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Pinguino

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Mar 17, 2001, 9:39:51 AM3/17/01
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I'm a bit confused about the protection from .... color rules.

Let's say I attack with a black creature (2-2) that has protection
from white. My opponent blocks with a white creature (2-2) that has
protection from black.

What happens then? Are both creatures killed? Does my opponent take 2
damage?

Thanx in advance!

"confused" Pinguino

Lord Volrath

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Mar 17, 2001, 10:09:21 AM3/17/01
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"Pinguino" <kees...@tip.nl> wrote in message
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> I'm a bit confused about the protection from .... color rules.

OK..

> Let's say I attack with a black creature (2-2) that has protection
> from white. My opponent blocks with a white creature (2-2) that has
> protection from black.

WAIT, this isn't legal. A Prot-White creature CANNOT be blocked by a White
creature at all.
That is part of the protection ability.

> What happens then? Are both creatures killed? Does my opponent take 2
> damage?

This isn't a legal block, but if it did happen somehow, (Probably throgh
Banding or something.) Neither would die, because
Protection prevents all damage from source of that color. Remeber D.E.B..T
D-Damage from <color> is prevented
E-Enchantment: This creature can't be enchanted by <color> encantments.
B-Block: This creature can't be blocked by <color> creatures.
T-Targetting: This creature can't be the target of <color> spells or
Abilities.

So the scenario you provided is normally illegal. because of the blocking
restriction.

Lord Volrath
"I once had an entire race destroyed, just to here the rattling of there
bones as I wadded through them"
Volrath
(Extinction)

Pinguino

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Mar 17, 2001, 10:10:58 AM3/17/01
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Thanx a lot!

"not so confused" Pinguino

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Chuck McMath

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Mar 17, 2001, 10:42:27 AM3/17/01
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Pinguino (kees...@tip.nl) said:

<< I'm a bit confused about the protection from .... color rules.

Let's say I attack with a black creature (2-2) that has protection
from white. My opponent blocks with a white creature (2-2) that has
protection from black.

What happens then? Are both creatures killed? Does my opponent take 2
damage?
>>

There's a handy little abbreviation that helps you remember what protection
does - DEBT. Something with protection from a color can't be:

Damaged by a source of that color
Enchanted by an enchantment of that color
Blocked by a creature of that color
Targeted by a spell or ability of that color

So when your black 2/2 with protection from white attacks, the white creature
with protection from black can't even block it (the "B" part of DEBT). So the
black guy swings for 2, end of story. :)

By the same token, if the white 2/2 with protection from black attacked, the
black guy can't block him either. So each of these guys is sorta living in a
world of his own.... :)

Regards,

chuck


Lord Volrath

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Mar 17, 2001, 4:49:15 PM3/17/01
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Anytime.

Volrath

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Lord Volrath

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Mar 17, 2001, 5:01:47 PM3/17/01
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PS: Also remember that non-targeted, Non-damaging effects WILL affect the
critter, for example, a Wrath of God will destroy a creature with Pro/White,
because it doesn't target OR damage.

Wrath of God
2WW
Sorcery
Destroy all creatures. They can't regenerate.

In WOG's case, the spell isn't TARGETTING (it does'nt use the word "Target")
and it simply kills the critters, end of story.

This is another FAQ about protection.

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David DeLaney

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Mar 18, 2001, 3:58:36 AM3/18/01
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:39:51 +0100, Pinguino <kees...@tip.nl> wrote:
>I'm a bit confused about the protection from .... color rules.

They're actually fairly simple - it's just there's a list of four (4)
specific things that ability does.

A creature with protection from R:
a) has all _damage_ from R sources that would get dealt to it prevented;
b) can't be _enchanted_ by R enchantments;
c) can't be _blocked_ by R creatures;
and
d) can't be the _target_ of R spells, or of abilities from R sources.

That's all it does; in particular, the ability is _not_ "this is totally
unaffected by anything R".

>Let's say I attack with a black creature (2-2) that has protection
>from white. My opponent blocks with a white creature (2-2) that has
>protection from black.

He can't; his white creature can't _block_ a creature that has protection
from white. He's not allowed to pick that creature, as a blocker for that
attacker.

>What happens then? Are both creatures killed? Does my opponent take 2
>damage?

Well, the latter - but it's because that creature can't -block- that
attacker. So if he has no other creatures? He's out of luck, and the attacker
doesn't get blocked, and he gets 2 damage from it.

Now, for a moment? Assume his creature was green, with pro-black. So that
it could block. And assume it did ... and then got changed to be white instead
of green. (This will not 'undo the block' in any way; you only check "Can
this block that?" right as blockers are declared.) Later, each one will
assign its combat damage to the other (because _assigning_ damage isn't
damaging, enchanting, blocking, or targetting anything...). Later still,
that combat damage will try to get dealt ... and will get prevented,
in both places - because each has "Prevent all damage to me from <black/white>
sources", and for each one the other's the appropriate color now.

Dave
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Jeff Vondruska

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Mar 18, 2001, 1:08:13 PM3/18/01
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> I'm a bit confused about the protection from .... color rules.
>
> Let's say I attack with a black creature (2-2) that has protection
> from white. My opponent blocks with a white creature (2-2) that has
> protection from black.

Not possible. Your prot-white creature _cannot_ be blocked by white
creatures. Your opponent's block is therefore illegal, even though the white
creature has prot-black.

> What happens then? Are both creatures killed? Does my opponent take 2
> damage?

If no other creatures are available to block, your opponent will take two
damage, because the white creature can't block your prot-white creature.

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Jeff Vondruska


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