Steam Vines and Enchantment Alteration
B M
then I respond with Enchantment Alteration and move the enchantment to a
different land of his, what happens with the Steam Vines' triggered
ability resolves? Does the original land get destroyed, or does the
newly enchanted land get destroyed?
CardName: Steam Vines
Cost: 1RR
Type: Enchantment - Aura
Rules Text: Enchant land When enchanted land becomes tapped, destroy it
and Steam Vines deals 1 damage to that land's controller. That player
attaches Steam Vines to a land of his or her choice.
Set/Rarity: Odyssey Uncommon
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CardName: Enchantment Alteration
Cost: U
Type: Instant
Rules Text: Attach target Aura attached to a creature or land to another
permanent of that type.
Set/Rarity: Urza's Saga Uncommon, Chronicles Uncommon, Legends Common
--Brent M
David DeLaney
>If I've enchanted my opponent's land with Steam Vines and he taps it,
>then I respond with Enchantment Alteration and move the enchantment to a
>different land of his, what happens with the Steam Vines' triggered
>ability resolves? Does the original land get destroyed, or does the
>newly enchanted land get destroyed?
>Steam Vines 1RR Enchantment - Aura
>Enchant land When enchanted land becomes tapped, destroy it
>and Steam Vines deals 1 damage to that land's controller. That player
>attaches Steam Vines to a land of his or her choice.
The 'destroy it' refers back to "enchanted land" in the trigger condition,
so moving the Steam Vines in response doesn't change which land gets destroyed:
the one that got tapped to trigger the ability. It also doesn't change who
gets the damage dealt to them or who gets to reattach the Steam Vines.
So the original land gets destroyed, and that land's controller attaches
Steam Vines to a (second) new land. Basically, you wasted your Enchantment
Alteration (since it resolved before the Steam Vines triggered ability did).
If Steam Vines read "When enchanted land becomes tapped, destroy enchanted
land and..." then it would re-look for what 'enchanted land' was on resolution.
But it doesn't say that. (There was a kerfluffle about the differences between
these two kinds of wording several years ago, and since then they've paid
more attention to what information they want to have checked when for stuff
that asks about "enchanted Foo".)
Dave
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B M
Ok. That answers my core question which was sort of "when does an
ability look at what it's enchanting *now* versus what it was enchanting
when it *trigggered*."
--Brent M
Zoe Stephenson
> If I've enchanted my opponent's land with Steam Vines and he taps it,
Steam Vines {1}{R}{R} Enchantment - Aura
/ Enchant land
/ When enchanted land becomes tapped, destroy it and Steam Vines deals
1 damage to that land's controller. That player attaches Steam Vines
to a land of his or her choice.
413.2h If an ability's effect refers to a specific untargeted object
that has been previously referred to by that ability's cost or
trigger condition, it still affects that object [even if the object
has changed characteristics.]
Glossary: Attach
[...]
Attaching an Aura in play to a different object causes the Aura to
receive a new timestamp. Nothing else about the Aura changes. The
Aura never left play, so no comes-into-play or leaves-play triggered
abilities will trigger. If an ability of the moved Aura affecting
"enchanted [object]" was on the stack when the Aura moved, it will
affect the new enchanted object when it resolves, not the old one.
The same is true for moved Equipment and Fortifications.
> then I respond with Enchantment Alteration and move the enchantment to a
> different land of his,
Enchantment Alteration {U} Instant
/ Attach target Aura attached to a creature or land to another
permanent of that type.
> what happens with the Steam Vines' triggered
> ability resolves? Does the original land get destroyed, or does the
> newly enchanted land get destroyed?
Ordinarily, when an ability refers to "enchanted <whatever>", it means
whatever it's currently enchanting. However, when a triggered ability
refers to "enchanted <whatever>" in its trigger event and the effect
later refers to an object involved in the event that triggered the
ability, it still refers to what was enchanted at the time the ability
triggers.
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David DeLaney
>Ordinarily, when an ability refers to "enchanted <whatever>", it means
>whatever it's currently enchanting. However, when a triggered ability
>refers to "enchanted <whatever>" in its trigger event and the effect
>later refers to an object involved in the event that triggered the
>ability, it still refers to what was enchanted at the time the ability
>triggers.
Another way to look at it is that if the text's using "it" or "that creature"
or "the enchantment", or the like, it's referring back to some previous
mention of whatever-it-is... and in particular is referring back to the SAME
previous whatever-it-is that it was referring to before, even if circumstances
have currently changed and evaluating that whatever-it-is right _now_ would
have given a different answer. (Thus the difference between "enchanted creature
... enchanted creature" and "enchanted creature ... it" here...)