to attack)
> is much easier to use in the 4th edition.
>
> With all the TWIDDLES (untap or tap any artifact, creature...) you can
> untap LEVIATHAN without the 2 island upkeep.
>
> With the new rules allowing Sacrifices to discards when using the
> LIBRARY OF LENG....You can now discard 2 islands to you library instead
> of the graveyard when attacking with LEVIATHAN and using the LIBRARY
> OF LENG. Of course, you would only get back those 2 islands on your next
> 2 turns....but all this makes it easier to use the once unusable
> LEVIATHAN.
I think you misread the new rules for the library of leng. It allows
cards sacrificed from your hand to be placed on the library (this
effictively changes the text of cards reading 'sacrifice from hand' to
'discard'). Since Leviathan sacrifices from play you can not use the
Library to place to put the cards on to your library.
> Doug
>
>
Eduard Willem Lohmann
Consider putting an eternal Warrior on the Leviathan,
You can get your islans back, but you can only put down 1 per turn,
if not using untamed whilds, but i guess the islands are worth it for attacking
with a 10/10 trample.
Daniel Kline
Even better, try a Collosus. No need to pay that 9 colorless to
untap.
WyVern; e-mail:dkl...@ma.org
Eric A. Petrusic
Why is that better? 9/9 Trample instead of 10/10 Trample? Maybe if you're
afraid of twiddle or word of binding or something, I suppose...
Eric A. Petrusic "It's people like you
eap...@psuvm.psu.edu what cause unrest"
e...@icf.hrb.com
Michael A. Schuler
only to untap! Leviathan, on the other hand, had non-recoverable costs
but it has cost to both attack and untap. Twiddle fixes the problem of
untapping for both, but the Leviathan still has to eat those islands
every time you want to attack!
If you play blue-green, you can also add the card instill energy which
will let you "twiddle" the creature every turn!
Larry Medwin
-Me
Lord Bertrand
>
>
>Consider putting an eternal Warrior on the Leviathan,
>
>You can get your islans back, but you can only put down 1 per turn,
>if not using untamed whilds, but i guess the islands are worth it for attacking
>with a 10/10 trample.
Here's a combo: Leviathan with Instill Energy + Land Tax. Since you'll
almost always have less lands, you can keep grabbing islands to feed the
Leviathan!
Just my $0.02,
Lord Bertrand
James Mortensen
>
>Noritt
>
>-Me
Hmmmm...ok, thanks for ALL that info. Anyway, that solves the problem of
untapping Leviathan, but what about the 2 Island attack cost? I don't
know about anyone else, but there ain't no way in hell I'm sacrificing 2
Islands (unless I'm playing with/against stasis decks). The only thing I
can come up with is Untamed Wilds, which only lets you draw another land,
so you won't be mana-strained (hmmmm...Untamed wilds and Stasis...COOL!).
-Jim
Sivar
> -Jim
first, there isn't any way to get around the 2 island attack cost ( which
I personally think is worth it most of the time 2 island to 10 points of
damage to your opponent? think about that for a while) but you might try
Land Tax to provide the land to sacrifice and Eternal Warrior or Instill
Energy to avoid the untap cost as well as the Noritt.
-Lord Sivar, Polymage
People are stupid. - Wizard's first rule.
R. Bain
(If you can come up with another way to untap the Leviathan, you can attack
every other turn.)
A103657
leviathan. Use Arena. The special cards that came with the first magic
book. It allows you to put one of your creatures up against one of your
opponent's creatures. They do their damage to each other and they become
tapped.
This isn't an attack, so no cost for the leviathan.
Bo Flynn
: Actually there is a way to get around the two island cost for the
You can't kill your opponent with Arena though.
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Takin' retards to the zoo.
Jammer
: Leviathan + Land Tax.
: (If you can come up with another way to untap the Leviathan, you can attack
: every other turn.)
Norritt. Common Ice Age. 3B
"T: untap target blue creature, T: Force target non-wall creature to
attack. If target creature cannot attack, then it is destroyed at end of
turn."
Done. :)
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John Wiest
says...
>
>I missed the reset of the thread. Obviously things like
>Instill Energy, Jandor's Saddlebags, twiddle... help avoid
>the untap cost but then theres the attacking problem. Makes a good
>blocker though
>
>Any ways to avoid payingthe attacking cost?
Use Arena. Of course you'll have to either buy the book more than once
or trade for more for this to be a more viable combination.
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John Wiest
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Joseph Tan
With the new ICE AGE cards U could use the Norritt - a 3B 1/1 creature
where U could TAP it to either 1) Untap a blue creature or
2) Nettling imp stuff (tap to force ..)
Yep ICE AGE does have some pretty neat cards!
Go the Norritt/Leviathan combo.
10 pts trample anyone?
Joseph Tan (singapore)