Obscure, but it could be amusing
Colin Gordon
Just want to check that I've got this right...
I have Grave Pact and Field of Souls in play, along with five creatures.
During my turn I cast Living Death. Both players set aside all the
creatures in their graveyards, and put all the creatures currently in play
into their graveyards. Then we take the set aside creatures and pop them on
the table.
My understanding is, then my opponent must sacrifice a creature for each of
my creatures that was buried by Living Death, and I get to put a token in
play for each of my non-token creatures that was buried.
If we take this one step further into obscurity, and say that one of my
creatures in the graveyard was a Mogg Bomber, I assume that as the MB is in
play when the Field of Souls resolves, I would also do three points of
damage for each token I put in play (not to mention making my opponent sac
another creature as the bomber hits the graveyard, and adding one more token
to my army).
I know it's unlikely, but I just want to be sure I have the rules
understanding down. Triggered effects happen after spells resolve, and if
more than one occurs, then as the phasing player I get to choose their order
of resolution.
Thanks....
Colin.
Ingo Kemper
>Just want to check that I've got this right...
>
>I have Grave Pact and Field of Souls in play, along with five creatures.
>During my turn I cast Living Death. Both players set aside all the
>creatures in their graveyards, and put all the creatures currently in play
>into their graveyards. Then we take the set aside creatures and pop them on
>the table.
>
>My understanding is, then my opponent must sacrifice a creature for each of
>my creatures that was buried by Living Death,
Yes, but he/she has to do so at the second "then" in Living Death's
card text. At that time he/she has no creatures in play, so your
opponent can ignore Grave Pact's triggered effect.
> and I get to put a token in
>play for each of my non-token creatures that was buried.
Yes.
>If we take this one step further into obscurity, and say that one of my
>creatures in the graveyard was a Mogg Bomber, I assume that as the MB is in
>play when the Field of Souls resolves,
No, it's not. Field of Souls also triggers on creatures being put into
the graveyard from play, so it's played in the series of triggered
effects at the second "then".
> I would also do three points of
>damage for each token I put in play (not to mention making my opponent sac
>another creature as the bomber hits the graveyard, and adding one more token
>to my army).
The Mogg Bomber's ability won't trigger as a result of Living Death.
It comes into play simultaneously with all other creatures, so it's
ability won't be triggered. (The goblin needs to be already in play in
order to "see" a creature coming into play.)
>I know it's unlikely, but I just want to be sure I have the rules
>understanding down. Triggered effects happen after spells resolve,
... or at a "then" in the card text,
>and if more than one occurs, then as the phasing player I get to
>choose their order of resolution.
No, you only get to choose the order of your own triggered effects.
First the active player plays all his/her triggered spells and
abilities, in any order he/she chooses, then the inactive player does
the same.
Ingo Kemper
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Colin Gordon
Thanks for the clarification - I totally spaced on the 'then' part.....
Guess I'll have to come up with an even more obscure combo next time...
Colin.
Ingo Kemper wrote in message <6hnvtl$1b...@majestix.uni-muenster.de>...
Balog Pal
Colin Gordon <cgo...@bossgame.com> wrote
> I have Grave Pact and Field of Souls in play, along with five creatures.
> During my turn I cast Living Death.
(1) Set aside all creature cards in all graveyards. Then, (2) put each
creature that is in play into its owner's graveyard. Then, (3) put each
creature card set aside in this way into play under its owner's control.
This mean you play 3 events:
> Both players set aside all the creatures in their graveyards,
That is event 1, after that you check rules (Lurgoyf and Revenant will
die), and triggers.
> and put all the creatures currently in play into their graveyards.
That is event 2. It will set a bunch of triggers: 5 FS and 5 GP. You play
them right after the creatures are placed in the graveyard. Basicly you'll
get 5 tokens right then and your opponent have nothing to sacrifice.
> Then we take the set aside creatures and pop them on
> the table.
Yes.
> My understanding is, then my opponent must sacrifice a creature for each
of
> my creatures that was buried by Living Death,
No.
> and I get to put a token in
> play for each of my non-token creatures that was buried.
Yes.
> If we take this one step further into obscurity, and say that one of my
> creatures in the graveyard was a Mogg Bomber, I assume that as the MB is
in
> play when the Field of Souls resolves,
No, he well appear in the last step together with all other creatures, so
it will not trigger at all.
Paul
Jim Hamp
On 23 Apr 1998, Balog Pal wrote:
> Colin Gordon <cgo...@bossgame.com> wrote
>
> > I have Grave Pact and Field of Souls in play, along with five creatures.
> > During my turn I cast Living Death.
>
> (1) Set aside all creature cards in all graveyards. Then, (2) put each
> creature that is in play into its owner's graveyard. Then, (3) put each
> creature card set aside in this way into play under its owner's control.
>
> This mean you play 3 events:
>
> > Both players set aside all the creatures in their graveyards,
>
> That is event 1, after that you check rules (Lurgoyf and Revenant will
> die), and triggers.
>
Better check the 'goyf again, I think it's */*+1. So it'll go to 0/1.
Jim Hamp