Question: 'you' in card text
king-...@noreply.net
I have a quick (prob. very stupid) question:
when a card's text refers to 'you', for example
CoP : White, does the 'you' refer to the card's
owner (let's assume I cast it & control it) AND
any creatures that player owns? Or just the card's
owner alone?
In other words, can I use the CoP : (color) ability
to prevent damage to one of my creatures, as well as
loss of my own life points?
Thanks in advance, sorry, but my address has been
forged to thwart spammers. Please post answers here.
Jakob13
>when a card's text refers to 'you', for example
>CoP : White, does the 'you' refer to the card's
>owner (let's assume I cast it & control it) AND
>any creatures that player owns? Or just the card's
>owner alone?
damn thats a good question, i've never even thought about that. I would say it
means your creatures also, but anybody that knows better please educate me 2.
-- J
Dan Johnson
In article <68hb4j$5...@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
<king-...@noreply.net> wrote:
>when a card's text refers to 'you', for example
>CoP : White, does the 'you' refer to the card's
>owner (let's assume I cast it & control it) AND
>any creatures that player owns? Or just the card's
>owner alone?
"Whenever card text says 'you' or 'your' or speaks in the imperative, it's
referring to the card's controller." [5E15] Your creatures would not be
controlling the card in question, so they would not be included in "you".
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Ingo Kemper
On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:05:21 -0800, king-...@noreply.net wrote:
>when a card's text refers to 'you', for example
>CoP : White, does the 'you' refer to the card's
>owner (let's assume I cast it & control it) AND
>any creatures that player owns? Or just the card's
>owner alone?
It's the controller of the card, but only that player. A CoP may not
be used to prevent damage dealt to a creature.
>In other words, can I use the CoP : (color) ability
>to prevent damage to one of my creatures, as well as
>loss of my own life points?
CoPs cannot be used to prevent loss of life; only damage (and only
damage dealt to the _controller_) can be prevented.
Ingo Kemper
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David DeLaney
king-...@noreply.net writes:
>when a card's text refers to 'you', for example
>CoP : White, does the 'you' refer to the card's
>owner (let's assume I cast it & control it) AND
>any creatures that player owns? Or just the card's owner alone?
Neither, actually.
It refers to the card's _controller_.
>In other words, can I use the CoP : (color) ability
>to prevent damage to one of my creatures, as well as
>loss of my own life points?
No, you cannot; you can only use it to prevent damage to you.
If your opponent cast Steal Enchantment, from Tempest, on your Circle,
then _he_ becomes its controller, and _he_ can now use its ability to
prevent damage to _him_ ... and you no longer can.
Dave
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Mike Marcelais
king-...@noreply.net wrote in article
<68hb4j$5...@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
> I have a quick (prob. very stupid) question:
>
> when a card's text refers to 'you', for example
> CoP : White, does the 'you' refer to the card's
> owner (let's assume I cast it & control it) AND
> any creatures that player owns? Or just the card's
> owner alone?
If the "you" is part of the effect of an ability, it refers to the controller
of the ability (ie, the player who "played" it). Otherwise, it refers to the
controller of the permanent. [Note that these are almost always the same
person since most abilities can only be played by their controller]
For CoP's the "you" will be the player that activated the ability, which is
always the controller of the enchantment.
"You" never refers to your creatures. It also never refers to the card's
owner. [You own the card if it started in your deck. You control it if it is
in play on your side.]
>
> In other words, can I use the CoP : (color) ability
> to prevent damage to one of my creatures, as well as
> loss of my own life points?
It can only prevent damage to you.
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Chris Rosenquist
I think Circle of Protection means that you choose a white source (i.e.
a white creature) and that card cannot deal any damge to any of your
creatures and/or to your life points.
Ingo Warnke
Chris Rosenquist (sac3...@saclink1.csus.edu) wrote:
: I think Circle of Protection means that you choose a white source (i.e.
: a white creature) and that card cannot deal any damge to any of your
: creatures and/or to your life points.
You misinterpret the Circle of Protection.
First, it can only protect *you*, the player, *not* your creatures.
Second, you don't choose anything when you cast the CoP. If it is
a CoP: Red, it just sits there waiting for some red source dealing damage
to you. This can be a creature (during the attack), a spell (Fireball), the
ability of a card (Goblin Bombardement) etc. If this red source assigns
damage to you, you can prevent that damage by paying 1 colorless mana
to the CoP.
