Sleight of Mind / Blue Elemental Blast
scott johns
the first place, so you would indeed be unable to do your combo. The
normal way to pull that type of combo is to lace the card with the
apropriate lace, then use the right blast...
Trent Philip Joseph Schmidt
On 3 Mar 1995, Rajinder Singh Phangureh wrote:
> I was recently playing in my first tournament, and I was doin
> pretty well for awhile, when I decide to counter my opponent's white
> spell by blasting it with an Elemental Blast and Sleight of Minding the
> Elemental Blast to read "white spells"... My opponent thought it was a
> cool combo, but some joe lozer guy butted in and told me I wasn't able to
> do that...
>
As far as I can tell, it is a legal spell. Normally it wouldn't but
because Sleight of Mind works at the speed of an interrupt,that would
mean 'technically' the card _always_ said white. And before I replied to
this I checked a textfile that I downloaded from the Magic ftp site. It
listed all the cards that you could hack or sleight and it was on there.
Just my two cents.
Pablo, the Twisted Druid
jillm
: I was recently playing in my first tournament, and I was doin
: pretty well for awhile, when I decide to counter my opponent's white
: spell by blasting it with an Elemental Blast and Sleight of Minding the
: Elemental Blast to read "white spells"... My opponent thought it was a
: cool combo, but some joe lozer guy butted in and told me I wasn't able to
: do that...
Sleight of Mind Card:
Changes the text of any card being played or already in play by
replacing one color word with another. For example, you can change
:Counter red spells" to "Counters black spells." Sleight
of Mind cannot change mana symbols.
So the card is very clear, you my absolutly play it.
Stephen Lil IV
: I was recently playing in my first tournament, and I was doin
: pretty well for awhile, when I decide to counter my opponent's white
: spell by blasting it with an Elemental Blast and Sleight of Minding the
: Elemental Blast to read "white spells"... My opponent thought it was a
: cool combo, but some joe lozer guy butted in and told me I wasn't able to
: do that...
: His reasoning was that I was not allowed to cast the Elemental
: Blast in the first place, because it specified that it countered red
: cards only... My argument was that I could cast any damn spell I want,
: and there should be no debate as to what I can cast if I cast it at a
: time that I am allowed to... but that the only debate would be whether or
: not it would work, and with the Sleight of Mind, I made it work... I also
: used the argument that in a previous game, I had attempted to counter the
: summoning of a "Jade Statuette" with a Remove Soul card, but my opponent
: told me it wouldn't work since it was an artifact until he made it a
: creature... yet he said that the counter was cast, used, and had to be
: placed in the graveyard and my mana still tapped...
:
: Anyways, back to the subject of the Sleight/Blast combo, a Judge
: was called, and he ruled against me... So my question (finally) of course
: would be... Is my Sleight/Blast combo valid and successful in the manner
: that I cast it as explained in the beginning of my message?
No, you cannot cast Blue Elemental Blast on a while spell and then cast
Sleight of Mind to change the text to "white." This is because a spell
must have a valid target when declared. You could, however, cast a
Chaoslace on the target spell and then cast Blue Elemental Blast to
counter it.
- Steve - sl7...@u.cc.utah.edu
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You absolutely may NOT play it.
In this situation, the Elemental Blast could not have been cast vs the
White spell. In order for the, say REB, to successfully be cast, it must
have a legal target. Unfortunately, the EB can't target the white spell
so it may not be cast.
But, there are situations where you may Sleight a REB or BEB. This is a
defensive use however. Supposee you hold a Sleight in your hand and your
opponent attempts to target your Mahamoti with an REB. You may then
Sleight his REB to read 'Counter target White spell or destroy target
White card.' Then, when the REB resolves, it NO LONGER has a valid
target, so it fizzles.
The key here is having a valid target at casting time vs having a valid
target at resolution time. In the first situation, there is not a valid
target at casting time, so the situation may not occur. In the second
example, the Elem Blast is cast on a valid target, but when it RESOLVES,
the target (via the Sleight) is now invalid, thus Fizzling the Elem Blast.
Rajinder Singh Phangureh
pretty well for awhile, when I decide to counter my opponent's white
spell by blasting it with an Elemental Blast and Sleight of Minding the
Elemental Blast to read "white spells"... My opponent thought it was a
cool combo, but some joe lozer guy butted in and told me I wasn't able to
do that...
His reasoning was that I was not allowed to cast the Elemental
ERIC J THRALL
No, this does not work. Joe Lozer was absolutely right. Any spell cast
must have a legal target. You cannot cast an Elemental Blast (unless
they invent a black elemental blast!) at a white creature. You could
lace the creature, then sleight of mind the lace to change the creature
to the color you can destroy with your elemental blast. The reason an
elemental blast can be sleighted is if you cast a REB at my Air
Elemental, I can sleight your REB to destroy red creatures, at which
point it will fail (unless you then chaoslace my Air Elemental).
