When the score is a possible 0 - 0
Francisco Delgado
My brother and I were playing and the score is 3-2 my favor. He attacks
me with a flyer and a regular creature which both is 2/2. I was able to
block his regular creature, but not his flyer, so at this point, I have 0
life. My brother fails to use his mana source and I think at this point
(He didnt tap a R or U.) I say that the game is over when his turn is
over, which counts the mana burn and both score would have been 0 - 0.
But, my brother says that I'm wrong because the game is over when my life
is down to 0 first. Who's right?
Warmest Regards,
Franky
Maarten van Beek
Well, you can only lose because of zero or less ,life at the end of a
phase, or the beginnign or end of an attack. So if you were brougth down
to 0 or less life during the attack, you would lose at the end of the
attack.
Your opponent does _not_ get mana burn if he does not use a mana source.
You are perfectly allowed not to use mana sources. But if you _do_ use a
mana source (i.e., you tap a land for mana), then you _have_ to use that
mana on a spell ability, or something else, or you will get mana burn.
If your opponent indeed got 3 mana burn, because of mana left in his
mana ppol, you would both lose at the same time, and the game would be a
draw.
Maarten van Beek
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David DeLaney
>I have a situation that needs clearing up.
>
>My brother and I were playing and the score is 3-2 my favor. He attacks
>me with a flyer and a regular creature which both is 2/2. I was able to
>block his regular creature, but not his flyer, so at this point, I have 0
>life. My brother fails to use his mana source and I think at this point
>(He didnt tap a R or U.) I say that the game is over when his turn is
>over, which counts the mana burn and both score would have been 0 - 0.
Well, not at end of turn. At end of attack. [Player death is checked for
right after each time mana burn is checked for: at end of every phase,
at start of any attack, at end of any attack.]
>But, my brother says that I'm wrong because the game is over when my life
>is down to 0 first. Who's right?
You are; he's not. Player Death is _not_ checked for all the time; you
took combat damage putting you to zero, but the attack step wasn't over
yet, so you didn't die right then. The end of the attack happened; all
stuff that said "At end of combat do this" was done; then your brother
took manaburn from the mana remaining in his pool [and you didn't because
you didn't have unspent mana]; then the game checked to see if any players
were at 0 life or less. _Both_ of you were at that point ... so the game
was a draw.
Dave
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Ingo Kemper
<cc...@freenet.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>I have a situation that needs clearing up.
>
>My brother and I were playing and the score is 3-2 my favor. He attacks
>me with a flyer and a regular creature which both is 2/2. I was able to
>block his regular creature, but not his flyer, so at this point, I have 0
>life. My brother fails to use his mana source and I think at this point
>(He didnt tap a R or U.) I say that the game is over when his turn is
>over, which counts the mana burn and both score would have been 0 - 0.
>But, my brother says that I'm wrong because the game is over when my life
>is down to 0 first. Who's right?
Players' life totals aren't checked until the end of the current phase
(or the beginning or end of an attack, whichever comes first),
directly after mana burn occurred. If your opponent really got mana
burned and you were both at 0 or less life, the game indeed ended in a
draw.
Note, however, that mana burn is caused only by mana in your pool. Not
using a mana source doesn't cause mana burn - on the contrary: you'll
get mana burned if you _do_ use a mana source but don't spend the
mana. For example, leaving an island and a mountain untapped won't
cause mana burn. In order to get mana burned, your brother would have
had to tap these two lands in order to add mana to his mana pool, then
decline to spend that mana.
Ingo Kemper
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