Ingo Warnke
Warrl kyree Tale'sedrin
Chris Rosenquist wrote in rec.games.trading-cards.magic.rules:
>I think Circle of Protection means that you choose a white source (i.e.
>a white creature) and that card cannot deal any damge to any of your
>creatures and/or to your life points.
The Circle of Protection says absolutely nothing about protecting your
creatures.
It can be invoked in damage prevention when damage is assigned *to*
*you*. Feed it *one* mana (two for CoP:Artifact) and select *one*
source (of the appropriate color) that currently is trying to damage
you. The damage that this *one* source is doing to you at the moment,
is prevented. If the same source previously damaged you, that
previous damage is unaffected. If it assigns damage to you again
later in the same turn, you will have to again choose to feed your CoP
or take the damage.
And yes, you can feed the CoP mana to prevent damage from one source,
and then immediately feed it again to prevent damage from another
source, all in the same damage prevention step. But, technically, you
CANNOT feed it two mana to prevent damage from two sources -- you pay
it one mana to prevent damage from one source, twice.
>
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>
> You misinterpret the Circle of Protection.
> First, it can only protect *you*, the player, *not* your creatures.
> Second, you don't choose anything when you cast the CoP. If it is
> a CoP: Red, it just sits there waiting for some red source dealing damage
> to you. This can be a creature (during the attack), a spell (Fireball), the
> ability of a card (Goblin Bombardement) etc. If this red source assigns
> damage to you, you can prevent that damage by paying 1 colorless mana
> to the CoP.
>
If a black creature with Firebreathing on it damages someone with
some red mana pumped into the firebreathing, is this considered red or
black damage?
If a black creature with Fire Whip taps to damage something, what
color is this damage?
What if a black creature with Giant Strength on it hits something,
what color is this damage (black of course, but why any different from
above situations isn't quite so clear to me).
Craig
Ingo Kemper
> If a black creature with Firebreathing on it damages someone with
>some red mana pumped into the firebreathing, is this considered red or
>black damage?
Black damage. Firebreathing didn't deal any damage, it just increased
the stats of the enchanted creature which in turn dealt the damage.
> If a black creature with Fire Whip taps to damage something, what
>color is this damage?
Black. (The current errata make this more clear - Fire Whip should
read "Enchanted creature gains 'T: This creature deals 1 damage to
target creature or player'.".)
> What if a black creature with Giant Strength on it hits something,
>what color is this damage (black of course, but why any different from
>above situations isn't quite so clear to me).
It's not different. The damage is black, just like above.
Mike Marcelais
> If a black creature with Firebreathing on it damages someone with
>some red mana pumped into the firebreathing, is this considered red or
>black damage?
>
>color is this damage?
Black damage. Firebreathing does not deal any damage, it just increases the
power of the creature. If that creature then happens to deal damage in
combat, the creature deals damage equal to its power. All of the damage is
from the creature, so it is all black.
>
> What if a black creature with Giant Strength on it hits something,
>what color is this damage (black of course, but why any different from
>above situations isn't quite so clear to me).
Same answer as above -- the Giant Strength just increases the creature's
power. The creature is the one dealing all of the damage.
David DeLaney
Craig Bertolucci <bert...@chuma.cas.usf.edu> writes:
>> You misinterpret the Circle of Protection.
>> First, it can only protect *you*, the player, *not* your creatures.
>> Second, you don't choose anything when you cast the CoP. If it is
>> a CoP: Red, it just sits there waiting for some red source dealing damage
>> to you. This can be a creature (during the attack), a spell (Fireball), the
>> ability of a card (Goblin Bombardement) etc. If this red source assigns
>> damage to you, you can prevent that damage by paying 1 colorless mana
>> to the CoP.
>
>some red mana pumped into the firebreathing, is this considered red or
>black damage?
This is black damage, since it is from a black source, the black creature.
The black creature is being affected by a red effect, which gives it a
boost to its power. This does not make the black creature into a red
creature, nor does it make the black creature's power "partly red". The
source of the damage is the creature, and the creature is a black card.
> If a black creature with Fire Whip taps to damage something, what
>color is this damage?
Black, since Fire Whip, by Errata, gives an ability to the creature.
[As worded the card would produce red damage. This was fairly confusing
in some cases, hence the Errata.]
> What if a black creature with Giant Strength on it hits something,
>what color is this damage (black of course, but why any different from
>above situations isn't quite so clear to me).
Black, of course. And it doesn't differ from the above situations, except
that the second one [Fire Whip] is not _combat_ damage.