Florida Championships... Andrew Pacifico's Abeyance Deck
DrPacifico
This deck proves that blue is the strongest color in magic, because every
deck that i played that didn't have blue in it lost on the 6-7th turn
every game... you're gonna have to test it out, but if you play it right,
you can abeyance every turn for the rest of the game if you get a howling
mine/anvil of bogardan on the draw...
Artifact
4 Howling Mine
3 Anvil of Bogardan
White
4 Abeyance
2 Gerrard's Wisdom
3 Swords to Plowshare
2 Wrath of God
2 Disenchant
1 Island Sanctuary
Blue
4 Arcane Denial
2 Counterspell
2 Force of Will
1 Dissipate
2 Mistical Tutor
2 Relearn
4 Recall
Green
2 Gaea's Blessing
I'm not gonna tell you how to play the deck, your just gonna have to do
that by yourself, but i just felt that since after the tournement 10-20
people had pens and paper in the final game writing down my deck, i felt i
should take credit for it before someone else did =) ... Thanks for
reading, and have fun time walkin =)
DrPacifico
Oh forgot the land =( ...
Had 7 Islands, 6 Plains, 1 City of Brass, 2 Undiscovered Paradise, 2
Brushlands, 1 Adarkar Wastes, and 1 Gemstone mine =) ... Thanks for
reading
Andrew Pacifico
yeah, i'm still tryin to find room for feast or famine in the sideboard ;
) hehe... later all
rein_x
So how exactly does it win? I guess you could deck them, but there is a
time limit in tournaments.
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rein_x wrote:
> So how exactly does it win? I guess you could deck them, but there is
> a
> time limit in tournaments.
This deck (Turbo-Abeyance) wins by decking. At first it may seem that
this would take far too long, but with 4 Howling Mines and 3 Anvils of
Bogardan standard, decking comes a lot faster than one might expect.
-Tim Guillette
Enufznuf42
> I guess you could deck them, but there is a
>time limit in tournaments.
turbo abeyance is very fast; saying that makes it fairly obvious you
have neither played with or against it. Give it a try before you decide
whether or not it will work.
by the way, in case you didn't notice, Andrew posted this AFTER he
won a PTQ event in Florida...guess he made the time limit, huh?
TRA ENVIRO
>I'm not gonna tell you how to play the deck, your just gonna have to do
>that by yourself, but i just felt that since after the tournement 10-20
>people had pens and paper in the final game writing down my deck, i felt
i
>should take credit for it before someone else did =) ... Thanks for
>reading, and have fun time walkin =)
Whatever, guy. This deck is a terrible rip-off of the Turbo Abeyance deck
played by Brian Weissman, Chris Pantages and Heath Jennings at US
Nationals, only with an addition of green, too little mana and worthless
Anvils.
Next time, try not to take credit for other people's ideas, and at least
alter a deck by more than 5 or 6 cards before you call it your own.
jason
>I'm not gonna tell you how to play the deck, your just gonna have to do
>that by yourself, but i just felt that since after the tournement 10-20
>people had pens and paper in the final game writing down my deck, i felt
i
>should take credit for it before someone else did =) ... Thanks for
>reading, and have fun time walkin =)
Whatever, guy. This deck is a terrible rip-off of the Turbo Abeyance
deck
played by Brian Weissman, Chris Pantages and Heath Jennings at US
Nationals, only with an addition of green, too little mana and worthless
Anvils.
Worthless Anvils....You have much to learn, young Jedi....
jason
Guest User
> that by yourself, but i just felt that since after the tournement 10-20
> people had pens and paper in the final game writing down my deck, i felt i
> should take credit for it before someone else did =) ... Thanks for
> reading, and have fun time walkin =)
-Paul T.
Sorry,I find all this boasting amusing if he played this in the state
championships. :)
Nate Clarke
Dude, it's on thing to rip off a deck and play it at
a tournament..It's another thing to rip off a deck and then
claim credit for it.. This is basically the exact deck weissman
played at nationals..It's ok, you'll get em next time..
-Nate C.