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Tom Christiansen
ke...@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Chris Dollin) writes:
:Trent Philip Joseph Schmidt <tps...@duke.usask.ca> writes:
:
: On 3 Mar 1995, Rajinder Singh Phangureh wrote:
:
: > I was recently playing in my first tournament, and I was doin
: > pretty well for awhile, when I decide to counter my opponent's white
: > spell by blasting it with an Elemental Blast and Sleight of Minding the
: > Elemental Blast to read "white spells"... My opponent thought it was a
: > cool combo, but some joe lozer guy butted in and told me I wasn't able to
: > do that...
: >
: As far as I can tell, it is a legal spell. Normally it wouldn't but
: because Sleight of Mind works at the speed of an interrupt,that would
: mean 'technically' the card _always_ said white.
:``Technically'' the card *wasn't* always white. You can't *declare*
:the spell without a legal target, so it's not there to be interrupted.
:
: And before I replied to
: listed all the cards that you could hack or sleight and it was on there.
:I think that's not been updated since some Reversals. Tom? Other Tom?
You are free to Sleight a card with a color word, like an Elemental Blast,
but you may not retarget it. When you cast the BEB, you declared its
valid and legal target. So you can make it fail with a blast, but not
affect a different thing than it normally could (ok, unless it was a
face-down card; please don't ask. :-)
--tom
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Chris Dollin
You could play the Slight, but he can't cast the Blast on a White
target; the Blast requires a Red (or Blue, depending) target.
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Chris Dollin
On 3 Mar 1995, Rajinder Singh Phangureh wrote:
> I was recently playing in my first tournament, and I was doin
> pretty well for awhile, when I decide to counter my opponent's white
> spell by blasting it with an Elemental Blast and Sleight of Minding the
> Elemental Blast to read "white spells"... My opponent thought it was a
> cool combo, but some joe lozer guy butted in and told me I wasn't able to
> do that...
>
As far as I can tell, it is a legal spell. Normally it wouldn't but
because Sleight of Mind works at the speed of an interrupt,that would
mean 'technically' the card _always_ said white.
``Technically'' the card *wasn't* always white. You can't *declare*
the spell without a legal target, so it's not there to be interrupted.
And before I replied to
this I checked a textfile that I downloaded from the Magic ftp site. It
listed all the cards that you could hack or sleight and it was on there.
I think that's not been updated since some Reversals. Tom? Other Tom?
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George W. Bayles
: ``Technically'' the card *wasn't* always white. You can't *declare*
: the spell without a legal target, so it's not there to be interrupted.
: And before I replied to
: this I checked a textfile that I downloaded from the Magic ftp site. It
: listed all the cards that you could hack or sleight and it was on there.
: I think that's not been updated since some Reversals. Tom? Other Tom?
Of course you can Sleight an elemental blast - its just not going to do much
good usually, since it has to have a valid target when announced. But, you
could Sleight your opponents e-blast or respond to the opponents 'lacing
the target.
Hartalen Boarbow
>Subject: Re: Sleight of Mind / Blue Elemental Blast
>Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:14:45 GMT
I used to play this, but the problem is:
To cast the Elemental Blast you need a target. If you later change the text
that target no longer becomes valid, and it fizzles. It is impossible to cast
a REB on a Paladin (it is simply illegal) and to then change it to "destroy
white" is impossible, because you could not have targeted the white card in
the first place. Sorry.
Hartalen Boarbow
"poena non est - dolorum meres."
The Duece
no. You can't cast a spell without a viable target. So you can't go
around shooting off spells into the air. And since the BEB must target a
red creature then you can't cast it. Now if some one cast a REB at your
blue creature you could Slieght that so it would fizzle.
Tarot
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combo *I* think it should work, but don't listen to me. As far as using
the Remove Soul on the Jade Statue, that's totally illegal. It says
"Counters target summon spell" Jade Statue isn't a summon spell. It's
an artifact creature.
johanson eric
Well, listen up Howard, 'cause there's something very important
you must remember about any spell that targets a permanent in play.****
That spell must have a valid target to even leave your hand as a cast spell.
Thus you must target a red permanent with the blue elemental blast first
to cast it. Then if you sleight the blast to some other color, the blast
no longer has a valid target; as the target will still be red and the
blast will target some other color permanent. This results in the blast
fizzling because you can't change targets mid-spell. No matter how you
slice it, the only way to use blue elemental blasts is to either counter
red spells being cast or destroy red permanents in play; or if you're really
desperate, chaoslacing the target first to make it a valid target.****
WKT...@psuvm.psu.edu
WotC to change the rules for us. Apparantly YOU think that you should
be able to cast targeted spells at any time you please whether or not
they have a target... well YOU can go live in your own little world and
play magic by yourself and twist the rules around any way you please.
