Can a blocking Tim still poke?
fl...@ix.netcom.com
to do a 1 point poke, and then do a second point for power during
damage resolution to kill the 2/2 attacker?
Stephan Feinen
No, you cannot eat the cake and still have it 8-)
If a blocking creature taps to use a special ability it won't deal
any damage anymore (but still receive it). So your Tim will poke
the creature for one point of damage, receive two points of damage
and die...
General Rule: A tapped blocker doesn't deal its damage but it will
receive damage dealt by the attacker.
regards
stephan
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Cpaths
>FROM: fl...@ix.netcom.com
>
>If Tim is blocking a 2/2 creature, can he tap before damage resolution
>to do a 1 point poke, and then do a second point for power during
>damage resolution to kill the 2/2 attacker?
>
No. Tim does th first point. At damafw dealing time, since he is tapped,
he does not do the second point. You can pull this off if you have another
way to untap him after the first point of damage, such as Jandor's
saddlebags.
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Mike Marcelais
| If Tim is blocking a 2/2 creature, can he tap before damage resolution
| to do a 1 point poke, and then do a second point for power during
| damage resolution to kill the 2/2 attacker?
Nope. Blocking creatures which are tapped during `damage dealing' deal
no damage in combat.
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Martin Jamieson
>If Tim is blocking a 2/2 creature, can he tap before damage resolution
>to do a 1 point poke, and then do a second point for power during
>damage resolution to kill the 2/2 attacker?
>
If a blocking creature becomes tapped before damage resolution then he
does no damage during combat (although he still receives damage), thus if
you tapped tim to do his poke, then it would still result in tim only
doing 1 damage all up (so tim dies and the 2/2 creature is pretty happy).
Martin
Scott D Bradburn
|> >DATE: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:39:09 GMT
|> >FROM: fl...@ix.netcom.com
|> >
|> >to do a 1 point poke, and then do a second point for power during
|> >damage resolution to kill the 2/2 attacker?
|> >
|>
|> he does not do the second point. You can pull this off if you have another
|> way to untap him after the first point of damage, such as Jandor's
|> saddlebags.
But that would then be really silly since Tim won't have to block he can just
tap again to shoot the guy.
J S Pluim
>fl...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>If Tim is blocking a 2/2 creature, can he tap before damage resolution
>>to do a 1 point poke, and then do a second point for power during
>>damage resolution to kill the 2/2 attacker?
>>
>
>does no damage during combat (although he still receives damage), thus if
>you tapped tim to do his poke, then it would still result in tim only
>doing 1 damage all up (so tim dies and the 2/2 creature is pretty happy).
>
Yes, but you can block with Tim, let him deal 1 point of damage,
and before the damage resolution step tap him to deal another
point of damage. Both die.
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Stephan Feinen
>>If a blocking creature becomes tapped before damage resolution then he
>>does no damage during combat (although he still receives damage), thus if
>>you tapped tim to do his poke, then it would still result in tim only
>>doing 1 damage all up (so tim dies and the 2/2 creature is pretty happy).
>>
>Yes, but you can block with Tim, let him deal 1 point of damage,
>and before the damage resolution step tap him to deal another
>point of damage. Both die.
Oops, I don't think that's correct. If you use Tim before damage resolution,
he will become tapped and won't deal any damage (and will die). If you
wait until damage resolution he will deal his one point of damage and get
his packet of 2 damage. Since after this only d/p effects/spells are allowed
he will be unable to poke before he dies.
According to the General Rulings Summary (attack phase rules 6. c-d) there is
no way to let Tim do more than one point of damage in this situation.
Note that this is different to a Samite Healer who can indeed prevent one
point of damage after damage dealing since his effect is a d/p-effect.
J. Andrew Lipscomb
> If Tim is blocking a 2/2 creature, can he tap before damage resolution
> to do a 1 point poke, and then do a second point for power during
> damage resolution to kill the 2/2 attacker?