TRA ENVIRO
>Worthless Anvils....You have much to learn, young Jedi....
Sorry guy. In all fairness, I probably know how to play a Turbo Abeyance
deck 1,000,000 times better than the "Florida State Junior Champion", so I
guess it follows that I should know that an Anvil of Bogardan is a pile of
crap in a deck that needs to keep lots of key cards in hand. Go ahead,
put it out turn two. Now stop playing land or your hand size is going to
become a big fat nothing within a few turns. Good job. Every control
deck needs multiple ways to force it to scepter itself every turn and lose
mana advantage.
An Anvil is good (and ONLY good) when you already have a Howling Mine or
two in play. Turbo Abeyance has the redeeming quality of being able to
survive until a Howling Mine is put into play. If you get stuck drawing
Anvils early instead of those key survival spells (which you replaced to
put in Anvils), you're toast.
DrPacifico
I was a junior man... =) hey, it's easier to win that way ; ) ... of
course though, after i saw how the deck worked, i was kickin myself for
not entering masters =( ... Oh and Al, if your reading this... Good game
=) ... your deck was fun to play against... ( 5th round ) ... Later all!
Andrew Pacifico... pesky junior =)
Eric Covener
TRA ENVIRO wrote:
>
> >I'm not gonna tell you how to play the deck, your just gonna have to do
> >that by yourself, but i just felt that since after the tournement 10-20
> >people had pens and paper in the final game writing down my deck, i felt
> i
> >should take credit for it before someone else did =) ... Thanks for
> >reading, and have fun time walkin =)
>
> played by Brian Weissman, Chris Pantages and Heath Jennings at US
> Nationals, only with an addition of green, too little mana and worthless
> Anvils.
>
> alter a deck by more than 5 or 6 cards before you call it your own.
Dick". But you don't see him giving any credit...
Ronin
On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:38:50 -0700, Eric Covener <cov...@netaxs.com>
wrote:
>> Whatever, guy. This deck is a terrible rip-off of the Turbo Abeyance deck
>> played by Brian Weissman, Chris Pantages and Heath Jennings at US
>> Nationals, only with an addition of green, too little mana and worthless
>> Anvils.
>>
>> Next time, try not to take credit for other people's ideas, and at least
>> alter a deck by more than 5 or 6 cards before you call it your own.
> And Weissman was playing a cheap Knockoff of Nate Clarke's "The
>Dick". But you don't see him giving any credit...
so does two wrong make one right? Regardless of whether Weissman gave
credit or not, it is wrong to claim credit of a deck if you didn't
design it.
Peace,
Ronin
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"Pheddagriff is an awesome card."
Al Sousa
Well then I guess Weissman and I think alike and you must be psychic
because I never posted the deck. I also have never heard of or seen the
deck I designed before I made it.
Al
Aziz
: Sorry guy. In all fairness, I probably know how to play a Turbo Abeyance
: deck 1,000,000 times better than the "Florida State Junior Champion", so I
: guess it follows that I should know that an Anvil of Bogardan is a pile of
: crap in a deck that needs to keep lots of key cards in hand. Go ahead,
: put it out turn two. Now stop playing land or your hand size is going to
: become a big fat nothing within a few turns. Good job. Every control
: deck needs multiple ways to force it to scepter itself every turn and lose
: mana advantage.
Don't be such an asshole. You can easily say what you said here without
being rude. Although I happen to agree that the Anvil is a bit much, you
are wrong about what it does for the deck. How does he lose mana
advantage? He discards an extra card each turn, but also *draws* an extra
card. He breaks even, and gets to his key cards like the all important
Howling Mine faster. It also allows him to set up game winning Gerrard's
Wisdom's for insane amounts. Once again, I wouldn't use them, but your
dissection of their function seems incorrect.