I can't stand people who think they're so much better than the 'idiots
at WotC who don't know what the rules should be'. 99% of the calls made
by WotC are perfectly fair and usually necessary, to prevent hosing
combos like this one (although this one is not that great... if you're
going to spend 2 mana to counter a spell use a COUNTER SPELL, and you only
have to use ONE CARD) Maybe there will be an option for people like you
on the Magic CD: 'Hit T for the TRUE rules, or L for LAME AND CHEESY
rules that you may twist as you see fit.' WotC makes the game, WotC sells
the cards, WotC makes the rules. It's that simple.
Scott Shaffer
Hey, do you wanna just cool out a minute? I mean come on, the guy
didn't say WotC were idiots or any other slam. He also didn't say he
even played that way. It seems to me like he's saying "I think this
should work, but don't listen to me" because I am often not up on the
latest rules, etc.
Some rulings (not this one involving BEB&SOM) have gone back and forth
from the Rules Team a couple of times, so its not surprising that
somebody might still disagree with WotC, or simply just not fully
comprehend the decision.
Why don't you just relax and try not to be so quick to pound out a
flame. Why not help somebody instead?
Jonathan W Sachsman
Well, you're pretty cool, but not really. Look, I wasn't a previous part
of this thread, but this obnoxious message has forced me to explain
something very simple to you.
Blue elemental blast is an instant. You can target anything you want
with it.
Sleight of Mind is an interrupt. You can interrupt your BEB and sleight
it to destroy any color you freaking well desire.
Then the BEB resolves. (unless your opponent will actually play
some fast effect, instead of whining about how it isn't fair) The BeB
was legal on casting and nothing has happened to make its target go away,
so it lands on the target, presumably of the color you Sleighted your BeB
to, and vaporizes it.
This is not an unbeatable combo, but it is
certainly more useful than a Counterspell when the card you want to
destroy is already on the table.
thanks.
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Kyle Nishioka
: Well, you're pretty cool, but not really. Look, I wasn't a previous part
: something very simple to you.
: Blue elemental blast is an instant. You can target anything you want
: with it.
No its, an interrupt. If it wasn't, it couldn't counter red spells.
: Sleight of Mind is an interrupt. You can interrupt your BEB and sleight
: it to destroy any color you freaking well desire.
: Then the BEB resolves. (unless your opponent will actually play
: some fast effect, instead of whining about how it isn't fair) The BeB
: was legal on casting and nothing has happened to make its target go away,
: so it lands on the target, presumably of the color you Sleighted your BeB
: to, and vaporizes it.
No targetable spell can be cast w/o haveing a valid target. This means
the BEB does not even leave your hand. And since the BEB was never cast,
the Sleight has no target and would also stay in your hand. This combo
is illegal.
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Kyle
nk...@uhunix3.uhcc.hawaii.edu
#include <std_disclaimer.h>
Kenneth William Flynn
|> Blue elemental blast is an instant. You can target anything you want
|> with it.
BEB is an interrupt, actually. I believe it was originally an instant with the unlimited printing, but was changed with revised.
|> Sleight of Mind is an interrupt. You can interrupt your BEB and sleight
|> it to destroy any color you freaking well desire.
|> Then the BEB resolves. (unless your opponent will actually play
|> some fast effect, instead of whining about how it isn't fair) The BeB
|> was legal on casting and nothing has happened to make its target go away,
|> so it lands on the target, presumably of the color you Sleighted your BeB
|> to, and vaporizes it.
I tried casting this combo in a tournament, and was ruled against by the judges, and I believe they were correct. Without a target you cannot cast BEB. You could chaoslace a card to red though, and then cast a BEB, which is somewhat effective. I do agree with you on one point, the poster to whom you replied (article omitted for brevity) was somewhat rude.
|> This is not an unbeatable combo, but it is
|> certainly more useful than a Counterspell when the card you want to
|> destroy is already on the table.
Kenneth W. Flynn
Justin Grochoski
You must target a card of the correct color, interrupt to sleight it, then
fork it to destroy the card you desire.
The original will dissipate however.
You cannot target an illegal target with the elemental blast, whether you intend
to fork it or not.
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David E Gildemeister
Justin Grochoski <groh...@cs.hope.edu> wrote:
>Blue elemental blast is a target spell.
>You must target a card of the correct color, interrupt to sleight it, then
>fork it to destroy the card you desire.
>The original will dissipate however.
BEB is an interrupt. Fork can only target instants or sorceries. Thus,
BEBs cannot be Forked.
>You cannot target an illegal target with the elemental blast, whether you
>intend to fork it or not.
This is, of course, true.
Dave G.
pro...@ods.sol.net
Re: Sleight of Mind used on a BEB.
Wrong.. you cannot target "anything" with a BEB.. When cast, it MUST
HAVE A *LEGAL* TARGET..before it is even sleighted. So its' target HAS
to be a red card. Then if it's sleighted, the target becomes invalid,
and the only thing you have done is COUNTER the BEB with a Sleight of
Mind.
proteus
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