No. Tapped blockers can't deal damage. If you can Twiddle him after
poking, it works, but then you're better off just poking him again.
J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com>
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Mark Phaedrus
<j.s....@student.utwente.nl> wrote:
> Martin Jamieson <mm32...@minmet.uq.oz.au> wrote:
> >If a blocking creature becomes tapped before damage resolution then he
> >does no damage during combat (although he still receives damage), thus if
> >you tapped tim to do his poke, then it would still result in tim only
> >doing 1 damage all up (so tim dies and the 2/2 creature is pretty happy).
> Yes, but you can block with Tim, let him deal 1 point of damage,
> and before the damage resolution step tap him to deal another
> point of damage. Both die.
Nope, nope, nope. Check the rules on the attack sequence again.
Spells and effects are not legal during the "deal damage" step; and the
only things that are legal during the damage prevention step are
interrupts and damage prevention effects/redirection effects/lucky
charms. Tim's poke doesn't qualify as any of the above, so it can't be
used then either. If you wait to use Tim's poke until damage is dealt,
you can't use it until the attack is over, and by that time Tim would be
dead in this example.
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Chris Dollin
If Tim is blocking a 2/2 creature, can he tap before damage resolution
to do a 1 point poke,
Yes.
and then do a second point for power during
damage resolution to kill the 2/2 attacker?
No. Tapped blockers do not deal damage, although they receive it. (I
don't remember off-hand what happens if they regenerate.)
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Michael Smith
: >>If Tim is blocking a 2/2 creature, can he tap before damage resolution
: >>to do a 1 point poke, and then do a second point for power during
: >>damage resolution to kill the 2/2 attacker?
: >
: >If a blocking creature becomes tapped before damage resolution then he
: >you tapped tim to do his poke, then it would still result in tim only
: >doing 1 damage all up (so tim dies and the 2/2 creature is pretty happy).
: >
: Yes, but you can block with Tim, let him deal 1 point of damage,
: and before the damage resolution step tap him to deal another
: point of damage. Both die.
: Baz.
NO, you can't. After damage resolution, all that is allowed is damage
prevention and regeneration. Tim is no longer valid to poke.
You can only do one or the other.
Cpaths
>FROM: Mark Phaedrus <phae...@halcyon.com>
>
>> Martin Jamieson <mm32...@minmet.uq.oz.au> wrote:
>> >If a blocking creature becomes tapped before damage resolution then he
>> >does no damage during combat (although he still receives damage), thus if
>> >you tapped tim to do his poke, then it would still result in tim only
>> >doing 1 damage all up (so tim dies and the 2/2 creature is pretty happy).
>
>> Yes, but you can block with Tim, let him deal 1 point of damage,
>> and before the damage resolution step tap him to deal another
>> point of damage. Both die.
>
>Spells and effects are not legal during the "deal damage" step; and the
>only things that are legal during the damage prevention step are
>interrupts and damage prevention effects/redirection effects/lucky
>charms. Tim's poke doesn't qualify as any of the above, so it can't be
>used then either. If you wait to use Tim's poke until damage is dealt,
>you can't use it until the attack is over, and by that time Tim would be
>dead in this example.
>
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One more bit of clarification: the original writer said:
>> Yes, but you can block with Tim, let him deal 1 point of damage,
>> and before the damage resolution step tap him to deal another
>> point of damage...
The writer's idea was that Tim did COMBAT damage BEFORE the damage
resolution step. But combat damage is dealt DURING the combat damage step,
and then, as Mark says, there is no fast effects phase when the
Timming ability can be used.
ReluctantMessiah
>
>Yes, but you can block with Tim, let him deal 1 point of damage,
>and before the damage resolution step tap him to deal another
>point of damage. Both die.
You can't use fast effects (Tim's ability in this case) once you enter
the damage dealing phase (of which damage prevention is a sub-phase). So
this won't work.
-jc
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