Aziz
rhid...@fiu.edu
In article <33E6D593...@gate.net>,
Oh really Al. So I guess that all that talk about "Yeah I got the idea
from you Rene" was just a figment of my imagination, huh? I mean heck
ANYBODY can take a green deck change some rogue elephants for spectral
bears, add a couple of serrated arrows, and say "Hey I'm so proud of this
deck I designed" And BTW, I believe that the person you responded to was
refering to the juniors deck, not Ren--er I mean Karen's deck. So you got
anything juicy for M/V/W yet Al? Hey maybe this time I can win with your
deck, and then go on the net claiming credit for it's creation? What you
think? Seriously though e-mail me anything you've been working on. Laters
Rene Hidalgo
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I realize that there has been many observations on this deck dealing with
the following issues;
A. It is a Direct copy of Brian Weissman's Deck B. It is a badly done
copy of weissman's deck (or less powerful version) C. The Florida
Regionals was underpowered, thus allowing for this deck to win.
Following are my observations on these posts, and yes, I realize I'm
about to be flamed for saying these, but I have a bad habit of defending
the under dog.
A. It is a Direct copy of Brian Weissman's Deck
I have no previous information from either party as to whose is a rip off
of whose (from the posts it appears weissman's was a rip off of Nate
Clarkes even!) however I can say from experiance in magic, that there is
such thing as divergent evolution, not just in species but in decks as
well,.. neither of these decks were all that inovative,.. if you will
look though they both use an entirely different method of play, though
the cards are very simular. You may say "well, the cards are VERY
simular, must be the same deck" look at weissman's deck,.. I would place
a money bet I can find a deck made before weissman's was ever posted that
was touted as either a Millstone, counterpost, or mill/post deck that has
just as many of the same cards. In my summation I would have to say
neither is very origional, though he probably shouldn't have taken
credit, "To err is human, to forgive devine..."
B. The "chaff" cards he included are the very cards that makes his deck
play completely different from weissman's, the major differences are;
B-A. Anvil's of Bogardan
B-B. Gaea's Blessing
B-C. TONS more counters
and in order
B-A. In the draw heavy environment of the abeyance deck is when anvil is
MOST useful,.. after turn 4-6 you can EASILY be expecting to have to
discard down to 7 every turn, thus the anvil is just another howling
mine, before tht it is not waste because of B. so what if he drops a card
that could be killer in the end game, he can get it back into the deck
any time he needs it.
B-B. This card is insane in the abeyance deck,... think of it as a
demonic tutor with built in card advantage, as quickly as you cycle
through your graveyard with his deck you can expect to draw 1 of the 3
cards you gaesed for every turn,.. the gae's blessing is also how he kept
from running out of cards. and it is NOT a bad paradigm shift,.. it is 10
times better (in my oppinion) you will notice even weissman commented on
how his deck ate counterpost,.. you want to know why? it wasen't cause he
couldn't handle post,. he had 2 caps and 3 political trickeries in
sideboard,.. it was because it was the only tourney viable deck that
could support enough counters to stop his deck,.. against a counter heavy
deck a single card being the key is suicide,.. especially since weissman
only used 6 counters.
B-C. Tons more counters
A VERY solid idea, this makes the deck inherently less susceptible to
counter post, it IS chaff in the early game (something I don't like) but
is great in the end game,.. as chaff in the early game it can easily be
tossed to an anvil, only to be gaeased back 6-7 turns later, when it is
needed. Also, it is good practice simply because 99% of the magic players
in the world are bad permission players, I've been playing permission
since late unlimited/early revised, and I'm still not that good a
permission player,.. however there is that 1%, I would have to say that
Brian Weissman is in that top 1%, he can win a counter war 9 times out of
a ten, with only half as many counters just because he can bluff like
anything.
C. The florida state regionals was underpowered
Yes, it was.
I realize mine is a VERY lengthy post, and I expect to get flamed for
much of the content within but I hope you at least listen to what I have
deranged babbling.
Aziz
: Whatever, guy. This deck is a terrible rip-off of the Turbo Abeyance deck
: played by Brian Weissman, Chris Pantages and Heath Jennings at US
: Nationals, only with an addition of green, too little mana and worthless
: Anvils.
How do you know he copied the deck? I believe he and Al Sousa probably
made the deck without knowing that the deck already existed, or possibly
they made it, (*gasp*) first! The truth is we will never know. I
remember a long argument between several California players over who
invented the Necro-deck. This is similar, but on a smaller scale. The
Abeyance deck did not do well at Nationals.
Even if Andrew and Al did copy the deck (which the almost certainly
didn't), I'd like to point out that that deck was created in many
different forms by many different circles, including the Virginia players.
I realize that you are not necessarily claiming that a certain person
created it, but I believe you should take into account the possiblity that
Andrew and Al have as much right to claim this deck as their own than
anyone else.
Aziz
David J. Low
aaa...@garnet2.acns.fsu.edu (Aziz) writes:
>I remember a long argument between several California players over who
>invented the Necro-deck.
Sort of like arguing over who's going to jump first, isn't it?
"Me! It was me! I should be the one to die!"
"No, you fool, it was my fault. Kill me!"
"You're both wrong, and I can prove it. Give me the gun..."
:-)
>This is similar, but on a smaller scale. The
>Abeyance deck did not do well at Nationals.
Left as an exercise for the reader :-)
Regards,
David (there are some things people just *shouldn't* want to be
credited with....).
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Daniel DuBois
On 6 Aug 1997 03:58:44 GMT, aaa...@garnet2.acns.fsu.edu (Aziz) wrote:
>remember a long argument between several California players over who
>invented the Necro-deck. This is similar, but on a smaller scale. The
Personally, I would be happy if everyone took away form this that they
should never take credit for any deck design, even if you did design it,
because: 1) Someone else almost definately simultanesouly designed a deck
extremely similiar to it, and 2) You look like the 'arrogant ProTour
player' stereotype. It's really just better to be humble.
>Abeyance deck did not do well at Nationals.
What caused it to perform poorly?
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kaosphreak
rhid...@fiu.edu wrote:
>
> In article <33E6D593...@gate.net>,
> dr...@gate.net wrote:
> >
> > Well then I guess Weissman and I think alike and you must be psychic
> > because I never posted the deck. I also have never heard of or seen the
> > deck I designed before I made it.
> >
> > Al
>
> Oh really Al. So I guess that all that talk about "Yeah I got the idea
> from you Rene" was just a figment of my imagination, huh? I mean heck
> ANYBODY can take a green deck change some rogue elephants for spectral
> bears, add a couple of serrated arrows, and say "Hey I'm so proud of this
> deck I designed" And BTW, I believe that the person you responded to was
> refering to the juniors deck, not Ren--er I mean Karen's deck. So you got
> anything juicy for M/V/W yet Al? Hey maybe this time I can win with your
> deck, and then go on the net claiming credit for it's creation? What you
> think? Seriously though e-mail me anything you've been working on. Laters
> Rene Hidalgo
>
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Check this. Nate Clark built this deck a long ass time ago. I talked
with Nate about "The Dick" aka Turbo Abeyance like 3 months ago. Just
so you know. I think Weissman ripped nate, then pacifico ripped
weissman, but whatever.
kaosp...@sprintmail.com
Dan Bridy
Jacqueline L. Healy
kaosphreak <kaosp...@sprintmail.com> wrote in article
<33EB6E...@sprintmail.com>...
Nobody ripped anybody, hundreds of player realized the power of Abeyance,
and quite a few of them made decks similar to Weissman's and Pacifico's.
Only one problem. They don't post on newsgroups, or don't even play many
big tourneys, so they can't take the credit. I knew Abeyance was powerful,
when I first got it the first day they officially came out. At that time I
never thought of playing a deck based around them, I thought they were
great to protect key spells from counters and stop early develop of fast
deck, to get up to the critical 4 'Wrath' Mana. I have now taken a liking
to Turbo Abey and will try my hand at playing it, I will make my own
modifications. It will be original in the sense that I took a successful
deck design and made my own alterations, but I won't be the Sole inventor.
But in reality there is no such thing, and we all know that. It's common
sense, no one can claim to have invented a combo or deck, because anyone
else could have without any knowledge of the other person. Two people I
know are already playing Buried Alive decks, but they don't use the net and
have no idea what other people are doing with it. Does this mean they're
copycats? No. but then again they won't benefit form the knowledge of
other players and their experience with the deck, what kind of strategy.
Or why this card instead of that, etc. Things like Counter Post, Sligh.
SeNor StoMpy, Armor-geddon are all decks that people came up with on their
own. Some people say that the internet destroy some of the surprise and
creativity of the game, especially at the tournament level. What it really
does is speed up the development of the metagame and overall scene at
tourneys. In the end the same things would happen, like Necromania, and
counterpost craziness, they would just take much longer. Without the net,
there wouldn't be such a incredibly large number of players pooled together
to learn from and discuss ideas with each other. As it is, the environment
is very diverse, which makes meta-game guesses not much better than a
coinflip. Right now I believe blue has the upperhand, because of
countering ability. But many decks out there just destroy blue/whatever
decks with sheer speed. Even Earthquakes and Wrath of God don't hurt as
much as they used to. And because the Wizards are jumping everywhichway
with the Type II format, people don't know what to expect. In the past 6-8
months Type II has got through a ton of shit. For like 2 years or so the
environment was barely touched except for a couple new sets going in. Then
Wham! Ice Age and Fallen Empires leaves, then Wham! Homeland is booted and
Visions jumps in, and then Wham! Fifth takes over and Fourth and
Chronicles go bubye (serras, Hyppies, Sengir, Mishra's, a whole ton of
shit), and then Wham! Ice Age and Homelands pop back in (so Wizards can
sell all teh excess stock), along comes WeatherLight at this time to. And
soon. . . EL SUPER WHAMMO! ! Ice Age, Home Lands, AND Alliances, go bye (so
many decks will lose out with the loss of Alliances, it is unreal Thaw,
Forces and all the pitch spell, Outposts and all the special lands, Y Ants,
Shelt Valley, Arcanes (ouch says the blue mage), and most importantly
Phelddagrif (by far the biggest loss for Type II)(you laugh, but I am more
than Half-serious, though not much more). That's almost 700 cards out of
the Type II mix and the Tempest throws in a few hundred and messes everyone
up. Almost every popular decktype is gone with this loss, especially the
blue players who lose 2 good/great counterspells. It is just unreal.
Well, bye now :-)
SwaHealy
Kayvon Ghafarri
> Well then I guess Weissman and I think alike and you must be psychic
> because I never posted the deck. I also have never heard of or seen the
> deck I designed before I made it.
>
> Al
My friends there is no need to argue about who stole what deck idea. A
friend of mine had built very nearly the same deck about two days after he
read abeyance(by the way we call it turbo peace talks because we had
already built the prototype with peace talks). His deck had many
similarities but I have tyo agree to the anvils in the deck. If you have
ever cast Gerrards wisdom to gain twenty life or more you may change your
tune slightly. The anvils also allow you to run through your deck to the
howling mines which you really need, as well as allowing you to hold many
counterspells. Just wanted to put my two cents in defense of the person I
believe invented the original idea, Clayton west.
-Howard
"What shall we do with them Mr. Flibbles? Oh we couldn't do that.....who
would clean up the mess?"
Lord Gimli
Alright man, 1,000,000 times better than who? Andrew Pacifico did not win
the Florida State Championship, no matter how much anyone thinks he should
have... I agree that he probably should have, but he didn't... I don't see
how it got around that he did...
Unknown
d...@cyclone.maths.monash.edu.au (David J. Low) wrote:
>>This is similar, but on a smaller scale. The
>>Abeyance deck did not do well at Nationals.
> Left as an exercise for the reader :-)
> Regards,
> David (there are some things people just *shouldn't* want to be
> credited with....).
Hmmm, isn't there a list of tempest preview names someplace....
We could download it, and cross link it with the list of typical
deck name add on's....
Namely,
TubroX, Xgeddon, CounterX, Xbeatdown, BigX, BabyX, Xswarm, etc...
And then make a single post of how I get credit for every possible
tempest deck even before I've seen a single tempest card.
It reminds me of the car commercial's in Robo-Cop.
Craig